[00:20] <picard_pwns_kirk> openoffice crashes whenever I try to print a document to a CUPS server, terminal output: http://pastebin.com/m2e2b050
[00:20] <picard_pwns_kirk> (i386)
[00:25] <picard_pwns_kirk> file a bug?
[00:41] <Tuv0k> bug #192992
[00:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192992 in python-central "[hardy] pycentral crashed with ValueError in parse_versions()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192992
[01:04] <LimCore> linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic  is still ownable by vmsplice exploit. is it ok?
[01:04] <crimsun_> sigh.  That kernel is not in hardy.
[01:05] <crimsun_> and, as I implied earlier, neither of the versions in hardy are vulnerable.
[01:05] <LimCore> I wonder when this will be back ported to 7.10 then
[01:05] <crimsun_> to answer your off-topic question, however, the version in gutsy-security is not vulnerable to the appropriate CVEs.
[01:06] <crimsun_> note that both gutsy-updates and gutsy-security contain the fixed package(s).
[01:06] <crimsun_> linux-source-2.6.22 | 2.6.22-14.52 | gutsy-security | source, all
[01:06] <crimsun_> linux-source-2.6.22 | 2.6.22-14.52 | gutsy-updates | source, all
[01:10] <LimCore> 2.6.22-14.52   in gutsy is the same as from 7.10
[01:10] <LimCore> is it?
[01:11] <Mark_Milliman> Does Hardy have a desktop manager that should be running?
[01:11] <crimsun_> LimCore: 7.10 == gutsy, yes.
[01:11] <Mark_Milliman> I don't have any desktop icons, context menu on the desktop, or File Manager when opening Places>Desktop.
[01:13] <Mark_Milliman> for fear of being a noob (I just don't use IRC much anymore) how do I send a message to a person without opening a private chat window?
[01:13] <Mark_Milliman> compiz is running along with my panels but nothing else on the desktop.
[01:13] <Mark_Milliman> I can't even change my wallpaper
[01:26] <spudratic0> ? how stable is hardy
[01:27] <spudratic0> at this momment
[01:27] <spudratic0> has to be more stable than 7.10
[01:32] <bobesponja> I can't install or remove anything because of pythin-central bug, is there a way around this?
[01:34] <sn0> bobesponja the bug 192992 has a workaround in the comments, but i guess there will be a perm update/fix soon
[01:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192992 in python-central "[hardy] pycentral crashed with ValueError in parse_versions()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192992
[01:35] <bobesponja> sn0: thanks, what workaround? I tried the one here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/python-apt/0.7.4ubuntu4 but it didn't fix it
[01:35] <sn0> bobesponja what happens? you need to pin the package in /etc/apt/preferences also then try apt-get/aptitude update
[01:36] <bobesponja> sn0: I did that
[01:37] <bobesponja> sn0: and I still get the same error
[01:38] <sn0> bobesponja strange, could you add that to the bugreport
[01:39] <bobesponja> sn0: ok
[01:39] <sn0> bobesponja it would be useful to note is this a fresh install from a daily, or upgraded etc
[01:40] <sn0> im trying fix here too on today's daily
[01:40] <bobesponja> sn0: I've just upgraded to hardy, everything went fine exept for this
[01:46] <sn0> fix works here, but fresh install
[01:47] <crimsun_> to be clear, that's not a fix
[01:48] <sn0> sorry fix was the wrong word, i understand its a temp workaround crimsun_
[01:56] <crimsun_> well, not really a surprise.  /var/lib/pycentral/delayed-pkgs is zero-byte.
[01:57] <DanaG> OOooooh, look at HP Japan's wallpapers:  http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/
[01:58] <Dr_willis_> DanaG,  how zen-full
[01:58] <Dr_willis_> :)
[01:58] <DanaG> The colors are nice, though.
[01:59] <Dr_willis_> ill stick with my wallpaper i grabbed from the national geographic site :)
[01:59] <Dr_willis_> Gotta have a nice 'safe' collection of 'faimly friendly' wallpaper.
[01:59] <DanaG> I'm using the background from the "Coming Storm" GDM theme.
[01:59] <DanaG> What's with the quote marks?
[02:00] <Dr_willis_> ' " '"'' '' ''"  morse code. :)
[02:00] <picard_pwns_kirk> ..-.-...-.-.-...--..---...
[02:00] <picard_pwns_kirk> -.-
[02:00] <Dr_willis_> One dose not want the wife and kids to find the anime paper
[02:00] <Dr_willis_> bbl
[02:00] <picard_pwns_kirk> mmkay
[02:01] <DanaG> I don't use anime characters as wallpaper; frankly, I'd find it kind of embarassing, for some reason.
[02:05] <bobesponja> sn0: do you know how I can undo the "fix" so I remove the python-central fix and get back the old one given that I can't install or remove anything?
[02:05] <bobesponja> or will the "real fix" fix both case anyway?
[02:05] <DanaG> I try to avoid installing anything I haven't read changelogs for.
[02:06] <bobesponja> DanaG: ok then you must install ubuntu in a month then :)
[02:07] <DanaG> No, I read changelogs as packages come out in update-manager.
[02:23] <DanaG> Hmm, 70 updates, zero changelogs.
[02:26] <crimsun_> got it
[02:27] <crimsun_> pyversion's parse_versions() fails to handle a string that is passed pkg info, ala vstring is 'python:Versions=2.4'
[02:29] <emgent> crimsun_, see query :P
[02:29] <crimsun_> so, now it's down to whether pkgprepare() should sanitise strings of the above type and only pass in, say, '2.4' or '2.4, 2.5'
[02:32] <crimsun_> I think I'll temporarily hack parse_versions() to handle it.
[02:32] <crimsun_> Matthias can kill me later.  :=)
[03:29] <bofh80> ok fixed the python error by simply pinning the version as advised in the bug. great stuff :)
[03:29] <bofh80> now could anyone tell me why my nvidia driver has died? :(
[03:30] <bofh80> i've had to switch back to NV, i used nvidia-glx-new (using restricted driver manager / now hardware manager) but apparently X doesn't seen nvidia driver at all
[03:31] <bofh80> oh and hardware manager doesn't list it anymore either
[03:31] <DanaG> Hmm, I just downloaded the SAME version from nvidia's site, and installed it the manual way.
[03:31] <DanaG> Installing the same version means you won't have to disable lrm-manager.
[03:34] <RAOF> I just ran OpenArena on nouveau :P
[03:35]  * DanaG wonders which he'd be better with: ATI Mobility Radeon HD2600 or NVIDIA GeForce Go 8600.
[03:36] <RAOF> ATI.  It'll have better free drivers faster.
[03:36] <ionstorm> nvidia
[03:36] <RAOF> Nouveau doesn't really handle nv5x at the moment.
[03:37] <ionstorm> nouveau any good?
[03:37] <DanaG> wtf?  I press ctrl-a, I get just the letter 'a'.
[03:37] <RAOF> Better than nv for everything < nv50
[03:37] <DanaG> Then I press it again while still holding 'ctrl', and I get ctrl-a.
[03:37] <DanaG> WTF?
[03:37] <RAOF> *Substantially* better than nv on many cards.
[03:38] <ionstorm> is it better than nvidia glx new
[03:38] <RAOF> On my nv4B, nouveau's 2d is as fast or faster than the blob.
[03:39] <RAOF> Since there isn't really any 3d to speak of, that makes it better than the blob.  Unless you want 3d, at which point nouveau's 3d support is blocked while gallium is in development.
[03:39] <DanaG> Two things I hope for by summer:
[03:39] <DanaG> Midrange ATI 3xxx series cards for laptops, and drivers (either open or closed; doesn't matter too much to me) better than nvidia's.
[03:41] <DanaG> Xorg is being buggy -- I pressed CTRL+(a,a,a) and got the letter 'a' twice before select-all happened.
[03:41] <RAOF> I don't think the latter's likely; nvidia's blob is really quite good, especially compared to fglrx.  If you compare free drivers though, the ati will likely win easily.
[03:42] <DanaG> I'll just be glad to be rid of the screen flickering and the (rare) hard-lockups.
[03:45] <ionstorm> https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[03:45] <ionstorm> i see your repo
[03:45] <ionstorm> hehe
[03:45] <RAOF> No 3d support in there, although I'm considering it.
[03:46] <ionstorm> 3d support would be nice
[03:46] <RAOF> But basically there's no reason to ever use nv on < nv50.
[03:46] <ionstorm> i got a nv34
[03:46] <ionstorm> how is the support
[03:46] <RAOF> Should be good.  You may even have 3d support.
[03:47] <RAOF> (But not with my packages, you'd need to build a mesa branch yourself).
[03:47] <RAOF> You also get shiny new bicubic filtering for Xv.
[03:47] <ionstorm> where do I find info on building/installing
[03:48] <RAOF> Pretty much nowhere, sadly.
[03:48] <RAOF> You can install the X drivers from my PPA.
[03:48] <RAOF> Building the mesa branch is actually rather easy.
[03:49] <RAOF> You get this branch (http://cgit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/mesa/log/?h=gallium-0.1) of mesa, and build it with "make linux-dri-$(ARCH) DRI_DIRS=nouveau".
[03:50] <DanaG> Do you think the ATI drivers will be good by summertime?
[03:51] <RAOF> DanaG: Depends on what drivers you're thinking of.  Radeon/radeonhd sound like they should do decent 2d accel reasonably soon.  As for the 3d support, probably not so much.
[03:51] <DanaG> Dang.
[03:52] <DanaG> Well, are the closed-source drivers at least usable?
[03:52] <RAOF> I've heard it said that if gallium was finished right now, and you had 3 good developers working on it full time, 3d support for nv50 would take at least 6 months.  I'd expect r600 support to take about that time, too.
[03:52] <RAOF> The fglrx drivers are getting better, yes.
[03:54] <DanaG> I'll make the actual purchasing decision around summer time.
[03:56] <tumbleweed__> get nvidia
[03:56] <tumbleweed__> plain and simple
[03:56] <tumbleweed__> it's less of a pain in the ass
[03:56] <RAOF> tumbleweed__: The question is: for how long?
[03:56] <tumbleweed__> it is for now
[03:56] <tumbleweed__> no point worrying about what might be
[03:57] <RAOF> How about if you're buying in 6 months' time, as the question was :)
[03:58] <spr0k3t> my only recomendation... if you want smashing fantastic 3D to play hard core games, get a decent nvidia that is well supported by the drivers in the repo.
[03:58] <chrisb_> i agree
[03:59] <chrisb_> my ati doesn't have driver support
[03:59] <spr0k3t> if you don't have a real need to do hardcore 3D, some of the latest Intel graphics chipsets are damn nice... and open.
[03:59] <RAOF> But really, if you want to play hard core games, get a Wintendo.  Linux driver support doesn't matter very much.
[04:00] <RAOF> The group who have to actually worry are people (like me) who do a little casual gaming, some WoW, etc in wine.  Hard core gamers use Windows.
[04:00]  * tumbleweed__ nods
[04:00] <spr0k3t> I've got a board with built in 965 graphics that handles every bit of 3D I throw at it from things like compiz... granted it's not the best for FPS type games... but damn good for everything else.
[04:01] <RAOF> My friend with an integrated Intel chipset is always envious about how much better WoW looks on this nvidia laptop when we play together.
[04:01] <spr0k3t> RAOF: which chipset though?
[04:02] <RAOF> It's a year-old macbook.  What's that? :)
[04:02] <spr0k3t> the 915 and 935 aren't that great.
[04:02] <spr0k3t> that would be a 915 if it uses the intel chips
[04:02] <DanaG> I do gaming in Windows, but not any in Linux.
[04:02] <RAOF> Ah.  So it's one of the crappy old intels?
[04:02] <spr0k3t> yeah
[04:02] <DanaG> Big stopper: it doesn't get along with PulseAudio.
[04:03] <spr0k3t> DanaG: the intel chips?
[04:03] <DanaG> Wine, I mean.  Sorry, I didn't specify what 'that' referred to.
[04:03] <spr0k3t> s'ok
[04:04] <RAOF> Wine needs to learn that the default ALSA device is the default for a reason.
[04:05] <spr0k3t> I'm still trying to figure out a reason to use wine for my needs.
[04:21] <Andre_Gondim> does anyone have problem with python-apt_0.7.4ubuntu5_i386.deb, how to solve?
[04:26] <VanDyke> I have that problem
[04:26] <VanDyke> and I also have a problem with firefox crashing on howtoforge.com
[04:26]  * DanaG doesn't have that problem because he hasn't tried to install that update -- no changelog == I don't install.
[04:28] <DanaG> Bwahahahahaha>/dev/null
[04:29] <VanDyke> lawl\
[04:33] <ionstorm> hey check this out http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56581/
[04:33] <ionstorm> I cant install update-manager in hardy
[05:23] <DanaG> Hmm, anybody here use HP business notebooks?
[05:23] <DanaG> I'm curious how well they work ... for example, working wattage reporting is a big thing.
[05:26] <AtomicSpark> always people in here but nobody talks. interesting.
[05:29] <ethana2> that's how IRC goes..
[05:29] <ethana2> ^_^
[05:31] <AtomicSpark> has anyone successfully got hardy running in KVM? the install is abnormally slow and then when i log in, it just shows the background and my mouse. :\
[05:36] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i like the new top-panel pull down animation and the pulse when u press firefox
[05:38] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> anyone knows how do they implement those effects?
[05:40] <AtomicSpark> desktop effects?
[05:40] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> not compiz
[05:41] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> there are some effects make the login process looks much smoother
[05:42] <AtomicSpark> hmm. i haven't gotten hardy to work so i wouldnt know :P
[05:49] <ionstorm> i have a problem with nvidia-glx-new with the new hardy kernel but not 2.6.24-7-generic
[05:50] <ionstorm> do I need to remove 2.6.24-7-generic and reinstall glx-new for it to work?
[05:53] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> how to disable tracker at login?
[05:53] <ionstorm> sessions
[05:53] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> gnome-seesion-properties?
