[00:06] <Pricey> Haha.... scheduled to talk at lrl us
[00:06] <Pricey> Matthew Garrett (Power Management / Anger)
[00:08] <Pricey> I wonder if that is power as in "rawr I have ops!!! I had better be careful how many people I kick", or "hmmm laptop won't turn on"
[00:08] <Pricey> :P
[00:10] <LjL> lrl?
[00:12] <Pricey> lugradio live
[00:12] <LjL> ah
[00:12] <LjL> Pricey: i bet it is more like "how to make your keyboard last more than 3 months modulo coffee drops"
[00:14] <Pricey> LjL, so are you driving up for lrl uk?
[00:14] <LjL> Pricey: yup, i've even fitted my car with some floaters to pass the channel
[00:14] <Pricey> LjL, you can take it on the train...?
[00:15] <LjL> Pricey: yeah, well, anyway, it was a no :)
[00:15] <Pricey> how rude
[00:16]  * LjL sometimes crosses the city border, but is always anxious when doing so
[00:17] <LjL> besides, i don't see myself driving on the left either
[00:35] <Seeker`> LjL: its not that hard to get used to
[00:40] <nalioth> LjL: no, it's actually not hard to get used to at all
[00:40] <Seeker`> its driving on the right thats odd
[00:40] <nalioth> the first near head-on collision will cause your brain to keep the correct side of the road foremost in your mind
[00:41] <Seeker`> heh
[00:41] <Seeker`> I've known people that have driven on the left on the continent, and every time they went to change gear, they ended up hitting the door with their arm
[00:42] <Seeker`> nalioth: do they believe in gears wherever it is you are from?
[00:42]  * nalioth drives a huge truck with 5 of them
[00:42] <Seeker`> AIUI most americans drive automatics
[00:42] <Seeker`> not so sure about the rest of europe
[00:42] <nalioth> most americans are *******
[00:43] <Seeker`> rest of europe = europe - UK
[00:44] <LjL> nalioth: what happens if those first near collisions are not near?
[00:45] <nalioth> LjL: then you won't have to worry about the correct side of the road  :(
[00:45] <LjL> Seeker`: we drive manual
[00:45] <LjL> nalioth: point
[00:45]  * Seeker` misses driving :(
[00:45] <LjL> and uhm, yeah, i think it might be harder to get used to the position in the car, than to the keeping-the-left thing itself
[00:45] <nalioth> LjL: i'd recommend renting an English car
[00:45] <LjL> but if i came with my own car that wouldn't be an issue
[00:46] <nalioth> LjL: it's harder in your own car
[00:46] <nalioth> you revert back to your usual driving habits (and veer into the right lane as is your usual wont)
[00:46]  * Seeker` wonders if the pedals are reversed in a Left hand drive car
[00:46] <nalioth> Seeker`: nope
[00:46] <LjL> but i'd put in the fifth instead of the first! =)
[00:46] <LjL> Seeker`: ...
[00:47] <Seeker`> LjL: ?
[00:47] <LjL> Seeker`: what an interesting idea :P
[00:47] <LjL> anyway i thought left-hand cars were also relatively common in the uk
[00:47] <Seeker`> not afaik
[00:47] <Seeker`> they do exist, just not that many of them
[00:48] <Seeker`> 99% are probably right hand drive
[00:48] <LjL> anyway what is true is that, by foot, it was easier to learn to look right first when i went to the UK, than to re-learn to look left when i went back home
[00:49] <LjL> i guess it was obviously because i was paying attention in the UK, while when i came back i wouldn't
[00:50] <Seeker`> I recently did "pass plus", which is something for drivers who have recently passed their test - they do 6 hours of driving with an instructor covering night, all weather, town, country, dual carriadge and motorway driving
[00:50] <Seeker`> my instructor would often ask me why i was in gear x coming up to a junction
[00:51] <Seeker`> and I quite often couldn't tell him, becuase I just did what seemed natural, I wasn't thinking about it
[00:51] <LjL> nalioth: also you know, while of course it's not comparable to reality, i used a little driving simulator software based on US roads (and also one based on european ones), and i was *really* put off in the US one by the fact that the traffic lights were only on the opposite side of the crossing, not your own. now i've no idea if that's like that everywhere... but i always ended up not noticing the light
[00:52] <LjL> Seeker`: i'm usually in gear X because it's what keeps me around 2500 RPM ;)
[00:52] <Seeker`> although I think his choice of gears was a bit dodgy - we would be driving through town at ~25mph, and he would tell me to keep it in 2nd - his poor engine was whining so badly :(
[00:53] <Seeker`> but as soon as we got out of town, he would complain that I dont go up to 4th quick enough
[00:55] <nalioth> LjL: we have traffic lights on poles on our side of the street, on poles on the opposite side of the street, on wires on our side, on wires on the other side, etc
[00:55] <Seeker`> nalioth: where do you live?
[00:55] <nalioth> Seeker`: Texas
[00:55] <Pricey> if he told you that he'd have to kline you
[00:56]  * Pricey loses
[00:56] <LjL> nalioth: *shrug* that simulator had them only on the opposite side... anyway it must be like that in some places of the US, because i'm pretty sure i read it somewhere in a "what's different when driving in europe" for americans
[00:56]  * nalioth loves guests
[00:56] <Pricey> party at nalioth's place!!!
