[01:13] <juliaet30> i hate being set up do you?
[01:29] <MythbuntuGuest60> Hello everyone...  I am new to Mythbuntu, switched from MythDora and am needing 2 issues resolved...
[01:32] <MythbuntuGuest60> Is there anyone here that can help...  I have been unable to resolve issues myself
[01:32] <superm1> !ask
[01:32] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[01:33] <MythbuntuGuest60> Thanks...  Using Mythbuntu 8.04 apha 2
[01:33] <MythbuntuGuest60> Cannot get the MythBackend setup...  Getting error "cannot login".
[01:33] <superm1> so what have you done so far?
[01:34] <superm1> you when through and it copied everything
[01:34] <MythbuntuGuest60> Trying to setup the password for Mysql:  get error Password: NO
[01:34] <superm1> and the button at the end isn't working?
[01:34] <superm1> or you've already rebooted?
[01:34] <tracer903> i've had mythbuntu 7.10 for about a week now, and my tv out keeps shutting off when I play some videos.  my xorg.conf lists my monitor as "failsafe monitor" can anyone help!
[01:35] <MythbuntuGuest60> Rebooted, followed the "troubleshooting" instructions to setup the mysql password...  Lets just say I have been working on this for most of the afternoon and havent gotten any further.
[01:35] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, okay well for starters
[01:35] <superm1> did you change the password during install?
[01:35] <superm1> or leave it be
[01:36] <MythbuntuGuest60> think I set a password.
[01:36] <superm1> okay so you set a root password then
[01:36] <superm1> but nothing more
[01:36] <superm1> right?
[01:37] <superm1> a root mysql password that is
[01:37] <MythbuntuGuest60> yes, I did... Not the SU password
[01:37] <superm1> k, now did that have anything non alphanumeric?
[01:37] <superm1> (there is an ongoing bug related to that)
[01:37] <MythbuntuGuest60> yes... using \\\\\\
[01:37] <superm1> that's your issue
[01:38] <superm1> please reinstall without setting a root password (at least atm)
[01:38] <superm1> or set one with just alphanumeric characters
[01:38] <superm1> the internal code for setting the passwords currently doesn't properly escape a lot of characters
[01:39] <MythbuntuGuest60> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0
[01:39] <MythbuntuGuest60> set to home
[01:39] <superm1> there are other things that got touched
[01:39] <MythbuntuGuest60> "home"
[01:39] <superm1> during install
[01:39] <superm1> that's why i was saying it'd be easier to just reinstall
[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest60> so do a complete reinstall - when I get to the prompt to set root password leave blank?
[01:40] <superm1> that'd probably be the easiest route at this pint
[01:40] <superm1> just dont check that box for setting a root password for mysql
[01:40] <superm1> and then it will just go through
[01:41] <superm1> bug 160368
[01:41] <superm1> that's the bug
[01:41] <superm1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/160368
[01:42] <MythbuntuGuest60> So I do this correct...  set login name and password
[01:43] <MythbuntuGuest60> Should I check the box "MythTV Service?
[01:43] <superm1> that's up to you
[01:43] <superm1> that's if you have remote machines
[01:43] <superm1> that need to connect
[01:44] <MythbuntuGuest60> That wont have an effect on Mysql....  Using Media MVP so I think I will need to enable that function "mythtv service
[01:44] <superm1> yeah
[01:45] <MythbuntuGuest60> great, will give it another go!  Might you have any information as to getting TV and Monitor working (Twinview/Clone)
[01:45] <superm1> open mcc after install
[01:45] <superm1> and pick the nvidia button
[01:45] <superm1> and there is a nice gui for it all
[01:45] <MythbuntuGuest60> mcc?
[01:46] <superm1> !mcc
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mcc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <superm1> mythbuntu control centre
[01:46] <superm1> you'll see after install
[01:46] <tracer903> could someone look at my xorg.conf file and advise me.  my tv out stopped working. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56438/
[01:47] <MythbuntuGuest60> Think I did that... Looks like I have another issue..  Will try after I get MythTV working.
[01:47] <MythbuntuGuest60> THANKS FOR THE HELP!
[01:47] <superm1> np MythbuntuGuest60 good luck :)
[01:47] <superm1> tracer903, you're not using the proprietary driver
[01:47] <superm1> er yeah you are
[01:47] <superm1> but you did some weird stuff in that file
[01:48] <superm1> tracer903, open up mcc and pick the nvidia button
[01:48] <superm1> you should be able to reset it there
[01:48] <superm1> to do tv out
[01:50] <tracer903> if i click on restricted drivers it says NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver   in use
[01:50] <tracer903> when i click on launch xorg.config, it won't do anything
[01:51] <superm1> tracer903, in mcc there is a special button for nvidia cards
[01:51] <superm1> that's the one you pick
[01:52] <juliaet30> what to do with people who thinks that they know what are my ambitions are and what i am about to do and if i even want to do my own thing i am trying to please them and made it up right there and right then? :D thank you
[01:52] <superm1> huh juliaet30 ?
[01:53] <tracer903> yea, under propietary drivers, there is "Launch restricted drivers manager" "launch nvidia settings" and "launch xorg.config"
[01:53] <superm1> yeah launch nvidia settings
[01:54] <superm1> that's what i'm speaking of
[01:54] <MythbuntuGuest60> Setting partitions and want to make sure this is correct;  10 gig (ext3, /) 2 gig (swap, NUL) 238 Gig (xfs, /var/lib)
[01:54] <superm1> yeah that sounds sane
[01:55] <tracer903> it won't let me do anything under tv-0
[01:56] <MythbuntuGuest60> I often use WinSCP to connect to the mythbox (load movies, ect)...  Do I set VNC Service or not
[01:57] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, something is broke with VNC in 8.04's alpha right now, so i wouldnt bother with it atm
[01:57] <superm1> it will be fixed eventually, but its a messy situation right now
[01:58] <superm1> tracer903, but you should be able to adjust which monitor its output to
[01:58] <superm1> and turn on and off different monitors from inside there
[01:58] <MythbuntuGuest60> k, thanks...  INSTALLING NOW>
[02:00] <rhpot1991> superm1: trunk has storage groups right?
[02:00] <superm1> yes
[02:00] <tracer903> ok, i got tv back up but now monitor is zoomed in
[02:00] <rhpot1991> I wonder if I could use them to fix my network playback issue
[02:00] <superm1> tracer903, hit the save button and reboot.  the behavior may change after you reboot
[02:00] <rhpot1991> and nfs mount things, since they seem to play fine like that
[02:01] <superm1> well i've not considered doing a storage group on nfs
[02:01] <superm1> so i'm not sure how nicely that would work
[02:01] <rhpot1991> unless you got a better idea?
[02:01] <superm1> i'm full of ideas, but better idea
[02:01] <superm1> i dunno
[02:01] <rhpot1991> not really getting anywhere with it currently
[02:01] <rhpot1991> fire away if you got something
[02:02] <superm1> cat5
[02:02] <superm1> as i said before :)
[02:02] <rhpot1991> booo :(
[02:03] <rhpot1991> let me see if I have any long enough to do a test
[02:03] <rhpot1991> wife isn't gonna like it though
[02:07] <MythbuntuGuest60> RIGHT ON...  Its alive!!!
[02:08] <MythbuntuGuest60> thank you superml!!!
[02:08] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, please comment on that bug if you can to notate what it was that broke it for you
[02:08] <tracer903> superm1, been playing with the resolution, I can't get both to display properly.  one of them will be zoomed while the other will show entire desktop.  I guess I'll save a reboot
[02:09] <superm1> which weird characters you used
[02:09] <MythbuntuGuest60> no prob, where?
[02:09] <superm1> that bug i posted
[02:09] <superm1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/160368
[02:16] <MythbuntuGuest60> logged comments...
[02:17] <MythbuntuGuest60> superml, if I am using MediaMVP should I set the Local/Master Backend IP ADDRESS to the STATIC IP Address?
[02:18] <MythbuntuGuest60> currently it is default 127.0.0.1
[02:22] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, to your local address yeah
[02:31] <MythbuntuGuest60> At VIDEO SOURCE SETUP;  Perform EIT Scan, leave as default or input us-bcast,cable,hrc,irc???/us-cable/irc,
[02:32] <MythbuntuGuest60> Sorry,,,,  Check the box for EIT Scan? or will this go against Schedules Direct information?
[02:37] <superm1> depends on your card
[02:37] <MythbuntuGuest60> This is weird, I have a PVR500...  Getting Default input as Tuner 1 for both video0 and video1... Is that correct?
[02:37] <superm1> yeah
[02:37] <superm1> they each can use a tuner
[02:38] <MythbuntuGuest60> So at INPUT CONNECTIONS I have Tuner1 in both video0 and Video1 fields...
