[00:09] <Ubulette> if https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414558 is really the cause of miro's folding weirdness, it seems it's there to stay :(
[00:09] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 414558 in Layout "gmail titles shown below label when browser width is reduced. List of contacts is empty." [Major,New]
[00:09] <cheguevara> [reed], is inability of ff3 to use hotmail's full interface a hotmail bug or a firefox bug
[00:10] <[reed]> dunno, I've seen a bug on it, but I didn't read it
[00:10] <[reed]> check bugzilla
[00:10] <asac> cheguevara: afaik its hotmail
[00:10] <asac> cheguevara: you can use it by changing the user-agent
[00:10] <asac> (to windows or mac)
[00:11] <cheguevara> mozilla bug 396259
[00:11] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 396259 in English US "hotmail.com - Hotmail (Classic interface) cannot be accessed from non-Firefox Gecko browsers" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=396259
[00:19] <[reed]> asac: you're working on the dpi issue?
[00:51] <asac> [reed]: was dragged into something else today.
[00:51] <asac> but yes
[00:51] <asac> still on radar
[01:21] <[reed]> k
[01:50] <[reed]>   inetutils-inetd 2:1.5.dfsg.1-4
[01:50] <[reed]>   openbsd-inetd 0.20050402-6
[01:50] <[reed]> which is better?
[02:08] <asac> openbsd is in main
[02:08] <asac> [reed]: ^^
[02:08] <[reed]> yeah
[02:08] <[reed]> that's what I figured out
[02:08] <[reed]> and picked :)
[02:08] <[reed]> thanks
[02:08]  * [reed] is setting up a pxe server so he can install ubuntu on his new laptop
[02:08] <[reed]> since it doesn't have a cdrom drive and usb flash install isn't working
[02:08] <asac> [reed]: usb?
[02:08] <asac> isn't?
[02:09] <[reed]> nope... it fails during partitioning
[02:09] <asac> gutsy?
[02:09] <[reed]> yes
[02:09] <[reed]> and some other random stuff I had to kick to get to work
[02:09] <asac> strange ... tried alternate CD?
[02:09] <[reed]> wait
[02:10] <[reed]> couldn't I put the netboot image on a floppy?
[02:10] <[reed]> I have a usb floppy drive
[02:10] <[reed]> and then I could netboot
[02:10] <[reed]> and install like that
[02:10] <[reed]> ooo
[02:14] <asac> https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-usb-files.html
[02:15] <asac> let me know what worked out for you :)
[02:15]  * asac sleeps now
[02:15] <[reed]> lol
[02:15] <asac> really ... if i buy an X61 i want to know whats up ;)
[02:15] <asac> at best try not to use that floppy as I ain't have one
[02:15] <asac> :-P
[02:17] <[reed]> well, pxe server would work
[02:17] <[reed]> just a pain to set up :)
[02:17] <asac> right
[02:17] <asac> too much imo
[02:17] <asac> usb should really work
[02:18] <asac> i mean why would partitioning break?
[02:18] <[reed]> could me just the usb flash drive I was using
[02:18] <[reed]> be*
[02:18] <[reed]> I'll try another one
[02:18] <asac> did you run live image or alternate?
[02:18] <[reed]> live
[02:18] <asac> yeah ... maybe alternate is more safe
[02:18] <[reed]> I'll try your page
[02:19] <[reed]> if it doesn't work, I'll try something else
[02:19] <[reed]> :)
[02:19] <asac> just found that on google ;)
[02:19] <asac> there is also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[02:21] <asac> but maybe the first combined with network (like mentioned in the last section) looks like the most effecient approach
[02:29] <[reed]> oh, maybe I'm just running into a partitioning problem
[02:30] <asac> wanna keep vista?
[02:31] <[reed]> no, I'm going to replace it with XP
[02:31] <[reed]> (for school stuff that requires Winblowz :()
[02:31] <[reed]> but there's also a recovery partition
[02:31] <[reed]> I guess I could just wipe the vista partition
[02:31] <[reed]> and then resize it
[02:32] <asac> he? you can wipe everything i would say
[02:32] <asac> and then create partitions as needed ... like
[02:32] <[reed]> I like keeping the recovery partition
[02:32] <[reed]> it's only 5gb
[02:32] <[reed]> ok, that seemed to work
[02:32] <[reed]> hmm
[02:32] <asac> for what purpose?