[05:54] <Mark_Milliman> update-manager should take you to the -8 kernel
[05:54] <Mark_Milliman> use the nvidia-new driver
[05:54] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> already disable it under there
[05:54] <Mark_Milliman> you will have to make a symbolic link to get glx to work
[05:55] <Mark_Milliman> I am using the -8 kernel with the nvidia-new drivers and everything is working great
[05:55] <Mark_Milliman> compiz is flying around nicely
[05:55]  * slackern stabs his ati card :P
[05:56] <Mark_Milliman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=698805 explains how to get the restricted nVidia drivers working
[05:56] <Mark_Milliman> you will obviously have to restart X after the change
[05:57] <Mark_Milliman> I just need to get my desktop back
[05:57] <Mark_Milliman> I posted a query in the Ubuntu Forums but there is no response yet
[05:58] <Mark_Milliman> anyone have their desktop disappear?  Wallpaper, desktop icons, right-click/context menu, and Places>Desktop all don't work.
[05:58] <AtomicSpark> i just joined
[05:58] <AtomicSpark> good job mark
[05:59] <Mark_Milliman> np Atomic
[05:59] <Mark_Milliman> I had the nVidia driver problem yesterday morning
[05:59] <Mark_Milliman> Saturday morning really
[05:59] <Mark_Milliman> days are going together
[06:00] <AtomicSpark> the forum layout is odd :\
[06:00] <Mark_Milliman> Some how the schema of the %gconf.xml file for the desktop was corrupted
[06:00] <Mark_Milliman> I fixed it but I think I killed a process that starts the Nautilus desktop
[06:01] <Mark_Milliman> I agree on the forums
[06:01] <Mark_Milliman> ...but this is an alpha
[06:02] <Mark_Milliman> should there be some sort of Nautilus daemon running when Gnome starts after login?
[06:04] <ionstorm> Mark_Milliman, thans for the tip for glx-new
[06:04] <AtomicSpark> hmm
[06:04] <AtomicSpark> i would agree
[06:04] <AtomicSpark> since gnome by default uses the nautilus file manager
[06:04] <AtomicSpark> :P
[06:05] <Mark_Milliman> gotta get that eye candy working ionstorm
[06:06] <ionstorm> the tut says cd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/
[06:06] <ionstorm> I dont have the dir
[06:07] <ionstorm> rofl
[06:07] <AtomicSpark> lawl
[06:07] <ionstorm> nm was still in a chroot
[06:07] <AtomicSpark> thats happened to me before
[06:07]  * heret1c returns
[06:08] <ionstorm> brb
[06:08] <heret1c> h'm-
[06:08] <heret1c> ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt$ uptime
[06:08] <heret1c>  06:07:40 up 13:38,  7 users,
[06:08] <AtomicSpark> ?
[06:09] <heret1c> 7 users?
[06:09] <AtomicSpark> for?
[06:09] <heret1c> running hardy from cd.
[06:10] <AtomicSpark> hmm.
[06:10] <heret1c> my hd died.
[06:10] <AtomicSpark> root, liveuser, hmm... donno what other users there could be
[06:10] <AtomicSpark> i am sure some apps have their own user
[06:10] <heret1c> as in "nhd 0,0 not found".
[06:10] <AtomicSpark> heh. poor you.
[06:11] <AtomicSpark> i should just burn a cd and check out hardy.
[06:11] <Mark_Milliman> just did 8 updates
[06:11] <Mark_Milliman> but 3 didn't work because of pycentral
[06:11] <Mark_Milliman> python still broken?
[06:11] <AtomicSpark> kvm doesnt even like gutsy :(
[06:12] <AtomicSpark> it used to work damnitt lol
[06:13] <DanaG> **** ctrl key got stuck again.
[06:14] <AtomicSpark> you know what i dont get? this is not relevent to hardy at all, but why cant linux adapt windows key shortcuts? i mean.. it uses for some of the compiz stuff. it should at least have some of the others too.
[06:14] <AtomicSpark> i miss my win + L, etc. fn key F6 is more lame.
[06:14] <DanaG> win-E win-d win-F win-R win-L win-pause ctrl-shift-escape
[06:14] <AtomicSpark> yes those
[06:15] <DanaG> ctrl-shift-escape is taskmgr even in domain.
[06:16] <AtomicSpark> so what features do you think they'll add in hardy? is there a proposed list? like features not added yet?
[06:17] <heret1c> dma?
[06:17] <AtomicSpark> :|
[06:18] <AtomicSpark> dma?
[06:18]  * heret1c suspects it was the lack of DMA which fried his hd.
[06:18] <AtomicSpark> well
[06:18] <AtomicSpark> it would slow it down a lot
[06:18] <AtomicSpark> but fry it?
[06:18] <AtomicSpark> hmm.
[06:18] <DanaG> Well, stepping to PIO can kill CD drives, but I don't know about hard drives.
[06:19] <heret1c> it's noy in fstab. nor media. nor mount.
[06:19] <AtomicSpark> maybe its a hardware issue
[06:19] <heret1c> noy/not
[06:20] <AtomicSpark> have you tried another harddrive on that cable? tryed swapping cables (lols why not)?
[06:20] <heret1c> atomicspark> it looks dead as a dodo.
[06:20] <AtomicSpark> yeah.
[06:20] <AtomicSpark> usually you notice them dying first though...
[06:20] <heret1c> don't have a såare.
[06:21] <AtomicSpark> like making noises, file system errors. etc.
[06:21] <AtomicSpark> i know mine on my desktop is dying. i mean a clean install of xp has file problems. thats something.
[06:21] <heret1c> horrible noises indeed.
[06:23] <AtomicSpark> bonki!
[06:24] <DanaG> Best thing to do with a dying drive: STOP USING IT.  NOW!
[06:24] <DanaG> Buy a new drive and back it up before too late.
[06:24] <heret1c> *clunck*
[06:24] <AtomicSpark> lol in the other room, they're talking about how ubuntu will get them nerd sex.
[06:25] <heret1c> fana> use it? don't even see it.
[06:25] <AtomicSpark> good plan
[06:25] <DanaG> Sure hasn't helped me... but that's not even what I'm looking for.  Other things come first ... like real relationships.
[06:25] <AtomicSpark> did you try to mount it manually?
[06:25] <AtomicSpark> is it even spinning up? :\
[06:25] <DanaG> By "don't use it", I mean actually disconnect the power cable.
[06:26] <heret1c> yes and no.
[06:26] <DanaG> It's one of those things you reeeeeeeeeally want to catch in time.
[06:26] <heret1c> danag> spot on.
[06:27] <AtomicSpark> ive never had a harddrive die on me, they just get worse lol.
[06:27] <DanaG> Something I hate about USB hard drives is that you can't get SMART data from them; however, I've heard that even SMART data isn't foolproof.
[06:27] <heret1c> irony is, the alpha runs from CD without a glitch. up >13 hts, online for > 12.
[06:28] <AtomicSpark> how often does ubuntu check SMART?
[06:28] <DanaG> Hmm, if it runs fine from livecd with no hdd errors, then it's likely not a hardware failure.
[06:29]  * heret1c dunnos. qtparted won't start.
[06:29] <AtomicSpark> i'm still learning about ext3. mm self healing.
[06:33] <heret1c> Ooo, uådatemanager is offerinh upgrades. 8-/
[06:33] <AtomicSpark> ?
[06:33] <AtomicSpark> english?
[06:33] <DanaG> Deadkeys, likely.
[06:34] <heret1c> sorry. bad light/eyesight.
[06:34] <AtomicSpark> lol
[06:35] <heret1c> combination makes for frequent typos.
[06:36] <heret1c> h'm monitor & display in system settings complains of conflicting modules. there are none not suuppøied with the CD.
[06:38] <DanaG> How do you typo those nifty international characters?
[06:39] <AtomicSpark> international keyboard
[06:39] <AtomicSpark> D:
[06:39] <AtomicSpark> WOAAAAA
[06:39] <heret1c> dana> lang=no
[06:39] <DanaG> I mean, I can do them on purpose, but I don't think I could do it accidentally.
[06:40] <heret1c> æøå
[06:40] <DanaG> Aah, different.  Norwegian. (unless I'm misinterpreting 'no'.)
[06:40] <heret1c> danag> spot on.
[06:41] <AtomicSpark> spot on!
[06:44] <heret1c> what is the hdparm command to list available drives, again?
[06:48] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder if there'd be any practical benefit to getting a FireGL instead of a Radeon.
[06:48] <DanaG> (I don't use AutoCAD in my major.)
[06:53] <AtomicSpark> no
[06:54] <AtomicSpark> unless you need it for a program, don't get it.
[06:54] <AtomicSpark> it actully runs games slower.
[06:54] <AtomicSpark> blame the drivers they release once a year
[06:55] <ace> any easy work around for python-central bug? or just wait?
[06:57] <ace> anyone know how to remove packages that will not autoremove? --purge gets stuck saying subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[07:01] <ethana2> how do I unsubscribe from bugs?
[07:02] <ethana2> I've linked my email inbox to the bug crushing machine that is ubuntu development
[07:02] <RAOF> With the unsubscribe link on the bugpage? :)
[07:02] <ethana2> and I'm getting ..  where on the page is it?
[07:02] <RAOF> Whatever page you subscribed for it on.
[07:02]  * heret1c tips hat at raof
[07:02] <RAOF> Have you done something like subscribed to *all* bugs in Ubuntu? :)
[07:02] <ethana2> i looked everywhere
[07:02] <ethana2> it almost seems like I did
[07:02] <ethana2> lol
[07:02] <ethana2> oh thank goodness
[07:03] <ethana2> that link didn't say that a minute ago
[07:03] <ethana2> *click*
[07:03] <RAOF> Heh.
[07:03] <heret1c> ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt$ uptime
[07:03] <heret1c>  06:07:40 up 13:38,  7 users,
[07:05] <heret1c> raif> know anything about hd forensics? looks as if ubuntu killed mine.
[07:05] <heret1c>   o
[07:07] <Raspberry> anybody else having gl screensaves locking the machine?
[07:14] <fnordistus> high
[07:14] <DanaG> low.
[07:15] <alteregoa> what the heck is those debug log? "username" kernel: 27989.145219 atl1 000:02:00.0 hw csum wrong, pkt_flag:1600, err_flag:80
[07:15] <heret1c> yesh.
[07:15] <alteregoa> i use a p5k without WIFI
[07:16] <alteregoa> how can i get rid off wifi modules in kernel?
[07:17] <heret1c> blacklist
[07:18] <alteregoa> python has being crapped too
[07:18] <heret1c> alteregoa> spot on.
[07:19] <alteregoa> meow
[07:19] <zqwe> does nvidia 100.14.19 driver still work in hardy? one of my games have problems with 169.09
[07:21] <RAOF> Hey, cool.  Someone's put my webcam drivers in linux-ubuntu-modules :)
[07:21] <RAOF> zqwe: You can try nvidia-glx, which is a 96xx driver.
[07:22] <zqwe> mmm probably new legacy broken too for this game
[07:22] <heret1c> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/104535 )indirect proof it was ubuntu which zapped my hd, along with the DMA issue)
[07:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104535 in ubuntu "Default HD power management settings will kill drive (dup-of: 59695)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 59695 in acpi-support "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Critical,Confirmed]
[07:23] <alteregoa> its kantastic
[07:23] <zqwe> wait what is 96xx? its not legacy?
[07:23] <heret1c> who do I sue?
[07:24] <alteregoa> heh i need a carbuntu version with low display res
[07:25] <alteregoa> with ganja earth and gps mouse, so i can always see where i am
[07:27] <zqwe> heret1c: are you insist it is ubuntu fault? did you read ubuntu developers explanation? (about notebook manufacturers forcing incorrect config)
[07:28] <alteregoa> i am a geocache player
[07:29] <alteregoa> much better then 3dshooter
[07:34] <heret1c> ubotu dead harddisk
[07:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dead harddisk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:34] <alteregoa> lol
[07:34] <alteregoa> hardisks alive!
[07:34] <alteregoa> call dr, mccoy
[07:34] <heret1c> ubotu crashed harddisk
[07:35] <heret1c> [07:34] <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:35] <heret1c> ubotu /dev/hda /dev/sda
[07:36] <heret1c> hah. it wonæt incriminate itself
[07:38] <zqwe> ubotu hi
[07:38] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[07:38] <alteregoa> ubotu smoke hemp
[07:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smoke hemp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:39] <zqwe> ubotu how old are you?
[07:39] <heret1c> gives a headache.
[07:41] <zqwe>  alteregoa: what is geocache
[07:42] <zqwe> i just downloaded some 3d shooters and 2 3d mmos
[07:42] <zqwe> planeshift and regnum
[07:42] <alteregoa> someone deposit something in a box, and hiding it, the only thing you know is the locator ( geo coordinates )
[07:43] <alteregoa> you can share stuff, if you put your own crap into this box or something
[07:43] <alteregoa> its a adult form of kinderüberraschung
[07:44] <alteregoa> or suprise eggs
[07:44] <alteregoa> easter eggs
[07:44] <zqwe> you mean it is game from REAL WORLD
[07:44] <zqwe> ?
[07:46] <heret1c> bbl
[07:46] <alteregoa> of course
[07:46] <alteregoa> because virtual insanity has gone weird
[07:47] <zqwe> lol real world is a waste
[07:49] <zqwe> my headache killing me
[07:49] <alteregoa> try using alka seltzer with deuterium
[07:50] <ethana2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule  ..three days?
[07:50] <ethana2> I think I'll count on twice as long, to be safe
[07:52] <alteregoa> yeah the beta phasis ends at june 5th
[07:52] <alteregoa> even if they call it final
[07:53] <zqwe> beta starts june 5th, before that its alpha :)
[07:54] <alteregoa> its like wine
[07:59] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> is anyone get java plugin working with firefox3? not the java xcb problem
[07:59] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> there are so many plugin folder i dont know which one to put the link in
[08:00] <sveri> hm, todays update of ghostscript seems to be broken
[08:00] <heret1c> erk
[08:01] <Assid> hey
[08:01]  * heret1c is using a german-language version of Kanotix
[08:01] <Assid> does anyone feel compiz to be a bit messed up
[08:01] <Assid> while opening a window.. it first shows up in black
[08:01] <Assid> the previous compiz (before the xgl bug) didnt do much of that
[08:03] <heret1c> assid> wotcha.
