[00:00] <choudesh> odd, seems the fgl driver should work
[00:00] <choudesh> can you please pastebin your X11 config file?
[00:00] <DanaG> s/brokenness/nvidia brokenness/
[00:01] <choudesh> eklof, and please install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd-dbg
[00:01] <eklof> mkay
[00:01] <eklof> hang on a sec
[00:05] <eklof> choudesh: http://slask.eklof.eu/xorg.conf.txt
[00:06] <eklof> choudesh: http://slask.eklof.eu/lspci.txt
[00:06] <choudesh> eklof, install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd and see if that helps
[00:07] <eklof> choudesh: ok
[00:11] <eklof> choudesh: nope, only 2 screens after reboot
[00:11] <choudesh> eklof, thanks ok.
[00:11] <choudesh> ~thats ok.
[00:12] <choudesh> eklof, now run aticonfig
[00:12] <eklof> sure
[00:12] <choudesh> eklof, give me a sec, need to destroy my setup so I can walk you through
[00:13] <eklof> ok
[00:13] <eklof> thanks!
[00:13] <eklof> aticonfig is command only, what parameters do you want?
[00:14] <choudesh> aticonfig --initial=dual-head
[00:15] <eklof> this will be intresting :)
[00:15] <choudesh>         Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
[00:15] <choudesh>         Screen         "aticonfig-Screen[1]" RightOf "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
[00:15] <choudesh> now set up your quad screen following the duel screen setup in xorg.conf
[00:16] <choudesh> setup your "Server Layout"
[00:16] <eklof> choudesh: do I need to add the paste?
[00:16] <eklof> ok so I change server layout to what you pasted?
[00:16] <choudesh> no
[00:16] <choudesh> to however you have your's setup
[00:16] <choudesh> so, in the server layout you may have
[00:17] <eklof>         Screen      0  "Default Screen" 0 0
[00:17] <eklof>         Screen         "screen1" RightOf "Default Screen
[00:17] <eklof> ^that's what i have now
[00:17] <choudesh>        Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
         Screen         "aticonfig-Screen[1]" RightOf "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
[00:18] <choudesh> err
[00:18] <choudesh>         Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
[00:18] <choudesh>         Screen          "aticonfig-Screen[2]" RightOf "aticonfig-Screen[1]"
[00:18] <choudesh>         Screen          "aticonfig-Screen[3]" RightOf "aitconfig-Screen[2]
[00:18] <choudesh>         Screen         "aticonfig-Screen[1]" RightOf "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
[00:18] <choudesh> something like that - however you have yours monitors setup
[00:18] <eklof> hmm
[00:18] <eklof> I get it
[00:18] <choudesh> then create the monitors in the monitor section
[00:19] <eklof> they are created
[00:19] <eklof> i have three there now
[00:19] <choudesh> then create the devices...you can cut and copy what they have and just change a few things
[00:19] <eklof> well this is to much, bound to screw something up
[00:19] <eklof> :=)
[00:35] <ffer> System -> Administration -> NVIDIA X Server Settings (that's new)
[00:44] <Dr_willis> they added a icon for the nvidia config tool finially? or is it a actal new tool?
[00:48] <RAOF> Wow.  Someone seems to have turned on the "make the kernel much more power-efficient" button.
[00:49] <RAOF> nVidia's 60Hz interupt is now more than 25% of my total wakeups.
[01:15] <ffer> Dr_willis, icon for nvidia config tool finally
[01:28] <Dr_willis> ffer,  if this was windows.. they would put a link to that tool right there on the main desktop right click menu.. where you alwyas see it..and never need it.... :)
[01:28] <Dr_willis> there seems to be a bad trend where they are tryong to make  EVERYTHING easier to get to..and just cluttering up everything else. heh.
[01:29]  * Dr_willis is glad his Ubuntu menus are not clutteed with lots of 'uninstall thisorthat' icons.
[01:30] <billytwowilly> in the text installer,  when it gets to the hard drive configuration how do I see the partitions already installed? I click manual and it just shows me the hard drive, no parititions
[01:31] <billytwowilly> I know there are three on there, one being ntfs for windows vista.
[01:31] <Dr_willis> billytwowilly,  i often go to the other consoles (alt-ctrl-f2 through 6) and use sudo fdisk -l
[01:31] <Dr_willis> to see whats on the various disks
[01:31] <ffer> they add an icon on the task menu running, yeah right click menu, control panel... where else? =)
[01:32] <billytwowilly> ok, but it should still show up.
[01:33] <billytwowilly> and when I go fdisk -l I see all my partitions.
[01:33] <ffer> Dr_willis, it's a different way of thinking, put it everywhere so everyone can find it, but when you got one place and it's consistent with everything else that could be easy also =)
[01:33] <odious> hey guys. just wondering if i can upgrade from an alpha to the final release when it comes just by doing an apt-get upgrade?
[01:34] <billytwowilly> how do I tell it which partitions to use for / and /home if I can't see my current partitions?
[01:35] <billytwowilly> This is pretty lame guys.
[01:35] <ffer> Dr_willis, nice that it has a home, you don't have to enable it in Applications menu or call it from the command line, It's still not up to par with the windows one though... few things to add to it, but nice to see it there
[01:36] <billytwowilly> hmm. the same thing happens in   gutsy...
[01:36] <billytwowilly> really lame.
[01:37] <RAOF> odious: Yes, possibly modulo configuration stuff.
[01:37] <billytwowilly> all I need is for the stupid thing to see my current partitions.
[01:39] <odious> RAOF: modulo?
[01:41] <RAOF> odious: Yes, the final will be just an alpha + all the updates.  There may be differences between a clean alpha, fully upgraded and a clean fresh install of the final though.  If the installer changes or the default programs change, etc.
[01:42] <RAOF> Wait around, darnit :)
[01:43] <billytwowilly> so when I look at the output it looks like libnewt, rdate-udeb, efi-modules doesn't exist and so partman-bas finds no matching physical volumes, no volume groups
[01:59] <Dr_willis> billytwowilly,  mount the partitions and look as to what is on each one?
[02:00] <Dr_willis> I normally know what partitiosn i am using for / and /home., :) the first one on the hd is / the 2nd is /home
[02:03] <billytwowilly> what I'm saying is that in the text installer the partitions don't show up, all I see is the device.
[02:04] <Dr_willis> Never noticed. -  You can still see what partitions are there with fdisk -l.
[02:05] <Dr_willis> if you have ide drives. be carefull - they often show up as sd%% disks now.
[02:05] <billytwowilly> yes, but how do I tell the installer which ones to format and which one to install everything on if the installer doesn't see them?
[02:05] <billytwowilly> it's all sata.
[02:05] <Dr_willis> Im wondering its not looking at the wrong disk.  -
[02:05] <billytwowilly> there's only one. It's a laptop
[02:06] <billytwowilly> unless it thinks the cdrom is a 120 GB drive;)
[02:06] <Dr_willis> check sudo fdisk -l, and see what it sees.. sounds like a bug in the installer to me.
[02:06] <billytwowilly> I think there's a bug.
[02:06] <Dr_willis> I normally leave a large part of the hd unalocated and let the instalelrs auto partition it.
[02:06] <billytwowilly> in the dmesg like output in tty4 it says "menu item 'partman-base' selected
[02:06] <billytwowilly> then partman: no matching physical volumes found
[02:06] <billytwowilly> partman: no volume groups found
[02:07] <billytwowilly> partman: reading all physical volumes. This may take a while ...
[02:07] <billytwowilly> it's all allocated because I'm blowing away a gutsy install.
[02:11] <Raspberry> I just blew away Gutsy and installed HardyA4 on my Thinkpad with a 160gb SATA drive
[02:11] <Raspberry> it did a good job, left everything alone and Vista still dual boots
[02:16] <billytwowilly> did you use the text installer?
[02:27] <Raspberry> no
[02:28] <Raspberry> I booted off the live CD and installed from there
[02:44] <Raspberry> my sound isn't working after reboot in Hardy
[02:44] <Raspberry> any suggestions
[02:44] <Raspberry> Intel HSA
[02:44] <Raspberry> sorry HDA
[02:44] <Raspberry> it worked during the install and up until I went to bed
[02:45] <billytwowilly> damnit, even the desktop installer doesn't see my darn partition table!
[02:55] <Dr_willis> billytwowilly,  i wonder if the controller/disk in that laptop is hacing issues with the kernel then.
[02:55] <billytwowilly> I mentioned the partman errors already.
[02:56] <billytwowilly> and now "program parted_devices is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO
[02:56] <billytwowilly> It's a hitachi sata disk.
[02:59] <Dr_willis> Be interesting to see if any other linux live cd's see the disk properly
[02:59] <Dr_willis> This system has worked with linux befor?
[03:00] <Dr_willis> work time for me. byee
[03:00] <billytwowilly> I installed rc5 of gutsy on it.
[03:01] <billytwowilly> and fdisk sees everything fine.
[03:01] <billytwowilly> it's the stupid ubuntu installer that is broken.
[03:02] <billytwowilly> and it sees the hardrive it just shows up as "/dev/sda" with no partitions when fdisk sees them!
[03:02] <billytwowilly> same thing with gutsy.
[03:02] <billytwowilly> It's quite annoying.
[03:05] <Trel> Have there been any new developments in EXA acceleration for Intel video in Hardy or X.org's latest sources?
[03:06] <choudesh> billytwowilly, can you log a bug please
[03:08] <billytwowilly> I think I might know why this is happening.
[03:08] <billytwowilly> how do I blow away the mbr?
[03:09] <billytwowilly> what is the linux equivalent of fdisk /mbr ?
[03:28] <chapocero> Hey guys, can somebody give me a hand? I am currently running of the live portion of a dvd for the 64-bit AMD version of Ubuntu. And as I am trying to install the operating sytem to the second partition of my hard drive, I am getting a "No root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu." error. I have my single hard drive partitioned in 4 parts. With one 30gb for Vista, and two 10gb partitions for Ubuntu and 
[03:40] <Raspberry> anybody else having issues with Intel HDA card with the latest updates
[03:42] <heret1c> Raspberry> everything else, but that.:)
[03:42] <Raspberry> hmm
[03:43] <Raspberry> well I'm guessing it was some update since installing Alpha4
[03:43]  * heret1c peers at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[03:44] <Raspberry> this is a weird problem
[03:44] <Raspberry> ebcause everything works fine
[03:44] <Raspberry> except the sound
[03:44] <Raspberry> the alsa loads
[03:44] <Raspberry> the mixers show the sound going through
[03:44]  * Raspberry goes to crawl under the desk
[03:45] <heret1c> a zero volume setting somewhere?
[03:45] <heret1c> gnome or kde?
[03:45] <Raspberry> gnome
[03:45] <Raspberry> I went through the mixer
[03:46] <heret1c> h'm.
[03:46] <heret1c> master sloder on max or 90%?
[03:46] <heret1c> slider
[03:48] <heret1c> maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems can help.
[03:48] <Raspberry> max in the alsamixer or in the gui?
[03:49] <heret1c> all.
[03:49] <heret1c> but max often hives distortion. use around 90.
[03:50] <Trel> ALSA was replaced by PulseAudio as far as I recall.
[03:50] <Trel> Might want to look into that.
[03:50] <heret1c> unless  toy're aspiring for a berth in Spinal Tap ... ;-)
[03:50] <Raspberry> hmm
[03:51] <Raspberry> well it was working with Alpha4 -- so I'll have to see what changed in the last Kernel update
[03:51] <Raspberry> maybe going back to -4 instead of -8 that'd do it
[03:54] <Raspberry> so why'd they replace alsa with pulse
[03:55] <Raspberry> we just got alsa stable :P
[03:55] <Raspberry> none of the palse stuff was installed
[03:56] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> is the only firefox include in hardy gonna be firefox3?
[03:56] <Raspberry> i'd hope so
[03:57] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> so how do u guys get the acroread and mplayer plugin working with firefox3?
[03:57] <Raspberry> put the plugins in the /plugins directory
[03:57] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i did
[03:57] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> not work
[03:57] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> the only thing works is flash
[03:58] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i ll try again i guess
[03:59] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> but firefox3 is still in beta-rc1 right?
