[01:14] <MatBoy> someone using kiba-dock on a 64bits system here ?
[02:30] <_Oz_> Wasssssup Xubuntu friends!
[02:30] <_Oz_> I reaaallly like Xubuntu but I have to log a major complaint.
[02:30] <_Oz_> I can't believe that a lightweight OS like that comes without built in vnc support.
[02:31] <_Oz_> Background:
[02:32] <_Oz_> I have an old dell dimension desktop with a celeron processor and 1gb of RAM.  (I added a 512mb stick to make it 1gb but it's still REALLY slow.)
[02:32] <_Oz_> I wanted to use it as a "headless" media server.  I hooked it up to my HDTV via VGA cable and use it to watch movies.  I use VNC to control it like a remote control.
[02:33] <_Oz_> But Xubuntu has terrible VNC support built in, unlike the "stock" ubuntu.  This is really strange to me.  Xubuntu is IDEAL for what I want -- I don't care about flashy graphics or effects, just a barebones OS that outputs beautiful video to its screen.
[02:33] <_Oz_> Yet, in the end, I had to remove Xubuntu altogether and go back to Ubuntu -- because vnc just "works" out of the box.
[02:34] <_Oz_> I was able to get Xubuntu VNC to work -- sort of -- but not the way I needed.  I needed to be able to control the ACTUAL DESKTOP SESSION, not just open a new one.  I needed to be able to change the screen output of the actual box.
[02:34] <_Oz_> Tried for about a day to get it to do that, but no dice.
[02:34] <_Oz_> I like Ubuntu and all, it was just disappointing to have such a perfect application for Xubuntu spoiled by lack of support for out-of-the-box VNC capabilities.
[02:37] <_Oz_> You know what I mean?
[02:37]  * _Oz_ kicks his foot in the dirt, picks some lint on his jacket.
[02:37]  * _Oz_ coughs.
[03:02] <_Oz_> Well... damn!
[03:02] <_Oz_> This channel is dead.
[03:05]  * _Oz_ runs through the channel, slapping everyone on the face in an attempt to wake them up.
[04:14] <sgrove> hey all, I did a apt-install openoffice.org-writer
[04:14] <sgrove> but I keep getting: /usr/share/lintian/overrides/sun-java6-jre
[04:14] <sgrove> woops
[04:15] <sgrove> rather: javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment!
[04:15] <sgrove> I cannot seem to figure out how to get it to work
[04:17] <Abominus69> Hello?
[04:18] <sgrove> hello
[04:18] <Abominus69> I have a question, are you ready?
[04:18] <sgrove> I'm afraid I'm not good with xubuntu
[04:18] <sgrove> I'm hacving problems as well
[04:19] <sgrove> though they're ooo/jre problems, I guess
[04:20] <Abominus69> Okay cool, I'll put it out there anyway.  I have a celeron 1000, 512MB, Geforce 4 64MB running at 1920 x 1200.  Firefox runs at about 80%+ CPU utilization all the time.   Why is this?
[04:21] <sgrove> default install?
[04:21] <Abominus69> Pretty much, yes.
[04:22] <Abominus69> just changed res and vid drivers.
[04:29] <NickManley> Is xfce 4.4.2 going to be backported to 7.10?
[04:31] <NickManley> The reason I ask is because Firefox always becomes a zombie under xfdesktop.
[04:31] <Abominus69> Do you have high Firefox CPU utilization?
[04:31] <NickManley> No.
[04:32] <NickManley> When I close out Firefox, it just gets stuck as a zombie under xfdesktop.  That's about it.
[04:33] <NickManley> I tried googling for some bug reports but they were all old from 2006 and they all ended saying it was fixed.
[04:35] <ron_o> f. firefox. It sux. It's always crashing on me system.
[04:35] <NickManley> Firefox used to crash on me, but I'm using Firefox 3 Beta 3 and it's been amazing.
[04:35] <NickManley> Firefox 2 does suck though.
[04:36] <ron_o> I like Opera but haven't got it running yet on xubuntu.
[04:36] <Abominus69> When is the proper release of Firefox 3, any idea?
[04:36] <NickManley> mid-march.
