| GPenguin | popey: so you want the entire story to be repeated on this channel? | 09:41 |
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| popey | I kickbanned GPenguin because I believe him to be Patrick Frank | 09:41 |
| popey | from #ubuntu-uk that is | 09:42 |
| popey | if he has a problem with that, then he should take it up with the people who run this channel | 09:42 |
| popey | I am not willing to discuss it further until someone else steps in | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | [10:39] <GPenguin> popey: and then you seriously wonder why people react in a rude way to such violent attitude? | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | [10:40] <popey> GPenguin is I believe a certain patrick frank | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | [10:40] <popey> I kickbanned him from #ubuntu-uk | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | [10:40] <GPenguin> popey: you make up wild guesses about my real name and take violent action based on wild assumptions while there was no need to be massive | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | [10:40] <GPenguin> popey: thats not just unhealthy attitude, thats abusive | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | [10:41] <popey> raise it with the irc ops if you have an issue with me | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | [10:41] <GPenguin> popey: and the irony is that you claim Patrick Frank was rude because of such abuse | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | [10:41] <tonyyarusso> popey: loco stuff is handled in #ubuntu-irc now - this channel is just for #ubuntu, #kubuntu, et al and their offtopics | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | [10:41] <popey> oh ok | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | [10:41] <GPenguin> popey: why would i be interested in further escalation? i follow your invite to this channel to talk to you after you banned me without any reason | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | [10:41] <popey> GPenguin: take it to #ubuntu-irc :) | 09:42 |
| GPenguin | so the case is open | 09:43 |
| GPenguin | popey: are you at least aware that _you_ are escalating a peaceful situation? | 09:45 |
| Tm_T | hm? | 09:45 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: peaceful situation and kickban doesn't fit | 09:45 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: whats your role in the ubuntu community, please? | 09:45 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: I'm the Overseer, but that doesn't matter | 09:46 |
| GPenguin | i was having peaceful smalltalk on #ubuntu-uk and popey banned me with the comment "i suspect you are Patrick Frank". then invited me to #ubuntu-ops where he told he wont discuss. then invited me to #ubuntu-irc | 09:46 |
| Tm_T | yes | 09:47 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: it does matter if i talk to the right person or some random popey fanboy | 09:47 |
| Tm_T | no, I'm not any fanboy, sorry | 09:47 |
| GPenguin | good. so there is a chance that you manage this situation in a professional way | 09:47 |
| GPenguin | and to make this clear from the beginning. i am not claiming the right to be on #ubuntu-uk. since popey shows this hostile attitude i dont care to be there. what i care about is the abusive attitude | 09:48 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: anyway, if popey or other ops in this channel discuss this matter with you, then do, if not, I can't help you other than point you to ubuntu irc council | 09:48 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: so you want me to spend time and efforts outside of IRC to deal with some abusive jerk on IRC? | 09:49 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: the behaviour of popey meets the classic "harassment policy" | 09:50 |
| Daviey | GPenguin: Please refrain from calling -uk operators jerks | 09:50 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: and i expect this to be fixed where the problem occurs | 09:50 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: unfortunately I can't help you other way, as I don't have nor like to have powers to "fix them" | 09:50 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: i have seen network operators who k-line for the behaviour what popey did | 09:51 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: then talk to them? | 09:51 |
| Daviey | GPenguin: if you are infact Patrick Frank - you are supposed to be on a kline | 09:51 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: simple question: what is the purpose of this channel here? | 09:51 |
| GPenguin | Daviey: says who? | 09:51 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: talk and collaboration between irc operators of loco channels | 09:52 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: why was i invited to | 09:52 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: we don't hold power over each other usually | 09:52 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: why was i invited to # | 09:52 |
| Daviey | oh come on, you know as well as the rest of us that you are supposed to be klined | 09:52 |
