kirklandDuring this launchpad outage, are emailed bug updates to *@bugs.launchpad.net being queued such that those bugs will be updated accordingly when Launchpad comes back online?00:11
Rinchenkiko, they should be, yes00:14
Rinchenkirkland, ^^00:14
Rinchenhabit :-)00:15
kirklandRinchen: cool, thanks ;-)00:19
kirklandRinchen: I'll step back out so that kiko gets his "ki" back ;-)00:20
kirkland:-)  bye00:20
bdmurrayThe maintenance pages says "We plan to make new a Launchpad release on:" which reads funny to me01:03
kthakoreis launch pad supposed to be down right now?01:06
elmokthakore: yes, /topic01:06
elmoand http://news.launchpad.net/maintenance01:06
kthakoreoh UTC01:06
kthakoresorry I had the time as 11:0001:06
kthakoremy mistake01:07
superm1how come there was no warning all day when i was using it?01:11
slangasekthere was a countdown for the last hour or so01:11
superm1oh, of course i haven't touched it in 3 hrs or so :)01:12
mptGoooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!01:30
mwhudson_hello mpt01:34
jameshmpt: we aren't launchpadding at the moment01:34
mptWe're not?01:37
mpto i c01:37
Hobbseeheya mpt 01:40
mpthiya Hobbsee 01:41
mptI should take this time to figure out why the offline message isn't centered01:41
mpt.offline {text-align: center; max-width: 30em; margin: 2em auto;}01:46
mptthe "margin: 2em auto;" isn't centering it like it's supposed to01:47
Balaams_MiracleMan, i wish there was some way i could check what time it is at LP HQ01:52
thumperBalaams_Miracle: always UTC :-)01:53
lifelessthumper: except when its not :)01:54
thumperlifeless: whaddya mean?01:55
Balaams_MiracleHeh, but how do i know what time is UTC?01:55
thumperBalaams_Miracle: it depends, where are you?01:55
Balaams_MiracleI mean, i'm in the Netherlands. 01:56
thumperBalaams_Miracle: isn't it almost 3am there?01:56
Balaams_MiracleYes, 2:56 it says01:56
slangasekby running 'date --utc' or such01:56
thumperBalaams_Miracle: you're UTC +101:56
thumperso subtrace an hour01:56
Balaams_MiracleAh, thanks. One more hour to go then...01:56
* Balaams_Miracle is already getting withdrawal symptoms01:57
Balaams_MiracleNeed... fix... Must... wait...01:57
NafalloBalaams_Miracle: ntp.ubuntu.com02:01
Balaams_MiracleNafallo: Yes, that's a time server. I don't know what you are getting at.02:02
NafalloBalaams_Miracle: it is in the same location as the LP servers.02:03
Balaams_MiracleNafallo: Yes, but my PC isn't.02:03
Nafallothat wasn't the point...02:04
Nafallooh well.02:04
lifelessthumper: dst02:05
dmbhey, how much longer is launchpad down for?02:24
dmbi'm too lazy to convert timezones02:24
elmodmb:  /topic 02:24
dmbelmo: i'm too lazy to convert timezones02:25
lifelessdmb: I'm too lazy to do it for you.02:25
dmbcan you at least tell me if this was the hour that it started?02:25
lifelessits now 1325 AEDT02:25
ScottKI'm fairly certain he can.02:26
dmbok, thanks02:26
dmbthats all i needed to know :D02:26
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ubotuNew bug: #193857 in launchpad-bazaar "cherrypy error on unmirrored branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19385702:45
ubotuNew bug: #193845 in malone ""Sort by importance" sorts "Unknown" (from external bug trackers) on top" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19384502:46
ScottKAm I reading the LP front page correctly... I'm now automatically subscribed to any bug I comment on?02:48
RAOFWoah.  The "Delete Cache" page action may want some renaming :)02:50
RAOFI suspect that hitting "add checked words to dictionary" is not meant to result in "An error occurred in a Python script"02:54
mptScottK, no, but you can subscribe to all the bug reports associated with a milestone/project/package/distribution03:04
mptFor example, you could subscribe to Ubuntu upstart and be notified of all bug reports about that package03:05
ScottKBut I could do that before.03:05
ScottKMake myself a bug contact for the package03:06
ScottKhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clamav bug subscriptions as an example of one I've been subscribed to for a long time03:07
jameshScottK: the idea is to separate out the idea of being a "bug contact" (someone responsible for QA) and a "subscriber"03:10
* mpt scratches his head at "For Ubuntu: There are no bug subscriptions"03:11
mptThat doesn't make sense03:11
jameshScottK: someone doing QA may be given permissions to e.g. alter bug importances (something a project may want to restrict), which a subscriber wouldn't be able to03:11
jameshmpt: it just has a bug contact ...03:12
mptI mean, it's not true03:13
mptThere are thousands of bug subscriptions in Ubuntu03:13
mptI think it means "Nobody is subscribed to all of Ubuntu's bugs"03:14
elmo(which isn't true, there's a mailing list for them)03:14
ScottKI see.  Well I never ascribed any more to bug contact than I got sent a copy of the bug03:18
ScottKSigning up as bug contact doesn't give any extra powers, so I really don't understand the difference?03:20
