[00:00] <Riddell> if QVBoxLayout works, stick with it
[00:00] <nixternal> and the silly PyKDE4 docs tell you to use pykdedocs browser and it is nowhere to be found...not even on Google
[00:01] <nixternal> will, what I was trying to do was show the differences in the code between native PyQt4 and native PyKDE4
[00:01] <nixternal> s/will/well
[00:01] <nixternal> and it is nice having PyKDE4 completion in Eclipse with the PyDev plugin
[02:02] <ryanakca> Hmm. For the website, would you rather have a button with gradient that doesn't resize (bad accessability!), or a good looking button that does resize, but doesn't have a gradient ?
[02:12] <Tm_T> Riddell: l
[02:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: agh, sorry, bad keyboard usage here
[02:13] <Tm_T> ryanakca: latter
[02:14] <ryanakca> Tm_T: okies
[02:19] <Tm_T> ryanakca: as in, bad accessibility is BAD
[02:19] <ryanakca> :)
[02:19] <Tm_T> ryanakca: btw remember to define background colour when you define foreground colour ;)
[02:20] <ryanakca> lol :)
[02:20]  * ryanakca => bed, night
[02:21] <Tm_T> ryanakca: I was serious, but yes nighty :)
[03:03] <nixternal> YAY! Edubuntu Chapter rewrite pretty much complete!
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> nixternal » do you get paid for writing for the ubuntu book?
[03:13] <nixternal> I am not writing, just helping with an update for the chapter
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> oh
[03:17] <nixternal> I look at it this way, I have gotten a few thousand dollars of free software, so that is payment enough :)
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> haha
[03:18] <cheguevara> doesn't help you eat :p
[03:18] <nixternal> sure it does, I can order pizza online :p
[03:18] <cheguevara> haha
[03:18] <nixternal> I actually gave that a shot last week, and it worked like a charm
[03:18] <nixternal> pizza hut rocks!
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> no kidding? you can do that?
[03:19] <nixternal> ya
[03:19] <nixternal> I guess they have had it for a while
[03:19] <nixternal> there are quite a few places here in Chicago that I can do it with
[03:19] <nixternal> and the response time is the same as if I were to call in an order
[03:19] <nixternal> this way here, I only have to get up once now :p
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> nixternal » ah.. how you long for teleported pizza, eh?
[03:20] <cheguevara> lol
[03:20] <nixternal> 30 minutes! piping hot!
[03:22] <cheguevara> i remembered when i tried to order pizza from dominos and they are like we dont deliver to your neighborhood
[03:22]  * nosrednaekim thinks its best not to go to cheguevara's neighborhood after dark..
[03:23] <cheguevara> no kidding :P
[03:23] <nixternal> heh
[03:23] <cheguevara> or before dark
[03:24] <cheguevara> lol
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> lol
[08:40] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:25] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping?
[09:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: show me the money !
[09:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: $$$$$$$
[09:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anything happening ?
[09:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm working today... which is all new for me :D
[09:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nothing, it was just a convenient way to say "hello" :)
[09:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know :) - it was just a general question on how things were on bugs/features on hardy
[09:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you've been hard at work I know
[09:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm on kdelibs and xdg directories integration atm
[09:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anything I should be looking at ?
[09:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: besides what you're doing ofcourse ;)
[09:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, virtualbox is pretty nice.. just trying it now
[09:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I wonder what I paid for when i bought vmware workstation... hmm.
[09:47] <stefan__> hi
[09:47] <stefan__> since today i can not log into kde4 anymore
[09:47] <stefan__> i am using hardy heron
[09:47] <stefan__> the error i get is:
[09:48] <_StefanS_> stefan__: I got the same problem, and I like your name btw ;)
[09:49] <stefan__> FatalError: you need to have KComponenObject ....
[09:49] <stefan__> oh cool ;)
[09:49] <stefan__> any ideas?
[09:49] <_StefanS_> stefan__: Well I think apachelogger_ is packaging kde4, so go ahead and ask him
[09:49] <stefan__> i reinstalled anything related to kde4, removed ".kde*" dirs in /root and /home/stefan
[09:49] <stefan__> ok
[09:50] <_StefanS_> stefan__: Its probably due to some changes, but its likely he already knows about it.
[09:50]  * _StefanS_ is pretty impressed with virtualbox
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, some work on kdesudo-kde4 ?
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: make kdesudo class inhérits kpassworddialog again
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's required for better caption, icon on the top left etc.....
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: toma changed that....
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: he coded the dialog himself?
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I consider doing this for the next release, but if you want to help, that would be welcome :)
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well he removed the inhéritance
[09:51] <Tonio_> inhéritence
[09:51] <Tonio_> rahhhh, well you understoof
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: inheritance :)
[09:52] <Tonio_> s/f/d
[09:52]  * Tonio_ is tired....
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I dont blame you for putting all those french chars in there ;)
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: we're all tired..
[09:52] <Tonio_> :)
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: should I grab the latest kdesudo-kde4 from bzr?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> I'm amazed that the closed source nvidia-drivers can be so slow in 2d..
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep :)
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I can do that later if you want, but would be nice to get help :)
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: bzr url? I can never seem to grasp that wierd naming
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the idea of removing the inheritance was nice, the only problem is that I want to have a nice caption and icon on the window top bar
[09:54] <_StefanS_> stefan__: just go ahead and ask apachelogger_
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I think that requires inheritance right ?
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, afaik you just extend the standard kpassworddialog, and thus you will get all those features handed down automatically
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but I will have to look at the source.. btw, did you have any problems with the kdmtheme?
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I was wondering that we might need to inform the user that he needs reboot in order to see the changed kdmtheme
[10:05] <kwwii> _StefanS_: pong
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: for kdmtheme I had to rewrite the patch :)
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: all the images where corrupted, but now it's okay
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: also magically, it works with kdesudo now, I don't understand why......
[10:10] <smarter> stefan__: comment out "userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile" in /etc/kde4rc to get kde4 to work again.
[10:11] <stefan__> thank you
[10:11] <stefan__> very much :)
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, I'm glad you could fix that patch.. and sorry if it gave you alot of work
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it works great
[10:12] <stefan__> smarter: that works!
[10:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it wasn't that long, don't mind :)
[10:13] <Tonio_> you are the coder, I'm the packager ;)
[10:13] <Tonio_> I'm used to rewrite patches :)
[10:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, I wish I sometimes understood that d*mn debuild thing :)
[10:17] <Tonio_> I which sometimes I understood that d*n c++ thing :)
[10:18] <_StefanS_> hehe
[10:26] <_StefanS_> uhm just hate using IM's to irc..
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do you have that bzr url handy?
[10:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: bzr checkout bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde4
[10:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thankyouverymuch :D
[10:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: youarewelcome !
[10:44] <Tonio_> ouch, python-apt looks like broken.....
[10:44] <Tonio_> ValueError: error parsing Python-Version attribute
[10:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: aware of this issue ?
[10:45] <Tonio_> hum yes, it is just discussed on ubuntu-devel ;)
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes its bzr you're having trouble with?
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: tried installing it yesterday
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[10:47] <buz> does anyone else see kde4 apps occasionally freeze for a few seconds when they want to display some dialog?
