[03:29] <shirish> guys I'm on the launchpad user's list launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com. I tried to send a mail but it came back saying postmaster@att.blackberry.net has not been delivered to the recipient's BlackBerry Handheld.
[03:29] <shirish> The returned error status is <DB_USER_SUSPENDED_MODE>
[03:29] <shirish> Can somebody set it up right, thanx
[03:31] <lifeless> shirish: that is almost certainly another subscriber
[03:31] <lifeless> shirish: *they* have a problem, not the list.
[03:31] <shirish> lifeless: then why did it came to me with that e-mail address?
[03:32] <lifeless> shirish: because your mail gets forward to some number of people. and if their mail servers have trouble the error is routed back to you
[03:33] <shirish> lifeless: aha, ok then its a non-issue, sorry for the trouble. 
[03:33] <lifeless> its meant to go back to the list server software, but some folk have badly configured mail gateways.
[03:33] <lifeless> and it sounds like at&t are one of them :)
[03:40] <shirish> lifeless: ok, thanx for ur time, back to mundane life existence :)
[04:16] <ScottK> Anyone available to help sort out apparent soyuz oddities?
[04:16] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12048829/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.kdebase_4%3A3.5.9-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz claims missing depends that aren't missing.
[04:17] <lifeless> main vs universe perhaps ?
[04:17] <ScottK> That's it.  Thanks.
[04:18] <ScottK> Argh.
[06:08] <mithro> HI! The launchpad timeout error page is crashing epiphany (when I'm trying to log a bug about epiphany)
[06:28] <mithro> is launchpad having problems? I can't seem to see any bugs
[06:35] <jamesh> mithro: use another browser temporarily?
[06:35] <jamesh> mithro: Launchpad shouldn't be doing anything funky
[06:59] <Bronger> Launchpad can scan external pages for new downloads available.  I don't know the required format of the external site, however.  Do you think it will work with http://download.origo.ethz.ch/origo/
[07:29] <jamesh> Bronger: it should.  The main thing that trips it up for HTTP sites is when the admin has disallowed directory listings
[07:37] <jamesh> Bronger: make sure your tarball pattern only matches the source tarballs though
[07:58] <carlos_> morning
[07:59] <mdke> morning carlos 
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #192839 in launchpad "Attachments should show and edit/delete link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192839
[08:42] <poolie> any ppa hackers here?
[08:45] <poolie> why is there such a long delay between getting an "accepted" mail and seeing a build record - at least a "needs to build" record?
[08:47] <Fujitsu> poolie: The cron job that creates the build records runs hourly, and takes about 40 minutes to complete. I believe it is being worked on.
[08:48] <poolie> wow
[08:48] <poolie> ok, thanks 
[08:48] <Fujitsu> I heard at one stage that is was going to be more event-driven, with build records created at upload time.
[08:49] <poolie> i'd assumed that was how it worked
[09:40] <geser> Fujitsu: did you contact somebody about archive.u.c being out-of-date?
[09:44] <Fujitsu> geser: The sysadmins have been poked a few times by a number of people, without response.
[09:50] <geser> Fujitsu: cjwatson seems to be working on it (if I guessed the context on #ubuntu-devel correct)
[09:57] <Fujitsu> geser: Looks about right.
[11:10] <frenchy> Hi all, how do I delete ~vcs-imports/me-tv/trunk and associated branch lp:me-tv/deleted?
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #192885 in malone "firefox keeps crushing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192885
[11:31] <soren> *g*
[11:32] <kiko> frenchy, are there subscribers, and are the branches linked to a bug?
[11:34] <frenchy> kiko: No subscribers and no open bugs.
[11:34] <kiko> frenchy, then click delete branch.
[11:35] <frenchy> kiko: That's what I read, but the link is not there.  Does that mean that something it still attached?
[11:35] <frenchy> *is
[11:35] <kiko> frenchy, are the branches tied to project series? that could be it. just so you know, launchpad's next release will offer you better indication of what's wrong.
[11:36] <frenchy> kiko: Thanks. Yes, it's my old trunk from SVN before I switched to bzr.
[11:37] <kiko> frenchy, ah, what's the project name?
[11:37] <frenchy> Me TV (me-tv)
[11:38] <frenchy> kiko: I've renamed it to "deleted"
[11:38] <kiko> lessee
[11:39] <kiko> frenchy, what you need to do is to visit https://edge.launchpad.net/me-tv/stable and https://edge.launchpad.net/me-tv/unstable and unlink the branches there
[11:39] <frenchy> kiko: Huh?  Was that aimed at me?
[11:40] <kiko> https://edge.launchpad.net/me-tv/deleted
[11:40] <kiko> etc
[11:40] <kiko> you unlink the branches by doing Edit source, btw
[11:40] <kiko> it's a bit arcane
[11:40] <kiko> just keep asking :)
[11:40] <frenchy> kiko: Ta, I'll have a look.  Thanks!
