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CIA-44partman-target: evand * r700 partman-target.ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 52ubuntu607:44
TheMusoevand: Are you going to be around for a while?07:59
evandTheMuso: I can be for a little while longer, but as it's 3am I would like to get to bed soonish.08:00
evandStill, if this is the best time for you, I can bite that bullet08:00
TheMusoevand: Ok, just quickly, you mentioned dmraid in your report. It turns out it has no way of notifying a user if the array is degraded, and still lets the system boot. It also has no way of rebuilding the array within Linux.08:01
evandoo, fantastic08:01
TheMusoI mentioned this in my activity report, which pitti asked me about. I said we shouldn't include it, but other opinions are welcome08:01
TheMusoIf you and cjwatson could possibly have a look at the thread and reply with your thoughts.08:02
evandI could've sworn this was handled a while back -- but I definitely don't remember it not notifying the OS being an issue discussed08:02
TheMusoWell all that I noticed was a single error on VC1 during boot.08:02
TheMusoAnd, acording to upstream, rebuilding arrays is coming, but likely won't be here for hardy.08:02
cjwatsonif Windows (say) is already installed on dmraid, can you even use the system properly at all without dmraid?08:03
TheMusoSo... Basically I'm wondering whether I should still spend time fixing partman-dmraid bugs.08:03
evandwell, cjwatson can speak on timelines better than I can, but my understanding was that the chances of getting this all done for Hardy was slim at best.08:03
cjwatsonI haven't read the mail yet though08:04
TheMusocjwatson: Dmraid tells the kernel devmapper to create the device nodes, according to what dmraid reads from the metadataat the end of the drive.08:04
TheMusoSo unless you want to destroy your windows install, you have to use dmraid to boot and install the OS.08:04
TheMusoAs well as preventing the destruction of RAID metadata at the end of the disk.08:04
cjwatsonright, so my concern is that "completely broken" => "works although with some nasty bugs" may still be worthwhile08:05
cjwatsonand we may just have to do our best to mitigate the nastiness08:05
cjwatsonI don't think we have time to do much of significance with partman-dmraid08:05
cjwatsonbut may be able to do some initramfs checks to make dmraid work more smoothly?08:05
TheMusoOne thing pitti asked me is how the user could rebuild the array, and afaik the only way is while in WIndows, or using the controller's BIOS, if it allows you to do so.08:05
cjwatsonbut, I should really read your mail and follow up to that08:06
TheMusocjwatson: Probably not, but I'd like to at least fix the bug where if you init a partition table on a dmraid pair of disks, that it doesn't bomb out.08:06
TheMusoYeah probably best taken there, as it will all depend on whether we have to ask for MIRs to be re-examined.08:07
TheMusoBut it comes down to whether I should keep on working on it.08:07
TheMusoAnyway, thanks for both your time.08:08
cjwatsonfor the time being, I think yes, but if it's still outstanding next week we will need to revisit that08:08
TheMusoI'll see what can be scraped out of dmraid to get some better error reporting.08:09
TheMusoDoesn't help that it only gives 2 error codes however.08:09
TheMuso0 for success, or 1 for any error.08:09
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xivulonIs there any intrinsic advantage in mounting the root device r/o in the initrd and then remounting it r/w at init?14:04
cjwatsonyes, you can't mount read-write until you've fscked it14:06
cjwatsonor at least shouldn't14:06
xivulonI am asking because at the moment loopinstallation host is mounterd rw to begin with (from gutsy)14:07
xivuloneven though remounting should now work, I was wondering if it is worth changing that14:07
xivulonbut ntfs fsck does not work anyway14:07
xivulonI'd guess we can leave it rw for the time being then14:08
CIA-44ubiquity: evand * r2472 ubiquity/debian/po/ (79 files): debconf-updatepo14:21
CIA-44ubiquity: evand * r2473 ubiquity/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Forgot to bump to 1.7.914:25
CIA-44ubiquity: evand * r2474 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):14:27
CIA-44ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer14:27
CIA-44ubiquity:  1.86ubuntu2, partman-target 52ubuntu6.14:27
CIA-44ubiquity: evand * r2475 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.7.914:41
CIA-44ubiquity: evand * r2476 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): Bump to 1.7.1015:24
CIA-44oem-config: evand * r413 oem-config/ (7 files in 5 dirs):15:43
CIA-44oem-config: * Use new timezone widget from Ubiquity. oem-config now shrinks to a15:43