[02:38] <superm1> yeah
[02:40] <MythbuntuGuest60> Storage Group is new?  Set recordings to go in LiveTV?  Do I "Add New Directory"?
[02:40] <superm1> storage groups are part of 0.21
[02:40] <superm1> i've never done a new install on them sorry
[02:40] <superm1> only upgrade installs
[02:41] <npurciful> hey does anyone know if HDhomerun supports multirec
[02:42] <MythbuntuGuest60> Cannot say Ive used them either (had MythDora prior).  Suppose I "add directory".  This will create a folder and dump recordings into it?  There is no information in the setup manual.
[02:42] <superm1> i dont think it does npurciful, but i havent tested it with mine
[02:42] <npurciful> okay
[02:43] <npurciful> superm1: trunk builds still failing
[02:43] <superm1> npurciful, ugh again..
[02:43] <superm1> man i've pushed that thing 4 times today
[02:43] <superm1> what is failing now!?
[02:44] <npurciful> looks like a patch
[02:44] <npurciful> applying patch 09_perl_bindings_prefix to ./ ... failed.
[02:44] <npurciful> make: *** [patch-stamp] Error 1
[02:46] <superm1> ugh. okay lets see what happened :)
[02:46] <superm1> they keep on absorbing patches that i sent upstream
[02:46] <superm1> has been the biggest thing
[02:48] <npurciful> oh i tried the hardy mythbuntu, looks good
[02:49] <npurciful> well just the live, havent tried the install
[02:53] <superm1> npurciful, okay i think i cleaned up that patch
[02:54] <superm1> silly upstream changes...
[02:54] <superm1> :)
[03:00] <rhpot1991> superm1: just remembered why I never tried cat5 as a solution
[03:00] <superm1> why?
[03:00] <rhpot1991> box doesn't have ethernet
[03:00] <rhpot1991> standing there with a wire with nothing to plug into
[03:01] <npurciful> heh
[03:01] <superm1> lol
[03:01] <superm1> seriously?
[03:01] <rhpot1991> when its done recording I can swap out the wifi card and try it out
[03:01] <rhpot1991> heh, yep
[03:01] <rhpot1991> its living off of pci slots
[03:01] <rhpot1991> raid controller, wifi, tuner, sound card
[03:01] <rhpot1991> all needed for mythtv
[03:02] <rhpot1991> p4 with rdram, I've looked at replacing the mobo (which I can describe as flaky at best) but it would involve replacing most of the box at this point
[03:03] <npurciful> yeah, i hate that, i am having problems finding a mother board to my liking in socket 478
[03:05] <rhpot1991> luckily the box isn't much more than a glorified frontend which records my wife's shows
[03:07] <npurciful> i am running a microfly case (cube shaped) but would like to build a mythbackend with a settop style box, and move all the tv stuff out of my computer
[03:08] <npurciful> make my computer just a frontend
[03:09] <npurciful> but i was having problems find small / low profile hardware that would support dual tuners 1tb storage, cd and such
[03:10] <npurciful> but i think i am going to order a HDHR and a ITX minicomputer for backend
[03:11] <npurciful> or a pundit
[03:15] <rhpot1991> might want to wait for the new hauppauge HD box instead of getting a HDHR
[03:16] <npurciful> what is the HD box
[03:17] <rhpot1991> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080110006038&newsLang=en
[03:18] <rhpot1991> would suck if linux support didn't happen right away though
[03:19] <npurciful> thats pretty cool
[03:19] <npurciful> yeah, that would suck
[03:20] <npurciful> might get the hdhr and HDbox
[03:21] <npurciful> use the hdhr until or when hdbox and driver suport is there
[03:22] <rhpot1991> I've heard good things about the HDHR so you prob can't go wrong
[03:25] <szakulec> anyone using a PVR-250 card here? had a strange experience, and was left with some questions
[03:29] <MythbuntuGuest60> trying to get twinview to work... Using nVidia 6200...  Option NVIDIA Driver Config Util is greyed out (MCC)
[03:32] <MythbuntuGuest60> Do I need to download another driver or should this be included and Im not enabling it?
[03:33] <npurciful> you have to enable the restricted driver
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest60> I have...  It is "green"
[03:35] <MythbuntuGuest60> This is a fresh install of Mythbuntu 8.04 alpha 2
[03:37] <npurciful> have you restarted since you enabled it
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest60> yes i have.
[03:37] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, can you try to run sudo nvidia-settings
[03:38] <superm1> from command line?
[03:38] <MythbuntuGuest60> Status: In Use
[03:38] <MythbuntuGuest60> no, MCC
[03:38] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, but i'm saying to pick the terminal in advanced
[03:38] <superm1> and type
[03:38] <superm1> sudo nvidia-settings
[03:38] <superm1> and see if it opens
[03:38] <superm1> you might have found a bug
[03:40] <MythbuntuGuest60> command not found...  hang on.
[03:40] <superm1> it should be part of nvidia-glx-new
[03:40] <superm1> or nvidia-glx
[03:42] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, yeah it looks like something changed with it
[03:42] <superm1> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[03:42] <superm1> its not provided in the newer binaries it appears
[03:42] <MythbuntuGuest60> Have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.2... installed
[03:43] <superm1> will have to add a hook around that
[03:43] <MythbuntuGuest60> nvidia-glx-new,nvidia-kernel-common,xserver-xorg-video-nv
[03:45] <MythbuntuGuest60> Getting error; unable to lock the admin directory (/var/lib/dpkg) is another prcess using it?
[03:45] <npurciful> holy crap, myth is taken 26min to build so far
[03:45] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, what else is open?
[03:45] <MythbuntuGuest60> nevermind... Had the priprietary driver open.
[03:46] <MythbuntuGuest60> reboot or log-off afterwards?
[03:46] <superm1> nope
[03:46] <superm1> should just be available
[03:46] <superm1> you might need to hit revert in mcc
[03:46] <superm1> or restart mcc
[03:46] <superm1> otherwise it will just be there
[03:49] <MythbuntuGuest60> verygood...  the tv is getting feed...  Rebooting as the resolution is messed up.
[03:49] <MythbuntuGuest60> Was this a "bug" or user error?
[03:50] <superm1> that was a bug
[03:50] <superm1> regarding the nvidia-settings thing
[03:51] <superm1> something changed in the archive that i wasn't aware
[03:51] <MythbuntuGuest60> Resolution is off...  Set it it to what resolution?
[03:51] <MythbuntuGuest60> Currently set to auto.
[03:52] <Egghead> whats the best way to start using the svn, im currently using 7.10, is there a how to on this?
[03:52] <superm1> Egghead, look at mythbuntu.org
[03:52] <superm1> take the auto builds link
[03:52] <superm1> that's the best way
[03:52] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, well auto works for most people, but if it doesn't, then look in your tv manual to see what your tv supports
[03:52] <Egghead> ahh cool, i think i looked at that page but, di know the auto build was same thing
[03:53] <Egghead> thanks superm1 :)
[03:53] <MythbuntuGuest60> Ive had this working fine on MythDora...
[03:54] <MythbuntuGuest60> I know the video card and tv both work with the nvidia software...  Just having a pain getting this setup.
[03:54] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, well what resolution did it use before?
[03:55] <MythbuntuGuest60> Ive got it set as clones / the Monitor has good size.  The TV doesnt...  Tried highest at 1024 x 768 and still not getting part of viewing area.
[03:57] <MythbuntuGuest60> Cannot recall as I setup MythDora a year ago or so and didnt mess with that... If I recall however, MythDora supplied a the config file... Just had to replace in X11 directory and everything worked.
[03:58] <superm1> well the default config file here is setup for autodetect
[03:58] <superm1> so if your tv provides EDID it's set typically
[03:58] <superm1> via the resolution "nvidia-auto-select"
[03:58] <superm1> in xorg.conf
[03:58] <MythbuntuGuest60> Ive tried all resolutions...  The smaller the worse it looks.
[03:59] <MythbuntuGuest60> so manully edit the xorg.conf file?
[03:59] <superm1> well you can try to manually edit it
[03:59] <superm1> add that resolution if its not there already
[03:59] <superm1> "nvidia-auto-select"
[03:59] <superm1> and reboot
[04:00] <MythbuntuGuest60> Here is something weird, the walpaper on the monitor (auto) changes in size when resolution is changed on the TV> never fills the entire screen although the top nav bar never changes in size.
[04:05] <MythbuntuGuest60> Well, dant bitch....  Getting tv now and eirlier couldnt even get the mythdilldatabase to work...  Will try in a few. Have to put my boys down for bed.
