[00:56] TheSheep: Yes, of couse, i can verify the checksum. Are you still there? [01:28] what livily room [01:32] heh [01:32] anyway.. I don't need to verify the checksum [01:32] I know its corrupt [01:32] I wget -c the iso, it was interrupted in the middle, and then resumed manually [01:33] sometimes, don't know why, I get corrupted content [01:33] guess I wasn't lucky this time [01:33] ok, I will check it, or I won't sleep well [01:38] 8a6e05a36ff5098ece6e3d28ad3b279a xubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso [01:38] strange, it matches the md5 checksum in the site [01:38] this one: 8a6e05a36ff5098ece6e3d28ad3b279a *xubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso [01:39] There is a very small probability that this corruption didn't get noticed my the md5 checksum algorithm [01:39] i'm out of clues to my problem [01:40] anyone knows a very fast server from which I cand download this again? [01:41] holo: if you have a fast internet connection, then you could download the mini.iso and isntall from the internet [01:41] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [01:42] zoredache: my internet connection fluctuates between extremely fast and extremly slow with great packet loss. But anyway, does that one have already X pre-installed? [01:42] holo: the mini.iso is an 8mb image that comes with absolutly nothing, but you can install anything you want from it [01:45] I used alot of netinstalls from minimal cd back in debian times.. i also had alot of spare time at that time for configuring things manually. anyway, the cluttered cds also didn't have X pre-configured, so everything ended up being the same. [01:45] in this situation i have to balance the time of getting this configured correctly or just download a fully/integrated environment out-of-the-bok [01:46] and this is going to be ran in a bochs layer, so it will be not only slow because i have to configure it manually, but the whole system is slow [01:46] :s [01:48] why bochs? why not one of the other faster vm technologies? [01:48] zoredache: give me an option. [01:49] vmware? [01:49] parallels [01:50] xen, .... what is your guest os? [01:51] zoredache: vmware: I have to create the vmware image which can only be created in vmawre workstation, which is not free. I have to create account, download it manually and I can only use it for a limited period of time right? I will make serious work in these vms for a long period of time [01:51] parallels, i have to check that one [01:52] zoredache: are you referring to this?: http://www.parallels.com/ [01:52] this is mac software it seems. [01:52] holo: there are free versions of vmware... (vmware player, and vmware server) I have been using vmware server on my workstation for a couple years [01:53] zoredache: do any of those versions provide facility for creating vmware image? [01:53] vmware server does [01:53] zoredache: super! [01:53] with vmware player, you can download a blank vm off the interweb then use that too [01:54] so for vmware player, use http://www.easyvmx.com/ to create a blank vm [01:54] zoredache: can I install an OS in a blank image with vmware player? [01:54] yes [01:54] ok zoredache, you bring me good news [01:55] it isn't quite as easy but it can be done [01:55] of course xen, virtualbox, or uml, are also options [01:55] I am most familiar with vmware though... I have been using it since 1999 [01:56] for the other vm options check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines [01:57] zoredache: I know vmware is good.. i will stick to it [01:57] a state of the art tool [01:58] now back to work! [01:58] thank you very much zoredache, you saved me alot of time [02:14] * TD-Linux sees no point in vmware player [02:14] vmware server works just as good :D [02:17] /usr/bin/vmplayer: 166: cannot open /etc/vmware/locations: No such file [02:17] now this is a good start [02:18] I see no ending in my hacking into others mistakes life [02:19] hi every one... [02:20] hi [02:20] can i know whats the minimum configration to install xubuntu ??? [02:20] zoredache: Hi [02:40] Technoid_India: I don't know, because I didn't check in in the page. Did you check it? anyway, tell me which CPU and memory and