[00:02] anyone else having problems w/ sound returning after resuming from suspend on kde4 and gutsy? [00:03] to suspend i'm using the command sudo /etc/acpi/suspend.sh [00:05] jjesse: ive been having sound problems for a long time now [00:05] jjesse: i gave up [00:07] coreymon77: hrmm i'm having problems as well [00:08] i did figure out my hardy upgrade on my ubuntu box though so i feel somewhat successfull [00:09] jjesse: its wasnt hardy for me [00:10] yeah sounds stinks for me on all builds :( [00:11] jjesse: whats the ubotu command to search the apt repos? [00:11] coreymon77: !find package [00:12] as in !find amsn or !find package amsn [00:12] !find amsn [00:12] Found: amsn [00:20] glad i could help :) [00:22] !find jockey [00:22] !info jockey [00:22] Package/file jockey does not exist in gutsy [00:22] Package jockey does not exist in gutsy [00:22] jjesse: Do you know of a small open source project to help me learn either c or python with? I am familiar with java, but would like to learn one of those languages, and maybe contribute actual code. :) [00:22] !info jockey hardy [00:22] Package jockey does not exist in hardy [00:23] kubuntu is a great place to learn python :) [00:23] we use a lot of it :) [00:23] !info jockey-kde [00:23] !info jockey-kde hardy [00:23] Package jockey-kde does not exist in gutsy [00:23] jockey-kde (source: jockey): KDE user interface and desktop integration for driver management. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu5 (hardy), package size 6 kB, installed size 96 kB [00:24] oloughlin75: i'm probablly not the best person to help you out [00:24] as i do documenatation and mostly make a pest of myself to the real developers :) [00:24] lol, alright [00:25] nixternal: can you help oloughlin75 out? [00:26] afk eating dinner [00:26] :) [00:41] any php coders here [00:43] jjesse: :) [00:44] * ryanakca has officially decided that he hates rounded cornners [00:45] ryanakca: dont look pretty enough for you? [00:50] oloughlin75: nah, they're just a pita to implement [00:51] mibbit? [00:51] http://www.andlinux.org/index.php <- that is pretty kick arse [00:51] ya, I am at skewl [00:51] this one classroom blocks all of our ports [00:51] nixternal_: jjesse said to ask you so..... [00:51] ouch [00:51] said to ask me what? [00:51] Do you know of a small open source project to help me learn either c or python with? I am familiar with java, but would like to learn one of those languages, and maybe contribute actual code. :) [00:51] had to find it lol [00:52] you are like me, good with java :) [00:52] umm, I just make stuff up, I learned C++ in school, but I am learning Python now [00:52] there are plenty of projects, but there are a couple of hands-on electronic books for python which are good [00:53] nixternal_: does that really work? [00:53] im not great at learning programming through books, so i am looking for a small project to read through [00:54] but i guess now that i am familiar with java ill understand a book a lot better [00:54] oloughlin75: do you care if it has a frontend (ex: pykde, pyqt, pygtk, etc?) [00:54] oloughlin75: it's best to create your own project for that [00:54] (havent tried lear)arning from a book in over a ye [00:54] oloughlin75: why not just create a (simple) application that you really need [00:54] uga: a the moment i dont need anything :/ [00:55] weird, everyone says "oh, if I had that app in linux..." [00:55] that's how I wrote my first proggie ;) [00:55] oloughlin75 » go check out my compiz configuration program and take a look at how it works. [00:55] where? [00:55] its fairly simple, and I can explan how it works. [00:56] oloughlin75: look through http://www.spoj.pl/ for small exercises [00:56] where are the tutorial day logs? [00:56] ryanakca: ill look at that site, many thanks [00:56] methinks they're still in the #kubuntu topic [00:57] Tutorials Day logs at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KTD [00:57] Scared by C++? Quite right too. Learn how to code graphical apps in an hour with PyKDE 4. [00:57] looks good, lmao [00:57] ryanakca » lol, I never read that :) [01:01] oloughlin75: code a graphical editor for /etc/sudoers [01:01] or, add a proxy question to ubiquity (copying the gtk