[00:56] <nalioth> LjL: you come visit me, and i'll show you all 4 types i mentioned above, plus some you'll absolutely freak out when you see
[00:57]  * no0tic joins LjL in his trip
[00:57] <nalioth> LjL: oooooh, and when you come, bring money and I'll take you to New Jersey and show you that clusterf*** they call a street and road system
[00:58] <LjL> nalioth: well we have some i love here. such as the all-lights-on ones. you can get a green arrow, a yellow, and a red all together - and in turin i'm pretty sure i've seen some where the green wasn't an arrow, just a plain green... i suppose it still meant you couldn't turn, but i'm still not sure
[00:58] <nalioth> all green and not an arrow here means you don't have a protected turning situation
[00:58]  * Seeker` wonders how people would feel about the magic roundabout in swindon
[00:59] <LjL> nalioth: but green *and* red?
[00:59]  * nalioth has been through many roundabouts in Europe and the UK
[00:59] <LjL> Seeker`: i'm sure most of us have seen pictures. i'd feel like i'd instruct my GPS to avoid it.
[00:59] <nalioth> LjL: we never mix our colors here
[00:59] <Seeker`> nalioth: You seen the magic roundabout?
[00:59] <nalioth> Seeker`: not sure, i've been through quite a few
[00:59] <LjL> nalioth: well what i'm saying is *all* lights were on - red, yellow and green
[00:59] <Seeker`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon)
[01:00] <nalioth> LjL: sounds like a fault to me
[01:00] <Seeker`> that roundabout in swindon is actually on a couple of driving test routes
[01:01] <LjL> nalioth: could be, but i think i saw more than one. anyway, the milan ones (i.e. green arrow, yellow, and red all together) are already a bit baffling to me - although i've got used to understanding what they mean
[01:01] <LjL> Seeker`: hm the WP article doesn't have the most impressive photos though
[01:01] <Seeker`> LjL: No, but it gets the idea across
[01:02] <LjL> yeah but this is better http://vanrees.org/thesis/swindon.jpg
[01:02] <no0tic> LjL, I saw them too
[01:02] <nalioth> Seeker`: didn't make it to Swindon, unfortunately
[01:02]  * nalioth took a German car to the UK 
[01:02] <Seeker`> nalioth: whereabouts in the UK have you been?
[01:04] <nalioth> London
[01:04] <nalioth> some other places that I don't remember as I was driving around
[01:05]  * nalioth drove around the whole of the UK
[01:05] <Seeker`> any particular reason?
[01:05] <nalioth> just went there to have a look around
[01:05] <Seeker`> fair enough
[01:05] <Seeker`> any parts you particularly liked?
[01:06] <nalioth> well, i found London very interesting and could have spend my entire vacation time there
[01:06] <nalioth> unfortunately, my friend wanted to see specific spots all over the UK and Europe during our vacation time
[01:07] <LjL> yeah i'm tired of this lapland now, let's drive to sicily
[01:07] <Seeker`> Bath is nice :) as is quite a lot of cornwall
[01:07] <Seeker`> Lands End was fun
[01:09]  * nalioth was chased by a crazed Scots storekeeper
[01:10] <Seeker`> heh
[01:11] <Pricey> lol.... nalioth drove around the UK for fun...
[01:12] <nalioth> yep, it was fun, too
[01:12]  * nalioth loved the looks he got from fellow drivers when he unrolled his window to ask for directions at the traffic lights . . . 
[01:12] <Seeker`> did you have to do that often?
[01:13] <Pricey> haha
[01:13] <Seeker`> how long ago did you do this?
[01:13] <Pricey> hahah
[01:13] <nalioth> this was back in 1991
[01:13] <Seeker`> wow, quite a while ago then
[01:13] <nalioth> back when you lot were mostly kiddies
[01:13] <Seeker`> (I was 5 at the time)
[01:15] <Seeker`> nalioth: does that make you feel old?
[01:16] <nalioth> i don't feel old at all
[01:22] <LjL> i do, and i was a kiddie in 91
[01:24]  * no0tic 8 in '91
[01:24] <Seeker`> heh
[01:52] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-us-oh, tnseditor said: ubotu is a bot, and eddieftw is from Chicago
[02:34] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, recon said: !furby is fun to microwave.
[04:09] <nzk> Alright, it had been over a year. 13 months, give or take a few days. Can I finally be unbanned from -offtopic?
[04:18] <nzk> I think it was Hobbsee that banned me, if it helps at all.
[04:19] <nickrud> nzk: seems like the regular ops aren't around right now, you should check back in an hour or two
[04:20] <nzk> Alright. Is it okay if I wait here?
[04:20] <nickrud> yes. 
[05:20] <Myrtti> huomenta
[05:27] <vircuser> hello. I wanted to ask about bundling systems that we sell with ubuntu
[05:28] <vircuser> is anyone here who could give me an official contact I could forward my questions to?
[05:28] <nalioth> vircuser: try #canonical
[05:29] <vircuser> ok thanks
[05:30] <vircuser> nope, doesn't work..
[05:30] <vircuser> redirects me to an https domain
[05:33] <Hobbsee> try #canonical-sysadmins
[05:57] <emmajane> Out of curiosity: is there a way to NOT allow the user name "stupidgirl"? Check #ubuntu
[05:59] <stdin> emmajane: I don't see them misbehaving in #ubuntu
[05:59] <emmajane> erm. it's the name itself.