[11:47] <lar2> Hi, newbie asking...I tried the Launcpad FAQ/Doc, but cannot find out how to reverse an "Also affects project" (misinterpreted the meaning of that...)?
[11:48] <kiko> lar2, mark it as invalid.
[11:49] <kiko> frenchy, let me know if you want any project series deleted
[11:49] <LarstiQ> kiko: reverse as in undo or reverse lookup?
[11:49] <kiko> undo. ;)
[11:49] <lar2> kiko: Thanks, I already did that.  That is enough, then?
[11:49] <kiko> lar2, it's all you can do. :)
[11:49] <LarstiQ> kiko: seems you got the right meaning and I picked the wrong one :)
[11:51] <kiko> LarstiQ, will you be in london in 2 weeks time?
[11:54] <frenchy> kiko: Sorry, I don't think that I understand the components.  I want to delete the "deleted" series, which is somehow linked to ~vcs-imports/me-tv/trunk.  The other series (stable, unstable) shouldn't be affected, should they?
[11:55] <lar2> kiko: OK, thanks!:)
[11:56] <kiko> frenchy, okay, separate things. first, to delete the branches, you need to unlink them from the series. you do this in the series' Edit source page.
[11:56] <kiko> second, only admins can delete the series themselves, so once you've unlinked them I can delete for you.
[11:58] <frenchy> kiko: But nothing is linked from my end, is it?  It's linked to VCS imports isn't it?
[11:59] <kiko> well, not exactly
[11:59] <kiko> even imported branches are just branches linked to series
[11:59] <kiko> and you need to unlink them doing edit source
[12:01] <frenchy> kiko: But I don't have an "Edit source" for https://edge.launchpad.net/me-tv/deleted.  Sorry, I know that I'm missing something.
[12:01] <kiko> oh.
[12:01] <kiko> frenchy, you can't access https://edge.launchpad.net/me-tv/deleted/+source ?
[12:02] <frenchy>        Not allowed here               Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.           You are logged in as Michael Lamothe.          
[12:02] <kiko> frenchy, that's really weird. you own that page!
[12:02] <kiko> hmph.
[12:02] <kiko> I'll fix it anyway
[12:03] <kiko> frenchy, btw, your project is pretty neat. why don't you add a project icon for it and I'll add it to our featured project list?
[12:04] <frenchy> kiko: Thanks, LP has helped a lot.  But I guess I don't need to tell you guys that.  Thanks for fixing.
[12:07] <frenchy> kiko: I think that I'm misusing "Blueprints" for people to add wish-list items, but I use FDD (Feature Driven Development) a lot at work, and it's nice to separate the bugs from the features.
[12:07] <frenchy> In short it's working very well for me and other users.
[12:07] <kiko> that's really great to hear
[12:07] <kiko> I think separating bugs is nice,  but I think I wish specs were numbered.
[12:08] <kiko> frenchy, btw, it's interesting that deleting your deleted branch is triggering a really hard to find oops in launchpad, so I'll wait for matsubara to show up before nuking it via the DB.
[12:08] <kiko> LarstiQ?
[12:14] <frenchy> kiko: Thanks for your help.  On https://edge.launchpad.net/me-tv/deleted/ it says this, "You haven't yet told Launchpad where your source code is for Me TV Series: deleted", amongst other things.
[12:14] <kiko> yeah, leave that to me
[12:17] <frenchy> kiko: Don't I have an icon?
[12:17] <kiko> frenchy, I think you lack a project icon
[12:17] <kiko> ah, you do. you just don't have a logo.
[12:18] <kiko> it'd be nice to add you. but you're a featured project now too!
[12:19] <frenchy> I'll add one now.
[12:23] <frenchy> Added.
[12:26] <frenchy> So how long do I stay a featured project for?
[12:35] <kiko> frenchy, we reconsider the list every month, but we've only added projects, not removed any yet.
[12:36] <frenchy> kiko: Ta.
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #192925 in rosetta "Duplicated code in translations upload forms" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192925
[17:14] <thorwil> hi! i would like to delete and attachment to the logo submissions page because i updated my design. is there a way?
[18:16] <Montenegro> hihi
[18:57] <pixelpapst> hiho
[18:57] <pixelpapst> and good evening everyone
[18:58] <pixelpapst> any LP admins around ?
[19:02] <kiko> pixelpapst, there always are, just ask your question!
[19:03] <pixelpapst> statik maybe ?
[19:03] <pixelpapst> i want to register a distribution
[19:03] <pixelpapst> if possible, before tomorrow's deriv session ;-)
[19:03] <pixelpapst> kiko: on saturday, there were none :)
[19:05] <pixelpapst> i submitted a question to LP ( https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/24847 ), but would like to poke somebody about it, as it's dev week and all
[19:05] <kiko> yeah
[19:06] <kiko> pixelpapst, do you have a team for the distro members?