frontend) [01:01] whats /etc/sudoers? [01:02] config file for sudo [01:02] (been on linux llike a week) [01:03] oloughlin75: ok, here's a better one, learn pykde then write tutorials for it on techbase.kde.org [01:05] ahh, ill mis writing out GUIs ;( [01:05] by hand [01:05] you can if you want :) [01:06] https://downloads.channel8.msdn.com/Products.aspx <- for all of you aspiring windows developers [01:06] free visual studio for students? [01:06] and then some :) [01:06] bleh. [01:07] nixternal_: got to be a member to download ;) [01:07] i'l pass... i'd have to install windows :) [01:07] Riddell: does what work? learning from the hands on e-books? [01:07] I have learned a little bit from it..but actually I have learned more from the PyQt4 book and just trying stuff out on my own...only problem, I can't think of any itches to scratch for writing some code [01:07] nixternal_: You may be the only aspiring Windows developer here. [01:08] :p [01:08] !nixternal [01:08] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [01:08] I am probably the only Windows developer here, or ex-Microsoft employee [01:08] nixternal_: want to add proxy setup to ubiquity? [01:08] nixternal_: your an ex employee? [01:09] Riddell: I can look at it and see if I can work something up...as long as I have an idea of what is supposed to happen of course, and maybe a bit of hand-holding :) [01:09] Riddell: for /etc/sudoers, don't we (Ubuntu) just add users to the "admin" group? [01:09] oloughlin75: yes I am an ex-emp [01:09] nixternal_: how is it working over there? [01:09] nixternal_: Here's an idea for you ... How about an add-on for Kmail to make it pointy click to create your GPG key, add it so your sending acount and upload it to a key server. IIRC there's still CLI needed for some steps in that. [01:09] sucks [01:09] scottk: KGPG [01:09] lol, just making sure :) [01:09] done [01:09] Riddell: btw, I'm interested in the visuder/keditsudoers/etc task... might take me quite a while though :) [01:10] ryanakca: there's many more options for finer grained control [01:10] ryanakca: I often want to set it to not ask for a password but I can never remember the syntax [01:10] nixternal_: From in Kmail? [01:10] pay was OK, benefits were great, but the atmosphere was crappy because I was a nobody...we did some API testing crap and their alpha testing...and even while working there, I didn't use Windows [01:10] dunno about from kmail [01:11] Riddell: set what? sudo / /etc/sudoers ? [01:12] Riddell » you just have to uncomment the one line :) [01:12] nixternal_: whats a good python IDE? I just need a compile/run button [01:12] Riddell: is there any documentation (wiki page) of the proxy stuff that needs to be added to Ubiquity? [01:12] oloughlin75: Eclipse with PyDev [01:12] oloughlin75 » python doesn't compile :) [01:12] interpret and run*** [01:12] there you go :) [01:12] can it compile nativley though? [01:12] I have to admit, mibbit is kind of nice actually [01:13] nixternal_: sent you e-mail [01:13] im used to ecclipse [01:13] python is not meant to be compiled... [01:13] Riddell: groovy, thanks..I will look at it when I get home..I should be leaving class in a little bit [01:14] my head is going to blow up with this DB class... 1NF, 2NF, 3NF, 4NF, BCNF...wth is wrong with the people who created DBs? [01:14] parent key, foreign key, component key, relations (and not with your girlfriend) [01:14] INSANE! [01:15] lol [01:15] nixternal_: shouldn't you be paying attention? [01:15] probably [01:15] tsk tsk [01:15] so far I have done pretty good faking like I know this stuff though [01:15] * Riddell sleeps [01:16] k'nite Riddell [01:16] I just shake my head to make the professor think I know what he is talking about [01:16] lol [01:18] in python is it standard to keep GUI and logic separate? [01:19] oloughlin75 » I don't.... [01:19] but there is always a separate .ui file that is imported that contains the actual GUI [01:20] i mean separation by classes. in java you usually dont mix [01:20] but i suppose this will be mor elike visual basic [01:20] style isnt super important [01:22] I like to code keeping ui and logic separate no matter the language I use [01:22] even java [01:22] yeah.... I have to say, some of