[01:33] <mon^rch> need help with manually editing my t-bird profile and adding the news server (program bugged and wont add it via gui) ubuntu feisty
[01:34] <mon^rch> which file do I edit please?
[09:02] <asac> hi
[09:29] <[reed]> woo, my new laptop will be here today
[09:38] <asac> great!
[09:38] <asac> [reed]: what kind?
[09:39] <[reed]> ThinkPad X61
[09:39] <[reed]> portable laptop to go with my current ThinkPad T60p
[09:42] <[reed]> asac: ^
[09:46] <asac> sounds great
[09:46] <asac> what screen resolution?
[09:52] <[reed]> not sure yet
[09:52] <[reed]> I'll find out when I get it!
[11:38] <hellboy195> asac: norsetto said maybe it's a sync if the buid dep on ff isn't necessary
[11:39] <asac> hellboy195: what about the gtk deprecated patch? i stha tin debian as well?
[11:39] <hellboy195> asac: yep
[11:39] <hellboy195> asac: otherwise we couldn't say it's maybe a sync ^^
[11:40] <asac> anyway, iceweasel provides x-www-browser as well ... the dependency exists just as an explicit tie-break rule afaik
[11:40] <asac> i would keep the diff
[11:41] <hellboy195> asac: cool, thx for you help :)
[11:41] <asac> np
[11:45] <hellboy195> Thanks again and bye @ all :)
[18:23] <Ubulette> hi
[18:28] <asac> hi
[18:28]  * asac out shopping
[18:56] <asac> back for a while
[20:27] <Ubulette> Failed to fetch http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  MD5Sum mismatch
[20:27] <Ubulette> Failed to fetch http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/dists/hardy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  MD5Sum mismatch
[20:27] <Ubulette> Failed to fetch http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/dists/hardy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  MD5Sum mismatch
[20:28] <Ubulette> retrying...
[20:38] <Ubulette> good
[20:44] <Ubulette> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/4731/
[20:44] <Ubulette> (just FYI)
[21:03] <asac> Ubulette: which commit?
[21:04] <asac> Fix for bug 403240 - threads hanging in nss_InitLock . r=wtc,nelson
[21:04] <asac> mozilla bug 403240
[21:04] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 403240 in Libraries "threads hanging in nss_InitLock" [Major,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403240
[21:06] <asac> wow that looks like a glitch
[21:10] <asac> hmm ... was secoid_init present in nss 3.11?
[21:22] <Ubulette> just look at the diff. it was in b3
[21:25] <asac> 3.11 ;)
[21:27] <Ubulette> ?
[21:27] <asac> i was wondering if that symbol was in 3.11
[21:28] <asac> or if that is just 3.12 development noise
[21:28] <Ubulette> i guess the later
[21:28] <asac> i hope so :)
[21:32] <[reed]> so
[21:32] <[reed]> I have my new laptop
[21:32] <[reed]> should I try Hardy, or am I better off with Gutsy for now?
[21:34] <asac> i'd say hardy
[21:34] <asac> latest daily CD ;9
[21:34] <[reed]> why?
[21:34] <[reed]> give me a good reason :)
[21:34] <asac> dunno ... i think there is ffox 3 on it ;)
[21:35] <[reed]> I don't use your firefox anyway :p
[21:35] <asac> nevertheless, otherwise you get firefox 2 ;)
[21:35] <[reed]> your firefox is the first thing to go
[21:35] <[reed]> :)
[21:35] <[reed]> replaced with my local copy
[21:36] <asac> thats a bad start ;)
[21:37] <asac> its good to rest half a day after install and honour the pure distribution feeling
[21:37] <asac> then move on
[21:38] <[reed]> lol
[21:38] <asac> start messing around
[21:39] <Ubulette> i'd go for hardy too. why would you want an obsolete desktop on your brand new hardware ?
[21:39] <Ubulette> hm bzr broken :(
[21:40] <Ubulette> http://paste.ubuntu.com/4737/
[21:40] <asac> Ubulette: you should use bzr.dev branch ;)
[21:40] <Ubulette> it's my bot
[21:40] <asac> the package is frequently an annoyance ;)
[21:41] <[reed]> I just don't want to be screwed
[21:41] <[reed]> by some hardy problem
[21:41] <asac> [reed]: use livecd ... if that works, then install most likely will be good as well
[21:51] <asac> [reed]: so what screen solution do you have?
