[00:14] http://www.kubuntu-de.org/bilder/events/linuxtag-2007?img=27 <- hard to believe the camera survived :p [00:16] * yuriy debates whether to just use the first couple minutes of aseigo's keynote for half a presentation [00:17] you'd have to speak slowly [00:18] Riddell: any more dev stuff need any work? I am itchin' for some more :) [00:19] nixternal, it has survived that was my canon eos 30d [00:19] nixternal: lots needed on system config printer [00:19] it's a big codebase though, you'd get lost in it [00:20] * apachelogger_ grabs his sonic screwdriver and runs over to nixternal's router [00:21] don't you dare touch my PIX 501! [00:21] it has lasted me so long [00:21] nixternal: dont you have a life outside of kubuntu to deal with? [00:21] coreymon77: nope, Kubuntu, KDE, and Linux is my life [00:21] *buzz* *buzz* *buzz* [00:21] done [00:21] muhahaha [00:21] nixternal: as in, thats your actual job? [00:22] * apachelogger_ heads off to bed, now that nixternal can't do anything evil anymore [00:22] nini [00:22] as in, I don't have a life :p [00:22] nini apachelogger_ [00:22] *cuddle* [00:22] k'nite apachelogger_ [00:22] nixternal: try implementing the Clean Print Heads button for example [00:22] * emonkey thanks again and whishes good night, I've to go to bed. Morning will be much too early... ;) [00:22] Riddell: is the code in bzr somewhere? [00:23] nixternal: i thought the "k" bit was being dropped [00:23] I will never drop the k bit [00:23] nixternal: hmm yes but launchpad is offline for three hours === krwk is now known as krawek [00:23] argh, I just said that in the meeting, and I was wondering why I couldn't update my docs checkout [00:23] derr [00:24] is it in Python as well? [00:24] nixternal: yes [00:24] k [00:24] I need to find me a printer I can plug into around here... [00:25] nixternal: wow, do you actually not have a life [00:25] nixternal: how do you make money? [00:26] forgot to mention this at the meeting, but I started http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingKDE and it would be good if people could add package specific debugging information [00:26] I added HttpProxy support to my twitter-plasmoid. I want to know why Konqueror-KDE4 doesn't support proxy and what plans are under consideration. [00:26] Where do I look for more information? [00:27] nixternal: bzr branch http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-port/ [00:27] nareshov: #kde-devel or #plasma [00:27] thanks [00:28] coreymon77: I don't make money, I go to school which gives me a lot of hack time [00:28] nixternal: ah, i see [00:29] if you have some money, I wouldn't mind getting a bit of it [00:29] nixternal: svn co http://svn.fedorahosted.org/svn/system-config-printer/trunk/ for the gnome side where we steal all the code from [00:29] groovy [00:29] nixternal: im in school too [00:29] hmm kde4 sound doesn't seem to work anymore [00:29] nixternal: the clean printer heads button is hidden in the code at the moment, unhide it, add a signal to clicked and copy whatever the gnome side does [00:30] * Riddell sleeps [00:32] ok...g'nite [00:51] n8 [00:52] l8rs [00:55] who works on kubuntu ubiquity? [00:58] seele: I believe Riddell does [00:58] what .desktop syntax says to only show the icon within kde? [00:59] as a matter of fact, I know he does..he is the only one here with commit rights for it [00:59] s/syntax/option [00:59] there is a page on Freedesktop.org I think that shows all of that...it is something along the lines of *-KDE-Only or something similar [01:00] nixternal: ah ok thx [01:00] btw.. anyone have trouble with today's (yesterday's?) nightly build? [01:00] nixternal » ok [01:00] kdm or x11 or something hangs [01:01] I haven't had any issues as of yet [01:01] sigh.. tried the live cd on two difference computers and both do not work [01:25] hmm kwallet in kde 4 doesn´t save any login information for websites/ftp/ssh/.. - only plasma and kopete gets saved [01:25] anyone else having that problem? === jurmir is now known as jcneto [02:11] evening [02:11] nice eclipse happening [02:14] Yep. Clouds broke from the earlier snow storm just in time here. [02:15] don't we have to make sacrifices in order to make the moon come back? [02:15] Hmmm [02:16] One of my kids is being particularly annoying tonight ... [02:17] interesting, hopefully that will work [02:18] Unfortunately she