my personal use programs are ugly:) [01:23] muhahah, we were just asked what is NULL mean in DB/SQL, and I said "depends on the data type" because that is what it means to me in coding..and I was right [01:23] now the teacher really thinks I know what I am doing [01:23] haha [01:23] ME THE WIN! [01:24] whats mylyn/ [01:24] ? [01:24] people were saying "blank!" "0" "nothing" [01:24] lydev says i need it [01:24] pydev [01:24] I have no idea [01:24] Pydev Mylyn Integration (0.3.0) requires plug-in "org.eclipse.mylyn (2.0.0.v20070627-1400)", or later version. [01:24] press the select required when you go to install PyDev through the Eclipse Installer [01:24] it will find it [01:25] nope [01:25] OK, I am getting ready to head home....so I shall talk to ya in a couple [01:27] oloughlin75 » I don't use eclipse... I detest java so I can't really help :) [01:27] nosrednaekim: what ide do you use? [01:27] I use Kate.... not really an IDE [01:28] whatre the command to run the file? [01:28] python /file/? [01:28] "python file.py" [01:28] alright [01:28] thats simple [01:28] hmm... for the masthead, should it be sharpcorners or rounded corners? [01:28] ill just use geany [01:35] oh my oh my [01:35] no class declaration [01:35] no funstion.method declaration [01:35] function* [01:35] oloughlin75: in python? [01:36] yep [01:36] really weird looking lol [01:37] dunno what you're trying to do, but have you read http://docs.python.org/tut/node11.html or http://www.diveintopython.org/object_oriented_framework/defining_classes.html ? [01:37] ryanakca: im following the tutorial from the tutorial days -- ill read the dive into python after [01:37] its got the whole book [01:37] Ah, well, those two links talk about classes :) [01:38] thats the thing, there arent classes in this program, unless they are implicit [01:39] * ryanakca scratches his head, smiles and nods :) [01:39] lol alright [01:45] how would i get the module pyKDE4.kdecore? [01:46] !find pykde4 [01:46] Package/file pykde4 does not exist in gutsy [01:46] !find pykde4 hardy [01:46] Package/file pykde4 does not exist in hardy [01:47] !find python-kde4 hardy [01:47] Found: python-kde4, python-kde4-dbg, python-kde4-dev, python-kde4-doc [01:47] :P [01:47] meh [01:47] thanks [01:47] np [01:48] !info python-kde4-dev [01:48] Package python-kde4-dev does not exist in gutsy [01:48] !info python-kde4-dev hardy [01:48] python-kde4-dev (source: kdebindings-kde4): KDE4 bindings for Python - Development files and scripts. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.0.0-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 178 kB, installed size 2320 kB [01:48] oloughlin75 » add backports or the kde4 PPA [01:48] alright [01:48] thanks [01:49] to get it for gutsy [01:50] manage repos doesnt do anything:/ [01:50] the thing doesnt come up [01:50] !kde4 [01:50] KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [01:53] nosredna_ekim: its not in backports for gutsy [01:53] mm... ok, then its in the PPA [01:53] ppa? [01:54] personal package archive [01:54] should be on the announcement page [01:54] http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main [01:54] ? [01:55] yeah [01:55] thanks nosredna_ekim [01:55] and whats with the _? [01:56] oloughlin75 » got disconnected and my other nick turned into a ghost [01:58] nosredna_ekim: So who you gonna call? [01:59] nosredna_ekim: /msg nickserv recovery password [01:59] nosredna_ekim: /msg nickserv recovery screenanme password [01:59] nosredna_ekim: /msg nickserv recover screenanme password [01:59] thats it ^ [02:07] Anyone familiar with paintEvents in Qt 4.3? I'm trying to update a rectangle of my QWidget with update(QRect()) but it is acting strangely [02:07] The rectangles are the correct size (between 2 points with a slight margin) but the screen update only happens where rectangles overlap [02:31] Can somebody explain the following line to me? [02:31] params = {"server":"mpilgrim", "database":"master", "uid":"sa", "pwd":"secret"} [02:32] it -looks- like an array of strings [02:32] but what are the colons? [02:38] oloughlin75: python? [02:39] It looks like a dictionary [02:39] dictionary [02:39] and whats a dictionary? [02:40] server, database, uid, pwd are the lookup strings [02:40] the others are what you get when you look them up [02:40] ie [02:40] params["server"] = "mpilgrim" [02:40] so its almost like variable declaration:what it contains? [02:40] and its making an array like that [02:41] oloughlin75: a dictionary, more commonly known as a map [02:41] think this: variable server = "mpilgrim", variable database = "master" and so on [02:41] ok [02:41] thanks [02:41] but located inside the dictionary [02:42] alright [02:42] or damn, just like wolf08_ said, didn't see that: [ wolf08_] params["server"] = "mpilgrim" [02:42] =p [02:44] alright... [02:44] i get it :) [02:44] thanks [02:45] beginner books suck at explaining tihngs ;s [02:45] Absolutely [02:45] I learned python through examples more or less [02:46] map = " a collection of ket-to-value mappings, where both key and map can be any object..." [02:46] so much more easier to understand [02:46] Although ironically I find programming Qt4 with C++ easier than programming in Python because everything is so much more structured and concrete [02:46] wolf08_: thats one thing i like about java [02:47] more detail almost [02:47] I never got into java. Dunno why. [02:47] syntax is similar to c++ [02:47] making classes is different but its more or less the same [02:48] python is reminding me of visual basic a little :/ [02:48] =/ [02:49] I do like the simplicity of python for quick scripting [02:49] I.E. in calc I'll be asked something that requires some sort of recursion or graph or anything that I can see a computer doing quickly [02:49] And I can model it with python almost instantaniously [02:50] its take hours to write something like that in java [02:50] Converging series wher eI spet out every nth term? Yeah. Fractals? Yeah. Graphs? Yeah. [02:50] to get the gui to draw [02:50] Heh [03:31] evening :) [03:31] night === dasKreech_ is now known as DaSKreech === bobesponja is now known as seandrive [05:43] hi! when running "Xephyr :1" i got the error "Extended Input Devices not yet supported. bla bla bla" whats the matter? [06:22] hiya Hobbsee [06:22] heya! [06:23] I am this >.< close to getting the proxy stuff in advanced working for ubiquity kde, but for some stinkin' reason, the kde frontend isn't detecting http_proxy :/ [07:58] one thing i have to talk directly here [07:59] a majority of people likes KDE [07:59] a totality of east asian people require automatic availability of input methods (SCIM) [07:59] but when these two requirements come together, [07:59] kubuntu fails to meet them both. [08:00] the solution? [08:00] first, don't use skim. [08:00] skim only makes trouble. [08:00] use scim directly. [08:00] scim has a gtk2 front end that stays in the GNOME or KDE taskbar tray area [08:01] !enter [08:01] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [08:01] all you need to do is to abandon skim and instead configure scim correctly [08:01] lol [08:01] seriously. It sucks to come into a channel and have it filled with a monologue [08:02] It's not really Laugh Out Loud material either. [08:02] last line: fedora 8 kde livecd does this perfectly. they don't have skim and they just configure scim (along with its input methods) correctly for kde. here's a screenshot: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/fedora8.png?gda=NtqQQTwAAADWsl4Y8OducPseo6poK2clSxQ0LQgg5yz2tq3MgbcAIWG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDTzV980_yfTP0F2XnxqzJt2 [08:02] sorry for long link. but going to tinyurl is tough [08:03] skim is also not something for Kubuntu to abandon. Kubuntu didn't create it. in fact, skim is an official scim project: http://www.scim-im.org/projects/skim [08:03] i think it deserves a monologue because this really is THE LAST STEP you guys need to make toward world domination [08:04] Jucato: then either you guys haven't configured it with scim along with those scim input methods correctly or you should just get rid of it and directly work on scim auto-configuration [08:05] it would be better if you filed bug reports (or confirm already filed reports) on actual problems encountered with skim because "kubuntu fails to meet both" is very vague [08:06] actually i filed one [08:06] i meant kubuntu failed to configure skim/scim/im-switch/etc correctly for kde [08:07] hm... maybe freeflying can be of some assistance in this area (he's from China iirc) [08:07] so that after i add Chinese in System Settings i can't see input methods available in the tray [08:08] currently, the chinese channel uses an improvised Guide to manually configure kubuntu for input methods [08:08] which is not acceptable to me [08:09] my bug report is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181300 [08:09] Launchpad bug 181300 in unidistro-kde-desktop "Kubuntu East Asian language display and input not as good as Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] [08:09] maybe i should add this monologue to it as a new comment [08:09] fair enough. but you also have to consider we don't have much Chinese/East Asian devs on the Kubuntu team... so any help we can get is much appreciated (it would be great if someone from the Chinese channel(s) helped) [08:10] * Jucato is from SE Asia, but we don't have our own alphabet :( [08:10] s/alphabet/writing method/ [08:10] you just hack into redhat/fedora and see how they do it [08:10] redhat is really the grandpa in linux commoditization [08:11] yay! I just love being commanded to do stuff :) [08:11] * jussi01 hugs Jucato [08:11] double hilight Jucato :P [08:11] heheh [08:12] right... I'll just poke freeflying later about this. that's as far as I can personally do [08:12] in my opinion, this bug is the one and only one thing you guys should attend [08:12] yay! I just love "my bug is the only bug worth focusing on" commands :) [08:12] there is english setup instructions on SCIM's official site [08:12] yao_ziyuan: there are about 10000000 such bugs, depending on who you are [08:13] Jucato, jussi01: i mean it [08:13] Jucato, jussi01: no joking [08:13] jussi01: c'mon! let's forget about the rest of the world [08:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InputMethods/SCIM/Setup [08:14] Jucato: heheheheheh... meh Im in the frozen north, who cares about you lot over there :P [08:14] it is very easy to test whether you have solved the problem [08:14] yao_ziyuan: your request was reasonable until now. now, it's no longer a request. and, after what you said, *if* I were the person working on it, I would seriously lose interest. [08:15] jussi01: like I said, I'm not affected. we don't use a different script/alphabet here :) [08:15] well! [08:15] let me help you guys [08:15] i will go download an ISO of Kubuntu 7.10 [08:15] install it as a virtual machine [08:15] and figures out a procedure to configure scim correctly on it [08:16] yao_ziyuan: why dnt you fix the bug, submit a deb diff and we can make sure it gets uploaded :) [08:16] my procedure will be totally without skim. just like fedora/redhat. [08:16] will you guys accept a patch like that? [08:16] yao_ziyuan: you are monologuing again... [08:16] diff? i don't know the syntax/format however [08:17] i can give you guys a procedure of console commands [08:17] you guys make it a script [08:17] and on the event that the user adds an east asian language in kubuntu's System Settings, [08:18] make sure that script run [08:18] all right? [08:18] okay me and i will start working [08:21] or give that link to your chinese peer and let him do it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InputMethods/SCIM/Setup === hunger_t is now known as hunger [08:35] <_StefanS_> mornings [08:43] Riddell: do you have a stable image for testing yet? === John4rper is now known as GNUcoso === \sh_away is now known as \sh === xRaich[o12x is now known as xRaich[o]2x === GNUcoso is now known as GNU === GNU is now known as GNU`afk === GNU`afk is now known as notUNG`afk [10:11] i wonder if anything ensued after my departure... [10:12] hi yao_ziyuan, what's the problem with skim? [10:12] first of all, we can do without it [10:12] second, [10:13] there are two symptoms. [10:14] the first symptom is: when you freshly install a Kubuntu 7.10, and add language Chinese in it System Settings, [10:14] and restart system, you get no input methods available in the tray area [10:15] the most typical symptom with skim is simply that when you left-click its tray icon, it shows an empty menu (the menu is supposed to be a list of input methods) [10:15] thus, by default, skim does not provide