[00:11] aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity [00:11] so compiz is a window manager. i thought it was just an effects..."engine" [00:12] flipstar: "did you update?" [00:13] it seems like compiz just isn't running. [00:13] can someone please pastebin me the sources.list for Hardy? === mssever is now known as mssever|away [00:19] compiz isn't working when i log in, and won't fall back to metacity. [00:20] !compiz [00:20] Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion [00:20] what is jockey? [00:21] !info jockey-common hardy [00:21] jockey-common (source: jockey): user interface and desktop integration for driver management. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu5 (hardy), package size 38 kB, installed size 872 kB [00:23] cool [00:23] exactly how unstable is hardy lol [00:26] unstable [00:26] to me.. [00:27] but at least it allows me to see my mouse arrow as an arrow instead of a white block, so i'm stuck with it. [00:27] here it is rock stable [00:28] except few exceptions [00:32] Hardy is not unstable as in "crashes a lot" (although this may well be the case, too). Hardy is unstable as in "don't expect what works to day to work tomorrow". [00:37] good point [00:50] anyone have a bookmark explaining the difference in ubuntu kernels? [00:50] generic-server-rt? [00:50] realtime [00:50] rt is for realtime apps mostly [00:50] right [00:57] yes [00:57] brb [00:57] updates are finally fixed [01:05] (06:57:46 PM) Tuv0k: updates are finally fixed [01:05] current topic is: Yes, python-central is broken (bug #192992). | [01:05] Launchpad bug 192992 in python-central "[hardy] pycentral crashed with ValueError in parse_versions()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192992 [01:05] is that that? [01:05] it is fixed anyway [01:07] shouldn't the status be in Progress or Fix committed? [01:09] right the topic also should have changed [01:10] how do you mount a usb stick as /cdrom in the alt installer? [01:26] Why isn't Songbird packaged for Hardy? [01:26] How come Songbird isn't packaged for Hardy? [01:28] RyanPrior: Because no one has packaged it yet? === macd_ is now known as macd [01:28] RyanPrior: Because no one is interested enough to package it? [01:30] I really need to learn how to create debian packages. [01:30] * danielm updating [01:31] RyanPrior: Heh. That's why *I* know how to create debian packages :) [01:31] RAOF: I've got a laundry list of programs I'd love to see packaged. [01:32] Now I just gotta learn how to do it rather than filing needs-packaging bugs. :-) [01:44] wtf/ my shift key is broken. [01:44] and pgup is stuck. [01:44] this is really getting annoying1 [01:44] can't even ctrl-alt-backspace1 [01:45] Your keyboard sucks. I don't have any problems :) [01:45] Or maybe compiz is messing with your head. [01:46] I had to sysrq-k it. [01:46] It's not my keyboard. [01:46] It's Xorg. [01:46] My Xorg loves me. [01:46] Even when I use compiz. [01:49] Try going to this page in Firefox, and holding pgdn. But make sure to save work first, since you may have to alt-sysrq-k Xorg. [01:49] http://connect.creativelabs.com/linux/Lists/Driver%20Issues/AllItems.aspx [01:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 [01:51] Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/185208 [01:52] Launchpad bug 185208 in ubuntu "Ctrl+Alt keys "stuck"" [Undecided,Incomplete] [01:53] DanaG: Paged up & down several times all the way; no problems. [01:53] Odd. [01:54] Hmm, this time it didn't get stuck. [01:54] I mean, I just tried it again, and it didn't get stuck. [01:54] okay, i think i figured it out; [01:55] try vscrolling with mouse and pressing pgup or pgdn at the same time. [01:55] ... and I got it unstuck again by doing the same. [01:56] DanaG: oh, -that- worked. [01:56] Last night, I got my ctrl key stuck, but then managed to sysrq-R and then reapply xkbconfig to unstick it... [01:57] however, my touchpad still thought the ctrl key was stuck down. [01:57] It was reeally really odd. [01:57] how does one unstick it, again/ [01:57] same thing. [01:57] scroll wildly while holding the same key. [01:58] Ah, there we go. [01:58] Right, bug confirmed. [01:58] When I unstuck my keyboard last night, all keyboard shortcuts broke due to the magic-sysrq; however, ctrl-c and such in console still worked.... but, when I tried to click or scroll with my touchpad, I got ctrl+whatever. [02:00] Another thing that makes the keyboard stickyness worse is using evdev for keyboard. When I did that, I'd get 'super' stuck just about every single time I used it. [02:00] s/used it/used it with Compiz, especially on scrolling/ [02:04] great, ctrl key is being buggy. [02:04] Press ctrl-a-a, you get the letter 'a' and then a select-all. Oh, and key repeat isn't working. [02:08] Another odd thing is that holding both ctrl keys at once, and then pressing a letter, gives no output in xev. [02:10] Gah. It breaks key-repeat. [02:11] yeah, really