maybe I can see if you can [02:41] holo: i am goin to install ubuntu my old pc >> P4 - 128MB RAM - 40GB Harddrive... [02:42] 128 is on the slim side, but it may run. You'll probably need to use the alternate-installer [02:45] zoredache: yes..bro..i will be using alternate installer... [02:46] so how is xubuntu different frm ubuntu ??? [02:46] n what file system should i use ??? [02:46] Technoid_India: yes, because livecd takes too much ram, go for alternate install.. xfce is pretty light.. also consider a 2.4 kernel.. it consumes less ram [02:47] ext3 ??? [02:47] Technoid_India: ext3 is the slowest filesystem, go for reiserfs [02:47] of course, just my humble opinion [02:47] holo: so will it run smoothly on my pc....??? [02:48] Technoid_India: I own a amd 64 dual core or something xpto.. sometimes i think it doesn't run smoothly.. do you expect me to say that from those specs? [02:48] n does it supports all ubuntu packeges??? [02:48] ^^ [02:49] Technoid_India: yes, the repositories are the same [02:49] holo: i have a high end rig to bro.... [02:49] but im just tryin my luck on this old crap pc... [02:50] its may not be crap pc.. it wasn't some years ago.. the pc is still the same, but maybe more used [02:50] but still the same, so it should do what what it did some years ago [02:50] can i use all the application (packages) that i used to run on ubuntu ??? [02:51] Technoid_India: yes you can. but don't run kde on it [02:51] or gnome [02:51] it would sound stupid :) [02:51] kde - gnome apps ??? [02:51] yes you can [02:52] holo: so i can do all my studio work on xubuntu... [02:52] dunno, but I supose you run every app you ran in ubuntu [02:52] except maybe for configuration tools of gnome [02:52] audio/video >> recording n editing stuff ??? [02:53] Technoid_India: take it easy.. you should now more about your work than me [02:53] then i will be sticking to xubuntu for this old pc.... [02:54] holo: thanx brother...for ur help.. [02:54] xubuntu is mainly a window manager alternative, window managers manage windows, that' all.. don't give so much importance to it [02:54] why soo... [02:55] that mens that i should stick to ubuntu... [02:55] because its a window manager! its not about the applications you ran before [02:55] the main important thing is that if you ran linux applications, they will still run in xubuntu, because xubuntu is a linux distribution [02:55] this #channel isnt crowded enough !!! [02:56] Technoid_India: depends on requirements, gnome is much more than a window manager (someone correct me if i'm wrong) and pretty damm heavy [02:56] so with that machine i wouldn't run gnome, or better said, ubuntu version desktop [03:00] holo: yes bro..gnome is damn Heavy...i tried to run ubuntu dextop installer on some new machines wid 256mb.... but it would take 15-25minutes to load the desktop itself.... [03:01] just the destkop? strange.. not even livecds take so much time [03:01] anyway, yes, gnome is heavy, kde is heavy, xfce is not [03:02] but don't expect to have the same level of integrated features in xfce [03:02] everything comes with a but [03:02] holo: but.... what ??? [03:03] kde for example has lots of features that make him being used by power users.. you can tweak anything [03:04] with very user friendly interfaces [03:04] is there a reason why xubuntu doesn't push for latest kernels like (k)ubuntu? [03:04] gnome is know by its usability, and is also very powerfull [03:05] xfce is very modular and light.. don't expect to have your life so easy if you want to tweak alot of things [03:06] eldalion: i don't have any experience in xubuntu, but I can say that if the repos are the same, you can pull whatever kernel kubuntu users pull [03:07] that's what i did, upgraded to 2.6.24, just wondered why it didn't come automatically [03:08] Technoid_India: by releaning a xfce only distribution of ubuntu, users can have a even more pleasant desktop experience because of all the work that is put by developers in configuring and integrating the various tools of this fine window manager [03:09] *releasing [03:09] ubuntu 7.10 doesn't have 2.6.24 [03:09] TD-Linux: yes, confused with the alpha [03:38] an ok article talking about suggestions for Xfce here: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/02/18/13/05/37-what-is-xfce-still-needing-to-be [03:38] thing that's different about xfce is that it's only about 5 or 6 core guys who work on it in their spare time. [03:39] it's not like gnome which has the backing of corporations and stuff. [03:51] TheSheep: when you are here read this: I loaded the same xubuntu image with vmware, and it works.. looks like it was bochs fault somehow.. amazing! [05:00] Hey, quick question [05:00] Is there command that could reset my xfce settings? [05:00] Because I can see the neither the top or bottom taskbar [05:07] thanks for none of your help [05:38] hey guys!, just want to ask if samba is installed as the same as ubuntu 7.10? [05:38] by default I mean [05:39] no it isn't installed by default [05:40] but installing it is pretty easy [05:40] i see [05:40] are you looking to setup a server, or just client stuff? [05:41] anyway to get everything do the following in a terminal -- sudo apt-get install samba smbfs smbclient fusesmb' [05:41] 'cause I'm planning to migrate to xubuntu from a zenwalk linux cause I couldn't get samba working there on my laptop and I couldn't browse my windows network [05:42] you understand that xfce has no integrated network browser? [05:42] just want to browse my windows network so I coould transfer files back and forth [05:43] you can user you network, but you cannot browse it with xfce [05:43] what to install then after I install samba some sort of network browser? [05:44] my laptop is an old p3 750Mhz and I couldn't get ubuntu boot from there it just froze [05:44] if you are looking just to browse you don't need samba, that is a server. There are several howtos that descibe setting up afuse and fusesmb [05:45] for example... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131 [05:46] does that same applies to zenwalk 5? [05:48] well I suspect there are similar things you could do on zenwalk, I doubt the steps are exacltly the same... I have never used it so I can't really answer that [05:49] i see [05:49] thanks for the info [10:36] Hey, is XFCE 4.2 faster or slower than XFCE 4.4? [10:36] jared_: faster to do what? [10:39] erm, use? [10:39] internet pretty much [10:39] coz im using a slow machine atm [10:40] and I got a lot faster going from GNOME to XFCE 4.2 [10:41] jared_: I'm afraid you cannot browse www with xfce, you usually use firefox or some other browser for that [10:43] -.- [10:43] using the internet on XFCE is a lot faster than on GNOME [10:43] what I asked is if it would be faster to go to 4.4, or stay on 4.2 [10:45] I can assure you that xfce doesn't affect your internet speed [10:45] so it should be the same for both of them [10:45] ergh [10:46] im not an idiot [10:46] I've done a CISCO course on networking and fundamental computing [10:47] and I know that my computer is a hell of a lot faster with XFCE than it was with GNOME, including internet usage [10:47] so I asked a simple question [10:47] is XFCE 4.4 faster or slower than 4.4? [10:48] *faster or slower than 4.2? [10:48] jared_: I'm sorry but I'm too stupid to understand your simple question. Maybe there is someone else here who would know. Sorry for introducing confusion. [10:49] ur a dick [10:49] Lol. [10:49] :( [10:50] Not quite sure where the relationship between xfce/gnome and internet speed is.. [10:51] memory use probably [10:51] and caching [10:52] Mmm [10:52] I still don't buy it xD [10:53] "speed" is a very simple and obvious term that has no sense in computers :) [10:54] ;) === web_know1 is now known as web_knows [12:44] hi :) how can i hide drive icons from my desktop? [12:46] no one a idea?? [12:49] mino: settings->desktop settings->behavior [12:49] mino: the "show icons for" section [12:52] TheSheep: but my created icons also get hidden... i only want to hide this auto generated [12:53] mino: use the checkboxes below [12:53] if i use them its get ignored.. i can set only removable devices but i doesnt make any difference [12:54] TheSheep: must i restart restart xfce or somehting? [12:54] mino: disable and enable the 'let xfce manage my desktop' at the top [12:54] mino: this is an annoying bug [12:57] yeah really anoying also