[08:03] <alteregoa> supertux2 doesn't work i have no glue why
[08:04] <heret1c> Kanotix won't see my /dev/hda, either.
[08:04] <bkudria> when i open a chat window in kopete 4:3.5.8-1ubuntu4 (latest in hardy), my *entire X server* crashes.  log here: http://pastebin.ca/909566 .  this happens only with kopete.  anyone see anything like this before?
[08:04] <heret1c> [09:04:36] <-- sveri hat den Server verlassen ("Konversation terminated!")
[08:05] <Assid> heret1c:  ?
[08:05]  * heret1c sniggers
[08:05] <heret1c> german language distro.
[08:05] <alteregoa> yeah plattdeutsch distro
[08:06] <alteregoa> and the munchnerfreiheit distro
[08:06] <alteregoa> skandal im sperrbezirk
[08:06] <zqwe> i missed your jokes, cuz i dont know this language
[08:07] <heret1c> aber doch.
[08:07] <Assid> heret1c: you using compiz enabled? with an nvidia-glx?
[08:07] <heret1c> assid> I'm in Kanotix ATM.
[08:08] <heret1c> Hardy murdered my HD, apparently.
[08:08] <heret1c> raffiniert ist det herrgott, aber boshaft ist er nicht.
[08:09] <alteregoa> yeah herrgott, ich bin atheist amen
[08:10]  * heret1c is quite resentful towards the ubuntu development team. The have received HEAPS of warnings on the ide/scsi/dma bug, and has done nothing about it. Attitude stinks.
[08:12] <jussi01> heret1c: that attitude will get you no where
[08:12] <Assid> yeah just buy a new hard drive ;)
[08:12] <Assid> hahaha
[08:13] <heret1c> jussi> U shall not respond to that. It would fry all reasonable limiys on netiquette. 8-#
[08:13] <DanaG> You may have just been a victim of bad timing, though.
[08:15] <heret1c> Ironic. Ytied doing a backup to DVD which FAILED because of no DMA - then the HD died.
[08:15] <Assid> someone wanna confirm this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/193185
[08:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193185 in compiz "compiz seems slower and the black windows are more apparent" [Undecided,New]
[08:15] <DanaG> Better idea would've been to have stopped using the hard drive.
[08:15] <heret1c> dana> maybepossibleperhaps.
[08:15] <Assid> sup dana
[08:15] <alteregoa> bananas from space
[08:16] <alteregoa> i have to ask yngwie j malmsteens
[08:17] <Assid> err.. nautilis is gone nuts
[08:17] <Assid> now i need to double click on the left side places as welll?
[08:17] <Assid> can anyone cfm trhat
[08:17] <DanaG> http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/helpmechoose/nboptions/batteries.html
[08:19] <zqwe> i have no such thing as Load_Cycle_Count in smart
[08:19] <Assid> buy the one that fits?
[08:22] <zqwe> Assid: 1 click, but i pretty sure yesterday 2 was required :/
[08:22] <Assid> nah
[08:22] <Assid> opposite here
[08:22] <alteregoa> i think the communists sucks
[08:22] <Assid> was 1 click.. now i need 2
[08:23] <zqwe> alteregoa: i think usa sucks
[08:24] <alteregoa> i love USA
[08:24] <alteregoa> china and those other countries stinks
[08:24] <tonyyarusso> !offtopic
[08:24] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:24] <zqwe> lets world war 3 begin
[08:24] <alteregoa> not neccessary, as usual
[08:25] <heret1c> www.projectcamelot.net
[08:26]  * heret1c observes, loosing data when alphatesting is expected. loosing hardware is not.
[08:28] <Assid> brb
[08:29]  * DanaG is at 77514 load cycles after 1076 hours.
[08:29] <bkudria> when i open a chat window in kopete 4:3.5.8-1ubuntu4 (latest in hardy), my *entire X server* crashes.  log here: http://pastebin.ca/909566 .  this happens only with kopete.  anyone see anything like this before?
[08:29] <zqwe> bkudria: lauchpad.net
[08:30] <zqwe> bkudria: launchpad.net
[08:30] <bkudria> zqwe: file a bug? ok :)
[08:30] <DanaG> Hitachi HTS722020K9SA00
[08:31] <zqwe> bkudria: yeah it seems much of "bugreports" here is missed, cuz irc is not supposed for buf reporting
[08:31] <bkudria> zqwe: fair enough, i apologize
[08:32] <jussi01> !bug
[08:32] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[08:32] <zqwe> bkudria: no need for apologize, i prefer irc myself :)
[08:41] <zqwe> ***DanaG is at 77514 load cycles after 1076 hours.  ---- did you disabled APM?
[08:42] <zqwe> or you just waiting for your hdd death?
[08:43] <DanaG> Yeah, I set it to disable.
[08:43] <DanaG> Or rather, I set it to 193 when on battery.
[08:43] <DanaG> I also changed my journal commit time to 15 minutes instead of 5 seconds.
[08:47] <heret1c> zqwe> Think not the load cycle defaults should be a bit more sensibe? It's hardly settings the casusal user would fiddle with, never mind know about.
[08:48] <BUGabundo> hi there
[08:48]  * heret1c tips hat at bugabundo
[08:49] <BUGabundo> can someone please test bug #193195 ?
[08:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193195 in ubuntu "[hard] trickle upload limit blocks wget" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193195
[08:49] <BUGabundo> hi heret1c!
[08:50] <zqwe> heret1c: its hdds and notebook manufacturers to make sure devices preconfigured correctly, and from what ubuntu devs said, their fault becouse its not
[08:51] <zqwe> manufacturers responsibility
[08:51] <heret1c> 2376.804000] attempt to access beyond end of device
[08:51] <heret1c> [ 2376.804000] sr0: rw=0, want=836368, limit=813952
[08:51] <heret1c> [ 2376.804000] printk: 1348 messages suppressed.
[08:52] <heret1c> kanotic prodding the corpse of my hd.
[08:53] <heret1c>      x
[08:53] <heret1c> (dmesg)
[08:57] <Assid> Amaranth: you around?
[08:59] <sveri> BUGabundo: ccol can you control bandwith of other downloaders too? like kget or the firefox downloader?
[09:00] <BUGabundo> if you use trickled (the daemon) it should be possible, sveri
[09:01] <BUGabundo> I've used it successulfy a few times to prevent damage on VOIP
[09:01] <BUGabundo> but its seems that the upload limit is borked!
[09:01] <BUGabundo> can you please give it a test with any tool?
[09:01] <sveri> not bad :-)
[09:01] <sveri> yea, i even did
[09:01] <sveri> i got the same problems here
[09:02] <BUGabundo> please confirm it on LP
[09:02] <sveri> i am about to
[09:03] <BUGabundo> the strangest thing is that if I just run wget, I'll get many more upload acknolegs and bw usage
[09:03] <BUGabundo> if I do a wget with trickle and a download limit of the same bw I have, I use much lower upload bw
[09:05] <sveri> so, it is confirmed
[09:05] <BUGabundo> I forgot to put the package
[09:05] <BUGabundo> editing.... that's a LP usability prob.!!
[09:06] <BUGabundo> one doesn't see the package field if using search for similar probs
[09:06] <sveri> yea, i wonder why that is not possible, a long time i thought i was to stupid to find that option, but there simply is none :(
[09:07] <BUGabundo> its there!
[09:07] <BUGabundo> but FF just scroll to much down
[09:07] <BUGabundo> and one doesn't see the package field!
[09:07] <BUGabundo> in the past I've opened a bug agains LP about that...
[09:08] <sveri> hehe
[09:11] <BUGabundo> getting OOPS while addin the package!! hummm LP really needs to improve!
[09:11] <BUGabundo> sveri: you wrote the you limited the upload rate for 1000K
[09:12] <BUGabundo> and that wget used that limit!
[09:12] <BUGabundo> that's the intended beahiviour! wight?
[09:12] <BUGabundo> *right?
[09:12] <sveri> no, i am sveri on launchpad
[09:14] <Assid> err i got a major suggestion for the package managers
[09:15] <BUGabundo> sorry sveri... I'm not understanding you
[09:15] <BUGabundo> lets try again, ok»
[09:15] <BUGabundo> ?
[09:15] <sveri> ok,no problem :-) i am not a native english speaker or writer ;-)
[09:15] <BUGabundo> why did you set a download limit speed on that trickle test?
[09:15] <BUGabundo> the idea was to test the upload limit
[09:16] <sveri> just to show that it works corret when adding the -d option
[09:16] <sveri> it just was an amendment
[09:16] <BUGabundo> but since you set also a download limit, and said that you manage to obtain it, it doesn't prove my point
[09:16] <sveri> to the problem
[09:16] <heret1c> h'm. qtparted can't see my hd.
[09:17] <sveri> but i wrote above that i reproduced the same behavior when only using the -u option, maybe its not clear enough?
[09:17] <BUGabundo> can you please just test it with the upload limit, sveri and see if it happens
[09:17] <Assid> i think whoever packages debs that need kernel modules.. should have a script that needs to be run by every updated kernel
[09:17] <sveri> BUGabundo: like i said, i did that, and stated it
[09:17] <BUGabundo> ahh, so the results on the lp are from another test?
[09:17] <sveri> BUGabundo: should i add another comment to make it clear?
[09:18] <BUGabundo> I guess... because I miss understood it
[09:18] <BUGabundo> if you don't mind, that is...
[09:18] <BUGabundo> lolol
[09:18] <sveri> BUGabundo: hehe, ok, wait a moment
[09:18] <BUGabundo> don't want to give you any extra work.
[09:18] <sveri> no problem
[09:19] <BUGabundo> thanks so much
[09:19] <BUGabundo> I seem to keep find probs with gnu tools
[09:20] <BUGabundo> in the past I've already reported two bugs against wget
[09:20] <sveri> BUGabundo: ok, i added another comment
[09:21] <sveri> shit, i want an edit function
[09:22] <zqwe> BUGabundo: its not clear enough why you trying to set upload limit while downloading with wget
[09:22] <DanaG> I do too, even if the time limit is only, say, 15 minutes.
[09:23] <sveri> zqwe: i dont see why he sould justify for using the -u option
[09:25] <BUGabundo> zqwe: as I mention on a 2nd post, is because of the use of VOIP here on the company
[09:25] <BUGabundo> if I set no limit, it would use 25KB/s or more of upload bw
[09:25] <BUGabundo> and that would ruin our VOIP calls.
[09:25] <DanaG> Why would wgetting use upload?
[09:25] <BUGabundo> I'm not
[09:26] <BUGabundo> I'm using it for download
[09:26] <DanaG> And why not use QoS on switches and stuff to prioritize VOIP?
[09:26] <BUGabundo> it already happens
[09:26] <sveri> DanaG: *hrhr thats not the question
[09:26] <BUGabundo> but since I can't get ubuntu to sign on an Windows Server AD
[09:26] <sveri> DanaG: lp.net is about reporting a bug, and that definitely is a *bug*
[09:26] <BUGabundo> I'm rirectly connected to the router
[09:26] <BUGabundo> *directly
[09:27] <DanaG> aah, I see... I'm reading just the end of a long conversation.
[09:27] <DanaG> Nevermind.
[09:27] <BUGabundo> no prob DanaG
[09:27] <BUGabundo> can you please give it a test?
[09:27] <BUGabundo> with any tool that you like, not just wget
[09:28] <BUGabundo> I've even tried using it to limit my smtp usage in the past, and it also was not obbeyd!
[09:28] <zqwe> like curl
[09:29] <BUGabundo> anyone else besides sveri as this results?
[09:29] <BUGabundo> of course it should be adapted to your BW profile and limits.
[09:29] <sveri> BUGabundo: maybe you could correct the header? you wrote hard instead of hardy
[09:30] <Raspberry> is python central broken?
[09:30] <Raspberry> :P
[09:31] <BUGabundo> lolo
[09:31] <BUGabundo> typpo
[09:31] <henkjan> Raspberry: see topic
[09:34] <Raspberry> i' mjoking
[09:35] <BUGabundo> sveri: subject corrected and new comment posted, in reply to yours!
[09:42] <fdsajfdjk> What kernel does Hardy use?
[09:42] <henkjan> fdsajfdjk: 2.6.24-8-generic atm
[09:42] <BUGabundo> Linux rhino 2.6.24-8-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 14 20:40:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:43] <Assid> Linux intelquad 2.6.24-8-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 14 20:40:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:43] <fdsajfdjk> Is there any way to get 2.6.24 on gutsy without compiling it myself?
[09:43] <Assid> find backports
[09:43] <fdsajfdjk> how do i find backports? if i could get my kernel to be 2.6.24 without using hardy i would be so dang happy
[09:44] <Assid> why do you need 2.6.24 ?
[09:44] <fdsajfdjk> nvidia 169.09 driver
[09:44] <fdsajfdjk> wont work on 2.6.22
[09:45] <fdsajfdjk> and 100.xx driver was made before my card, so the 3d rendering is surely not optimized
[09:45] <BUGabundo> fdsajfdjk: you can put the hardy source, update the kernel, and reverse the sourses to gutsy
[09:45] <Assid> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4301886
[09:45] <fdsajfdjk> ohhh thats a GREAT idea
[09:45] <Assid> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/source/linux-backports-modules-2.6.24
[09:46] <fdsajfdjk> BUG do you know what the hardy source (its a repository right)?
[09:47] <Raspberry> brrr -11F here
[09:47] <Assid> okay i need to finish this code set this week
[09:47] <Assid> anyhow!
[09:47] <Assid> bbiab
[09:48] <fdsajfdjk> is there a backports.deb file somewhere?
[09:49] <zqwe> fdsajfdjk: hardy uses release candidate kernel it seems, better compile 2.6.24.2, it was easy with manual i found
[09:49] <BUGabundo> yes I know fdsajfdjk!
[09:50] <BUGabundo> but why do you ask? don't you think you can use it?
[09:50] <fdsajfdjk> ok if its easy enough ill give it a shot
[09:50] <fdsajfdjk> i can follow a howto pretty good lol
[09:51] <zqwe> fdsajfdjk: plus, 169.09 driver from nvidia have problems compiling for RC hardy kernel, so you required to use hardy deb for nvidia driver too
[09:51] <BUGabundo> I think it would be pretty much easyer to just set the hardy reps, fdsajfdjk
[09:52] <zqwe> btw why nvidia driver not work with 2.6.22? :/
[09:52] <fdsajfdjk> ok where do i get the hardy reps?