[02:33] <[reed]> should I make the ubuntu partition first before XP or the XP partition before Ubuntu?
[02:33] <[reed]> /dev/sda2 versus /dev/sda3
[02:33] <asac> that shouldn't matter
[02:33] <asac> as long as you keep it _small_ :-P
[02:33] <[reed]> true
[02:34] <[reed]> 25gb should do
[02:34] <[reed]> since some of the engineering programs I have to install are several gigs
[02:34] <asac> for XP ... thats huge ;) ... how many do you have in total? 80, 120, 160?
[02:34] <[reed]> 160
[02:34] <asac> ah .. that should be fine then
[02:36] <[reed]> hmm, I crashed ubiquity
[02:36] <[reed]> whatever that is
[02:36] <cheguevara> the installer :P
[02:37] <asac> Description: Ubuntu live CD installer
[02:37] <asac> yep
[02:37] <[reed]> "fun"
[02:40] <[reed]> hmm
[02:40] <[reed]> need to make a swap partition
[02:40]  * [reed] does that
[02:42] <cheguevara> what kind of a laptop doesnt have a cdrom
[02:42] <asac> X6x
[02:42] <asac> thinkpad
[02:43] <[reed]> I was dumb and had separate partitions for / and /home on my main laptop
[02:43] <[reed]> that's starting to bite me
[02:43] <asac> why?
[02:43] <[reed]> since I'm running out of space on /home but I have plenty on /
[02:43] <[reed]> :(
[02:43] <asac> hehe
[02:43] <asac> yeah ... sizing matters
[02:43] <[reed]> size _does_ matter!
[02:43] <[reed]> ;P
[02:43] <cheguevara> lol
[02:43] <cheguevara> suse does that by default, always annoyed me
[02:44] <[reed]> I think I'll just do a 2gb swap partition
[02:44] <[reed]> and then everything else on /
[02:44] <cheguevara> how much RAM you got
[02:44] <[reed]> 2GB
[02:44] <asac> i split partitions as well ... on laptop this is questionable, agreed
[02:44] <cheguevara> will probably never need such a big swap
[02:44] <[reed]> at least I don't follow the stupid "double your RAM to get your swap partition size" rule
[02:45] <[reed]> cheguevara: what do you recommend? 1gb? 1.5?
[02:45] <cheguevara> i'd say 1 is enough
[02:45] <cheguevara> unless firefox starts memory leaking :P
[02:45] <[reed]> lol
[02:45] <cheguevara> yeah some people got 4 gigs of ram
[02:45] <cheguevara> and set their swap to 8 gigs
[02:45] <[reed]> asac: sound good?
[02:45] <cheguevara> i was like wtf lol
[02:46] <asac> [reed]: depends on your preference. running without swap is fine too ;)
[02:46] <[reed]> lol
[02:46] <asac> i mean if 2 gig of active mem gets swapped out you are lost anyway
[02:46] <cheguevara> lol
[02:46] <asac> on desktop
[02:47] <asac> but same for 1gb
[02:47] <asac> its more like a backup for cases where you rather want severe slowdown instead of OOMs
[02:48] <asac> but 2 don't hurt nowadays ;) ... as there is plenty of space
[02:50] <cheguevara> basically 1 or 2
[02:50] <cheguevara> don't really make a diff :P
[02:51] <asac> [reed]: oh i remember that if you want to suspend to disk you need at least mem amount of swap :)
[02:51] <[reed]> BAH
[02:51] <[reed]> ...
[02:51]  * [reed] sighs
[02:51] <cheguevara> hmmm
[02:51]  * [reed] waits for the installer to give him a cancel button
[02:51] <cheguevara> never thought of that
[02:51] <cheguevara> sorry :P
[02:52] <asac> [reed]: i would even add a bit on top of your mem to be safe
[02:52] <[reed]> think I can kill it while it's trying to partition? :)
[02:52] <asac> unwise
[02:52] <[reed]> hehe
[02:53] <[reed]> I agree
[02:53] <cheguevara> Just like Paul Thurrott, I'm re-evaluating why it really is necessary for me to have two browsers. Really, why? If Mozilla can't make an application to suit the look and feel of my Operating System then why should I bother with their product? I'm over the stage where I feel somehow better because I use browser 'A' instead of browser 'B'.