mptMaybe now the term can be changed to something more obvious03:23
ScottKDunno.  AFAICT you've just invented a new feature functionally identical to the old one.03:23
mptI don't know if it was possible to have multiple package bug contacts in the past03:24
mptbut it wasn't possible to have multiple people subscribed to all bugs for a distribution or project, unless a dummy team was created to put them in.03:24
ScottKThe clamav example I showed a few minutes ago had three and has had for a long time.03:24
mptSo this might not be anything new for packages, but it's new for projects and distributions. And milestones.03:25
ScottKOK.  That I can see.  You might correct the description then.03:25
mpt"Subscribe to bugmail"?03:36
mptoh, "bug mail"03:37
jameshScottK: there were no extra powers given to "bug contacts" previously because there were no restrictions on who could become a bug contact03:37
jameshthat'll change in future03:38
ScottKjamesh: Are there restrictions now?03:38
ScottKSo are all the current bug contacts going to be automatically downgraded then?03:38
jameshScottK: all bug contacts were converted to subscriptions03:39
jameshScottK: and it isn't exactly a downgrade, since it is giving you the same features as before03:40
jameshbut you can now also subscribe to projects03:40
jameshand the subscription support can be extended to more than just bugs03:40
ubotuNew bug: #193870 in malone "Source package page makes false claims about "Bug subscriptions"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19387003:41
* ScottK didn't file that one.03:41
ScottKjamesh: None of which sounds like it's of any interest to Ubuntu developers, just other projects.03:41
ScottKBTW, I did read the feature announcement.  This is all very confusing.03:42
jameshScottK: it might not offer much benefit yet, but that will change in future03:43
ScottK"Launchpad automatically sends you emails whenever there's an update to a bug that you've reported, is assigned to you or that you've commented on." sounds to me like any bug I comment on I'll start getting bug mail on.03:43
comperrheh - I was here before - but I forgot who I was speaking too - who is the pastebinit creator again ?03:43
jameshScottK: one of the planned features is to allow more fine grained control over the notifications too03:44
jameshScottK: e.g. you might only care when bugs are created or fixed for a package, but not care about every single comment made to those bugs03:45
ScottKOK, but how does changing bug contacts to bug subscriptions help that?  So far you've just changed the name.03:46
jameshjust think of it as a new name for the old feature that more accurately describes its purpose, if that helps.03:47
ScottKThen don't announce it as a NEW feature.03:47
jamesh... it _is_ a new feature03:48
ScottKNot for packages it's not.  It's got a new name with no functional differences03:48
jameshe.g. you couldn't previously subscribe to all bugs targeted at ubuntu-8.04, for instance03:49
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ScottKThat's true, but unrelated to packages.03:49
ScottKI'm not saying that for milestones, projects, etc it's not new, but for packages it's not new.03:50
ubotuNew bug: #193872 in malone "Can't subscribe to all something's bug reports from its Bugs page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19387204:05
ubotuNew bug: #193873 in launchpad "Nobody wants to "Subscribe to bug mail"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19387304:05
poolieany ppa hackers around?04:30
Hobbseepoolie: devs?  users who know far too much about ppa?04:33
pooliedevs, i guess04:35
pooliebut i worked it out - packages with builddep problems04:36
pooliedon't generate an error, or at least not for a very long time04:36
jameshPPA does need improvements w.r.t. timely status updates04:37
Hobbseepoolie: you don't get the generated mail?04:42
RAOFHobbsee: There's no mail that I've noticed when your PPA package hits depwait.04:44
HobbseeRAOF: oh, depwait, yeah04:44
pooliei think it would be nice if you got, say,04:44
poolieone mail if it can't immediately be built, or not within 5m04:45
poolieand another after say 7d, saying "Giving up"04:45
RAOFOr, rather, tell you immediately if the package it's waiting on isn't also in your PPA's build queue.04:46
RAOFOr, in fact, shedule the builds based on dependency information :)04:46
HobbseeRAOF: you'd probably need the global builds stuff to do that, though.04:46
pooliewell, something like that04:46
pooliethe main point is, _say something_04:46
RAOFHobbsee: Oh, I'm sure the reason it's not done like that already is that the infrastructure doesn't support it.04:47
RAOFIt'd be nice if the infrastructure _did_ support it, though :)04:47
lifelessRAOF: build deps are NPC04:47
* RAOF tries to parse as Not Pre Calculateable04:48
lifelessRAOF: npcomplete04:48
lifelessnon polynomial 04:48
RAOFlifeless: Which doesn't mean that you can't solve it.04:48
RAOFJust that it scales insanely.04:48