[09:52] <mrtimdog> fdsajfdjk: You say you can't use a 2.6.22 kernel and need a 2.6.24 kernel, hardy uses a 2.6.24-8 kernel, which surely *is* a 2.6.24 kernel. I'm confused at to what you're actually after!?
[09:53] <fdsajfdjk> ill put those in and do a full upgrade
[09:53] <fdsajfdjk> im not on hardy
[09:53] <mrtimdog> ok
[09:53] <zqwe> mrtimdog: 2.6.24-8 is RC for 2.6.24 kernel
[09:53] <fdsajfdjk> im after a 2.6.24 on gutsy
[09:54] <mrtimdog> Ignore me then! ;)
[09:54] <BUGabundo> I don't have to, fdsajfdjk
[09:54] <BUGabundo> you can just update the packages YOU want
[09:54] <zqwe>  fdsajfdjk: i'm pretty sure 169.09 work with gutsy, i tested it
[09:54] <zqwe> with 22 kernel
[09:54] <BUGabundo> to be sure download the LIVE CD and test it
[09:55] <fdsajfdjk> can you not me zqwe, it kills x, gets me stuck in generic driver
[09:56] <zqwe> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.09/README/chapter-02.html    Min Requirement  Linux kernel 2.4.7
[09:57] <fdsajfdjk> o shizzle it does say it
[09:58] <zqwe> you may have a better way with fixing your error, what Xorg.0.log says?
[09:59] <zqwe> but i agree, sometimes i have a problem with installing nvidia driver too, 169.07 killed my X, i have to reinstall ubuntu, 169.09 installed ok
[09:59] <fdsajfdjk> hmm i have a partimage backup lol
[09:59] <fdsajfdjk> i restore that thing almost daily sometimes
[10:01] <fdsajfdjk> hmm if i go on the nvidia website, there is no linux driver at all for the 8400M GS
[10:01] <fdsajfdjk> there is for the 8400 gs, but not 8400M
[10:01] <zqwe> http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html
[10:01] <zqwe> GeForce 8600M GS 0x0425
[10:01] <zqwe> oops
[10:01] <ionstorm> dude
[10:01] <zqwe> GeForce 8400M GS 0x0427
[10:01] <ionstorm> wtf is up with glx-new
[10:02] <ionstorm> wont even run
[10:02] <fdsajfdjk> glx-new works for me
[10:02] <ionstorm> latest kernel?
[10:02] <fdsajfdjk> you're right zq, i couldn't find it in the select list, but there it is on that list
[10:05] <enyc> fdsajfdjk: coo you look like a qwerty user
[10:05] <slytherin> is anyone here using any 'HDCP Ready' card with Ubuntu?
[10:05]  * enyc should log on as something like ihtiunetihtu ;-)
[10:05] <fdsajfdjk> most english people are
[10:05] <enyc> because im not a qwerty user ;-)
[10:06] <fdsajfdjk> youre a backlog reader
[10:06] <fdsajfdjk> hows dvorak working for you
[10:07] <enyc> fdsajfdjk: bautifully ;-) I can type both nicely ;-) but this is a lot easier for me .
[10:08] <enyc> fdsajfdjk: c jab yfl. ',.pyf crr
[10:08] <enyc> fdsajfdjk: (i can type qwerty too)
[10:08] <enyc> hrrm errors in that but you get the idea ;-)   anyway i havent played with ubuntu hardy !!!
[10:19] <Oli```> slytherin: is a nvidia 8800 hdcp ready? I thought it was, so if so, then yes. I am.
[10:20] <Oli```> But I'm not using it with a "trusted" display
[10:20] <slytherin> Oli```: That si what I wanted to know. So that means you get a reduced resolution right?
[10:20] <zqwe> lol you missed a point of hdcp
[10:21] <Oli```> slytherin: that only applies for media that demands a "secure" route
[10:21] <slytherin> zqwe: Can you please explain it?
[10:21] <zqwe> slytherin: you should get normal resolution with linux desktop
[10:22] <zqwe> and worry only if you play blu ray, but i dont know if blu ray players for linux even exist
[10:22] <slytherin> Oli```: zqwe: My friend is planning to buy an nvidia 8800 card or ATI 3800. And he plans to install Hardy when it is released. So I wanted to confirm if he will get more than 1024x768 HD on his TV attached to PC.
[10:22] <Oli```> slytherin: I can. On certain types of media (AACS protected) providers can demand that the equipment is secure for full res playpack and if not, it defaults to a lower resolution. It has *nothing* to do with the operating system's resolution as that doesn't demand a trusted system
[10:23] <Oli```> slytherin: if his tv supports it, sure
[10:23] <slytherin> Oli```: But what happens when you rip the AACS protected media to hard disk?
[10:23] <Oli```> slytherin: you bypass all the protection, removing it and its demands. you get full-res playback
[10:24] <slytherin> Oli```: That is a good one. Thanks. :-D
[10:26] <sveri> BUGabundo: i looked into the source of trickle, and the problem is, donwlimit is hardcoded to 10 k/s and if its not set via the command call it remains at 10 k/s
[10:27] <zqwe>  Oli```: btw is HDCP encryption required for running linux on PS3?
[10:28] <Oli```> zqwe: I doubt it but I could be wrong... It is a customised graphics chipset after all
[10:31] <slytherin> One mroe question. Does ATI 3800 have any linux drivers at all (open source or not)
[10:32] <zqwe> slytherin: no one will recommend you to buy ATI for use in linux
[10:32] <zqwe> even if they claim thay have a "driver" for it
[10:32] <slytherin> zqwe: Considering that they now have open source drivers, there is at least a chance that drivers will improve
[10:33] <zqwe> yeah and they opened the specs... just wait a few years for open source driver to be able to run quake 3
[10:39] <Infecto> hello
[10:39] <Infecto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/192382
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192382 in alsa-driver "alsamixer broken in hardy - intel hda" [Undecided,New]
[10:39] <Infecto> i try to install alsa from source
[10:39] <Infecto> and didnt help
[10:39] <Infecto> some issue?
[10:41] <Infecto> issue :) bad word, how to resolve the problem and what can be wrong with it?
[10:45] <Oli```> slytherin: I've got to agree with zqwe. AMD/ATI are still miles behind in getting a decent linux driver to market.
[10:47] <slytherin> Oli```: Ok. I have conveyed the info to my friend. I am trying to be kind of free software purist :-P so I will stay with ATI.
[10:50] <zqwe> actually i found that "radeon" open source driver can run 3D on OLD cards, but new radeonhd driver not support 3D at all yet... and there is new "noveau" or something open source driver for nvidia, which is demonstrated on running quake 3 on some cards
[10:52] <zqwe> "radeon" claim full 3D support for cards like 7000-9200, and even not for 9500, and 9500 is really old itself...
[10:53] <zqwe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[10:55] <zqwe> for a software purist its probably better go with intel, they opened their driver, and... open source driver for real video cards will always be years behind closed sourced
[10:56] <zqwe> because of complexity of video hardware
[11:04] <qzio> anyone using synergy under ubuntu/hardy?
[11:04] <qzio> anywas, im using it at work... friday it was all good, but now it laggs _alot_
[11:28] <zqwe> i wondering how fast nvidia will be able to suppot 9600 GT for linux which is releasing this week... since they still have problems supporting 8800 in linux
[11:29] <Oli```> is it wrong that I see that model number and think of the old (well old enough) ATI cards?
[11:29] <sveri> zqwe: 8800 gts works great under linux, i have it running one year without problems
[11:30] <Oli```> yeah my 8800 was no hassle way back when I got it
[11:34] <zqwe> well i read about problems on a forums, and from recent talk in #ubuntu they still have no driver for new 8800
[11:35] <zqwe> http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html no 8800 GT mentioned
[11:36] <zqwe> good it run ok for you
[11:36] <zqwe> it took more than a year for nvidia to release fully featured driver for 7900 GTX for WINDOWS
[11:37] <zqwe> it was a pain not having fixed aspect ratio working correclt
[11:37] <zqwe> y
[11:47] <zqwe> mmm no, they added support for 8800 GT and GTS 512 in in 169.07... which was very buggy for me... better say 169.09
[11:47] <zqwe> 169.07 Fixed stability problems with some GeForce 8 series GPUs.
[11:47] <Unksi> Oli```: i still have one 9600 in my desktop :P so no, its not that old
[11:47] <Unksi> they were good cards few years ago
[11:48] <Unksi> and are still, though they don't compare to current cards
[11:48] <zqwe> i owned 9600
[11:48] <zqwe> ati
[11:50] <zqwe> was very happy then i got it, but it was never high end card
[11:50] <zqwe> when
[11:50] <zqwe> *never was
[11:59] <heret1c> awejf
[12:00] <heret1c> nniab
[12:09] <LimCore> is anyone doing something about the bug -  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/179230    (which appear to be also in hardy)?
[12:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179230 in openoffice.org "problems with set and show variable. after change, the variables is showed displayed incorrectly (blank field)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:13] <Oli```> Unksi: I had a 9800XT. That was superb - but I've had a x800XT and my nvidia 8800 since then and I don't upgrade my graphics *that* often
[12:14] <Unksi> yea thats the original one on that comp as well... if its gonna be upgraded, then the whole machine will get as well
[12:18] <verb3k> Who can help me report a bug in Xorg ?
[12:19] <BUGabundo> thanks sveri
[12:19] <BUGabundo> so if I set -you 8 and -d 1024 it should work?
[12:19] <loa> I have an error on last update, with python-apt
[12:19] <loa> how i can fix it
[12:20] <loa> python-apt, update-manager, update-manager-core
[12:20] <Oli```> Does anybody have...
[12:20] <loa> all with same error
[12:20] <Oli```> oh yeah, loa does =) I was just about to ask about that =)
[12:20] <loa> =/
[12:20] <BUGabundo> loa: look at the topic
[12:21] <BUGabundo> bug 192992
[12:21] <rsk> #192992
[12:21] <loa> =)
[12:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192992 in python-central "[hardy] pycentral crashed with ValueError in parse_versions()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192992
[12:21] <Oli```> woo
[12:21] <loa> thanks
[12:21] <Oli```> yeah thanks
[12:22] <sveri> BUGabundo: yes, thats how i understand it
[12:22] <BUGabundo> sveri: I tried but it didn't work
[12:22] <BUGabundo> ~$ trickle -d 2048 -u4 wget -c http://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-releases/gutsy/ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
[12:22] <BUGabundo> will use 22KB/s of upload
[12:22] <BUGabundo> brb, skype probs on a user PC. brb
[12:23] <sveri> BUGabundo: here it works
[12:24] <BUGabundo> do try this : ~$ trickle -d 2048 -u4 wget -c http://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-releases/gutsy/ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
[12:24] <sveri> BUGabundo: oh sry, i cant see how much upload it uses
[12:24] <BUGabundo> and see with nethogs if it limits
[12:24] <heret1c> phew
 i need update python?
[12:25] <loa> or what
[12:25] <loa> there are no solution
[12:25] <slytherin> verb3k: what bug?
[12:25] <sveri> BUGabundo: ah, cool tool, and no, it doesnt work, it uses constant around 36k/s
[12:26] <BUGabundo> that's no bad... still no 4KB/s
[12:26] <verb3k> slytherin, not sure if it's in xorg or nvidia, but acceleration does not work for me after installing the driver from Restricted Drivers Manager
[12:26] <BUGabundo> loa:  reverse to old version then using synaptic
[12:26] <sveri> BUGabundo: yes, thats not how it should be
[12:26] <slytherin> verb3k: Don't have nvidia card, so can't help you there.
[12:26] <BUGabundo> brb
[12:26] <verb3k> slytherin, I see, thanks for your time
[12:32] <heret1c> bugabundo> r u formally afiliated with hardy development?
[12:36] <loa> hmm, who use firefox 3 for web develop
[12:36] <loa> is there extiction for javascript debug
[12:37] <heret1c> ubotu spin cycle
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spin cycle - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <heret1c> ubotu pio ide dma
[12:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pio ide dma - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <erudified> Hey all! Wondering if there's a fix in the works for the python-apt upgrade issue? Great work by the way ;)
[12:40] <erudified> (No, it's not a show-stopper, I don't particularly miss any combination of update-manager, command-not-found, etc., I'm just curious ;)
[12:40] <loa> yes
[12:40] <loa> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12080601/packages.tar.bz2
[12:41] <loa> install this
[12:41] <erudified> oh, awesome, thank you!
[12:43] <erudified> That was the only minor niggle moving up from 7.10
[12:43] <erudified> I consider that pretty good for a pre-release!
[12:43] <loa> yeh
[12:43] <Pici> Its an alpha still.
[12:44] <heret1c>    "potentially hd-frying
[12:44] <erudified> Very pleasantly surprised by the new ATI drivers
[12:44] <erudified> Last I tried them, it was pure fail
[12:45] <erudified> Like, "uhhh we can't give you native resolution. And, uhm.... compiz will only work at 15fps. And, just in case you thought of trying XGL instead of AIGLX, it's broken by some obscure gtk setuid issue. Also, I hate you."
[12:45] <picard_pwns_kirk> erudified: lol
[12:46] <cwillu> erudified, I hate you
[12:46] <c1|freaky> im having problems to upgrade with the following error: dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/update-manager-core_1%3a0.87.8_i386.deb (--unpack): which means
[12:47] <cwillu> c1|freaky, ya, I've got the same
[12:47] <erudified> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12080601/packages.tar.bz2
[12:47] <erudified> BAM!
[12:49]  * heret1c sez "wake me when that bloody ide/sda/dma bug has been fixed."
[12:57] <BUGabundo> heret1c: just a casual user/tester
[12:57] <BUGabundo> loa: the one and only: firebug
[12:57] <heret1c> bugabundo> r u formally affiliated with hardy development?
[12:58] <BUGabundo> heret1c: just a casual user/tester
[12:58] <heret1c> ah
[12:58]  * heret1c puts his bazookiod 3000 in rest mode
[12:59] <heret1c> must buy a new hd.