[10:48] <_StefanS_> buz: I guess thats normal if you run it with all the bells and whistles :D
[10:48] <buz> even when composite is off
[10:48] <buz> and showing a simple yes/no dialog should not take much work
[10:48] <_StefanS_> buz: it still makes the composite stuff offscreen...
[10:48] <_StefanS_> hehe, just kidding.
[10:48] <_StefanS_> I dont know :d
[10:49] <buz> it looks like a clear bug to me
[10:49] <buz> but it hard to reproduce
[10:49] <_StefanS_> buz: what gfx card?
[10:49] <buz> intel gma x3100
[10:49] <buz> happens with or without compositing
[10:50] <buz> (i usually have compositing off because intel drivers cant play movies when composite is on)
[10:50] <_StefanS_> buz: hmm could it be the dpi settings? I've seen it slow down kde
[10:50] <buz> well i do have 148dpi
[10:50] <_StefanS_> buz: if the driver sets 100dpi, and kde sets it to 96dpi
[10:50] <buz> but it's absurd that it would only happen with simplest dialogs
[10:50] <_StefanS_> buz: then its _slow_
[10:50] <_StefanS_> buz: well you got fonts on all dialogs.
[10:50] <buz> normal windows are no issue at all
[10:50] <_StefanS_> hmm, maybe a lookup in history makes it lockkup?
[10:51] <buz> not only in konqueror
[10:51] <buz> maybe i should reinstall hardy
[10:51] <buz> i've been doing some evil stuff to it
[10:56] <buz> and another thing, firefox3.0 always zooms pages without being told to do so
[10:56] <buz> how can i turn that off
[10:56] <buz> about:config does not list any obvious way
[10:56] <_StefanS_> buz: another bad thing is that google browser sync doesnt work anymore for ff3.0 :(
[10:57] <_StefanS_> buz: havent seen those imaging probs though
[11:15] <Tonio_> crimsun_: any news concerning the kernel patch I sent you ?
[11:16] <Tonio_> crimsun_: including it wouldn't break the featurefreeze as this closes a bug, but I don't know how long it'll be integrable to the hardy kernel branch....
[11:18] <Tonio_> crimsun_: http://paste.toniox.org/2813 for the link
[11:20] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: !!!
[11:22] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/dragonplayer_2.0-1.html
[12:07] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: yay
[12:12] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: about the .directory - apparently eean is going to release 2.0.1, if I get a FFE I'll just remove it with this upload
[12:13] <apachelogger_> nixternal: technically that plasma-appletsrc shouldn't be there ... since I thought I removed it ... since plasma doesn't handle it nicely ... investigating
[12:15] <apachelogger_> Riddell: nice commit ;-)
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger_: which?
[12:17] <apachelogger_> Riddell: the one to k-d-s deactivating all of KDE 4 without knowing what exactly caused the issue :P
[12:18] <Riddell> a quick fix
[12:20] <apachelogger_> yeah
[12:21] <Riddell> apachelogger_: someone said it was userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile which broke it
[12:21] <Riddell> although I don't know why it would
[12:22] <apachelogger_> Riddell: it does, but why is included in the kde4rc?
[12:22] <apachelogger_> I removed it since it was causing these issues for me as well
[12:23] <Riddell> apachelogger_: then you didn't commit to bzr?
[12:23] <apachelogger_> nope
[12:24] <apachelogger_> kde4rc doesn't include it :)
[12:24] <apachelogger_> but
[12:24] <apachelogger_> I found the problem
[12:24] <apachelogger_> someone removed the TODO from TODO-plasma-appletsrc
[12:24] <apachelogger_> which pretty much breaks all applet loading
[12:24] <Riddell> apachelogger_: ./kde-profile/kde4rc does
[12:25] <apachelogger_> Riddell: for me it only includes [Directories-default]
[12:27] <Riddell> the file isn't even here http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu/files/jr%40wido-20080219001716-nns8wft4fgmdlk3m?file_id=kdeprofile-20061005105955-9qo1onrsjnsjpxn8-9
[12:27] <Riddell> spooky
[12:27] <apachelogger_> Oo
[12:27] <apachelogger_> spooky indeed
[12:29]  * apachelogger_ creates a new branch
[12:30] <apachelogger_> Riddell: anyway, should I prefix plasma-appletsrc with a TODO- again, or just remove it to prevent this breakage in future?
[12:31] <apachelogger_> Oo
[12:32] <Riddell> apachelogger_: TODO is fine
[12:32] <apachelogger_> Riddell: kde4rc doesn't exist in a new branch either
[12:32] <Riddell> my fresh checkout has no kde4rc file at all
[12:32] <apachelogger_> so not only svn is eating files :S
[12:33] <Riddell> mm
[12:35] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: ok, tell me when you upload it and i'll poke it towards Debian
[12:36] <apachelogger_> aye
[12:36] <Riddell> err, upload k-d-s to debian?
[12:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: dragonplayer
[12:36] <Riddell> phew
[12:38] <apachelogger_> hehe
[12:38] <apachelogger_> Riddell: should I leave slim-glow in k-d-s?
[12:38] <apachelogger_> as we don't use it, there is not much point in keeping IMO
[12:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: btw, we need the stuff in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[12:41] <Riddell> apachelogger_: I don't think we should keep it
[12:41] <Riddell> jpatrick: whit?
[12:42] <Riddell> apachelogger_: although it can be packaged separately
[12:42] <jpatrick> Riddell: access ;)
[12:42] <Riddell> I don't follow
[12:43] <apachelogger_> hm
[12:43] <jpatrick>  /msg ChanServ access #kubuntu-offtopic list
[12:43]  * apachelogger_ gets a coffee, before he breaks something due to insufficient caffeine
[12:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: done
[12:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: thanks, also stdin and jussi01 would make good canidates :)
[12:47] <Riddell> done
[12:47] <jpatrick> thanks alot :)
[12:54] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I leave slim-glow untouched for now. we can always remove it later on, if we don't want to package it seperately
[12:55] <sebas> apachelogger_: Don't forget to package fluffybunny. :-)
[12:56] <apachelogger_> sebas: hehe, as soon as plasma supports GUI based theme changing ;-)
[12:56] <sebas> apachelogger_: trunk/ does :)
[12:58]  * apachelogger_ thinks that was pretty much a request for including a patch in our kdebase
[12:59] <apachelogger_> Riddell: pushed r153 of k-d-s
[13:15] <tekteen> what is kubuntu summer of code?
[13:15] <Riddell> ?
[13:17] <tekteen> Riddell: is it kubuntu's mentoring program for google summer of code?
[13:19] <Riddell> tekteen: never heard of it
[13:20]  * Jucato thinks tekteen misinterpreted the link in the topic
[13:20] <tekteen> ok
[13:20] <tekteen> what is it?
[13:21] <Jucato> ideas for GSoC, for would-be Kubuntu participation
[13:21] <tekteen> what is the link to Kubuntu Summer Of Code Ideas?
[13:21] <tekteen> ok
[13:22] <tekteen> so my second comment?