[04:36] <ron_o> I'll only use it if it's in the repo..
[04:36] <NickManley> Beta 4 is going to be released before the end of February and then RCs until release.
[04:37] <ron_o> but I guess I can find a repository that has it.
[04:38] <ron_o> I don't get why *ubuntu doesn't come standard with a better sound setup.
[04:38] <ron_o> there's no reason I shouldn't be able to play sound from several sources from the start.
[04:40] <NickManley> I guess I'm the only one having this problem.  I guess I'll just ctrl-alt-backspace every few days to clear it all out.
[04:42] <ron_o> can't you $pkill firefox-bin ?
[04:42] <ron_o> that's worked for me when $killall doesn't work.
[04:42] <NickManley> I'll try.  I did kill -9 and that didn't work.
[04:43] <ron_o> but usually if kill -9 doesn't work you need to reboot.
[04:43] <ron_o> pkill is greping it, that's why it's so darn powerful.
[04:44] <NickManley> I don't need to reboot.  Killing the xfdesktop process solves the issue.  Firefox is a zombie under it.
[04:44] <NickManley> It's annoying have to kill xfdesktop and restart it all the time though.
[04:44] <ron_o> yah, it shouldn't be.
[04:52] <soldats> you know, way back when i first installed xubuntu i could have sworn there was a textbased installer with a lot more options. the gusty livecd has none and does the installation for you. i dont really like that. should i just use the ubuntu installer with the ubunut livecd? i basically want the the ubuntu installation without any programs and no gui but i do want xorg-x11. should i just do the server install. i got bored so i wanted to do so
[04:52] <zoredache> soldats: are you talking about the altnerate-installer?
[04:53] <zoredache> soldats: the alternate isntaller can be convinced to go into 'expert-mode' where you get to manually directly each portion of the installer task
[04:54] <zoredache> the mini.iso also does that.  The mini.iso comes with a preseed for an extremely basici cli-only system where you can add anything you want
[04:57] <soldats> oh man its been so long since ive seen the ubuntu install isos. thanks i thought i had the minimal installer.
[04:57] <NickManley> When I launch firefox with --sync that seems to have solved the problem.  What does --sync do though?
[04:57] <soldats> on another disk
[04:58] <zoredache> soldats: the url is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[04:59] <zoredache> or, for the alternate disk choose the xubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso file from your favorite mirror
[04:59] <soldats> hmm thanks. i appreciate it. i basically wanted a more custom ubuntu from "scratch" or as scratch as it gets.
[05:00] <soldats> i was how you say "not *too* sober the last time i looked which was a few years ago
[05:00]  * soldats feels dumb now
[05:01] <zoredache> soldats: if you really want to go from scratch you could use debootstrap from a livecd
[05:02] <zoredache> you basically have to everything completely manually
[05:02] <zoredache> the installation is annoyingly difficult though
[05:02] <soldats> hmm didnt think of that. isnt that run from the grub promt
[05:03] <soldats> in alternate settings
[05:03] <zoredache> debootstrap can be ran from many places
[05:03] <soldats> from the livecd splash screen?
[05:04] <zoredache> soldats: I don't think so...
[05:05] <zoredache> but then I haven't actually ever used the live-cd disk... I was always used to the installer that is on the alternate disk...  I have been using debian long before I started using *buntu
[05:07] <soldats> hrmm, thanks though. im still happy with my current xubuntu install. its pretty much they way i want it with DWM. ill probly keep it they way it is and maybe ill just do a LFS for fun or just do the mini.iso like you said. i hate livecds as well so i agree with you. :)
[05:34] <speaker219> LOL XUBUNTU FTW
[05:34] <speaker219> :]
[05:39] <DaleH1985> what's up with this damn os? every time i download a file and type in the install commands, i get these stupid messages about directories not existing, or files not found.
[05:39] <zoredache> how are you downloading things?
[05:39] <zoredache> and how are you trying to install?