[02:53] <cheguevara> *sigh*
[02:53] <asac> he?
[02:54] <cheguevara> some guy at neowin.net
[02:54] <cheguevara> started an 11 pages forum thread discussion
[02:54] <asac> isn't ffox 3 look on win more native now too?
[02:54] <cheguevara> why would you pick your browser based on how it looks
[02:54] <[reed]> except for the theme, yes
[02:54] <asac> well, there is certainly a huge market for that ;)
[02:54] <[reed]> ;)
[02:54] <cheguevara> icons yeah, but the total looks is still quiet out of place on vista
[02:55] <[reed]> yeah
[02:55] <[reed]> we have an icon set
[02:55] <[reed]> we're just not using it yet
[02:55] <[reed]> patch is waiting on review :)
[02:55] <asac> is vista detected?
[02:55] <[reed]> yes, we can override chrome based on os version
[02:56] <[reed]> Linux can do the same thing with kernel versions
[02:56] <asac> ok so winstripe will stay the same?
[02:56] <cheguevara> yeah there's some bug with chrome redirects or something
[02:56] <[reed]> what do you mean?
[02:56] <[reed]> vista and XP will have different icons
[02:56] <asac> ah ok
[02:56] <asac> but XP will get new ones too?
[02:56] <[reed]> it already has, but they are still a work in progress
[02:57] <asac> hasn't winstripe theme been used on windows too?
[02:57] <[reed]> winstripe theme is for Windows...
[02:57] <asac> (and ... is it still the fallback for gnomestripe?)
[02:57] <[reed]> no
[02:57] <[reed]> well
[02:57] <[reed]> on toolkit it is
[02:57] <[reed]> not browser
[02:57] <cheguevara> yeah the new windows icons are quiet pixalated imho
[02:58] <asac> [reed]: ok that might have caused confusion on my side then
[02:58] <asac> didn't except  a split of those
[02:58] <asac> (fork?)
[02:58] <asac> ;)
[02:58] <cheguevara> lol
[02:58] <cheguevara> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=303477
[02:58] <cheguevara> here's new vista icons
[02:59] <asac> looks good enough imo :)
[02:59] <cheguevara> the icons or the total look?
[02:59] <[reed]> think 2051MB is enough for swap?
[03:00] <[reed]> for 2048MB of RAM
[03:00] <asac> [reed]: i don't know :) ... consider that maybe there is some meta info dumped to swap too
[03:01] <asac> but otoh you usually won't suspend right when the mem is completely utilized i guess
[03:01] <cheguevara> just do 2100 :P
[03:02] <[reed]> 50MB of meta info?
[03:02] <[reed]> I doubt it
[03:02] <[reed]> I'll go with this for now
[03:03] <cheguevara> am not saying it will be, its just a safe round number and i doubt you'll miss the extra 50 megs
[03:32] <[reed]> why am I getting 50kb/s to one of the mirrors
[03:32] <[reed]> ugh
[03:33] <cheguevara> archive.ubuntu.com ?
[03:33] <[reed]> us.a.u.c
[03:33] <cheguevara> oh
[03:34] <[reed]> back up to 400 now
[03:34] <[reed]> weird
[03:34] <[reed]> 448*
[09:10] <asac> Bug 192992
[09:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192992 in python-central "[hardy] pycentral crashed with ValueError in parse_versions()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192992
[09:30] <[reed]> asac: mozilla bug 413695 -- you need to comment
[09:30] <[reed]> see the last comment
[09:30] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 413695 in Build & Release "mothball old tinderbox perf test machines" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413695
[09:35]  * asac looking
[09:41] <[reed]> er
[09:41] <[reed]> wrong bug!
[09:41] <[reed]> sorry
[09:41] <[reed]> asac: mozilla bug 411341
[09:41] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 411341 in Build & Release "mothball 1.8.0 Firefox and Thunderbird build machines" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411341
[09:41] <[reed]> both had mothball in it
[09:41] <[reed]> :(
[09:42] <asac> hmm
[09:42] <asac> aren't those perf machines for 1.8.0 branch as well?
[09:59] <asac> asac: is there a bug against FF that if I have both GNOME & KDE installed, FF uses external  applications randomly choosing either a KDE or GNOME equivalent depending on the phase of the  moon :)
[09:59] <asac> [reed]: ^^ ?