[05:59] <emmajane> i take issue with "stupid" being used as a name and especially when associated with "girl"
[06:00] <stdin> how do you know that the user isn't female?
[06:00] <emmajane> I don't really care what gender they are.
[06:01] <emmajane> that's not the point.
[06:01] <emmajane> I have an issue with people seeing "stupid" next to "girl" repeatedly.
[06:02] <Seveas> emmajane, this is not a place to get help with your "issues"
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> I don't have an issue with the name, but iirc we have had problems with that user before, so worth watching
[06:02] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, yup, was about to say
[06:02]  * emmajane has an issue with the name and if these are the ops then I'm pretty sure this is the place I'd report having an issue. Am I wrong about that?
[06:03] <Seveas> emmajane, yes. Ops don't deal with people's emotional issues. Only channel management
[06:03] <emmajane> this is not an "emotional" issue.
[06:03] <emmajane> this has to do with the name being offensive towards women.
[06:03] <emmajane> You've read the code, right?
[06:04] <stdin> would it be ass offensive to you if it were "stupidboy" ?
[06:04] <Seveas> stdin, :)
[06:04] <stdin> *as
[06:04] <emmajane> yes, it would.
[06:04] <emmajane> I don't like the word "stupid" associated with either gender.
[06:04] <Seveas> btw, stupidgirl is a girl and history has shown she's stupid as well
[06:04] <emmajane> or race
[06:04] <emmajane> or whatever.
[06:04] <nickrud> she certainly isn't stupid
[06:04] <emmajane> Generally family friendly means all ages.
[06:04] <nickrud> not clueful, but not stupid
[06:05] <emmajane> My kids are definitely not permitted to use the word.
[06:05] <stdin> I think you're a but to sensitive (IMO), I would not have a problem with someone calling them self stupid if they wanted to
[06:05] <Seveas> nickrud, I consider trolls to be stupid :)
[06:05] <emmajane> stdin: I think I'm trying to advocate for friendly language.
[06:05] <nickrud> Seveas: haven't seen the trolling part, but I'd agree in principle
[06:06] <Seveas> emmajane, then be friendly and let someone call herself stupid if she wants to
[06:06] <emmajane> Seveas: You're missing the point.
[06:06] <stdin> we can't possible moderate every user in the channel so they can't possibly offend anyone, I'm afraid we have to pick our battles a bit
[06:06] <Seveas> nickrud, I refered to that when calling her stupid. Not her actions right now :)
[06:06] <Seveas> stdin, you offend me. Change your nick to stderr to admit you are wrong.
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> emmajane: If a user was calling another user stupid, you would have a case, but I don't think any of us see a problem with self-reference.
[06:06] <nickrud> rflol
[06:06] <Seveas> :)
[06:07]  * emmajane notes the lack of respect taht her issue is being given. Duly noted and thank you for your attention.
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> weird
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Disagreement is lack of respect now?
[06:08]  * stdin could come up with a woman joke here, but won't for fear of offending the pope
[06:09]  * nickrud looks around, and notices it was all male
[06:09] <Seveas> I doubt elkbuntu or hobbsee would disagree with it
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: True, so we'll have this line ping elkbuntu in case she'd like to chime in.
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: although they said it didn't matter which gender it was, so if we simply believe that it's not a problem.
[06:11] <nickrud> tonyyarusso: <emmajane> i take issue with "stupid" being used as a name and especially when associated with "girl"
[06:11] <stdin> I don't think they would have cared so much if it was "boy"
[06:11] <stdin> or they'd have asked for a ban on *stupid*!*@*
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: I'd rather pay attention to the latter of the two contradictory statements, since it supports my point better.  :P
[06:12] <nickrud> heh
[06:13] <nickrud> anyone seen LjL 's cumulative #ubuntu irc stats <preens> 
[06:13]  * nickrud wonders why he spends so much time there
[06:14]  * no0tic had
[06:14] <no0tic> nickrud, nice job
[06:15] <nickrud> The really amazing thing was bob2 was so high in the list, and he hasn't been around for at least a couple years (that I've seen)
[06:16] <no0tic> nickrud, counting lines, not chars
[06:16] <no0tic> nickrud, yes, chars too, indeed :)
[06:17] <nickrud> he was the abolute best I've ever seen
[06:22] <elkbuntu> stupidgirl is a known troll
[06:23] <nickrud> the question is about the nick itself, though
[06:47] <vircuser> what about stupidneuter?
[06:47] <vircuser> that wouldn't offend a gender would it?
[06:47] <vircuser> would stupidgenius offend geniuses?
[06:51] <vircuser> how about stupidvista? ;)
[07:11] <elkbuntu> there's been unofficial bob2s over the years too
[09:19] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (pocketsnooker (spamming a game website & trolling earlier))
[09:54] <dgjones> Hi if anybody is here, pocketsnooker is back spamming his games site link again, just done it one so far
[09:54] <dgjones> sorry, in #ubuntu
[09:54] <Gary> he is kickbanned now
[09:55] <dgjones> Thanks Gary
[10:30]  * jussi01 walks in
[10:30] <jpatrick> yo jussi01 
[10:32] <jussi01> heya jpatrick anythin interesting happening?
[10:32] <jpatrick> suffering
[10:32] <jpatrick> at school forced to code VB
[10:32] <jussi01> heh, me also - stupid thesis prep course
[10:33] <jpatrick> we need to learn real languages
[10:33] <no0tic> jussi01, thesis prep course? they teach you how to write a thesis?
