=== mwhudson__ is now known as mwhudson === salgado-afk is now known as salgado === cprov-out is now known as cprov === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [15:59] is it now? [15:59] it is now! [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started at 16:00. The chair is Rinchen. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating Launchpad development. [16:00] back by popular demand.... [16:01] fe fi fo fum [16:01] #endmeeting [16:01] Meeting finished at 16:01. [16:01] I seem to have the wrong times, consistently [16:02] it's 18:00, despite what my calendar says === kiko is now known as kiko-fud === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [17:56] alo === kiko-fud is now known as kiko [17:57] privet [17:58] hi ho [17:58] ok now you are 2 mins early [17:58] hehe [17:59] #startmeeting [17:59] Meeting started at 17:59. The chair is Rinchen. [17:59] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:00] Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating Launchpad development. [18:00] back by popular demand.... [18:00] [TOPIC] Roll Call [18:00] New Topic: Roll Call [18:00] me :-) [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:00] carlos will be late [18:00] me [18:00] matsubara? [18:00] me [18:00] me [18:01] kiko, SteveA ? [18:01] ah steve ok [18:01] short list today [18:01] me [18:01] jtv is travelling [18:01] me [18:02] stub is on holiday [18:02] I said that 4 minutes ago! [18:02] mthaddon, herb ? [18:02] aha! [18:02] me [18:02] schwuk? [18:02] me [18:02] cprov, ? [18:02] bigjools, ? [18:02] me [18:03] cool [18:03] [TOPIC] Agenda [18:03] New Topic: Agenda [18:03] * Next meeting [18:03] * Actions from last meeting [18:03] * Oops report (Matsubara) [18:03] * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [18:03] * Bug tags [18:03] * Operations report (mthaddon) [18:03] * DBA report (stub) [18:03] * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [18:03] * New packages required (salgado) [18:03] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [18:03] * Bug #193062 Sometimes the OOPS page is not rendered correctly (matsubara) [18:03] Bug 193062 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/193062 is private [18:03] * Displaying and documenting public release numbers of Launchpad (kiko) [18:03] * Pre-release QA process (matsubara) [18:03] * Blockers [18:04] [TOPIC] Next meeting [18:04] New Topic: Next meeting [18:04] a few [18:04] * repost: intellectronica to investigate Bug 185135 [18:04] Launchpad bug 185135 in blueprint "+roadmap page still times out" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185135 [18:04] * repost: salgado to investigate adding turbogears for codebrowse and germinate [18:04] made some progress on this, but didn't make the deadline :( [18:04] Rinchen: topic is next meeting [18:04] Rinchen, didn't do it [18:05] ok, I really quit [18:05] intellectronica, yeah, it still times out -- top timeout in fact today. [18:05] ok. [18:05] intellectronica, do you need some advice, help or review? [18:05] 28th for the next meeting? [18:05] Same time, same location [18:05] sure, though it'll be hard for me and steve to make it maybe [18:05] kiko, are you traveling? I leave on the 29th [18:05] let's make it 30th then [18:06] kiko: thanks. i think i know what to do, just didn't have any time left. i'm happy to finish this first if this is CP candidate, otherwise, will make sure it gets in for next release [18:06] intellectronica, if you wanna CP it I am fine with the idea. [18:06] depends on how crazy the patch is [18:06] kiko: pretty much re-implementing it. tried all other tricks already [18:07] :) [18:07] ok, no objections then to the 28th [18:07] intellectronica, let's chat about it after the meeting. [18:07] kiko: k [18:07] [AGREED] Next meeting on 28 Feb 2008 [18:07] AGREED received: Next meeting on 28 Feb 2008 [18:07] [TOPIC] Actions from last meeting [18:07] New Topic: Actions from last meeting [18:07] [ACTION] repost: salgado to investigate adding turbogears for codebrowse and germinate [18:08] ACTION received: repost: salgado to investigate adding turbogears for codebrowse and germinate [18:08] salgado, why don't we decide on that now? [18:08] do we still need to track intellectronica's task? [18:08] what is the issue with turbogears? [18:08] sorry for being late [18:08] adding it to launchpad-dependencies? [18:08] Rinchen, no, I'll sort it out with him. [18:08] k [18:08] kiko, we may have to depend on sqlobject as well [18:08] me [18:08] repost: danilos to investigate profiling and Rosetta team to prepare proposal for next week to fix remaining timeouts [18:08] sorry, traffic is not so good at this time ... [18:09] Rinchen: still not done, please carry over (I did make some more progress, but don't have a nice output yet) [18:09] salgado, oh, because it depends on sqlobject [18:09] thanks [18:09] [ACTION] repost: danilos to investigate profiling and Rosetta team to prepare proposal for next week to fix remaining timeouts [18:09] ACTION received: repost: danilos to investigate profiling and Rosetta team to prepare proposal for next week to fix remaining timeouts [18:09] statik/EdwinGrubbs - add introductory sentence above the license check-boxes for clarification. [18:09] salgado: an alternative is to put turbogears into sourcecode, maybe? [18:10] kiko, IIUC