[02:18]  * HedgeMage pokes ogra / ogra_cmpc gently, checking if he's awake
[03:45] <HedgeMage> hi ogra
[03:46] <LaserJock> I think he's asleep
[03:46] <HedgeMage> ahh
[03:46] <HedgeMage> what's up, LaserJock ?
[03:47] <LaserJock> I could be wrong since he's like always around, but it's 4 or 5am his time
[03:47] <LaserJock> oh, just trying to get some things done
[03:47] <LaserJock> had a new laser installed today, very exciting
[03:47] <HedgeMage> I can never keep track of who's in which time zone
[03:47] <HedgeMage> fun :)
[08:14] <achandrashekar> hello.after posting to edubuntu, ubuntu, ubuntu-server Im still having a heck of a time with ldap auth with ltsp. It appears a bug that has been around since Dapper is STILL not resolved. As a result it makes it VERY difficult to promote edubuntu in an Infrastructure environment. Does anyone have a solution or work around for the libnss bug which causes a klog daemon lock up during boot?
[08:15] <johnny> well, try a newer version that isn't already with dapper?
[08:15] <achandrashekar> im using 7.10
[08:15] <achandrashekar> there is no newer version with ltsp
[08:15] <achandrashekar> 5
[08:16] <johnny> oh.. you're using gutsy, but the bug was from dapper?
[08:16] <johnny> you need to stick it out perhaps.. and come on here during their normal hours :)
[08:16] <johnny> but is there a newer version that isn't in gutsy even?
[08:16] <johnny> not ltsp, but libnss
[08:17] <achandrashekar> that is a good question...i suppose there may be a deb out there that I can upgrade to..and see what happens
[08:17] <achandrashekar> who knows what dependencies it will break though
[08:18] <johnny> backups are good
[08:18] <achandrashekar> I cant imagine though...that people who want to use such things as SMBLDAP for other things would "just wait it out"
[08:18] <achandrashekar> especially when ubuntu is making a public push to be "enterprise ready"
[08:18] <johnny> it seems that you're blazing a trail here.. using something a subset of a subset of a subset of what people want
[08:18] <achandrashekar> ya know?
[08:19] <johnny> sure, but they aren't perfect
[08:19] <achandrashekar> why blazing a trail? Its a setup that is in the wiki
[08:19] <johnny> that's why canoncial has a support contract option :)
[08:19] <achandrashekar> and across two how to's that are posted
[08:19] <johnny> i wouldn't know.. i've never done anything like that, nor am i affiliated with canoncial either
[08:20] <achandrashekar> yeah...i get the picture... just very frustrating..
[08:20] <johnny> but this is truly why they have a contract option
[08:20] <achandrashekar> it sits in the bug cue...
[08:20] <johnny> just wanted to mention that, in case you thought i was really involved with edubuntu
[08:21] <johnny> it'd be nice to find somebody who was doing ltsp stuff locally..
[08:21] <achandrashekar> yeah..they all use the "out of the box" two nic method
[08:21] <achandrashekar> and then complain that they cant boot more than 15 boxes.
[08:22] <achandrashekar> I have an athlon x2 setup with dhcp failover and it works bitchin
[08:22] <achandrashekar> all i need is this auth piece
[08:22] <achandrashekar> and im golden
[08:22] <achandrashekar> so that kind of is why im frustrated.
[08:22] <achandrashekar> Some long nights putting the pieces together.
[08:22] <johnny> don't i know it
[08:22] <achandrashekar> and now i have an unbootable system...
[08:22] <achandrashekar> damn
[08:22] <johnny> i had enough troubles getting my 4 client setup working
[08:23] <johnny> i'm looking forward to hardy
[08:23] <achandrashekar> but im not here to bitch..(which may come across that way)
[08:23] <achandrashekar> just trying to get to a point where stuff works.
[08:23] <achandrashekar> what is the release date for hardy?
[08:24] <johnny> ubuntu's update policy sometimes causes some fixes not to get included, because the upstream developers  (or others) posted patches that were a bit too invasive
[08:24] <johnny> april sometime iirc
[08:25] <achandrashekar> I see. This LDAP thing is like a bread/butter component of any Enterprise system. It is really really important IMHO
[08:26] <johnny> if i had enough clients , i'm sure i would have already ran into it
[08:26] <johnny> and tried to resolve it
[08:26] <johnny> but i'm geeky enough to force it :)
[08:27] <johnny> trolling irc and forums all over the place
[08:27] <johnny> and jumping in the code and stuff
[08:27] <achandrashekar> heh..cool
[08:27] <achandrashekar> might have to do the same in the debian channel..