[03:59] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> or by april it gonna be final when hardy release
[04:02] <Raspberry> hmm
[04:02] <Raspberry> pulse isn't working either
[04:03] <Raspberry> I don't think this is a hardware problem
[04:03] <Raspberry> but I don't neccessarily think it's a linux issue :P
[04:10] <Raspberry> intresting :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/183364
[04:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183364 in alsa-driver "[hardy] lost sound when upgraded from 2.6.24-3-generic to 2.6.24-4-generic" [Low,Fix released]
[04:11] <Raspberry> Sadly enough, the -5 revision didn't include it. Now the the 2.6.24 kernel is officially out, I hope we'll soon have a stable package and be able to enjoy music again.
[04:11] <Raspberry> :P
[04:12] <Raspberry> apparently the fix is to suspend the computer ... then unsuspend and sound starts working :P
[04:14] <heret1c> bug or feature?
[04:14] <Raspberry> this is a total bug
[04:15] <heret1c> 8-)
[04:15] <Raspberry> for over a month apparently :P
[04:16] <heret1c> hah
[04:16] <heret1c> dma on my lt hasn't worked since Dapper.
[04:17] <heret1c> mesns hd stuff is 8-10 times slower.
[04:30] <heret1c> DMA disabled on device MATSHITA - CDRW/DVD UJDA740
[04:30] <heret1c> With most modern CD/DVD devices enabling DMA highly increases read/write performance. If you experience very low writing speeds this is probably the cause.
[04:30] <heret1c> Solution: Enable DMA temporarily as root with 'hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc'.
[04:31] <heret1c>  /dev/hdc:
[04:31] <heret1c>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:31] <heret1c>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[04:31] <heret1c>  using_dma     =  0 (off)
[04:34] <Raspberry> there needs to be a better explaination of these packages in ubuntu
[04:34] <Raspberry> so we know the date they were comiited
[04:34] <Raspberry> no commitment date: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/sound/alsa-base
[04:34] <Raspberry> so I have no way to tell if it's been updated recently and it's what caused my problem
[04:35] <billytwowilly> anyone ever heard of logging in with kdm and instead of logging in you get a black screen and x restarts? How to fix?
[04:36] <heret1c> need to tell the person who wrote the build-bot. (timestamp = reqired field". Or something.
[04:38] <Raspberry> I can find out when the updated backages were added, but  I have to find that by going through te change logs
[04:38] <Raspberry> typically you'd think date updated/ changed would be something you'd want to know
[04:38] <heret1c> yesh.
[04:45] <Raspberry> I can't downgrade alsa-base w/synaptic either
[04:45] <Raspberry> force version isn't available for that package
[04:46]  * heret1c observes, "thee's some way to go before Ubuntu can be considered suitable for the casual user"
[04:51] <Trel> heret1c: Have you tried to use sudo with it? I know it is a bit of a stupid question.
[04:52] <heret1c> trel> that's "yes" and "yes". :)
[04:53] <Trel> Interesting about DMA
[04:53] <heret1c> Looks like a hdparm and/or kernel issue.
[04:53] <Trel> heret1c: run the 'lspci -v' command, from the output try to find the name/vendor of the IDE interface chip:
[04:54] <heret1c> the IDE HD is designated "sda".
[04:54] <Trel> heret1c: http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:K8qXPy2W-QkJ:www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/hdparm-d1-devhda-gives-me-hdiosetdma-failed-operation-not-permitted-260894/+HDIO_SET_DMA+failed:+Operation+not+permitted&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
[04:55] <Trel> The sudo question may have been a bit basic, but it is always best to assume the most common cause first and then go from there.
[04:55] <heret1c> yeah.
[04:56] <heret1c> assumptions is the mother etc.
[04:57] <Trel> Did you find which controller chipset you are using?
[04:58] <heret1c> Intel Corp 82801DBM (ICH4-M)
[05:00] <heret1c> bog standard, afaik.
[05:03] <Trel> The general consensus on the mailing lists appears to be the cdrom drive itself being the cause.
[05:07] <heret1c> Top 168 results of at least 4,484 retrieved for the query dma sda hda hdparm
[05:08] <heret1c> since few report such problems, multiply by a factor of at least 10.
[05:09] <Trel> You can file a bug about it at the launchpad.net website. That might lead to some more investigation and a possible fix.
[05:09] <heret1c> by that yardstick, the ubuntu devel team ignores 45000 users.
[05:10] <heret1c> bug is filed.
[05:10] <heret1c> noot by me, sbdy else.
[05:11] <Trel> Which bug?
[05:11] <heret1c> the ubuntu-thinks-ide-is-scsi- bug.
[05:12] <RAOF> heret1c: That remains not a bug :)
[05:13]  * slackern chases his isp down for changing his firmware to a 8/1 for no reason =/
[05:13] <heret1c> ag, it applies to other distros as well.
[05:13] <RAOF> heret1c: Because it is the (new) intended behaviour.
[05:14] <heret1c> raof> really?
[05:14] <RAOF> Yes, really.
[05:14] <RAOF> Because SCSI was the first subsystem to be decently generic, the generic disc access layer comes from there.
[05:15] <RAOF> And you build libata on top of that, and your actual _drivers_ on top of libata.
[05:15] <RAOF> As I understand it.  Particular details may be wrong/misrepresented.
[05:15]  * heret1c nods
[05:15] <RAOF> However, the take home message is: "sooner or later, all your drives will be handled by something built on the SCSI system".
[05:16] <RAOF>  /dev/sd? is teh futu0r!
[05:16] <IdleOne> this is not a Hardy issue but really need some help with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56446/ and I think there are probably a few people better suited in here
[05:21] <heret1c> raof> I think the crux is that I cannot enable dma on neither hd or dvd, and suffer a speed penalty of 10-15 x
[05:21] <heret1c> as a result.
[05:21] <RAOF> heret1c: Right.  So, the real bug is that DMA is not enabled by default on those drives.
[05:22] <heret1c> raof> is under dapper.
[05:22] <RAOF> So it's probably fixed by a new kernel.  And worrying about Dapper bugs in #ubuntu+1 is not particularly productive :P
[05:23]  * heret1c runs hardy.
[05:23] <slackern> Lets see how this upgrade works then :)
[05:24] <RAOF> heret1c: Oh.  So what you meant was "DMA is enabled by default in Dapper".
[05:24] <RAOF> heret1c: Have you filed a bug?
[05:24] <heret1c> slackern> pending dixed dependencies.
[05:24] <heret1c> raof> spot on.
[05:24] <RAOF> (Because if it's not on Launchpad, the kernel team won't know it exists)
[05:25] <heret1c> it's there.
[05:25] <slackern> heret1c: had it installed earlier and it upgraded/ran fine, hope it works just as smooth this time too :)
[05:26] <slackern> Maybe i should rip this old wifi card out of my pfsense machine to see how it works in 8.04 too and give the new networkmanager a peek
[05:41] <zqwe> strange... new GPRS setup feature of network-manager have not field to enter phone number which i should call
[05:41] <zqwe> *have no
[05:43] <zqwe> its *99***1#, maybe it is default number for all gprs networks and network manager will call it?
[05:44] <zqwe> plus, i required to enter special init command, and network manager not allow it either
[05:57] <Heretic43> slackern> crash?
[05:57] <slackern> Heretic43, Nah just reboot, in hardy now playing music and everything back as normal :)
[05:58] <Heretic43> heh
[05:58]  * Heretic43 plays music as well (shoutcast)
[05:58] <slackern> Took a little while to install, my isp managed to downgrade the firmware on my cablemodem so down to 8/1 speed instead of 50/2 :P
[05:59] <simi> himy  screen resolution is not saved betwen sesions,
[05:59] <simi> any ideea?
[06:00] <Heretic43> I only have two issues; dma, and the one topic sez not to discuss (unmet you-know-what)
[06:01] <slackern> Now i just want the radeonhd drivers :)
[06:03] <Heretic43> simi> ah, add that to my issues. fixed it with KRandRTray. methinks.
[06:04] <Heretic43> slackern> tried using the windoze one?
[06:04] <Heretic43> restricted driver
[06:06] <Heretic43> worked with my wifi stick. driver off w. cdrom.
[06:06] <slackern> Heretic43, Aye, slight problems with my X1950Pro AGP card on a Nvidia chipset though, So versions 7.7/7.8/7.9/7.10/7.11/7.12/8.01 doesn't work on my card since there are problems somewhere but now that they finally fixed it in windows it's still not working in *nix with the latest fglrx driver from them, tried both repos and their official one, just leaves me with a black screen and a lockup
[06:07] <Heretic43> ah
[06:07] <slackern> Heretic43, But since they found the issue in the Windows drivers now i got a little more hope for them nailing the issues in *nix for me
[06:08] <slackern> heret1c, been using the radeonhd opensource driver that they are developing mostly now, about same performance as vesa but it's good since i could provide som feedback for better support for this card atleast :)
[06:08] <heret1c> slacker> aho.
[06:10] <RAOF> slackern: Seen airlied's talk at LCA?  It's on the web, is called "bringing kittens back to life", and he talks a bit about radeon vs radeonhd.
[06:11] <slackern> RAOF, hmm no i missed that, will go have a look
[06:12] <slackern> haha first hit on google for LCA kittens :P
[06:12] <RAOF> slackern: The impression I got from watching it was "use radeon, it works better" :)
[06:12] <Trel> for now anyway
[06:12] <slackern> RAOF, ahh yes but radeon doesn't support my newer card =/
[06:12] <RAOF> Maybe it needs a newer radeon than we've got :)
[06:13] <slackern> RAOF, Yes i saw some talk about it in #radeonhd guess they are taking the best from both drivers and working on it at the same time or something like that
[06:14] <slackern> radeonhd still has alot of work in it since it started from scratch not so long ago
[06:15] <RAOF> Indeed.
[06:15]  * RAOF is going to have to try to duplicate his end-of-talk demo on his laptop.
[06:21] <Trel> Hm
[06:21] <Trel> does the fglrx driver support your newer card?
[06:23] <slackern> sorry was on phone, friends car broke down ^^,  It's a X1950 card and it says it support the X1900 series so it should, i can get it running with certain versions but 3d is just a dream
[06:23] <slackern> or any kind of acceleration
[06:24] <simi> Heretic43: how did you fix the resolution not beeing saved?  KRandRTray sounds like KDE applet, i am using ubuntu with gnome
[06:25] <heret1c> simi> for all I know, it works with the gnome panel. not sure.
[06:26] <heret1c> can someone wise in the ways of dpkg cast an expert eye at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56449/ ?
[06:26] <slackern> Trel, If i try the binary driver it even shows the card as compatible with the drivers and supported but i guess it'll work out sooner or later just as it did with the windows driver, they managed to get a working driver there only this month since the 2007-07 driver on my combination of hardware
[06:28] <slackern> think i'll compile the radeonhd driver and give it a go in hardy :)
[06:29] <simi> heret1c: but what it does in fact? edit something? i seen that xorg.conf has changed a lot
[06:29] <Raspberry> hmm
[06:30] <heret1c> simi>  lets u set res, refresh, orientation, etc.
[06:32] <Raspberry> how can I downgrade the alsa-driver package in hardy
[06:32] <heret1c> erk
[06:32] <Raspberry> i should ask -- is there a recommended way to do it :)
[06:32] <Raspberry> alsa* 1.0.16 is crap
[06:33] <Raspberry> need to go back to a .15 rev
[06:33] <Raspberry> but I'm having trouble finding the older packages anywhere
[06:34] <Raspberry> I tried building my own modules, but that didn't help since they were built with 1.0.16
[06:34] <zqw2> its not how system work, it work by increasing numbers, not decreasing :/
[06:35]  * heret1c can't proceed without the http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56449/ thing being fixed.
[06:35] <Raspberry>  wow
[06:35] <Raspberry> that looks fun :P
[06:35] <crimsun_> Raspberry: huh?  How is it "crap"?  Unless you're manually compiling alsa-source, there shouldn't be a problem, as the alsa-driver source only generates linux-sound-base and alsa-base debs for use by default.
[06:36] <heret1c> the topic is very useful to read BEFORE one installs hardy, AFTER it's somewhat moot.
[06:36] <Raspberry> it's fine that it's broken
[06:37] <Raspberry> but typically with a debian based OS you can downgrade packages
[06:37] <Raspberry> I can reinstall Hardy and just freeze the alsa packages from updating
[06:38] <Raspberry> the alsa mixer works and it acts like it's playing the sound
[06:38] <Raspberry> but nothing comes out of the speakers
[06:38] <crimsun_> Are you referring to the drivers themselves as shipped by default in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic?