[13:07] <erudified> Yep, very impressive!
[13:08] <erudified> Congrats again, this looks to be another great release
[13:11] <heret1c> Oooo. google:hesus chrishna - and b amazed.
[13:11] <heret1c>  /offtopic
[13:11] <Pici> !offtopic
[13:11] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[13:11]  * heret1c sneers at a certain bot
[13:12] <slytherin> heret1c: what bug are you talking about? Is it reported anywhere?
[13:13] <heret1c> slytherin> the bug which causes an ide disk to be identified as scsi, which makes hdparm -d1 impossible, which forces pio-mode, which fried my hd - that bug.
[13:14] <Pici> heret1c: Is there a bug #?
[13:15] <heret1c> pici> my hd died. it's gine to meet its maker.
[13:15] <cwillu> heret1c, forcing pio-mode seems like the bug, ide's have been sd*'d in the mainline kernel for some time now
[13:15] <Pici> heret1c: You are referring to a 'bug' its not going to get fixed if the developers don't know about.
[13:16]  * heret1c is on a 6.11 live-cd atm
[13:16] <heret1c> sorry, that's 7.11
[13:16] <Pici> Theres no 7.11.
[13:16]  * heret1c blinks
[13:16] <cwillu> 7.10 I presume?
[13:17] <heret1c> must be 6.11, then. can't open tray to check while running.
[13:17] <heret1c> cwillu> possibly, yes.
[13:17] <Pici> lsb_release -a
[13:18] <cwillu> 6.06, 7.04, 7.10, 8.04?
[13:18] <heret1c> it's gutsy.
[13:19] <cwillu> -7.10
[13:19] <cwillu> annnnyways
[13:19] <heret1c> qtparted won't spot the hd. must be toast.
[13:20] <heret1c> it's a dell box. should think they were better supported.
[13:20] <Pici> Does your bios see it?
[13:21] <cwillu> heret1c, what does sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda say?
[13:21] <heret1c> pici> van't access bios.
[13:21] <Pici> heret1c: Why not?
[13:22] <heret1c> /dev/sda:
[13:22] <heret1c>  HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument
[13:22] <heret1c> pici> don't have pwd for it.
[13:22] <cwillu> heret1c, or whatever the device is
[13:23] <cwillu> heret1c, /dev/sd<tab> or hd<tab>
[13:24] <heret1c> cwillu> it's not listed on #mount
[13:24] <cwillu> heret1c, is it listed in /dev/?
[13:24] <cwillu> sda/b/c/d, or hda/b/c/d
[13:24]  * heret1c looks
[13:25] <heret1c> no.
[13:25] <heret1c> nor in fstab/mtab.
[13:26] <heret1c> /dev/sda:
[13:26] <heret1c>  HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument
[13:26] <heret1c> erk
[13:26] <cwillu> heret1c, k, check the /var/log/{dmesg/syslog/kern.log} for related messages
[13:26] <cwillu> heret1c, doesn't look like the kernel is seeing the drive at all
[13:27] <cwillu> (it'd need to show up in /dev/ before anything related to hdparm, mount, mtab, etc. will work)
[13:28] <heret1c> yesh.
[13:30] <heret1c> there are lots of "
[13:30] <heret1c> 135.064000] bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode4.fw" not available o
[13:30] <heret1c> r load failed.
[13:31] <heret1c> " -'s.
[13:31] <cwillu> that's wireless
[13:31] <cwillu> have a broadcom card?
[13:31] <nanonyme> meh, brcm43xx is deprecated
[13:31] <nanonyme> tried b43?
[13:31] <heret1c> yeah, internal. don't use it. have an external ralink-based wifi stick.
[13:32] <cwillu> newer version of b43+fwcutter works great for a bunch of cards that I've otherwise had no success with without ndiswrapper
[13:32] <nanonyme> b43 is slowly getting a wider support though
[13:32] <heret1c> current setup works fine, qed.
[13:32] <cwillu> :p
[13:32] <nanonyme> unfortunately too slowly for Hardy to actually benefit much of it though
[13:33]  * heret1c peruses his dmesg file
[13:33] <nanonyme> the whole broadcom situation might be fairly different in a year from now :)
[13:33] <cwillu> nanonyme, actually, a slightly newer fwcutter's been making hardy work perfectly for me (as far as wireless finickery tweaks go, it's one of the easier tweaks)
[13:33] <cwillu> heret1c, pastebin the logs if you want
[13:35] <heret1c> OK
[13:35] <heret1c> ubotu pastebin
[13:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[13:36] <nanonyme> cwillu, i'm personally waiting for b43 and AP mode functionality to go stable
[13:36] <nanonyme> will allow me to put 2.6 kernel on my firewall router
[13:37] <heret1c> xvillu> it's at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56617/
[13:41] <heret1c> can't see any referents to a hd ay all.
[13:41] <cwillu> ata1: device not ready (errno=-16), forcing hardreset
[13:41] <cwillu> ata1: port is slow to respond, please be patient (Status 0x80)
[13:41] <cwillu> ata1: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x000101f0 ctl 0x000103f6 bmdma 0x000
[13:41] <cwillu> 1bfa0 irq 14
[13:41] <cwillu> (in reverse order)
[13:42] <heret1c> ah.
[13:42] <cwillu> how big is the drive?
[13:42] <cwillu> mmm
[13:43] <cwillu> okay, sda, if it ever showed up, was a thumb drive of some description;  doesn't look like the physical drive ever responded
[13:43] <qzio> anyone knows when python-apt will be fixed?
[13:44] <heret1c> you're right.
[13:44] <heret1c> it's in Harddisk Heaven.
[13:44] <cwillu> you could try booting with lapic, and maybe try unplugging the computer for a couple hours (power, network, powered usb hubs, etc)
[13:44] <cwillu> if it's electrical, that might bring it back long enough to recover any data you need
[13:45] <heret1c> think it'd work? it made some awful sounds.
[13:45] <cwillu> heh
[13:45] <cwillu> try freezing the drive for a couple hours
[13:45] <heret1c> put lappy in fridge? 8)
[13:45] <cwillu> lappy?
[13:45] <cwillu> ouch
[13:46] <heret1c> it'r a dell latitude D500.
[13:46] <cwillu> you really just want the drive in the freezer, in a static bag sealed so you don't get frost on it
[13:46] <cwillu> then when it's nice and frozen, stick it back in the laptop, fire it up
[13:46] <dmakalsky> Hi, I was wondering if it's possible to update evolution from 2.12 in gutsy to the one in hardy 2.21
[13:46] <dmakalsky> or do I need to update everything?
[13:46] <cwillu> dmakalsky, check gutsy-backports
[13:47] <cwillu> !backports
[13:47] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[13:47] <cwillu> heret1c, no guarentees on that though, and it certainly won't make it useable for day to day
[13:48] <cwillu> heret1c, there's a package smartctl, which lets you see all sorts of neat info the drive keeps on hand (only works if the drive is talking to the computer though)
[13:49] <heret1c> cwillu> I was in the process of making a backup right nefore it died. k3b insisted on dma for the (external) dvd burner, which I couldn't turn on. k3b failed after 10% - then the hd died.
[13:51] <cwillu> heret1c, I have an external 500gb usb drive that I do a backup to every night;  harddrives aren't reliable, and laptops are even worse.  not that it helps in your current state though :/
[13:51] <cwillu> heret1c, try leaving it off for a while, you might get lucky
[13:51] <cwillu> heret1c, do you have another machine on the network?
[13:52] <heret1c> ni.
[13:52] <cwillu> :/
[13:53] <heret1c> have an ancient compaq armada. have no way of connecting the two.
[13:53] <cwillu> you can pipe the device directly over the network to another machine if it comes up, but that doesn't help you if you don't have another machine
[13:53] <heret1c> h'm. u may have a peek trogh rdesktop, if it works.
[13:54] <heret1c>  /is any point.
[13:54] <cwillu> heret1c, install x11vnc, and then x11vnc -connect cwillu.com -nopw
[13:55] <cwillu> I've got a vncviewer -listen running
[13:55] <heret1c> can't find package.
[13:56] <cwillu> bah, probably in universe
[13:56] <heret1c> it may not be in my (cd) sources.list.
[13:56] <cwillu> you can enable it though
[13:57] <heret1c> adept?
[13:58] <cwillu> however you want
[13:58] <heret1c> foundit
[13:59] <heret1c> yesh
[14:01] <heret1c> iit's installing.
[14:02] <cwillu> k
[14:03] <heret1c> x11vnc -connect cwillu.com -nopw ...
[14:04] <heret1c> what then?
[14:04] <cwillu> heh, showed up on a different workspace just as I was switching away from it
[14:05] <cwillu> you've got the thumb drive plugged in right now?
[14:05] <heret1c> yeah.
[14:11] <cwillu> :/
[14:11] <heret1c> toast?
[14:11] <cwillu> I _think_ that this tree is just the ide interface
[14:12] <heret1c> controller?
[14:12] <cwillu> but certainly the kernel thinks it's toast (the drive)
[14:12]  * heret1c nods
[14:14] <cwillu> I'm almost tempted to try to rmmod the ide junk and re modprobe it
[14:14] <cwillu> but that'd disconnect me for sure (have to do it from single user mode, ro
[14:15] <cwillu> it's the same effect as rebooting, really
[14:15] <heret1c> b my guest.
[14:15]  * cwillu 's thinking out loud more than anything :p
[14:16] <cwillu> have you rebooted at all since it stopped working at all?
[14:16] <heret1c> yes.
[14:16] <cwillu> several times?
[14:16] <heret1c> ran kanotix a bit.
[14:16] <cwillu> no luck there I presume?
[14:16] <heret1c> 2-3
[14:16] <heret1c> spot on.
[14:17]  * cwillu grimaces
[14:17] <cwillu> anything irreplacable?
[14:17] <heret1c> smells fubar.
[14:17] <heret1c> not really.
[14:18] <heret1c> nothing a few hrs amuling can't fix.
[14:18] <cwillu> I've got nothing left but voodoo and data-recovery services left to recommend :p
[14:18]  * heret1c brings out his dried herbs, etc
[14:18] <cwillu> the fact that it wasn't going into udma modes was probably the drive refusing to on 'I'm about to die' grounds
[14:18] <cwillu> got a rubber chicken?
[14:19] <heret1c> can order one.
[14:20] <heret1c> it refused dma long before that.
[14:20] <heret1c> or rather, hdparm did.
[14:20] <cwillu> a drive can start giving smart drive errors years before it finally croaks
[14:20] <heret1c> thought it were a scsi drive.
[14:20] <cwillu> that's normal
[14:21] <cwillu> mainline kernel started using the scsi subsystem for ide drives a year or two ago
[14:21] <cwillu> since edgy at least
[14:21] <cwillu> 2.6.18 I think?
[14:21] <heret1c> ha. yes. fma workef in fapper.
[14:21] <heret1c> ïsh
[14:22] <cwillu> hdparm -d isn't the magic incanctation anymore, but on the other hand, it shouldn't be necessary in the vast majority of cases anymore either
[14:22] <heret1c> must have some music...
[14:25] <heret1c> is it at allpossible to install to dvd rw?
[14:25]  * cwillu recommends http://jwz.livejournal.com/842153.html
[14:25] <cwillu> heret1c, you can install to a thumbdrive I know
[14:25] <cwillu> or an sdcard if the laptop has a reader
[14:26] <heret1c> a 4gb pendrive is 4 beers these days.
[14:30] <qzio> hai, jockey-gtk/jockey-common seems to be broken? or is it just my machine?
[14:37] <heret1c> ah - music :-)
[14:37] <heret1c> apt-get install xmms tunapie didit
[14:50] <Laney> Anyone else seeing gconf schema errors?
[14:50] <Laney> (when upgrading)
[15:06] <theholyduck> well THAT was freaky..
[15:06] <theholyduck> TOP suddenly started usiing 100% of my cpu
[15:07] <qzio> jockey-common seems broken for me.. doing a regular dist-upgrade .. >_<
[15:07] <theholyduck> when i was trying to diagnose what was using all my cpu. and killed those apps. top suddenly started using all my cpu instead
[15:07] <qzio> python-central bug seems to be fixed?
[15:11] <Laser87> Hi!
[15:12] <pro-rsoft> hi
[15:12] <pro-rsoft> is there a quick 'n dirty way to upgrade to the new version?
[15:12] <pro-rsoft> i mean to the alpha?
[15:12] <ysth1> so, months ago when I first upgraded to Hardy, my laptop shut down in the middle of the upgrade.  for whatever reason, the xorg.conf file was screwed up thereafter, and when I rebuilt it I had no touchpad scrolling support.  can someone with a touchpad put their xorg.conf somewhere for me to compare?
[15:12] <valberg> hey
[15:13] <Sebastian> Is http://phpfi.com/297449 a known issue?
[15:13] <valberg> i've been trying to upgrade to hardy heron and i've posted this bugreport: https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/193300
[15:13] <ccooke> ysth1: I don't think that's configured in Hardy at all, currently
[15:13] <valberg> it failes when installing language-selector-common
[15:13] <ccooke> ysth1: wasn't automatically enabled on my system, certainly
[15:14] <ysth1> ah.  I was hoping that was it for a while.  thanks, anyway
[15:14] <pro-rsoft> what's the quick way to update from gutsy to hardy alpha?
[15:14] <ysth1> ccooke: did you get it working some other way?
[15:15] <ccooke> ysth1: I haven't bothered, yet
[15:15] <pro-rsoft> nvm, found it using "update-manager -d
[15:15] <ysth1> valberg: don't have permission to see that bug
[15:18] <valberg> ysth1, hmm... why ? i haven't made it hidden or anything
[15:18] <valberg> i checked that the maintainer of the package should see it,,, something about security issue
[15:20] <ysth1> that would be it, presumably
[15:20] <ysth1> something like *only* the maintainer should see it
[15:20] <valberg> ahh
[15:22] <xst> Are there any plans on fixing the broken display config in Kubuntu hardy (#173768)? The bug has persisted since alpha 1 even though one could argue that screen configuration is especially important to test in hardy with the conversion to xorg7.3. Whats the plan with this bug?
[15:22] <valberg> ysth1, http://pastebin.com/fdc1ad16 there as a paste
[15:24] <Mark_Milliman> Anyone alive in here?
[15:24] <pro-rsoft> no
[15:24] <pro-rsoft> i accidentally did "killall -HUP #ubuntu"
[15:25] <theholyduck> pro-rsoft, how could you..
[15:25] <theholyduck> :)
[15:26] <Mark_Milliman> oh well
[15:26] <Mark_Milliman> Does anyone know where Nautilus is executed on login?
[15:26] <Tuv0k> so part of this python bug is to make ~ unavailable?
[15:26] <Tuv0k> no nautilus
[15:26] <Tuv0k> no mc
[15:27] <Tuv0k> no ls -l from cli
[15:27] <Mark_Milliman> Nautilus no longer runs when I login.  I don't have any desktop icons, right click/context menu, etc.
[15:27] <Tuv0k> not from ~ anyway
[15:27] <Mark_Milliman> just no Nautilus
[15:27] <Mark_Milliman> Places>Desktop doesn't work either
[15:27] <Tuv0k> I'm using fluxbox just for these types of emergencies
[15:27] <Mark_Milliman> I can open up a Nautilus window from the places menu
[15:27] <Tuv0k> and I can't get a ls of my /home folder
[15:27] <Tuv0k> weird
[15:28] <Mark_Milliman> other users don't have this problem
[15:28] <Tuv0k> I can't open nautilus from anywhere
[15:28] <valberg> ysth1, can you see the error ?
[15:28] <Tuv0k> sad
[15:28] <Tuv0k> there is no error to see
[15:29] <Mark_Milliman> I can open it from a terminal
[15:29] <Mark_Milliman> it starts well then crashes
[15:30] <Mark_Milliman> then file manager opens and closes 8 times
[15:30] <Mark_Milliman> very annoying with compiz going
[15:30] <Tuv0k> does not open in the slightest
[15:30] <Tuv0k> screw nautilus, I should still be able to get a dir listing from term
[15:30] <Mark_Milliman> from terminal I see that nautilus-share extension is initializing
[15:31] <Mark_Milliman> so is seahorsw hautiluse module
[15:31] <Mark_Milliman> seahorse nautilus that is
[15:31] <ysth1> valberg: I see your paste, dunno if this is different from things being screwed up right now
[15:31] <Mark_Milliman> then I get a warning unable to add monitor.  I think that is typical because X already has 0
[15:31] <valberg> ysth1, which things? are there any special things that are screwed up ?
[15:33] <Tuv0k> its gvfs
[15:33] <Tuv0k> it also added itself to fsta
[15:33] <Tuv0k> it also added itself to fstab
[15:34] <Mark_Milliman> what's gvfs Tuv0k?
[15:34] <Mark_Milliman> what do you mean?
[15:34] <ysth1> python-central,  jockey-common jockey-gtk python-apt update-manager-core update-manager
[15:34] <blue|palm> hi, i am on hardy but for some reason running anything with sudo, or gksu fails, and returns unable to resolve host laptop...
[15:34] <blue|palm> is there anything i can do to fix this
[15:34] <Tuv0k> !gvfs
[15:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gvfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:35] <Mark_Milliman> oh I thought that response was for me Tuv0K
[15:35] <Mark_Milliman> check your network configuration blue
[15:35] <Mark_Milliman> do you have network connectivity
[15:36] <Tuv0k> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/185756
[15:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185756 in nautilus "Couldn't display "network:///" - Nautilus cannot handle network:locations" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[15:36] <Tuv0k> !google
[15:36] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[15:37] <Mark_Milliman> I know of the network:/// and fonts:/// problem but mine is different
[15:37] <Mark_Milliman> I don't have a desktop manager
[15:37] <Tuv0k> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs
[15:38] <Tuv0k> !gvfsd
[15:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gvfsd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:38] <Tuv0k> stupid bot
[15:39] <pro-rsoft> !learn gvfsd
[15:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about learn gvfsd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:40] <Tuv0k> thanks, bot needs to be brought up to speed on the packages
[15:46] <Pici> !info gvfsd
[15:46] <ubotu> Package gvfsd does not exist in hardy
[15:47] <Mark_Milliman> When I run Nautilus from the command line it crashes a little after saying "caller wants GKeyFile."  What is this file?  It could be corrupted like my %gconf.xml file was corrupted.
[15:48]  * Tuv0k smoke break
[15:48] <Tuv0k> at least i still have my mythtv
[15:52] <Mark_Milliman> so no one in here knows anything about how Nautilus functions
[15:53] <Terrasque> anyone having problems with installing the new python-apt package?
[15:54] <Mark_Milliman> yes Terrasque because it depends on python-central
[15:54] <Terrasque> noticed that
[15:54]  * theholyduck hits head against wall
[15:54] <theholyduck> WINE doesnt work in hardy
[15:54] <theholyduck> or atleast. i cant get it to work
[15:54] <pro-rsoft> ahgrrr
[15:54] <theholyduck> it segfaults the instant you try to do anything with it
[15:55] <theholyduck> known error?
[15:55] <Terrasque> theholyduck: its the new windows emulation feature :)
[15:55] <theholyduck> hm.
[15:55] <theholyduck> im going to compile from source then
[15:55] <theholyduck> see what happens
[15:57] <theholyduck> got to love apt-get build-dep
[15:58] <Terrasque> any ETA on the next alpha / beta release? And any idea when they will start stabilizing it?
[15:59] <flipstar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule alpha 5 in about 2 days
[16:00] <Terrasque> thanks :)
[16:04] <extern> I keep getting AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'byte_compile' error when upgrading python-apt
[16:04] <extern> and that causes some missing dependencies
[16:05] <Terrasque> same here, seem to be a known problem
[16:08] <extern> is there a solution?
[16:11] <dholbach> Ubuntu Development Week is up and running in #ubuntu-classroom!
[16:26] <Assid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/193333
[16:27] <Nuke_> are there functional freenx packages for hardy?
[16:27] <Assid> someone wanna confirm that bug
[16:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193333 in kopete "Kopete crashes X specially if compiz is running" [Undecided,New]
[16:28] <Solarion> boy this python-apt bug is annoying
[16:28] <flipstar> Solarion: http://snapshot.debian.net/package/python-apt
[16:29] <Assid> anyone having that bug?
[16:29] <flipstar> i have this bug with wine
[16:29] <flipstar> not X but compiz is crashing
[16:29] <Assid> wine is broken
[16:29] <Pici> Er... I woudlnt install any packages directly from debian...
[16:30] <theholyduck> flipstar, lol
[16:30] <flipstar> im using an old version anyway
[16:30] <theholyduck> flipstar, well
[16:30] <theholyduck> wine + compiz
[16:30] <theholyduck> is not
[16:30] <theholyduck> reccomended
[16:30] <theholyduck> :P
[16:30] <theholyduck> to say the least
[16:30] <Pici> !enter
[16:30] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:30] <flipstar> i see
[16:30] <theholyduck> i have another issue with wine though.
[16:30] <theholyduck> it keeps segfaulting
[16:30] <rsk> yes known bug theholyduck
[16:31] <Assid> rsk is responsible
[16:31] <theholyduck> :O
[16:31] <Assid> catch him
[16:31] <ubuntux> hi, i have kernel:  2.6.24-8-generic
[16:31] <Assid> bbiab
[16:31] <ubuntux> and rt61pci is causing kernel panic
[16:35] <flipstar> theholyduck: some time ago both were working great..
[16:35] <theholyduck> flipstar, well compiz is known to cause errors in wine. and wine is known to cause errors in compiz
[16:35] <theholyduck> :P
[16:35] <theholyduck> even IF they can. work together
[16:35] <theholyduck> they still dont alot of the time
[16:36] <flipstar> hm at kwin my windows program doesn't work in wine :/
[16:36] <flipstar> so i hope they will better it out :P
[17:20] <shirish> can anybody help me out, I'm still facing python-central bugs after the update done by doko
[17:26] <LimCore> will Hardy provide working fonts?
[17:26] <LimCore> it would be nice to have working fonts as appose to current, broken font
[17:26] <LimCore> (bitstream - invalid glyphs for latin characters ; dejavu - very thin - invalid hinting?)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/179157
[17:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179157 in ubuntu "ugly (thin/gray) and/or broken (latin-2) fonts" [Undecided,New]
[17:31] <tretle> !grub
[17:31] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[17:38] <juliux> hi
[17:39] <Tuv0k> hi
[17:40] <nemo> *sigh*
[17:47] <juliux> has somebody else problems with language-selector-common_0.2.10_all.deb ?
[18:05] <shirish> can somebody tell me what is main inclusion report?
[18:08] <Pici> !mir | shirish have you read this?
[18:08] <ubotu> shirish have you read this?: mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information.
[18:20] <tretle> !grub
[18:20] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[18:20] <tretle> !partition
[18:20] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in !GNOME under !Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For !Edgy and later, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[19:18] <Daemonik> Why is it that when I run stunnel it just exits and pgrep or ps shows nothing?
[19:21] <DanaG> How about strace'ing it?
[19:21] <DanaG> (don't bother pasting the output, but do look for anything unusual.)
[19:22] <DanaG> oh, and random link to my bug: bug 121833
[19:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[19:23] <DanaG> (I've memorized the number by now.)
[19:23] <DanaG> Note that I've added info about upstream patches that fix it.
[19:33] <bofh80> so, python central fixed then?! works for me now :) jockey don't install tho, bug logged already again lol. i really don't want to install the nvidia driver manually from the website, i don't see what else to do tho, cos i want to play my games :(
[19:33] <theholyduck> to fix the nvidia driver
[19:33] <theholyduck> in the reps
[19:33] <theholyduck> just fix the softlink
[19:33] <theholyduck> :P
[19:34] <theholyduck> the entire issue is 1 broken softlink
[19:34] <theholyduck> :P
[19:34] <theholyduck> just relink it
[19:34] <theholyduck> and it works
[19:34] <theholyduck> bofh80, on the other hand. wine instant segfaults
[19:34] <Terrasque> !enter
[19:34] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[19:35] <theholyduck> bofh80, you need help finding the correctone?
[19:36] <bofh80> theholyduck, i got myself into this mess because of wine segfaulting, so decided to update :((( hjahahah
[19:36] <bofh80> theholyduck, in fact, a bug in wine was the only reason i upgraded to hardy in the first place :S
[19:36] <flipstar> i still have the problem in pycentral ..
[19:37] <theholyduck> well. wine segfaults like MAD. on hardy
[19:37] <theholyduck> for me :P
[19:37] <bofh80> theholyduck, but no i should be able to install the one from the website ok i guess, i don't understand why the nvidia-glx-new package doesn't make the driver availble :(
[19:37] <theholyduck> its because it installs it differntly
[19:37] <theholyduck> you need to redo the softlink
[19:38] <theholyduck> like ubuntu reads the glx driver from a softlink.
[19:38] <theholyduck> but on hardy. that link points to the wrong place
[19:40] <DanaG> I guess I should assign the task "Linux" to that bug.
[19:42] <bofh80> theholyduck, that's ALL? :D any ideas where the link is or a website with some info? or what do i search for ? :P
[19:42] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/121833
[19:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]
[19:43] <DanaG> yay, added "Linux" task; now hopefully it'll be fixed.
[19:43] <DanaG> Or at least commented on.
[19:43] <theholyduck> bofh80, il check my command history
[19:43] <theholyduck> i forgot where i found it:P
[19:44] <bofh80> theholyduck, cool. holding here :) thx
[19:46] <theholyduck> rm /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so and
[19:46] <theholyduck> ln -s /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so.169.09 /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[19:47] <theholyduck> i THINK that was all i did
[19:47] <bofh80> theholyduck, very cool. i'll give it a whirl
[19:47] <theholyduck> and then restart xorg
[19:49] <theholyduck> bofh80, actually.
[19:49] <theholyduck> i think they fixed this one.
[19:49] <theholyduck> if you update ALL your packages
[19:49] <theholyduck> to the newest one
[19:49] <theholyduck> come to think of it. i didnt link it like that
[19:49] <bofh80> lol
[19:50] <bofh80> good timing, i was just tappin in the first line :)
[19:50] <theholyduck> try updating all the packages.
[19:50] <DanaG> wme:wme_qdiscop_enqueue ht_queue=4,queue=2 pool=0xF qdisc=f727be80
[19:50] <bofh80> jockey errors, which apparently is supposed to control the nvidia / ati drivers now, jockey is the only package that won't update
[19:50] <DanaG> dmesg is being spammed.
[19:54] <theholyduck> bofh80, i think i softlinked it into /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libglx.so instead
[19:54] <theholyduck> i think that was the old convention
[19:54] <theholyduck> but the new one seems to remove that softlink. and add a new one into /extensions
[19:54] <theholyduck> *extensions/
[19:55] <flipstar> libglx.so have to link to libglx.so.169.09
[19:55] <flipstar> that was correct
[19:56] <bofh80> sod it. i'll try it. and let you know . cheers theholyduck and flipstar  :)
[19:57] <theholyduck> flipstar, well i think it was in another directory now :P
[19:57] <theholyduck> than it was when i fixed it before updating all the nvidia and xorg stuff
[19:57] <theholyduck> *it is
[19:59] <bofh80> in my /extensions i have this : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      16 2008-02-19 19:48 libglx.so -> libglx.so.169.09   //////////    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  762092 2008-02-17 11:02 libglx.so.169.09
[20:00] <flipstar> that means libglx.so is already linked
[20:01] <bofh80> flipstar, right, but i don't have an nvidia driver to select at all, Hardware Manager lists nothing, and if i type nvidia manually as the driver into the config file, then X won't start and goes into low graphics mode . . .
[20:01] <bofh80> *Hardware Drivers that is
[20:01] <theholyduck> lol..
[20:02] <theholyduck> bofh80, whats the output of lspci |grep vga
[20:02] <theholyduck> hmm
[20:02] <theholyduck> not vga
[20:02] <theholyduck> VGA
[20:02] <bofh80> also to note, if you didn't see is that jockey aint installing, which i think is the problem here :)
[20:02] <bofh80> k
[20:03] <theholyduck> i think my jockey is broken
[20:03] <theholyduck> or atleast it WAS
[20:03] <theholyduck> until i  like manualy uninstalled it.