RAOFFor the record, I'd use NP-C for NP-complete ;)04:49
lifelessright; so like many things 'good' but not 'correct' answers are possible with better scaling04:49
HobbseeRAOF: dream about it.  but really, don't expect it anytime soon.04:49
lifelessAIUI thats what happens here04:49
RAOFI wasn't actually after trawling the entire dependency chain.  Just 'I upload foo which depends on bar, and bar at the same time, please try to build bar first'.04:50
jameshbuild deps are non-player characters04:50
RAOFAnother valid parsing :)04:51
pooliein https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive, bzrtools 1.2.0-1~bazaar2~edgy1 seems to be a native package or something04:51
poolieat any rate it has just a .tar, not an orig and diff04:52
pooliei wonder why04:52
HobbseeRAOF: reprio'ing ftw.04:52
HobbseeRAOF: and uploading in order, with sufficient gaps, preferably with a script or something, ftw too.04:52
poolieanother approach would be to give people a button saying "build this now"04:52
poolieor what Hobbsee said04:52
RAOFpoolie: 04:52
RAOFpoolie: That button exists.04:52
Hobbseepoolie: and how many people do you think *won't* hit that button?04:52
HobbseeRAOF: sure, but few have access to it04:53
pooliereally? where?04:53
RAOFHobbsee: I'm talking about PPAs right now.  Isn't anyone else?04:53
Hobbseeyou cant see it if you're not a buildd admin.04:53
Hobbseeyou can't rescore for ppa, or ubuntu, unless you're a buildd admin04:53
Hobbseeam i misunderstanding you?04:53
RAOFMaybe I'm misunderstanding you.  There _is_ a *re*build this now button.04:54
HobbseeRAOF: afaik, everyone's talking about ppa's here04:54
jameshpoolie: "view build records", find the failed build and there is an item in the actions menu to retry it04:54
HobbseeRAOF: oh sure.  after it's failed.04:54
HobbseeRAOF: what i think poolie's asking for is "let me specify the build order of my packages *before* they go thru and fail"04:54
Hobbseeit still apperas to take a lot longer than it should for builds to fail, and then have to redo all the builds, in order04:55
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Hobbseeguten morgen carlos!  Wie gehts?07:50
carlosHobbsee: I understand the first part, I guess the second part is something like "How's going?", right?07:51
carlosHobbsee: so, I'm fine, thanks :-P and you?07:52
Hobbseeyeah :)07:52
* Hobbsee is doing OK. dealing with email07:52
philn__will #193656 be fixed for next code update?09:11
Fujitsubug #19365609:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 193656 in soyuz "Process-death-row procedure became very slow" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193656 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)09:11
FujitsuAs it's critical, it may be fixed within days. If it's not, it will be fixed in about a month.09:12
philn__Fujitsu: ok... until then i'm stuck, i want to upload a pkg to my PPA but it's always rejected because the old .orig.tag.gz remains on the pool :(09:16
philn__could someone remove the files from my pool please? ;)09:21
Fujitsuphiln__: When did you delete them? That bug may not be your problem.09:22
philn__about 13 hours ago09:22
FujitsuI suggest waiting a while longer, or incrementing the version number.09:23
philn__ah you mean the upstream version number09:24
Kmoshttps://edge.launchpad.net/ddclient -> how do I remove this?09:25
Kmosi've registered it09:25
FujitsuKmos: Why should it be removed?09:28
KmosFujitsu: because I support it, and I like to remove it09:29
FujitsuIt's a valid project, and has no reason to be removed.09:29
Kmosor else, give another person the register status09:29
FujitsuRight, that's different.09:29
Kmosbut it has my contact09:29
FujitsuAssign it to registry.09:29
Fujitsu~registry, that is.09:29
Kmoshow to do it ?09:30
FujitsuChange owner, or registrant, or whatever it is. There are three different terms used on the page for that one thing.09:30
Kmosi'll do it09:32
Kmos"maintainer" is there too09:32
FujitsuThat's it, yes.09:32
KmosThere's no person/team named '~registry' in Launchpad.09:33
Kmoswithout the ~09:33
KmosBug contact:   Marco Rodrigues09:34
KmosSecurity contact: Marco Rodrigues09:34
Kmosstill mine09:34
FujitsuYou need to remove yourself as both.09:34
Kmosthat was before i change maintainer09:36
Kmosnow i can't change anything09:36
FujitsuCan one really not remove oneself from either of those positions!?09:36
Kmosi don't think so09:36
FujitsuThat's almost as crazy as Blueprint's assigning.09:36
Kmosthe menu links to do that, have been disabled09:37
Kmosafter i change maintainer09:37
TankEnMateis there a way on launchpad to get bzr repos using rsync?09:37
FujitsuTankEnMate: What's wrong with HTTP?09:37
KmosFujitsu: could you report i as bugg? :)09:37
TankEnMatebzr initial checkouts are a big turn off09:37
FujitsuKmos: You'll need to poke an admin to remove you as them, then. I may well file a bug on that.09:37
FujitsuTankEnMate: If you own the branch, you can use bzr+ssh.09:37