you must check the /trash box and disable and enable the upper box, then uncheck /trash and the trash link is gone [12:59] mino: it's going to be completely rewritten for xfce 4.6 though :) [14:02] hi [15:05] Hi Everyone !!! [15:05] ;-) [15:07] any body here !!! [15:10] no [15:10] just us, mice [15:12] TheSheep: can i know whats the basic requirements to install xubuntu ??? [15:13] http://xubuntu.org/get#requirements [15:15] are the command same...as v use in ubuntu (apt get, sudo apt get).... [15:16] yes [15:16] apt-get [15:16] so whats the difference between ubuntu n xubuntu...??? window manager?? [15:17] TheSheep: n i can use all the software i used on my ubuntu workstation !!! [15:17] the window manager, the panels, file manager, etc., the default set of applications and the default settings [15:17] yes, you can even install ubuntu, xubuntu and kubuntu all at once and switch between them at the login screen === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [17:52] hi i just plugin my headset, the sound of the boxes is still there and also on the headset :/ but i want only sound on my headset [17:53] i already checked the mixer, there are only master and pcm + mic rulers... no difference between boxes(builtin) and headset [18:00] hmm [18:03] hi [18:03] mino: sound issues are kinda sketchy ... you might need to search around wiki.ubuntu.com for alsa configuration [18:03] holo: hello [18:03] the installer is prompting me to cd1 [18:03] I don't want to put cd1 [18:04] I want to withraw to mainmenu [18:04] but I can't.. how can i do this? [18:04] hello maxamillion [18:06] is there any forcing method to go to main menu? [18:07] if not, this seems a installer missing option [18:09] what installer are you using, where are you at? [18:09] have you tried pressing ctrl-c === maxamillion is now known as notMax [18:14] trying [18:15] gutsy [18:15] i'm at prompt for first cd [18:15] he is stupid suddenly he doesn't know he loaded himself [18:15] the problem is i'm running this in vm [18:15] so it brings me some problems [18:16] holo: did you have problems with the language menu previously? [18:16] TheSheep: those problems didn't happen anymore since i changed from bochs -> vmware [18:16] holo: it would be probably still nice to report them [18:16] I'm still installing though.. but at a higher step [18:16] TheSheep: the problem is that I don't know where [18:17] where does this bug belong? [18:17] !bugs | holo [18:17] holo: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [18:17] I alreaady informed #bochs about this [18:17] ok [18:17] holo: fill it against the installer or the xubuntu as a whole [18:17] yes [18:17] holo: probably better fro the installer [18:20] i'm also having now random hangs inside vmware [18:20] so i made replication and survival of the fitest, to gurantee it goes to the end [18:21] like 6 vms working at the same time with 64MB each [18:21] %) [18:22] i had no other choice.. it just hangs, and always at different places [18:22] later you can pit them against each other in dos attacks ;) [18:22] but it seems that since i made the replication, it doesn't hang anymore.. but i'm sticking to the model [18:22] anyway, this seems evil influence, i don't find other reason [18:23] maybe your iso was cursed? [18:23] TheSheep: the ones that get further survive, others just die (removed) [18:24] TheSheep: maybe not cursed, but maybe my negative thought about being successfull in this task, bring bad events [18:25] even the impossible events can, will and already happened. my influence will make them probable of happening to me [18:26] the impossible events will hide themselves behind the laws we established for the universe, so we will never see them unless we adequate the laws [18:27] * TheSheep brings an Occam's razor [18:28] one of the vm's apparently died.. i was getting worried :) [18:29] zoredache: ctrl+c doesn't work [18:30] neither in the prompt, nor when imediatly after I prompt an invalid path [18:32] holo: have you considered that maybe your hardware is failing? If you are getting hang ups and weird behavior as frequently as you are describing then I would suggest you run memory test followed by a hard disk diagnostic [18:35] ok [18:35] holo: you can switch to a shell with alt+f2 [18:36] can I dot memtest on boot and hd diagnostic with mounted partitions? [18:36] *memtest after boot [18:36] TheSheep: ehm.. I have X terminals [18:36] TheSheep: and its actually ctrl+alt+f2 from X [18:38] holo: it's alt+f2 in text mode [18:39] TheSheep: yes, how do you think I am in text mode if I'm running 6 VM's? [18:40] holo: the vms are in text mode [18:40] holo: there ashould be some way to send alt+f2 to them [18:41] haa [18:41] TheSheep: sorry, I thought you were saying that in the host OS [18:41] ok, a moment [18:42] ok, i'm in busybox [18:42] thanks alot TheSheep === Pricey is now known as PriceChild === notMax is now known as maxamillion [19:38] TheSheep: this is funny: one of the replicas that survived diddn't ask for the CD.. this is really ?uc??dup.. do you believe now my theories?? [19:40] i'm now in xubuntu login [19:40] very nice sensation after this battle [19:48] hi [19:48] hi [19:49] does google earth run on xubuntu? [19:49] yes [19:51] isul: http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntuusers.de%2FGoogle_Earth&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ASCII [19:52] thanks [19:53] You're welcome! [20:13] oh wow [20:13] Already installed google earth? [20:13] yeah [20:13] I installed it, but when I ran it for the first time it logged me off [20:14] that was wierd [20:14] that's odd :/ [20:14] looked like it was going to work. the splash screen came up, but then I was back at xubuntu login [20:18] 3D-acceleration is working? [20:18] yeah I was just thinking that. maybe integrated SiS video chip doesn't meet opengl requirements for google earth? [20:18] heh [20:21] that doesn't seem right either though, because the opposite is true on windows. opengl will work with this gpu while directx doesn't [20:21] Have you Compiz activated? [20:22] umm, I dunno [20:24] disable it if it's activated [20:24] This may help [20:27] http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart1.shtml#introduction [20:50] I can say that desktop xubuntu is a much more pleasant experience than kubuntu [20:50] in kubuntu I always have a colesterol feeling [20:51] like when you have eaten too many french fries? [20:55] yes [20:55] and a hamburger full of that white sauce [20:55] I think my mood can be improved in xubuntu [21:02] when I am mounting samba shares with pyneihborhood, it fails to mount [21:02] what can be happening here? [21:02] it sees the shares, but then it doesn't mount them === encrypt128bit_ is now known as encrypt128bit [21:32] Hi all: I'm getting crackly audio in my xfce based Ubuntu. It seems to only happen with videos, but I've basically uninstalled all my questionable codecs and only have gstreamer stuff left... I think it may be an alsa/oss issue I'm sort of a n00b when it comes to this. Does anyone have any suggestions? [21:33] n8 [22:07] anyone know if compiz fusion works with XFCE? [22:07] yes it does [22:07] is there any special insall ways or can i install it just like unbuntu? [22:08] same as ubuntu [22:08] Thanks === encrypt128bit_ is now known as encrypt128bit [22:20] So im trying to install xubuntu, its failing to install the kernel and on tty4 im reading this: (apt-install: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Xubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbion_ - Release i386 (20071016)]/pool/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic_2.6.22-14.46_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch <-- that mean my cd is probably corrupt? =p [22:36] encrypt128bit, it looks like it. [22:37] the thing is there might not be a real way of testing it to know for sure. I just d/l another one or reburn it if it md5s correctly. [22:38] the md5 was fine on the iso [22:38] I thought that ubuntu has a way of checking the cd for defects, but I guess you at least have to boot some in order to get to that point. :/ [22:38] and i checked the cd though the ubuntu check, and it said it was fine too [22:38] =\ [22:38] encrypt128bit: there is an optin at boot to check the cd for defects [22:38] yea i did that [22:38] it didnt find any defects [22:38] hmm, just repeat everything again before worrying too