[05:39] <speaker219> DaleH1985: Don't blame the OS, you probably did something wrong ;)
[05:40] <zoredache> with *buntu/debian you usually should be installing things with apt-get or the add/remove programs
[05:41] <DaleH1985> i download install packages, and in the directions, it usually tells me to go to the terminal and type in command prompts, usually something like ./install or./config......but it always says no such file or directory, or command doesn't exist
[05:43] <zoredache> DaleH1985: if you trying to manually compile/install then things will be difficult
[05:44] <DaleH1985> so, should i be using the package manager instead/
[05:44] <zoredache> DaleH1985: I strongly reccomend you use packages from package manager unless there is no choice...
[05:45] <DaleH1985> ok....also, is there a flash plugin for the opera browser for xubuntu? All i can find is one for firefox
[05:47] <zoredache> I don't know...  the opera page seems to have directions about how to install one though...
[05:48] <zoredache> http://www.opera.com/linux/docs/plugins/install/
[06:48] <PupUser01> can you run xubuntu from ram?
[07:54] <trentster> Hey all, I am currently using "pon" and "poff" via cli to make my 3g usb dongle connect and disconnect.....can anyone recommend a lightweight xubuntu friendly gui frontend for this task?
[13:39] <NullName> Can ANYONE please tell me why an scp transfer times out after 5 min or so?  I can send small files, but large or multiple small files stop transfering, and I get an error saying that the ubuntu ssh server is not responding.  I'm transfering through a local network.  Ubuntu is sending files and windows with cygwin is receiving files.  Any ideas??
[13:39] <NEWK> Hey, I'm Xubuntu noob and I'm having a bit of trouble getting Compiz to work
[13:40] <NullName> NEWK: Have you tried booting to the xubuntu live disk?
[13:40] <NEWK> I found a couple of tutorials that tell me to downlaod several packages, but when I try downloading them, it says that it can't find them
[13:40] <NEWK> I don't have disk. I installed Xubuntu with a thing called Wubi
[13:42] <NullName> you probably need the repositories....
[13:42] <NullName> goto your menu at the top....
[13:42] <NEWK> OK....
[13:42] <NullName> and click system
[13:42] <NullName> then click software sources
[13:43] <NEWK> OK
[13:43] <NullName> type your password in
[13:43] <NEWK> done
[13:43] <NullName> clikc the tab ubuntu software
[13:43] <NEWK> alright
[13:43] <NullName> and check everything but source code
[13:44] <NullName> Make sure it's downloading from a server
[13:44] <NEWK> Looks like that's already been done
[13:44] <NEWK> @check everythign but source
[13:44] <NullName> k, click the thirdparty tab
[13:44] <NEWK> OK
[13:44] <NullName> what is there?
[13:45] <NEWK> Um...it says somethign about a dcrom
[13:45] <NEWK> *cdrom
[13:45] <NullName> uncheck it
[13:45] <NEWK> It is
[13:45] <NullName> k
[13:45] <NullName> then close the box
[13:45] <NEWK> box?
[13:45] <NullName> close "software sources"
[13:45] <NullName> don't click "revert".
[13:46] <NullName> Hopefully it will make you reconect to your software source servers
[13:46] <NEWK> OK, do I hit the X at the top or hit the close button?
[13:46] <NEWK> becaus eI hit the X
[13:46] <NullName> It shouldn't matter
[13:46] <NullName> what error are you getting when you try and install new software?
[13:46] <NEWK> Yeah, I got a warnign when it closed. Soemthign about somethign beign out of date
[13:47] <NEWK> the error I get is "E: Couldn't find package compiz-fusion-plugins-main"
[13:47] <NullName> can you install other packages?
[13:48] <NEWK> Yes. I installed VLC earlier
[13:48] <NEWK> I watched my first DVD in Linux today! :D
[13:48] <NullName> hehe nice.
[13:48] <NullName> I don't see the package compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[13:48] <NEWK> Yeah, well, this tutorial told me to download it
[13:48] <NullName> you might have to manually add the server that has that package to your software sources
[13:48] <NEWK> Two tutorials told me to get it
[13:48] <NullName> oh okay
[13:49] <NullName> what kind of file did you download?
[13:49] <NEWK> Perhaps they're out of date
[13:49] <NEWK> what file?