[04:17] <npurciful> superm1:  you said you have a HDHR how big is it
[04:18] <superm1> very small
[04:18] <superm1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HDHomeRun
[04:18] <MythbuntuGuest60> what was the command to update myth plugins?  yum update /*myth/*
[04:18] <superm1> that's mine
[04:18] <superm1> yum?
[04:18] <MythbuntuGuest60> that is MythDora
[04:18] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, its apt-get update here
[04:19] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest60, although word of warning
[04:19] <superm1> the mirrors are a little out of sync on hardy right now
[04:19] <superm1> will be sorted in a day or so
[04:19] <MythbuntuGuest60> so apt-get update /*myth/*
[04:19] <superm1> just apt-get update
[04:19] <superm1> will update the system
[04:19] <superm1> if you want some more control of things, you might look into using synaptic instead
[04:19] <MythbuntuGuest60> upgrade then update?
[04:20] <superm1> well update then upgrade
[04:20] <superm1> better yet
[04:30] <MythbuntuGuest60> well, I think I will need to pick this up tomarrow as it is getting late... Have 3 issues to get resolved; 1.resolution on TV  2.Mythplugins are not older than the program; wont let me get them open  3.Need to setup MediaMVP (think this will be the biggy).
[04:32] <MythbuntuGuest60> Thanks for all your help superml...  Was about to scrap Mythbuntu and go back to MythDora as I knew how to get it to work.  I must say the MCC is REAL nice!!! Other than that, think Ubuntu is better than Fedora.
[04:32] <MythbuntuGuest60> So, I hope you or someone else with knowledge and patience will be online tomarrow!
[04:43] <npurciful> hum, mythplugins dep wait
[04:52] <superm1> depwait?
[04:52] <superm1> on waht
[04:52] <superm1> better not be on something new...
[05:07] <npurciful> superm1:  failed applying patch 01_flix-png-fix to ./ ... failed.
[05:08] <superm1> npurciful, man this has been the roughest weekly build.
[05:08] <superm1> bleh!
[05:08] <npurciful> heh, i have been watching the build fail all weekend
[05:09] <npurciful> I am banging my head on the keyboard for you
[05:12] <superm1> wtf?
[05:12] <superm1> that applies cleanly for me locally on hardy
[05:12] <superm1> on 16127
[05:27] <rhpot1991> superm1: mythvideo imdb grabber on the gutsy trunk builds doesn't seem to be working
[05:29] <superm1> rhpot1991, yeah i'm trying to get a new trunk build in
[05:29] <superm1> i've been struggling all weekend on it
[05:29] <superm1> as npurciful has noticed
[05:29] <rhpot1991> O
[05:29] <rhpot1991> woops
[05:29] <rhpot1991> I'm seeing traffic @ 3-7 Mbps while playing a recording
[05:30] <rhpot1991> more spiky than yours
[05:30] <rhpot1991> but in the same rangish
[05:30] <rhpot1991> gonna go try a cat5 cable to see what happens with that
[05:30] <superm1> i bet if i go out of this room though i can achieve that same speed
[05:31] <rhpot1991> the other box is about 12 feet away, in the next room
[05:31] <npurciful> heh, back someone told me that bestbuy had 1tb WDC GP HDD for 230$
[05:32] <darthanubis> just to make sure I understand the oder of operations:
[05:32] <adaptr> 1. collect underpants
[05:33] <darthanubis> mythtv will autoflag commericilas then mythtranscode to nuv extention with the commericials cut, finally nuvexport-xvid transcodes the already transcoded .nuv to a .avi?
[05:34] <darthanubis> resulting in a xvid .avi with no commercials?
[05:35] <rhpot1991> darthanubis: I wouldn't do that without verifying the flags
[05:35] <rhpot1991> gonna be sad when you strip useful programming away to nothing
[05:35] <darthanubis> what do you mean?
[05:35] <darthanubis> you don't trust commflag?
[05:36] <rhpot1991> also it depends on your tuner as far as what your recordings are, for instance my hauppauge cards have mpeg2 files sitting there for me right off the bat
[05:36] <rhpot1991> no, I don't.
[05:36] <darthanubis> I have a hardware encoder card as well
[05:36] <rhpot1991> I've seen many shows that have a 10 second clip on the end that commflaging thinks is still part of a commercial
[05:36] <rhpot1991> there is no way to pragmatically detect that
[05:36] <foxbuntu> actally that shows up allot
[05:37] <npurciful> ooh. ooh, i love it when it just leaves commericals
[05:37] <darthanubis> its accurante enough for my needs
[05:37] <rhpot1991> npurciful: I've seen some of those
[05:37] <rhpot1991> or when you get school cancellations and it finds 0 commercials cause there is a constant blue bar at the top/bottom of the screen
[05:37] <darthanubis> I'm just now trying to fine tune the userjobs to leave me with xbids of a reasonable size to store
[05:37] <foxbuntu> I have never had issues with archviing (or nuv export) letting it strip commercials, sometimes I lose some video but for the times it happens doesn't bother me much
[05:37] <darthanubis> less than 700mb for a 30min show
[05:38] <darthanubis> foxbuntu, do you know if I have my order of operations correct?
[05:39] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, sounds right
[05:39] <darthanubis> nuvexport is used on the .nuv files not the .mpgs left by the card right?
[05:39] <foxbuntu> right
[05:39] <rhpot1991> nuvexport can take mpeg2 files
[05:39]  * rhpot1991 has done it
[05:39] <foxbuntu> right
[05:39] <darthanubis> I know it can, but this prevents the commerical cuts
[05:39] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, rhpot1991 is the mythbuntu nuvexport guy
[05:39] <rhpot1991> not so much
[05:39] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:40] <rhpot1991> I've used it a few times, and made my own ipod stuff
[05:40] <npurciful> yeah, and the superbowel had 143 commercials
[05:40] <darthanubis> I just want to make sure my setup is correct to allow clean xvids, clean= commercial free
[05:40] <rhpot1991> darthanubis: as long as you wont mind missing some recordings from time to time, then you can do it on the fly
[05:40] <rhpot1991> for important stuff I'd watch it in its whole and skip commercials by hand, then set a job to remove them and start the process
[05:40] <rhpot1991> it sounds like the right order to me
[05:42] <darthanubis> first time getting myth the way I want it
[05:42] <npurciful> diddo, watch most stuff and skip commercials buy hand (note npurciful falls asleep with remote in hand)
[05:42] <darthanubis> I had to compile ffmpeg and nuvexport from source
[05:42] <darthanubis> the nuvexport from repos did not install the perl modules needed
[05:43] <darthanubis> ffmpeg was not enabled for divx, xvid, mp3 etc
[05:43] <darthanubis> followed the forum post to the letter, it was a pain, but I believe its all working now
[05:44] <darthanubis> I still don't see where mytharchive comes into play
[05:44] <foxbuntu> mytharchive will do all of that automated but builds to DVD
[05:45] <foxbuntu> or you can just archive the files from you backend to disk
[05:45] <darthanubis> oh yeah
[05:46] <rhpot1991> darthanubis: medibuntu has a good ffmpeg
[05:46] <darthanubis> yeah, depriciated though
[05:46] <rhpot1991> MCC enables the medibuntu source when you enable dvd playback
[05:46] <darthanubis> did notfor me
[05:47] <rhpot1991> gutsy or hardy?
[05:47] <darthanubis> hardy
[05:47]  * foxbuntu reminds rhpot1991 about the essential equation Mythbuntu > Mediabuntu
[05:47] <rhpot1991> ya I've heard the hardy one isn't up to par yet
[05:47] <foxbuntu> :)
[05:48] <rhpot1991> hmmm this is gonna be a pain, no idea what IP this box is gonna get
[05:48] <rhpot1991> superm1: get me a better mobo from dell to replace this one
[05:48]  * rhpot1991 is tired of needing to swap hardware constantly
[05:49] <superm1> rhpot1991, dhcp.leases
[05:49] <superm1> on openwrt
[05:49] <rhpot1991> superm1: already there
[05:49] <darthanubis> need to build a better BE
[05:50] <rhpot1991> darthanubis: who doesn't? :)
[05:50] <darthanubis> I bet
[05:50] <foxbuntu> <--
[05:51] <rhpot1991> what the heck, eth1 and eth2, where is eth0
[05:51] <darthanubis> next project is to get a secondary BE to help with the workload
[05:51] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, how much recording are you doing?!