| Daviey | Shall we ask freenode staff? | 09:52 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: why was i invited to #ubuntu-ops first and then taken from there to this channel then? | 09:52 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: to discuss this matte | 09:52 |
| popey | actually i asked him to come here to _escalate_ the matter | 09:52 |
| Tm_T | Daviey: please do if needed :)) | 09:52 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: and the discussion is where? | 09:52 |
| popey | I do _not_ want to discuss it and I'd rather the other -uk ops didnt either | 09:52 |
| popey | its a monumental waste of time | 09:53 |
| popey | but your time, so up to you | 09:53 |
| Daviey | Tm_T: asked one staffer | 09:53 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: like to discuss it now? ok, first calm down | 09:53 |
| Tm_T | popey: I'll try :)) | 09:53 |
| GPenguin | popey: right. you are intriguing to see a person k-lined. thats pretty weak ethics to be honest | 09:53 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: calm down if somebody behaves like a jerk? | 09:53 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: yes | 09:53 |
| GPenguin | popey: what do you think the community says about your ethics? | 09:54 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: because if you do not, you might end up being a jerk yourself, I'm not qualified to say are you already | 09:54 |
| GPenguin | popey: do you think your ethics meet the Ubuntu Code of Conduct? | 09:54 |
| GPenguin | popey: or are you that much of a celebrity these days that such a Code of Conduct does not apply to you anymore? | 09:54 |
| GPenguin | popey: you say you want escalation? | 09:55 |
| Tm_T | since when popey has become celebrity? =) | 09:55 |
| GPenguin | popey: you want me to pick up this challenge? | 09:55 |
| GPenguin | popey: you want escalation so you can cry later that i was escalating a harmless situation? | 09:55 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: anyway, thus far you have only tried to make huge fight rather than discuss | 09:55 |
| popey | GPenguin: I have already suggested what I think you should do | 09:55 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: i tried to fight or popey? | 09:56 |
| popey | take it to the irc council GPenguin | 09:56 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: you, calm down, son | 09:56 |
| GPenguin | popey: so you are actively provoking a mud fight on the council mailing lists? | 09:56 |
| popey | no, i am asking you to take it to the irc council | 09:56 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: no, he is not asking any mud fighting | 09:56 |
| GPenguin | popey: again - how does that fit the Code of Conduct what you do here? | 09:56 |
| popey | as I have said many times, I am not willing to discuss it until you escalate it | 09:57 |
| popey | I believe I am too close to the issue to be impartial | 09:57 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: calm down, I think I said it before already | 09:57 |
| GPenguin | popey: psycho logical explained what you do is begging for a punch in the face while there is no need | 09:57 |
| GPenguin | popey: and now think back how the situation was before you turned abusive. there was a random person on #ubuntu-uk having small talk in a friendly and peaceful way | 09:58 |
| Tm_T | bahhhhh | 09:58 |
| Tm_T | stupid borky scripts | 09:58 |
| popey | sorry everyone | 09:59 |
| Tm_T | /remove GPenguin I said calm down | 09:59 |
| Tm_T | popey: thanks :)) | 09:59 |
| Tm_T | popey: had fun for a moment there | 09:59 |
| Tm_T | tomaw: hi hi welcome | 09:59 |
| Daviey | tomaw: missed the fun :( | 09:59 |
| GPenguin | Ubuntu Developers invite people to #ubuntu-irc after they abused them, so other Ubuntu Developers can abuse them, too? is that the master plan? and the complaint was what again? that i turn violent on such input? | 10:00 |
| tomaw | hi | 10:00 |
| Tm_T | tomaw: ^^ | 10:00 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: no, no plan to abuse | 10:00 |
| GPenguin | tomaw: is that the deal here? | 10:00 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: double check your behaviour | 10:00 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: honestly, calm down, as long as you are raging around you can't discuss | 10:00 |
| tomaw | GPenguin: I have only just joined | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: I do my job, no abuse there | 10:01 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: i am calm. even after your abusive behaviour | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: good then | 10:01 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: no you dont do your job. | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | interesting | 10:01 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: you are having ban fun like popey. and this abuse brought me to this channel | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: no, I am not having ban fun | 10:02 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: i dont care that you dont value the Code of Conduct that you signed when becoming an Ubuntu Developer. i care about people who abuse me. do you get it? | 10:02 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: hmm, you do make hard accusations, son :) | 10:02 |