[10:33] <jussi01> no0tic: yeah... sigh... 
[10:33] <no0tic> jussi01, nice
[11:44] <vircuser> you can always make a  'grown up' language out of it by adding assembly code ;)
[11:44] <vircuser> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~draw3d/assembly.html
[11:44] <vircuser> e.g.
[12:25] <Pici> !ping
[12:25] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[12:30] <Gary> hehe
[13:21] <Pici> hrm.
[13:22] <Pici> I dont think we should be suggesting ebox.
[13:22] <ikonia> I mentioned this earlier
[13:22] <ikonia> (as in a few weeks ago)
[13:22] <ikonia> ( I agreed ) 
[13:22] <ikonia> agee I should say 
[13:22] <ikonia> (spelling)
[13:23] <ikonia> any particular reason your not for it Pici 
[13:23] <Pici> (!enter), anyway, ebox-firewall appears to disallow any incoming connections, which is bad if you're installing remotely.  
[13:23] <Pici> bug 129090
[13:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129090 in ebox-firewall "eBox doesn't allow outgoing connections from eBox server itself." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129090
[13:23] <ikonia> Thats a bit more of a specific reason
[13:24] <Pici> 2 People in #ubuntu right now just installed it and lost the ability to do anything remotely.
[13:24] <ikonia> not a good situation
[13:24] <Pici> I *think* thats the same bug#
[13:25] <ikonia> sounds like  reasonable assumption
[13:46] <Pricey> About the "stupidgirl" nick above.
[13:47] <Pici> Eh?
[13:47] <Pricey> If 'she' had come into the channel, and started "oh I'm a girl, but I'm so clueless, won't one of you strong men help me?" then yeah just kick them out. If they're acting fine then leave it.
[13:47] <Pricey> I see no problem with the nick itself.
[13:47] <Pici> Me either.
[13:48] <Pricey> vircuser, WarrenHW, Hello there. Can I help you?
[13:48] <Pici> I refer to figure 1: todays xkcd.
[13:48] <Pici> http://www.xkcd.com/385/
[13:49] <Pricey> I don't get the math...
[13:49] <Pricey> but the generalisation is fun.
[13:49] <Pricey> I still haven't gotten over 383 though :(
[13:59] <Mez> 383 = Randall Stalking me
[14:17] <ikonia> Pici: I see what you mean, another use with ebox issues has join #ubuntu
[14:39] <ubotu> NthDegree called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[15:19] <Pricey> Hey there stylus_, how can I help?
[15:20] <stylus_> pricey: sorry, kind of joined by accident.
[15:20] <stylus_> this channel was on the autojoin list from a long long time ago. 
[15:24] <Tm_T> 1719.02 -!- ki [n=helppp@cpc1-flee1-0-0-cust387.glfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu
[15:24] <Tm_T> 1719.02 -!- ki is "tomcruise"
[15:24] <Tm_T> 1719.04 < ki>  shut up youre watching top gear donkey sex on steroids that physically makes you hurt sometimes if you are not cool after playing chess cranking that soulja boy that sings different to teh way they sound meaning that sometimes they go outside
[15:24] <Pici> Tm_T: I know.
[15:24] <Tm_T> Pricey: do you know?
[15:24] <Pici> Tm_T: I informed #freenode about it.
[15:25] <Pici> He did the same thing in #defocus
[15:25] <Tm_T> Pici: aah, splendid :))
[15:37] <Pricey> Hi hk2999, how can I help?
[15:38] <hk2999> i was banned from ubuntu-offtopic years ago
[15:38] <hk2999> uh... months actually
[15:38] <hk2999> i want to know if i can be unbanned now.
[15:39] <hk2999> i think the name of the one who banned me was Pici
[15:39] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[15:39]  * Mez shoves sock in Myrtti's mouth
[15:39] <Myrtti> sorry
[15:39] <Mez> @btlogin
[15:39] <Myrtti> my bad
[15:40] <Mez> :P
[15:40] <Pricey> hk2999, remember why you were banned?
[15:40] <Pricey> quiet children
[15:40]  * Pici is here, fyi.
[15:40] <hk2999> i compared sabdfl for hitler
[15:40] <Pricey> you can deal with it if you want then Pici? :)
[15:41] <hk2999> hey Pici, it's been months now, and i miss my offtopic, so can i be unbanned now?
[15:41] <Pici> hk2999: Its been 18 days. Secondly, thats what you were banned for, do you know *why* you were banned though?
[15:42] <hk2999> yeah, the hitler thing?
[15:42]  * hk2999 is never gonna do it again
[15:42] <Mez> Pici, 17 ;)
[15:42] <Mez> (days)
[15:43] <Pici> hk2999: I need you tor ead some links before we can concider removing the ban.
[15:43] <Pici> !coc | hk2999 
[15:43] <ubotu> hk2999: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[15:43] <Pici> !guidelines | hk2999 
[15:43] <ubotu> hk2999: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[15:44] <hk2999> i will follow it to the letter, please unban me now.
[15:45] <Pricey> hk2999, how do we know you won't start doing something silly again?
[15:45] <hk2999> well, you can permaban me
[15:45] <hk2999> from freenode?
[15:45] <Pricey> I hear you were asking for redhat support in #ubuntu earlier for example? odd?