[05:51] <rhpot1991> I have 2 BE's, only cause I wanted to use tuners and hard drives on both
[05:51] <darthanubis> like 100 sessions
[05:52] <rhpot1991> also comcast recently promised me that the STB they are giving me will have working firewire
[05:52] <darthanubis> 200 are set, 6 conflicting, about 113 will record
[05:52] <foxbuntu> I have a single backend and I watch way too much TV
[05:52] <rhpot1991> they best not be lieing to me
[05:52] <darthanubis> most I don't keep
[05:52] <rhpot1991> sweet jesus
[05:52] <rhpot1991> no way you can watch that much tv
[05:52] <npurciful> lol
[05:52] <darthanubis> but seeing as how Iam just getting the transcoding to work right, allot of transcoding is happening
[05:52] <rhpot1991> I get a conflict once every month or so, between 2 tuners and 2 people picking shows
[05:53] <rhpot1991> transcoding is cpu intensive
[05:53] <darthanubis> your right I can't, its too much
[05:53] <rhpot1991> I generally don't keep stuff so I don't bother transcoding unless it has a purpose
[05:53] <foxbuntu> I used to transcode everything, and recently i stopped transcoding all together
[05:53] <darthanubis> yeah, I'm trying to get there
[05:53] <npurciful> crap are you record everyshow or what
[05:54] <foxbuntu> have had better video results and faster commflags, makes me happy
[05:54] <darthanubis> well I'm a Law and Order CI freak
[05:54] <rhpot1991> what the heck, since when do changes in /etc/network/interfaces happen when I write to that file and not restart networking?
[05:54] <darthanubis> and they always have marathons on
[05:54] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, I like CI too...but I only record on my HD now
[05:55] <npurciful> me too
[05:55] <rhpot1991> my stance on transcoding is that HD's are cheap, better to buy more and add to a LVM than to make my cpu crunch on recordings when I can use XvMC with mpeg2 files
[05:55] <darthanubis> solarbaby, alot of the older episodes recorded, then I had to play catch up
[05:55] <npurciful> an i have seen most L&O's so i filter New episodes
[05:56] <npurciful> Power Search
[05:57] <npurciful> do the same with CSI & NCIS
[05:57] <npurciful> that gets me down to about 5hr of prgraming a day
[05:58] <foxbuntu> I like the orig csi, and never got into ncis
[05:58] <npurciful> with the late shows and stuff
[05:58] <npurciful> ncis is pretty cool
[05:58] <darthanubis> "The Universe" has peeked my intereset
[05:59] <npurciful> superm1: your now bangin hard enough, its still broken. J/K
[05:59] <npurciful> :)
[06:05] <rhpot1991> superm1: :(
[06:05] <rhpot1991> cat5 == working :(
[06:05] <superm1> didn't help?
[06:05] <superm1> oh
[06:05] <superm1> how is that bad?
[06:06] <rhpot1991> cause I can't do cat5
[06:06] <superm1> sure you can
[06:06] <superm1> you just dont want to
[06:06] <rhpot1991> can I live with you when I put holes in the walls and get kicked out?
[06:06] <darthanubis> finding mythweb more useful than mythtv-setup
[06:07] <rhpot1991> is there any chance that it will work with wifi again?
[06:09] <rhpot1991> there is also the part where I was going to replace a long wire + old router with a wifi router when I move too
[06:09] <rhpot1991> master backend plugs into that
[06:12] <npurciful> well i am goin to go watch some tv and relax it is 12am
[06:12] <npurciful> good luck superm1on the build, looks like you going to need it
[06:19] <rhpot1991> oddly my router isn't showing me difference in traffic when watching a recording now either
[06:20] <rhpot1991> I guess there is no in or out, cause its all within the lan
[06:24] <rhpot1991> superm1: anything else you can think of that I should try before I hook this wifi back up and go to bed?
[06:24] <superm1> rhpot1991, any recordings before the switch?
[06:24] <superm1> perhaps try one of those?
[06:24] <rhpot1991> ya there are
[06:24] <rhpot1991> with wifi you mean right?
[06:24] <superm1> yeah
[06:25] <rhpot1991> I am fairly sure I originally tried with recordings pre-switch, but I will verify
[06:54] <rhpot1991> superm1: ok, recordings before the switch are doing the same thing, but....
[06:54] <rhpot1991> I have a real old recording done before I modified the bitrates at all (so its real low quality), and that plays ok
[06:58] <superm1> so its the new bitrates?
[06:58] <rhpot1991> well the "new" bitrates worked with the old mythtv
[06:58] <rhpot1991> I haven't modified the bitrates since I got my setup working well in the first place
[06:59] <rhpot1991> I still might have them too high
[06:59] <rhpot1991> 9000 bitrate, 12000 max
[06:59] <rhpot1991> and I'm only recording SD
[07:00] <superm1> that is probably excessive then?
[07:00] <rhpot1991> perhaps
[07:00] <rhpot1991> but it worked with the old, and works with nfs, so I'm not sure what to blame at this point
[07:01] <superm1> i dunno
[07:02] <rhpot1991> any idea what the recommended bitrates for SD are?
[07:10] <superm1> i can check mine i suppose
[07:10] <superm1> where do you find out?
[07:10] <rhpot1991> setup > tv > recording profiles
[07:12] <rhpot1991> its 3 or so pages in then
[07:13] <rhpot1991> also I have my res bumped to 720x480, not gonna change that though, makes the picture a lot better
[07:24] <rhpot1991> superm1: I'm heading to bed, if you get a chance to look up your bitrates let me know, I'm gonna try to figure out what dvd bitrates are tomorrow and set them up
[07:24] <superm1> rhpot1991, okay i'll let you know in the morning
[07:24] <superm1> sorry a DD showed up
[07:24] <superm1> and wanted to help me get someting in debian
[07:24] <superm1> although i should be in bed....
[07:24] <rhpot1991> heh alright thanks
[07:25] <rhpot1991> want to just shoot me off an email about them?
[07:25] <rhpot1991> thanks, cya later
[07:26] <superm1> cya
[11:55] <Nikas> Yo. Does any one know when we can see nen trunk builds for the plugins? Got updates for frontend and backend today but not for any of the plugins so mythweb does not work among others.
[11:59] <Nikas> "Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=39, backend=40)"
[12:01] <directhex|bsp> 40?
[12:01] <directhex|bsp> oh shit, they jumped protocol again?
[12:08] <Nikas> yep..
[12:08] <Nikas> my build of mythweb does not like it ;)
[14:06] <Tuv0k> mythzmserver?
[14:06] <Tuv0k> anyone using it?
[14:06] <Tuv0k> looking to run it upon start, not using sessions
[14:07] <Tuv0k> One way to do this is to modify the ZM startup script to also start/stop mythzmserver.
[14:15] <hugolp> Tuv0k:  zm is zoneminder?
[14:41] <superm1> Nikas, hopefully today. They failed  to build probably about 8 times today
[14:41] <superm1> er this weekend
[14:44] <Nikas> Thanks for your answer. I'll be waiting for them. ;)
[14:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> !logs
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[14:46] <Nikas> libmyth-perl
[14:46] <Nikas> can't be installed or upgraded.
[14:47] <rhpot1991_laptop> try to install it by hand, and see what the dependency issue is
[14:47] <rhpot1991_laptop> I am guessing you are on hardy?
[14:47] <Nikas> not on that machine
[14:47] <Nikas> libnet-upnp-perl seems to be missing..
[14:47] <Nikas> or broken
[14:48] <roman> Just installed Mythbuntu 7.10 on a PC w/ an AverMedia HD A180 -- but I can't get it to scan cable channels. dmesg shows all kernel modules are loaded, so I am kinda lost. Tried to find a HOWTO for my card in particular but no luck. I am in Toronto Canada and am using Rogers Cable
[14:51] <superm1> Nikas, its in NEW
[14:52] <superm1> you can also grab it from the ~mythbuntu PPA until it clears NEW\
[14:52] <superm1> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive?field.name_filter=upnp&field.status_filter=published Nikas
[14:53] <Nikas> hehe i'm really new to this. Started using Linux again when i started to use MythBuntu in the end of 2007. Before that i had used linux around 2000 the last time so..
[14:53] <superm1> Nikas, an archive admin has to ack it before it shows up in the regular archive
[14:53] <Nikas> i se
[14:53] <Nikas> e
[14:53] <superm1> so for now, you can just go to that website and grab the binary (.deb)
[14:53] <rhpot1991_laptop> there we go, I was looking for a link but couldn't find it
[14:53] <superm1> and install it from there
[14:54] <Nikas> ah okey. thanks
[14:57] <directhex|bsp> superm1, is the protocol version bump in trunk or 0.21-fixes?