[06:38] <Raspberry> it works off the live CD
[06:38] <Raspberry> the Alpha4 live Cd
[06:38] <Raspberry> but after running the updates it doesn't work whether with Kernel -5 or -8
[06:39] <Raspberry> I did a module-assistant build and install of the alsa drivers and that didn't fix the issue
[06:39] <Raspberry> and it didn't work prior to that -- so I'd assume it's with the alsa code itself
[06:39] <crimsun_> of current hardy?  You don't have the latest ones that I uploaded.
[06:39] <crimsun_> the ones I uploaded last week are queued for archive admin approval and should appear early this week.
[06:40] <Raspberry> ok -- where can I get them? :)
[06:40] <Raspberry> i checked pre-release
[06:40] <Raspberry> and they're weren't any available up there yet eihter
[06:40] <crimsun_> the source should be available from LP if you want to grab the diff.gz and dsc
[06:40] <Raspberry> it's basically this issue, but it isn't limited to kernel 2.6.24-3 and 4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/183364https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/183364
[06:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183364 in alsa-driver "[hardy] lost sound when upgraded from 2.6.24-3-generic to 2.6.24-4-generic" [Low,Fix released]
[06:40] <slackern> btw anyone else notice any kind of "stuttering" while playing music?
[06:41] <crimsun_> Raspberry: I need to know "lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]"
[06:41] <crimsun_> slackern: that's much too vague.  What type of file, what application, what audio card, etc.
[06:41] <Raspberry> 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
[06:41] <Raspberry> Subsystem: 17aa:20ac
[06:42] <heret1c> slackern> playing from what medium?
[06:42] <slackern> crimsun_, oh sorry, just did an upgrade and while moving windows and such i get a stutter in the sound while playing mp3's in rhythmbox
[06:43] <slackern> Maybe i should add that this is from a NTFS partition also
[06:43] <heret1c> er, dma?
[06:43] <crimsun_> Raspberry: are you using any model?
[06:43] <crimsun_> Raspberry: e.g., options snd-hda-intel model=foo
[06:43] <slackern> heret1c, It's a SATA drive if that matters
[06:43] <Raspberry> not that I'm aware of no
[06:43] <crimsun_> Raspberry: please confirm that you are(n't).
[06:44] <crimsun_> slackern: with compiz enabled or disabled?
[06:44] <heret1c> /ne hazards http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56449/ again (dpkg hell)
[06:44] <slackern> crimsun_, disabled, using the radeonhd driver with shadowfb acceleration only
[06:45] <Raspberry> crimsun_:  in my alsa-base...  options snd-intel8x0m index=-2
[06:45] <crimsun_> slackern: is the same symptom reproducible when you're only logged into a tty and using gst-launch playbin ..?
[06:45] <slackern> crimsun_, It's not all the time, happens when i least expect it or how i should explain, now that im trying to do it again im failing miserably
[06:45] <heret1c> slackern> er, w8...
[06:45] <crimsun_> Raspberry: not relevant; you're using snd-hda-intel
[06:45] <Raspberry> i don't even see that listed in the modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:46] <crimsun_> Raspberry: correct, it shouldn't be.
[06:46] <slackern> crimsun_, I'll have to try that, should it be without X running?
[06:46] <crimsun_> Raspberry: which ThinkPad/Lenovo model?
[06:47] <crimsun_> slackern: correct, which means you need to reproduce the symptom solely through ALSA.
[06:47] <heret1c> slackern> what happens if you do >sudo hdparm  -d1 dev/hda ?
[06:47] <Raspberry> crimsun_: X61T 776298U
[06:47] <slackern> heret1c,  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[06:48] <slackern> Never been able to set DMA for SATA though i belive
[06:48] <slackern> Only got /dev/sda on this machine
[06:48] <Raspberry> crimsun_: where would I find the options line -- I would have thought it'd be in the alsa-base file in modprobe.d
[06:49] <crimsun_> Raspberry: there should /not/ be one by default for snd-hda-intel
[06:49] <Raspberry> crimsun_: there isn't
[06:51] <crimsun_> Raspberry: I would wait until alsa-source 1.0.16-0ubuntu2 is available
[06:51] <crimsun_> Raspberry: please use "sudo m-a clean,a-i alsa-source" after it is upgraded
[06:51] <Raspberry> that's listed as the current version
[06:51] <crimsun_> ...which may be in a few hours.  It has already built and is available, according to LP.
[06:52] <Raspberry> yeah :)
[06:52] <Raspberry> I'll just cleanup my alsa build mess now
[06:52] <Raspberry> since there's no sound
[06:52] <crimsun_> if you're really, really hard up, use http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12033371/alsa-source_1.0.16-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[06:53] <Raspberry> I appreciate your help
[06:53] <crimsun_> if it's still not audible by default after rebuilding and rebooting, please file a bug report and ping me with the bug report # here.
[06:54] <crimsun_> I have only intermittent e-mail access, so giving me heads-up here on IRC with all the relevant info is much more efficient.
[06:54] <crimsun_> with that said, I'm off to sleep.
[06:54] <Raspberry> thanks again
[07:00] <heret1c> 'morning dana.
[07:00]  * heret1c assumes
[07:01] <heret1c> or is it 'noon? :-)
[07:11] <DanaG> I'm in Pacific timezone, so it's 11 PM here.
[07:21] <heret1c> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56449/
[07:21] <heret1c> anyone have similar experiences?
[07:33] <zqw2> does alt-tab supposed to work for switching to desktop from full-screen game? cut it seems not working and this cause problems, if game is locked for example some way
[07:34] <zqw2> alt-f4 to close games dosnt work too...
[07:35] <slytherin> anyone using amd64 here?
[07:35] <zqw2> another problem if when game is cause X to kind of freeze, it looses full-screen, but continue to run, and keyboard stop working
[07:36] <zqw2> mouse too
[07:36] <zqw2> i loosing my data this way, cuz i required to restart X cuz game locked it
[07:37] <slytherin> zqw2: which game?
[07:38] <zqw2> with compiz enabled it happens with all 3d games with some time of playing
[07:38] <zqw2> with disabled it is just happened with urban terror but never happened with other games, freezes i mean
[07:38] <zqw2> but i may have similiar issues
[07:39] <zqw2> like game not setting refresh rate correclty and monitor switched off
[07:39] <zqw2> itself
[07:40] <zqw2> and i cant quit game, and cannot switch from it
[07:42] <DanaG> Try to VT-switch to a console and 'killall' it.
[07:44] <zqw2> well X still stays in incorrect refresh rate stance with this resolution, i have another workaround for this, like change videomode ctrl-alt-+/- but its just workaround
[07:44] <zqw2> not tried that with urban terror
[07:44] <slytherin> anyone using amd64 here?
[07:44] <Trel> slytherin: Yep
[07:45] <zqw2> i want ability to swich to desktop
[07:45] <slytherin> Trel: Can you tell me what is output of 'uname -m'?
[07:45] <zqw2> and closing games
[07:46] <Trel> 2.6.24-8-generic
[07:47] <slytherin> Trel: No, you did unsame -r, Iwant uname -m
[07:47] <Raspberry> x86_64
[07:47] <Trel> Ah
[07:47] <Trel> Right hen
[07:47] <Trel> x86_64
[07:48] <slytherin> Trel: Raspberry: thanks
[08:50] <Assid> dammit.. when are they gonna update the repositories. its stuck on partial update since eons now
[08:51] <slytherin> Assid: What do you mean by partial updates?
[08:51] <gretl> is there still a bad link with the nvidia drivers? ...
[08:57] <Assid> http://picpaste.com/screen.jpg
[08:57] <Assid> i cant enable any off those applications from there
[09:00] <Assid> its crazy man
[09:00] <Assid> ive been waiting since ages
[09:03] <slytherin> Assid: Which repository are yu using?
[09:04] <Assid> tried the main ones
[09:04] <Assid> also tried indian mirror
[09:04] <Assid> same damn thing
[09:07] <slytherin> Assid: Then you probably need to fix your system. Because I don't have any problem. Make sure that you have all the hardy repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and try 'sudo apt-get -f install' from command line
[09:08] <Assid> im gonna try and --reinstall it
[09:08] <Assid> the packages that arent updating
[09:10] <Assid> im gonna sit and do this later.. atm i need to work
[09:21] <wobbo> i am missing the tool in under the location panel menu "connect to server"
[09:27] <slytherin> wobbo: you are not the only one
[09:30] <wobbo> is wine-0.9.55 in the repo still bad?
[09:33] <Trel> wobbo: What problems are you seeing with it?
[09:39] <wobbo> "Segmentationerror (core dumped)"
[09:41] <wobbo> Trel: Can't imagin i am the only one?
[09:41] <Trel> wobbo: Which build are you using?
[09:41] <Trel> build of Ubuntu I mean
[09:42] <wobbo> latest alpha 4
[09:44] <Trel> i386/AMD64?
[09:51] <wobbo> sorrie was getting me cafe,i386
[09:53] <Trel> I've seen a bit of an issue with it in AMD64 too
[09:53] <Trel> Have you tried to trace it or run gdb against the core to see what went wrong?
[09:58] <wobbo> nope
[10:26] <Raspberry> yeah 0.9.55 is still bad
[10:26] <Raspberry> I'm running amd64
[10:36] <gold44> anyone running alpha4?
[10:36] <gold44> is it stable?
[10:37] <gold44> i have extra machine, thinking installing alpha there
[10:37] <jpatrick> gold44: see /topic :)
[10:38] <gold44> *sign* ok
[10:38]  * gold44 walks to the corner of the room and cuddle up and stair at the wall
[10:39] <jpatrick> I'm sure there's people running it here
[10:39]  * jpatrick is currently on a windows boz
[10:40] <gold44> i think upgrade may not be possible when final comes out
[10:54] <heret1c> 1.5MB/s transferrate hda1 -> hda1
[10:55]  * heret1c is tempted to downgrade to Dapper LTS
[10:58] <heret1c> DMA disabled on device MATSHITA - CDRW/DVD UJDA740
[10:58] <heret1c> With most modern CD/DVD devices enabling DMA highly increases read/write performance. If you experience very low writing speeds this is probably the cause.
[10:58] <heret1c> Solution: Enable DMA temporarily as root with 'hdparm -d 1 /dev/hd
[11:02] <slytherin> gold44: This is #ubuntu+1, a channel for those who are running ubuntu unstable version. :-)
[11:03] <gold44> slytherin: yeah. just want to test the water.
[11:03] <slytherin> gold44: I am running hardy on my pc, office pc and my ibook. I ran into some problem on ibook but rest of it is fine. Does that satisfy you? :-)
[11:04] <sabayonlive-2718> hello fellas
[11:05] <sabayonlive-2718> I just installed ubuntu hardy from the mini.iso and it failed installing grub2
[11:05] <sabayonlive-2718> can somebody tell me howto install it manually?
[11:05] <gold44> slytherin: sounds good to me =)
[11:06] <sabayonlive-2718> I do not know why it failed :(
[11:06] <gold44> slytherin: i am prepare to reformat if upgrade is not possible on the alpha release.
[11:06] <slytherin> sabayonlive-2718: what mini.iso? And hardy doesn't install grub2 by default.
[11:07] <gold44> slytherin: it's an old box from a hand down.
[11:08] <slytherin> gold44: upgrade shouldn't give any problem I think provided you are upgrading from either fristy or dapper
[11:08] <gold44> slytherin: no, upgrade from alpha to final release for  hardy
[11:09] <slytherin> gold44: Shouldn't be a problem in majority cases
[11:09] <sabayonlive-2718> can somebody tell me howto install grub2 manually? I mean it did not work automatically so something seems to be wrong
[11:11] <gold44> i think grub 2.0 support grub-reboot command
[11:11] <gold44> grub-reboot does not work on ver 0.97
[11:11] <sabayonlive-2718> dude I have NO grub2 because it failed installing
[11:12] <sabayonlive-2718> and I installed from netisntall
[11:12] <sabayonlive-2718> mini.iso
[11:12] <gold44> dude, i am just saying, it will be kick ass if you have 2.0 instead of 0.97
[11:12] <gold44> good luck
[11:13] <slytherin> sabayonlive-2718: That is what I am saying, Ubuntu does not have grub2 on ISO images. grub2 is still in universe repository, not good enough to be included in 'main' and on CDs
[11:13] <slytherin> sabayonlive-2718: So now if you have a system that boots properly, add universe repository and install grub2
[11:15] <sabayonlive-2718> slytherin haha I have a mini cd with a netinstal it just sucks everything it needs from the nets and this includes grub2 somehow
[11:15] <slytherin> sabayonlive-2718: Then you should file a bug
[11:17] <sabayonlive-2718> If I knew what the bug is..
