[04:15] <donsmouse> info
[07:53] <yao_ziyuan> if a linux distro aims to conquer the world's desktop,
[07:53] <yao_ziyuan> it must appeal to app developers
[07:53] <yao_ziyuan> and the best to that,
[07:54] <yao_ziyuan> is to support cross-platform open-source RAD tools like Lazarus and Code::Blocks
[12:57] <jenda> Mike_Feravolo: I always read when my name is mentioned :)
[21:50] <DPic> nobody's added anything to the meeting agenda
[21:54] <desertc> Where's the meeting agenda?
[21:54] <desertc> Let's get the link in the channel topic
[21:55] <DPic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-02-27
[21:59] <DPic> i think the channel topic is too long
[22:04] <desertc> IMHO, a meeting to get the group organized is way more important than anythhing in the /topic right now.
[22:04] <desertc> *announcing a meeting
[22:05] <DPic> yeah
[22:06] <DPic> the message i sent to the lists didn't evoke much of a response
[22:06] <DPic> list*
[22:11] <desertc> Hey, tell me what you think of this poster I am putting together
[22:13] <DPic> it looks good
[22:14] <DPic> can i play around with the source document? 
[22:14] <desertc> :)  That is the source document.
[22:14] <desertc> It's Sans font
[22:15] <DPic> okay what do i use to mess around with jpegs? 
[22:15] <DPic> i'm used to working with pdf's in openoffice
[22:15] <desertc> I am just using GIMP
[22:15] <DPic> alright
[22:17] <DPic> i think it's good
[22:17] <DPic> but you should provide a few starting point. you mention firefox and ubuntu but you should actually direct them somewhere
[22:18] <desertc> call to action - good point
[22:27] <DPic> who are the ops for this channel? 
[22:44] <desertc> Well, Jenda, for one
[22:45] <desertc> You could go to #ubuntu-ops and see who is running things at this moment, also.
[22:46] <DPic> what do you think we should talk about at the upcoming meeting? 
[22:56] <desertc> I was just chatting with persia who game me a brilliant idea: Put a fake advertisement on employment bulletin boards with instructions to go to the a open source contribution website.  :)
[22:57] <desertc> Not sure that we want developers who can't find work in today's job market, but worth considering for the future if there is a recession like everyone predicts.
[22:58] <desertc> DPic: Well, I hope that fellow maco comes to the meeting, who had all the ideas before.
[22:58] <DPic> yeah
[22:58] <desertc> He was sure telling everyone what is what -- yet I've never seen him in here before.
[22:59] <DPic> what do you think of this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConvertFriends
[22:59] <DPic> i just threw it together
[22:59] <desertc> All the power to him if he wants to get this organized, but he'll have to do more than pop in for a couple minutes on one day.
[22:59] <desertc> Not sure if the word "convert" is the one you want.  ;)
[23:01] <desertc> You may want to include this graphic.  I have permission from the author to use it.
[23:01] <desertc> http://www.linuxgamingworld.com/?q=node/194
[23:03] <desertc> The words "convert" and "target" sound hostile.  It might sound better with "enlighten" and "uniformed"
[23:03] <desertc> But you have some good information in there, nice work!
[23:05] <desertc> I personally find that showing off what it can do will get them interested more than an explanation of Free Software.
[23:05] <DPic> that's why knowing the person and their interests is important
[23:06] <DPic> no matter what you have to decide what's appropraite
[23:06] <DPic> that page is from like three different articles i've read
[23:06] <desertc> You say not to be preachy in one part, and then you say to start by explaining Free Software in a later part.  Seems to contradict.
[23:08] <desertc> I would also add, "Don't promise the Moon."  Too often people will say using Ubuntu will make your computer do everything including wash the dishes.  As soon as a person gets disappointed with one failing, then it's back to Windows for them.
[23:10] <desertc> I would omit all the "explain free software" references, actually.  It's usually a waste of breath.  They are so wrapped up in a closed-system, that they can't understand the situation.  I like to say, "Come for the cost, stay for the freedom."
[23:10] <desertc> People are more able to understand Free Software once they are using it.
[23:12] <desertc> s/Some people don't understand how free software is better/ Some people cannot understand how free software is better/
[23:13] <desertc> Uh, still there?
[23:18] <DPic> sorry about that
[23:19] <DPic> i'm back
[23:20] <DPic> i haven't had a problem explaining the basic concepts of free software to anyone
[23:20] <DPic> and it can be explained without being too preachy
[23:20] <DPic> i think the only people who are incapable are understanding it are probably the technopobes
[23:21] <desertc> Well, I still think you mean cannot and not don't -- because if they simply don't understand then they will figure it out once you tell them.
[23:22] <desertc> I do know many people who simply cannot bring themselves to understand issues involving freedom.  I think it's due to the television conditioning.
[23:25] <DPic> yeah
[23:25] <DPic> alright i have to go rightn ow though
[23:27] <desertc> cya!