[20:03] <bofh80> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a2)
[20:03] <theholyduck> and then reinstalled all the apps it depended on
[20:03] <theholyduck> and then reinstalled itself
[20:03] <bofh80> sounds like fun
[20:03] <theholyduck> didnt take much time
[20:03] <flipstar> sorry i didnt even knew what joker was until today..i just install nvidia driver 171.05 manally ..
[20:04] <theholyduck> if you're running hardy,
[20:04] <theholyduck> you need to expect to get down and dirty
[20:04] <theholyduck> with dependencies
[20:04] <theholyduck> every now and then
[20:07] <bofh80> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/193408
[20:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193408 in jockey "package jockey-common 0.2-0ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New]
[20:07] <bofh80> that's the same bug i get
[20:08] <DanaG> Hmm, cool art here too:  http://hp.skinit.com/skins/styleskins/animal_prints&resourceId=1839
[20:14] <flipstar> what does "slice end not reached but screenspace end (8 left DF0000, score=-71744" mean ?
[20:15] <mrtimdog> If I drag a link from firefox to the desktop to create a text/html type link and then click on it I get a terminal starting up with lynx. How can I change this to start firefox? My default applications are set to firefox.
[20:16] <flipstar> right click propertys ->change filetype setting or similar
[20:16] <mrtimdog> A gnome-open on the URL works.
[20:17] <mrtimdog> flipster: Hi, there's no option to change the app to run it, I suspect as it's a .desktop file.
[20:17] <mrtimdog> flipstar even, sorry!
[20:18] <flipstar> there is a tool right from typ: just click on that
[20:19] <mrtimdog> flipstar, sorry, you've lost me there... a tool right from type?
[20:20] <flipstar> right .. a tool symbol
[20:22] <mrtimdog> ? No tool symbol. Are you meaning somewhere in a Nautilus browser window?
[20:23] <flipstar> wait a sec
[20:25] <DanaG> I don't see 171.05 on nvidia's site.
[20:25] <DanaG> I've heard that that one is only for Tesla GPGPU.
[20:28] <flipstar> mrtimdog: it should be something like this http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6254/screen2mv6.png
[20:28] <flipstar> DanaG: it is a beta release but its working great here
[20:29] <flipstar> http://www.nvidia.de/content/license/driver_license.asp?language=de&url=http://de.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/171.05/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-171.05-pkg1.run
[20:29] <flipstar> notice:this is the german version dont know how it is different from the english one ..
[20:30] <DanaG> Eek, German.
[20:30] <DanaG> I can find the english one myself.
[20:32] <mrtimdog> flipstar: ok, mine looks a little different... http://www.mr-dog.net/files/ScreenshotProperties.png
[20:32] <DanaG> I don't see that one on the English site.
[20:32] <DanaG> (I also want the changelog, not the download link.)
[20:33] <mrtimdog> flipstar: Assuming that was the properties dialog?
[20:33] <flipstar> mrtimdog: yes
[20:33] <flipstar> mrtimdog: maybe in a other tab ?
[20:33] <DanaG> aah, I had to google for the number.
[20:33] <mrtimdog> flipstar: No, checks those too.
[20:34] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=987&num=1   --  aah, yes, for gpgpu.
[20:35] <sveri> DanaG: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=987&num=1
[20:35] <sveri> DanaG: there is no changelog to 171.05 according to this site
[20:35] <flipstar> mrtimdog: hm then i dont know..maybe you can change the filetype and edit it under general program associaton ..
[20:36] <mrtimdog> flipstar: Can't change it as it's a .desktop file containing the URL, etc..
[20:36] <mrtimdog> flipstar: Thanks for looking though :)
[20:37] <flipstar> forgot to mention im using kde..so things are different..sorry cant help you detailled
[20:39] <mrtimdog> flipstar: ok. Seems it's trying to run /usr/bin/www-browser which is an alternatives link to lynx!
[20:40] <paulr> i'm thinking of moving to ubuntu for linux dist (having bounced aruond everything else) - would probably just run a hardy alpha as it's a dev box -- is it 'easy' to move between releases without doing a full box reinstall in ubuntu? ;/
[20:41] <flipstar> yes it is paulr
[20:41] <flipstar> it just get comlicated when you overjump a release
[20:41] <flipstar> but in general its no problem
[20:42] <paulr> overjump as in move from an alpha to a final or as in move from 6 -> 8 ?
[20:42] <flipstar> no from edgy to gutsy for example
[20:42] <flipstar> 6 -> 8 is still the same release
[20:49] <Flannel> Hey guys, I've got a question as to how Dapper -> Hardy upgrades are working if there's no linux-image-686 transitional packages in hardy? (or at least, not on the alt CD or in packages.ubuntu.com)
[20:49] <paulr> flipstar: now to work out how I want to get from gentoo to hardy ;)
[20:50] <flipstar> just run the live cd and check out how it works ;)
[20:50] <paulr> dont think running any live cd's gonna help me with that ;)
[20:50] <paulr> or any linux distribution either :P
[20:51] <theholyduck> paulr,
[20:51] <theholyduck> emerge debootstrap
[20:51] <theholyduck> :P
[20:51] <theholyduck> then use that to install the base system
[20:51] <theholyduck> then install the ubuntu-desktop package of your choice in that chroot
[20:51] <theholyduck> add the required lines to grub.
[20:51] <theholyduck> and you're good to go
[20:52] <flipstar> hmn few more with debootstrap ..
[20:52] <flipstar> just did that a week ago becorse of raid
[20:52] <paulr> theholyduck: erm, something makes me think your being serious :)
[20:52]  * paulr goes to hit google
[20:53] <theholyduck> paulr, i am
[20:53] <theholyduck> you can install just about ANY linux distro from any linux distro
[20:53] <theholyduck> given the right tools
[20:53] <theholyduck> to install debian based distros. you need debootstrap
[20:53] <theholyduck> i bet there is a simelar tool for rpm based distros
[20:53] <theholyduck> install cd's are just frontends to other tools
[20:54] <theholyduck> like the ubuntu installcd is just a frontend for chroot and debootstrap
[20:54] <theholyduck> pretty much
[20:54] <theholyduck> and some disk tools
[20:54] <theholyduck> and t3h likes
[20:54] <theholyduck> but in the end. anything that can be done by a cd. can be done by hand
[20:56] <MenZa> Is anyone else experiencing broken python-apt, update-manager(-core) and language-selector-common problems?
[20:56] <MenZa> er
[20:56] <theholyduck> yes.
[20:56] <MenZa> s/problems/packages
[20:56] <MenZa> good, good
[20:56] <theholyduck> i think EVERYONE is :P
[20:57] <MenZa> I was expecting that
[20:57] <MenZa> Just making sure
[20:57] <jpatrick> MenZa: /topic?
[21:02] <bofh80> oh, i feel like such a nub, trying to install the nvidia driver manually, says no matching blah blah, compile yourself, so i downloaded and unpacked the kernel header, but nvidia installer can't find /linux/versions or some such inside that folder, (the /linux/ is there, the versions aint) so it says bye bye :(
[21:02] <bofh80> *kernel source rather
[21:03] <flipstar> sure you have the right headers ?
[21:03] <nemo> bofh80: that's rather hard to parse...
[21:03] <nemo> flipstar: (or any headers)
[21:03] <flipstar> search for $uname -r headers
[21:03] <theholyduck> bofh80, why did you..
[21:04] <theholyduck> dl and extract
[21:04] <theholyduck> why not install the linux-headers package
[21:04] <theholyduck> for your arch?
[21:04] <theholyduck> linux-headers-2.6.24-8
[21:04] <nemo> theholyduck: isn't that in apt?
[21:04] <flipstar> it is
[21:05] <theholyduck> yes.
[21:05] <nemo>  /lib/modules/2.6.24-8-generic/build/include <- that appears to be the one my Hardy install is on.
[21:05] <nemo> and I wasn't doing anything creative with it
[21:05] <theholyduck> nemo, thats just a softlink though
[21:05] <nemo> yes :)
[21:05] <nemo> but is the *standard* softlink :-p
[21:05] <theholyduck> indeed
[21:05] <theholyduck> :P
[21:06] <theholyduck> i wonder if bofh80 feels like MORE of a noob
[21:06] <theholyduck> now
[21:06] <theholyduck> :P
[21:06] <nemo> heh
[21:06] <bofh80> ARGH
[21:06] <bofh80> cos i thought i had em
[21:06] <bofh80> :(
[21:06] <bofh80> i have generic
[21:06] <bofh80> i'm bootin 386 kernel :(
[21:06] <bofh80> doh
[21:06] <bofh80> thanks for leading me back down the right path again theholyduck :D
[21:07] <bofh80> bbs :D hopefully.
[21:07] <nemo> gentoo uses a differrent softlink to maintain the standard location
[21:07] <nemo> # ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.23-gentoo-r8/build
[21:07] <nemo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2008-02-15 12:45 /lib/modules/2.6.23-gentoo-r8/build -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.23-gentoo-r8
[21:07] <theholyduck> nemo, and /usr/src/linux
[21:07] <theholyduck> too
[21:07] <theholyduck> on gentoo
[21:07] <nemo> yeppers
[21:07] <theholyduck> is usually a link to your current kernel
[21:07] <nemo> I still use that one
[21:07] <theholyduck> nemo, its easier to type
[21:07] <theholyduck> :)
[21:07] <nemo> theholyduck: that used to be the norm back in the day
[21:07] <nemo> theholyduck: yeah, but at some point it occurred to people that folks might use more than one kernel :)
[21:08] <theholyduck> paulr, so. did you learn something about debootstrap
[21:09]  * MenZa nods at jpatrick 
[21:09] <nemo> $ ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
[21:09] <nemo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 2008-02-16 17:32 /lib/modules/2.6.24-8-generic/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-8-generic
[21:09] <nemo> hm. I guess that's how ubuntu does things
[21:09] <jpatrick> MenZa: ?
[21:09] <nemo> interesting. I never bothered really to look before
[21:10] <MenZa> jpatrick: python-central.
[21:10]  * MenZa nods
[21:10] <jpatrick> :)
[21:10] <MenZa> I'm going to continue trying to check how to fix my synaptics touchpad
[21:10] <nemo> MenZa: wassup with it?
[21:10] <nemo> 'cause my synaptics touchpad was a pain
[21:11] <MenZa> I just need to find out what to do to get gsynaptics to work
[21:11] <theholyduck> ah.
[21:11] <theholyduck> i need to upgrade my bios
[21:11] <theholyduck> one of these days
[21:11] <theholyduck> acpi is broken
[21:11] <theholyduck> HORRIBLY
[21:11] <theholyduck> broken
[21:11] <theholyduck> :P
[21:11] <theholyduck> first of all.
[21:11] <MenZa> I mean, my touchpad *works*, but I don't have a scroll on the right, tap and drag and such
[21:11] <theholyduck> it reports false cpu temps
[21:11] <theholyduck> like the instant the kernel activates ACPI
[21:11] <theholyduck> if i have it on
[21:11] <theholyduck> its like
[21:11] <MenZa> !enter | theholyduck
[21:11] <ubotu> theholyduck: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[21:11] <theholyduck> CPU TEMP IS 85C!!!! SHUTTING DOOOOWN
[21:12] <nemo> theholyduck: woah
[21:12] <theholyduck> while. bios says my cpu temp is 30 degrees. and my fan spining nice cool air into my hand says its not 85
[21:12] <MenZa> :/
[21:12] <nemo> $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[21:12] <nemo> temperature:             40 C
[21:12] <theholyduck> i even have my bios to cut power at 45 degrees C
[21:12] <nemo> which, on my board, is reported from the AMD chip.
[21:13] <theholyduck> but yeah. my bios seems to be horribly broken in terms of acpi
[21:13] <theholyduck> so i just opened up bios and disabled all acpi functions
[21:13] <theholyduck> but there is probaly a upgrade i can do.
[21:13] <theholyduck> to fix it
[21:14] <nemo> MenZa: want my synaptics xorg conf?
[21:14] <nemo> MenZa:         Option      "VertTwoFingerScroll" "1"  and all that?
[21:14] <paulr> theholyduck: found a howto the other way around
[21:14] <paulr> i.e.ubuntu - > gen
[21:14] <theholyduck> thats way easier
[21:15] <theholyduck> ANY distro with chroot + mount
[21:15] <bofh80> *sob* - well it compiled. and configured everything. then flicked, and flicked and dropped. sigh :(. did someone say they had a newer nvidia driver i could try? :P
[21:15] <theholyduck> can install gentoo
[21:15] <nemo> theholyduck: heh. heck, I helped a friend install gentoo on a sun box using the sun network boot :)
[21:15] <theholyduck> bofh80, loaded the nvidia kernel module?
[21:15] <nemo> theholyduck: machine didn't have an external cdrom drive or any other way to launch it, since it was SANS sun OS
[21:15] <MenZa> nemo: sure :)
[21:16] <theholyduck> its much more fun to install ubuntu from gentoo
[21:16] <bofh80> theholyduck, it appears you have me again, what is it i'm supposed to do? :) install it? i'll check synaptic now . . .
[21:16] <theholyduck> bofh80, no :P
[21:16] <theholyduck> just modprobe nvidia
[21:16] <nemo> MenZa: http://m8y.org/tmp/synaptics.txt
[21:16] <nemo> FWIW
[21:16] <MenZa> thanks
[21:16] <theholyduck> try that atleast
[21:17] <theholyduck> nvidia should have COMPILED the kernel module. but i dunt know if it loads it
[21:17] <nemo> MenZa: My S.O. doesn't like her touchpad doing anything but basic mouse stuff. so I disabled most of those.
[21:17]  * MenZa nods
[21:17] <MenZa> brb
[21:17] <theholyduck> nemo, thats alot of config
[21:19] <MenZa> that's definitely better, nemo, thanks
[21:19] <MenZa> now to find out how to enable tapping on it
[21:19] <nemo> MenZa: 6 of the options in that config have to do with tapping :)
[21:20] <MenZa> yep, the question is which to fiddle with :D
[21:20] <MenZa> meh
[21:20] <MenZa> gsynaptics does it for me
[21:20] <theholyduck> hm
[21:20] <theholyduck> tapping is when you hit the pad and it clicks?
