[00:58] <koolkat> nixternal?
[00:59] <koolkat> ARE YOU IN HERE????
[00:59] <koolkat> :-?
[01:01] <jjesse> he might be eating dinner
[01:02] <jjesse> can i help you?
[01:08] <koolkat> jjesse: how do I get noticed in the help.ubuntu/community by the leaders....because i like to post there and I wanted to me a doc team member.
[01:11] <koolkat> did i miss anything?
[01:12] <koolkat> jjesse: did you respond to my question....because i just signed off.
[01:12] <koolkat> ?
[01:12] <koolkat> :-?
[01:16] <jjesse> sorry wife was tlaking to me
[01:16] <koolkat> jjesse: ok
[01:18] <koolkat> jjesse: did you get my question?
[01:18] <jjesse> koolkat: yes i did wife is talking with me
[01:18] <koolkat> jjesse, oh...sorry
[01:24] <jjesse> koolkat: you just need an account on launchpad to edit or add to help.ubuntu.com
[01:25] <koolkat> jjesse, i know that but there is an actual Documentation team.....isnt there
[01:25] <koolkat> jjesse, i already have the launch pad account
[01:26] <jjesse> koolkat: yes there
[01:26] <jjesse> is
[01:26] <koolkat> jjesse, thats what i thought
[01:26] <koolkat> jjesse, who determines if you are on that team?
[01:27] <jjesse> have you applied to the team on launchpad?  have you emailed the doc team mailing list introducting yourself?
[01:30] <koolkat> jjesse, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc where is the apply link?
[01:31] <jjesse> there should be a join
[01:32] <koolkat> jjesse, either i need glasses or its not there (probably the first one)
[01:37] <koolkat> jjesse, it says administrator approval required, but where do i apply?
[01:38] <jjesse> send an meail to the doc team introducing yourself and what you would bring to the team
[01:42] <koolkat> jjesse, I CANT FIND THE ADDRESS!!!!
[01:43] <jjesse> koolkat: please relax, ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com
[01:44]  * koolkat takes deep breaths 
[01:53] <koolkat> jjesse, Ok i sent an email to them.
[02:00] <koolkat> jjesse, are you in the wiki team?
[02:43] <jjesse> yes koolkat i am part of the wiki team as well
[02:43] <koolkat> Ok
[02:43] <koolkat> I registered for that too
[02:47] <koolkat> i hopefully get invited
[02:48]  * koolkat sleepy
[15:02] <sommer> mdke: hello, is it still cool to commit some new sections to the hardy branch?
[15:48] <jjesse> sommer: i think we haven't hit string freeze yet
[15:48] <jjesse> which is when we have to stop committing
[15:49] <sommer> jjesse: ya, but with the new proposed "soft freeze", I guess you'd call it, I wanted to make sure
[15:49] <sommer> plus with all the translation work Matt's doing I wanted to make sure :-)
[15:50] <sommer> errr... double sure
[15:55] <jjesse> sommer: i totally undstand
[15:55] <jjesse> i think the work matt is doing is jumpstarting the process i htink he did it last release w/ great success
[16:03] <sommer> gotcha, sounds good to me
[18:20] <ubotu> New bug: #193380 in ubuntu-doc "crashes when opening on internet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193380
[18:53] <Lhademmor> Hey, is the doc-team responsible for the IdeaPool?
[18:54] <Lhademmor> Because it sure as hell needs maintenance/cleanup!
[18:57] <sommer> Lhademmor: I don't think the Doc Team is responsible, mostly the doc team covers help.u.c and the system documentation
[18:57] <sommer> wiki.u.c is the development wiki used to coordinate Ubuntu development
[19:23] <Lhademmor> sommer, then who should I poke in order to get it cleaned up? It seems like a joke that it has such big a role at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/
[19:26] <sommer> you might try #ubuntu-dev and see if anyone knows there... I could also be wrong and it is part of the doc team, but I've never seen any discussion about it
[19:26] <sommer> from the doc team that is
[19:39] <mdke> sommer: yep, what jjesse said
[19:40] <sommer> mdke: party!
[20:11] <mdke> sommer: to respond to your email, sure if you'd like to have a go at the ppa thing, that would be great. No time constraints, it's just a neat new feature
[20:11] <sommer> mdke: cool, I'll try and do some testing this weekend
[20:12] <mdke> maybe see if there is another ppa session in the Developer Week and see if you can catch it :)
[20:14] <mdke> sommer: another thing I wanted to discuss with you... Do you think it's worth the effort to make a distinction between serverguide and server in the tree?
[20:14] <mdke> the latter was supposed to be the same except without the sections which are irrelevant to a desktop system, such as those which are included elsewhere in the help center
[20:15] <mdke> i don't know whether that distinction would affect any of the new sections in the guide which you guys have added this cycle
[20:15] <sommer> mdke: I don't think there'd be much affect on the new sections
[20:15] <sommer> how would you make the distinction?
[20:15] <mdke> what is currently done is that "server" is installed in the help center, while serverguide is installed as html for the server edition
[20:16] <sommer> mdke: right, I'm with ya
[20:17] <sommer> I'm not sure it would make much difference to the tree
[20:17] <sommer> are you thinking of new contributers?
[20:17] <mdke> if we remove it, we don't have to sync the two each release, and we don't have the confusion that you guys have experienced about which one to contribute to
[20:18] <sommer> mdke: heh... I'm with ya
[20:18] <sommer> I guess I'm cool with either way, I believe there was discussion at UDS boston about seperating the server guide
[20:19] <sommer> it is kind of handy to have it in yelp though
[20:19] <sommer> but maybe it's only handy for me :-)
[20:19] <mdke> you mean separating it into a different repository
[20:21] <sommer> no I was thinking what you were, but I believe the UDS discussion was along those lines
[20:22] <mdke> i do think it's handy to have the guide in yelp, I'm just not convinced that there is any reason to maintain slightly different versions for that purpose, we could just use the whole of the serverguide in yelp
[20:23] <sommer> I guess if we send a message to the server ml and the doc ml to see if anyone else has to have it, and if not I agree we can just use serverguide
[20:23] <sommer> mdke: I agree
[20:23] <mdke> ok, fair enough
[20:24] <sommer> mdke: I'll send a message this evening... should have an idea of how to proceed by the weekend I'd think
[20:28] <mdke> cool