[10:01] <asac> ever seen something like this in bugzilla?
[10:16] <[reed]> hmm
[10:16] <[reed]> nope
[10:16] <[reed]> that's really weird
[10:16] <[reed]> lol
[10:16] <asac> he files a bug now. no idea if thats the fault of new gio or something
[10:49] <asac> bug 193225
[10:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193225 in firefox-3.0 "FF: general exception for firefox 3 extension packages signed off by the mozillateam" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193225
[13:15]  * asac lunch
[13:58] <asac> Ubulette: bug 193225
[13:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193225 in firefox-3.0 "FF: general exception for firefox 3 extension packages signed off by the mozillateam" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193225
[13:58] <asac> ubotu: wake up!
[13:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wake up! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:27] <asac> [reed]: how can i search in bugzilla for all "approval1.8.0.15?" ?
[15:27] <asac> (or approval1.8.0.15+)
[15:27] <asac> ?
[16:14]  * asac conf call
[16:22] <armin76> put that on the whiteboard
[16:23] <armin76> i think...
[16:25] <armin76> asac: http://tinyurl.com/2kgoys
[18:01] <[reed]> asac: still need help?
[18:01] <asac> [reed]: nope :)
[18:01] <[reed]> asac: k
[18:01] <asac> found out
[18:01] <[reed]> I created a bugzilla group
[18:01] <asac> thanks
[18:01] <[reed]> for you and caillon
[18:02] <[reed]> for driving
[18:02] <asac> what purpose?
[18:02] <asac> ah ... cool
[18:02] <[reed]> see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=permissions
[18:02] <asac> has that been a request?
[18:02] <[reed]> well, dveditz was abusing security
[18:02] <asac> i think dveditz now just set security-group as drivers for 1.8.0 branch
[18:02] <[reed]> yes, that's changed now :)
[18:02] <asac> hehe ... right :)
[18:02] <[reed]> mozilla-1.8.0-drivers group now
[18:02] <asac> so people complained about spam ;)
[18:02] <asac> nice
[18:09] <asac> jtv: welcome
[18:09] <asac> ;)
[18:09] <jtv> asac: thanks :)
[18:10] <asac> [reed]: i have to go soon, just a short question: did you already associate all the required flags (blocking/approval/wanted) with that drivers group?
[18:10] <[reed]> yes
[18:10] <[reed]> asac: ^
[18:10] <asac> great ... you rock!
[18:11] <[reed]> :)
[18:32] <asac> ok out
[19:09] <Ubulette> hi
[19:09] <cheguevara> hi
[19:16] <Ubulette> i should not have subscribed to bug 192992
[19:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192992 in python-central "[hardy] pycentral crashed with ValueError in parse_versions()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192992
[19:17] <Ubulette> flood bug
[19:17] <cheguevara> lol should be all fixed now
[19:17] <Ubulette> nope
[19:17] <Ubulette> part of it only
[19:18] <cheguevara> meh
[19:18] <cheguevara> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade just completed fine for me after stealing latest python-central from launchpad
[19:19] <Ubulette> now bzr is totally broken
[19:19] <cheguevara> oh
[19:19] <Ubulette> http://paste.ubuntu.com/4774/
[19:19] <Ubulette> i hate python
[19:20] <cheguevara> installed here somehow
[19:20] <cheguevara> cheguevara@cheguevara-laptop:~/Desktop$ bzr version
[19:20] <cheguevara> Bazaar (bzr) 1.2.0.candidate.1
[19:21] <Ubulette> http://paste.ubuntu.com/4775/
[19:21] <Ubulette> my bot complained a lot today :(
[19:21] <cheguevara> lol so now the mirrors are breaking :P
[19:30] <Ubulette> still broken: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4776/
[19:34] <Ubulette> hm, fresh bzr to come: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/bzr/1.2~rc1-1build1
[20:23] <cheguevara> hey armin76
[20:24] <cheguevara> Ubulette, did you get the latest python-central?
[20:24] <Ubulette> nope
[20:24] <Ubulette> python-central | 0.5.50ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[20:24] <Ubulette> python-central | 0.5.50ubuntu4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Sources
[20:25] <cheguevara> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12084647/python-central_0.5.50ubuntu5_all.deb
[20:25] <cheguevara> dpkg -i that
[20:25] <cheguevara> and you should be good to go
[20:27] <cheguevara> would be funny if one day both apt-get and dpkg broke
[20:29] <Ubulette> arent' jockey-common and jockey-gtk broken for you too ?
[20:30] <cheguevara> Ubulette: when installing?
[20:30] <Ubulette> upgrading. i never installed that myself, it's a dep of something
[20:31] <cheguevara> of ubuntu-desktop
[20:31] <cheguevara> but yeah its fine for me
[20:31] <Ubulette> yep
[20:31] <cheguevara> well i don't have jockey-gtk
[20:31] <cheguevara> i had to get python-central first though
[20:33] <cheguevara> now why doesn't my sound work, this is really pissing me off
[20:34] <cheguevara> oh headphones need to be un-muted
[20:34] <cheguevara> thats new
[20:35] <cheguevara> was about to embarrass myself and file a kernel bug :P
[20:35] <Ubulette> for some reason, bzr 1.2~rc1-1build1 has been built but does not appear in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bzr/
[20:36] <cheguevara> its just a rebuilt anyway 1.2~rc1-1 installed fine for me with new python-central
[20:37] <cheguevara> but here it is
[20:37] <cheguevara> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12089530/bzr_1.2%7Erc1-1build1_i386.deb
[20:37] <cheguevara> things take some time to get to archives
[20:37] <Ubulette> it's usually fast
[20:38] <Ubulette> (expect for ppa)
[20:38] <Ubulette> excepy
[20:38] <Ubulette> except
[20:38] <cheguevara> heh
[20:38] <Ubulette> i can't installed that manually, i need my bot to do it
[20:39] <Ubulette> and i don't want to patch it for that
[20:39] <cheguevara> oh right didn't realize that
[20:40] <cheguevara> now if only someone fixed wine...
[20:50] <cheguevara> http://www.frikipedia.es/images/1/1e/Ubuntu_5.11.jpg
[20:50] <cheguevara> :P
[20:50] <Ubulette> :)
[21:39] <cwong1> asac: ping
[21:40] <cwong1> asac: got your emails.  Sorry for the late response. Monday was a holiday..
[22:27] <Ubulette> cheguevara, good, full upgrade is now fine. retrying my bot now
[22:27] <cheguevara> w00t :P
[22:32] <Ubulette> yep, good too
[23:08] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 75375
[23:08] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 75375 in Style System (CSS) "support for :nth-*() pseudo-classes" [Enhancement,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75375
[23:09] <asac> cwong1: no problem.
[23:09] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 401291
[23:09] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 401291 in Style System (CSS) "optimize handling of dynamic changes for advanced CSS selectors" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=401291
[23:10] <Ubulette> oh, i thought nth-*() changed from NEW to RESOLVED/FIXED
[23:10] <Ubulette> too bad
[23:10] <asac> cwong1: i see two issues we need to fix asap: 1. backout changes in toolkit and to it differently
[23:10] <asac> s/to/do/
[23:10] <asac> cwong1: 2. upgrade to beta3
[23:11] <cwong1> asac: we definitely need to upgrade to beta 3 asap
[23:11] <asac> cwong1: ok ... i have merged things locally ... there are a few glitches, but we can work that after that
[23:11] <cwong1> asac: do you know another way to doing what Jimmy did to the download dialog?
[23:11] <asac> however, i cannot commit anymor :(
[23:11] <cwong1> s/doing/do/
[23:11] <asac> cwong1: haven't looked, but it should be possible.
[23:12] <cwong1> asac: I will look into the commit issue with Johh and get back with you
[23:12] <asac> i think its just css tweaks?
[23:12] <cwong1> asac: but what about the file location?
[23:12] <asac> cwong1: yes ... its wierd, i definitly have my name in the commit message, but apparently you do some debcommit check or something backend ... i have no idea if i need to commit debian/changelog in the same commit or what :)
[23:12] <cwong1> asac: I don't think you can do this in css, can you?
[23:13] <asac> cwong1: which file location?
[23:13] <asac> ah i remember a bit
[23:13] <asac> let me look at the commits
[23:13] <cwong1> asac: we want to put media files in some pre-define location media/auio/piture/viedo
[23:14] <cwong1> asac: btw, please don't check anything one until I create a branch for our internal beta 3 release (for this friday).