[08:27] <achandrashekar> and see what happens
[08:27] <achandrashekar> im sure it affects them too.
[08:27] <johnny> what about the main #ltsp channel
[08:27] <johnny> that's where you should prolly hang out
[08:27] <johnny> don't bug the debianers
[08:28] <johnny> they might be startled
[08:28] <achandrashekar> not a bad idea.
[08:28] <johnny> or upset, depending on how they feel about ubuntu
[08:29] <johnny> being involved in projects is often more about politics than technical issues
[08:29] <johnny> so you better be careful out there
[08:29] <achandrashekar> yes...i here you...fork after fork after fork...people upset...and then they hit you with a spoon :)
[08:29] <achandrashekar> lol
[08:30] <johnny> most of the folks who are deeply involved in ltsp stuff seem to only come about during US/Europe daytime hours
[08:30] <johnny> a bit later in europe..but still
[08:31] <johnny> you always come here around 2-4am my time
[08:31] <johnny> when nobody else is around
[08:33] <achandrashekar> oh my
[08:33] <achandrashekar> i see.
[08:33] <achandrashekar> its 12 PST time
[08:33] <achandrashekar> and that is when I wind down...
[08:33] <achandrashekar> just a few more hours then..i see no problem in waiting.
[08:33] <achandrashekar> thanks.
[08:34] <johnny> you wind down by trying to make ltsp work?
[08:34] <johnny> lol
[08:38] <johnny> i wish i could afford to work on this stuff fulltime..
[08:39] <achandrashekar> No...its on my time at a school I work at. I used to be full time IT guy, that basically decided to help students in a low socioecomonic area with Math.
[08:39] <achandrashekar> But it appears...bad leadership cant be fixed and as a result i wanted to continue to stay sharp
[08:39] <achandrashekar> in Linux
[08:39] <achandrashekar> because that world moves REAL fast unlike education.
[08:40] <achandrashekar> So... I spend my time after school trying to help as well as learn
[08:40] <achandrashekar> ;)
[08:40] <achandrashekar> its a tricky proposition
[08:40] <achandrashekar> philanthropy and eating dont mix to well.
[08:41] <achandrashekar> hence your comment on paid support makes perfect sense.
[08:41] <achandrashekar> :)
[09:11] <johnny> ogra.. we're finally getting the duplicate filenames bug solved
[09:11] <johnny> in sabayon that is
[09:11] <johnny> the other things that need badly fixed are some issues when removng panel items
[09:11] <johnny> which are registered in launchpad
[09:11] <johnny> it could be related to the duplicate files bug tho
[09:11] <johnny> when i get the patch in, i'll let you know
[10:36] <Nubae> hi there...
[10:37] <Nubae> anyone know if ed(ubuntu) is going to be at fosdem this weekend in brussels?
[10:37] <Nubae> from what I've read there doesn't seem to be much ubuntu stuff happening there
[11:13] <juliux> ogra, take a look at http://ubuntu.juliux.de/tassen.jpg
[11:52] <ogra> juliux, sweet
[11:57] <juliux> ogra, if you are in hannover give me a hint then you will get a edubuntu mug;)
[12:16] <ogra_cmpc> juliux, willdo
[12:17] <jvanrooyen> Hi all, having some difficulties after edubuntu install. I'm trying to login on one of the clients and it gives me this error: this workstation is not authorised to connect to server. Can anyone help?
[12:20] <ogra_cmpc> jvanrooyen, which release
[12:20] <jvanrooyen> ogra_cmpc: Gutsy
[12:21] <ogra_cmpc> sudo lttsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
[12:21] <ogra_cmpc> copy/paste that line to a terminal on the server
[12:22] <jvanrooyen> Oh ok, what will that specifically do?
[12:22] <ogra_cmpc> i guess you changed your IP data after install
[12:22] <juliux> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-imag
[12:22] <ogra_cmpc> it will generate new ssh keys for the cdurrently active interfaces and copy them into the client env
[12:22] <jvanrooyen> oh yes I did
[12:22] <juliux> that is the correct line vor copy/paste;)
[12:23] <juliux> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
[12:23] <juliux> sorry:(
[12:23] <ogra_cmpc> the second command will recompress the ltsp image so the change gets actually promoted
[12:26] <jvanrooyen> ogra_cmpc: I did the 1st command
[12:26] <jvanrooyen> ogra_cmpc: The 2nd command takes some time though
[12:26] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[12:26] <ogra_cmpc> it recompresses about 300-400M
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> that takes a moment
[12:27] <jvanrooyen> oh ok its done now
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> reboot the clients and it should work
[12:27] <jvanrooyen> Ok give me a sec I'll let you know now now...