[13:50] <NullName> usually when you download sofware for linux, you download a compressed file
[13:50] <NullName> you have to decompress the file.
[13:50] <NEWK> I just use synaptic or do apt-get
[13:50] <NullName> good
[13:50] <NullName> that's much easier
[13:50] <NullName> the problem is...
[13:51] <NullName> I don't think the servers your are using has the package you want
[13:51] <NEWK> and I haven't even installed anything yet. I've just been entering those commands and it gives me an error sayign it can't fidn the package
[13:51] <NEWK> and the funny thing is, I can see screenshots on these websties of those packages in synaptic
[13:51] <NEWK> So they must have existed at some point, but maybe those tutorials are out of date
[13:52] <NullName> maybe that person has the server on their sources that contains the package....
[13:52] <NullName> hold up
[13:52] <NullName> I found your package
[13:52] <NullName> just download the .deb file
[13:52] <NullName> and open it...it's very straightforward
[13:52] <NullName> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[13:52] <NullName> scroll down to "Downloads" and select your proper architecture
[13:52] <NEWK> Yeah, I had to open a .deb file for the DVD library for VLC earlier
[13:53] <NullName> Usually you'll want to select "i386"
[13:54] <NEWK> Lots of mirrors
[13:54] <NEWK> OK, I got it
[13:54] <NullName> ok
[13:54] <NullName> now open it...it will make you type in your password
[13:55] <NEWK> Now, I jsut click on it?
[13:55] <NEWK> OK
[13:55] <NullName> yea
[13:55] <NEWK> It gave me an error
[13:55] <NullName> what error?
[13:55] <NEWK> "dependancy is not satisfiable: libc6"
[13:55] <NEWK> *dependency
[13:56] <NEWK> Should I apt-get "libc6"?
[13:57] <NEWK> and once I get this package installed, there might be other ones that don't work too
[13:59] <NEWK> I can't install the package
[14:08] <NEWK> Well, I've tried some other things. It still won't work
[14:10] <NEWK> Hello?
[17:12] <vinay_> hi
[17:13] <vinay_> is xubuntu worth trying out?
[17:29] <TheSheep> vinay_: try it out to find out ;)
[17:29] <slow-motion> hi
[17:47] <vinay_>  if I want to someday work on linux, including "improving" a distro, HOW SHOULD I BEGIN??
[17:48] <crimsun_> start with bug triaging in whichever distro
[18:04] <NESTi> hi
[18:16] <lovemedo> hello TheSheep
[18:20] <lovemedo> Hello, other than the first email Linus Torvalds sent with regards to his hobby which became Linux, do you guys know any other article of discourse that had an impact on the development of Linux?
[18:49] <vinay_> lovemodo, this is a movie on linux...................must watch.........(http://www.revolution-os.com/)..for download, use http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3211770/Revolution_OS                   U have No copyright problem.
[19:07] <maxamillion> vinay_: please don't post pirated material in this channel
[21:06] <thiemster> is alpha 3 a big step up from xubuntu 7.10?
[21:24] <Brains> Okay, anybody else seen the huge drop in performance with a change from Feisty to Gutsy?  I can't seem to find anything wrong other than everything seeming to take far more CPU than seems reasonable.  Advice on things to check welcome...
[21:25] <davidwinter> hi all. I'm trying to get compiz to work with xfwm4. I've run compiz --replace, but I don't get any window borders. in the compiz settings, I set xfwm4 as the command for window decorations. I'm out of ideas now :( does anyone know how to get it working?
[21:25] <TheSheep> Brains: run top in terminal and see if there's something at the top all the time
[21:25] <TheSheep> !compiz | davidwinter
[21:26] <ubotu> davidwinter: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[21:27] <Brains> TheSheep:  Nothing hangs at the top but many things will run up CPU %s that seem silly (for example, launching a term stays over 50% for several seconds before I get a prompt).
[21:29] <TheSheep> Brains: you can try to run strace in a text console to see what occupies them so much
[21:29] <davidwinter> TheSheep: the wiki doesn't seem to have any details on using xfwm4 with compiz
[21:30] <TheSheep> davidwinter: see details on using compiz with nvidia cards
[21:30] <Brains> TheSheep:  Even top takes ~10% on a quiet system...