[13:22] <tekteen> kubuntu within GSoC
[13:22] <Jucato> if that's what you meant.yeah
[13:23] <tekteen> ok
[13:23] <blizzzek> bye
[13:23] <tekteen> I am not old enough to join GSoC
[13:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed kdesudo is becoming popular on kde-apps :) gentoo now had an ebuild
[13:52] <buz> maybe a decent power manager gui for kde4 could be an useful gsoc contribution?
[13:53] <jpatrick> buz: I believe kde are working on one..
[13:53] <buz> does gsoc even accept "distro only" stuff?
[13:53] <Riddell> that would be good
[13:54] <Riddell> maybe sebas knows the progress on the plasma one
[13:54] <buz> a md raid gui would be neat
[13:55] <smarter> what's the minimal age for GSoC participation?
[13:55] <buz> scripts for weekly kde svn snapshots
[13:58] <Riddell> smarter: 18
[13:59] <jpatrick> smarter: we'll have our chance, don't worry
[13:59] <smarter> jpatrick: ;)
[14:00] <smarter> it means that I've four years to finish my C++ book ^^'
[14:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: will you be at fosdem finally ? I'll arrive on saturday 10:15 AM
[14:01] <buz> hacking dvd iso support into kaffeine would be nice, but i think thats more of a xine job than anything else
[14:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[14:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice ;)
[14:01] <Riddell> buz: kaffeine can play dvds fine
[14:02] <buz> but not isos
[14:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll send you an sms when on site so that we can find each other, unless you don't wan't to see me of course :)
[14:02] <buz> i'm too lazy to swap dvds so i have a bunch of isos on my NAS
[14:02] <buz> to watch them i have to mount them via loopback
[14:02] <Tonio_> buz: can't you mount your iso and then read it with kaffeine ?
[14:02] <buz> yeah i do that :P
[14:03] <Tonio_> buz: well post a feature request bug to kaffeine bugtracker then ;)
[14:03] <buz> i think it should go to xine
[14:03] <Tonio_> buz: there isn't much we can do I'm affraid...
[14:04] <Tonio_> buz: also, you can use http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kfuseiso?content=46526 to make the mounting process easier :)
[14:05] <buz> neat
[14:05] <buz> i'll check that
[14:05] <Tonio_> buz: this one seems better : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountISO?content=11577
[14:06] <buz> well mplayer actually can play isos but it does not supoprt menu :(
[14:07] <Jucato> (stdin made a mountISO thingy too)
[14:08] <buz> otoh, intel's xvideo implementation is badly broken anyway
[14:08] <Tonio_> Jucato: duplicating efforts is bad :)
[14:08] <buz> so until they fix this, i cant watch videos very well
[14:08] <Tonio_> buz: same with ati fglrx :)
[14:08] <Jucato> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountFile?content=61955
[14:08] <buz> not quite that badly
[14:09] <Tonio_> buz: simply no xv at all ;)
[14:09] <Jucato> "It's different from other scripts in that it uses the KDE GUI (kdialog) to get the file/mount point and password (kdesu) from the user (though everything is still done in the bash shell)." (according to stdin)
[14:09] <Tonio_> same with radeonhd, although this is supposed to be added soon
[14:09] <buz> oh my at1400 occasionally did xvideo
[14:09] <buz> then after the next reboot it stopped doing it
[14:09] <buz> after 2 months i got rid of that machine :P
[14:09] <Tonio_> buz: I was talking about recent chips, like tha all X1xxx series
[14:10] <buz> yeah i mine was radeon 1400
[14:10] <buz> figured i go to open source heroes at intel only to see that they dont do xvideo properly either
[14:10] <Tonio_> well, sad to say, but nvidia seems to provide good video drivers for linux.....
[14:10] <buz> sort of
[14:10] <Tonio_> btw, I'm hopefull concerning radeonhd
[14:11] <buz> well i'm hopeful concerning intel, too
[14:11] <Tonio_> 2008 will see 3D and 2D acceleration as well as XVideo support coming arround
[14:12] <buz> if it was for me, i would want h.264 acceleration
[14:12] <buz> but i doubt thats gonna happen
[14:12] <Tonio_> no chance :)
[14:12] <buz> mhh intel 4100 supposedly can do it
[14:13] <buz> not sure if they will support it on linux though
[14:38]  * Tm_T is slowly going to panic mode
[14:41] <jjesse> Tm_T: why the panic mode?
[14:41] <jjesse> don't people usually quickly go into panic mode?
[14:41] <Tm_T> not me
[14:41] <Tm_T> well, I can go slowly or quickly
[14:41] <Tm_T> jjesse: UDW hour is closing
[14:42] <jjesse> UDW?
[14:43] <Tm_T> Ubuntu Developer Week
[14:43] <jjesse> oh
[14:43] <jjesse> what channel is that one?
[14:43] <Tm_T> #ubuntu-classroom
[14:44] <jjesse> you doing a session i assume?
[14:44] <Tm_T> should in 3 hours or so
[14:48] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I think you need a tea, mom
[15:07] <Tm_T> apachelogger: indeed
[15:16] <jjesse> is the current kubntu-kde4 alternate cd how things are going to look for the hardy release?
[15:16] <jjesse> or will it be a live cd?
[15:19] <jjesse> cause it will be a big difference how the book goes
[15:34] <Riddell> jjesse: it'll be a live CD
[15:35] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: 5.0b includes a .svn directory in ts - please ensure that you don't ship any .svn .git etc. directories
[15:35] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: yeah I know
[15:35] <apache|mobile> :)
[15:36] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: removed them in v0.5. fixing some more things and releasing it in about half an hour
[15:36] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: ok, packaging is almost finished
[15:36] <jjesse> Riddell: cool thanks
[15:36] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: and then concert time!
[15:41] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: concert time?
[15:42] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: yeah. there is a concert in about 4-5 hours
[15:42] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: ah, very nice :)
[15:42] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: y
[15:43] <apache|mobile> me loves concerts
[15:48] <apache|mobile> oh
[15:48] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: the application icon should go into hicolor not oxygen
[15:48] <Artemis_Fowl> ?
[15:48] <Artemis_Fowl> why?
[15:48] <apache|mobile> ox64-app-kgrubeditor.png
[15:48] <Artemis_Fowl> y i know
[15:49] <Artemis_Fowl> why sould it go there?
[15:49] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: otherwise it's not accessible for non-kde
[15:49] <apache|mobile> or rather, non-oxygen using desktop
[15:49] <Artemis_Fowl> so rename all ox to hi?
[15:49] <apache|mobile> while hicolor is the lowest fallback for _all_ freedesktop compatible desktops
[15:49] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: yes
[15:49] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[15:49] <Riddell> not all
[15:49] <Riddell> just the one used in the menu .desktop file
[15:50] <apache|mobile> true
[15:51] <Tm_T> stdin: one issue gone with packages of .9 is, Amarok collection lost ;((
[15:51] <stdin> hmm, wonder how/why that is..
[15:52] <apache|mobile> Tm_T: collection lost in KDE 4?