[12:32] <jvanrooyen> ogra_cmpc: Thanks very much all is good now
[12:32] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[12:32] <jvanrooyen> Thanks guys
[12:32] <jvanrooyen> Yippee
[12:37] <Vaajda> can someone pls tell me if ubuntu can use 2 internet connection at the same time
[12:38] <ogra_cmpc> can you elaborate what exactly you mean by "use 2 internet connection at the same time" ?
[12:39] <ogra_cmpc> in tcp/ip you can only have one default route
[12:39] <ogra_cmpc> thats not depending on any OS
[12:40] <ogra_cmpc> s/have/use/
[13:11] <Vaajda> i want to have 2 connection on 1 pc and use both of them at the same time
[13:12] <ogra_cmpc> your system can only use one at a time
[13:12] <RichEd> Vaajda: you mean two network connections ...
[13:12] <ogra_cmpc> right, thats what i suspect as well
[13:12] <RichEd> you can have one network interface pointing to your internal network
[13:13] <RichEd> and the other to the internet
[13:13] <RichEd> but two interfaces configured to both go to the internet would make your machine unhappy
[13:13] <ogra_cmpc> no
[13:14] <ogra_cmpc> it just would pick one
[13:14] <Vaajda> i want to use one connection for say ktorrent and the other for the internet and gaming
[13:15] <ogra_cmpc> well, as i said you can have multiple connections but only one thats used for the default outbound route
[13:16] <Vaajda> unless i use vwmare
[13:16] <ogra_cmpc> wven vmware would go through the host systems default interface in the end
[13:17] <ogra_cmpc> you could probably play with tun/tap interfaces etc
[13:17] <Vaajda> but i could have 2 ips being vmware makes one computer into 2 or 3
[13:19] <ogra_cmpc> sure, but the packets will use the hosts default route unless you fiddle with virtual tun/tap interfaces to bend it
[13:19] <Vaajda> because vwmare isnt a emulator
[13:20] <ogra_cmpc> it surely possible
[13:20] <ogra_cmpc> but a lot of work
[13:20] <Vaajda> its would be cool tho
[13:20] <Vaajda> it*
[13:21] <Vaajda> what if i use another computer that is running linux with IP Masquerading
[13:22] <ogra_cmpc> if that sits on a different DSL line that should work
[13:22] <johnny> i use that tuntap thing for virtualbox
[13:22] <johnny> so i cna run it as ltsp
[13:22] <Vaajda> itsp??
[13:22] <Vaajda> im a noob to linux
[13:22] <ogra_cmpc> i use the internal net for vbox to boot virtual clients :)
[13:23] <ogra_cmpc> Vaajda, Linux Terminal Server Project
[13:23] <ogra_cmpc> LTSP
[13:23] <Vaajda> o lol
[13:23] <johnny> ogra, i can boot internal and external clients tho :)
[13:23] <ogra_cmpc> i boot my external ones from a real server :)
[13:24] <johnny> i don't have that much hardware
[13:24]  * ogra_cmpc is drowning in HW being upstream ltsp for a while you get a lot free HW
[13:25] <Vaajda> ok i got another question what should i use to play windows based games with
[13:25] <pygi> :p
[13:25] <ogra_cmpc> indeeed only the underpowered crap you cant use for anything else but thin clients :P
[13:26] <pygi> :)
[13:27] <ogra_cmpc> Vaajda, look at holarse.net some win games run under wine
[13:27] <ogra_cmpc> they have a section for that on the website somewhere
[13:28] <Vaajda> its in another lang
[13:28] <ogra_cmpc> i thought they had english pages
[13:28] <ogra_cmpc> hmm
[13:29] <Vaajda> man i hate being a noob lol
[13:29] <ogra_cmpc> linux-games.org then probably ... or google :)
[13:29]  * ogra_cmpc doesnt play any win games ... so he has no idea
[13:29] <johnny> i just use wine ..