KmosFujitsu: thanks09:38
TankEnMatei just did a bzr initial check out, it took over 5 minutes, used over 500M of RAM and blew away my file cache...09:38
LarstiQFujitsu: or in general have access to?09:38
FujitsuLarstiQ: Only if you have write access, no?09:38
FujitsuTankEnMate: 500M RAM!?09:38
LarstiQFujitsu: that is what I meant indeed. (So membership of team owning it also works)09:38
TankEnMateI used bzr+ssh to check out.. it took ages, sucked everything into RAM and only _then_ wrote out..09:38
FujitsuLarstiQ: Being a member of the team that owns it means you own it.09:39
LarstiQFujitsu: fair enough, I disagree on the terminology, but I understand you now :)09:39
TankEnMateIf I didn't have to check this stuff out it would have turned my right off...09:39
FujitsuTankEnMate: How big is the branch?09:39
TankEnMateF: just a tick09:39
FujitsuI have a branch or two that takes hours, but it's gigantic.09:39
FujitsuMost take a few seconds.09:39
TankEnMate489M    .09:40
Fujitsu5 minutes for 489M isn't bad.09:40
TankEnMateF: why does it want to suck everything into RAM first?!? what a waste!09:40
FujitsuTankEnMate: That'd be bzr's problem.09:41
TankEnMateA check out should really be nothing more than a straight copy of the head09:41
Fujitsubzr co --lightweight09:41
LarstiQTankEnMate: that would be a lightweight checkout, not a full one09:41
TankEnMateYeah I know it is bzr's problem, then why use bzr, but thats a whole different kettle of fish..09:41
Fujitsubzr works really well most of the time.09:42
TankEnMateAhhh maybe for first timers checking out a tree you should inform them to do a lightweight checkout..09:42
TankEnMateF: I must admit I am used to git09:42
TankEnMateHmm I'm going to email the ubuntu desktop course guys and get them to mention the lightweight checkout for first timers..09:46
lifelessTankEnMate: what version of bzr were you using?09:46
lifelessTankEnMate: and what format is the tree in, also does it have very large files? we generally flush stuff to disk as soon as each delta is verified09:46
TankEnMate1.0-1~gutsy1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status)09:46
lifelessTankEnMate: you will find 1.2 to be better09:46
TankEnMatelifeless: ack09:47
lifelessTankEnMate: doing a lightweight checkout is probably not the right thing for first timers; lightweight checkouts have no local history, so it performs worse overall.09:47
TankEnMatelifeless: bzr 1.2 isn't in backports though..09:47
lifelessTankEnMate: its in the bzr team ppa09:47
TankEnMatelifeless: so how to do a quick clone then?09:47
TankEnMatelifeless: ack, I'm just trying to figure an easy way to make first time d/ls for large repos not have to have to jump through too many hoops09:48
lifelessTankEnMate: 'bzr branch' or 'bzr checkout' (depending on whether you want a new branch or commit access to an existing branch)09:49
lifelessTankEnMate: thats all thats needed.09:49
TankEnMatelifeless: yes, but it chews soo much memory..09:50
TankEnMateover 500M on my machine to check out..09:50
lifelessTankEnMate: in 1.0. Which has an older network protocol that is less efficient. 09:50
TankEnMateand it only starts writing out files once its all in RAM..09:50
lifelessTankEnMate: test with the current release; then discuss with bzr upstream.09:50
TankEnMatelifeless: would there be support for 1.2 to go into the official gutsy backports then?09:51
FujitsuWhen it's in Hardy, it will most likely be backported.09:51
lifelessTankEnMate: you're wrong about the behaviour of bzr in general; whatever you saw is likely a result of backwards compatibility code kicking in.09:51
FujitsuA FeatureFreeze exception has been granted for bzr 1.209:51
lifelessTankEnMate: thats really unrelated, there is gutsy support in the bzr +ppa.09:51
TankEnMatelifeless: ahh09:51
lifelesslater folk09:51
TankEnMatelifeless: I'm trying to get this to work for uneducated desktop users..09:52
FujitsuWhy do they need such a ridiculously massive tree?09:52
TankEnMateFujitsu: its user documentation :)09:52
TankEnMateFujitsu: I think I'll just have to set up a server that does nightly builds of the documentation and ships it out to the users...09:53
TankEnMateFujitsu: it is for translators..09:53
TankEnMateFujistsu: they have good natural language skills, not so good computer skills..09:54
FujitsuWhy not just ship out a tarball of the branch once, and have them pull the branch regularly?09:54
TankEnMateFujistsu: thats what I was hoping to avoid.. but looks like I will have to do something similar..09:54
FujitsuYou only have to do it to each machine once.09:55
TankEnMateFujistsu: I'll probably wind up just burning stuff on to DVDs with a few scripts and send it to them in the post..09:55
TankEnMateThat and bzr 1.2 debs09:56
TankEnMateFujistsu: can bzr do deltas on binary files? or will it just copy then new ones down in toto?09:57
FujitsuIt does binary deltas.09:58
TankEnMatew00t good stuff09:58
TankEnMateFujistsu: Do you have the bzr +ppa URI handy?09:59