agreed to clean the kitchen, so I don't want to mess with that. [02:18] win some lose some [02:18] Yeah. [02:30] hmm, just put our loco team logo with the ubuntu logo on kde slides... makes the idea of a kubuntu loco sound interesting [02:31] hehe [02:31] ya, you can't add the Ubuntu logo to blue slides, it is god awful [02:31] I have been using the Oxygen LaTeX Beamer template for my talks [02:32] f00d time [02:33] well there is orange in the oxygen theme [03:39] so, who else saw the moon? [03:40] I think the point was to NOT see the moon? [03:41] no [03:41] i did, so i was disappointed [03:41] you always see it [03:41] its jsut orange [03:41] and you can see saturn and a very big star (forget the name) [03:41] i hadn't seen an eclipse before, so i was thinking as nosrednaekim [03:41] well, I guess its not a total one [03:41] total ones the whole moon DOES disappear [03:42] no it doesnt [03:42] thats impossible [03:42] why? [03:42] its refracted light [03:42] th earth come directly between the moon and sun [03:42] suns bigger [03:42] well this one supposedly is total [03:42] earth is close [03:42] *closer [03:42] still [03:42] refracted light [03:43] but it's weird cause it's uneven [03:44] this is a total eclipse [03:44] even nasa says so [03:44] coreymon77 » hum I guess you are right, cause the light would refract around the earth's atmosphere [03:45] exactly [03:45] that's exactly what it is. [03:45] but high frequency light is filtered out by the atmosphere [03:45] causing only the orange/red light to pass through [03:45] giving the moon that erie orange glow [03:46] * nosrednaekim got a B in astronomy so he is going to listen [03:46] great view of saturn too [03:46] coreymon77: No. High enerby light bends less and misses the moon. Low energy light refracts more and hits the moon [03:46] Same reason you get a rainbow [03:46] ScottK2: whatever it is [03:47] ScottK2: im just happy that i saw both a lunar eclipse and saturn in one night [03:47] I'm saying it's the refraction is different based on wavelength, it's not filtering. [03:47] That's cool. [03:47] great rings [03:47] ScottK2: its right to the bottom left of the moon [03:48] Thanks. [03:48] the craziest part is that because of the lack of moonlight, all the stars that we dont normally see are appearing [03:49] ScottK2: the really bright, big looking star to the bottom left (not sure if its still there), thats saturn [03:51] i guess i should go look for saturn? or too late? [03:51] you could try [03:51] but in order to see the rings youll need a telescope [03:51] aw [03:52] probably saw it already, just don't know it [03:52] i found an old kids toy one sitting around in the basement from when my brother was little [03:52] surprised it still works [03:54] well can't identify saturn, but the moon looks a lot cooler now [04:13] hey hey [04:20] drop kubuntu. put an icon "Install KDE" on ubuntu's desktop. [04:21] ? [04:22] yao_ziyuan: any idea what percentage of the world has dvd players now? [04:22] let alone dvd burners? [04:26] dvd player? every computer has dvd drive now [04:26] but i haven't used a dvd disc yet :) [04:34] ...no they don't. [04:37] Heh. I don't even thing the majority of computers in my house have one and I'm in a rich first world nation. === krwk is now known as krawek [05:49] damn, just installed Ubuntu Ibex and this is what I get [05:49] http://www.noahsarksearch.com/StuplichBob/IbexOnAbichI1999BobStuplich.jpg [05:49] of course, I want to find out more about the Ibex and what it looks like...thank god for Google showing me that one [05:58] ew... I just ate... [05:58] thanks nixternal... [06:02] hehe [06:02] people have already been hitting me up with the jokes..little do they know, and Ibex is actually the toughest animal we have had to date [06:16] nixternal: shit, scary shot [07:16] before solving that input method bug in kubuntu, [07:17] wouldn't it be wise to advise east asian prospective users to download Ubuntu first and then install kubuntu-desktop? [07:17] since that's the only way for them to get both kde and input methods === \sh_away is now known as \sh [07:59] * Add debian/patches/01_proc_sys_batteries.patch: Fix showing batteries [07:59] twice. Taken from upstream git head, see patch header for details. [07:59] (LP: #177570) [07:59] finally [08:13] Sweet, been looking forward to that. [08:14] apachelogger_, nice interview? [08:14] s/?