[11:17] <sabayonlive-2718> It seems to be a dependancy problem
[11:17] <sabayonlive-2718> but am not sure
[11:17] <sabayonlive-2718> lilo didn't work either
[11:20] <sabayonlive-2718> will sudo apt-get -f -V install grub2 do the job?
[11:20] <sabayonlive-2718> or do I need to do other things to overwrite the mbr?
[11:25] <heret1c> bugger. 6th DVD gutsy/hardy has x'ed up. :-/
[11:29] <heret1c> to downgrade or not downgrade, that's the question.
[11:29] <heret1c> imo, (k)ununtu has become buggier and buggier since Dapper - which were stable on this box, at least.
[11:35] <heret1c> Wait until HH becomes stable? Or run Knoppix, take backup, <unspeakable command>, install Dapper?
[11:38] <gold44> heret1c: kde desktop 4 or you referring to kde 3?
[11:40] <heret1c> gold44> I'm on 3.
[11:41] <heret1c> Have 4 installed as well, but don't use it. Prefer 3. In 4, they've concentrated too much on gizmos, not functionality.
[11:42] <heret1c> my tuppence. :-)
[11:43] <gold44> kde stuff are very innovative. if you use kpdf, it has a clock to tell you how many pages you read. like a pie chart
[11:43] <heret1c> Take such an obvious thing as seamless integration with mobile phones/PDAs. Lacking.
[11:43] <gold44> no other pdf view does this ikind of stuff
[11:44] <heret1c> gold44> that's what I mean. u describe a gizmo. hip, but not crucial. synching with mobiles is.
[11:45] <heret1c> anyway, I'm stuck with an installation which a) can't use DMA, and b) has apt/dpkg messed up.
[11:47] <gold44> heret1c: when i am reading a 1 thousand page pdf book. i find the clock thing to be very important. have you used it before?
[11:47] <heret1c> nope.
[11:47] <sveri> gold44: am i right that it tells me how much time i need to read one page?
[11:47] <heret1c> I have kalarm, and an alarm plugin for xmms. sufficient, imo.
[11:48] <sveri> gold44: or how much time it took me to read the whole document?
[11:48] <gold44> heret1c: you should try it.  it's more like a pie chart, to tell you were you are at. so you know how much you read and how much more you have to read.
[11:49] <gold44> sveri: no
[11:49]  * heret1c mutters something about the Total Perspective Vortex
[11:50] <gold44> if the pdf book has 12 chapters, and you are at chapter 5, it will say five o clock.
[11:50] <sveri> ah, i see
[11:50] <heret1c> gold44> DMA doesn't work. Can't upgrade. To =)(/ with Kpdf.
[11:50] <gold44> sveri: i am not good at explaining
[11:50] <sveri> it tells me when i am ready with reading
[11:50] <gold44> heret1c: yes. i know. but  i don't feel your pain. sorry bro
[11:51] <heret1c> gold44> no sweat. 8)
[11:51] <gold44> dma no work, so you can't access hard drive perhaps?
[11:51] <heret1c> 48 hrs of this hassle could turn mother theresa into a mass murderer.
[11:52] <heret1c> gold44> can access - at 1.5 MB/s.
[11:52] <heret1c> instead of 20.
[11:53] <gold44> ah... maybe. but i can't be sympathetic to you.  not feeling your pain, unless it happens to me =) hahah
[11:53] <heret1c> Burning DVDs is out. Have to use Knoppix for that.
[11:53] <sveri> hehe, that why mother theres doesnt fiddle around with computer thinggs
[11:54] <gold44> all i wanted to say it that , that pie chart thing is pretty cleaver and cool. and i think adobe will copy it and make $ out of other's innovative ideas =)
[11:56] <heret1c> anyway. not fishing for sympath, but competence.
[11:56] <heret1c>  /solutions
[11:56]  * heret1c afks to make his 6th cuppa this morning
[11:57] <gold44> is it distro specific ? you mention knoppix.
[11:58] <gold44> dma works for another distro maybe? ...ah... i dont know.
[11:58]  * gold44 runs away
[11:58] <heret1c> worked in dapper.
[12:00] <heret1c> and it's an unmitigated scandal it hasn't been fixed for hardy.
[12:02] <heret1c> sbdy have this file; /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/bootconfig/__init__.py ?
[12:08] <heret1c> film @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56449/
[12:08] <sveri> heret1c: i dont have that file
[12:09] <jan_> Hi, I'm running latest hardy, does the ~/Desktop folder items appear on the desktop atm for you?
[12:09] <heret1c> sveri> and you've no problems updating/installing?
[12:09] <sveri> jan_: yes they do here
[12:09] <jan_> When I log in I see nautilus opening several time and closing
[12:09] <sveri> heret1c: no, i've made all updates until today that where available
[12:10] <jan_> seems as it is crashing and tries to open a couple of times
[12:10] <sveri> jan_: i use kde, maybe i should mention that
[12:10] <heret1c> jan_> yes here as well, except I use KDE.
[12:10] <slytherin> jan_: Some problem with your upgrade.
[12:10] <slytherin> jan_: I have no problem with nautilus
[12:10] <heret1c> is it hidden? .Desktop ...
[12:11] <jan_> nop
[12:11] <jan_> the same thing happens when I try to connect my bluetooth mouse: I get an error saying that nautilus cannot open mouse_address and nautilus pops up and crashes several times
[12:12] <jan_> since I upgraded might it be some issue with previous confs?
[12:15] <scizzo-> jan_: tried it with a different user?
[12:16] <jan_> scizzo-: didnt
[12:16] <jan_> one moment
[12:17] <jan_> by the way, is bluetooth input supposed to be working? there was a bug but it has been marked as fixed for a while now
[12:20] <jan_> scizzo-: in other user not such issue with nautilus
[12:20] <jan_> same problem with bluetooth tough
[12:20] <so1> hi
[12:21] <so1> was here on saturday ... because a laptop (cable: SIS 191 GBE Adapter Rev. 02; wireless: Atheros AR5006GE 802.11)
[12:21] <so1> just wanted to say that at least the wired one works in hardy
[12:21] <jan_> scizzo-: what's responsable for displaying ~/Desktop contents on the .. desktop?
[12:23] <slytherin> jan_: Nautilus does it.
[12:23] <slytherin> jan_: The bluetooth problem seems to be fixed for some while not for others.
[12:25] <jan_> slytherin: do you know how can I reset nautilus conf? is deleting .nautilus is or does it store something on gconf?
[12:26] <jan_> *enough
[12:26] <slytherin> jan_: I guess nautilus uses gconf, you so have to loo inside .gconfd or .gconf in your home directory
[12:27] <jan_> thanks
[13:37] <nanonyme> !schedule
[13:37] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[14:02] <Taku> hey people =)
[14:03] <Taku> people, has anyone experienced problems with gspca drivers (for webcams) in hardy ?
[14:09] <Gnine> finally compiz has crashed for good on alpha 8, there is a workaround in the forums but i iz waiting for the appropriate system update to fix it.
[14:09] <c0de> hi out there
[14:09] <c0de> i think i have a problem with apt
[14:10] <c0de> did any updates come this day or yesterday to hardy?
[14:10] <Pici> No.
[14:10] <Pici> Rather, not for me.
[14:10] <Gnine> latest update i do not recommend
[14:10] <c0de> ah i see
[14:10] <sveri> Gnine: alpha 8? did i miss something? today alpha5 should come out
[14:10] <sveri> c0de: ne updates here too
[14:11] <c0de> yesterday i had a problem with my ext3 and since then i did not receive any updates
[14:11] <Pici> I've had the hyphenation update broken all weekend, no changes.
[14:11] <c0de> so i thought my apt is broken ^^
[14:11] <Gnine> alpha 8, is not doing too good. a silly error does not load xgl thus braking compiz and screenlets and even AWN
[14:11] <sveri> Gnine: what alpha 8?
[14:12] <sveri> Gnine: there will never be an alpha 8, at least there is none planned in the release schedule
[14:12] <sveri> Gnine: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[14:12] <Kalpik> sveri, i think he means alpha of 8.04 :P
[14:12] <Gnine> oh.. missinterpreting.. updates with the 2.6.24-8 were broken
[14:12] <Pici> I think its a typo
[14:13] <Kalpik> ah ok :P
[14:13] <sveri> ah ok
[14:13] <Gnine> just woke up here
[14:13] <sveri> hehe, ok
[14:13] <sveri> that excuses a lot
[14:13] <Pici> Gnine: Broken how?
[14:14] <Raspberry> anybody have working audio :)
[14:14] <Gnine> scroll up few lines
[14:15] <sveri> Raspberry: here :D
[14:15] <Gnine> i guess the issue is a libxgl.so file that is not being addressed properly
[14:15] <Gnine> silly
[14:15] <Raspberry> my sound is broken ... hda-intel
[14:16] <Pici> !hdaintel
[14:16] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[14:16] <Pici> This *may* work on Hardy, I havent tried it.
[14:16] <Raspberry> i've rebuilt the alsa drivers
[14:16] <Raspberry> and rebooted
[14:16] <Raspberry> I'm even running 1.0.16r2 which was just released today
[14:17] <sveri> Raspberry: do you have another soundcard installed?
[14:17] <Raspberry> no
[14:18] <Raspberry> this is an Thinkpad X61t laptop
[14:18] <sveri> ah ok
[14:18] <Raspberry> is this new pulseaudio stuff screwing around with things?
[14:19] <Raspberry> hmm
[14:20] <Raspberry> dmesg detects the card but not sure if it's doing anything else
[14:24] <Gnine> metacity performance is also affected by this compiz bug. which doesnt even generate a crash report either.
[14:25] <Gnine> even if it wasnt directly related it is also buggy too
[14:26] <Raspberry> does the indexer ever stop indexing :P
[14:27] <Raspberry> seems to just run and run
[14:27] <Raspberry> left the machine on over night and it was still running this morning
[14:27] <Raspberry> it's a brandnew install it can't have that much to index
[14:44] <TrXuk> Hi all, anyone alive
[14:48] <TrXuk> openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb errors on install trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic.. But it cant as that file allready belongs to openoffice.org-hyphenation. Manually forcing remove of openoffice.org-hyphenation then installing the en-us package first dosnt work either due to dependancies... and moving the file so it has nothing to overwrite does not help.... may be a piss easy thing to f
[14:48] <TrXuk> ix and I have just missed something... but I thaught i'd let you guys know
[14:49] <TrXuk> great work so far anyway!
[14:49] <Raspberry> yeah, we don't fix bugs here
[14:49] <Raspberry> use bugs.launchpad.net for bugs
[14:49] <jussi01> TrXuk: thats a known bug in todays build/update
[14:49] <jussi01> !bug
[14:49] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[14:50] <TrXuk> Not asking for it fixed, just thaught I would let someone know, jussi01 Cool, as long as it's been noticed :D
[14:50] <jussi01> :)
[14:51] <Raspberry> telling us about bugs here is like telling a carpenter about a burning building
[14:53] <TrXuk> Raspberry, Apologies.. cant say I really know how the ubuntu dev effort works.. I've just been playing with the alpha and thaught #ubuntu-dev was a good place to start, that had a banner saying all things hardy were in here
[14:53] <Raspberry> if you're having a problem with something we can help work through it :)
[14:54] <TrXuk> Thanks.. apart from that (which is a known bug so I dont have to go and report it on launchpad) Everything's good... had a little issue with no mouse movements.. so disabled logitech evdev driver for now.. and cant wait to see the pulseaudio stuff it the finished version :D
[14:55] <TrXuk> Guess I just come from the gentoo background, where everyone can be reached via IRC :P
[14:59] <TrXuk> Is there a central place that documents progress/known bugs for hardy? in like a summary page so you can just have a daily glace to see what you should / should not expect from thdays updates?
[15:00] <TheInfinity> TrXuk: launchpad
[15:00] <Gnine> pay no attention to Raspberry , having a bad hair day cuz no sound.