it doesn't depend, but we'd have to pull sqlobject in to stop turbogears from attempting to use sqlalchemy [18:10] Rinchen: there is a bug open for that [18:10] thumper, sure, that's one alternative [18:10] yeah, that's what I was going to mention [18:10] EdwinGrubbs, ok, then I'll drop it from the action list. thanks [18:10] thumper, do we depend on a specific version? [18:10] mthaddon - discuss updating devpad rocketfuel archives to packs and do so if lifeless ap [18:10] salgado: it would also make codebrowse run from a full tree [18:10] kiko: not sure, but I can check [18:11] EdwinGrubbs, what happened to the "GNU GPL" renaming bug? [18:11] Rinchen, that's not an RC issue, right? [18:11] kiko, it's still pending also [18:11] EdwinGrubbs, correct. At least not one that I'm aware of [18:11] EdwinGrubbs, pending also what? [18:11] Rinchen, my priority for the next week or so is shuffling around DB servers, but after that I'll be looking at upgrading rf on devpad to packs [18:12] kiko, it still needs to be done. I haven't worked on it, since I spent a lot of extra time getting the private membership model restrictions into RF [18:12] [ACTION] repost:mthaddon - discuss updating devpad rocketfuel archives to packs and do so if lifeless approved [18:12] ACTION received: repost:mthaddon - discuss updating devpad rocketfuel archives to packs and do so if lifeless approved [18:12] That's all I had for actions [18:12] [TOPIC] Oops report (Matsubara) [18:12] New Topic: Oops report (Matsubara) [18:12] Today's oops report is about bugs 193983, 194039 and some other checkwatches oops that I need to clear out with allenap/gmb. [18:12] Launchpad bug 193983 in malone "Oops deactivating account when the account has a conjoined bugtask assigned to it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193983 [18:12] Launchpad bug 194039 in malone "AttributeError updating mantis bugwatches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194039 [18:12] allenap is taking care of #194039 already. [18:13] matsubara, the first one is not that important, is it? [18:13] someone from Bugs volunteer to take 193983? [18:13] BjornT? [18:14] matsubara: I'll take that. [18:14] I'd say it doesn't happen frequently but it blocks disabling an account [18:14] thanks gmb [18:14] Is this something we want RC/CP'd? [18:15] gmb, depends on the patch -- if it's not huge, yes [18:15] gmb: depends on kiko, but I don't think that's critical [18:15] [ACTION] gmb to investigate Bug 193983 [18:15] Launchpad bug 193983 in malone "Oops deactivating account when the account has a conjoined bugtask assigned to it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193983 [18:15] ACTION received: gmb to investigate Bug 193983 [18:15] thanks gmb [18:15] Okay, we'll see how we go. [18:15] thank you. I'm done Rinchen [18:15] thanks matsubara [18:15] [TOPIC] Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [18:15] New Topic: Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [18:16] I'd like to quickly review 3 today [18:16] [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/193220 [18:16] LINK received: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/193220 [18:16] salgado, how is this going? [18:16] Launchpad bug 193220 in launchpad "Timeouts declining team invitation" [Critical,Confirmed] [18:16] gmb: I've been working on branch deletion, which brings up similar issues. There may be generalizations we should pursue. [18:16] [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/193656 [18:16] LINK received: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/193656 [18:16] Launchpad bug 193656 in soyuz "Process-death-row procedure became very slow" [Critical,Triaged] [18:16] cprov, how is this going? [18:16] [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/193698 [18:16] LINK received: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/193698 [18:16] Launchpad bug 193698 in rosetta "Uploading a non tar.gz file with the tar.gz file extension produces an OOPs" [Critical,In progress] [18:16] abentley: Right. Worth talking about, certainly. [18:16] carlos, how is this going? [18:17] Rinchen, I have to fix some test failures, but I'll probably have something up for review later today or tomorrow [18:17] gmb. da. [18:17] Rinchen: fixed and on production [18:17] Rinchen: not good, we don't have a short-term solution for it yet [18:17] salgado, thanks. Are blocked on anything? [18:17] Rinchen, nope [18:17] Rinchen: it was a rc bug and forgot to set it as fix committed [18:17] carlos, thanks. Please update the bug [18:17] carlos, cool, thanks [18:17] carlos: fix released, you mean? :) [18:17] cprov, what can we do to help? [18:17] danilos: well, it should now fix released, yes ;-) [18:17] cprov, why don't we chat about it tonight? are you going out? [18:18] I'd be happy to go over the code with you [18:18] kiko: it's a good idea, we can sort the detail after the meeting. [18:18] Rinchen: done [18:18] thanks [18:18] Rinchen: I will report back after talking with kiko [18:18] [ACTION] kiko and cprov to discuss bug 193656 [18:19] Launchpad bug 193656 in soyuz "Process-death-row procedure became very slow" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193656 [18:19] ACTION received: kiko and cprov to discuss bug 193656 [18:19] s/with/to ... I