[15:52] <Tm_T> apache|mobile: nope, 3.5.9
[15:52] <apache|mobile> Oo
[15:52] <apache|mobile> that is rather strange actually
[15:52] <apache|mobile> though, maybe the issues are the same
[15:53] <Tm_T> it is, well, actually it got "forgot" totally, including what dirs what selected
[15:53] <Tm_T> I had to reselect and rescan
[15:53] <apache|mobile> uh
[15:53] <apache|mobile> yeah
[15:53] <apache|mobile> sounds pretty much the same
[15:53] <apache|mobile> Amarok wasn't able to get the HAL id of partitions from kded
[15:54] <Tm_T> apache|mobile: you little!
[15:54] <apache|mobile> so it lost all traces of that partition
[15:54]  * apache|mobile gives Tm_T a cup of tea
[15:54] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: compiling hopefully with the last changes
[15:56] <apache|mobile> uhm
[15:56] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: grub settings -> background -> splash preview doesn't go away
[15:57] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: click on it :)
[15:57] <apache|mobile> nah, doesn't work
[15:57] <apache|mobile> maybe it's an .0b issue
[15:57] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: really? have tried numerous previews. none caused any problem at all. let me check it out
[15:59] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: http://aplg.kollide.net/ubuntu_black.xpm.gz
[15:59] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: did it over 20 times. maybe it is splash-image-specific. upload somewhere the splashimage
[16:00] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: u are really quick :)
[16:00] <apache|mobile> I am way ahead :P
[16:00] <apache|mobile> btw, if anyone wants a screeny: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot89.png
[16:02] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: no problem with the splash image over here. do a 'ls -l /tmp'
[16:02] <manchicken> Is pycentral broken for anybody else?
[16:02] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 309406 2008-02-19 17:02 qgrubeditor.xpm
[16:03] <apache|mobile> ah
[16:03] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: issue found
[16:03] <apache|mobile> it only happens with composite
[16:03] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: really strange.
[16:05]  * apache|mobile does a testbuild
[16:08] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: everything seems to be working properly. o.5 will be out in about 5-10 mins
[16:08] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: did you fix the issue with composite?
[16:09] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: I have no clue why this is happening. it certainly is not due to my code. maybe ask the Qt devs to fix it....
[16:09] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: hehe, we probably should just never talk about it again and hope none discovers it ;-)
[16:09] <apache|mobile> <-- totally lazy
[16:10] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: question: are the .desktop files ok? they are under the other/ subdirectory
[16:11] <apache|mobile> hm
[16:11] <apache|mobile> I think
[16:11] <apache|mobile> Exec=gksu /usr/bin/kgrubeditor
[16:11] <apache|mobile> should be
[16:11] <apache|mobile> Exec=gksu kgrubeditor
[16:12] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: ok fixed. anything else?
[16:12] <apache|mobile> or
[16:12] <apache|mobile> hm
[16:12] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: did you try it?
[16:12] <apache|mobile> I am not 100% sure this is going to work
[16:12] <Tm_T> Scorpions - Hell-Cat
[16:12]  * apache|mobile knows nothing about gksu
[16:12] <Tm_T> apache|mobile: MEOWWW
[16:13] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: me neither
[16:13] <apache|mobile> very good :)
[16:13] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: I don't even have gksu installed
[16:13] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: you could ask someone in #ubuntu-devel if this is going to work
[16:14] <apache|mobile> but I just noticed, that I have to fiddle with it anyway
[16:14] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: it works
[16:14] <apache|mobile> ok
[16:15] <apache|mobile> otherwise the desktop files seem ok to me
[16:15] <apache|mobile> well
[16:15] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: another question
[16:15] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: instalation path isn't correct
[16:15] <apache|mobile> for kgrubeditor.desktop
[16:16] <apache|mobile> it goes into XDG/applications/kde4
[16:16] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: why the hell isn't the scalable icon installed?
[16:16] <apache|mobile> while it should go into XDG/applictions
[16:16] <apache|mobile> interessting question
[16:17] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: btw pics/CMakeLists.txt is missing a newline at the end
[16:17] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: fixed
[16:17] <Artemis_Fowl> install( FILES other/kgrubeditor.desktop  DESTINATION  ${XDG_APPS_INSTALL_DIR} )
[16:17] <Artemis_Fowl> install( FILES other/kgrubeditor-kde.desktop  DESTINATION  ${XDG_APPS_INSTALL_DIR} )
[16:18] <Artemis_Fowl> how should I modify these lines in order for the .desktop files to go to XDG/applictions
[16:18] <Artemis_Fowl> ???
[16:18] <apache|mobile> well, maybe it just ends up in the wrong path because of kubuntu
[16:18] <apache|mobile> because these lines actually look totally right to me
[16:19] <apache|mobile> hm
[16:20] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: I think KDE's cmake modules modify XDG_APPS_INSTALL_DIR to go into XDG_APPS_INSTALL_DIR/kde4
[16:20] <apache|mobile> so only way to fix this would be to reset it for kgrubeditor.desktop
[16:20] <apache|mobile> but since I have no clue how to do this, right now, I would just leave it that way
[16:20] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: ok
[16:21] <apache|mobile> technically gnome should search XDG_APPS_INSTALL_DIR recursive anyway
[16:21] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: next issue is the scalable icon
[16:22] <Riddell> is anyone doing the Ubuntu Derivatives Team talk for Kubuntu?
[16:22] <Tm_T> Riddell: I was asked, so I could do it
[16:23] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: the name is wrong
[16:23] <Riddell> Tm_T: it's just after your talk :)
[16:23] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: it should be a .svgz (i.e. gzip compressed)
[16:23]  * ScottK prefers to think of Kubuntu as more of a companion than a derivative ...
[16:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: so it's natural to me to continue for that bit? ;)
[16:23] <apache|mobile> not a plain .svg
[16:23] <Riddell> Tm_T: I've no idea what would need to be said, probably just need to be in the channel to answer questions
[16:23] <Riddell> ScottK++
[16:23] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: strange. in KDE's svn that's the naming scheme they use
[16:23] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: nah, they use svgz all over the place :D
[16:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: I will try to hang out there, yes :)
[16:23] <apache|mobile> saves a lot of space
[16:23] <apache|mobile> and bandwith
[16:23] <apache|mobile> etc.
[16:24] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: and how do I compress it? using Inkshape? my Graphics designer certainly can't make it today
[16:24] <smarter> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415311 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427835 << Which one is open?
[16:24] <ubotu> Debian bug 415311 in wnpp "ITP: qdevelop -- A Development Environment for Qt4" [Wishlist,Open]
[16:25] <smarter> Debian BTS is so confusing...
[16:25] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: just do a "Save As..." and ensure the ending is .svgz
[16:25] <apache|mobile> inkscape should then automagically compress it
[16:26] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: omg I have installed so much crap in this system...I think it will blow sometime
[16:26] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: hehe, my HDD is filled with stuff needed to build/debug/test KDE 4
[16:26] <apache|mobile> there is like 1 gig left now :D
[16:27] <apache|mobile> eventually my system even refuses to start sometimes
[16:27] <dasKreech> I was always interested on how source code could be bigger than the programs
[16:27] <Artemis_Fowl> since when was inkshape renamed to inkscape?
[16:28] <Artemis_Fowl> i had to open the damn Synaptic manager to find this out.....