[19:06] <kiko> pixelpapst, and what's the domain name for your distro?
[19:06] <kiko> will you be using launchpad for bug tracking?
[19:06] <kiko> what about answers?
[19:07] <pixelpapst> team: not yet
[19:07] <kiko> can you create one, please.
[19:07] <pixelpapst> at the moment we have an issue tracker, which combines bug and answers
[19:07] <kiko> ok.
[19:08] <pixelpapst> i'd like to keep that for our internal support (answers) and maybe move bugs out to LP in the medium run
[19:09] <pixelpapst> (can't open up that part to the outside yet as our users are a bit careless with private info) :-(
[19:10] <kiko> sure thing
[19:10] <kiko> so I need a URL and a team.
 kiko: are you planning to create a PPA for debian? or it's for ubuntu only?
[19:10] <pixelpapst> the publically visible part so far is https://projects.yomu.de/kairos/
[19:10] <pixelpapst> alhough it's still a bit bare, sorry :-/
[19:10] <pixelpapst> creating the team now...
[19:11] <kiko> PibbRelay, currently for ubuntu only.
[19:11] <PibbRelay> kiko: Error: "currently" is not a valid command.
[19:12] <kiko> where is PibbRelay relaying from?
 pibb.com
[19:13] <kiko> interesting
[19:13] <kiko> anyway, swined, currently they are for ubuntu only. we need to do some extra work to get debian working -- the chroots would be a problem!
 i hope we'll see it soon :)
[19:15] <mtaylor> kiko: I want the debian too :)
[19:16] <mtaylor> kiko: I know that doesn't really affect much... but I figured I'd be annoying anyway :)
 everyone wants debian :) at least i use them both and want to use the ppa for both of them
[19:17] <mtaylor> kiko: that's actually #2 on my list of desired features... 
[19:18] <pixelpapst> kiko: team is ~kairos-dev
[19:18] <mtaylor> kiko: my personal #1 is being able to upload a source package with a magical something and have it build for multiple versions... like version=dapper-hardy :)
[19:18] <mtaylor> but I do understand that the world doesn't revolve around me
[19:18] <mtaylor> as much as that pains me
[19:42] <kiko> well
[19:42] <kiko> there are some technicalities around that.
[19:42] <kiko> pixelpapst, done: https://edge.launchpad.net/kairos/
[19:43] <kiko> mtaylor, you can however reupload the same package to be built against multiple releases
[19:43] <pixelpapst> kiko: thank you very much
[19:44] <pixelpapst> will upload the intro text i just translated right now :-)
[19:44] <mtaylor> kiko: yeah... that works great and is what I do right now...
[19:44] <mtaylor> kiko: but it's less effort for _me_ if the other thing happens. :)_
[19:46] <kiko> mtaylor, well, we could allow you to just click-n-reupload via the web
[19:47] <mtaylor> kiko: I have to make a new source package to reupload right now, right? or is there a way for me to tell it to build for a different version than is listed in the changelog? 
[19:48] <kiko> cprov, ^^^
[19:50]  * cprov -> phone
[20:36] <cprov> mtaylor: yes, you have to make a new source package (version tweak) in order to have it rebuilt in other suite.
[20:37] <mtaylor> cprov: ok. that's what I've been doing... 
[20:37] <mtaylor> cprov: just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something easier
[20:37] <mtaylor> cprov: thakns!
[20:37] <cprov> mtaylor:  soon, we will allow you to *copy* sources and binaries to another suite via the UI 
[20:39] <kiko> cprov, binaries too?
[20:40] <cprov> kiko: yes, copying source & binaries from one suite to another inside the PPA could be useful
[21:58] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[22:02] <matsubara> hey mpt
[22:02] <matsubara> morning? are you back to nz?
[22:08] <Seq> Hello, I was curious if anybody can comment on a "failed to upload" problem I have been experiencing. created a bug report on the weekend: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/192713
[22:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192713 in soyuz "PPA packages fail to upload but build successfully" [Undecided,New] 
[22:09] <mpt> matsubara, yes, in NZ until April
[22:10] <matsubara> nothing like summer :-)
[22:43] <mpt> matsubara, how's QA going?
[22:43] <mpt> Is the number of Unconfirmed going down, etc?
[22:43]  * mpt wishes Launchpad showed graphs of that sort of thing
[22:44] <matsubara> mpt: not really
[22:44] <matsubara> mpt: i've been neglecting those :-(
[22:45] <matsubara> good news is that the aging and better triage reports should be scheduled to somewhere near the 1.2.4
[22:45] <matsubara> I'll talk to Bjorn about it next week
[23:02] <mpt> BjornT, what do you think of increasing the default bugs batch size to 100?
[23:02] <mpt> Perhaps we could try that on edge in 1.2.3 and see if it causes any timeouts?
[23:50] <ubotu> New bug: #193091 in launchpad ""Package maintenance report" is empty when person maintains no packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193091