any input method list [10:16] are you using qt-language-selector? [10:16] symptom #2 is mostly my personal problem. i somehow ruined skim configuration once and every time i click "Global Setup" in its Configuration dialog box, it crashed. never mind. [10:16] qt-language-selector? i don't know. i know i added Chinese in Kubuntu's System Settings [10:17] i'm now redownloading the Kubuntu ISO file [10:17] but, [10:17] one good news i found last time with Kubuntu is that [10:17] if i choose Chinese to be the "installation language" when installing the Kubuntu Live CD to my hard disk (actually the hard disk of a virtual machine), [10:18] i can get immediate availability of a correctly configured SCIM tray icon after installation [10:18] but it's not SKIM. so everything points that we have less trouble without SKIM [10:19] when i left-click that SCIM tray icon, there will be a menu of some input methods [10:20] but that approach has its own problem: its font for displaying english is a monowidth one (a Chinese font) and i can't fix it [10:22] to be more current, [10:22] i will download Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 4 [10:23] and figure out what is missing for the input methods after adding Chinese === meduxa is now known as toscalix [10:26] my experience is that skim itself is buggy and is an additional weak point in the whole cycle [10:27] currently i know 3 ways to get scim working under KDE, and none of them involves skim. [10:27] yao_ziyuan: hrm, trouble is we're a pure kde distro and don't install gtk apps by default [10:27] way #1: install ubuntu, install chinese (this gets scim ready), and then install kubuntu-desktop, and then log in with a kde session, and now you can press Ctrl+Space to invoke an input method. [10:27] Riddell: so you're so "pure"... [10:28] modulo openoffice. [10:28] #2: install kubuntu and choose chinese as the "installation language" at the very first page of the installation wizard. you will see the scim tray icon after installation. [10:29] #3: install fedora 8 kde live cd and then add chinese language support in its Control Center. [10:29] davmor2: do give today's daily-live CD a shot [10:29] wow, yet another monologue! [10:29] jussi01: it's useful [10:29] Riddell: np [10:29] these 3 success stories say that skim is unnecessary and only makes trouble. [10:30] jussi01: let him be. Riddell's here to listen, so it's more appropriate. :) wonder if freeflying is around [10:30] i know there is a mood among western developers that "east asian features don't matter" [10:31] yao_ziyuan: weird I haven't seen that [10:31] I wouldn't say that [10:31] but sophisticated companies like microsoft and redhat emphasize those things (e.g. localization) very much [10:31] yao_ziyuan: that's actually not true. but pointing out that your problem is the only problem that deserves to be focused on is not nice [10:31] i even see gcc's output messages totally localized to chinese in fedora 8 [10:34] Jucato: from the global perspective, this bug is the most important thing. if i were a westerner, i would think kubuntu is already perfect :) [10:34] but the world is somewhat interdependent now [10:35] yao_ziyuan: big difference between "very important and needs to be addressed ASAP" and "most important and all others pale in comparison" [10:36] the problem is that this distro has a name "human" [10:36] so that makes this very funny [10:39] Riddell: you're a pure kde distro and don't install gtk apps by default, but scim itself is a gtk app... [10:41] and isn't kubuntu the one that can put a kde theme to all gtk2 apps? [10:42] trust me, the end user doesn't really care if you're "pure" [10:43] scim is gtk+, skim is kde [10:44] yao_ziyuan: if you install chinese from qt-language-selector it does install scim [10:46] I wonder why this "human" bit means we should stop everything else to fix scim/skim issue === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger [11:00] yao_ziyuan: in " #1: install ubuntu, install chinese", how do you install chinese? [11:02] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily-live/20080220/ so...very...close... [11:02] but no universe :( [11:04] hi, did anyone suffer from problems with suspend to ram? [11:04]