/!/ [08:48] Riddell: ping === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [09:36] cheguevara: thx === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger [10:23] Riddell: Are the Kubuntu iso's safe to test? === \sh is now known as \sh_away === serzholino_ is now known as serzholino [10:48] Riddell: beer event for saturday - you need to register - be quick since it is limited to 200 people - http://www.imatix.com/fosdem-2008 [10:56] Isn't that on Friday?> [10:56] that is another one [10:56] ah [10:57] ;-) === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [11:18] Nightrose: is that where everyone is going? [11:19] Riddell: seems so [11:19] we all registered [11:19] we = amarok and some more [11:19] Riddell: you at fosdem, too? [11:20] sebas: this is why I got him the link ;-) [11:20] Ah, figures. [11:20] should drink more coffee [11:20] ;P [11:20] dito [11:21] * Riddell signs up [11:22] cool :) [11:22] davmor2: seems there's no quick way of fixing the CD missing half its packages, so we might miss this alpha [11:23] tis an issue then and not just me going mad ;) [11:24] Riddell: are the live cd's okay to test? [11:24] davmor2: the live CDs are the problem [11:25] ah what about the alt's then they seem to have a default blue background too did you not get my message last night? [11:26] Riddell: ^ [11:28] davmor2: hrm, guess they're the problem too then :) [11:30] Riddell: looks like a default kde install rather than Kubuntu. No applets in the bar four desktops etc [11:30] yeah, it's missing kubuntu-default-settigs [11:30] and other packages, due to seed reorganisation [11:31] so I think we'll have to miss this alpha [11:31] which just shows why it's important to have this testing process, else we'd never have noticed :) [11:32] Riddell: mail me when there is a safe cd to test once the packages are all there and I'll use that as an alpha5 cd. [11:33] other variants should be fine [11:34] Riddell: ta [11:35] (we think) [11:41] or maybe not.. < cjwatson> ok, this has effects on Ubuntu too [11:46] <_StefanS1> . [11:59] hi all [11:59] this is the first time I use konversation under gutsy [11:59] since the confiuration of this app is quiet difficult for a beginner [12:00] but it is really useful to have an IRC channel for help preconfigured [12:01] I'm yet to find an irc client which is easy to configure [12:01] I recommend that, if I choose one language in the installation, somehow the IRC channel preconfigured, if exist, is the one [12:01] in the language selected [12:02] for example, I've chosen spanish in my installation, bt the preconfigured IRC channel is the english one [12:02] and it do not connect to it automatically when I run the program [12:03] I thinks this is a nice feature that it can be called Help channel or something like that [12:03] 9instead of konversation, that do not says much [12:03] it is a suggestion only [12:05] the IRC channel in your own language is something that makes the difference for users [12:05] and kubuntu already have people in 4 or 5 languages to begin this line [12:06] hmm, interesting idea [12:06] it adds a lot of noise in IRC channels but it is a way, for example of redirect beginners in early stages to the correct information about apps and features [12:07] and they fell there is real support [12:07] you run the app and you can talk to people that helps you inmediately [12:08] we only have to take care they understand the channel is for help, not to chat with friends [12:09] maybe a terms of use panel when they connect can help with this [12:10] imagine all the people you can connect in a few weeks with the community... [12:10] maybe too many [12:13] toscalix: the channel topic is unhelpful? [12:13] sorry, don't get it [12:13] no one read the topic actually.. [12:13] The channel topic is "Official Kubuntu support | FAQ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FAQ | Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | KDE 4 support in #kubuntu-kde4 | Tutorials Day logs at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KTD | Please add ideas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SoC | Ubuntu DeveloperWeek https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDW | KDE 3.5.9 is out! http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-359.php". [12:13] at the top of your