[21:30] <TheSheep> Brains: what if you run in text mode?
[21:30] <TheSheep> Brains: or just switch to text mode with alt+ctrl+f1
[21:32] <davidwinter> TheSheep: I've had it working with gnome + metacity fine. just since switching to xfce and xfwm4 it doesn't work
[21:32] <Brains> TheSheep:  Heh, even getting to the text mode console took a while.  I've got top running via ssh so I can see it on another box and, after xorg maxed out for a while and I finally get the console, top is still running 10%
[21:36] <TheSheep> ok, can you strace it?
[21:37] <TheSheep> run ps x to see what pid it has, and then strace -p PID
[21:37] <TheSheep> in a text console, never do it in X
[21:38] <Brains> strace top?
[21:39] <TheSheep> Brains: yes, or if you have a simplier application that you could test...
[21:40] <Brains> TheSheep:  I went ahead and straced top for a bit.  Anything in particular that I should look for or just things that look odd?
[21:40] <TheSheep> Brains: things that make it stop for a moment
[21:41] <TheSheep> top is probably a bad idea, lots of system calls
[21:42] <TheSheep> Brains: btw, what cpu, memory and graphics card?
[21:43] <Brains> TheSheep:  Toshiba Portege 7220CT, P3-600 184MB.  I'm not expecting stellar performance, just what I was getting under Feisty....
[21:43] <TheSheep> Brains: what graphcs card?
[21:44] <Brains> TheSheep:  Sorry 'bout that...  Savage IX
[21:44] <TheSheep> Brains: if you do /etc/init.d/gdm stop, does it get any faster?
[21:47] <Brains> It doesn't change the amount of time top is taking but I don't know if that changes the interaction.  One sec...
[21:51] <TheSheep> hm?
[21:52] <Brains> TheSheep:  Okay, I don't think xorg is the problem now...  Type in nonsense at the command line and it takes 5-8 seconds to come back with command not found.  Python shows up in top going as high as 80%.
[21:52] <Brains> (Heh, I needed a sec..  My 5 month old is struggling against his need for sleep and making life interesting.  *chuckle*)
[21:54] <TheSheep> :)
[21:54] <TheSheep> how does 'free' look like for you?
[21:55] <Brains> 119 used, 66 free...  looks like 31 of that is cache,  33 in swap.
[21:56] <Brains> I'm not seeing a lot of disk activity either.
[21:56] <TheSheep> ok, in top press O, then o, then enter
[21:56] <TheSheep> what's on top?
[21:58] <Brains> In order, NetworkManager, sshd,sshd,bash,hald...  NetworkManager is using 12560, sshds are in the 8000s, bash and hald in the 5000s.
[22:00] <TheSheep> nothing peculiar :/
[22:01] <TheSheep> Brains: there is one more thing, although you usually would't want to do it, we can try and at least see if something changes
[22:01] <TheSheep> Brains: I think that gutsy has added an AppArmor, try removing it
[22:02] <TheSheep> Brains: sudo apt-get remove apparmor
[22:02] <TheSheep> Brains: and same with apport, aonce you're at it
[22:23] <Brains> TheSheep:  I was wondering if AppArmor might be a suspect but I've never paid any attention to it and didn't want to jump to conclusions.  It is in progress...
[22:31] <TheSheep> Brains: I don't know either, and what little I know about it I doubut it would be it. but you can try
[22:33] <Brains> TheSheep:  Yeah, I'm about ready to pull off the wife's data and reinstall fresh to see if that solves the problem.  I have an almost exactly similar laptop running Gentoo and doing fine.  (Gentoo is my usual choice, I through XUbuntu on the wife's laptop as a turnkey setup I thought she might like.)
[22:53] <slow-motion> n8
[23:10] <Brains> TheSheep:  No luck...  Thanks for the help, I'm going to see if a full install fixes it.  Maybe it was just a bad upgrade from the gui update app.
[23:10]  * Brains starts copying the data off.
[23:16] <ere4si> !netinstall
[23:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[23:16] <ere4si> !automate
[23:16] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning