[00:20] openoffice crashes whenever I try to print a document to a CUPS server, terminal output: http://pastebin.com/m2e2b050 [00:20] (i386) [00:25] file a bug? [00:41] bug #192992 [00:41] Launchpad bug 192992 in python-central "[hardy] pycentral crashed with ValueError in parse_versions()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192992 === spr0k3t_ is now known as spr0k3t [01:04] linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic is still ownable by vmsplice exploit. is it ok? [01:04] sigh. That kernel is not in hardy. [01:05] and, as I implied earlier, neither of the versions in hardy are vulnerable. [01:05] I wonder when this will be back ported to 7.10 then [01:05] to answer your off-topic question, however, the version in gutsy-security is not vulnerable to the appropriate CVEs. [01:06] note that both gutsy-updates and gutsy-security contain the fixed package(s). [01:06] linux-source-2.6.22 | 2.6.22-14.52 | gutsy-security | source, all [01:06] linux-source-2.6.22 | 2.6.22-14.52 | gutsy-updates | source, all [01:10] 2.6.22-14.52 in gutsy is the same as from 7.10 [01:10] is it? [01:11] Does Hardy have a desktop manager that should be running? [01:11] LimCore: 7.10 == gutsy, yes. [01:11] I don't have any desktop icons, context menu on the desktop, or File Manager when opening Places>Desktop. [01:13] for fear of being a noob (I just don't use IRC much anymore) how do I send a message to a person without opening a private chat window? [01:13] compiz is running along with my panels but nothing else on the desktop. [01:13] I can't even change my wallpaper [01:26] ? how stable is hardy [01:27] at this momment [01:27] has to be more stable than 7.10 [01:32] I can't install or remove anything because of pythin-central bug, is there a way around this? [01:34] bobesponja the bug 192992 has a workaround in the comments, but i guess there will be a perm update/fix soon [01:34] Launchpad bug 192992 in python-central "[hardy] pycentral crashed with ValueError in parse_versions()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192992 [01:35] sn0: thanks, what workaround? I tried the one here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/python-apt/0.7.4ubuntu4 but it didn't fix it [01:35] bobesponja what happens? you need to pin the package in /etc/apt/preferences also then try apt-get/aptitude update [01:36] sn0: I did that [01:37] sn0: and I still get the same error [01:38] bobesponja strange, could you add that to the bugreport [01:39] sn0: ok [01:39] bobesponja it would be useful to note is this a fresh install from a daily, or upgraded etc [01:40] im trying fix here too on today's daily [01:40] sn0: I've just upgraded to hardy, everything went fine exept for this [01:46] fix works here, but fresh install [01:47] to be clear, that's not a fix [01:48] sorry fix was the wrong word, i understand its a temp workaround crimsun_ [01:56] well, not really a surprise. /var/lib/pycentral/delayed-pkgs is zero-byte. [01:57] OOooooh, look at HP Japan's wallpapers: http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/ [01:58] DanaG, how zen-full [01:58] :) [01:58] The colors are nice, though. [01:59] ill stick with my wallpaper i grabbed from the national geographic site :) [01:59] Gotta have a nice 'safe' collection of 'faimly friendly' wallpaper. [01:59] I'm using the background from the "Coming Storm" GDM theme. [01:59] What's with the quote marks? [02:00] ' " '"'' '' ''" morse code. :) [02:00] ..-.-...-.-.-...--..---... [02:00] -.- [02:00] One dose not want the wife and kids to find the anime paper [02:00] bbl [02:00] mmkay [02:01] I don't use anime characters as wallpaper; frankly, I'd find it kind of embarassing, for some reason. [02:05] sn0: do you know how I can undo the "fix" so I remove the python-central fix and get back the old one given that I can't install or remove anything? [02:05] or will the "real fix" fix both case anyway? [02:05] I try to avoid installing anything I haven't read changelogs for. [02:06] DanaG: ok then you must install ubuntu in a month then :) [02:07] No, I read changelogs as packages come out in update-manager. [02:23] Hmm, 70 updates, zero changelogs. [02:26] got it [02:27] pyversion's parse_versions() fails to handle a string that is passed pkg info, ala vstring is 'python:Versions=2.4' [02:29] crimsun_, see query :P [02:29] so, now it's down to whether pkgprepare() should sanitise strings of the above type and only pass in, say, '2.4' or '2.4, 2.5' [02:32] I think I'll temporarily hack parse_versions() to handle it. [02:32] Matthias can kill me later. :=) === HydroGONE is now known as Hydrogen === Johnny__ is now known as IdleOne === lamalex_2 is now known as lamaex === lamaex is now known as lamalex_2 === lamalex_2 is now known as lamalex [03:29] ok fixed the python error by simply pinning the version as advised in the bug. great stuff :) [03:29] now could anyone tell me why my nvidia driver has died? :( [03:30] i've had to switch back to NV, i used nvidia-glx-new (using restricted driver manager / now hardware manager) but apparently X doesn't seen nvidia driver at all [03:31] oh and hardware manager doesn't list it anymore either [03:31] Hmm, I just downloaded the SAME version from nvidia's site, and installed it the manual way. [03:31] Installing the same version means you won't have to disable lrm-manager. [03:34] I just ran OpenArena on nouveau :P [03:35] * DanaG wonders which he'd be better with: ATI Mobility Radeon HD2600 or NVIDIA GeForce Go 8600. [03:36] ATI. It'll have better free drivers faster. [03:36] nvidia [03:36] Nouveau doesn't really handle nv5x at the moment. [03:37] nouveau any good? [03:37] wtf? I press ctrl-a, I get just the letter 'a'. [03:37] Better than nv for everything < nv50 [03:37] Then I press it again while still holding 'ctrl', and I get ctrl-a. [03:37] WTF? [03:37] *Substantially* better than nv on many cards. [03:38] is it better than nvidia glx new [03:38] On my nv4B, nouveau's 2d is as fast or faster than the blob. [03:39] Since there isn't really any 3d to speak of, that makes it better than the blob. Unless you want 3d, at which point nouveau's 3d support is blocked while gallium is in development. [03:39] Two things I hope for by summer: [03:39] Midrange ATI 3xxx series cards for laptops, and drivers (either open or closed; doesn't matter too much to me) better than nvidia's. [03:41] Xorg is being buggy -- I pressed CTRL+(a,a,a) and got the letter 'a' twice before select-all happened. [03:41] I don't think the latter's likely; nvidia's blob is really quite good, especially compared to fglrx. If you compare free drivers though, the ati will likely win easily. [03:42] I'll just be glad to be rid of the screen flickering and the (rare) hard-lockups. [03:45] https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive [03:45] i see your repo [03:45] hehe [03:45] No 3d support in there, although I'm considering it. [03:46] 3d support would be nice [03:46] But basically there's no reason to ever use nv on < nv50. [03:46] i got a nv34 [03:46] how is the support [03:46] Should be good. You may even have 3d support. [03:47] (But not with my packages, you'd need to build a mesa branch yourself). [03:47] You also get shiny new bicubic filtering for Xv. [03:47] where do I find info on building/installing [03:48] Pretty much nowhere, sadly. [03:48] You can install the X drivers from my PPA. [03:48] Building the mesa branch is actually rather easy. [03:49] You get this branch (http://cgit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/mesa/log/?h=gallium-0.1) of mesa, and build it with "make linux-dri-$(ARCH) DRI_DIRS=nouveau". [03:50] Do you think the ATI drivers will be good by summertime? [03:51] DanaG: Depends on what drivers you're thinking of. Radeon/radeonhd sound like they should do decent 2d accel reasonably soon. As for the 3d support, probably not so much. [03:51] Dang. [03:52] Well, are the closed-source drivers at least usable? [03:52] I've heard it said that if gallium was finished right now, and you had 3 good developers working on it full time, 3d support for nv50 would take at least 6 months. I'd expect r600 support to take about that time, too. [03:52] The fglrx drivers are getting better, yes. [03:54] I'll make the actual purchasing