[15:46] <hk2999> if i ever violate the tos again.
[15:46] <Pricey> i can't no
[15:46] <hk2999> well, im using ubuntu to access the rhel server and the problem is concerning linux in general (/etc/passwd)
[15:47] <Pricey> so you think that is justified?
[15:47] <hk2999> so #ubuntu was the first thing to mind
[15:47] <Pici> Why not ##linux?
[15:47] <Pricey> hk2999, you haven't read the guidelines, do it again please.
[15:49] <hk2999> i already did. i was just kind of emotionally hijacked when i did that rhel blooper
[15:49] <hk2999> will search freenode for the most relevant topic next time, promise.
[15:55] <hk2999> i'll brb after another month then. i'll be a good ubuntuer until then. bye ^^
[16:01] <nzk> Okay. I see some of the ops are back, so I'll try again: It's been 13 months since my ban in -offtopic, and Hobbsee (I believe) said that after 12, I would be let back in. So, can I be unbanned from there?
[17:11] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu (Intangir)
[17:11] <jpatrick> Pici: sorry for the typo
[17:11] <Pici> jpatrick: you missed :p
[17:12] <jpatrick> oh god
[17:12] <jpatrick> ** yogurt2ungue_ [n=yogurt2u@190.48.43.94] has joined #ubuntu-es
[17:12] <jpatrick> ah, he left..
[17:13] <jpatrick> must of seen me :)
[17:30] <ubotu> NthDegree called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[17:32] <stdin> can someone update !xincludes, all it needs is xorg-dev and xlibs-dev doesn't exist any more
[17:33] <Pici> !xincludes
[17:33] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   xorg-dev
[17:33] <Pici> !xincludes =~ s/xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev xorg-dev/xorg-dev xlibs-dev/
[17:33] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Pici said: !xincludes =~ s/xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev xorg-dev/xorg-dev xlibs-dev/
[17:33] <Pici> ...
[17:34] <jpatrick> you forgot to @login?
[17:34] <Pici> yes
[17:34] <stdin> xlibs-static-dev doesn't exist either, they are all shared now
[17:35] <Pici> !xlibs
[17:35] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xorg-dev xlibs-dev
[17:35] <stdin> good, but xlibs-dev doesn't exist ;) just needs xorg-dev
[17:36] <Pici> !xlibs | stdin hows this?
[17:36] <ubotu> stdin hows this?: When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following package: xorg-dev
[17:37] <stdin> looks better, at least people won't get a "package not found" now :)
[18:23] <Pici> Seveas: ping, regarding a ban.
[18:29] <white_eagle> will you please take off the ban at #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:29] <Pici> white_eagle: What ban?
[18:29] <white_eagle> on my cloak
[18:30] <nzk> ompaul: Could I talk to you regarding my ban in -offtopic?
[18:30] <Pici> white_eagle: Have you been in there all day knowingly evading the ban?
[18:30] <white_eagle> the ban isn't there all day
[18:31] <ompaul> Sending CTCPs or notices to a channel is very obnoxious 
[18:31] <white_eagle> it for about 30 mins
[18:31] <white_eagle> sorry but I didn't knew that when I /ping
[18:31] <ompaul> nzk, I did not implement it 
[18:31] <white_eagle> in irssi, it pings the whole channel
[18:31] <nzk> ompaul: Alright, sorry then.
[18:31] <ompaul> white_eagle, and what did you think it does?
[18:31] <white_eagle> I thought it will only ping me
[18:31] <white_eagle> like in xchat
[18:32] <ompaul> white_eagle if you are going to use power tools can you at least look at the manual?
[18:32] <Pici> white_eagle: When did you realize you were banned?
[18:32] <white_eagle> it was my first run
[18:33] <white_eagle> when I couldn't join #ubuntu-offtopic via irssi
[18:33] <white_eagle> nothing showed up
[18:33] <ompaul> white_eagle, you seem to manage about once every 10 days to get banned did you notice that?
[18:33] <white_eagle> ompaul, ??
[18:33] <white_eagle> no
[18:33] <white_eagle> the last ban was before 30 days
[18:33] <white_eagle> around new-year i think, not sure
[18:35] <ompaul> Dec 16 Dec 20 Dec 23  Dec 24 Dec 26 Dec 28 Jan 10 	Jan 30 Feb 02 	Feb 11 	Feb 18
[18:35] <ompaul> not very good 
[18:35] <white_eagle> feb 11?
[18:35] <ompaul> yes
[18:36] <white_eagle> I remember Feb 2 was for something similar to this
[18:36] <ompaul> not the point
[18:36] <white_eagle> maybe I'm very stupid
[18:36] <ompaul> you seem to not understand something
[18:36] <white_eagle> what
[18:36] <white_eagle> I was trolling the first days of my use
[18:36] <white_eagle> I know
[18:36] <ompaul> well 
[18:37] <ompaul> really i think you need to appraise what you are doing
[18:37] <white_eagle> appraise, tell me what that means, a new word to me, really
[18:37] <ompaul> where is the disconnect and why
[18:38] <ompaul> white_eagle, in google type    >>> define: appraise <<<
[18:38] <white_eagle> my english is not perfect
[18:38] <white_eagle> thanks
[18:38] <white_eagle> oh, you mean to judge myself
[18:39] <white_eagle> I don't know what more to say to you than a promise
[18:39] <white_eagle> that I won't ping or troll, but the real excuse for pinging, and constant joining and quitting is my sluggish net connection
[18:39] <white_eagle> thats one of the best offers I can get over here
[18:40] <ompaul> .de does have some real ISPs you know and some of the worst ones also
[18:40] <white_eagle> ?