[16:28] <apache|mobile> it was named inkshape? Oo
[16:28] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:28] <apache|mobile> anoy nixternal
[16:28] <apache|mobile> nixternal: what issues were you having with k-d-s?
[16:28] <apache|mobile> hm
[16:28] <apache|mobile> anoy
[16:29] <apache|mobile> all new word :D
[16:29]  * apache|mobile adds that to his dict as 'annoyed ahoy'
[16:29] <nixternal> apache|mobile: wasn't just me, it was everyone and their mother...KDE 4 didn't work, and you couldn't use KDE 4 apps within KDE 3, including qtconfig-qt4
[16:30] <apache|mobile> hmmmm
[16:30] <apache|mobile> KDE 4 within KDE 3
[16:30] <apache|mobile> any ideas why?
[16:30] <smarter> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415311 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427835 << Which one is open?
[16:30] <ubotu> Debian bug 415311 in wnpp "ITP: qdevelop -- A Development Environment for Qt4" [Wishlist,Open]
[16:32] <nixternal> apache|mobile: kde4rc pointing at kde-user-profile seemed to be an issue, because commenting it out would at least allow you to log into KDE 4, but nothing worked until everything in kde4rc was removed
[16:32] <nixternal> there are settings somewhere in the k-d-s stuff for kde4 that isn't working
[16:32] <apache|mobile> well
[16:33] <apache|mobile> plasma wouldn't load
[16:33] <apache|mobile> because someone renamed TODO-plasma-appletsrc to plasma-appletsrc
[16:33] <apache|mobile> which makes plasma go wocka
[16:33] <apache|mobile> if userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile is in kde4rc kde4 wouldn't start at all
[16:34] <apache|mobile> but technically both issues should be fixed in latest revision of k-d-s
[16:34] <apache|mobile> nixternal: can you please try the version in bzr?
[16:34] <apache|mobile> nixternal: and please uncomment the makefile lines if it is working :)
[16:34]  * apache|mobile luckily forgot that
[16:34] <nixternal> in a bit...gotta catch up on email, and then finish my homework
[16:42] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: v0.5 was successfully packaged and installed. now uploading
[16:45] <Artemis_Fowl> source forge is too sluggish
[16:45] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: I can suggest launchpad ;-)
[16:46] <apache|mobile> or you could join the KDE extragear and use KDE for tarball hosting etc.
[16:46] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: launchpad provides SVN?
[16:46] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: nope, but Bazaar
[16:46] <apache|mobile> which is similar to GIT
[16:47] <apache|mobile> alternately you could use KDE SVN and do the release stuff and tarball hosting on launchpad
[16:47] <apache|mobile> LP can import SVN, so it wouldn't make much difference for a visitor who wants to browse the source the code in LP
[16:48] <apache|mobile> wb Nightrose
[16:49] <Nightrose> re :)
[16:49]  * Nightrose cuddles apache|mobile
[16:50] <apache|mobile> Nightrose: wie war die uni? :P
[16:50] <Nightrose> <- bOrked from hacking
[16:50] <apache|mobile> hehe
[16:50] <apache|mobile> you shouldn't do hacking with sven.... I imagine that super exhausting
[16:50] <Nightrose> :P
[16:50] <Nightrose> *g* exactly
[16:50] <Nightrose> and we two hacking on some strange crypto stuff = fail :P
[16:51] <ScottK> Artemis_Fowl: Of course you should consider if it's important to host your Free Software project on a system that is also FOSS.  Neither LP nor Sourceforge qualify in that regard.
[16:51] <apache|mobile> Nightrose: hehe
[16:51] <apache|mobile> Nightrose: I created 443 SLOC yesterday
[16:51] <Nightrose> apache|mobile: wohooooooo
[16:51] <Nightrose> for neon?
[16:52] <apache|mobile> yep
[16:52] <Nightrose> nifty :)
[16:52] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: ScottK is right on this, in case it is important I can suggest KDE
[16:52] <Nightrose> oh and sven of course always gets super excited about the most absurd crypto stuff - it´s actually quite funny ;-)
[16:53] <ScottK> apache|mobile: How many of the 443 were correct?
[16:53] <Nightrose> oO
[16:53] <apache|mobile> Nightrose: considering that I think sven might write code alan cox wouldn't like
[16:53] <Nightrose> indeed
[16:53] <apache|mobile> ScottK: all, I am tha uberrubyhaXX0r :P
[16:54] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:54] <Artemis_Fowl> ok. Upload to SourceForge is done. Following KDE-apps.org
[16:55]  * ScottK touched about 50 lines yesterday, but only netted about 10 more than I started with and rolled a release candidate tarball.  
[16:55] <Nightrose> <- about 200 today
[16:55] <Nightrose> including about 50 that were worthless
[16:56] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: people still use sourceforge?
[16:56] <apache|mobile> Riddell: what's the alternative really?
[16:56] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: not really :) but it provides me with something I need: SVN
[16:56] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: sourceforge does subversion?
[16:56] <Riddell> I thought they only had cvs
[16:56] <apache|mobile> nah
[16:56] <nixternal> they do svn as well
[16:57] <apache|mobile> they have SVN as long as KDE does
[16:57] <Riddell> well well
[16:57] <Tm_T> but it's even buggier than their cvs which tend to be broken every time I need it
[16:57] <apache|mobile> :D
[16:57] <apache|mobile> oh
[16:57] <apache|mobile> google code is also nice
[16:57] <apache|mobile> and it has SVN
[16:57]  * apache|mobile likes google code hosting for small projects
[16:58] <Riddell> nothing is easier to use than launchpad, in my humble opinion
[16:58] <Tm_T> true
[16:58] <Tm_T> though I fail to use it too =)
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> Riddell » I think that probably you should put a disclaimer in there ;)
[16:59] <apache|mobile> ^_^
[16:59]  * apache|mobile kicks sed
[16:59] <apache|mobile> I never liked that application
[16:59] <apache|mobile> never will
[16:59] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: of what?
[17:00] <nosrednaekim> Riddell » you work for the comapny that makes it :)
[17:01] <Artemis_Fowl> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=75442
[17:01] <Riddell> there is that, but bzr really is the best revision control system and launchpad makes it oh so easy to host with it, I'm not just saying it to make my employer happy :)
[17:01] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobileL you may start whenever you want
[17:01] <Riddell> 17:01 < dholbach> Next up is "MOTU Processes"  in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:02] <Riddell> 9Kubuntu talk in 1 hour)
[17:02] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: please let me know when the .deb package is ready. I really need it
[17:02] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: for?
[17:03] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: oh and don't forget its tricky dependency: imagemagick
[17:03] <apache|mobile> Riddell: I guess we can throw kgrubeditor in the PPA neverminding whether it gets a freeze exception?
[17:03] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: it depends on imagemagick?
[17:03] <Riddell> apache|mobile: of course
[17:03] <apache|mobile> cool
[17:03] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: yeah...in order to decompress the splash images
[17:04] <apache|mobile> omg
[17:04] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: it can work without it but if there is no imagemagick, you get no splash image creation/preview
[17:06] <apache|mobile> Artemis_Fowl: it only requires 'convert'?