[15:00] <TrXuk> lol
[15:00] <TrXuk> ouch
[15:00] <Raspberry> :P
[15:01] <Raspberry> no I've just been up 30-some hours coding a project
[15:01] <Raspberry> and I'd like to listen to some music while I work :p
[15:01] <TheInfinity> use windows *scnr*
[15:02] <TrXuk> Know what you mean.. I cant code without music :P
[15:03] <TheInfinity> <-- cant code and cant design without music too ...
[15:03] <Gnine> it is true that here we dont fix bugs but this is the place for hardy. disclosing issues is good for those few devs that do watch whats going on here
[15:03] <Pici> But its not a replacement for filing a big.
[15:03] <Pici> s/big/bug/
[15:04] <Raspberry> pici said what I mean :p
[15:05] <TrXuk> np :)
[15:06] <Gnine> without the jesus pun
[15:08] <Gnine> i also ran into the bug TrXuk mentioned
[15:09] <TrXuk> Gnine, I think it could be everyone..  jussi01 Said it was a known problem with todays updates/build
[15:09] <Gnine> apport did not generate a report for that either, i guess that'd count as another bug too
[15:10] <jussi01> the best thing you guys could do is go find the bug, and confirm it. that way it gets fixed quicker
[15:12] <TrXuk> How do you guys st
[15:12] <TrXuk> *stick totight releaseeeeeee schedule?
[15:12] <TrXuk> *sorry for the extra chars... synergy playing up :P
[15:13] <Raspberry> what's this mean? /sbin/alsa: Warning: Processes using sound devices: 6226(pulseaudio) 6399(mixer_applet2).
[15:18] <Raspberry> ah
[15:18] <Raspberry> warning means processes are using it
[15:18] <Raspberry> :)
[15:18] <Raspberry> you have to do a force-reload
[15:24] <TrXuk> Bug confirmed :)
[15:36] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek about to start in 24 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:44] <regel> wow
[15:45] <regel> what happend to xorg.conf?
[15:46] <regel> it's so short
[15:46] <regel> there's nothing in it
[15:46] <regel> well, pretty much nothing
[15:46] <regel> it's empty!
[15:48] <hmuller> Other than writing a script to parse /var/log/apt/term.log, is there an easier way to identify all packages installed by the user?
[15:50] <regel> 'dpkg --get-selections'
[15:50] <regel> does that work?
[15:52] <hmuller> regel: that seems to grab everything.  I'm looking for something simple that grabs all selected packages that were previously unselected
[15:53] <hmuller> I thought there might be an easier way than writing a script, as I am famous for doing things the hard way if there is an easier one.
[16:00] <Mark_M> How do I turn on compiz again?  I turned it off via System>Preferences>Appearance because Nautilus kept opening and moving all over my desktop when I loged in.
[16:03] <crimsun_> Mark_M: same menu, Visual Effects
[16:03] <Mark_M> Hey crimsun!
[16:04] <Mark_M> Just click on extra?
[16:04] <Mark_M> Then go into the Advanced Desktop Settings and play away?
[16:04] <Gnine> alt-f2 - compiz --replace   OR   in terminal: compiz --replace
[16:06] <ryanakca> ick... firefox 3 is still waay to unstable. At least here ;)
[16:06] <kdub> ryanakca: i agree
[16:07] <Assid> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:07] <Assid>  /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb
[16:07] <Assid> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[16:07] <Pici> Assid: Its been like that for a few days.
[16:08] <Assid> libmyth-perl is broken too
[16:08] <Assid> err brb
[16:08] <Assid> need to reboot
[16:08] <kdub> Assid: i just worked through that too
[16:09] <Mark_M> actually compiz --replace& works better
[16:09] <Mark_M> since I don't kill the process when I close the terminal window
[16:09] <Mark_M> thanks Gnine and crimsun
[16:09] <kdub> why is everything giant in firefox 3?
[16:10] <Mark_M> My entire FF profile was blown away yesterday for no reason
[16:10] <Mark_M> good thing I had a backup from Saturday
[16:10] <Mark_M> FF is now big like the rest of Gnome
[16:10] <kdub> looks like mine was too
[16:10] <Mark_M> they just made it Gnome-like
[16:11] <kdub> no, like the icons are disproportionally large
[16:12] <Mark_M> I'm gonna logout and back in to see if I still have the exploding windows on startup
[16:13] <ryanakca> hehe, if you think it looks bad in gnome, you should see how bad it looks in KDE4 :P
[16:14] <^Tom> has anything been improved in the way of via graphics drivers in hardy ?
[16:14] <ryanakca> incredible how hard it is to downgrade firefox
[16:14] <wobbo>  I was hoping the bug with compiz+nvidia, the windows title bar not showing correctly (partially grey) would have been fixed in Gutsy, seems it
[16:14] <hit> ryanakca, agree
[16:14] <wobbo> 's an everlasting bug?
[16:15] <kdub> im just gonna use opera for a while
[16:15] <Pici> I like FF3.
[16:15] <ryanakca> wobbo: it worked here in gutsy... and it worked under hardy... but it broke here a few days ago
[16:15] <ryanakca> Pici: yeah, but the webdevelopper plugin doesn't work, nor do any of my themes...
[16:15] <hit> foxmarks!
[16:15] <ryanakca> Pici: if even just the webdevelopper plugin worked I'd be happy :)
[16:16] <wobbo> well, the bug was never solved in gutsy
[16:16] <Pici> ryanakca: have you tried forcing it by using the nightly tester tools extension?
[16:18] <ryanakca> Pici: nope... but meh, I've just downgraded firefox, I'll try it whenever I next use FF3 :)
[16:19] <Mark_M> I'm back
[16:19] <Mark_M> for some reason Nautilus runs then stops about 6 times when I log in
[16:19] <Mark_M> I don't know why it is doing this
[16:20] <Mark_M> it was really screwing up compiz so I had to turn off compiz
[16:20] <Mark_M> this just started last night
[16:20] <wobbo> ryanakca, bugs like this http://www.documentjes.nl/Schermafdruk.png and other variations of grey
[16:20] <kdub> the joys of running beta OS-es....
[16:20] <Gnine> alpha
[16:21] <Mark_M> alpha 4
[16:21] <Mark_M> is there some sort of gnome startup file that may be doing this
[16:21] <Mark_M> I looked under sessions but don't see gnome set to run
[16:22] <Mark_M> I know Nautilus has some wierdness in it but I haven't experienced this problem
[16:22] <Mark_M> before
[16:24] <Mark_M> Has anyone seen Nautilus attempting to run multiple times on startup?
[16:24] <ryanakca> wobbo: dunno
[16:28] <wobbo> anyone else? if have posted this bug a couple of times allready and i have seen it on a lot ubu pc's with an nvidia car 7*** / 6***
[16:29] <ryanakca> heh, looks like I have a firefox-3.0/firefox-2.0.0.6 hybrid...
[16:29] <Mark_M> What's wrong wobbo?
[16:30] <Mark_M> I don't see anything in the picture
[16:30] <ryanakca> (nor did I)
[16:31] <wobbo> Well, i am hungry and to lazy to get out of my chair and get myself something to eat, but besides that, compiz has a long lasting serious bug on machines with some nvidiacards.
[16:31] <Pici> What bug?
[16:31] <Mark_M> I was running compiz with my nVidia card without too many problems
[16:31] <Pici> Me too.
[16:32] <wobbo> i will post some more screens.
[16:32] <Mark_M> my problem is that I still can't figure out why Nautilus is running so many times when I log in
[16:32] <^Tom> heh - all you people with nvidia cards who complain about broken compiz, if only i had those graphics problems ;)
[16:32] <wobbo> need to reboot brb
[16:32] <Mark_M> I searched through all of the hidden directories to see if there could be something starting it...no luck
[16:32] <Pici> Mark_M: What gives you the impression that its starting multiple times?
[16:33] <Mark_M> The File Manager window opens and closes multiple times although I never see multiple processes in System Manager
[16:33] <Mark_M> perhaps it is only one instance running but why would the window be opening and closing multiple times?
[16:34] <Pici> Do you have any remote shares on your desktop? Perhaps its gvfs bugging out
[16:35] <Assid> oh man
[16:35] <Assid> firefox2 is gone?!
[16:36] <Mark_M> I am only mounting two NTFS volumes on other partitions on the same machine, but I am sharing four directories
[16:36] <Pici> Hmmm..
[16:36] <Assid> they seem to be breaking more things than fixing recently
[16:37] <Mark_M> I don't yet have SAMBA fully configured and the Sharing Folders application is less than complete
[16:37] <Mark_M> Do you think that it could be the Folder Sharing application Pici?
[16:37] <Pici> Mark_M: I dont think it would do that.
[16:37] <Mark_M> Shared Folders that is
[16:38] <Mark_M> I rebooted, restared X, and relogged in multiple times yesterday since setting those up
[16:38] <Mark_M> This problem only stared late last night after installing Java, Banshee, Miro, libdvdcss2, and the w32 CODECs
[16:40] <Assid> err which is that other channel.. where all the developers are conferencing currently?
[16:40] <Pici> Assid: #ubuntu-classroom
[16:40] <Assid> you think they will listen to me if i tell them X refuses to shutdown
[16:40] <Pici> No.
[16:41] <Pici> In fact, I wouldnt join there unless you want to participate in Developers Week, thats not a general support channel.
[16:44] <heret1v> my hd died. :-/
[16:46] <heret1c> my hd died. :-/
[16:47] <Pici> heret1c: okay?
[16:47] <heret1c> pici> no.
[16:48] <Mark_M> Compiz is running but I am afraid to logout and back in
[16:52] <Assid> you know what
[16:52] <Assid> i think killing xgl was a ploy
[16:52] <Assid> to give the guys some breathing room to check all the compiz bug
[16:52] <Assid> s
[16:54] <wobbo> ok here is a compilation of screens of the compiz bug: http://www.documentjes.nl/uploads/compizbug.jpg
[16:54] <Assid> err.. openoffice hyphenation package has messed up my apt
[16:54] <Assid> and now i cant really install other stuff
[16:59] <Assid> anyone know how to circumvent this
[17:00] <heret1c> assid> my hd died. lack of DMA (probably= killed it.:-/
[17:00] <Assid> wellt
[17:01] <Assid> good chance its not dead
[17:01] <Mark_M>  Does anyone know where Gnome looks for startup scripts when someone logs in besides .profile and .bashrc?
[17:01] <Assid> is it detectable in bios?
[17:01] <Assid> oh man
[17:01] <Mark_M> Nautilus runs and terminates 8 consecutive processes everytime I login
[17:01] <Assid> java doesnt work in firefox3 .. says its installed.. i dont see crap
[17:01] <heret1c> assid> don'y have the pwd for nios.
[17:02] <Assid> nios ?
[17:02] <Assid> heret1c: whose machine are you sitting on? or did you steal it from someone ?!!?
[17:03] <heret1c> it's a laptop with a broken display. I got it for fishing out the owner's doc%settings after windoze died.
[17:03] <heret1c> tried running qtparted - won't start.
[17:04] <Assid> weird
[17:04]  * heret1c is using the hardy alpha now, btw. ironic, eh?
[17:04] <Assid> hardy broke it ?!?
[17:05] <heret1c> apparently.
[17:05] <Pici> *gasp* an alpha broke something
[17:05] <Assid> Pici: breaking software is one thing.. hardware!? quite another
[17:05] <void^> sounds unlikely
[17:05] <heret1c> pici> even alphas aren't supposed to zap metal.
[17:06] <Assid> err didnt these guys think before removing firefox2 ?
[17:06] <ubuntux> hi, i have random lockups in hardy
[17:06] <ubuntux> how can i troubleshoot them
[17:06] <Assid> hehe welcome to hardy
[17:06] <Assid> lol
[17:06] <ubuntux> i dont know whats causing it
[17:06] <Mark_M> I haven't checked but I thought both versions were on Hardy
[17:07] <Assid> i cant get jre to run on firefox 3
[17:07] <Pici> Assid: Why?
[17:08] <Assid> dunno.. it says the java6-plugin is installed
[17:08] <ubuntux> someone?