Fujitsuhttps://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive, most likely.09:59
TankEnMateack, thanks!09:59
TankEnMatehow stable are ppa debs? Good enough to just push to j. random user?10:01
mptGooooooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders!10:02
HobbseeTankEnMate: surely that depends on how stable the source is?10:02
TankEnMatepick the Aussie :)10:02
TankEnMateHobbsee: Thats kind of what I was asking..10:03
* Fujitsu welcomes mpt back to a sane timezone.10:03
HobbseeTankEnMate: right, so if you upload a stable source, then the binary will be stable.10:03
Hobbseehte converse is also true10:03
FujitsuThe bzr devs are one of the only upstreams I trust to make their own packages.10:04
TankEnMateHobbsee: not know what ppa stands for I don't have any feel for it..10:04
TankEnMateF: Thanks..10:04
HobbseeTankEnMate: personal package archives?10:04
TankEnMateI am a Debian user origionally, i use sid myself, but in the past have given stable to clients..10:05
TankEnMateHobbsee: thanks!10:05
TankEnMateI am moving to Ubuntu because it is more up to date for my clients..10:05
mvodanilos: hello! could you quickly help me with a rosetta export? I got a tarball that looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4820/ - why are some po files put into the toplevel dir and some under main/ ? (main is the name of the component)10:06
danilosmvo: the ones under 'main/' are probably existing translations, and the ones in toplevel are those which have been newly translated in Launchpad10:07
danilosmvo: I can try fixing it manually, though10:07
mvodanilos: aha! thanks10:08
danilosmvo: (i.e. on import, they were inside main/...)10:08
mvodanilos: right, so those were not touched since the import, but the other ones were?10:08
danilosmvo: well, it's not actually that useful information10:09
danilosmvo: it's only that those in main/ have existed in the package as well10:09
danilosmvo: and I can't actually fix them from the UI; carlos, do we have an existing bug for this (if you happen to know, since we had a similar complaint recently)?10:10
carlosdanilos: yeah, we have a bug about it10:11
carloslet me look for it...10:11
daniloscarlos: thanks10:11
mvodanilos, carlos: its not urgent, I was just curious about it10:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 148286 in rosetta "multiple template export has wrong directory names" [High,Confirmed] 10:14
ubotuNew bug: #193940 in rosetta "Import queue UI will link to inactive products" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19394010:30
Hobbseepoolie: good mail11:12
* Fujitsu checks how far read-only-launchpad has been deferred.11:13
HobbseeFujitsu: it doesn't matter how long it's been deferred currently.  they'll just keep redeferring it by a month, as they wish.11:14
sorenSo... How's the trolling business these days?11:18
lifelessFujitsu: TankEnMate: I think you are reinventing the wheel if you ship a tar; bzr _should_ work fine. I repeat - try it with 1.2, if it doesn't do the right thing file bugs.11:19
* Fujitsu only suggested that as an alternative to shipping lots of tarballs regularly.11:21
Fujitsusoren: My statement was relevant and quite valid.11:21
Hobbseemine was probably trolling, but still quite valid none-the-less.11:22
Hobbseestill, we have delete now.  i can still continue celebrating that.11:22
sorenFujitsu: I was referring to Hobbsee.11:23
Fujitsusoren: I see.11:23
Hobbseesoren: if i actually had a trolling business...trust me, i'd do it better.11:24
sorenmm hm.11:24
* Hobbsee wonders if the rollout docs are finished yet, and if so, where they are11:26
Hobbseesoren: actually, i'll take my trolling back.  with this rollout, they haven't broken the scripts.11:29
HobbseeFujitsu: oh, rock on!  we should be able to get old sources now, too!11:33
FujitsuYep, that was cherrypicked a while back.11:33
FujitsuWhich also unbroke quite a number of other links.11:34
Hobbseehadn't been done when i left, i didn't think11:34
Hobbseethe trouble of going on holidays :P11:34
FujitsuShouldn't launchpad's Code tab be disabled now that that page and its branches are now private?12:14
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cprov-outFujitsu: Hobbsee: have you uploaded anything to PPA after the rollout ?12:46
Hobbseecprov-out: nope12:46
Hobbseecprov-out: i can try if you like, though12:46
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cprovHobbsee: yes, I would like you to try. It's super-fast ;)12:47
* Hobbsee uploads12:47
FujitsuBuild creation? Or something is even more super-fast?12:48
* Hobbsee waits12:49
cprovFujitsu: yes, build creation on upload-time.12:49
FujitsuVery nice.12:50
FujitsuThat is one of the most common questions of late.12:50
cprovFujitsu: yes, but now it's *past* :)12:51
Hobbseecprov: oh wow!12:51
Hobbseebuild's already started, too!12:51
Hobbseewlel done!12:52
Fujitsu... wow.12:52
Spadswell that strikes me as luck :)12:52
Hobbseeand now it says pending.12:54
FujitsuOh, building from accepted in PPA too?12:54