| Tm_T | without any arguments | 10:02 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: a start would be that you stop flooding me with crap like "calm down" while i am calm | 10:03 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: good, good | 10:03 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: the next step is that you dont look at me with the eyes of a ban happy jerk when i try to explain a problem | 10:03 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: yes son | 10:03 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: the third step is that you learn about respect and stop calling me "son", so i dont have to insult you | 10:04 |
| Tm_T | son, I do respect you, no need to insult | 10:04 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: the basic principle about de-escalation. you play the access dude, then you should know about it | 10:04 |
| Daviey | GPenguin: I believe you are Paddy Frank also - for this reason i don't want you unbanned from -uk anytime soon. | 10:04 |
| GPenguin | Daviey: keep out of this at this point. thank you | 10:05 |
| GPenguin | i am sure Tm_T is mature enough to handle this on his own without support | 10:05 |
| Daviey | GPenguin: Would be good if you did also. | 10:05 |
| GPenguin | Daviey: remember - i was invited to this place after i was abused by popey | 10:05 |
| GPenguin | and the bottom line was "i suspect this person is Patrick Frank who was rude some months ago. so i must ban him now without cause" | 10:06 |
| GPenguin | do you get this so far? | 10:06 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: I need some prove for this, as I can't see inside popeys head | 10:07 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: ask popey to provide you a log then | 10:07 |
| GPenguin | i will take a break now so you have enough time to _think_ how to proceed | 10:07 |
| GPenguin | but be warned. i am not taking anymore abuse from anybody | 10:07 |
| popey | http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2008/02/20/%23ubuntu-uk.html | 10:08 |
| GPenguin | post the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, too please. so all of you can re-read before you say _anything_ | 10:09 |
| popey | I dont need to read it, I already did that. | 10:09 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: ok, now I have seen this situation for some depth | 10:10 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: any comments about this matter? | 10:10 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: ok, I'll make some hot chocolate in the meantime | 10:15 |
| GPenguin | is it on me now to comment, or is the situation right now that popey has to justify, why he takes violent action based on wild assumptions? | 10:15 |
| Daviey | answer a question with a question? | 10:16 |
| GPenguin | i hope we are past the ethics of the old wild wild west days where you fire and forget | 10:16 |
| popey | GPenguin: what _exactly_ do you want to happen now? | 10:17 |
| GPenguin | the first step is that popey justifies his actions, then i will comment | 10:17 |
| popey | ok, here goes. | 10:17 |
| * Tm_T sips | 10:17 | |
| popey | I believe that you are someone who has in the past been k-lined from freenode. I also believe that you are Paddy Frank. a) ban evasion. b) unsavoury person who makes threats to people. | 10:17 |
| GPenguin | popey: and try to avoid throwing mud and digging up old gossip. stick to facts | 10:17 |
| popey | ergo, I don't want you in the channel | 10:18 |
| popey | ^^ facts | 10:18 |
| GPenguin | yes, that is your assumption | 10:18 |
| popey | s/assumption/belief | 10:18 |
| * Daviey agrees with said belif | 10:18 | |
| Daviey | belief* | 10:18 |
| GPenguin | and your IRC ethics are, that you take violent action based on assumption and belief? | 10:18 |
| popey | s/vilolent/appropriate | 10:18 |
| popey | yes | 10:18 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: can you prove you are not this person they are talking about? | 10:19 |
| popey | i gave you an opportunity to say you were not paddy frank | 10:19 |
| popey | (although given you are him [IMO] that's tricky) | 10:19 |
| GPenguin | popey: my next question is - are you aware that _this_ is not acceptable regarding the Freenode Guidelines? | 10:19 |
| Daviey | and evading a k-line is?! | 10:19 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: i dont have to prove anything. we are not in front of court. | 10:19 |
| popey | umm, you beat me - you broke guidelines by evading a kline | 10:19 |
| GPenguin | popey: assumption | 10:19 |
| Seeker` | what is "this"? | 10:19 |
| GPenguin | can you prove it? | 10:20 |
| popey | can I prove what? | 10:20 |
| GPenguin | and take note: i have to deal with 3 people the same time which is causing stress | 10:20 |
| popey | i can prove that you are paddy frank "beyond reasonable doubt" yes | 10:20 |
| popey | this conversation is pretty much proof | 10:20 |
| popey | IMO | 10:20 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: if you don't have to prove, why popey have to prove? anyway, you are just attacking atm | 10:20 |
| popey | to be clear. I don't believe I broke the CoC, I dont believe I have gone against freenode guidelines. | 10:21 |