[17:08] <heret1c> nothing in /mnt
[17:08] <Assid> but i dont see it in about:plugins either
[17:08] <Assid> and i cant do anything with apt.. cause of the openoffice hyphenation package
[17:08] <Assid> so im stuck :(
[17:08] <ubuntux> Assid, remove that openoffice package
[17:09] <Assid> tried didnt let me
[17:09] <wobbo> Anyone recognizing this problem: http://www.documentjes.nl/uploads/compizbug.jpg i have had it since 7.04, and still 8.04 a4 has it. On 4 machines with Nvidia (agp and pci) 6*** and 78**
[17:09] <ubuntux> Assid, use synaptic
[17:09] <ubuntux> as root
[17:10] <Assid> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation
[17:10] <Mark_M> apparently the Java plug-in installer puts it where it expects FF to be and not where it actually is
[17:10] <Assid> and if i try to remove it.. it says i cant
[17:10] <Assid> Mark_M: FF2 was removed
[17:11] <ubuntux> assid, go to broken packages in synaptic and right click that package and select remove
[17:11] <Assid> ubuntux: doesnt show as installed shows as needs to be installed
[17:11] <ubuntux> and if you right click there?
[17:12] <Assid> ubuntux: mark for installation !?!
[17:12] <Assid> im comfortale with apt-get and that doesnt let me do squat either
[17:12] <ubuntux> strange, i did manage to remove it that way
[17:12] <Mark_M> Didn't know that Assid
[17:14] <Assid> http://assid.pastebin.com/d363f09be
[17:14] <Assid> there.. thats what i had to do to get rid of it
[17:15] <SecretLine> Assid did you search it by internet?
[17:15] <Assid> search what SecretLine?
[17:15] <SecretLine> there are some fix to it
[17:15] <Assid> i just removed it for now.. till the packages FIX themselves
[17:16] <ubuntux> thats the way :)
[17:16] <SecretLine> i prefer fix it by other way, and when the packages are fixed
[17:16] <SecretLine> remove old ones
[17:16] <Assid> nah then you gotta keep track of your changes
[17:16] <Pici> I perfer it when the developers fix the packages, rather than when they fix themselves.
[17:16] <heret1c> blast.
[17:17] <SecretLine> it will take time, so i fix it first, then i apply fixed packages from developers
[17:17] <ubuntux> so how do i troubleshoot my lockup problem?
[17:18] <void^> ff3+java works, you have to fix the java+libxcb issue though
[17:18] <Assid> say what?
[17:19] <Assid> doesnt show up in about:plugins
[17:22] <void^> well, i ln'd the plugin into ff3's plugin directory.
[17:22] <Assid> and wheres that
[17:24] <Mark_M> had to go back now
[17:24] <Mark_M> java and ff
[17:24] <Mark_M> the java plugin installer expects to put the plugins in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[17:25] <kdub> how do you downgrade back to firefox 2?
[17:25] <Mark_M> but firefox is really in /usr/lib/firfox-3.0b3
[17:25] <Assid> you dont
[17:26] <kdub> :-[
[17:26] <Mark_M> I believe that you have to move the plugins from /usr/lib/firefox/plugins to the equivalent directory under firefox-3.0b3
[17:26] <Mark_M> I have'nt tried it yet but I am going to in a minute
[17:26] <Mark_M> I am using Chatzilla so I have to logoff
[17:26] <Pici> You could always symlink them over if you want a quick fix
[17:26] <Mark_M> brb and let you know if it works
[17:26] <Mark_M> that works too
[17:27] <Mark_M> actually it is a better solution for when firefox ends up in /usr/lib
[17:27] <Mark_M>  /usr/lib/firefox that is
[17:28] <Assid> hrmm
[17:28] <Assid> they shuld fix it
[17:28] <kdub> any ideas on how to fix this then? http://imagebin.ca/view/vNsaPtH.html
[17:29] <Assid> meanwhile im stuck without language-support-en  firefox-2  mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb  openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us   language-support-translations-en  language-support-writing-en
[17:30] <Pici> I'm not sure what you're expecting, this always happens.
[17:30] <Assid> i know
[17:30] <Assid> you gotta remove all those packages
[17:30] <Pici> kdub: Whats the issue?
[17:30] <Pici> Assid: I'm just going to wait until they're fixed.
[17:30] <Assid> yeah.. same here
[17:31] <Mark_M> restarting ff to see if the symlinks worked
[17:31] <void^> with regards to ff3, i only hope they fix up that address bar dropdown.. it's extremely sluggish
[17:31] <kdub> Pici: the giant, weird text and icons
[17:32] <Pici> kdub: Right click on the toobar, go to customize and check the status of the 'use small icons' checkbox, try toggling it
[17:33] <kdub> theyre still really pixelated though
[17:34] <Assid> Pici:  does your X stop fine when you want to logout/shutdown/restart
[17:35] <Pici> Assid: I dont remember.
[17:36] <Mark_M> Well the java test completed in FF3b3 but it did not display dancing Duke
[17:36] <Mark_M> I wasn't prompted to install the plugin so I am close
[17:36] <Mark_M> I'll have to search more for an answer
[17:37] <Mark_M> I thought I was on to something
[17:37] <regel> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=687413&highlight=java+hardy
[17:37] <regel> spamzilla's post
[17:37] <regel> that did it for me
[17:39] <Mark_M> flash seems to work though
[17:42] <dfgas> is hardy still alpha?
[17:43] <Unksi> yes
[17:43] <dfgas> k
[17:43] <Unksi> alpha 4 atm
[17:51] <Mark_M> The Java plugin fix from the Ubuntu foums worked for me
[17:52] <keong> hi, can i ask ubuntu question here?
[17:52] <Mark_M> ask away
[17:53] <keong> i installed gusty at my laptop. however, my screen get in black color under startup screen. it revert to normal color after login. how to fix it?
[17:55] <Assid> im gonna wait for the packages
[17:55] <Mark_M> Do you mean that the screen goes black for a bit until everything loads after logging in?
[17:56] <Mark_M> Is the black sceen displayed before the login screen or background once the system comes up
[17:57] <keong> yes, the screen goes black at startup screen (enter username). but get into normal color after i login to system.
[17:58] <Mark_M> Ah I had this during fast user switching yesterday
[17:58] <Mark_M> You can hit <alt>-s and that will bring up your login screen
[17:58] <Mark_M> or just type your user name and password
[17:58] <Mark_M> in the black screen
[17:59] <Mark_M> There is a bug open on this issue and a workaround
[17:59] <Mark_M> let me see if I can find the work around
[17:59] <keong> the screen act will goes to normal color after login. it just weird if everytime like this :P
[18:00] <Mark_M> You want to open up /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom as root
[18:01] <Mark_M> sudo gedit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom
[18:01] <Mark_M> go to the [daemon] section and type in
[18:01] <Mark_M> AlwaysRestartServer=true
[18:01] <Mark_M> then enter a new line with
[18:01] <Mark_M> RemoteGreeter=/usr/lib/gdm/gdmgreeter
[18:02] <Mark_M> save, close gedit, and hit <ctrl><alt><bksp> to restart Xserver
[18:02] <Mark_M> that should do it
[18:02] <keong> ok i am done for this setting. will test this after this question :P
[18:02] <Mark_M> if you want search in the Hardy Developer Forum for the AlwaysRestartServer=true string to read the discussion
[18:03] <Mark_M> I am too lazy to look it up for you
[18:03] <keong> this regarding my sound. my sound will back to the loudest volume on everytime i reboot system.
[18:03] <Mark_M> That fix made it go away with my nVidia card every time I logged out
[18:03] <Mark_M> check your sound preferences
[18:04] <Mark_M> System>Preferences>Sound
[18:04] <Mark_M> set your mixer device to ALSA
[18:04] <Mark_M> open up the mixer and set the volume to the desired level
[18:04] <Mark_M> logout and back in to see if it sticks
[18:05] <keong> u mean the sound playback? or default mixer track?
[18:05] <Mark_M> Default mixer
[18:08] <Mark_M> I;m less sure on this solution
[18:09] <mrtimdog> Just having a problem with compiz and autohidden panels in gnome. They're difficult to unhide!
[18:13] <keong> hello mark. soli to tell u tat the problem still there
[18:13] <Mark_M> the sound or black screen problem
[18:14] <keong> yes
[18:14] <keong> both
[18:14] <Mark_M> darn
[18:15] <Mark_M> I wasn't so sure on the sound problem, but I had the exact same problem with the black screen
[18:16] <Mark_M> the fix I told you solved it
[18:16] <Mark_M> go into System>Administration>Login Window
[18:16] <Mark_M> Change your login screen and see if that helps...just a guess though
[18:16] <Mark_M> it doesn't hurt anything
[18:17] <Mark_M> I would remove those two lines from your gdm.conf-custom file too
[18:17] <Mark_M> since they didn't do anything
[18:17] <keong> okie. i shall give a try. thank u so much for the help :P
[18:17] <keong> appreciate it :P
[18:17] <Mark_M> no problem, I hope it helps
[18:17] <keong> i am trying to setup ubuntu at my new laptop acer 4520. seem to be quite a lot trouble :P
[18:18] <Mark_M> same here
[18:18] <keong> u use same model oso?
[18:21] <Assid> why cant the usplash use the same resolution as X does?
[18:21] <Assid> 1024x768 looks horrible for high res. monitors
[18:22] <Assid> but then if you move a higher version on a lower res.. that looks sucky
[18:22] <Assid> it should be configurable!
[18:22]  * Assid thinks its usplash (whatever the loader is)
[18:22] <Mark_M> My usplash is 1280x1024
[18:23] <Assid> which us usplash again?
[18:23] <Mark_M> I recall tweaking a config file yesterday that bumped it up.  There were only two parameters in there for X and Y resolution
[18:24] <Mark_M> I think there is a Gnome applet to change the usplash and various parameters.  Search the repository or the Gnome web site.
[18:24] <Mark_M> I had it on Gutsy but not on this Hardy installation.  I'll probably put it back on just to muck with the usplash
[18:25] <Mark_M> Does anyone know what scripts are executed after login besides .profile and .bashrc?
[18:26] <Mark_M> I need to find out why Nautilus is being executed 8 times when I login.  Sorry for asking this again.
[18:27] <Assid> where mate ?
[18:27] <Mark_M> Where what Assid?
[18:42] <Mark_M> I just got hit with 65 new updates while adding some codecs for Banshee
[18:42] <Mark_M> Was this due to a new repository being added or did Ubuntu push out a slew of updates?
[18:45] <jmi> Should I be reporting bugs like "libnet-upnp-perl has no installation candidate" yet or is it still too early in the release cycle?
[18:45] <fidelio> Hi everybody.  Any expert on Synce?
[18:46] <Assid> jmi: wait 2 days
[18:46] <jmi> Assid: Cheers
[18:47] <Assid> but thwen i could be wrong.. normally id wait 24 hours
[18:48] <Assid> err.. is this site going decently fast for you guys?
[18:48] <Assid> http://www.chinajapantraders.com/
[18:48] <Mark_M> Hey Assid have you been it with an upgrade yet?  I just was prompted to update 65 packages while adding some codecs for Banshee.
[18:48] <Assid> Mark_M: my apt was broken till this evening
[18:49] <Mark_M> Although my sources.list has not changed since about 1.5 hours ago, I am suspect that they may be from the ugly repository
[18:49] <Assid> i finally reinstalled the applications which was causing synaptic to partial update
[18:49] <fidelio> New to Linux....Started 48h ago with ubuntu 6.0.. how do yiu get your phone/device recognized on USB port?
[18:49] <Mark_M> aah
[18:49] <Assid> fidelio: and your on hardy1?!?!
[18:49] <Assid> hrmm phone.. thats something i havent figured out yet
[18:49] <Assid> we need better phone suport
[18:50] <TrXuk> G16X-51051
[18:50] <TrXuk> whoops :P
[18:50] <Pici> fidelio: Is there a reason you are using Hardy? Its not meant for new users
[18:50] <Assid> Mark_M: oh man 106 updates here :(
[18:50] <Raspberry> and my sound still doesn't work :p
[18:50] <Mark_M> ah they did push out an update
[18:50] <Assid> 10 mins more of my life gone waste
[18:50] <jmi> Assid: Site seems fast enough to me, if a little light on content
[18:50] <Assid> jmi: cool thanks
[18:50] <fidelio> what is meant for new user then?
[18:50] <Mark_M> must be alpha 5 or beta 1
[18:50] <Assid> yeah still under development
[18:50] <Mark_M> maybe the Nautilus fix will be in
[18:50] <Raspberry> fidelio: Ubuntu Gutsy 7.10
[18:50] <Assid> "maybe"
[18:51] <fidelio> 6.0, 7.0, 8.0 don't cross talk?
[18:51] <fidelio> different OS?