screen, when you join #kubuntu [12:13] yes [12:13] in the grey panel [12:14] I'm saying we can push this idea further [12:14] blizzzek: yeah, i know. and then they say that they didn't know. [12:14] blizzzek: short of smashing them in the face with a hammer... [12:15] (or poking them with a long pointy stick of doom) [12:15] ;) [12:15] this channel is great, I'm just saying that maybe we can configure the conection to Officel support channels [12:15] Official [12:16] ...it is [12:16] to be automatically or very easy and in not just english but other languages [12:16] Hobbsee: i think he wants it to be autoconfigured to loco channels on install based on language settings [12:16] now it id difficult to get here [12:16] fo a beginner [12:17] specially a non english speaker [12:17] toscalix: hmm, we usually !es, !de 'em or something :-/ [12:18] but it would be nice to have a single click "live help" button that takes you straight to the support channel [12:18] I'm not sure where that we be though [12:19] Riddell: does Kubuntu not have a general irc like Ubuntu? [12:19] yes, that automatically takes you to the channel in your language by asking you your user name that, by default, can be the name of the user defined during installation or we can ask the user the nick he/she wants [12:19] davmor2: it does. it's just not multilanguage [12:20] Hobbsee: we have #kubuntu-es, #kubuntu-fr, #kubuntu-de etc [12:20] all details -> http://www.kubuntu.org/support.php [12:21] jpatrick: sure, but we don't send them there by default, and apparently people aren't finding that. [12:21] toscalix: where in the user interface would you put such a link? [12:21] konversation in gutsy is an app that it is not on kicker, it is hidden among the rest of apps in K panel, so people do not find it, so they do not find it, and they do and try it, the don't know how to use it [12:22] sorry about my mistakes but I'm writing in a broken keyboard [12:22] Riddell: I'd have it in the Help menu where the launchpad stuff is :) [12:22] wait a minute and i change it [12:23] Is there not a list somewhere that could be used and then just select the appropriate channel from the list [12:24] but Help -> "Get help Online" seems to point to a good page [12:24] ok, here we go, Riddell it depends of the relevance we want to give. I'd begin by placing it just where konqueror, kontact, amarok and kopete are [12:25] but if it works, in next versions Iwould place it besides the trash can [12:25] in kicker [12:26] Get help online sounds great to me [12:26] toscalix: it's there [12:26] toscalix: the one that you didn't find? [12:27] and when you press, it opens a dialog with the terms of use, you choose the nick, maybe the language, and it automatically opens the channel [12:27] humm [12:27] not in a default installation [12:28] uh, yes in a default installation. [12:28] it's listed there [12:28] in K menu...yes [12:28] * Hobbsee has checked the seeds before [12:28] noy in kicker, right? [12:28] no, not in kicker [12:28] but if you can't find it in every single app's help menu, are you going to find it on kicker either? [12:28] toscalix: right-click kicker -> help -> get help online [12:29] or that :) [12:29] jpatrick yes, I know, but I think it is a feature that should have more relevance [12:30] and it has to be a "press and go " connection to the channel [12:30] toscalix: isn't stuff like the wiki, etc, more useful, with pre-done answers to questions? [12:32] yes if you know the question and want to find the answer [12:32] but no if you do not know the question, like beginners [12:32] like kids [12:33] oh please spare the channel from kids :) [12:33] for example.....what do I use for .... [12:33] Jucato: why hello [12:33] j/k of course :P [12:33] hi jpatrick (I'm surprised that I'm alive myself) [12:33] wher do I get this... [12:36] this is a suggestion based on my experience today getting to this channel from a plain installed kubuntu, just think about it and .... we'll see if it makes sense [12:36] toscalix: presumably you'd like a first-user help guide, at the very first install? [12:36] toscalix: *this* channel isn't exactly for support questions, that's why it's not joined to by default [12:37] Jucato: think of the new devs we'll get if we did [12:37] jpatrick: you think so? :) [12:38] I suppose we could put a link in Ubitity to