irritating. [02:11] why dont you file bug reports instead [02:12] Because I've only just managed to reproduce it. I will be hunting for a bug to add this to, though. [02:12] Also try typing stuff and then doing ctrl-a to select all. [02:13] Nah, that works for me. [02:13] Often you'll get the letter 'a' three times before the ctrl-a takes effect. [02:13] s/you/I/ [02:13] As long as emacs & screen are sufficient guides. [02:13] I mean, ctrl-a-a-a-a gives aaa [02:13] 'xev' is useful, too. [02:14] And 'CONTROL_L' + 'CONTROL_R' + 'a' gives nothing whatsoever. [02:16] hardy is broken at the moment. for those who are running 2.6.24-8 and all things python related. be patient/ [02:20] * DanaG hits ctrl-alt-backspace again... grrr. [02:20] oops, didn't work. [02:21] Time for magic sysrq again! Lovely! [02:21] state 0xc, keycode 22 (keysym 0xfed5, Terminate_Server), same_screen YES, [02:22] in XEV. Odd... ctrl-alt-backspace is being passed to xev. That's really odd. [02:23] Are there Virtualbox kernel modules available for the latest Hardy kernel? [02:23] (EE) Error loading keymap /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm [02:24] RyanPrior: debian 412437 [02:24] Debian bug 412437 in wnpp "ITP: songbird -- desktop Web player, a digital jukebox and Web browser" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/412437 [02:24] I believe I mentioned as much in #ubuntu-motu not too long ago [02:24] The debian bug tracker sucks. I'm not a member of the Debian community, don't intend to join, and so I can't even look at their bugs? Fuck them. [02:25] huh? [02:25] that Web page is very much public. What are you on about? [02:25] Ah, it's a bug in my system. Fuck me for jumping to conclusions. === crimsun_ changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy in #ubuntu | If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", update without checking what is to be updated, or do not know how to resolve dependencies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY | Help test LTS upgrade: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto [02:26] (python-central fixed) [02:28] The main problem with Ubuntu at this point is lack of support for networking in Nautilus due to gvfs. I wish they had waited longer to integrate it. [02:29] yay [02:31] are python related upgrades available now [02:34] Time to purge and reinstall xorg, after saving xorg.conf... [03:00] What's the ubotu 'what package has this file' command? [03:00] !find [03:00] Sorry, I don't know anything about find - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [03:00] Hey, ubotu. I put a space in front of that so that you wouldn't catch it! [03:01] /var/lib/xkb [03:01] !find /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm [03:01] Package/file /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm does not exist in hardy [03:01] (EE) Error loading keymap /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm [03:03] Keymap not loading might explain some of these issues. [03:03] !find /var/lib/xkb/ [03:03] Package/file /var/lib/xkb/ does not exist in hardy [03:05] For now, I'm booting Windows because having broken repeat is really a blocker for productivity. [03:06] can anyone else get help from chanserv? [03:09] Hey guys, I've got a question as to how Dapper -> Hardy upgrades are working if there's no linux-image-686 transitional packages in hardy? (or at least, not on the alt CD or in packages.ubuntu.com) [03:09] dapper -> hardy? [03:09] yikes [03:10] lts -> lts [03:10] yah [03:10] is being tested and perfected [03:10] is ESSENTIAL [03:10] bderrly: thanks for testing that [03:10] lamalex, hmm? [03:11] oh, I thought you were testing it sorry [03:11] :P [03:11] right, but I was under the impression (about a year ago) that itd just have appropriate transitional packages, and would be like anything else. But I don't see those trans packages, so wondering how its actually done [03:11] I have no idea [03:11] did you look in the wiki? [03:11] or launchpad? [03:11] The don't really specify. Unless I'm looking in the wrong places [03:12] I actually just popped in for help with this -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/193561 [03:12] Launchpad bug 193561 in rhythmbox "MTP plugin lacks proper permissions to interface with device" [Undecided,New] [03:12] if anyone has an MTP based device with the same problem [03:16] hello, i love firefox 3, but some of teh addons that i require to do my work (firebug in particular) do not work. how can i install firefox 2? [03:17] it upgraded to 3 a while ago [03:17] phroughy: often you can install ff2 addons in ff3 if you just edit the file that sets a max version [03:17] also, check the development sites of the plugins you use for beta ff3 versions [03:18] lamalex: ok, i will try that, were is the file that sets a max version? [03:18] i forget off hand, it's a .rft file [03:18] just save the .xpi to disk, open it with your archiver