[18:41] <white_eagle> what does that have to do
[18:41] <white_eagle> with my problem
[18:41] <ompaul> I can't read :)
[18:41] <ompaul> I got the wrong ip :)
[18:41] <white_eagle> oh
[18:43] <ompaul> I'll lift the ban, you know it would be better to ask what something does or research it before you try it
[18:43] <white_eagle> thanks
[18:43] <ompaul> after all doing the wrong thing gets you banned
[18:44] <ompaul> but you are already in there
[18:44] <ompaul> hmm
[18:44] <white_eagle> the ban is on my cloak
[18:44] <white_eagle> not on my IP
[18:44] <ompaul> ahh
[18:44] <ompaul> okay let me give you a word of warning
[18:45] <ompaul> never join a channel without a cloak if you have been banned
[18:45] <ompaul> once you are told that part of you is banned all of you is banned
[18:45] <ompaul> avoiding bans will get you removed from the server
[18:45] <white_eagle> huh? really?
[18:46] <ompaul> yes
[18:46] <ompaul> really 
[18:46] <white_eagle> not related to my problem, but why is that nzk guy baned?
[18:46] <ompaul> nothing to do with you 
[18:46] <ompaul> now please leave here
[18:46] <white_eagle> ok
[18:46] <white_eagle> bye
[18:46] <ompaul> who is the vircuser?
[18:47] <Pici> I dont know.
[18:47] <ompaul> well for not replying 
[18:47] <ompaul> hmm bye
[18:47] <ompaul> heh
[18:48] <Pricey> I'd forgotten that the ubuntu developer week has started
[18:49] <Pricey> heads up in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat guys
[18:49] <ompaul> Pricey, the ubuntu developer week starter
[18:49] <Pici> Already there :)
[18:49] <Pici> Its been quiet.
[18:56] <ompaul> guys should we do the thing about "locking up the classroom" 
[18:57] <nalioth> ompaul: that is usually the presenters decision
[18:57] <ompaul> k
[18:57] <nalioth> of course, if it gets too unruly . . .
[18:57] <Pici> Like I said, its been quiet ;)
[19:16] <ubotu> In ubotu, vinay_ said: Which is the best torrent client for Ubuntu?
[19:16] <Tm_T> erm
[19:16] <Pici> bot > vinay_
[19:17] <Pici> !bot > vinay_
[19:17] <Pici> !best > vinay_
[20:24] <Pici> !test
[20:24] <ubotu> Failed.
[20:24] <Seeker`> !test
[20:24] <ompaul> Seeker`, see above
[20:24]  * ompaul rofl
[20:24] <Seeker`> I wanted to see if I could pass :(
[20:25] <ompaul> to another channel or just some other dimenseion
[20:25] <ompaul> dimension 
[20:26] <Seveas> Pici, ?
[20:26] <Pici> Seveas: nzk 
[20:26] <Seveas> Pici, eww. No swearing please
[20:26] <Seveas> That's a permban
[20:27] <Pici> Seveas: Well, he wants to discuss it with you, since he thinks hes been banned for long enough.  
[20:27] <Pici> I don't want to get in the middle of it though.
[20:27]  * Pici is just the messenger
[20:27]  * ompaul shoots Pici 
[20:28] <Seveas> Pici, there's no discussion, permban is permban :)
[20:28] <ompaul> saves the others their bullets
[20:33] <nzk> Seveas: Not from either channel?
[20:34] <Seveas> permban is permban, holds for all channels
[20:34] <nzk> Why a permaban?
[20:35] <Seveas> we've answered that every time you came in here. No need to waste more time. Goodbye
[20:36] <nzk> Actually, you never answered that question. How is mild trolling, almost two years ago, and saying one command enough to warrant a permaban?
[20:38]  * Pricey wonders why are trolling and malicious commands ever warranted
[20:39] <nzk> It wasn't malicious
[20:39] <nzk> I was wondering if somebody was an operator, so I did the exclamation point ops command, not knowing it's a "911".
[20:41] <nzk> Besides, it was 400 days ago...
[20:41] <nzk> I even did the math.
[20:42] <nzk> People are in prison for shorter amounts of time, for worse offences.
[20:43] <Pricey> Nothing to ever warrant trolling then...?
[20:44] <nzk> The trolling was 542 days ago, and it wasn't even that bad. I wasn't even a Linux user back then, and I was pretty young.
[20:44] <Pricey> Nevermind.
[20:45] <ompaul> 400!=542
[20:45] <ompaul> still at it
[20:45]  * ompaul wanders off
[20:46] <Seveas> ompaul, and it was 'little over a year' and 'almost two years' as well ;)
[20:46] <nzk> 400 days in -offtopic, and 542 in #ubuntu
[20:46] <nzk> 400 is "a little over a year"
[20:46] <nzk> And 542 is just slightly over a year and a half, so it's "almost two years".
[20:47] <Seveas> well guess what
[20:47] <Seveas> multiply those numbers by 10
[20:47] <Seveas> and maybe you're allowed back in after that time
[20:48] <nzk> Even murderers don't get sentences that harsh.