[23:15] <cwong1> s/one/in/
[23:15] <asac> cwong1: ok ... ididn't want to commit the merge :)
[23:16] <asac> cwong1: let me know when the branch is open again
[23:16] <cwong1> asac: ok
[23:16] <cwong1> asac: does it make sense to have a xulrunner for mobile and one for desktop?
[23:19] <asac> well ... we should first try to either eliminate or get it into main xulrunner
[23:19] <asac> for instance: different default download directories for medias might be something upstream wants
[23:20] <cwong1> asac: when you say unstream, do you mean Ubuntu or Mozilla.org?
[23:21] <asac> mozilla+ubuntu  ... they are not really independent in this regards
[23:21] <asac> but usually i refer to mozilla as upstream
[23:22] <cwong1> I dont think mozilla would want our default download directories.  These directories might not be appropriate on other Linux Platform.
[23:22] <asac> welll ... afaik there similar directory names available by xdg
[23:24] <asac> but i agree that its unlikely
[23:26] <cwong1> asac: I also have another problem that might required changes in the toolkit directory.  I might have to modify the widget creation routine so that I have to create a widget container based on "MOKO" and then place the regular widget inside it.
[23:26] <asac> MOKO?
[23:26] <cwong1> s/required/require/
[23:27] <cwong1> MOKO is a finger scrolling library widget that we have and it is being used by many of our applets
[23:27] <cwong1> Here is the situation:
[23:28] <cwong1> right now with the preference, download and addon windows up, and if you bring up the virtual keyboard, it will obscure part of the windows and there is no easy way to navigate to the control that you want in the window.
[23:30] <cwong1> If we put those windows inside a moko widget, it will automatically allow the user to scroll to any part of the window using the touch of the finger.
[23:30] <cwong1> This is another reason why I suggest to have a special build of xulrunner for the mobile platform.
[23:31] <asac> cwong1: ok i think i understand a bit.
[23:31] <asac> (though i don't understand the point of virtual keyboard hiding parts of the window ... i always thought that the window just resizes)
[23:32] <asac> but that isn't important
[23:32] <asac> in general i agree that it might make sense to fork xulrunner for mobile
[23:32] <cwong1> asac: ok then.  one for mobile.
[23:32] <asac> the only risk i see is that things are done in a hacky fashion
[23:32] <asac> and in the end we will end up in a situation where we cannot get back to mainline
[23:33] <cwong1> well, Any change we make here, I will run it by you from now on.  Will this help?
[23:33] <asac> for instance: the media folder feature could be done in toolkit/ without breaking the normal firefox: e.g. introducing a new autodownload variant, which you can setup and configure
[23:34] <cwong1> asac: ok,  I will let Jimmy know about this.
[23:35] <asac> cwong1: i am fine with this for now. but experience shows that code that landed once will not be touched unless it breaks.
[23:35] <asac> :)
[23:35] <cwong1> heheehe
[23:35] <asac> and usually nobody will want to put more resources into something that already works more or less :)
[23:35] <cwong1> btw, what is responsible for building the xulrunner?
[23:35] <asac> cwong1: at best we could always keep changes to toolkit so minimal that we can maintain .patch files for the _few_ issues we tackle
[23:36] <asac> in that way i can use the same source package.
[23:36] <asac> just patched a bit more for lpia or something
[23:37] <asac> cwong1: what do you mean by "what is responsible" ?
[23:37] <cwong1> s/what/who/
[23:37] <asac> good question.
[23:37] <cwong1> sorry, I was aiming with my daugther on anther pc :(
[23:37] <asac> let me chew this night on this and think about our options
[23:37] <asac> can we chat tomorrow?
[23:38] <cwong1> yes
[23:38] <cwong1> btw,  I tried building it using my midbrowser source tree and it didn't work
[23:38] <asac> ok good. pleas create the branch ... then i can commit the beta 3 merge
[23:38] <asac> cwong1: xulrunner? ... hmm ... maybe we don't have all
[23:39] <asac> sources ... actually for sure we are lacking some files
[23:39] <cwong1> yes I dont think we have all the files for building Xulrunner
[23:39] <asac> but we should really reconsider how we maintain those two
[23:39] <cwong1> I will let you know tomorrow on the branch creation.
[23:39] <cwong1> ok
[23:39] <asac> i will think about it till tomorrow
[23:39] <asac> thanks
[23:39] <cwong1> thanks