[21:52] <[reed]> looks like 1024x768, but that doesn't seem right... it's a 12.1" screen
[21:53] <Ubulette> that's small
[21:53] <[reed]> well, it's supposed to be my portable laptop
[21:53] <[reed]> :)
[21:53] <[reed]> I have my large 15" ThinkPad T60p if I want 1600x1200
[21:54] <asac> i 1024x768 is the default for think pads (12 inch)
[21:54] <asac> thats why i am still not sure ;)
[21:54] <asac> there are 12 inch laptops with 1280x860 ?? or something like that
[22:24] <jcastro> my hp has 1280x860 or whatever
[22:25] <jcastro> the thinkpad X series are the ones stuck on 1024x768. :(
[22:29] <Ubulette> asac, did you ask for daily builds in ppa ?
[22:34] <Lisetare> Hi i am sorry to bother you with my question, but i couldn't find solution for my problem. I don't have any sound during surfing net, for example in youtube - video plays without sound. I have installed restricted extras package and flashplayer. What could be my problem?
[22:35] <asac> Lisetare: does your sound work at all?
[22:35] <Lisetare> yup, in all other programs sound works great (ogg and mp3 and any other possible formats)
[22:36] <asac> Ubulette: i don't think i have .... added to my whiteboard TODO list again
[22:36] <asac> Lisetare: start firefox from the command line ... maybe you see some errors that give a hint
[22:36] <Lisetare> ok let me try
[22:38] <Lisetare> nothing, it just open firefox and nothing else
[22:39] <Lisetare> also i've tried to reinstall flash plug-in by terminal - it also didn't help
[22:40] <asac> no idea then ... try #ubuntu or the forums. they are more focussed on user support and might be aware of more corner cases where this happens.
[22:41] <Lisetare> have tried #ubuntu, they have no clue. ok maybe in forum someone will help.
[22:42] <cheguevara> search the forums
[22:42] <asac> yeah content on forum sticks a bit longer on radar
[22:42] <cheguevara> its a common problem for flashto have no sound
[22:42] <cheguevara> *flash to
[22:42] <Ubulette> looks like the device is busy (either /dev/audio or /dev/dsp).
[22:42] <Ubulette> do you use esd ?
[22:42] <asac> yeah, but busy device would be dumped to terminal afaik
[22:42] <Ubulette> btw, is it hardy or gutsy ?
[22:42] <Lisetare> 7.10
[22:43] <Ubulette> ok so esound is still used. try to "killall esd" and restart firefox
[22:43] <Lisetare> when i use alsa - it says device is busy but it affects all system. so i chose AD 198x analog
[22:44] <Lisetare> it says process wasn't killed
[22:44] <Ubulette> hm, if you start it (esd), does it help ?
[22:45] <Ubulette> i mean, start esd before ff
[22:45] <asac> esd never did anything good for me
[22:46] <Lisetare> no :(
[22:46] <asac> and you don't have sound server enabled in sound config?