decision around summer time. [03:56] get nvidia [03:56] plain and simple [03:56] it's less of a pain in the ass [03:56] tumbleweed__: The question is: for how long? [03:56] it is for now [03:56] no point worrying about what might be [03:57] How about if you're buying in 6 months' time, as the question was :) [03:58] my only recomendation... if you want smashing fantastic 3D to play hard core games, get a decent nvidia that is well supported by the drivers in the repo. [03:58] i agree [03:59] my ati doesn't have driver support [03:59] if you don't have a real need to do hardcore 3D, some of the latest Intel graphics chipsets are damn nice... and open. [03:59] But really, if you want to play hard core games, get a Wintendo. Linux driver support doesn't matter very much. [04:00] The group who have to actually worry are people (like me) who do a little casual gaming, some WoW, etc in wine. Hard core gamers use Windows. [04:00] * tumbleweed__ nods [04:00] I've got a board with built in 965 graphics that handles every bit of 3D I throw at it from things like compiz... granted it's not the best for FPS type games... but damn good for everything else. [04:01] My friend with an integrated Intel chipset is always envious about how much better WoW looks on this nvidia laptop when we play together. [04:01] RAOF: which chipset though? [04:02] It's a year-old macbook. What's that? :) [04:02] the 915 and 935 aren't that great. [04:02] that would be a 915 if it uses the intel chips [04:02] I do gaming in Windows, but not any in Linux. [04:02] Ah. So it's one of the crappy old intels? [04:02] yeah [04:02] Big stopper: it doesn't get along with PulseAudio. [04:03] DanaG: the intel chips? [04:03] Wine, I mean. Sorry, I didn't specify what 'that' referred to. [04:03] s'ok [04:04] Wine needs to learn that the default ALSA device is the default for a reason. [04:05] I'm still trying to figure out a reason to use wine for my needs. [04:21] does anyone have problem with python-apt_0.7.4ubuntu5_i386.deb, how to solve? [04:26] I have that problem [04:26] and I also have a problem with firefox crashing on howtoforge.com [04:26] * DanaG doesn't have that problem because he hasn't tried to install that update -- no changelog == I don't install. [04:28] Bwahahahahaha>/dev/null [04:29] lawl\ [04:33] hey check this out http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56581/ [04:33] I cant install update-manager in hardy === Johnny is now known as IdleOne === Mark_M is now known as Mark_Milliman [05:23] Hmm, anybody here use HP business notebooks? [05:23] I'm curious how well they work ... for example, working wattage reporting is a big thing. [05:26] always people in here but nobody talks. interesting. [05:29] that's how IRC goes.. [05:29] ^_^ [05:31] has anyone successfully got hardy running in KVM? the install is abnormally slow and then when i log in, it just shows the background and my mouse. :\ [05:36] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i like the new top-panel pull down animation and the pulse when u press firefox [05:38] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> anyone knows how do they implement those effects? [05:40] desktop effects? [05:40] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> not compiz [05:41] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> there are some effects make the login process looks much smoother [05:42] hmm. i haven't gotten hardy to work so i wouldnt know :P [05:49] i have a problem with nvidia-glx-new with the new hardy kernel but not 2.6.24-7-generic [05:50] do I need to remove 2.6.24-7-generic and reinstall glx-new for it to work? [05:53] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> how to disable tracker at login? [05:53] sessions [05:53] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> gnome-seesion-properties? [05:54] update-manager should take you to the -8 kernel [05:54] use the nvidia-new driver [05:54] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> already disable it under there [05:54] you will have to make a symbolic link to get glx to work [05:55] I am using the -8 kernel with the