program and edit that file [03:18] k, thanks [03:18] yup [03:18] good luck [03:18] phroughy, i don't see any ff2 packages in the repos anymore, but i'm willing to bet there is some user that was annoyed by the switch and has made a ff2 deb [03:19] or pull it down from mozilla [03:30] I came back; office 2003 is too ugly for me to bear. [03:31] lol. [03:31] miss the ribbons? [03:32] lamalex: well i edited the rdf inside the xpi, now how do i install it to ff3 [03:32] Actually, it's just that Office 2003 under Vista looks fugly. It totally ignores the OS coloring, and draws its own controls. [03:35] Oh, and I figured out that error -- it's a decoy. I was giving 'setxkbmap' an invalid parameter and it was manifesting as not creating a temp file it needed to create. [03:35] drag and drop [03:35] open up add-ons, and drop the xpi into it [03:36] i figured it out (i think) by right click->open with-> then type firefox [03:36] and it works like a charm! [03:36] thank you lamalax! [03:36] lamalax++ === lamalex is now known as lamalex_1 [03:37] ! === lamalex_1 is now known as lamalex [03:38] Oh, another odd thing: my taskbar is showing all windows from all workspaces, despite me having set it to only show the current workspace. [03:40] DanaG: ensure that "number of desktops" is set to 1 [03:41] it is set to 1, but it's not ACTING like it's set to 1. [03:41] any one else having problems with gnome-clock? [03:41] My pager is switching between different cubes, it seems. [03:43] Hmm, if I set it to 2 and then back to 1, it works properly now. [03:53] i see google earth and sketchup aren't in the partner repositories yet [03:54] whoa, neither is picasa [03:54] if they could take care of that before hardy is released, it'd be great [03:55] i'm sure google would be quite happy to see that happen [03:55] as well as everyone not 1337 enough to use blender [03:55] ..or who doesn't want to have to open a web browser just to install google earth [03:55] should i put this in ideapool, or is it good enough just to have said what i did? [03:56] isn't the partner repo generally lacking during the development phase? [03:56] is there a masters of the multiverse channel? [03:56] oh, well if that's the case, that's fine [03:56] #motu [03:56] i just want to be sure those are in there before release [03:56] ubuntu-moto sorry [03:56] motu jeeze [03:56] ^_^ [03:56] #ubuntu-motu [03:56] I'm getting tired [03:57] thanks [04:00] =^_^= //o_O\\ [04:01] the folks on #ubuntu-motu have no clue [04:01] where i should go with this idea.. [04:06] email someone at canonical [04:06] the partner repo isn't community maintained [04:06] it's maintained by Canonical and their partners [04:07] Canonical are generally pretty quick to reply [04:07] How does canonical make money? Are they still on 'startup' funding? [04:08] they have a lot of commercial service to companies [04:08] support I suppose is more accurate [04:09] and Mark Shuttleworth is a multimillionaire [04:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth [04:09] haha not the most flattering picture [04:11] I first heard of Ubuntu in 2005, I think. [04:11] Oh hey, you know that new wallpaper? I think that'd make an awesome laptop case skin. [04:12] http://hp.skinit.com/skins/hpmtv_exclusive&resourceId=5654 [04:12] http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/ [05:05] grrr [05:05] forgot about the pycentral thing [05:05] dammit [05:07] anybody else have their audio reversed after some recent updates? [05:35] . [06:10] cwillu, my headphone port on my laptop isn't working after -5->-8. [06:29] Hello all. I accidentally left a hardy repo enable and now I am trying to figure out which packages got installed (not many) so I can downgrade them back to gutsy. Is there an easy way to do this? [06:31] /var/log/dpkg.log [06:38] quick Q - when is beta out? [06:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule [06:53] Gumby, synaptic, remove the hardy apt line, and then pull up the 'local or obsolete packages' view [06:53] cwillu: ah cool. thak you [07:13] Does PulseAudio come with a mixer [07:22] Everyone go to bed now that Python is fixed [07:22] i candie happy [07:23] so is a bunch of other stuff [07:25] Oh hey, anybody here have the "ADI1981" audio codec? [07:25] AD1988 here [07:27] Hmm, I can't find anything for 1981, so perhaps it's a typo. [07:27] I was looking at the specs in the service manual of some HP business laptop (considering future purchase). [07:28] aah. http://www.dsprelated.com/showmessage/10596.php?Sort=mostrecentfirst [07:29] http://www.analog.com/en/subCat/0,2879,765%255F803%255F0%255F%255F0%255F,00.html [07:30] Thanks! [07:31] another anti-ISP Digg article [07:31] all those poor people who don't know about copowi [07:31] i hope we can put an end to this madness within the next year [07:32] If I believed the time of birth made any difference at all in how human a person is, I'd really be supporting Obama about now [07:33] But there's still a chance for a Huckabee/Paul ticket.. [07:33] well, my update manager isn't complaining at me.. [07:33] so i guess my hardy install is currently happy ;) [07:33] ...which is a bit of relief [07:33] my god. the other room is always such a mess. :\ [07:33] makes me angry at times. [07:34] Is alpha5 looking like it'll be on time? [07:34] i hope so. :) i am excite! [07:34] i waited up really late for alpha4 i think.. [07:34] ...yeah.... [07:34] did they fix the python thing? its no longer in the message topic thing. [07:34] i'm prepared to give them an extra week though [07:34] motd, whatever. [07:34] i think they did [07:35] good deal. now if only ubuntu would work in kvm. i would be more excite. [07:35] hmm [07:35] i might just have to try a live cd. they run so slow though. :\ [07:35] i never virtualize [07:35] no kvm for me without intel VT [07:35] do the C2D chips have VT? [07:35] yes [07:36] ok [07:36] lower end like my E4300 not [07:36] i suppose that may come in handy [07:36] you have to enable it in bios then reboot. [07:36] but as WINE rolls on, it may not be needed at all [07:36] interesting [07:36] if you have a laptop you have to remove the battery and ac! hard reboot haha. [07:36] it's a laptop [07:36] i dont use it for windows apps. i use it for class. [07:36] oh? [07:37] ah. do you have a option in bios? [07:37] by the way, can we spoof the mac TPM yet? [07:37] i haven't looked yet [07:37] you should. [07:37] ok [07:37] afaik all core 2's have it. [07:37] you'll have to remove the battery (with ac cord unpluged) to get it to work. [07:37] Apple should be split into two companies [07:37] forcibly [07:37] thats the one step they dont tell you about. lol. [07:38] AtomicSpark: i've said you not all c2d support VT [07:38] are you sure? [07:39] Intel VT was officially launched at the Intel Developer Forum Spring 2005. It is available on certain Pentium 4 6x1 and 6x2 models,[2] Pentium D 9x0,[3] Xeon 3xxx/5xxx/7xxx, Core Duo[4] (excluding the T2300E and T2x50 models) and Core 2 Duo[5] processors (excluding the T52x0, T5300, T54x0, T5500 with stepping "B2", E2xx0, E4x00 and E8190 models). [07:39] (c)wiki [07:39] well there you go. lol. [07:40] mine is the T7250 [07:40] * DanaG already has a TPM chip. [07:41] :( [07:41] no wait [07:41] anyways kvm is a quick and simple way to run linux/windows guests for testing/college :P [07:41] vmware server is nice for windows. [07:41] a TPM or mac TPM? [07:42] what is this... TPM [07:42] and obsession with macs [07:42] apple is evil [07:42] they use a Trusted Platform Module to see that OSX cannot run on non-Apple hardware [07:42] ..they should be split like Bell [07:42] lol [07:42] AtomicSpark: 1st one should buy windows with approrpiate license, for example vista ultimate is required for runnin in VM [07:42] so they're doing what IBM did years ago. [07:43] but will linux user buy a windows, thats a question [07:43] zqwe: business edition worked in my kvm. i don't get this "non-activation" issue [07:44] Dang, that adi1981 is only 48KHz. [07:44] Actually, apple doesn't use TPM. [07:44] oh would you quit poping in our conversation. yo're confusing me. [07:44] *you [07:45] spark: k [07:45] Sure. [07:45] AtomicSpark: yeah business count too, but not home premium [07:45] dana: close enough: evil chip that restricts stuff [07:45] well. home is a joke. too many missing things i need. [07:45] that's what i said about windows [07:45] see. all of you forget. [07:45] sorry [07:45] this has all been done before. [07:45] spark: shutting up [07:46] IBM had proprietary [07:46] so did dell [07:46] IBM had their own memory [07:46] no wait that was HP [07:46] haha [07:46] that was a big scam [07:46] mostly happened on servers though [07:49] What about HP? Sorry, missed the conversation. [07:49] had proprietary memory in their servers [07:49] if you used other memory, it wouldnt boot [07:50] but yes. apple is the scammer these days. [07:50] and microsoft is dying. [07:50] Or at least, the OS division. [07:51] no. not talkinga bout windows. [07:51] everything. [07:51] they're run out of ideas. [07:51] thats why they went after yahoo. [07:51] their search engine failed. they're live thing didnt do so well. [07:51] they just cant expand anymore. [07:51] they need money bad D: [07:52] intel isnt doing well either [07:52] everyone says how bad amd was doing but nobody notices that intel had to cut everything in order to keep its shares up [07:52] tis bad. very bad right now. [07:53] AMD is 'losing' right now, but they still have big OEM business, so they'll stay up. [07:53] we're talkinga bout companies here. not whos processor is better :P [07:53] intel lost its networking, sound, everything cept for processors and soon to be video cards. [07:54] all because it decided to close a plant in india [07:54] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> firefox3 is not saving my passwords [07:54] What's wrong with