[22:46] <Ubulette> depends a lot on the sound card. some don't even need sound daemons as they are able to share in h/w
[22:47] <asac> last i heard is that esd it complete crap
[22:47] <asac> we only keep it for some obscure reason
[22:47] <Lisetare> i don't know what is sound server :( i am blonde in linux completely
[22:47] <asac> Lisetare: in sound config
[22:47] <asac> system -> preferences -> sound
[22:48] <asac> there is a tab "Sound" ... ther is checkbox that enables sound server (in hardy it reads: Enable sofware sound mixing (ESD))
[22:48] <asac> i think in gutsy it should read different
[22:48] <Lisetare> it is on there
[22:48] <asac> maybe disable it then
[22:48] <asac> and restart X (relogin)
[22:49] <asac> maybe it even works without relogin
[22:49] <Lisetare> no :( again doesn't help
[22:49] <Lisetare> relogin... ok let me try
[22:51] <Lisetare> no it doesn't help :( also i forget to say - sometimes firefox stops even when i start to play any sound in web
[22:52] <Ubulette> what does this command gives you ? lsof -np `pidof firefox` | grep dev
[22:53] <Lisetare> lsof: no process ID specified
[22:53] <Lisetare> lsof 4.78
[22:53] <Lisetare>  latest revision: ftp://lsof.itap.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/lsof/
[22:53] <Lisetare>  latest FAQ: ftp://lsof.itap.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/lsof/FAQ
[22:53] <Lisetare>  latest man page: ftp://lsof.itap.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/lsof/lsof_man
[22:54] <asac> firefox-bin
[22:54] <cheguevara> you can try this
[22:54] <cheguevara> sudo aptitude install alsa-oss
[22:54] <cheguevara> sudo gedit /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[22:55] <cheguevara> and then put FIREFOX_DSP=”aoss” in there
[22:55] <cheguevara> might need to log out and log back in or reboot
[22:56] <Lisetare> without logging out it didn't help
[22:57] <cheguevara> yeah you might need to reboot or log out
[22:58] <Lisetare> щл цуте ащк куищщештп
[22:58] <Lisetare> ok went for rebooting
[22:58] <Lisetare> (sorry)
[22:58] <cheguevara> cyrillic :)
[22:58] <Lisetare> yup
[22:58] <cheguevara> you russian?
[22:58] <Lisetare> da
[22:58] <Lisetare> yes i mean :)
[22:58] <cheguevara> yasno :P
[22:59] <Lisetare> in russian channel nobody help and all clever russian sit here :)
[22:59] <cheguevara> Lisetare, zvuka tol'ko vo flashe net ili voobshe vo vsem browsere?
[23:00] <Lisetare> tolko vo fleshe
[23:00] <cheguevara> Lisetare, yasno, perezagruzis' poprobui, potom posmotrim
[23:00] <Lisetare> ok
[23:01] <cheguevara> personallyall my sound on hardy disappeared with one of the kernel updates
[23:02] <cheguevara> completely...
[23:05] <asac> Lisetare: if flashplugin-nonfree package doesn't work, you can also try mozilla-plugin-gnash :)
[23:05] <Lisetare> woow thanks it helped :) thanks-thanks-thanks
[23:05] <cheguevara> :P
[23:05] <asac> thats not perfect, but maybe youtube woirks then :)
[23:05] <asac> Lisetare: what did you do?
[23:05] <cheguevara> not perfect is an under-estimation :P
[23:05] <Lisetare> everything i need works :) thanks a lot.
[23:06] <Lisetare> i did those commands... changed in firefox none to alsa or something like this... even i didn't understand good what i did
 sudo gedit /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
 and then put FIREFOX_DSP=”aoss” in there
 might need to log out and log back in or reboot
[23:06] <cheguevara> this :P
[23:07] <Lisetare> exactly :D
[23:07] <asac> ah
[23:07] <cheguevara> and <cheguevara> sudo aptitude install alsa-oss         before that
[23:07] <asac> ok
[23:07] <asac> who needs sound ;)
[23:07] <Lisetare> alsa oss was installed though
[23:07] <asac> Lisetare: maybe that was the initial reason then?
[23:07] <asac> oss is deprecated
[23:07] <asac> or is it installed by default?
[23:07] <cheguevara> asac, but things will use alsa directly by default
[23:07] <cheguevara> so having it installed changes nothing
[23:08] <cheguevara> but on some computers it helps when firefox uses alsa's oss compatibility layer
[23:08] <cheguevara> for some reason
[23:08] <asac> yeah ... maybe flash doesn't even work with alsa
[23:08] <asac> would be in line ;)
[23:08] <Lisetare> i installed ubuntu yesterday and i don't know why at first it didn't want to look for packages in repositariums
[23:08] <Lisetare> so at first i installed many packages by myself
[23:08] <asac> ah ok
[23:09] <Lisetare> well anyway thanks. Sorry for bothering you
[23:09] <Lisetare> wish i ever knew linux as much as you do
[23:09] <Lisetare> :)
[23:09] <cheguevara> np :P
[23:10] <cheguevara> thanks for trying to fix your problems and not giving up like some do :P
[23:10] <Lisetare> well... it is kinda my dream now to be first blonde who learn ubuntu :D
[23:10] <cheguevara> haha
[23:11] <cheguevara> we don't get many girls around here anyway :P
[23:11] <Lisetare> i want to work in telecom company, it is actually my specialty, but everywhere they need experience with gnu/*nix
[23:12] <cheguevara> ah right
[23:12] <cheguevara> Lisetare, which town is that?