nvidia-new drivers and everything is working great [05:55] compiz is flying around nicely [05:55] * slackern stabs his ati card :P [05:56] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=698805 explains how to get the restricted nVidia drivers working [05:56] you will obviously have to restart X after the change [05:57] I just need to get my desktop back [05:57] I posted a query in the Ubuntu Forums but there is no response yet [05:58] anyone have their desktop disappear? Wallpaper, desktop icons, right-click/context menu, and Places>Desktop all don't work. [05:58] i just joined [05:58] good job mark [05:59] np Atomic [05:59] I had the nVidia driver problem yesterday morning [05:59] Saturday morning really [05:59] days are going together [06:00] the forum layout is odd :\ [06:00] Some how the schema of the %gconf.xml file for the desktop was corrupted [06:00] I fixed it but I think I killed a process that starts the Nautilus desktop [06:01] I agree on the forums [06:01] ...but this is an alpha [06:02] should there be some sort of Nautilus daemon running when Gnome starts after login? [06:04] Mark_Milliman, thans for the tip for glx-new [06:04] hmm [06:04] i would agree [06:04] since gnome by default uses the nautilus file manager [06:04] :P [06:05] gotta get that eye candy working ionstorm [06:06] the tut says cd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ [06:06] I dont have the dir [06:07] rofl [06:07] lawl [06:07] nm was still in a chroot [06:07] thats happened to me before [06:07] * heret1c returns [06:08] brb [06:08] h'm- [06:08] ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt$ uptime [06:08] 06:07:40 up 13:38, 7 users, [06:08] ? [06:09] 7 users? [06:09] for? [06:09] running hardy from cd. [06:10] hmm. [06:10] my hd died. [06:10] root, liveuser, hmm... donno what other users there could be [06:10] i am sure some apps have their own user [06:10] as in "nhd 0,0 not found". [06:10] heh. poor you. [06:11] i should just burn a cd and check out hardy. [06:11] just did 8 updates [06:11] but 3 didn't work because of pycentral [06:11] python still broken? [06:11] kvm doesnt even like gutsy :( [06:12] it used to work damnitt lol [06:13] **** ctrl key got stuck again. [06:14] you know what i dont get? this is not relevent to hardy at all, but why cant linux adapt windows key shortcuts? i mean.. it uses for some of the compiz stuff. it should at least have some of the others too. [06:14] i miss my win + L, etc. fn key F6 is more lame. [06:14] win-E win-d win-F win-R win-L win-pause ctrl-shift-escape [06:14] yes those [06:15] ctrl-shift-escape is taskmgr even in domain. [06:16] so what features do you think they'll add in hardy? is there a proposed list? like features not added yet? [06:17] dma? [06:17] :| [06:18] dma? [06:18] * heret1c suspects it was the lack of DMA which fried his hd. [06:18] well [06:18] it would slow it down a lot [06:18] but fry it? [06:18] hmm. [06:18] Well, stepping to PIO can kill CD drives, but I don't know about hard drives. [06:19] it's noy in fstab. nor media. nor mount. [06:19] maybe its a hardware issue [06:19] noy/not [06:20] have you tried another harddrive on that cable? tryed swapping cables (lols why not)? [06:20] atomicspark> it looks dead as a dodo. [06:20] yeah. [06:20] usually you notice them dying first though... [06:20] don't have a såare. [06:21] like making noises, file system errors. etc. [06:21] i know mine on my desktop is dying. i mean a clean install of xp has file problems. thats something. [06:21] horrible noises indeed. === Mark_Milliman is now known as Mark_Milliman|Aw [06:23] bonki! [06:24] Best thing to do with a dying drive: STOP USING IT. NOW! [06:24] Buy a new drive and back it up before too late. [06:24] *clunck* [06:24] lol in the other room, they're talking about how ubuntu will get them nerd sex. [06:25] fana> use it? don't even see it. [06:25] good plan [06:25] Sure hasn't helped me... but that's not even what I'm looking for. Other things come first ... like real relationships. [06:25] did you try to mount it manually? [06:25] is it even spinning up? :\ [06:25] By "don't use it", I mean actually