[17:06] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: y
[17:07] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: and of course gzip
[17:07] <Artemis_Fowl> apache|mobile: but you told me there is no need for such a dependency
[17:07] <apache|mobile> well, gzip is a baseutil so I don't need to depend on it
[17:07] <apache|mobile> right :D
[17:08] <Riddell> mzungu: can you do the question forwarding for Tm_T's talk in an hour?
[17:08] <Tm_T> pretty pretty please?
[17:08] <mzungu> ok
[17:08] <mzungu> just going to eat for now
[17:08] <mzungu> ;)
[17:09] <Tm_T> :)
[17:09] <Tm_T> same here
[17:09] <Tm_T> and coffee, a lot
[17:09] <mzungu> (ugali, sukuma-wiki, and nyama ;) )
[17:10] <apache|mobile> mhhh
[17:10] <apache|mobile> coffee
[17:11] <Artemis_Fowl> omg. kde-apps is stupid. KGRUBEditor completely disappeared (you could only access it using the direct URL) and it did not appear until I updated it for second time......
[17:17] <Tm_T> hrrrrrr
[17:17]  * Tm_T is getting very nervous
[17:17] <Tm_T> so time to play some guitar =)
[17:17]  * apache|mobile gives Tm_T another cup of tea
[17:37] <jussi01> Tm_T: calm down, its all good :)
[17:40] <Tm_T> it is NOT
[17:40] <Tm_T> in my age nothing is good
[17:42] <jussi01> Tm_T: hehe, yes it is, nothing to stress about
[17:42] <Tm_T> bah, I can't even stress peacefully these days ;))
[17:42]  * Tm_T hugs jussi01 
[17:42] <jussi01> hehe
[17:42]  * jussi01 hugs Tm_T 
[17:43] <jussi01> Tm_T: go play a song on your guitar for me ok?
[17:43] <Tm_T> can't, already bleeding in fingertips
[17:43] <jussi01> Tm_T: Play Collective Soul - Run
[17:44] <Tm_T> dunno that
[17:44] <Tm_T> I crawled thru Blue Oyster Cult album Secret Treaties
[17:45] <jussi01> Tm_T: go look it up, great song :)
[17:45] <buz> has anyone got a laptop with a highres screen? on mine, okular shows pdf way too small
[17:45] <buz> but acroread is perfect
[17:45] <Tm_T> buz: laptop is needed for...
[17:45] <nosrednaekim> buz » 1440x900?
[17:45] <buz> nosrednaekim: yes (mine is 1920x1200 at 15")
[17:46] <jussi01> Tm_T: http://www.azchords.com/c/collectivesoul-tabs-841/run-tabs-103448.html
[17:46] <buz> Tm_T: because desktop lcd generally all have the same dpi
[17:46] <Tm_T> buz: I don't have lcd, but I force strange dpi with my 19" CRT
[17:46] <buz> well i'm more inclined to believe okular ignores the dpi
[17:47] <Tm_T> buz: could be possibility
[17:47] <buz> because acrobat scales according to dpi, whereas okular is always off the same factor
[17:48] <buz> same in kpdf, so it's probably a poppler bug
[17:48] <Tm_T> hmm
[17:49]  * Tm_T is happy with kpdf in his whacky 1792x1344 resolution
[17:49] <mzungu> Riddell, Tm_T, I may have to duck - we've just lost power here (ah! the joys of africa!)
[17:49] <Tm_T> his/her/its
[17:49] <Tm_T> mzungu: roger
[17:49] <jussi01> mzungu: nm, Ive got it, if need be
[17:49] <Tm_T> jussi01: I was about to ask you, thanks son
[17:49] <jussi01> :)
[17:50] <buz> you run a 19" crt at that resolution? wow
[17:50] <Tm_T> buz: yes?
[17:50] <buz> did not know that was possible
[17:50] <mzungu> great - hopefully, it will return - but thought i'd better let you know ;)
[17:50] <jussi01> mzungu: good luck :)
[17:50] <Tm_T> buz: 75 Hz and colours I haven't seen on any LCD yet :(
[17:50] <Tm_T> buz: reasons I'm still with CRT
[17:50] <buz> well yes
[17:50] <buz> but they need too much space
[17:50] <buz> plus i get headache at below 100hz
[17:51] <Tm_T> that's not a problem here
[17:51] <Tm_T> and I'm used to have 60 Hz monitors
[17:51] <buz> i cant stand 60hz for 5min even
[17:51] <buz> i can live with 85 for a while
[17:51] <buz> but not for too long
[17:52] <Tm_T> heh
[17:52] <Tm_T> I don't notice any flickering here
[17:52] <Tm_T> and eyes are good with these settings, but if you make me read some shiny white paper in bright light, I'll kill you after I'm gone blind and bleeding
[17:52] <buz> hehe
[17:53] <Tm_T> buz: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[17:53] <Tm_T> ugly, I know, and don't care, it's best thus far for me
[17:53] <buz> is there any way to get the qt3 apps to inherit kde4 colors?
[17:53] <Tm_T> mmmm, no idea
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> buz » not that I have seen
[17:53] <Tm_T> I mainly use KDE3 still
[17:54] <buz> i would like the dark kde4 style but it's useless without matching kde3 colors
[17:54] <buz> nosrednaekim: there's a setting in system settings but it does not work
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... it works for gtk apps though
[17:56] <buz> i have occasionally seen kde3 apps adopt kde4 colors
[17:56] <buz> but damn me if i can figure out how to force it
[17:58] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu talk about to begin in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:59] <buz> nosrednaekim: the checkbox in colors dialog does not even remember the setting upon restarts of system settings
[17:59] <buz> probably does not work because of that
[18:09] <jussi01> Tm_T: when do you want the questions to start?
[18:09] <Tm_T> jussi01: pretty much rightaway
[18:09] <jussi01> kk
[18:11] <Riddell> jussi01: paste who the question is from too
[18:11] <jussi01> Riddell: sure
[18:13] <Tm_T> jussi01: hrr, quick rolling
[18:13] <jussi01> hehe, sorry
[18:13] <jussi01> Tm_T: yoou want to next me when you are done?
[18:14] <Tm_T> jussi01: nah, just make sure I manage to answer, or someone else
[18:14] <jussi01> ok
[18:14] <coreymon77> hi people
[18:19] <jussi01> Tm_T: best if you next me ;)
[18:20] <coreymon77> thats better
[18:20] <coreymon77> anyways
[18:21] <Tm_T> jussi01: going mostly fine thanks, but sure if needed I poke
[18:21] <coreymon77> so, we have a meeting tomorrow huh?
[18:21] <coreymon77> i might actually be able to make this one
[18:21] <coreymon77> seeing as its at a sane time for me
[18:22] <coreymon77> meh
[18:22] <coreymon77> bye
[18:23] <Tm_T> apache|mobile: MOOOH!
[18:47] <polopolo> hello all
[18:47] <Tm_T> polopolo: welcome :)
[18:47] <polopolo> Is this the place to ask if something can be added on a package?