[13:29] <johnny> check the wine appdb list for compatibility with your games
[13:32] <RichEd> johnny: i just use beer ... if i have enough of them then i think snoop dog is cool, not computers
[13:32] <Vaajda> ok thanks
[13:34] <Vaajda> i play a mmorpg and when i was using windows (which was like 3 hours ago) the game would work with my computer anymore i think b/c of adware, spyware, etc
[13:34] <Vaajda> wouldnt
[13:34] <johnny> running sabayon inside a vbox isn't so fun
[13:35] <ogra_cmpc> how about running sabayon inside of sabayon ?
[13:35]  * ogra_cmpc never checked if thats possible
[13:35] <johnny> supposed to be impossible
[13:35] <johnny> i've seen the check inside the code
[13:35] <ogra_cmpc> supposed .....
[13:35] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[13:38] <johnny> well.. sabayon isn't running too nicely with xephyr, i tried a quick hack to get it running
[13:39] <johnny> i see the desktop render , and then it crashes, and then in the console (running via gksu sabayon) i see it hanging on check for texture_from_pixmap
[13:41] <ogra_cmpc> sounds like compiz
[13:44] <johnny> it's just problem after problem here :(
[13:44] <johnny> and i'm mucking around in areas i only understand superficially
[13:45] <johnny> like autotools stuff
[13:45] <ogra_cmpc> well, i saked the compiz maintainer about it in -devel
[13:45] <ogra_cmpc> (he's also teh apt maintainer, so busy with that atm)
[13:46] <ogra_cmpc> johnny, can you come over to #ubuntu-devel ?
[13:53] <johnny> it'd be nice if there were some gui tools to manage the global /etc/xdg and /etc/gconf
[13:54] <ogra_cmpc> i think there are
[13:54] <ogra_cmpc> desktop-file-utils or so
[13:54] <johnny> gui?
[13:56] <johnny> don't look like it to me.
[15:46] <Vaajd1> ok im about to throw my computer out my window
[15:47] <Vaajd1> it keeps freezing and i cant use ctrl + alt + backspace
[16:00] <daishujin> is it a thin client?
[16:00] <Vaajd1> huh
[16:01] <Vaajd1> im a noob
[16:02] <daishujin> Vaajd1, did you install the desktop version of Edubuntu, or the thinclient classroom server
[16:02] <Vaajd1> unbuntu 7.04
[16:02] <daishujin> ok
[16:02] <Vaajd1> #ubuntu would help
[16:02] <Vaajd1> wounldnt
[16:03] <daishujin> ok
[16:03] <daishujin> do you know how to check your logs?
[16:04] <daishujin> and how long after booting does it take for the computer to freeze?
[16:05] <Vaajd1> it if i open firefox
[16:05] <daishujin> hmmmm
[16:05] <Vaajd1> and i dont know how to check logs but i have to reboot every time
[16:06] <daishujin> do you know how much RAM your computer has?
[16:06] <Vaajd1> 1.5 gigs
[16:06] <Vaajd1> cpu is 2.0 and overclocked to 2.3
[16:07] <daishujin> ok, and what kind of video card do you have?
[16:07] <Vaajd1> 256mb ati readion x85pro
[16:07] <Vaajd1> 850*
[16:07] <daishujin> ok
[16:08] <Vaajd1> im trying to upgrade to 7.10 to see if that will fix it
[16:08] <daishujin> is the computer that is crashing, the one you are talking from now?
[16:08] <Vaajd1> yeah
[16:09] <daishujin> can you open up a terminal?
[16:09] <Vaajd1> yea
[16:11] <daishujin> ok now try typing 'less /var/log/messages' and maybe send them in a /msg so as not to spam the channel
[16:12] <Vaajd1> did u get my msg
[16:12] <daishujin> actually, on second thought maybe 'tail /var/log/messages' might be better
[16:12] <daishujin> no
[16:13] <Vaajd1> how do i register my nick
[16:13] <daishujin> you use nickserv '/msg nickserv register yourpass'
[17:45] <lovemedo> edubuntu rocks!
[17:50] <lns> woooooooooo!! Nautilus sighandler bug is fixed and in repos! =) Happy day!
[22:42] <grezer> Nouroxx its asking this question Please enter the IP address of the ISPConfig web
[22:42] <grezer> ok now I have a question I am installing ISPCONFIG AHHH and its asking me for " Please enter the IP address of the ISPConfig web "
[22:43] <grezer> Nouroxx its asking this question Please enter the IP address of the ISPConfig web
[22:43] <grezer> is that the IP address for my server or my router ??
[22:44] <grezer> exit
[22:44] <grezer> exit