disconnect the power cable. [06:26] yes and no. [06:26] It's one of those things you reeeeeeeeeally want to catch in time. [06:26] danag> spot on. [06:27] ive never had a harddrive die on me, they just get worse lol. [06:27] Something I hate about USB hard drives is that you can't get SMART data from them; however, I've heard that even SMART data isn't foolproof. [06:27] irony is, the alpha runs from CD without a glitch. up >13 hts, online for > 12. [06:28] how often does ubuntu check SMART? [06:28] Hmm, if it runs fine from livecd with no hdd errors, then it's likely not a hardware failure. [06:29] * heret1c dunnos. qtparted won't start. [06:29] i'm still learning about ext3. mm self healing. [06:33] Ooo, uådatemanager is offerinh upgrades. 8-/ [06:33] ? [06:33] english? [06:33] Deadkeys, likely. [06:34] sorry. bad light/eyesight. [06:34] lol [06:35] combination makes for frequent typos. [06:36] h'm monitor & display in system settings complains of conflicting modules. there are none not suuppøied with the CD. [06:38] How do you typo those nifty international characters? [06:39] international keyboard [06:39] D: [06:39] WOAAAAA [06:39] dana> lang=no [06:39] I mean, I can do them on purpose, but I don't think I could do it accidentally. [06:40] æøå [06:40] Aah, different. Norwegian. (unless I'm misinterpreting 'no'.) [06:40] danag> spot on. [06:41] spot on! [06:44] what is the hdparm command to list available drives, again? [06:48] Hmm, I wonder if there'd be any practical benefit to getting a FireGL instead of a Radeon. [06:48] (I don't use AutoCAD in my major.) [06:53] no [06:54] unless you need it for a program, don't get it. [06:54] it actully runs games slower. [06:54] blame the drivers they release once a year [06:55] any easy work around for python-central bug? or just wait? [06:57] anyone know how to remove packages that will not autoremove? --purge gets stuck saying subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 [07:01] how do I unsubscribe from bugs? [07:02] I've linked my email inbox to the bug crushing machine that is ubuntu development [07:02] With the unsubscribe link on the bugpage? :) [07:02] and I'm getting .. where on the page is it? [07:02] Whatever page you subscribed for it on. [07:02] * heret1c tips hat at raof [07:02] Have you done something like subscribed to *all* bugs in Ubuntu? :) [07:02] i looked everywhere [07:02] it almost seems like I did [07:02] lol [07:02] oh thank goodness [07:03] that link didn't say that a minute ago [07:03] *click* [07:03] Heh. [07:03] ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt$ uptime [07:03] 06:07:40 up 13:38, 7 users, [07:05] raif> know anything about hd forensics? looks as if ubuntu killed mine. [07:05] o [07:07] anybody else having gl screensaves locking the machine? [07:14] high === fnordistus is now known as alteregoa [07:14] low. [07:15] what the heck is those debug log? "username" kernel: 27989.145219 atl1 000:02:00.0 hw csum wrong, pkt_flag:1600, err_flag:80 [07:15] yesh. [07:15] i use a p5k without WIFI [07:16] how can i get rid off wifi modules in kernel? [07:17] blacklist [07:18] python has being crapped too [07:18] alteregoa> spot on. [07:19] meow [07:19] does nvidia 100.14.19 driver still work in hardy? one of my games have problems with 169.09 [07:21] Hey, cool. Someone's put my webcam drivers in linux-ubuntu-modules :) [07:21] zqwe: You can try nvidia-glx, which is a 96xx driver. [07:22] mmm probably new legacy broken too for this game [07:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/104535 )indirect proof it was ubuntu which zapped my hd, along with the DMA issue) [07:23] Launchpad bug 104535 in ubuntu "Default HD power management settings will kill drive (dup-of: 59695)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:23] Launchpad bug 59695 in acpi-support "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Critical,Confirmed] [07:23] its kantastic [07:23] wait what is 96xx? its not legacy? [07:23] who do I sue? [07:24] heh i need a carbuntu version with low display res [07:25] with ganja earth and gps mouse, so i can always see where i am [07:27] heret1c: are you