[14:57] <superm1> 0.21-fixes
[14:57] <superm1> they aren't committing back to trunk until 0.21-fixes is done
[14:57] <superm1> afaik
[14:57] <directhex|bsp> aha, okay
[14:57] <directhex|bsp> so i'm "safe" running the weekly builds for now
[14:58] <superm1> well unless that changed :)
[14:58] <superm1> look on mythtv-devel
[14:58] <superm1> and see
[14:58] <superm1> between stuff like that FFe for the archive, and the archive.ubuntu.com website going down, keeping these all in sync is a living nightmare
[14:59] <directhex|bsp> superm1, you sound tired. go have some bacon
[14:59] <superm1> bacon?
[15:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> I'd recommend some tea or coffee (yuck)
[15:02] <directhex|bsp> bacon. it's nutritious and delicious!
[15:02] <superm1> well i'll have a waffle and get to work. later guys.
[15:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> cya
[15:35] <Aquahallic> Mornin' folks
[15:37] <Aquahallic> I have that optimize db script running nightly through a cron.... when I go look I don't see any evidence of it running....is there a way I can set it to run with an output to a log file?
[15:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> check /var/log/syslog
[15:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> I believe that cron jobs get displayed in there
[15:38] <Aquahallic> yeah I've looked there.... should I see the actual file name running?
[15:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> Aquahallic: did you do the cron daily yourself, or use MCC to do so?
[15:48] <Nikas> are you using optimize_mythdb.pl?
[15:48] <Egonis> I am trying to scan for channels, but it keeps saying timeout, I read that I should be using dvb-utils to run a scan instead -- is this true? According to a posting somewhere, my area is QAM-256. I am lost, and have never done this before (AverMedia HD A180)
[15:49] <Nikas> Aquahallic: Look here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Periodic_Maintenance
[15:50] <Nikas> look under "Optimize the Database" and use that optimize_mythdb.sh
[15:50] <rhpot1991_laptop> Nikas: MCC will do that for you
[15:50] <rhpot1991_laptop> he is just looking for proof that something is happening
[15:50] <Nikas> ah okey, i did it myself and have the logfile as stated in the file
[15:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> my version installed via MCC doesn't show up at all in syslog, just a blurb about cron.daily running
[15:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> where do those logs live?
[15:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> ah nevermind, they create a script to make logs
[15:51] <Nikas> w8
[15:51] <Nikas> I have mine here /var/log/mythtv/optimize_mythdb.log
[16:02] <egghead3> hey aqua
[16:06] <Egonis> I think I figured out why I cannot scan for channels -- I am getting a series of errors on i2c 'timeout on nxt200x waiting to init' and such -- should I pastebin this here, or should I post to a different channel? Any help is greatly appreciated
[16:31] <Tuv0k> hugolp, yes
[16:48] <MythbuntuGuest07> I added 50 dvds this weekend...I am trying to use IMDB this morning to add info for all the titles. It will not work manually or auto serach...can someone verify if it is me or is the IMDB down?
[16:50] <Nikas> Does not work for me..
[16:50] <mick_laptop> hi everyone
[16:50] <Nikas> I have the latest imdb.pl too
[16:50] <MythbuntuGuest07> whew...glad it wasnt just me... Thanks Nikas
[16:50] <Nikas> np
[17:32] <tracer903> will the smk usb blaster work with mythtv?  i can't get it to change channel on my model 322 dish network box
[18:16] <tracer903> do you have to create a change_chan.sh script and point mythtv to it to get  your blaster to work?
[18:17] <levander> Are there decent instructions on how to add a mythfrontend to an existing Ubuntu desktop?  I followed the instructions in the wiki and my computer wouldn't boot, it reconfigured my custom networking I had setup, reconfigured X which I'm having trouble fixing...  And, the next step in the instructions is to just start mythfrontend and tell it where the backend is.  I did this, and now when I start my mythfrontend I just get some d
[18:17] <levander> error.
[18:18] <levander> Has someone seen better instructions on how to add a frontend on an existing Ubuntu desktop install?
[18:18] <Aquahallic> Afternoon egghead3
[18:19] <tracer903> levander. have you tried installing it from synaptic?
[18:20] <levander> tracer903: I 'sudo apt-get mythbuntu-desktop' which should just be the same thing.
[18:20] <levander> As what were in the instructions.
[18:21] <rhpot1991_laptop> if you just need a frontend, there is just a package for that
[18:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> easiest way is to sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre (notice the spelling)
[18:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> and use the system roll selector there
[18:23] <levander> rhpot1991_laptop: I saw the system roles.  But, I don't want this to be like a dedicated mythfrontend.  I use it as a regualr desktop.  but, I'd like to be able to pull up mythtv and watch TV from my myth back end occasionally.  Is there a role for that?
[18:23] <levander> I didn't think any of the options let me choose that.
[18:24] <rhpot1991_laptop> sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend
[18:24] <Aquahallic> levander: yes... just install mythtv-frontend
[18:25] <rhpot1991_laptop> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend, will set it up to automagically login for you
[18:25] <levander> Well, it's a little late for that.  I already got mythbuntu-desktop on there.
[18:25] <rhpot1991_laptop> if you just install mythtv-frontend, then you can launch it by hand whenever
[18:25] <rhpot1991_laptop> I'm not sure exactly what mythbuntu-desktop entails, sorry
[18:25] <Aquahallic> I have an ubuntu running on my laptop... and I just fire off the frontend when I want
[18:25] <Aquahallic> so uninstall it levander
[18:26] <levander> I don't care that it's on there.  Unless uninstalling it will give me back my custom network config I had before, my old X config, etc..
[18:26] <levander> Which, I don't think it will.
[18:27] <rhpot1991_laptop> levander: it backs up any configs
[18:27] <levander> rhpot1991_laptop: Where does it back them up to?
[18:27] <rhpot1991_laptop> check where they live should be a backup with the world mythbuntu in it
[18:27] <rhpot1991_laptop> for example I have a lircrc.mythbuntu-old
[18:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> in the same place where my lircrc lives (.mythtv)
[18:28] <levander> Just looked in /etc/X11 for an xorg.conf backup and in /etc/network for a resolv.conf backup - nothing.
[18:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> I don't think it would change your xorg or networking
[18:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> are you sure that it did?
[18:29] <levander> rhpot1991_laptop: It even ran some initramfs script.  I *think* it ran that just to change the usplash image.  No, I have to add a boot option to not show the splash image when I boot - or the system doesn't boot.
[18:30] <levander> I'm gonna kill whoever wrote "MythTV Gutsy Frontend Desktop" in the wiki.
[18:30] <rhpot1991_laptop> http://www.mythbuntu.com/existing-ubuntu
[18:30] <rhpot1991_laptop> thats for adding mythbuntu to ubuntu
[18:30] <rhpot1991_laptop> what wiki were you following?
[18:31] <rhpot1991_laptop> cause it sounds like you just needed to install the frontend
[18:31] <levander> rhpot1991_laptop: That page has me install mythbuntu-desktop also.
[18:31] <levander> This is what I followed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Frontend_Desktop
[18:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> (1:30:48 PM) rhpot1991_laptop: thats for adding mythbuntu to ubuntu
[18:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> besides the splash problem, anything else not work right?
[18:33] <levander> I have to reconfigure networking - it overwrote my custom networking setup with just a basic DHCP one.  There's some weird flicker on my X-Windows screen...  I've tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' but still can't get rid of it.
[18:34] <levander> There were a few things last night.  Give me a second...
[18:34] <tracer903> i've installed mybuntu7.10 about 10 days ago, and it keeps locking up, seems very unstable
[18:34] <levander> Oh yeah, I have to say "nosplash" as a kernel option when I boot now.  If I don't, the system crashes on reboot and tries to boot again.  nosplash and it boots fine.
[18:35] <levander> I've got a clean install of mythbuntu 7.10 on another machine and it works great.
[18:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> levander: I have the splash problem on regular ubuntu on my amd64
[18:35] <levander> I got all these problems when I installed mythbuntu-desktop on top of an existing Ubuntu install.
[18:36] <levander> I wish I knew just to install mythtv-frontend last night.
[18:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> you've checked that all the packages are up to date now?
[18:37] <levander> you mean a 'sudo apt-get upgrade'? - no I haven't done that since i've installed mythbuntu desktop
[18:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> I'd try that
[18:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> maybe the splach/xorg are out of date
[18:38] <tracer903> I'm trying to get my blaster to control my dish network box and don't know where to start, I think I need to make a change_chan.sh script
[18:41] <levander> rhpot1991_laptop: Yeah, I'll try that.  I need to reboot first though because I was just playing with "Restricted Drivers Manager" to try to get my X config back.
[18:41] <levander> bbl
[18:45] <levander> Enabling the binary nvidia driver in Restricted Drivers Manager got rid of the flicker in X.
[18:46] <levander> I guess that flicker was because I used the nvidia driver in configuring X, but didn't enable the kernel module.
[18:46] <levander> At least that's my guess.