http://www.kubuntu.org/support.php near the end [12:38] toscalix: a plain installed kubuntu has a konversation that's configured to join to a support channel (#kubuntu). perhaps the better idea is, as you mentioned, configuring the installation to auto-join to the local kubuntu channel if a different locale was chosen during installation [12:38] * Jucato has no idea how that can be done though.. probably some ubiquity magic? :) [12:38] Hobbsee of course, but people that uses computers specially windows users have never got such a help, it can be killer and a great experience to fell the community from the first minute [12:39] Jucato: not easily - you'd need to do it thru debconf stuff, i expect. [12:39] ew... :/ [12:39] jucato and place konversation on kicher with a Get Help Online name [12:40] kicker [12:40] * Jucato isn't in favor really of renaming... [12:40] I'm not in favor either in most cases [12:41] because it sort of gives image that konvi is only for online help... or that it's the only way to get online help (you can use kopete too...) [12:41] * Jucato thinks something like opensuse's "help" page is a good system... but... [12:41] Jucato: i thought we had one? [12:42] people, specially younger people prefers chatting than reading [12:42] Hobbsee: did we? [12:42] sure, but it is volunteer based [12:42] Jucato: i thought there was kubuntu-specific help in khelpcenter, which is what you get when going kmenu--> help [12:43] toscalix: it would be a nice idea, particularly if we had infinite support people - but we don't - therefore giving the impression that #kubuntu is the only place for help is probably a bad idea [12:43] Hobbsee: oh not that... openSUSE has this desktop icon that launches a web page in Konqueror that lists ways to get help. all point-and-click stuff... like if you click on Online Help, you get a short description and a link that will launch Konvi [12:44] Jucato: oh, hmm. i thought we had something like that too, somewhere. === neversfelde|mobi is now known as neversfelde [12:45] Hobbsee I understand your concern about a massive ask for help [12:47] but, at least in english it can be done as laboratory [12:48] there are many people connected in #kubuntu channel [12:49] enough for this, I think [12:49] emonkey, iRon, neversfelde: membership done, you should get e-mail addresses in the next few days, also you can add your blogs to planet [12:50] Riddell: thanks! got it already :) [12:50] yes it's already here many thanks [12:50] Riddell: thanks [12:51] new members? [12:52] jpatrick: yes we are [12:52] iRon: cool, register your nick and get a cloak :) [12:53] toscalix: you obvioulsy haven't visited #ubuntu... [12:55] jeje I obviously noy lately....1000 users jojo [12:56] well so what is the problem then [13:00] Hobbsee: heh seems like that webpage I was speaking of is available online... see http://help.opensuse.org/ [13:01] (they have a desktop icon for it... but yeah, I know we don't like desktop icons :P) [13:02] nice [13:02] they seem to have also patched something up so that irc:/ launches Konversation, not Kopete [13:03] Hobbsee: but you're right. we some something similar in KHelpCenter -> Kubuntu System Documentation Index -> Getting Help -> [13:44] Jucato: actually kubuntu should use konversation for irc:/ as well IIRC [13:45] * Jucato checks [13:48] apachelogger: ah so it does. thanks :) === _czessi is now known as Czessi [14:16] Riddell: do I need a feature freeze exception for a new upstream version which fixes only one bug? [14:17] apachelogger: not in universe === never|mobi is now known as neversfelde [14:17] ok, thanks === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Add ideas https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSummerOfCodeIdeas | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [14:20] apachelogger: Just file a bug to document what you're doing and why is the current process. See the feature freeze exception page for details. [14:20] ScottK: aye aye === manchicken_ is now known as manchicken === \sh_away is now known as \sh [15:52] morning [15:52] * yuriy frowns at the hug day page [15:53] why the frown yuriy? [15:53] Riddell: cause it hasn't been touched yet, and the ubuntu one is all nice and green [15:56] yuriy: what hasn't been touched? [15:56] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080221/KDE [15:56] (compare to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080221 ) [15:58] seems like we need more of a bug community for Kubuntu [15:59] I suspect having it on a separate page isn't going to help people find it [15:59] you think putting an additional table/information on the same page would be better? [16:00] it is linked === neversfelde is now known as neversfelde_ === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === mi is now known as MuNzE [16:22] ouch.. images in blog post broke horribly [16:22] thats a bummer [16:32] oh ho ho, webserver go boom. apparently the admin's ex-gf's account was compromised (oops) [16:32] "