CIA-44oem-config:  much smaller size (LP: #191823).15:43
CIA-44oem-config: evand * r414 oem-config/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Forgot to bump to 1.2815:47
CIA-44oem-config: evand * r415 oem-config/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.2816:01
CIA-44oem-config: evand * r416 oem-config/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.2916:03
mario_limonciellevand, are you already aware of instability issues with the new tzmap, or would you like bugs filed on them?18:17
evanduh oh18:17
evandwhat instability issues?18:17
mario_limonciellkeeps triggering apport when i try to pick locations18:18
evandoh hilarious18:18
evandI'll take a look in a minute18:18
mario_limonciellubiquity doesn't go down hard or anything, but i'm guessing just an exception that's not being caught18:18
mario_limonciellnot just an exception it'd appear18:19
xivulonah didn't know that the widget was actually being used...18:20
evandas of about an hour or two ago18:20
mario_limonciellxivulon, it's not in the dailies yet, evan just uploaded it18:20
mario_limoncielli grabbed the binaries and added them to a live env to test with18:20
xivulonone sec18:21
xivulonmario_limonciell: how you managed to trigger the error?18:22
mario_limonciellxivulon, trying to pick a timezone somewhere in CST18:22
evandit's a simple enough fix18:23
mario_limoncielljust clicking several times18:23
xivulonis that using a small zoom window or in full zoom mode?18:23
mario_limonciellit went into full zoom when it happened18:24
mario_limonciellbut its a small window?18:24
evandxivulon: we don't use the small zoom window in ubiquity, it's full zoom18:25
evandthe code is still there, however18:25
xivulonhmm cannot trigger the error on the zoom-map-branch18:27
evandthe code has diverged from that18:27
CIA-44ubiquity: evand * r2477 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/zoommap.py):18:57
CIA-44ubiquity: * Check for a valid cursor position in zoommap's hit_test and other minor18:57
CIA-44ubiquity:  fixes.18:57
evandmario_limonciell: thanks for catching that18:57
mario_limonciellno prob19:40
evandxivulon: problem19:40
evandit seems that running off the iso image extracted from the CD has not worked for some time19:40
evandthe initramfs fails trying to find a live filesystem19:41
evandoh, why do I have the feeling this is lupin 0.12 stuff19:48
evandah, indeed it was19:59
evandsorry for the false alarm19:59
evandI wasn't mentally accounting for the find_iso -> iso-scan/filename change20:00
xivulonah yes20:00
evandI have the feeling I'm going to have a fun evening when the updated livefs lands20:00
evandxivulon: ok, I've pointed the stable symlink at 43220:07
xivulonwhen will the iso be available?20:12
evandthe new ubiquity hasn't hit the archive yet, but when it does plus two hours20:14
evandwell, two and a half if you count the time it takes to build the CDs20:14
evandah, slangasek is already working new ones through it seems:20:18
evand15:15:31 < slangasek> livefs builds fixed; live CD builds following shortly20:18
JouvaHey guys, I don't know if this is appropriate for this channel or if this isn't considered the installer portion or not: I have a Dell Dimension E310, which according to other reports of past versions of Ubuntu didn't work, but I think I got it working now. However, once the disk gets to the point of loading X, the CD keeps spinning and spinning and it takes FOREVER for it to even display the desktop. Wasn't sure if this is a known issue for s20:52
JouvaWasn't sure if this is a known issue for some hardware configs20:52
JouvaThe system only has 256 megs RAM so I'm unsure if this is common for something with that amount of memory20:55
evandJouva: the desktop CD requires 320MB of RAM.20:58
evandwell, the installer does20:58
evandthe alternate CD will let you install with far less20:58
evandbut I'm not sure how much memory GNOME requires20:58
JouvaI hate that this system came with only 256 RAM. Free system mind you ;) but it's a P4 HT! You figure it'd have a gig or something20:59
TheMusoJouva: You'd be surprised. In Australia, many machines were sold with 256MB RAM by default for many years.21:07
TheMusoEven my notebook only has 256MB as standard, and this was 2004.21:07
TheMusoI got 512MB, i.e another 256MB, but yeah, rather shameful. XP needs 512 to run well.21:07
TheMusoHell most baseline notebooks here now only have 512MB, and they have Vista...21:09
* TheMuso shudders.21:09
JouvaThat's BAD21:10
JouvaThat's like having 64 megs of ram with XP21:10
TheMusoOr even 128.21:14
sorenI was just told about this: http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/KVMTest21:21
sorenMaybe you guys can use it to test the installer and stuff.. Just a thought.21:22

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