much. [22:38] then it should be fine [22:39] maybe the cd drive had a hiccup? [22:40] there are just so many possible scenarios to know for sure why it failed. My old computer wouldn't fricking read some CDs even though once I had an OS installed it worked fine. [22:40] never figured that one out. [22:42] see this all goes back to my original problem, heh. what do you think this means? [22:42] http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a238/jfiorini/linux%20install/?action=view¤t=100_1010.jpg [22:42] thats a photo of my screen with the error message its giving me [22:43] well, its pretty much the same as what the cd gives me, that was actually when i was using unetbootin to install ubuntu [22:43] but i get this error every time i install no matter what i install from [23:06] are you doing a network install? [23:08] encrypt128bit, [23:08] No [23:08] on that screen shot i was using unetbootin [23:09] so i was installing from the internet i guess [23:09] UNetbootin is a simple open source tool that allows you to install a variety of distributions over the Internet, without burning a CD. [23:09] yah, network install as it's said. [23:10] I don't know why it's failing. But you should just try the normal CD install. Reburn it if you have to, Burn it DAO, at the slowest speed possible. [23:11] always burn ISOs Dics at once, or DAO. [23:13] yea [23:13] i always do. [23:14] for some reason it just isnt working... want me to show you what its doing right now with my cd? [23:14] sure. [23:20] ron_o uploading a photo, link in a second [23:21] ron_o: http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a238/jfiorini/linux%20install/100_1349.jpg [23:21] thats installing from the cd right now [23:22] it's an md5sum mismatch. Don't know what to tell you besides my advice already given. [23:22] that sux when that happens. [23:23] yea, i know... but the cd checker from this cd doesnt detect any faults [23:23] maybe try another *ubuntu version and see if anything changes. [23:23] and the md5 checks out on the iso [23:23] ive tried ubuntu and kubuntu same thing happens every time. [23:23] and ive used two different cd burners. *sigh* [23:23] sorry about that. I've been there too. It's totally frustrating. :/ [23:24] damn. [23:24] yea, totally. [23:24] if i could buy a hard drive with xubuntu already on it, i totoally would. [23:24] heh [23:24] you like xubuntu that much? [23:25] xfce is great. [23:25] I just heard ubuntu was a good build, i saw xfce on a friends computer i like it [23:26] you know ive even tried installing fedora 8, and it doesnt work. [23:26] for just an OS that does about anything you want, with a lot of help. *Ubuntu is for you. [23:26] I just think linux hates this machine [23:26] it could be your hardware. [23:27] i dont see what would be wrong though, or what could be messing the install up. [23:27] like I said, an old machine I had would and then wouldn't install linux. It was so frustrating. [23:27] Im on a newer machine though [23:27] oh.. [23:27] intel mobo? [23:27] P4, a gig of ram, geforce 6800 [23:28] the thing is xubuntu has the latest kernel so you shouldn't have problems there. On this machine I found out I needed a kernal above 2.6.20 in order for me to install. [23:28] but your machine is probably older than 6 months. [23:29] yea [23:30] http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=59642&d=1202995686 my system specs in that file [23:30] i have a epox motherboard [23:31] i need to log in in order to see it. I lost my account info. :/ [23:33] Epox EP-4PLA(I) [23:33] thats my motherboard. [23:33] *shrug* havent heard of any problems with it, but maybe no one else has one using ubuntu === encrypt128bit_ is now known as encrypt128bit [23:35] you could try updating your BIOS. [23:36] I've looked into it, but im unsure of where to find a newer bios [23:36] especially one that you can get for free [23:36] all i can find are places that want to sell you a bios upgrade [23:37] http://www.warp2search.net/contentteller/news_story/new_bios_updates_b9b3.html [23:37] look there for your mobo. [23:37] what happened on my new system was that the CDs couldn't find my CD/DVD player, which meant it couldn't insgtall.