linespace where it shouldn't be there === \sh is now known as \sh_away [16:33] yeah.. i know, but i cant fix it atm === MuNzE is now known as mi [16:39] hmm.. i blame both planets, because i dont see the error in my html on the server [16:39] * seele shrugs [16:43] oh damn wordpress and it's html "auto fixing" [16:47] proofreaders needed: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/packaging-presentation.pdf [16:48] seele: your web server seems to be back up [16:49] I agree it's planet breaking it, you probably need to remove the links from the images to work around it [16:49] Riddell: yah (well not *my* webserver) it went boom [16:49] Riddell: re pdf: centered text is hard to read [16:51] I'm trying to avoid putting my entire talk in the slides (as I've done in the past), but for the ones with very little content centred seems best [16:51] Riddell: looks alright but I haven't a clue if it works ;) [16:52] Riddell: looks good and correct here :) [16:53] Riddell: centering in slide ten hurts my head :) [16:53] Riddell » I put a .desktop in it.... I hope I did it correctly :) [16:53] nosrednaekim: great, did you write the MIR? [16:53] nope, I'm gonna work on that today. [16:54] nosrednaekim: let me know if you get stuck [16:54] ok [16:54] compat 6 now? man, it feels like 4 was just yesterday [17:01] seele: I've right aligned the more busy slides and you're right (as always :) [17:01] nixternal: there seems to be minimal changes, stick to 5 if you want things backported [17:01] seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/foo.pdf [17:06] Riddell: much easier to read :) [17:09] Riddell » where on the wiki should I put the MIR report? [17:10] nosrednaekim: the page itself should be MainInclusionReportDesktopEffectsKde and link from /UbuntuMainInclusionQueue [17:11] ok [17:20] Riddell: when is this packaging talk? [17:21] seele: FOSDEM on sunday [17:21] Riddell: slide three "Lets" should be "Let's" (Let + us) [17:21] Riddell » the only dependencies are PyQt,PyKDE, Python and adept_batch, right? [17:22] (since you were asking for spelling/grammar too..) [17:22] nosrednaekim: and compiez :) [17:22] Riddell » well, it fetches that [17:22] seele: well spotted [17:23] nosrednaekim: indeed, so all dependencies are in main [17:23] * seele could make a joke about a [Huge Spotted Feltail], but doesn't know how many people would get it [17:23] * Riddell wouldn't [17:23] alas, does no one here play World of Warcraft?! [17:24] i thought it was only THE MOST POPULAR GAME EVAR [17:24] * seele sighs [17:24] is it friday? [17:24] i prefer vendorfishes [17:24] Riddell » ok. [17:25] computer games? they're for nerds. we're geeks [17:26] XD [17:26] Riddell » is this program regarded to have an upstream? [17:27] nosrednaekim: yes, point to the launchpad project [17:27] ok [17:32] where is the upstream bug tracker? bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users ? [17:34] nosrednaekim: hmm, actually there isn't a launchpad project for it [17:35] nosrednaekim: so you can just say there's no upstream, bugs are tracked in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktop-effects-kde/ [17:35] ok [17:39] Riddell: there are still apps on kde-apps which aren't in ubuntu? Oo [17:40] less and less :) [17:40] ah, good :D [17:43] Riddell » would this program running a subprocess(adept_batch) constitute a binary running as root? [17:43] nosrednaekim: no, that's adept's problem (and it has been in main running as root for years) [17:43] ok [17:44] would a Xsession script constitute that? (sorry for all the questions) [17:44] nosrednaekim: yes, I suppose it would [17:44] ok. [17:55] Riddell » https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportDesktopEffectsKde [17:56]