[18:46] <levander> The nvidia kernel module.
[18:46] <levander> So, at least I know I can get back to where I was before installing mythbuntu-desktop.
[18:46] <levander> Way calmer now.
[18:47] <levander> And, enabling nvidia driver in Restricted Drivers Manager, now I don't have to turn off the splash screen to get my system to boot.
[18:47] <levander> So, whoever had that problem with the splash screen and amd64 - it's probably because of your video driver.
[18:47] <levander> That's what it was here.
[18:47] <Aquahallic> levander: when you installed that... did it change your desktop wallpaper too??
[18:48] <levander> When I install mythbuntu-desktop?  No, that did not change my wallpaper.
[18:48] <Aquahallic> k
[18:48] <Aquahallic> but it came with the mythbuntu control center??
[18:48] <levander> Aquahallic: And with all the problems I've mentioned - it's really weird your concern is wallpaper.
[18:48] <levander> What came with control center?
[18:48] <Aquahallic> I'm trying to figure out how DEEP it went that's all
[18:49] <Aquahallic> the mythbuntu-desktop
[18:49] <levander> wallpaper and that deep my friend
[18:49] <levander> Aquahallic: It went deep.  It re-ran initramfs.  It ran that script just to change the splash screen.  But, initramfs is a pretty serious script.
[18:49] <rhpot1991_laptop> I thought it installed mythbuntu wallpaper too
[18:49] <levander> ain't that deep***
[18:50] <levander> Why is everyone so bothered about the wallpaper?
[18:50] <levander> To address concerns about wallpaper:
[18:50] <rhpot1991_laptop> heh, just stating something
[18:50] <rhpot1991_laptop> so all thats busted is networking now?
[18:50] <Aquahallic> I was just curious if it totally re-vamped your desktop
[18:50] <levander> I just right clicked on the desktop and chose "Change Desktop Background"
[18:51] <levander> A dialog pops up and under the "Backgrounds" tab, only my old three wallpaper options are available.  Nothing that looks like Mythbuntu wallpaper.
[18:51] <Aquahallic> I have a laptop with ubuntu and compiz running on it... I did a mythtv-frontend install... and it didn't touch anything only put the frontend on here
[18:51] <levander> rhpot1991_laptop: Yeah, and that's not really busted.  I know how to configure that by hand.
[18:51] <Aquahallic> I didn't get the control center either
[18:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> just do that and call it a day
[18:52] <Aquahallic> so I was TRYING to findout how much of your ubuntu it jacked
[18:52] <levander> Aquahallic: Yeah, but I wasn't that smart.  I followed the written instructions and installed mythbuntu-desktop.  Even though it's clear to me now, with the wisdon in this channel, that that was way overkill.
[18:52] <levander> rhpot1991_laptop: It seems like I'm never done configuring Linux.
[18:53] <Aquahallic> yeah I think that tries to reconfigure your install of ubuntu into  a full mythbuntu installation
[18:53] <Aquahallic> that's why I was asking if it changed your wallpaper too
[18:53] <rhpot1991_laptop> levander: wait till you run linux on random things like your routers, even more things to constantly break
[18:53] <levander> Sometimes I think it would be nice just to browse the web and read email like most people.  Then I could have so much more time just to complain about how bad computers are.  I could complain as much as everyone else if I just surfed and emailed.
[18:54] <levander> Maybe I should start using myspace?
[18:54] <rhpot1991_laptop> please don't
[18:54] <rhpot1991_laptop> I couldn't be happier if myspace would just die
[18:54] <levander> Am I going to get kicked if I start cussing Aquahallic out over this wallpaper thing?
[18:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> interweb is filled with enough junk, no need to give no knowledge people a way to put flashy stuff in front of my face
[18:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> he has a point levander, I thought it should have installed it also
[18:55] <Aquahallic> sure.. .CUSS away... MINE works.. YOURS DON'T... I was ASKING you some questions to see if I could help you!
[18:55] <levander> myspace is such junk.  Eventually the web is going to be full of small communities.  myspace is like bringing network television to the web.  The web is so much more capable than that.
[18:56] <rhpot1991_laptop> he is just theorizing the difference between installs
[18:56] <Aquahallic> but I'll just leave you to your misery and you can %^& it up MORE
[18:56] <levander> Aquahallic: I suggest you refer your wallpaper issue to launchpad.  That's as much as I can help.
[18:56] <Aquahallic> I don't have a problem with my wallpaper
[18:56] <Aquahallic> mine works FINE!
[18:57] <Aquahallic> I was askin YOU to see how much of your desktop got JACKED from the install
[18:57] <Aquahallic> CHRIST!
[18:57] <levander> Relax Aquahallic.  I was joking.
[18:57] <levander> I thought you were too...
[18:58] <rhpot1991_laptop> relax, everyone
[18:58] <Aquahallic> :)
[18:58] <Aquahallic> I think when you do that mythbuntu-desktop it tries to reconfigure your entire ubuntu installation as a mythbuntu box
[18:59] <Aquahallic> sounds like you want what I'm doing... normal ubuntu with a frontend app on it
[18:59] <Aquahallic> that you can fire off when you want
[19:01] <Kaukasus> Moin
[19:01] <rhpot1991_laptop> he should be ok with where he is at now
[19:01] <rhpot1991_laptop> has almost everything fixed, and he can still fire it off as needed
[19:05] <Aquahallic> I did the frontend only install only because I've run mythtv on several different distro's and knew what I wanted.... I was just trying to see if that mythbuntu-desktop did infact try to revamp the entire machine to a mythbuntu box hijaking gnome and everything else with that mythbuntu control center... that's prolly what borked his install was that control center
[19:07] <levander> Aquahallic: It's whatever tries to reconfigure X and the networking that borked me.  I found changing the splash screen annoying - but kubuntu-desktop did the same thing when I tried installing that awhile ago.
[19:07] <levander> I'm pretty sure mythbuntu-desktop did the splash screen.
[19:08] <levander> control-centre may have done X and networking
[19:08] <levander> and no, when I log in, I'm still logging into gnome.
[19:08] <levander> it didn't change me to XFCE
[19:08] <Aquahallic> yup.. that's what I'm thinking.. it has all those config scripts
[19:08] <tgm4883_laptop> AFAIK, installing mythbuntu-control-centre doesn't change a single thing in itself
[19:09] <levander> Has anyone tried 64 bit mythbuntu (if it exists) - I haven't upgraded to 64 bit on my desktop because of java and flash on my desktop - but, I don't use those two on my myth box.
[19:09] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[19:09] <tgm4883_laptop> works fine
[19:09] <levander> And, I assume a 32 bit mythfrontend could talk to a 64 bit mythbackend?
[19:09] <tgm4883_laptop> in fact
[19:09] <tgm4883_laptop> java and flash work fine too
[19:09] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: But, does it work better?
[19:09] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: I've read flash is flaky under 64 bit.
[19:09] <tgm4883_laptop> levander, well that would depend on what you are trying to do?
[19:10] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: What would depend on what I'm trying to do?
[19:10] <tgm4883_laptop> levander, you may have read that, but then again.  I'm using it.  so your call
[19:10] <Aquahallic> I'm assuming the transcoding would smoke along much better..
[19:10] <tgm4883_laptop> well 64-bit helps in number crunching apps
[19:10] <tgm4883_laptop> like transcoding
[19:10] <tgm4883_laptop> you can see a 30% increase
[19:10] <sebrock> when setting up a weekly cron job, on which day of the week will it be executed?
[19:11] <Aquahallic> yeah... most of your backend processes aren't real CPU intensive... 'cept the transcoding and such
[19:11] <tgm4883_laptop> i've also heard of some compatibility problems using a 32-bit OS on 64-bit hardware.  But I have actually never seen that happen
[19:11] <levander> sebrock: you can configure which day of the week it executes in your crontab file
[19:11] <tgm4883_laptop> it may also help when doing commflagging, although im not entirely sure on that
[19:11] <sebrock> levander: ok I put @weekly now
[19:12] <sebrock> and I thought that meant sunday, but nothing has been executed ...
[19:12] <levander> sebrock: I don't have the notation memorized, sorry.
[19:12] <Aquahallic> your biggest bottle necks with the backend is your disks and network when you're running multiple frontends
[19:12] <levander> sebrock: #bash may be your best bet for that?
[19:12]  * rhpot1991_laptop has a wifi bottleneck problem currently
[19:13] <Aquahallic> rhpot1991: you using wireless G?
[19:13] <rhpot1991_laptop> sebrock: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102626
[19:13] <rhpot1991_laptop> Aquahallic: yep
[19:14] <Aquahallic> you using mixed B and G in your network?