[18:47] <Tm_T> sure
[18:47] <polopolo> well
[18:48] <mhb> hi folks, hope you're keeping Kubuntu rocking while I'm really busy with school
[18:48] <polopolo> in the ubuntu-restricted-extras a package is included called msttcorefonts
[18:49] <nosrednaekim> mhb » yep :)
[18:49] <mhb> advice to you: if you want to learn something really hard, go for set theory
[18:49] <polopolo> but in kubuntu-restricted-extras, it's not, is it possible to include it
[18:49] <polopolo> for the next version after hardy?
[18:49] <Tm_T> maaaaaah I'm frozen
[18:49] <ScottK> That's not a bad suggestion.
[18:50] <cheguevara> yeah it makes sense
[18:50] <steveire> Hi. Regarding the 3.5.9 packages in ppa. Are they going to get into a more official and supported repo at any time?
[18:50] <Tm_T> steveire: see kubuntu.org
[18:51] <Tm_T> I wonder how they are unsupported now
[18:51] <steveire> Tm_T: That's what I'm talking about
[18:51] <steveire> It's in a ppa rather than anywhere else (signed)
[18:51] <ScottK> steveire: The only potential target for more official would be gutsy-backports and that's equally unsupported.
[18:51] <_StefanS_> what was that change you need to do in order to get kde4 to work... something in the startup script
[18:51] <Tm_T> steveire: heh, IMO that's best support, lp ftw (true signing would be good)
[18:52] <nosrednaekim> _StefanS_ » nothing I know of..it should just work
[18:53] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: right, but not if you updated with the latest packages
[18:53] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile should be commented out or something
[18:53] <_StefanS_> brb
[18:53] <nosrednaekim> oh....
[18:54] <steveire> There used to be a kubuntu.org repo crypto signed for this stuff.
[18:56] <steveire> I bring up support because the page says 'These packages are not well supported.'
[19:02] <Tm_T> phew
[19:02] <jussi01> Tm_T: Im off, catch you in a bit!
[19:02] <Tm_T> jussi01: thanks son :))
[19:02] <jussi01> no probs dad :)
[19:03] <Nightrose> Tm_T: well done mom ;-)
[19:03] <nosrednaekim> :)
[19:04] <cheguevara> lol
[19:07] <smarter> How can I get my qdevelop package in Debian?
[19:08] <Tm_T> Nightrose: well done my own grave that is, my dear child?
[19:08] <Nightrose> ;-) nah
[19:20] <nixternal> man, there were so many duplicate kde4 bugs, and kde4 bugs created almost a year ago....cleaned up quite a few though
[19:21] <nixternal> now it is time to work on homework!
[19:21] <nixternal> yay! I hate database homework!
[19:21] <cheguevara> lol
[19:22] <nixternal> actually, I hate functional dependencies
[19:22] <nixternal> oh well, gotta get it done within the hour though...back in a bit
[19:26] <jjesse> nixternal: still snowing in chi town?
[19:30] <nareshov> need help with kde4 startup, .xsession-error has something in it
[20:13] <nixternal> jjesse: hasn't snowed in chicago at all...we haven't had any snow in over a week now...just cold
[20:14] <cheguevara> nareshov, whast the something
[20:14] <cheguevara> *whats
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> cheguevara » he figured it out.
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> it was the k-d-s again <_<
[20:14] <cheguevara> oh kk :P
[20:14] <cheguevara> yeah that what i was thinking :P
[20:15] <oloughlin75> k-d-s?
[20:15] <cheguevara> kubuntu-default-settings
[20:15] <oloughlin75> ohh
[20:18] <jjesse> nixternal: must be nice to not have snow in a week.... we are still gettting snow... they are concerned the grand river might flood
[20:18] <jjesse> when the snow melts
[20:19] <nixternal> ya, we have the salt creek, dupage river, and the des plaines river all threatening to flood when the thaw occurs
[20:19] <nixternal> thankfully we live on a huge hill, so flooding doesn't bother us
[20:20] <jjesse> yeah i don't live near the river but there was a big story on it on saturday
[20:38] <Tm_T> yay, I got doctor for monday <3
[20:39] <Tm_T> my things are moving forward very quickly
[20:44] <jjesse> yay for doctor appoitnments
[20:45] <uga> oh my... (not worksafe, but... related to ubuntu) http://www.frikipedia.es/images/1/1e/Ubuntu_5.11.jpg
[20:45] <uga> frikipedia is a website emulating wikipedia, but in a sarcastic style
[20:47] <uga> (translated, it'd be "freakypedia")
[20:48] <Tm_T> jjesse: indeed, especially for this kind of ones
[20:48] <smarter> uncyclopedia rocks
[20:48] <jjesse> good luck w/ the doctor then
[20:49] <Tm_T> jjesse: thanks :)
[20:49] <Tm_T> jjesse: prolly will be a start for a year(s) of therapy so it's good
[20:49] <jjesse> Tm_T: i hope he/she can figure out how best to help you out
[20:50] <Tm_T> jjesse: all she has to do is to get me further times :-P
[20:50] <buz> my experience has been that unless you go to a specialist doctor, you know more than him after 3 hours of googling
[20:50] <Tm_T> and put her name in to one paper
[20:50] <Tm_T> buz: yup, glad these doctors listen me, not just tell me what I'm supposed to feel
[20:50] <buz> well i make em listen :P
[20:50] <smarter> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Uncyclux :}
[20:51] <Tm_T> basicly they now verify I do have thing called "asperger syndrome" or they keep wondering if it is, both are good in my case
[20:52] <jjesse> isn't that often times described as functional autism?
[20:52] <buz> well its on the autism scale
[20:52] <Tm_T> yup
[20:52] <buz> as for functioning, that would probably depend on the individual
[20:53] <Tm_T> yes
[20:53] <Tm_T> I do have one of those hard to detect ones, as being learnt lots of things to "do by hard thinking" but meh, tired to bang my head against the wall too often
[20:53] <jjesse> i think i heard that a lof IT people have some form of aspergers
[20:54] <buz> well it's somewhat hard to properly segment, some are "just" shy and introvert
[20:54] <Tm_T> buz: do I look shy? =)
[20:55] <buz> irc does not count
[20:55] <Tm_T> buz: ok, you haven't seen me "IRL" ;)
[20:56] <Tm_T> in my case it's more about what I see and understand and how I see and understand
[20:56] <buz> i dont have much trust in shrinks though
[20:57] <Tm_T> me neither, that's why I had to discover things myself
[20:57] <Tm_T> now I know when I have to say "no that's not it"
[20:58] <buz> yeah, when i go to a doctor i usually demand to run test x and z to rule out or confirm what i'm not sure about
[20:58] <Tm_T> to me it's not about am I sick or not, it's more about are my features acceptable by society or not
[20:58] <buz> not being able to figure that out does point in the autism spectrum, yes
[20:59] <buz> then again society is a bitch to figure out so...
[20:59] <Tm_T> heh, I have been trying to fit into society and "normal way of thinking" most of my life, I can't so time to make sure noone is trying to force me anymore
[20:59] <Tm_T> buz: agreed =)
[21:01] <Tm_T> shame this all took over 100 years to me to realise
[21:01] <apachelogger> d'oh
[21:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you please nuke kgrubeditor from the new queue
[21:02] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hey, was it you or who working with KDE3 -> KDE4 migration assistant?
