[04:15] info [07:53] if a linux distro aims to conquer the world's desktop, [07:53] it must appeal to app developers [07:53] and the best to that, [07:54] is to support cross-platform open-source RAD tools like Lazarus and Code::Blocks [12:57] Mike_Feravolo: I always read when my name is mentioned :) === MrM is now known as mrmonday === MrM is now known as mrmonday [21:50] nobody's added anything to the meeting agenda [21:54] Where's the meeting agenda? [21:54] Let's get the link in the channel topic [21:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-02-27 [21:59] i think the channel topic is too long [22:04] IMHO, a meeting to get the group organized is way more important than anythhing in the /topic right now. [22:04] *announcing a meeting [22:05] yeah [22:06] the message i sent to the lists didn't evoke much of a response [22:06] list* [22:11] Hey, tell me what you think of this poster I am putting together [22:13] it looks good [22:14] can i play around with the source document? [22:14] :) That is the source document. [22:14] It's Sans font [22:15] okay what do i use to mess around with jpegs? [22:15] i'm used to working with pdf's in openoffice [22:15] I am just using GIMP [22:15] alright [22:17] i think it's good [22:17] but you should provide a few starting point. you mention firefox and ubuntu but you should actually direct them somewhere [22:18] call to action - good point [22:27] who are the ops for this channel? [22:44] Well, Jenda, for one [22:45] You could go to #ubuntu-ops and see who is running things at this moment, also. [22:46] what do you think we should talk about at the upcoming meeting? [22:56] I was just chatting with persia who game me a brilliant idea: Put a fake advertisement on employment bulletin boards with instructions to go to the a open source contribution website. :) [22:57] Not sure that we want developers who can't find work in today's job market, but worth considering for the future if there is a recession like everyone predicts. [22:58] DPic: Well, I hope that fellow maco comes to the meeting, who had all the ideas before. [22:58] yeah [22:58] He was sure telling everyone what is what -- yet I've never seen him in here before. [22:59] what do you think of this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConvertFriends [22:59] i just threw it together [22:59] All the power to him if he wants to get this organized, but he'll have to do more than pop in for a couple minutes on one day. [22:59] Not sure if the word "convert" is the one you want. ;) [23:01] You may want to include this graphic. I have permission from the author to use it. [23:01] http://www.linuxgamingworld.com/?q=node/194 [23:03] The words "convert" and "target" sound hostile. It might sound better with "enlighten" and "uniformed" [23:03] But you have some good information in there, nice work! [23:05] I personally find that showing off what it can do will get them interested more than an explanation of Free Software. [23:05] that's why knowing the person and their interests is important [23:06] no matter what you have to decide what's appropraite [23:06] that page is from like three different articles i've read [23:06] You say not to be preachy in one part, and then you say to start by explaining Free Software in a later part. Seems to contradict. [23:08] I would also add, "Don't promise the Moon." Too often people will say using Ubuntu will make your computer do everything including wash the dishes. As soon as a person gets disappointed with one failing, then it's back to Windows for them. [23:10] I would omit all the "explain free software" references, actually. It's usually a waste of breath. They are so wrapped up in a closed-system, that they can't understand the situation. I like to say, "Come for the cost, stay for the freedom." [23:10] People are more able to understand Free Software once they are using it. [23:12] s/Some people don't understand how free software is better/ Some people cannot understand how free software is better/ [23:13] Uh, still there? [23:18] sorry about that [23:19] i'm back [23:20] i haven't had a problem explaining the basic concepts of free software to anyone [23:20] and it can be explained without being too preachy [23:20] i think the only people who are incapable are understanding it are probably the technopobes [23:21] Well, I still think you mean cannot and not don't -- because if they simply don't understand then they will figure it out once you tell them. [23:22] I do know many people who simply cannot bring themselves to understand issues involving freedom. I think it's due to the television conditioning. [23:25] yeah [23:25] alright i have to go rightn ow though [23:27] cya!