[21:20] <theholyduck> right?
[21:21] <nemo> MenZa: man synaptics   ? :)
[21:21] <theholyduck> i never manualy configured synaptic.
[21:21] <MenZa> hehehe
[21:21] <theholyduck> *touchpad
[21:21] <MenZa> gsynaptics <3
[21:21] <MenZa> I never had to before, theholyduck
[21:21] <theholyduck> but.. my debian autoconfed
[21:21] <theholyduck> it :P
[21:21] <nemo> http://linux.die.net/man/5/synaptics
[21:21] <nemo> wow. there are a lot of values
[21:22] <theholyduck> i only have 2 laptops. 1 runs debian the other runs gentoo console only :P
[21:22] <theholyduck> console only gentoo is shmeexxy
[21:22] <nemo> theholyduck: screen ?
[21:22] <theholyduck> nemo, well that too
[21:22] <theholyduck> + framebuffer console
[21:22] <nemo> theholyduck: screen + w3m + centerim :)
[21:22] <theholyduck> i love how mplayer has a framebuffer output
[21:23] <theholyduck> and links -g
[21:23] <nemo> I like w3m's UI better
[21:23] <nemo> navigation and tabs are more pleasant to use
[21:24] <nemo> theholyduck: you're aware you can run gtk apps directly against the framebuffer? :)
[21:24] <theholyduck> yeah
[21:24] <theholyduck> i just never been arsed trying to
[21:24] <theholyduck> i dont really have any apps that REQUIRES me to have a gui
[21:25] <MenZa> win
[21:25] <MenZa> works fine now
[21:25] <MenZa> thanks, nemo!
[21:25] <theholyduck> do you know any live cd that has support for the broadcom chipsets included?
[21:26] <theholyduck> so that i could install gentoo on em. over wifi
[21:26] <nemo> theholyduck: ubuntu's doesn't?
[21:26] <theholyduck> i havent tried
[21:26] <theholyduck> but ubuntu is not OPTIMAL for gentoo install :P
[21:26] <MenZa> roll your own then, theholyduck
[21:26] <theholyduck> i GUESS i could
[21:26] <nemo> yeah, actually...
[21:26] <theholyduck> i dont like ubuntus default terminals
[21:26] <nemo> isn't that hard to unpack the gentoo ISO
[21:26] <nemo> and repack it with the wireless drivers on it
[21:27] <nemo> although why you wouldn't just put them on a usb memory stick...
[21:27] <theholyduck> well.
[21:27] <nemo> theholyduck: waitasec. I've install gentoo using ubuntu and knoppix before
[21:27] <theholyduck> id need em compiled for the distro atleast
[21:27] <nemo> theholyduck: pretty much anything will work
[21:27] <theholyduck> nemo, hmm. last time i tried knoppxi
[21:27] <theholyduck> the wifi didnt work
[21:27] <theholyduck> on the broadcom laptop
[21:27] <nemo> theholyduck: ok. you're a gentoo user and you can't figure out how to compile a generic kernel mod that matches the kernel version of the live cd you are using :)
[21:27] <theholyduck> anything will work. but ubuntu has such ugly terminals
[21:28] <theholyduck> methinks
[21:28] <theholyduck> nemo, :P
[21:28] <theholyduck> i can figure it out :)
[21:28] <theholyduck> its just lazy
[21:28] <nemo> gnome-terminal is ugly?
[21:28] <theholyduck> nemo, yes
[21:28] <theholyduck> very
[21:28]  * nemo shrugs
[21:28] <theholyduck> i prefer something like aterm
[21:28] <theholyduck> :P
[21:28] <nemo> does aterm finally support utf-8?
[21:28]  * nemo checks
[21:29] <theholyduck> i dont do much in terms of utf-8
[21:29] <theholyduck> terminal wise
[21:29] <theholyduck> :P
[21:29] <Gnine> all hail theholyduck view of terminals
[21:29] <theholyduck> Gnine, why?
[21:29] <theholyduck> :P
[21:29] <bofh80> theholyduck, guess what :) - (modprobe nvidia) FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia :( - i rebooted. same .... any ideas?
[21:29] <nemo> theholyduck: utf-8 kicks ass on the terminal
[21:29] <Gnine> not
[21:30] <nemo> theholyduck: http://m8y.org/tmp/ibmfilter.txt  <- for example, my nethack remap to make it purtier :)
[21:30] <lavish> Jouva: hi :)
[21:30] <nemo> the actual script not being mine
[21:31] <nemo> I think Fwiffo made it
[21:31] <Jouva> lavish: I was just joining to ask something else but I was going to let you know the first thing in the topic was probably what you just asked about ;)
[21:31] <lavish> Jouva: ahah I'm reading :)
[21:32] <bofh80> ok i just read up, hey flipstar where'd you get that driver from?
[21:33] <Jouva> Is anybody aware if the USB issue with Dimension E310s has been fixed in Hardy? Some were blaming it on a bad USB driver in the Linux kernel, yet Knoppix supposedly boots and installs just fine.
[21:33] <flipstar> bofh80: which one ? the 171.05 ?
[21:34] <bofh80> flipstar, yes pls, the 169 is giving me fatal error
[21:34] <flipstar> you can find it on nvidias ftp ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/171.05/
[21:34] <bofh80> flipstar, nice one thank you
[21:34] <flipstar> bofh80: but remember its a beta driver
[21:35] <bofh80> flipstar, yeh well the stable one aint working :). and hardy is alpha ;p
[21:35] <bofh80> flipstar, there are 2 packages?
[21:36] <bofh80> flipstar, i'm still waitinf ro the read me to load, ftp is slow ass :)
[21:36] <flipstar> pkg is the right one
[21:36] <flipstar> you could use prozilla to accelerate ..
[21:36] <flipstar> *pkg1.run
[21:37] <bofh80> flipstar, ohh it kicked into like
[21:37] <bofh80> life *
[21:37] <bofh80> here we go again :) cheers flipstar
[21:40] <lavish> Jouva: ok I read the entire bug report. Now I see there's no offical fix. What's the best thing to do?
[21:41] <paulr> theholyduck: thinking a format might be easier ;P
[21:42] <paulr> although, does http://buffalo.nas-central.org/index.php/Debootstrap_Ubuntu_from_Gentoo look like a reasonable set of steps to follow as a process (also the link under 'why')
[21:44] <ubuntu_> erp
[21:44] <ubuntu_> erk
[21:45] <theholyduck> paulr, its pretty simple eh
[21:46] <flipstar> theholyduck: did you ever tried it ?
[21:46] <bofh80> hey up. right, needed to install the linux-restricted-modules, i missed the fact of the 386 version again till i checked on the command line :(. all sorted thanks for your help theholyduck and flipstar got me there :D
[21:46] <theholyduck> flipstar, i've installed debian
[21:46] <theholyduck> that way
[21:46] <theholyduck> a couple of times
[21:47] <theholyduck> ubuntu would be even easier
[21:47] <Jouva> lavish: I'd know as much as you ;) I was hoping to give Hardy a try myself.
[21:47] <flipstar> hm i just installed ubuntu that way and needed about 3 attemps..
[21:48] <flipstar> missed little details every time
[21:49] <theholyduck> how can you miss details...
[21:49] <theholyduck> hmm
[21:50] <theholyduck> maybe ubuntu is more complicated than debian like that
[21:50] <weltschmerz> suddenly my windows have no borders, and i cannot select things or really do much of anything.  failsafe works.
[21:50] <flipstar> like remount proc+sysfs
[21:50] <flipstar> so i occured wired errors
[21:50] <weltschmerz> anyone know what this could be, or could some sort of xorg.conf reconfiguration fix it?
[21:51] <theholyduck> flipstar, well
[21:51] <theholyduck> anyone whos EVER done a gentoo install
[21:51] <theholyduck> knwos you need to mount proc and /dev
[21:51] <theholyduck> into the new chroot :P
[21:51] <flipstar> weltschmerz: you probably using compiz without window manager..try install emerald
[21:51] <flipstar> theholyduck: right i did that but you need to remount after updating..
[21:51] <nemo> weltschmerz: do you use compiz fusion?
[21:52] <flipstar> i missed that
[21:52] <nemo> oh. flipstar guessed same thing
[21:52] <theholyduck> flipstar, you do?
[21:52] <nemo> weltschmerz: they answer the "no borders" thing about twice a day in the compiz fusion channel
[21:52] <flipstar> one time, yes
[21:52] <weltschmerz> nemo i was using compiz (desktop effects, right)
[21:52] <nemo> weltschmerz: you can of course switch to metacity while fixing.
[21:52] <weltschmerz> now it says the composite module or something like that isn't available.
[21:53] <weltschmerz> lemme try to install emerald.
[21:53] <theholyduck> flipstar, im fairly sure i never did that
[21:53] <nemo> weltschmerz: naw. just go to #compiz-fusion
[21:53] <theholyduck> why would you need to remount. and after updating what?
[21:53] <nemo> weltschmerz: they've covered it before
[21:53] <weltschmerz> okay.
[21:53] <flipstar> after apt-get update and i dont know
[21:53] <theholyduck> flipstar, i dont THINK i had to do that
[21:53] <nemo> weltschmerz: well. I guess I should say, you don't have to *not* use emerald :)
[21:53] <theholyduck> nor did i run apt-get update
[21:53] <theholyduck> :P
[21:53] <nemo> just don't remember that being in their suggestions
[21:54] <flipstar> hmn i had to install dmraid so i had to ..
[21:54] <weltschmerz> what is emerald?
[21:54] <flipstar> an windows manager
[21:54] <flipstar> em decorator
[21:54] <flipstar> !info emerald | weltschmerz
[21:54] <ubotu> weltschmerz: emerald (source: emerald): Decorator for compiz-fusion. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.2+git20080205-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 250 kB, installed size 1312 kB
[21:55] <weltschmerz> why would it help me?
[21:55] <flipstar> you just said you have to windows decoration..
[21:55] <flipstar> *no
[21:56] <nemo> flipstar: specifically an unmaintained window manager, but whatever :-p
[21:56] <weltschmerz> Errors were encountered while processing:  python-apt, update-manager-core...
[21:56] <nemo> flipstar: hm. well, I may be lying there.  n/m.
[21:57] <flipstar> emerald depends on python-apt ?
[21:57] <weltschmerz> that happens no matter what i do with apt-get
[21:57] <theholyduck> weltschmerz, yeah.
[21:57] <theholyduck> but it doesnt STOP
[21:57] <flipstar> yes just ignore that :)
[21:57] <theholyduck> what youre installing
[21:57] <theholyduck> so just ignore it :P
[21:57] <weltschmerz> Package update-manager-core is not configured yet.
[21:57] <theholyduck> weltschmerz, again. ignore it :P
[21:57] <flipstar> weltschmerz: see topic
[21:58] <theholyduck> those packages are broken. and will show up with all apt-getting. but just ignore em
[21:58] <theholyduck> your original install will till work
[21:58] <theholyduck> *still
[21:58] <theholyduck> like if i installed mplayer through apt-get. that error would come. but mplayer would still be installed
[21:59] <flipstar> i hope that will be fixxed soon..i have issues with programs that depend on that..
[21:59] <flipstar> like update-manager or command-not-found ..
[22:00] <blueyed> Is KDE3 and KDE4 crashing for somebody else currently?
[22:02] <weltschmerz> how will i be limited by running in failsafe mode?
[22:13] <flipstar> weltschmerz: when you select failsafe from login you just have a shell
[22:35] <flipstar> the python-apt thing is fixed.
[22:37] <lavish> flipstar: great!
[22:40] <lavish> flipstar: sorry for the question... how? :P
[22:40] <flipstar> sorry, ask an developer ;)
[22:40] <flipstar> just realized it with an apt-get update
[22:44] <ionstorm> does wine work in hardy
[22:44] <ionstorm> I cannot seem to get it to work
[22:45] <flipstar> you might try an older version..
[23:04] <seeitcoming> Sorry to be a pain (I can read the topic...) but does any fix exist for #192992? The lp page is full of useless 'me too' comments and I can't filter out a decent workaround
[23:05] <ConstyXIV> installing from alpha4 cd, i got a "grub-install hd0 failed, this is a serious error".  anything i can do?
[23:05] <flipstar> yes seeitcoming
[23:05] <flipstar> just update
[23:07] <seeitcoming> flipstar: unconventional fix, I must say :)
[23:08] <seeitcoming> only to be replaced by some jockey errors. YA
[23:08] <seeitcoming> Y
[23:16] <weltschmerz> i think my problems with having no window borders began after i first started using compiz yesterday.
[23:17] <flipstar> you started emerald ?
[23:20] <ConstyXIV> weltschmerz: are you getting compiz-like effects?
[23:22] <ConstyXIV> weltschmerz: pull up a terminal (applications->accesories->gnome-terminal), then type "ps auxw | grep compiz
[23:22] <ConstyXIV> no quotes, of course
[23:40] <weltschmerz> consty i was getting them yes.
[23:41] <weltschmerz> not now.
[23:41] <weltschmerz> that ps produces nothing but the search itself.
[23:45] <ConstyXIV> weltschmerz: then you're not running compiz at all.  run "compiz" in a terminal and see what happens
[23:47] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> the pycentral bug still not fixed? it has been around almost 2 days...
[23:49] <flipstar> it is already fixed [Gutsy]TuTUXG
[23:49] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> flipstar, the bug is still open
[23:49] <flipstar> did you updated ?
[23:52] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> flipstar, "Sorry, the program "pycentral" closed unexpectedly ... "
[23:52] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> that's what i got
[23:52] <dan__> Hello There. Been looking at the hardy blueprints. Is the new theme still going ahead, i thought it read somewhere that it was postponed till 8.10. Or are the blueprints a little behind? thanks
[23:53] <flipstar> [Gutsy]TuTUXG: here it is working
[23:53] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> flipstar, so it's not officially "Fixed"?
[23:54] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> I know there are patches, work arounds, what i need is real fix
[23:54] <flipstar> i just updated few hours ago..since then it worked again