suck. [18:19] Thanks [18:19] [TOPIC] Bug tags [18:19] New Topic: Bug tags [18:19] there are none listed for discussion [18:19] cprov, with was correct [18:19] [TOPIC] Operations report (mthaddon) [18:19] New Topic: Operations report (mthaddon) [18:19] ok, I suck twice then :( [18:19] Migration to new DB server is complete [18:19] Herb getting up to speed on rollout/QA, and other LOSA tasks [18:19] Will be migrating demo to new DB server and starting with a fresh DB import from production [18:19] That's it from me unless there are any questions [18:20] mthaddon, should amend this to say mthaddon/herb ? [18:20] yeah, that'd be cool, thx Rinchen [18:20] mthaddon, what about carbon? [18:20] k [18:20] and staging? [18:21] kiko, that's what I was mentioning above - migrating those to new DB server [18:21] ah, demo and staging? [18:21] awesome [18:21] kiko, yeah [18:21] and those go to a twin of the new db server? [18:21] [TOPIC] DBA report (stub) [18:21] New Topic: DBA report (stub) [18:21] kiko, right [18:21] stub is unavailable [18:21] does anyone have his DBA report? [18:21] mthaddon, what happens to the old db servers, btw? [18:22] kiko, Landscape gets them [18:22] [ACTION] Rinchen to email stub asking for his weekly DBA report to be sent to the list. [18:22] ACTION received: Rinchen to email stub asking for his weekly DBA report to be sent to the list. [18:22] mthaddon, neat. [18:22] [TOPIC] Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [18:22] New Topic: Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [18:22] Hi! Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent? [18:23] silence. I guess that's good. :-) [18:23] :) [18:23] [TOPIC] New packages required (salgado) [18:23] New Topic: New packages required (salgado) [18:23] if you're seeing OOPSes because one of your branches added a new dependency for launchpad to run properly it means you should've talked to me earlier. ;) [18:24] salgado, statik and allenap reported something like this today [18:24] but I think it was because they hadn't apt-get upgraded [18:24] kiko: That was related to stub's postgres 8.3 branch. [18:24] it was due to trying out stubs branch with postgresql-8.3 [18:24] oic [18:25] that was weird [18:25] anything else for salgado ? [18:25] [TOPIC] A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [18:25] New Topic: A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [18:25] Hi fellow Launchppaders. Here's this week's user-affecting issue! [18:25] This is one for the translations guys. [18:26] One of Launchpad Translations' users emailed feedback@launchpad.net to request an additional filter for viewing translations. [18:26] He'd like to be able to view all strings that are "untranslated with no suggestions". [18:26] jtv, what do you think? [18:26] mpt also mentioned finding the default strange [18:26] punt carlos [18:26] sorry, carlos and danilos [18:26] that we display translated strings [18:26] mrevell: we've already considered that, and we'll probably be fixing that [18:27] danilos: Is there a bug already or would you like me to file one? [18:27] mrevell: but it involves also fixing the entire confusion we have right now with needs-review and new-suggestions [18:27] right [18:27] mrevell: I am not sure if there's a bug, you are free to file one, but this is about the semantics, not really a bug (i.e. we should not add another filter, but modify the current 'untranslated' one) [18:28] Right, I think I see although that still seems worthy of a bug report IMO. Okay, I'll hand back to you Rinchen. [18:28] Thanks danilos. Thanks mrevell. [18:28] [TOPIC] Bug #193062 Sometimes the OOPS page is not rendered correctly (matsubara) [18:28] Bug 193062 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/193062 is private [18:28] New Topic: Bug #193062 Sometimes the OOPS page is not rendered correctly (matsubara) [18:28] Bug 193062 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/193062 is private [18:28] That item is to remind me to ask SC team to take a look at that bug. jamesh commented on it already. SteveA and/or stub might be interested as well. [18:28] mrevell: I prefer to prioritize the task that danilo talked about than fixing that 'bug' [18:29] carlos: Okay, thanks. [18:30] matsubara, looks like you might want to email them directly about this one [18:30] Rinchen: I subscribed them to the bug report [18:30] matsubara, ok. Anything further for today on this item? [18:30] of course, anyone from the team is welcome to comment on it as well [18:30] Rinchen: but we can move on [18:31] thanks [18:31] thanks [18:31] [TOPIC] Displaying and documenting public release numbers of Launchpad (kiko) [18:31] New Topic: Displaying and documenting public release numbers of Launchpad (kiko) [18:31] ah, thanks! [18:31] so poolie has brought up the fact that nobody can actually tell what version of launchpad they are using [18:31] and I don't mean just revision number [18:31] I mean release number -- for instance 1.2.2 [18:32] so my question is [18:32] should we put this in the page footer [18:32] I think it is reasonable to add [18:32] and link it to a page with information on our release numbering? [18:32] who would change it at each release? [18:32] the only issue is that Rinchen will need to change it each release. :) [18:32] it would also be nice to add when