Intel networking? [07:54] they cut it. [07:54] to save money. [07:54] DanaG: expensive [07:54] By 'losing', I meant performance; by 'stay up', I meant, "who cares about the performance? that's not all that makes a business." [07:55] considering you can get other cards for cheaper raters [07:55] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> lol, intel cut their networking line? [07:55] Aah, wireless. [07:55] they're no longer making it. they are only making processors now. they cut everything else. [07:55] I was thinking of the GbE. [07:55] thats why their stock is still up. [07:55] D: [07:55] Intel is discontinued? Are you serious? [07:55] Link me. [07:55] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> seems like it's due to the pressure of nvidia buying amd? [07:56] nvidia buying amd ?!?!? [07:56] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> there are rumors... [07:56] haha [07:56] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> amd is losing money since they got ati [07:56] they've tried to before [07:56] i dont think nvidia can afford buying amd mate [07:56] it wont happen [07:56] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> amd is not worth that much anymore [07:56] they can have a strategic alliance [07:57] the technology market is very bad right now. [07:57] everything is bad actually. :\ [07:57] true.. all desktops are pretty much up2date [07:57] Oh, just RUMORS of intel closing wifi. [07:57] aah. [07:57] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> and if they keep delaying the release of new cpus, god knows what will happen [07:57] the only place they can look into is mobile computing and variants and servers [07:57] I just hope I'll be able to buy ATI video with confidence by summer. [07:58] perhaps even faster i/o communication [07:58] imma ask my source if he can link me to any articles [07:59] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> anyway, anybody here knows how to let firefox3 save my passwords? [08:00] but yeah we were talking about amd/ati and my teacher said that intel cut a lot. maybe not everything but they aren't trying to expand out like they did before. [08:00] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> there are rumors that ibm gonna buy amd too... [08:00] lol [08:00] rumors [08:01] thats just as bad as microsoft getting yahoo [08:01] things should never happen [08:01] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> but i would like to see ibm comes back to desktop field [08:01] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i don't really like intel that much.. personally [08:01] yeah. their huge mistake was letting microsoft make windows 1.0 [08:02] oh no. its just a simple shell for DOS. nothing to worry about. [08:02] lol gates big scam. [08:02] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> it's pretty much for sure ms gonna buy yahoo [08:02] thats number 2 and number 3 combining. that cant happen. [08:02] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> yahoo is just holding back for a higher price [08:03] thats evil [08:03] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i'd glad to see that happen, i dont think they gonna beat google anyway [08:03] but see you cant suppor this stuff [08:03] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> and i'd like to c ms losing money due to bad decisions [08:03] all microsoft does is buy out companies and rebrand it [08:03] its like disney [08:03] ugh. [08:04] so much wrong in the world. [08:04] hahahaa [08:04] close your eyes and sit down [08:04] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> we are just talking here, im not able to give u any source atm [08:04] Apple buys out companies and KILLS them, instead. [08:04] Look at Fingerworks. [08:04] well we all know apple turned into what microsoft was a few years ago [08:05] as long as apple keeps on pushing the limits of how users can interact with computers, good for them [08:05] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> for me, ms is always making bad decisions since vista coming out [08:05] microsofts problem was that its a business company. business HATE change. [08:05] thats why their operating system hasnt changed since 1995 [08:05] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> ms doesn't really know y they couldn't beat google [08:05] its just prettier. a few patches here and there. [08:05] Bring back fingerworks! [08:06] because google is awesome [08:06] It was a godsend for people with physical disabilities -- example: a person I know who has malformed fingers. [08:06] nvidia said they will be bigger than intel in some years [08:06] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> they just think money can solve everything [08:06] But apple KILLED it. [08:06] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> and i would like to see ms spend all their money and reaches nothing and then DIE [08:06]