[19:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> nope
[19:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> my network is perfectally fine
[19:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> verified that last night
[19:14] <Aquahallic> set your router to G ONLY and then set your max speed to be 48 and not 54
[19:14] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991_laptop, overhead?  SD or HD?
[19:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> SD
[19:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> I've been messing with it for a while
[19:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> if I share the recordings over nfs intsead of letting myth do it
[19:15] <Aquahallic> I'm running wireless G on this laptop with my frontend and it works ok
[19:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> then it works fine
[19:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> only happening since I upgraded to trunk, been working with superm1's builds to see if that helps at all but hasn't yet
[19:15] <sebrock> rhpot1991_laptop:  thanks, but that still does not answer my question. I need to know on what day @weekly is
[19:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> I found something interesting last night, an old recording on a low bitrate doesn't have the problem
[19:16] <rhpot1991_laptop> so I need to revisit my super high bitrates now I guess
[19:16] <rhpot1991_laptop> sebrock: " minute (0-59), hour (0-23, 0 = midnight), day (1-31), month (1-12), weekday (0-6, 0 = Sunday), command"
[19:17] <rhpot1991_laptop> 0 0 * * 6
[19:17] <rhpot1991_laptop> would run every saturday
[19:17] <rhpot1991_laptop> at midnight
[19:21] <mick_laptop> hi everyone
[19:24] <sebrock> rhpot1991_laptop:  sure sure, I know how to set it up, but there is also an option to just use "@weekly", and I just wonder what that might be
[19:24] <rhpot1991_laptop> sebrock: sorry, don't know much about that, never set it up that way
[19:24] <rhpot1991_laptop> might be able to drop it into /etc/cron.weekly
[19:32] <mick_laptop> anyone know how to add a netflix id -- so i can see what movies are in my queue?
[19:33] <szakulec> got a question about the PVR-250 input's- anyone use it here?
[19:33] <tgm4883_laptop> szakulec, well the inputs should be the same as the 150
[19:34] <rhpot1991_laptop> mick_laptop: last I ran it you had to do : netflix.pl -L <userid> <passwd>
[19:34] <rhpot1991_laptop> twice
[19:34] <Tr1p> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:VideoManagerOSM.jpg is "Search IMDB" working with u guys
[19:34] <rhpot1991_laptop> Tr1p: wasn't working last night with trunk builds
[19:34] <rhpot1991_laptop> I believe superm1 verified it was busted
[19:35] <Tr1p> rhpot1991_laptop: how come it doesent work? u know ?
[19:35] <Nikas> IMDB seems broken yes
[19:36] <rhpot1991_laptop> !logs
[19:36] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[19:36] <Tr1p> that sux , reinstalled my whole system for that
[19:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> hmmm logs not working either
[19:38] <Tr1p> is there an updatepage where i find some info when its fixed ?
[19:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> Tr1p: as soon as the logs are working again I can tell you what he said
[19:39] <Tr1p> rhpot1991_laptop: oke
[19:45] <szakulec> tgm: the reason I ask is that to record from my VCR I have to use input 6 (composite 3), but TV is recorded fine using input 2 (composite 1)
[19:46] <szakulec> is there a guide to the different inputs and using the other video devices (video24 and 32)?
[19:57] <mick_laptop> sorry - mythtv crashed my box
[19:57] <mick_laptop> i wasn't sure if anyone answered my question about netflix :)
[19:57] <rhpot1991_laptop> mick_laptop: last I ran it you had to do : netflix.pl -L <userid> <passwd>
[19:58] <rhpot1991_laptop> twice
[19:59] <mick_laptop> ah ok -thanks
[19:59] <rhpot1991_laptop> last I used it updating your queue didn't work so well
[20:00] <rhpot1991_laptop> I looked into patching it, but decided that it was just easier to walk 2 feet to my computer and use that
[20:00] <mick_laptop> kind of like when videos get added to /videos :) (and it not showing up in mythtv) ;)
[20:01] <mick_laptop> rhpot1991_laptop: i'm actually making a list of all the usability wtfs there are in mythtv :)
[20:01] <mick_laptop> so that i can get started w/ fixing them :)
[20:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> mythflix is all well and good, but its just so much easier to navigate all that with a keyboard compared to a remote
[20:02] <Aquahallic> use a WiiMote
[20:02]  * Aquahallic gonna try that soon....:)
[20:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> Aquahallic: That would be even worse
[20:02] <Aquahallic> lol
[20:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> unless you bring the mouse back in mythtv, its disabled/hidden/something by default
[20:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> wiimote in linux isn't that hard
[20:03] <Aquahallic> yeah.. it's weird... kids gotta Wii for Xmas
[20:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> last I heard there were 2 versions a perl and a c driver
[20:03] <Aquahallic> once you get your head moving in the way the Wiimote wants you to use it... it ain't so bad
[20:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> the c one supported peripherals I think
[20:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> I had them running, but lost interest after a while
[20:05] <Aquahallic> I turned off hiding the mouse cause I use the frontend primarily from my laptop
[20:05] <rhpot1991_laptop> work well?
[20:05] <Aquahallic> yup
[20:06] <Aquahallic> and I run it in a window that's really the same size as my laptop screen so then I see my popups
[20:06] <Aquahallic> frontend don't like letting anything get infront of it when it's set full screen
[20:07] <foxbuntu> except stuff that you don't want to see when watching TV :)
[20:07] <Aquahallic> true
[20:07] <Aquahallic> lol
[20:07] <foxbuntu> i.e. "Updates are Avaiable
[20:08] <Aquahallic> well that's a good thing... .you know they're there
[20:08]  * foxbuntu thinks great...I can get updates...but let me watch me frig'n show!
[20:08] <Aquahallic> my frontend in the family room never reboots so I don't see when it needs them unless it comes over top tv
[20:09] <foxbuntu> meh...I am always doing something or another so I turned notifications off
[20:09] <foxbuntu> I beta stuff all the time
[20:40] <mick_laptop> what does "Perform EIT scan" mean?
[20:42] <adaptr> Extraterrestrial Information Tap
[20:42] <adaptr> straight from your brain, like
[20:43] <Aquahallic> The EIT (Event Information Table) is extra data that is broadcast with a television signal, much like Closed Caption Text in the VBI stream. EIT provides program data for the current show and future shows which can be then used to view on-screen program information, such as title, length, description and more.
[20:49] <levander> Okay, I 'sudo apt-get remove mythbuntu-desktop' and it only wants to remove 1 package, the mythbuntu-desktop package.  I thought apt-get did orphan tracking now and remove all the dependecies for that package too?
[20:49] <levander> n
[20:51] <egghead3> great info on the eit aqua :)
[20:54] <levander> Is there no automatic way to remove mythbuntu-desktop and all the dependencies it installed?
[21:20] <mick_laptop> Aquahallic: i thought that this was PSIP?
[21:25] <Tuv0k> This is why I love alpha/bleeding edge
[21:25] <Tuv0k> I love new updates!
[21:26] <Tuv0k> levander, yeah use synaptic
[21:27] <MythbuntuGuest55> Hello
[21:27] <npurciful> have a question how do i remove letterboxing on a ATSC recording broadcast in 1080 but is really 480 ( has letterbox all the way around)
[21:28] <Tuv0k> cropping I would guess
[21:29] <Tuv0k> various ways of achieving the result you want, but I have seen it on mythtv's wiki for sure
[21:29] <npurciful> yeah got that, i was wanting recomendation of tool for cropping
[21:29] <Tuv0k> within the FAQ
[21:29] <sevlor> Why would a Frontend not play anything off of a backend but yet has it listed?
[21:29] <Tuv0k> the tool is myth itself
[21:30] <Tuv0k> sevlor, permissions is alwasy blamed first
[21:30] <neil__> hello
[21:30] <sevlor> well i am not able to play live TV nor anything previously recorded
[21:31] <neil__> can i get help here for mythtv on ubuntu desktop?
[21:31] <neil__> or only mythbuntu
[21:32] <Tuv0k> neil__, just shoot
[21:32] <neil__> cool
[21:32] <Tuv0k> myth buntu whatever its myth
[21:32] <neil__> i've got tvtime playing like a charm
[21:32] <Tuv0k> or you could try #mythtv-users
[21:32] <neil__> i've install mythv but i'm getting the ol' all available  inputs are being used error
[21:33] <Tuv0k> yeah, the capture card must be free
[21:33] <neil__> when i hit watch TV
[21:33] <Tuv0k> and correctly assigned
[21:33] <Tuv0k> right
[21:33] <neil__> free how?