it was released [18:32] * Rinchen laughs. [18:32] or to the release notes for that version [18:32] as in "version 1.2.2, released on 2008-02-21" [18:33] yes, I think so. There's been some discussion about whether these release numbers are of any interest to people who use LP but I think it makes sense, partiuclarly with barry's suggestion of linking to the release notes. [18:33] kiko, what about cherry picks which change the RF number but leave the release number the same? Any issue with that? [18:33] intellectronica: surely "released 3 days ago" ;-) [18:33] Rinchen, no -- it is still 1.2.2, just cherry-picked [18:33] Rinchen, so we'd actually have both revno and version [18:33] | Version 1.2.2 revision 5722 (2008-02-20) [18:34] or maybe omit the date [18:34] and just have the date in the page with the release notes [18:34] | Version _1.2.2_ revision 5722 [18:34] another nice thing to do would be to link from that footer to the release notes [18:34] That almost looks as though it's the 5722nd revision of version 1.2.2 [18:34] that's what the _x_ meant. [18:34] | Version _1.2.2_ build 5722 [18:35] mrevell, it's irrelevant, though, right? [18:35] we could probably just hard-code that into the main-template [18:35] | Version _1.2.2_ (build 5722) [18:35] kiko: Yeah, sure, just an observation [18:35] Rinchen, yeah, that's what I'm arguing for [18:35] kiko: +1 [18:35] why is it useful for users to know which version they're using? [18:35] kiko, I could do that at the same time as what's new. [18:35] matsubara: because we have release nots [18:35] matsubara, bug milestones. announcements. IRC chats. [18:35] s/nots/notes/ [18:36] I can contrive about 10 reasons in fact [18:36] Rinchen, that's what I'm thinking [18:36] +1 [18:36] and those release notes should link backward. e.g. 1.2.2's notes should link to the _previous version 1.2.1_ [18:36] matsubara: Also, I think it helps show the forward momentum of LP and hints that people can see future plans in our milestones. [18:36] [VOTE] [18:36] Please vote on: . [18:36] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [18:36] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #launchpad-meeting [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from kiko. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from thumper. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +! [18:36] +1 received from Rinchen. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from mrevell. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from sinzui. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from intellectronica. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from salgado. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from BjornT. 8 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8 [18:36] +1 received from barry. 9 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 9 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from allenap. 10 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 10 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from bac. 11 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 11 [18:37] +1 received from adeuring. 12 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 12 [18:37] +1 received from cprov. 13 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 13 [18:37] +1 [18:37] fucking spammy bot [18:37] +1 received from gmb. 14 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 14 [18:37] +1 [18:37] +1 received from EdwinGrubbs. 15 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 15 [18:37] so carried [18:37] #endvote [18:37] Rinchen: give up now [18:37] yeah [18:37] ok [18:37] #endvote is still busted [18:37] [AGREED] Add version number to main-template [18:37] AGREED received: Add version number to main-template [18:38] [ACTION] Rinchen to update what's new process to including updating the LP version number in main-template [18:38] ACTION received: Rinchen to update what's new process to including updating the LP version number in main-template [18:38] action for someone: fix MootBot to send personal messages regarding received votes ;) [18:38] kiko, anything else on this topic? [18:38] Is there any value in putting something similar on edge? e.g. "Working towards version 1.2.2?" [18:38] mrevell, it will automatically be there [18:38] Rinchen, not at all [18:38] mrevell, but with the old version [18:38] Rinchen, which is fine. the build number will differ. [18:38] mrevell, although if I do it release week it won't matter [18:39] Rinchen: not sure I understand, so I'll take that offline [18:39] mrevell, sure :-) [18:39] [TOPIC] Pre-release QA process (matsubara) [18:39] Vote is in progress. Finishing now. [18:39] Final result is 15 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 15 [18:39] New Topic: Pre-release QA process (matsubara) [18:39] Notice to all teams, please take a look at: https://launchpad.canonical.com/DiogoMatsubara/PreReleaseQA, if you have comments/suggestion to improve the process let me know. [18:40] matsubara, thanks for revamping that entire page with more details [18:40] matsubara, I think it's much better better than the original. Good job. [18:40] thanks Rinchen. that's all for that item [18:40] thanks [18:40] [TOPIC] Blockers [18:40] New Topic: Blockers [18:41] Releases Team: Not blocked. [18:41]