cprovHobbsee: great, your moin binaries ETA was 5 minutes12:54
Hobbseecprov: was?12:54
FujitsuOoh, changelog on +archive too.12:55
cprovpublisher is running (:00)12:55
HobbseeFujitsu: yeah, bigjools did that a while ago12:55
FujitsuAnd publishing stuff.... Very nice.12:55
Hobbseehey seb128 12:55
seb128does anybody there has an idea why gdm launchpad bug comments are sent to their upstream mailinglist?12:55
Hobbseecprov: so, are we supposed to be able to access teh binaries as soon as i'ts built?12:56
Hobbseeseb128: what's the address of the upstream mailing list?12:56
Fujitsuseb128: All of them!?12:56
kikoseb128, yes, jcastro and I were talking to the maintainers and they suggested that, but have since found it's not a great idea12:56
seb128Hobbsee: gdm-list@gnome.org12:57
kikoseb128, I think they've reverted that -- chat with jcastro 12:57
Hobbseekiko: did they give the reason for why?  i know amarok was doing the same thing12:57
Hobbseeat lesat for a while12:57
cprovHobbsee: no, they have to reach the archive first (being published)12:57
seb128could you include the desktop team in the discussion where you are doing such changes?12:57
kikoHobbsee, why they didn't like it?12:57
Hobbseekiko: yes12:57
kikoHobbsee, I guess it was a lot of traffic and they didn't prepare the list subscribers properly12:58
kikoseb128, talk to jcastro 12:58
seb128kiko: ok, will do, thanks12:58
Hobbseekiko: right12:58
kikoHobbsee, if you're subscribed and all of a sudden you get this deluge of bugmail..12:58
Hobbseekiko: yeah, true.12:59
Hobbseekiko: i have that fun every time a team i belong to suddenly gets subscribed to another thing in launchpad.12:59
kikosame here12:59
Hobbseeand i wonder "why the hell did launchpad spam me...again???"12:59
Hobbseebonus points for the recent mailing list screwup.13:00
kikowhat's that?13:00
Spadshttp://sourcefrog.net/weblog/random/angry-moron.html <-- Hobbsee 13:00
* Fujitsu noted the mailing list spam.13:01
HobbseeSpads: i got 1600+ mails in the week that i was away.  i really *don't* need more mail to deal with, especially random mail from untested screwups.  please :)13:01
kikono idea what you are talking about13:01
FujitsuMembers of mailing-list-beta-testers get emails about people being accepted into the group.13:02
Hobbseekiko: looks like all members of the LP beta testers got spammed with bits of teams being joined to a team, and then being removed from that team, for a while.13:02
FujitsuMembers are the teams that have mailing lists.13:02
FujitsuSo the mailing lists get spammed as new teams get permission to get mailing lists.13:02
kikoand not just admins?13:02
FujitsuApparently not.13:02
SpadsHobbsee: haha I know, it's just that I love the name "angry moron newsletter" for being subscribed to a list where all the posts are surprised members shouting "TAKE ME OFF THIS SPAM LIST *NOW* YOU CRIMINAL!"13:02
Hobbseekiko: correct.13:03
ScottKMembers of teams that are indirect members of teams that are in mailing-list-beta-testers get the mails too13:03
FujitsuScottK: Even better.13:03
HobbseeScottK: oh, lovely.13:03
ScottKIt's been on my list to file a bug, but I haven't gotten to it yet.13:03
HobbseeScottK: which is all of ubuntu-control and above, no?13:03
Hobbseeer,  ubuntu-buglords?  the old ubuntu-qa?13:03
Fujitsuubuntu-bugcontrol, though I liked ubuntu-buglords better.13:04
* Hobbsee wonders exactly how many people that spammed, then.13:04
HobbseeSpads: haha :)13:04
FujitsuOnly those who subscribe. Which is probably not too many.13:04
cprovHobbsee: all done for your moin upload, assuming no buildfarm load, source->build->binary will get done within one single  PPA publishing cycle (20 minutes)13:04
HobbseeFujitsu: to m-l-b-t?13:04
Hobbseecprov: wow!  nice!13:04
Fujitsucprov: Very, very nice.13:04
FujitsuHobbsee: To their team13:04
Fujitsu*team's mailing list.13:04
ScottKHobbsee: Yes.  I get the mails because I'm ubunt-dev which is an indirect member of ubuntu-bug-control13:04
FujitsuI think.13:05
FujitsuOh, I guess if a team doesn't have an ML, it will fall through to all members...13:05
HobbseeFujitsu: which, in the case of some of the teams, still doesn't exist, so everyone gets an individual mail13:05
FujitsuScottK: Am I to presume that the ubuntu-bugcontrol email was the last you got?13:05
FujitsuOnce ubuntu-bugcontrol actually got a mailing list, emails to individual members should have stopped.13:05
ScottKNo, I've gotten mails about people being unable to subscribe to the beta team13:06
* ScottK will find and pastebin13:06
HobbseeFujitsu: lp should never have been giving teams-added emails to non-admins anyway.13:06
FujitsuI didn't think so.13:06
HobbseeFujitsu: i presume that bug got stomped on and fixed, before mass spam13:07
Hobbseeas in, only one lot of teams, not all of them13:07
FujitsuMaybe it's different because they're teams, not normal people, so it was thought a good idea to mail everyone.13:07