[21:02]  * apachelogger defenitely thinks dput should ask which configuration to use
[21:02] <apachelogger> Tm_T: none did yet
[21:02] <buz> mhh weird
[21:03] <Tm_T> apachelogger: but you have been thinking it atleast?
[21:03] <buz> i somehow managed to "replace" kopete statuts icons with colored quadrats
[21:03] <buz> squares
[21:03] <cheguevara> apachelogger, are you gonna re-upload k-d-s with kde 4 settings again?
[21:03] <Tm_T> buz: shot please
[21:04] <hunger> Are there kde 3.5.9 debs yet?
[21:04] <buz> hunger: yes
[21:04] <Tm_T> hunger: are
[21:04] <cheguevara> they are in hardy repos and a ppa
[21:04] <apachelogger> cheguevara: only if nixternal gives his ok
[21:04] <cheguevara> kk
[21:04] <apachelogger> Tm_T: pretty much so, I geuss
[21:04] <apachelogger> *guess
[21:04] <hunger> Ah, cool, I already have them installed!
[21:05] <hunger> Just need to restart X;-) Stupid me.
[21:05] <apachelogger> lol
[21:05] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ok, because I think my summer project will somewhat "touch" this area, being migration assistant from Windows and others to Kubuntu
[21:05] <hunger> maybe I should switch to bigger fonts.
[21:05] <Tm_T> apachelogger: so, fiddling with same settings in the end
[21:06] <buz> Tm_T: http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8268/kopetesnapshotqg0.png
[21:07] <Tm_T> buz: wow, err, how?! I mean, wow, err, wwow
[21:07] <buz> i have no f* idea
[21:07] <cheguevara> lol
[21:07] <buz> i was playing around with themeing
[21:07] <apachelogger> Tonio_: is there a reason why kdesudo-kde4 wasn't archived on revu?
[21:07] <buz> and suddenly that happened
[21:08] <buz> it actually works that way, just looks weird
[21:08] <apachelogger> jpatrick: please have a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kgrubeditor
[21:09] <jpatrick> apachelogger: you have two: kde4-wrapper-creation: one in rules and the other in cdbs/kde.mk
[21:09] <Tm_T> buz: but, err, that shouldn't happen, you fiddled with icon theme?
[21:09] <apachelogger> jpatrick: read comment in rules :)
[21:09] <buz> well i'm not sure whether theme manager does that
[21:09] <buz> as for the other icons, they seem to be fine
[21:09] <jpatrick> KGRUBEditor-(.*)-src\.tar\.bz2
[21:09] <jpatrick> yay
[21:10] <apachelogger> jpatrick: ?
[21:11] <Tonio_> apachelogger: because a second person needs to approve :)
[21:11] <Tonio_> apachelogger: feel free to approve it ;)
[21:11] <Tonio_> s/approve/archive
[21:11] <apachelogger> Tonio_: it already is
[21:11] <jpatrick> apachelogger: for crappy upstream tar names :)
[21:11] <buz> sounds like i maybe should reinstall hardy from scratch
[21:11] <buz> may just do that with the next iso
[21:11] <apachelogger> jpatrick: well, difference is what we like :P
[21:13] <jpatrick> apachelogger: +1 from me, looks good
[21:13]  * jpatrick logs into revu
[21:13]  * apachelogger creates a FFE request
[21:13] <jpatrick> "Feature Freeze is in effect, your packages won't get reviewed."
[21:14] <apachelogger> haha, aparently they do :P
[21:14] <jpatrick> apachelogger: just upload and let Riddell do the approving :)
[21:15] <apachelogger> jpatrick: no exception request?
[21:15] <jpatrick> apachelogger: T0n!o didn't need one, but that was kdesudo...
[21:15] <Riddell> kdesudo is in main
[21:15] <apachelogger> ok
[21:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: so don't nuke kgrubeditor but give it an approve :D
[21:16] <Tonio_> jpatrick: you didn't want me to read this ? ;)
[21:16] <Tonio_> T0n!o... ^^
[21:16] <apachelogger> jpatrick is just too leet
[21:17] <jpatrick> !leet | Tonio_
[21:17] <ubotu> Tonio_: 1337 i5 nigh-inc0mpr3h3n5ib13 70 u5 n00bs, 4nd n0b0dy c4r35 if UR 4 1337 h4x0r. Giv3 i7 4 r357.
[21:17] <jpatrick> ;-)
[21:17] <Tonio_> ;)
[21:17] <jpatrick> Tonio_: didn't want to distrib
[21:18] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well technically, kdesudo isn't a new feature, it just fixes a kde4 issue -> no way to graphically start applications with root permissions...
[21:18] <Tonio_> apachelogger: and btw, it is a kubuntu native development somehow, so it's specific
[21:19] <apachelogger> technically kgrubeditor is a bugfix release for qgrubeditor
[21:19] <apachelogger> just exchanged the q with a k I'd say :P
[21:20]  * apachelogger grabs something to drink before he dehydrates
[21:25] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum, that can be debated....
[21:25] <Tonio_> qgrubeditor works, kdesu-kde4 doesn't :)
[21:26] <apachelogger> well, kdesu works
[21:26] <apachelogger> just not as well
[21:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: on kde4 ?
[21:27] <apachelogger> yups
[21:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: last time I tested, it didn't work at all....
[21:27] <apachelogger> built with sudo support
[21:27] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, we fixed that 3 days after 4.0.0 release I think
[21:34] <Tonio_> apachelogger: oki ;)
[21:34] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well isn't that any better to have kdesudo ready for hardy ?
[21:34] <Tonio_> I think it is pretty good news, imho :)
[21:35] <apachelogger> Tonio_: oh, it is :)
[21:39] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah just the way we uploaded isn't nice iyho :)
[21:39] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sorry for this :)
[21:41] <apachelogger> honestly, I don't care, as long as I have kdesudo in hardy
[21:41] <cheguevara> heh
[21:44] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well kde4 version isn't perfect, but works
[21:44] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I don't plan to work on it before hardy is released, and will have hardy+1 plans for it
[21:45] <Tonio_> atm kdesudo kde3 is more important imho
[21:45] <apachelogger> yep
[21:53] <oloughlin75> has anybody used the amarok2 preview?
[21:58] <buz> i tried
[21:58] <buz> would not wrk
[21:58] <oloughlin75> i wont bother than
[21:58] <apachelogger> pfft
[21:58] <apachelogger> works for me
[21:59] <nareshov> >_>
[21:59] <oloughlin75> apachelogger: good enough to use it every day?
[21:59] <apachelogger> no
[21:59] <apachelogger> otherwise it wouldn't be a technical preview
[21:59] <oloughlin75> then i wont bother :)
[21:59] <cheguevara> lol
[22:02] <nareshov> What is knotify4 and why does it use up a lot of memory? :|
[22:32] <crimsun_> Tonio_: ok, looking now.  (Still travelling)
[23:01] <Riddell> stdin: about?
[23:33] <blizzzek> gn8
[23:43] <blueyed> Any opinions on bug 118939?
[23:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118939 in kdelibs "Apport does not get used for crashing KDE programs" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118939
[23:45] <Riddell> blueyed: KDE has its own crash handler