insist it is ubuntu fault? did you read ubuntu developers explanation? (about notebook manufacturers forcing incorrect config) [07:28] i am a geocache player [07:29] much better then 3dshooter [07:34] ubotu dead harddisk [07:34] Sorry, I don't know anything about dead harddisk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [07:34] lol [07:34] hardisks alive! [07:34] call dr, mccoy [07:34] ubotu crashed harddisk [07:35] [07:34] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [07:35] ubotu /dev/hda /dev/sda [07:36] hah. it wonæt incriminate itself [07:38] ubotu hi [07:38] Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1! [07:38] ubotu smoke hemp [07:38] Sorry, I don't know anything about smoke hemp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [07:39] ubotu how old are you? [07:39] gives a headache. [07:41] alteregoa: what is geocache [07:42] i just downloaded some 3d shooters and 2 3d mmos [07:42] planeshift and regnum [07:42] someone deposit something in a box, and hiding it, the only thing you know is the locator ( geo coordinates ) [07:43] you can share stuff, if you put your own crap into this box or something [07:43] its a adult form of kinderüberraschung [07:44] or suprise eggs [07:44] easter eggs [07:44] you mean it is game from REAL WORLD [07:44] ? [07:46] bbl [07:46] of course [07:46] because virtual insanity has gone weird [07:47] lol real world is a waste [07:49] my headache killing me [07:49] try using alka seltzer with deuterium [07:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule ..three days? [07:50] I think I'll count on twice as long, to be safe [07:52] yeah the beta phasis ends at june 5th [07:52] even if they call it final [07:53] beta starts june 5th, before that its alpha :) [07:54] its like wine [07:59] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> is anyone get java plugin working with firefox3? not the java xcb problem [07:59] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> there are so many plugin folder i dont know which one to put the link in [08:00] hm, todays update of ghostscript seems to be broken [08:00] erk [08:01] hey [08:01] * heret1c is using a german-language version of Kanotix [08:01] does anyone feel compiz to be a bit messed up [08:01] while opening a window.. it first shows up in black [08:01] the previous compiz (before the xgl bug) didnt do much of that [08:03] assid> wotcha. [08:03] supertux2 doesn't work i have no glue why [08:04] Kanotix won't see my /dev/hda, either. [08:04] when i open a chat window in kopete 4:3.5.8-1ubuntu4 (latest in hardy), my *entire X server* crashes. log here: http://pastebin.ca/909566 . this happens only with kopete. anyone see anything like this before? [08:04] [09:04:36] <-- sveri hat den Server verlassen ("Konversation terminated!") [08:05] heret1c: ? [08:05] * heret1c sniggers [08:05] german language distro. [08:05] yeah plattdeutsch distro [08:06] and the munchnerfreiheit distro [08:06] skandal im sperrbezirk [08:06] i missed your jokes, cuz i dont know this language [08:07] aber doch. [08:07] heret1c: you using compiz enabled? with an nvidia-glx? [08:07] assid> I'm in Kanotix ATM. [08:08] Hardy murdered my HD, apparently. [08:08] raffiniert ist det herrgott, aber boshaft ist er nicht. [08:09] yeah herrgott, ich bin atheist amen [08:10] * heret1c is quite resentful towards the ubuntu development team. The have received HEAPS of warnings on the ide/scsi/dma bug, and has done nothing about it. Attitude stinks. [08:12] heret1c: that attitude will get you no where [08:12] yeah just buy a new hard drive ;) [08:12] hahaha [08:13] jussi> U shall not respond to that. It would fry all reasonable limiys on netiquette. 8-# [08:13] You may have just been a victim of bad timing, though. [08:15] Ironic. Ytied doing a backup to DVD which FAILED because of no DMA - then the HD died. [08:15] someone wanna confirm this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/193185 [08:15] Launchpad bug 193185 in compiz "compiz seems slower and the black windows are more apparent" [Undecided,New] [08:15] Better idea would've been to have stopped using the hard drive. [08:15]