ScottKFujitsu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56837/13:07
HobbseeFujitsu: iz bug.  didn't happen normally.13:07
FujitsuScottK: Ah, I didn't notice that one as being personalised, but I guess it must have been.13:08
FujitsuSomebody should probably file a bug.13:08
HobbseeScottK: that's not someone being unable to subscribe to the beta team?13:09
ScottKMy spamcop workflow is a lot quicker than my LP bug filing work flow.  I figure eventually either will be effective.13:09
ScottKHobbsee: I got one of those too.13:09
HobbseeScottK: just filter anything from bounces@launchpad.net.  problem solved.13:10
FujitsuScottK: Do you have any other path to m-l-b-t?13:10
Hobbseethere's no rationale in that mail.  interesting13:10
ScottKNot that I know of.13:10
ScottKLet me find another13:10
FujitsuHobbsee: Well, it's fairly obvious that it is because you're a member of the team, I think.13:11
HobbseeFujitsu: oh, indeed.13:11
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HobbseeFujitsu: makes it kinad hard to filter though - they should all be having rationales13:12
ScottKOther and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56838/ the only other one I've gotten was the one about joining mlbt.13:12
HobbseeScottK: i think that was the one that all people in -bugcontrol got13:13
Hobbseeas in, those two pastebinned ones13:13
FujitsuSomeone didn't set the contact address of -bugcontrol to the mailing list, which is why the world is getting spammed.13:13
ScottKI'd say as only an indirect member it's doubly wrong.13:14
Hobbseeoh, bugger.13:14
FujitsuI don't see why indirect members should be treated any differently to direct members. But emailing everyone is wrong.13:14
Hobbseecan't actually *stop* the lp mail at all, without walking away from ubuntu.13:14
HobbseeFujitsu: were there plans to allow any team to have their own mailing list?13:15
FujitsuHobbsee: That's the point of the mailing list feature, I presume.13:15
Hobbseeemailing everyone is always wrong - in fact, i wonder if it officially counts as spam13:15
FujitsuAny LP dev around here who might know why everyone is getting spammed, rather than just admins?13:15
HobbseeFujitsu: yeah, but what status is it?  vaporware, buggy-but-exists, or done-ready-for-production?13:16
FujitsuHobbsee: Beta testing. Hence the team.13:16
ScottKor renaming and existing feature and calling it something new.13:16
HobbseeFujitsu: oh.  i've only skimmed that mail so far.  my bad.13:16
Hobbseei'ts got something to do with processing 1600+ email in the last 30 hours...13:17
FujitsuScottK: Which existing feature?13:17
* Hobbsee wonders about being able to filter LP bugmail to start with13:18
ScottKFujitsu: The ability to sign up as "Bug Contact" for a package is now some other name and a wonderful new feature.13:18
FujitsuScottK: That's actually a useful feature, as you can now subscribe to bugs for a distribution or project.13:18
FujitsuPackages just happen to use the same unified mechanism now.13:18
ScottKFujitsu: Yes, but it's not a new feature for packages and it's not correct to describe it as such.13:21
HobbseeScottK: they haven't described it, have they?  there's been no annoucement yet?13:22
ScottKIt's on the LP features page13:22
* Fujitsu hasn't seen one.13:22
FujitsuAh, on /13:22
ScottKHobbsee: Yes.  The only notification Ubuntu developers have had about changes in this release is a blog post saying show up and see what's changed13:23
HobbseeScottK: hm, it's not on ubuntu-devel@ yet13:24
ScottKHobbsee: No.  It was on planet13:24
ScottKThat's it13:24
FujitsuHm, interesting, subscribing to milestones.13:25
HobbseeFujitsu: yummy13:25
FujitsuI don't see it on Planet.13:25
Hobbseethat'll make release management, etc, easier13:25
ScottKIt was there two days ago13:25
FujitsuI see that, but not the usual announcement.13:25
Fujitsuw/ release notes, etc.13:26
ubotuNew bug: #193983 in malone "Oops deactivating account when the account has a conjoined bugtask assigned to it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19398313:26
ScottKFujitsu: AFAIK there hasn't been one.13:26
Hobbseehi statik 13:29
Hobbseecprov: what was the rationale for not keeping previous versions of sources and binaries in a ppa?13:30
Hobbseeas in, on LP at all, not in the ppa archive?13:30
* Fujitsu wonders if they're in librarian.13:30
cprovHobbsee: uhm, they remain in librarian and in the primary archive UI13:31
cprovHobbsee: they are only hidden in the PPA UI13:31
Fujitsucprov: No files are published for this package.13:31
Fujitsus/are //13:32
cprovFujitsu: bug me ;)13:32
* Hobbsee smells a gpl violation again.13:32
* Fujitsu files a bug.13:33
Hobbseeand that's a strange form of delete!13:33
cprovHobbsee: NO it isn't a gpl violation, binaries are already gone longer before the sources vanish from the UI.13:33
Fujitsucprov: That's irrelevant, I believe.13:33
FujitsuHm, actually, not sure which clause it would be distributed under.13:34
FujitsuNot 3a, I don't think it's 3c, so it is probably 3b.13:35