| GPenguin | popey: you dont even know the difference between assumption and proof, but you are responsible for wife and kids. and you seriously wonder that i react to such people like you with patience, politeness and non-violent communication? | 10:21 |
| popey | ergo, we have a difference of opinion | 10:21 |
| GPenguin | popey: i believe that you have to learn a lot about social ethics before you carry on playing the Free Software Developer | 10:22 |
| popey | take it to the irc council please | 10:22 |
| popey | I am done here | 10:22 |
| GPenguin | popey: no thanks | 10:22 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: you are still just attacking, son :( | 10:22 |
| popey | stop wasting my time then | 10:22 |
| GPenguin | popey: i have better things to do than playing the mud fights low life suckers like you bring up | 10:22 |
| Tm_T | that is not sensible way to discuss, GPenguin | 10:22 |
| GPenguin | popey: and now have fun on #ubuntu-uk as the jerk that you are :-) | 10:23 |
| Tm_T | tomaw: isn't he lovely? | 10:23 |
| GPenguin | Tm_T: dont worry. i am done | 10:23 |
| popey | have a nice day | 10:23 |
| Tm_T | GPenguin: shame :( | 10:23 |
| GPenguin | popey: you too, sweetheart | 10:23 |
| popey | mwah! | 10:23 |
| GPenguin | popey: and never forget: the color pink is with you | 10:23 |
| popey | I am more of a blue person myself | 10:23 |
| Tm_T | he couldn't back up his words I notice, so time to retreat | 10:24 |
| Tm_T | anyway, to me it's look like ban-on-sight now on | 10:24 |
| Tm_T | why people can't sit down and talk like adults, instead of trolling and attacking untill get kille | 10:26 |
| Tm_T | d | 10:27 |
| popey | he is a special case | 10:27 |
| Tm_T | aren't they all? ;--P | 10:28 |
| Tm_T | glad I'm not a human | 10:29 |
| popey | :) | 10:29 |
| popey | hahah | 10:29 |
| Tm_T | what we should do to him in -classroom channels? | 10:34 |
| Seeker` | kick him? | 10:35 |
| Seeker` | he clearly isn't pleasent | 10:35 |
| Tm_T | who wants to do it? ;) | 10:35 |
| Tm_T | Seeker`: go ahead :) | 10:36 |
| Seeker` | ban as well? | 10:36 |
| Tm_T | why not | 10:36 |
| Seeker` | you sure? | 10:36 |
| Tm_T | he will come around soon enough but why not | 10:36 |
| Tm_T | lovely | 10:37 |
| popey | bah, i dont have ops in #ubuntu-doc | 10:37 |
| Tm_T | me neither | 10:37 |
| Seeker` | -10:39:06- GPenguin: more escalation that is absolutely not necessary | 10:41 |
| Seeker` | -10:39:18- GPenguin: you fail in understanding the Freenode Guidelines | 10:41 |
| Seeker` | -10:40:59- GPenguin: maybe what you do is useful to come closer to a friendship with popey | 10:41 |
| Seeker` | -10:41:17- GPenguin: but your behaviour creates any enemy as tradeoff | 10:41 |
| Seeker` | -10:41:36- GPenguin: thats not just weak ethics, thats dumb | 10:42 |
| Seeker` | I haven;t replied to him | 10:43 |
| Tm_T | nor need to | 10:44 |
| elektronik123 | hello | 11:40 |
| elektronik123 | halllo | 11:41 |
| elektronik123 | hallo | 11:57 |
| jussi01 | Hi | 12:01 |
| jussi01 | elektronik123: you need to ask your question | 12:01 |
| elektronik123 | i can`t join to #ubuntu-pl | 12:10 |
| Mez | elektronik123, you need to speak to pressenter who is the person that set your ban | 12:14 |
| Mez | there unfortunately is no bantracker for that channel, so I cant find out why this happened | 12:14 |
| jpatrick | LjL: oh, lord, no, Crysis is at it again | 15:41 |
| jpatrick | at least I think it's Crysis, same real name.. | 15:42 |
| Pici | jpatrick: set a realname ban then? | 15:46 |
| jpatrick | Pici: don't worry, I've kicked him out and told him what he did wrong | 15:47 |
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| === dodobas_ is now known as dodobas | ||
| Azag | ok | 17:11 |
| jpatrick | Azag: cuando te expulsaron? | 17:11 |
| jpatrick | no veo nada en el backlog.. | 17:12 |
| Azag | hoy | 17:12 |
| Azag | hace 1 hora, o algo asi | 17:12 |
| Azag | si expulsan a alguien q usa la misma conexion me expulsan a mi? | 17:12 |
| jpatrick | ahhh | 17:13 |
| jpatrick | eso lo explica | 17:13 |
| jpatrick | TipXxi [n=xxy@190.160.242.238] has left #ubuntu-es [requested by jpatrick: "no spam"] | 17:13 |
| Azag | TipXxi es un vecino qu se cuelga de mi Wifi | 17:14 |
| Azag | :( | 17:14 |
| jpatrick | Azag: lo siento no lo quieria hacer para ti, por no se premite spam en los canales de #ubuntu* | 17:14 |
| jpatrick | Azag: te quito el ban ahora | 17:14 |
| Azag | ok, thnx | 17:14 |
| Azag | le voy a decir, q pare el spam, y q deje de usar mi conexion... | 17:14 |
| Darksiteevil | mas bien protejela | 17:14 |
| jpatrick | Azag: ya esta, puedes entrar en el canal | 17:15 |
| Azag | gracias | 17:15 |
| Azag | :) | 17:15 |
| jpatrick | lo siento por las molestias | 17:15 |
| Azag | ningun problema | 17:16 |
| Azag | gracias y nos vemos en ubuntu-es | 17:17 |
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| no0tic | question of the day: I banned an IP. Can a cloaked user join if he connects with that iP? | 18:47 |
| === Pricey is now known as PriceChild | ||
| nalioth | no0tic: no | 19:02 |
| no0tic | thanks | 19:03 |
| Myrtti | boing | 20:11 |
| erUSUL | Myrtti: boing www.boingboing.net home of Doctorow XD | 20:12 |
| LjL | no0tic: if you ban the host, yes, if you actually ban the numeric address, no | 20:31 |
| * P3L|C4N0 saludos | 21:17 | |
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