[21:33] <Tuv0k> as in not recording
[21:33] <Tuv0k> or assigned to another process ie tvtime
[21:34] <Tuv0k> or picked up by the system as a webcam or something
[21:34] <neil__> how do i tell if another process is using it
[21:35] <Tuv0k> first you must know which device he card is assigned to, ie /dev/video0
[21:35] <Tuv0k> /dev/video1
[21:35] <neil__> seems to be /dev/video0
[21:35] <Tuv0k> I'll bet tvtime has locked control of your tuner and therefore mythtv cannot use it
[21:35] <neil__> ok let me try reboot
[21:36] <Tuv0k> however in the mythtv-setup, you can assign capture cards very easily
[21:36] <neil__> well i thought i'd done that
[21:36] <Tuv0k> you'll be able to tell if the card is free or not
[21:36] <Tuv0k> sometimes you have to remove the assigned card, adn readd it
[21:36] <Tuv0k> its a pain for me, because I have a webcam for zoneminder as well
[21:37] <Tuv0k> and in some rare cases, the two get swapped, and myth thinks the webcam is the tuner
[21:37] <neil__> it lets me readd it
[21:37] <Tuv0k> just be mindful of that
[21:37] <neil__> same error
[21:37] <neil__> let me reboot
[21:41] <sevlor> but yeah, the problem i have is with my mythbuntu frontend, i goto watch tv and the screen flashes black and goes back to the main screen
[21:42] <neil__> no dice :(
[21:43] <neil__> still tells me all inputs are being used
[21:48] <sevlor> ok i got it figured out, i changed the IP address in myth setup in both spots instead of just the bottom spot
[21:51] <Aquahallic> superm1: you around?
[22:09] <emory> I'm getting crackly audio in MythBuntu with all videos and all players, but not with MP3's.  This was not the case when I was running straight Gutsy.  The crackly audio is... annoying to say the least anyone have _any_ ideas?
[22:24] <Tuv0k> http://pastebin.com/d46a642c6
[22:48] <npurciful> is it just with HD video?
[23:06] <tracer903> is it better to install mythbuntu 7.10 or to unstall mythtv on certain ubuntu version?
[23:07] <sevlor> Either way works just fine
[23:09] <tracer903> i've attempted mythbuntu 7.10 and it keeps locking up, but I've done so much stuff to it trying to get my tv out fine tuned, and attempting to get the blaster to work, I'm thinking of doing a clean install to start over
[23:11] <sevlor> Honestly I learned a lot more by building a mythbox from the ground up from a base Ubuntu install
[23:13] <tracer903> like installing 7.04 and starting from there?
[23:19] <fesha> I am having audio problems when I play live TV in mythtv any suggestion?
[23:23] <npurciful> man is the new version of svn truck cleaning up nicely
[23:23] <npurciful> trunk
[23:28] <levander> To use the mythdvd plugin.  Can I put the DVD in a mythtvfrontend only machine and have it ripped to teh backend machine?
[23:31] <foxbuntu> levander, yes that is possible
[23:32] <levander> foxbuntu: I'm installing the mythplugins package on the frontend now.
[23:32] <levander> I'll see what happens.
[23:32] <foxbuntu> k
[23:32] <levander> But really, what I want to do is have the DVD in the backend DVD drive, and kick off the ripping from the front end.  Is that possible?
[23:32] <foxbuntu> you will prob need to setup NFS and mount the BE storage point on the FE
[23:33] <foxbuntu> levander, Im not sure on that, I want to say No but im not 100%
[23:33] <levander> How about, can I just run mythfrontend on the backend machine, but have mythfrontend display on the machine I'm sitting at now?
[23:33] <levander> foxbuntu: It sounds like too much work anyway for what I'm doing.  I'm not gonna try that last suggestion.
[23:34] <foxbuntu> not really, you could use x forwarding
[23:34] <levander> will x-forwarding work for mythfrontend?
[23:34] <foxbuntu> but that might not result in a clean video playback
[23:34] <foxbuntu> should
[23:34] <levander> i don't care, i'm just using it to rip a bunch of dvd's
[23:35] <tgm4883_laptop> levander, easiest solution is to rip in the frontend machine to a network drive
[23:35] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, agreed
[23:35] <foxbuntu> thus NFS
[23:35] <foxbuntu> :)
[23:36] <tgm4883_laptop> that is how mine is setup
[23:36] <levander> ha! it looks like x-forwarding is working!
[23:36] <foxbuntu> levander, good...I didn't see any reason why it wouldnt
[23:38] <levander> Okay, of all the titles available to rip on a DVD, I just rip the longest one?
[23:38] <levander> This DVD has 29 titles for some reason.
[23:39] <tgm4883_laptop> thats pretty usual
[23:39] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: To just rip the longest one is usual?
[23:39] <tgm4883_laptop> that 29 titles is usual
[23:39] <tgm4883_laptop> lots of titles that is
[23:39] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: Do you just rip the longest one?
[23:39] <tgm4883_laptop> ripping the longest one is usually what i do
[23:40] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, thats because you are < 1337
[23:40] <foxbuntu> =P
[23:40] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, see its tgm4883_laptop < 1337< foxbuntu
[23:40] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[23:41] <foxbuntu> haha
[23:41] <sevlor> Who all has got skip and replay to work in mythdvd?
[23:41] <levander> It's awesome that x-forwarding works with mythfrontend.  Now I don't have to send all the ripping traffic across the network.
[23:41] <foxbuntu> sevlor, depends on the player you are using
[23:41] <levander> foxbuntu: What do you do?
[23:41] <sevlor> internal
[23:41] <foxbuntu> levander, what do you mean?
[23:42] <levander> foxbuntu: Do you just rip the longest title, or all of them?
[23:42] <foxbuntu> sevlor, are you trying to skip with a remote?
[23:42] <sevlor> yeah
[23:42] <levander> What am I missing if I don't rip all the short titles?
[23:42] <foxbuntu> levander, I rip everything but menus subs and extra usually
[23:42] <sevlor> i have an MCE remote and it has skip and replay which are binded to "z" and "q" which work as skip and reverse in normal play
[23:42] <sevlor> but don't work in mythdvd
[23:43] <foxbuntu> Im not sure what the bindings are in mythdvd
[23:43] <foxbuntu> i would assume the same as the rest of mythtv
[23:43] <foxbuntu> have you tried via a keyboard
[23:44] <sevlor> yeah q and z don't work for skip or back
[23:44] <foxbuntu> looks at the wiki and find out the bindings
[23:45] <foxbuntu> sevlor, I meant you go look at wiki
[23:46] <tgm4883_laptop> or install mythcontrol or mythkey
[23:46] <tgm4883_laptop> or whatever that is
[23:46] <tgm4883_laptop> that lets you rebind keys from the frontend
[23:47] <WcktKlwn> how well does mythbuntu run on a laptop?
[23:48] <tgm4883_laptop> uh, great
[23:48] <foxbuntu> well what needs to happen as well is an mlg handler needs to be built for it if infact they are seperate from myth
[23:54] <foxbuntu> OpenMedia, hey
[23:55] <OpenMedia> Hi.. Hows things
[23:55] <foxbuntu> Good you?
[23:55] <OpenMedia> Not bad..
[23:55] <OpenMedia> Having fun getting the NZ DTT stuff working.. So near and yet so far.
[23:56] <OpenMedia> Hows 8.04 going?
[23:56] <foxbuntu> I really liked your presentation awhile back
[23:56] <foxbuntu> Its going
[23:56] <foxbuntu> :)
[23:56] <OpenMedia> Which presentation is that?
[23:56] <foxbuntu> we have switched to .21 in 8.04
[23:56] <OpenMedia> Yeah I noticed.. Been testing the 0.21 weeklies
[23:56] <foxbuntu> I forget the name of the conf
[23:57] <OpenMedia> OSDC or LCA?
[23:57] <foxbuntu> LCA
[23:57] <OpenMedia> The Consumer presentation?
[23:57] <OpenMedia> Did you watch the video?
[23:57] <foxbuntu> yea
[23:57] <OpenMedia> Pleased you liked it. I had quite a good turn out, and some excellent questions.
[23:57] <foxbuntu> yeah...sure looked like it
[23:58] <OpenMedia> We also showed off at the OpenDay on the Saturday with some Local MythTV users.
[23:58] <foxbuntu> cool
[23:58] <OpenMedia> Shame 0.21 won't support DTT in NZ without some serious patchig.
[23:58] <OpenMedia> for a start we need AAC support for audio to work,
[23:58] <foxbuntu> oh no
[23:58] <OpenMedia> Plus the H.264 support we need isn't in their current FFMPEG merge
[23:59] <OpenMedia> Even patched Mplayer straight off SVN struggles with some of the streasm.
[23:59] <foxbuntu> yeah
[23:59] <foxbuntu> well you have one big thing going for you that you dont have to fight :)