[20:48] <nzk> You even said that I'd be let back after a year, back when I was first banned.
[20:48] <LjL> you aren't in prison in case you didn't notice
[20:49] <nzk> 15 years banning for asking if anyone had seen a movie... No words can describe that
[20:49] <Seveas> nzk, good, then maybe you'll be quiet :)
[20:49] <nzk> So there is nothing, not one thing on this entire planet, that I can do to get unbanned?
[20:50] <Seveas> correct
[20:50] <LjL> Seveas: uhm wait
[20:50] <LjL> cash should do
[20:50] <ompaul> LjL, he don't have enough
[20:50] <LjL> ah nevermind then
[20:51] <Pricey> "murders don't get sentences as harsh as not being allowed into #ubuntu for a year?"
[20:51] <nzk> Pricey: Seveas said "he'd consider" unbanning me in 15 years
[20:51] <nzk> Just like he said "he'd consider" unbanning me after 1 year
[20:52] <LjL> murderers don't get sentences as harsh as not being allowed into #ubuntu for 15 years?
[20:52] <Seveas> nzk, you might be onto something there
[20:52] <nzk> I was referring to the time
[20:53] <LjL> he was hinting to the fact that it'll likely be 15^2 years next time
[20:53] <Seeker`> Banning people from #ubuntu for murder would certainly reduce prison costs
[20:55] <Pricey> Why can nzk not reply to what I say. If I ask a question he returns answers to different questions. if I make a statement he replies with something else random.
[20:55] <nzk> You didn't ask a question
[20:55] <LjL> Pricey: you noticed that too?
[20:55] <Seveas> Pricey, that's his metier
[20:55] <Seveas> classic trolling
[20:56] <nzk> Pricey: I was responding to your question.
[20:56] <ompaul> Pricey, you know that Album by Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run perhaps Born To Troll is the phase that escapes you.
[20:56] <nzk> And you surprise me the most, ompaul. You used to be nice.
[20:57] <Pricey> nzk, without answering the question...
[20:57]  * nalioth notes that ompaul was replaced last year by an automaton
[20:57] <ompaul> see no powers
[20:57] <Pricey> nzk, I've not made any opinion of you publically. I haven't stated whether I think you should stayed banned or not. I just think its reeeally annoying you don't respond with related answers or statements.
[20:58] <nzk> I apologize, then. I was trying to answer your questions to the best of my ability.
[20:59] <ompaul> nzk, see your reply to: * Pricey wonders why are trolling and malicious commands ever warranted
[20:59] <ompaul> in the PR world they would say your answer was "not helpful"
[20:59] <nzk> I said "...and one command". And assumed it was malicious, so I explained it to him.
[21:04] <ompaul> nzk, see - you have had 4 minutes reply positively to the last comment 
[21:04] <ompaul> I give up
[21:05] <ompaul> back to shell scripting the office 
[21:07]  * Seveas replaces ompaul with a small but efficient shellscript
[21:08]  * mneptok segfaults his pants
[21:08] <Seveas> I'm not going to clean up that core dump
[21:08] <ompaul> Seveas, it would beat my crud :)
[21:09] <ompaul> ohh dear
[21:09]  * ompaul head desks
[21:14] <Seveas> --- [ASD5A] (n=ooioioio@unaffiliated/asd6a) : JOHN DOE
[21:14] <Seveas> --- [ASD5A] #ubuntu-offtopic #linux.de ##/dev/random ##trangle #avs 
[21:14] <Seveas> ##trangle and arguing in favor of nzk
[21:15] <Seveas> how unsurprising
[21:16] <Seveas> actually, it is surprising as he's arguing the other way around :)
[21:31] <LjL> oh crap
[21:31] <LjL> nzk has found -youth
[21:31] <Seeker`> LjL: is that a problem?
[21:31] <LjL> wait and see
[21:32] <mneptok> shouldn't that be -yoof ?
[21:33] <nickrud>    /j #ubuntu-youth
[21:33] <Seeker`> nickrud: try it without the spaces :P
[21:33] <nickrud> heh. I was announcing my intent ;p
[21:33]  * nickrud has statistical answers to everything
[21:34] <Seeker`> what counts as a "youth"
[21:34] <Pricey> nzk is 15?
[21:34] <Pricey> jpatrick, ping
[21:34] <jpatrick> Pricey: pong
[21:35] <Pricey> jpatrick, just checking whether you've read above
[21:35] <jpatrick> Pricey: yep and he's 14
[21:35] <Seeker`> what is the upper limit on being a youth?
[21:36] <Pricey> jpatrick, I'm referring to more than the last 3 minutes?
[21:37] <ompaul> well he has always claimed to be a lot older than that
[21:37] <ompaul> which is what I have judged him against
[21:37] <jpatrick> Pricey: I'm keeping an eye on him
[21:38] <jpatrick> ompaul: he seemed pretty amazed at my wikipage :p
[21:39] <ompaul> jpatrick, well there ya go - you got some hero worship coming your way ;-)
[21:57] <unagi> are there rules against being facetious?
[21:57] <Pricey> "be respectful?" :/
[21:57] <unagi>  could be
[22:16] <ompaul> BumberBot3K  anyi
[22:16] <ompaul> anyone got an opinion about that nick?
[22:18] <LjL> it's chatzilla
[22:18] <nalioth> it the person acting the fool?