[18:51]  * Assid changed the way he codes
[18:51] <Raspberry> fidelio: they do ... but they don't share the same software versions
[18:51] <Mark_M> Assid to you use Banshee?
[18:52] <Pici> fidelio: 8.04 is is in alpha status right now, its not ready for end-user use.
[18:52] <Mark_M> Hell it isn't read for us to use it
[18:52] <Assid> Mark_M: nope
[18:52] <Pici> fidelio: I suggest you install 7.10 if you want the latest version.
[18:52] <Raspberry> nope, it's not... my sound still doesn't work :P
[18:52] <Raspberry> I might reinstall :)  Just because sound WAS working in Alpha4 :P
[18:52] <Mark_M> I love being on the bleeding edge
[18:52] <Assid> who doesnt!
[18:53] <Assid> for a desktop .. bleeding edge rocks
[18:53] <Assid> for servers.. well.. not really
[18:53] <Mark_M> just curious because Banshee doesn't see to owrk for me
[18:53] <fidelio> Thanks Pici...what's wrong with 6.0? and how do I upgrade to 7.0 without loosing my stuff?
[18:53] <Assid> Mark_M: dont listen to much music.. rhythmbox otherwise
[18:53] <Pici> fidelio: What version are you running now?
[18:53] <Assid> i should load it up
[18:53] <Raspberry> fidelio: you've only been on Linux for 2 days -- how much "stuff" do you have?
[18:53] <Mark_M> Rythmbox works
[18:53] <Mark_M> time to update
[18:53] <fidelio> didn't sleep in 48h
[18:53] <Assid> yeah i got mine updating as we speak
[18:54] <Mark_M> funny that the updates hit as I was adding codecs to Banshee
[18:54]  * Raspberry is updating here too
[18:54] <fidelio> pici 6.0
[18:54] <Raspberry> 6.0
[18:54] <Assid> you guys are eating my bandwith!
[18:54] <Raspberry> ?
[18:54] <Pici> fidelio: Then you'd have to upgrade to 6.10 then 7.04 then 7.10.
[18:54] <Raspberry> fidelio: from the command line do a update-manager -d
[18:54] <Pici> !upgrade | fidelio
[18:54] <Raspberry> right?
[18:54] <ubotu> fidelio: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:54] <Raspberry> yeah, read that ^^^
[18:55] <Pici> fidelio: Regular support is in #ubuntu not #ubuntu+1
[18:55] <Assid> any of you guys do j2me development?
[18:55] <fidelio> ok Pici...
[18:55] <Mark_M> hope my nautilus startup problem goes away
[18:56] <Assid> if you really want to find bugs. give me 20 mins with a box. i;ll crash it in atleast 5 different ways
[18:56] <Assid> lol
[18:56] <Raspberry> I'm having interesting Video latency issues :)
[18:56] <mEck0> Hi! when I close my laptop lid or something like that which sends acpi events, X crashes and I can
[18:56] <Assid> Raspberry: put off your monitor.. problem solved
[18:56] <Mark_M> Bloody Banshee
[18:56] <mEck0> opps, dont finished, ... and I can't do anything
[18:56] <Raspberry> once a screen saver kicks on ... or I run the machine for an hour ... moving windows and scrolling in firefox gets really choppy... and I have Visual Effects set to NONE
[18:57] <Assid> anyone here tried to work a trendnet TEW-424UB ?
[18:57] <Mark_M> Maybe the new ubuntu-docs will say 8.04 now
[18:57] <Raspberry> aren't they supposed to be in a feature freeze this week?
[18:57] <Raspberry> starting this week
[18:58] <Mark_M> That's why they pushed out these changes to give us time to bang on them
[18:58] <Raspberry> yeah but they gotta start fixing things :P  not breaking Other things ;)
[18:58] <Assid> haha
[18:58] <Assid> good luck
[18:58] <Assid> im still waitin for my X to shut down without me requiring to CTRL ALT backspace
[18:58] <Raspberry> I know that's why I moved up to 8.04 ... because they flagged MESA library issues as WONT FIX in 7.10
[18:58] <Pici> Lots of KDE updates... I don't even use KDE....
[18:59] <Mark_M> hence the reason for the content freeze
[18:59] <Assid> anytone else have this issue
[18:59] <Raspberry> Assid: maybe you have a stuck app
[18:59] <Mark_M> I moved for the new sound system and hope that they would fix the quickcam drivers
[18:59] <Pici> Assid: I actually couldn't use ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X, it would just hang.
[18:59] <Mark_M> still applying changes
[18:59] <Mark_M> about half done
[19:00] <Raspberry> 75% done with applying pdates here
[19:00] <Mark_M> new kernel means I have to rebuild it with my tweaked drivers
[19:00] <Raspberry> I didn't see a new kernel
[19:00] <Raspberry> -8 isn't it?
[19:00] <Raspberry> that's been out for at least 24hrs already
[19:01] <Mark_M> looks like new nvidia drivers too
[19:01] <Raspberry> -8 is what broke my audio drivers :)
[19:01] <Mark_M> fix for the GLX_EXT issue?
[19:02] <Raspberry> update is done
[19:02] <Mark_M> reboot?
[19:02] <Raspberry> 77 packages .. and it's not recommending a reboot
[19:02] <Mark_M> strange
[19:02] <Raspberry> yeah
[19:02] <Mark_M> I will have to at least restart X
[19:03] <Raspberry> I think I'll use some of my windows instincts and reboot anyway
[19:03] <Assid> there are nvidia updates?
[19:03] <Raspberry> I have an intel card
[19:03] <Mark_M> actually reboot with new nvidia drivers
[19:03] <Mark_M> yeah nvidia-new
[19:03] <Raspberry> I'll have to reboot and then build the new alsa modules
[19:03] <Raspberry> bbiab
[19:03] <Mark_M> see ya
[19:03] <Raspberry> i k now you can't wait until I'm back :p
[19:04] <Mark_M> HOpefully you will be back soon
[19:04] <Mark_M> Last time this happened I had to rebuild
[19:04] <Mark_M> but then again I had a USB device fail in the middle of the upgrade
[19:04] <Assid> mines applying the new updates now
[19:05] <Mark_M> I'm still unpacking debs
[19:05] <Assid> 50% done
[19:05] <Assid> 106 packages
[19:05] <Assid> 60
[19:06] <Mark_M> better start shutting down some apps upgrade slowing
[19:07] <Raspberry> nope sound is still broken :P
[19:15] <tdoggette> I'm running Hardy x64 of the repository, and I've got no java applet support. What's the best way to get this working?
[19:38] <kbrooks> are there any new features in 8.04
[19:39] <mnemonic_> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[19:40] <mnemonic_> Some more here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy
[19:43] <mnemonic_> I can't partition my system using the Ubuntu installer (or no parted based system for that matter) because parted only says 'Error: Can't have overlapping partitions.'. fdisk works fine, fdisk -l output here: http://nopaste.php-quake.net/17269
[19:47] <mnemonic_> My hardy installation doesn't boot without acpi=off, while my gutsy did just fine without it - there is a bug filed about it, however with acpi=off my network card isn't recognized. Any hints?
[19:51] <Assid> man
[19:51] <Assid> i wish they will fix the crazy lcd issues
[19:51] <Assid> my brightness goes up and down like a yoyo
[19:59] <Lumooja> is there a specific forum where i search for reported bugs, so i dont' report them twice?
[19:59] <Assid> !bugs
[19:59] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[20:00] <Lumooja> k thanks
[20:01] <swpalmer> Some recent update has broken printing for me (both to my printer and PDF files) .. jobs just end up in "Stopped" state and I don't know why.  Where should I look for clues?
[20:02] <Pici> Is there anything in /var/log/cups/ ?
[20:03] <swpalmer> Ah, yes.. error_log states "Job stopped due to filter errors."
[20:03] <Assid> damn
[20:03] <swpalmer> "PID 7150 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstops) stopped with status 1!"
[20:03] <Assid> i got a pdf file which i created by printing to cups/pdf
[20:04] <Assid> and now a person on windows cant see that pdf
[20:04] <swpalmer> "PID 7148 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftops) stopped with status 1!"
[20:04] <Assid> anyone know whats up why they cant see it?
[20:16] <jmi> Assid: Can you read the PDF (i.e. do you know it printed properly)?
[20:16] <Assid> jmi: on my machine.. which made the pdf yes
[20:17] <Assid> i was gonna try it on my laptop.. but the desktop is off now
[20:18] <jmi> Hmmn. Don't have any Windows boxes handy, but I'm using a Mac just now. I can take a look if you want?
[20:19] <Assid> dont have the file atm.. its on my desktop
[20:19] <jmi> Ahh, OK
[20:22] <PulsatingQuasar> hey
[20:23] <PulsatingQuasar> what happend to compiz?
[20:24] <Assid> what abt it ?
[20:24] <Assid> jmi between the mac and linux box. which one do you personally prefer?
[20:26] <PulsatingQuasar> is there an intermediary solution to get it going again?
[20:29] <jmi> Assid: Umm, neither. Both are UNIX-y, so I'm happy with either.
[20:30] <jmi> Got 2 desktops (the G4 I'm using just now) and a Shuttle running 8.04a that I'm trying to get Myth running on
[20:30] <Razor21> hi, i've got a slight problem with Hardy and power management (perhaps related to anacron)
[20:31] <Razor21> even if the AC is connected, the kernel thinks the battery is discharging
[20:31] <Razor21> anybody with the same problem, or does it comes from my laptop?
[20:31] <Pici> Razor21: I havent had that problem on my ThinkPad.
[20:33] <Razor21> I keep getting this in my syslog :
[20:33] <Razor21> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56541/
[20:37] <Raspberry> ok
[20:37] <Raspberry> so I fixed my sound problem
[20:38] <Raspberry> whatever the hardy alsa updates were totally thrashed my sound card
[20:38] <Raspberry> it wouldn't play sound AT AL
[20:38] <Raspberry> At aLL...  reboots wouldn't fix it -- nothing ....  So I booted off the alpha4 live CD that I knew had worked...
[20:38] <Raspberry> it didn't work anymore either
[20:38] <MagicFab> Using Hardy a4, can't find "Connet to server..." in nautilus. Where has it gone ?
[20:39] <nemo> MagicFab: hardy is ditching gnomevfs
[20:39] <nemo> thank god
[20:39] <Raspberry> so I tested the audio cable... it worked with my stereo... I tested the speakers -- they worked... so I booted into windows just to see if the hardware had failed...
[20:39] <Raspberry> the sound worked in windows...  I booted back into Linux and sound worked again
[20:39] <Raspberry> I've NEVER seen that behavior before
[20:39] <nemo> MagicFab: well, more like *gnome* is ditching gnomevfs ;)
[20:40] <Raspberry> I've probably build alsa modules and rebooted about 15-20 times in the last 12 hours
[20:41]  * nemo shrugs
[20:41] <nemo> glad you got it working.
[20:41] <nemo> Raspberry: did you file a bug with your HW combo?
[20:41] <MagicFab> nemo, tx. Now I remember seing that fly by me.  Too bad that GUI is gone too
[20:41] <Raspberry> I have to look through the existing 1400 bugs and see if it already exists
[20:43] <nemo> MagicFab: well, it never worked right, so I'm not sorry
[20:43] <nemo> there does need to be a good gui though
[20:44] <MagicFab> nemo, ssh:// works just fine for me - and yes, it's much better :)
[20:44] <nemo> MagicFab: Samba over gnomevfs was the worst of the bunch IMO
[20:44] <nemo> ssh was usable.
[20:50] <murshed> hi
[21:02] <nemo> MagicFab: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=509600
[21:02] <ubotu> Gnome bug 509600 in general "Need network: backend implementation" [Major,New]
[21:02] <nemo> MagicFab: that one mildly annoys me
[21:04] <Assid> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/python-apt_0.7.4ubuntu5_i386.deb: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[21:04] <Assid>  
[21:06] <nemo> hm. I wish linking to remote dirs was more convenient too
[21:06] <nemo> Assid: that isn't going to be useful without the info before :)
[21:06] <nanonyme> what's up with Hardy?
[21:08] <wobbo> the compiz bug i refered to earlyer (http://www.documentjes.nl/uploads/compizbug.jpg) has to do with the human theme, all other themes don't have this problem.