[23:12] <cheguevara> peter?
[23:12] <cheguevara> *piter
[23:13] <Lisetare> aha how you guess?
[23:14] <cheguevara> i have my ways :P
[23:15] <cheguevara> but
[23:15] <cheguevara> its good to see that open source software is doing good back home
[23:15] <cheguevara> haven't been there in 4 years now :(
[23:15] <cheguevara> there = Russia
[23:16] <Lisetare> where do you live now?
[23:16] <cheguevara> england
[23:16] <Lisetare> cool )
[23:17] <cheguevara> miss it though :P
[23:17] <cheguevara> europe is too boring
[23:18] <cheguevara> Ubulette, whats new in your firefox packages from your ppa
[23:22] <Ubulette> nothing ubuntu specific, just bug fixes from upstream
[23:22] <cheguevara> oh so just a new snapshot
[23:23] <Ubulette> yes
[23:23] <cheguevara> sorry, updatemanager doesn't show from what version to what its updating anymore for some reason
[23:23] <Ubulette> yes, i find that really annoying
[23:23] <cheguevara> is it a bug or a feature?
[23:24] <Ubulette> don't know. apparently a feature
[23:24] <cheguevara> *sigh*
[23:25] <Ubulette> why do people keep confirming bug 192992
[23:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192992 in python-central "[hardy] pycentral crashed with ValueError in parse_versions()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192992
[23:26] <cheguevara> bug 189406
[23:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189406 in update-manager "[Hardy] Update Manager doesn't display package versions anymore" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189406
[23:28] <cheguevara> damn it
[23:28] <cheguevara> i just pressed install all updates
[23:28] <[reed]> see
[23:28] <cheguevara> bad timing Ubulette :P
[23:28] <[reed]> those are why I want gutsy
[23:28] <[reed]> :)
[23:29] <cheguevara> no breakage == no fun :P
[23:29] <cheguevara> funny how after feature freeze more things started breaking then before :P
[23:35] <Ubulette> i'll do only a third of today's update
[23:36] <cheguevara> damn wine is broken as well
[23:37] <armin76> haha
[23:37] <armin76> ricers :P
[23:37] <cheguevara> says the gentoo developer
[23:37] <cheguevara> :P
[23:43] <armin76> gentoo is not ricing
[23:45] <cheguevara> armin76: but it makes ricing possible :P
[23:45] <armin76> like hardy :P
[23:46] <cheguevara> hardy doesn't let you change your C/CXX/LD FLAGS
[23:46] <cheguevara> and it has a new upstream version freeze compared to ~x86 :P
[23:47] <armin76> haha
[23:47] <armin76> use x86 then :)
[23:48] <armin76> probably the same versions as hardy
[23:48] <cheguevara> but then i don't get the latest version of everything
[23:48] <armin76> then you are the ricer :P
[23:48] <cheguevara> i can't live like that
[23:48] <cheguevara> :P
[23:48] <armin76> yeah, like what package? :P
[23:49] <cheguevara> glibc
[23:49] <cheguevara> lol
[23:49] <cheguevara> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-ident -fweb -pipe -msse3"
[23:49] <cheguevara> LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
[23:49] <cheguevara> not too bad :P
[23:51] <cheguevara> armin76, do you remember that update to bash, which fucked up people's baselayout and the unlucky ones who rebooted ended up with a non bootable system?
[23:53] <armin76> nope
[23:53] <cheguevara> thats was quiet bad
[23:53] <cheguevara> too be honest personally i never had a problem because of running unstable
[23:53] <cheguevara> may be i am just lucky