[22:18] <LjL> maybe he just likes that nick
[22:19] <ompaul> I just saw the nick 
[22:19] <LjL> will sneak a ctcp version to be sure
[22:19] <ompaul> LjL, the sneak ;-)
[22:19] <ompaul> hehe
[22:19] <LjL> [23:19:12] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from BumberBot3K: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121].
[22:19]  * jpatrick hugs his +C
[22:20] <LjL> jpatrick: nice not seeing when the channel is attacked, isn't it :P
[22:21] <ompaul> right folks I am off cheers
[22:21] <jpatrick> LjL: whoops
[22:21] <LjL> jpatrick: better to find a way (if your client has any) to not send CTCP replies (or to delay the sending)
[22:23] <LjL> what would be cool is a *channel* +C mode...
[22:30] <jpatrick> LjL: I'm off to bed, watch -youth :p
[22:39] <LjL> night
[22:41] <jpatrick> got it btw: http://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/fakectcp.pl
[22:42] <LjL> uhm that fakes it but doesn't prevent you to be flooded by it does it
[22:44] <jpatrick>  /IGNORE * CTCPS ?
[22:44] <LjL> jpatrick: on my client, that doesn't let you *see* them either
[22:45]  * jpatrick uses irssi :)
[22:45] <LjL> yeah, and on irssi an /ignore lets you see the stuff that's sent? don't think so
[22:46] <jpatrick> it's what I read here: http://irssi.org/documentation/manual
[22:47] <LjL> jpatrick: yeah but that has the same effect as +C... it stop you from the replying to the CTCPs, but it also stops you from *seeing them coming*
[22:47] <jpatrick> ah ok
[22:51] <gouki> Hi
[22:51] <gouki> LjL, ping
[22:54] <gouki> Seveas: ping
[23:00] <mneptok> gouki: please state the nature of the emergency.
[23:00] <gouki> mneptok: Not really an emergency. I want to register a ubuntu- channel and would like to talk about it.
[23:01] <nalioth> gouki: we're listening :)
[23:01] <gouki> nalioth and mneptok: Thanks
[23:01] <gouki> So, the IRC channel would be for the PSUbuntu project (psubuntu.com).
[23:02] <gouki> The channel already exist but it's not registered. I was wondering if I can the approval to do it.
[23:03] <gouki> That's it guys. Need to know anything else?
[23:03] <mneptok> gouki: what is the channel name?
[23:03] <gouki> psubuntu, if possible. Only because it already exist and people know about it, mneptok 
[23:04]  * nalioth forgot to put batteries in his ESP today . . .
[23:04] <nalioth> gouki: we don't have anything to do with #psubuntu, i'm afraid
[23:04] <mneptok> gouki: my personal gut reaction is to use #ubuntu-ps3, as it follows the Ubuntu IRC channel naming convention
[23:04] <gouki> I see, mneptok 
[23:04] <gouki> nalioth: I understand. I preferred to talk to you guys first, even if the answer was that.
[23:04] <mneptok> gouki: side projects come and go. but the port is probably going top stick around.
[23:05] <mneptok> *to
[23:06] <gouki> mneptok: I understand
[23:07] <gouki> Would it be possible to forward from #psubuntu to #ubuntu-ps3?
[23:07] <nalioth> gouki: again, we have nothing to do with #psubuntu
[23:08] <gouki> nalioth: OK
[23:08] <nalioth> the only option i see is to have an bot spam users when they join
[23:08] <mneptok> gouki: official Ubuntu channels start with #ubuntu-
[23:09] <mneptok> gouki: as #psubuntu is not an official channel, it's not the domain of the Ubuntu IRC Council.
[23:09] <mneptok> (of which i am not a member) ;)
[23:09] <nalioth> gouki: i suggest goin with #ubuntu-ps3 also
[23:10] <nalioth> or even <gasp> #ubuntu-ppc
[23:10] <nalioth> which playstation3 runs on, yes?
[23:10] <mneptok> nalioth: the architecture differences are enough i can see wanting a dedicated channel. but yeah ...
[23:11] <nalioth> mneptok: the powerpc port runs on the ps3, i believe
[23:11] <nalioth> it also runs on the IBM big iron power5 procs
[23:11] <mneptok> PS3 = Cell
[23:11]  * nalioth just doesn't want an #ubuntu-g5-ppc750 and an #ubuntu-g5-ppc-950 and so on
[23:11] <nalioth> mneptok: yes, and Cell = powerpc
[23:11] <gouki> nalioth: True
[23:13] <mneptok> nalioth: Power4, to be precise :)
[23:13] <gouki> nalioth: I understand your point. But I still believe it would be good to have a separate channel for the PS port.
[23:13] <gouki> There would topics of interest to PS3 owners and not PPC users. Documentation itself differs, etc.
[23:14] <mneptok> gouki: let's talk XMB with an iBook user.
[23:16] <gouki> Heheh
[23:18] <gouki> If we decide to go with #ubuntu-ps3, would we be allowed to do it? 
[23:20] <gouki> mneptok, nalioth 
[23:27] <Pricey> gouki, yes
[23:40] <gouki> Pricey: Thank you
[23:55] <mneptok> nalioth: i reg'ed the channel until the council decides they want ownership
[23:56] <nalioth> mneptok: you "good feeling of a job well done" feeling thief!
[23:56] <Tm_T> :(
[23:57] <mneptok> nalioth: i'll probably be waiting when you come to bed, too. *wink*