[21:09] <nemo> hm. I created a link on desktop to ssh://server/home/nemo
[21:10] <nemo> when I doubleclick on it, it 1) creates a mount of of sftp://server/  (the root dir, not /home/nemo)
[21:10] <nemo> 2) crashes when I close the nautilus window that pops up to /home/nemo
[21:10] <nemo> interesting
[21:10] <Assid> it aint updated nemo
[21:10] <nemo> ... kills nautilus I mean
[21:10] <Assid> packages being updated apparently
[21:10] <Assid> nanonyme: explain?
[21:11] <nemo> Assid: yeeeeeah. and why it hasn't updated would be related to some prior error probably :-p
[21:11] <nemo> which one would need the full log for
[21:11] <nanonyme> Assid, i was just asking: are there any issues with it
[21:11] <nanonyme> currently
[21:11] <nanonyme> known issues
[21:11] <Assid> nemo: didnt know apt logs :|
[21:11] <scizzo-> don't think that ssh://server/home/nemo/ is the right syntax really. You should try to use ssh://username@server:/home/nemo/
[21:12] <Assid> nanonyme: new updates rolled out..so i guess give it a day or 2
[21:12] <scizzo-> or something like that
[21:12] <nanonyme> ah
[21:12] <nanonyme> Assid, yeah, i was mostly asking about the current status :)
[21:14] <Assid> http://assid.pastebin.com/m34e69598
[21:14] <Assid> here you go
[21:14] <Assid> brbr
[21:14] <Assid> nemo: check that url
[21:14] <Assid> brb
[21:16] <nemo> looks like I just ran into this error, myself...
[21:16] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gvfs/+bug/187200
[21:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187200 in gvfs "gvfsd-sftp crashed with SIGSEGV in g_data_input_stream_read_line()" [Medium,Triaged]
[21:17] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-central/+bug/85860
[21:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85860 in python-central "Update crash in packages python2.5" [Low,Invalid]
[21:17] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> the new update-manager update give me error:  /var/cache/apt/archives/python-apt_0.7.4ubuntu5_i386.deb: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[21:17] <nemo> oh. Assid disappeared
[21:19] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> why it's invalid?
[21:22] <nemo> that bug?
[21:23] <nemo> yeah, was tagged invalid for another reason
[21:23] <nemo> seemed like a similar bug though
[21:23] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> nemo, i couldn't updgrade anything do to that error
[21:24] <nemo> oh. um. you're Assid?
[21:24] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> once pycentral broke, update-manager breaks
[21:25] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> no
[21:25] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> Assid is a name?
[21:26] <Assid> heya
[21:27] <Assid> okay .. seriously.. the loads on my lappy stays too high even just for compiz
[21:27] <Assid> and if i access the appearance preferances, cpu goes nuts
[21:29] <nemo> Assid: ah. you're back
[21:29] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> Assid, u sure there is nothing else cause that?
[21:29] <nemo> Assid: someone here with same prob I think
[21:29] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i do
[21:29] <nemo> crimsun_: heh. python-central ?
[21:29] <Assid> [Gutsy]TuTUXG: the appearance preferances has  eaten full cpu since a longggg time
[21:30] <Assid> maybe 3 weeks
[21:30] <Assid> or more
[21:30] <Assid> 5611 root      20   0  160m  67m 8640 S  7.7  8.9   1:55.57 Xorg
[21:30] <crimsun_> nemo: yes, the latest merge is broken.  As a result, everything using the new Python policy that relies on it is broken.
[21:30] <nemo> crimsun_: is that what these people are running into ?
[21:30] <Assid> nemo: yeah
[21:30] <crimsun_> nemo: with bzr, update-manager, etc.?  Yes.
[21:31] <Assid> too much cpu usage :(
[21:31] <nemo> crimsun_: well, Assid linked to a log with "ValueError: error parsing Python-Version attribute
[21:31] <nemo> "
[21:35] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> and wine is broken too?
[21:35] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> this is great
[21:36] <nemo> [Gutsy]TuTUXG: oh. you got that segfault too?
[21:37] <nemo> good thing I don't actually use wine
[21:37] <Assid> i do actually
[21:37] <Assid> wine has been broken for a while now
[21:37] <Assid> 3-4 days the very least
[21:37] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> nemo, yes
[21:38] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> nemo, wondering if i install the gutsy verion from winehq would work
[21:39] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i just wanna test a new game to see if it works with wine
[21:39] <nemo> haven't found anything worth using Wine for yet..
[21:40] <mEck0> I got an error while trying to update a package from Update Manager. The package is openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us, and the error message is: "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation"
[21:40] <nemo> I'm happy enough with linux games
[21:40] <Assid> games?
[21:40] <nemo> Assid: what else do you use wine for? :)
[21:40] <Assid> apps
[21:41] <nemo> like?
[21:41] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> mEck0, download that package manually and use dpkg -i force to install it
[21:41] <Assid> dreamweaver/flashfxp/etc.
[21:41] <nemo> ah.
[21:41] <nemo> dreamweaver is a PIA
[21:41] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i use wine for games only
[21:41] <Assid> pia?
[21:41] <nemo> but I suppose if I had to do flash I'd want the official gui
[21:41] <nemo> thankfully I don't
[21:41] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> like warhammer
[21:41] <nemo> Assid: Pain in the Ass - generates crap HTML and has an overblown gui to boot
[21:41] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> use vbox for other stuff p)
[21:42] <Assid> nah.. its nice
[21:42] <nemo> Assid: my web designer coworker uses it as a glorified text editor which is about all it is good for
[21:42] <nemo> and he still had to muck about with it to keep it from turning XHTML page attributes into camelcase
[21:43] <nemo> Assid: a good text editor with syntax highlighting and maybe maybe autocomplete is quite superior to dreamweaver
[21:43] <nemo> I prefer gvim - but some people like using Eclipse web tools
[21:43] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> how do i solve :dpkg: status database area is locked by another process ?
[21:43] <Assid> i need my gui editing
[21:43] <nemo> Assid: oh god. that's the worst part of dreamweaver :(
[21:44] <nemo> Assid: oh well, nvu and eclipse both have gui editing
[21:44] <nemo> and do about as good a job as dreamweaver. that is, not well
[21:44] <Assid> depends on the person
[21:44] <Assid> nah
[21:44] <nemo> [Gutsy]TuTUXG: kill the other process? :)
[21:44] <mEck0> [Gutsy]TuTUXG, is the "hyphen 2.3.orig.tar.gz" from http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/text/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us the one I need?
[21:44] <nemo> Assid: person doesn't help if the tool generates tag soup
[21:44] <Assid> i tried nvu.. has alot of things mssing
[21:45] <Assid> as for the bloated tags? which ones?
[21:45] <nemo> Assid: I didn't try it 'cause best HTML tool is a text editor :)
[21:45] <Assid> i dont see no bloated stuff
[21:45] <nemo> Assid: bloated tags? I didn't say bloated
[21:45] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> mEck0, not that, the deb from launchpad
[21:45] <nemo> where'd you get word bloated from?
[21:45] <nemo> Assid: generates *crap* layout
[21:46] <nemo> Assid: bad semantics, div/table happy, the camelcase attribute thing in XHTML was annoying - what was also annoying was there was no provision for switching between the two in dreamweaver
[21:46] <nemo> Assid: you get better results working below surface, and anyway most stuff these days is a template - you only write it once
[21:46] <Assid> hrm
[21:46] <Assid> i dont like templating engines
[21:46] <Assid> too much overheads
[21:46] <Assid> but i do something similar to it tho
[21:47] <Assid> naywyas. brb
[21:47] <mEck0> [Gutsy]TuTUXG, do you mean the whole openoffice package? because I can't find a package for just the broken package I need on Launchpad
[21:48] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> mEck0, ok give me a second i find the link for u
[21:49] <Mark_M> broken computer
[21:50] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> it's under your /var/cache/apt/archives/ mEck0,
[21:51] <mEck0> [Gutsy]TuTUXG, ok. should I just run sudo dpkg -i force install "packagename" from there?
[21:51] <Solarion> mmm.  borked packages
[21:51] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb mEck0
[21:51] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> ya, u can do that
[21:51] <mEck0> yeah ok, that was what I was thinking of, thx, will try it now
[21:52] <Mark_M> I don't have any desktop icons or no menu when I right click.  Is there some program that should be running that provides these features?
[21:52] <Mark_M> When I was hit with 65 updates today, update-manager didn't fuss over the hypyenatiion package
[21:54] <Mark_M> Will "sudo rm -rf *" fix everything?
[21:54] <mEck0> [Gutsy]TuTUXG, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56553/
[21:54] <Mark_M> Or is 'mv life >/dev/null' better?
[21:55] <Mark_M> take out the > and replace it with a space
[21:55] <Mark_M> This package has been broken for a while, it is a known problem
[21:56] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> mEck0, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4339831&postcount=4
[21:56] <mEck0> [Gutsy]TuTUXG, thx will try
[21:57] <Mark_M> What happens when you go to Places>Desktop?
[21:58] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> Mark_M, it opens a nautilus window of you ~/Desktop folder
[22:01] <mEck0> [Gutsy]TuTUXG, it seems that its working now. I'm just waiting for some new packages to download. Thx a lot!
[22:02] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> np
[22:03] <mEck0> Anyway, does anyone know why they decided to not include openoffice-database with hardy? or is it just temporarily because they are working on it?
[22:06] <Andre_Gondim> [Gutsy]TuTUXG, http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=11
[22:06] <Andre_Gondim> mEck0, http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=11 this can solve your problem
[22:07] <mEck0> Andre_Gondim, I think its fixed now (will se when the other packages and downloaded..), but thx anyway!
[22:08] <Andre_Gondim> mEck0, :D
[22:13] <LimCore> why ubuntu sucks?
[22:13] <LimCore> about security?
[22:13]  * LimCore just r00ted his box
[22:13] <LimCore> shouldnt the new kernel fix user to root vmsplice exploit?
[22:15] <crimsun_> which new kernel?  The one that was just uploaded (2.6.24-9.15)?
[22:16]  * danielm updating
[22:19] <crimsun_> heh, it hasn't even built yet, so unless you plan on {p,s}building it yourself...
[22:21] <Tuv0k> updates are borked
[22:24] <Tuv0k> http://pastebin.com/d46a642c6
[22:25] <Tuv0k> never seen anything like it
[22:25] <crimsun_> see the topic.
[22:25] <crimsun_> hint, it's bug 192992.
[22:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192992 in python-central "[hardy] pycentral crashed with ValueError in parse_versions()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192992
[22:26] <crimsun_> here, I'll make it painfully clear.
[22:27] <Tuv0k> sorry
[22:37] <RyanPrior> Any clue when is gvfs getting support for networking?
[22:37] <crimsun_> hah!
[22:37] <crimsun_> python-apt is unconditionally specifying that it needs a byte-compile for Python 2.4
[22:38] <RyanPrior> Is that why Python is crashing all the time with these new updates?
[22:38] <crimsun_> see topic.
[22:38] <crimsun_> I'm looking into it while I'm waiting for the train
[22:43] <crimsun_> which, well, of course will fail because neither python2.4-minimal nor python2.4 are seeded by default in Hardy.
[22:43] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> crimsun_, any workaround?
[22:44] <crimsun_> for python-apt, yes.
[22:44] <crimsun_> install python2.4, which will pull in python2.4-minimal as well and allow python-apt to install
[22:44] <crimsun_> ^Wconfigure
[22:46] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i have both python2.4 and python2.4-minmal installed already
[22:57] <heret1c> back
[22:57] <heret1c> still online?!
[22:58] <heret1c> ye gods and little fishes
[23:09] <crimsun_> [Gutsy]TuTUXG: it doesn't resolve update-manager*, as implied above.
[23:10] <crimsun_> [Gutsy]TuTUXG: it only affects python-apt
[23:35] <rsk> hey i think my locales broke
[23:35] <rsk> i can't write swedish charcters anymore, only in firefox.
[23:37] <rsk> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[23:37] <rsk> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[23:37] <rsk> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[23:37] <rsk> 8<
[23:37] <rsk> how do i reconfigure my locales?
[23:37] <rsk> or fix them somehow
[23:38] <sn0> rsk try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[23:38] <rsk> ok
[23:39] <sn0> anyone else using today's daily? it has been sitting at 82% "scanning the mirror" for a while now
[23:42] <rsk> ok that fixed it.
[23:42] <rsk> thanks
[23:42] <sn0> nps
[23:44] <sn0> there we go, disconnected cable and plugged it back in, working now
[23:47] <Dr_willis> hit it with a hammer