* Hobbsee quietly dies over legalese13:43
Hobbseecprov: i hope you're right...13:47
cprovHobbsee: okay, it doesn't mean that we don't want to show your package files straight from librarian. Actually it would be nice if you can file a bug about it.13:48
Fujitsuubotu is slow.13:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is slow. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi13:48
barryhi folks, kiko mentioned that there was a discussion about mailing lists and the mailing-lists-beta-testers spam.  i'm here to answer any questions you might have13:49
HobbseeFujitsu: arent you alreayd filing one?13:49
kikobarry, read backscroll? :)13:49
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FujitsuHobbsee: Did so 9 minutes ago now.13:49
HobbseeFujitsu: ah goody.  #?13:50
* kiko lets Fujitsu and Hobbsee and ScottK take it out on barry :)13:50
Fujitsubarry: Basically, we're all being emailed about some membership changes in m-l-b-t.13:50
ubotuNew bug: #193996 in soyuz "PPA packages unavailable once deleted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19399613:50
Hobbseethere we are13:50
kikogpl violation, pffft13:50
ScottKemailed being the kind word to use for it.13:50
barryFujitsu: that should be fixed now.  it wasn't really related to mailing lists, but it was caused by the way membership in mlbt is required, the fact that we didn't have a contact address on ~mlbt, and one of our guys hit the wrong button ;)13:51
barryFujitsu: we solved this by adding a contact address to ~mlbt, so that can't happen again13:51
Fujitsubarry: Shouldn't only admins be emailed on membership changes anyway?13:51
kikobarry, one question I have is whether team /members/ should be emailed on membership changes.13:52
barryFujitsu, Hobbsee and everyone: we're /really/ sorry about that!13:52
FujitsuThat's what seems to happen with mortal teams.13:52
HobbseeFujitsu: i didn't think so?13:52
FujitsuHobbsee: I don't get emailed when new MOTU appear.13:52
barryFujitsu, kiko that's a great question.  i actually don't think regular members /should/ be emailed on membership changes either13:52
HobbseeFujitsu: exactly.  that's hwat i'm saying too.  i thin i'm misreading you then13:52
FujitsuI haven't seen regular members be emailed like that before.13:53
FujitsuMaybe it's because they're team membership changes.13:53
barrydoesn't the contact address get membership changes?13:53
FujitsuOh, actually.13:54
Hobbseebarry: no.13:54
FujitsuI forget what's a contact address for what, and what isn't... too many lists.13:54
Hobbseeotherwise u-u-s would get them all, and i don't see them dumped in the mod queue, so, no.13:54
kikobarry, I'd like to understand exactly why the users got mailed, because it sounds really strange to me.13:54
barrykiko: ok, let's work it backwards, because i'm not sure i understand how they got emailed either13:55
kikoHobbsee, can you forward barry a membership-change email with full headers?13:56
barrythe other thing is: are people /still/ getting emailed about membership changes?  i did set up a contact address maybe 18 hours ago i think13:56
Fujitsubarry: I haven't seen any in a couple of days.13:56
kikobarry, is the contact email address set up getting membership changes?13:56
Hobbseekiko: there were a couple of ones above from ScottK.13:56
barrykiko: i /think/ so, but i'm not sure13:56
Hobbseehttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56837/ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56838/13:56
kikothanks sarah13:57
Hobbseeyou're welcome.  i'm assuming those are the ones that you want13:57
kikobarry, ah, that's something else.13:57
kikoit's interesting.13:57
kikoare team members emailed when the team is added to another team? should they?13:58
Hobbseekiko: when the team taht they're in is added to another?13:58
ScottKI'd think they shouldn't.  It's an administrative question.13:58
Hobbseekiko: i can't see why they should be13:58
barrykiko: also, there have really been two types of membership changes in mlbt.  i don't think anybody ever got the rejection notices, but they got the erroneous acceptance notice13:58
Fujitsubarry: I got the acceptance and expiration.13:58
barrykiko: and remember that was mlbt getting joined to coriander, not the other way around13:59
kikoyes, yes13:59
* ScottK too. See the pastes above13:59
barryFujitsu: i did too, but i'm not sure what that expiration notice was13:59
kikobarry, but I think that Hobbsee and ScottK have a point -- members shouldn't be emailed on this sort of change.13:59
kikothat it's a bug13:59
kikoonly admins should.13:59
barrykiko: i totally agree14:00
FujitsuIt's a different sort of change to what I thought it was; I didn't read the entire email properly, so assumed it was the other way around... Oops.14:00
ScottKCurrently the only way for me to avoid these types of emails is to deactivate myself as an ubuntu-dev.  A bit extreme14:00
HobbseeScottK: or blackhole the address in launchpad.14:00
barrykiko: do we have a bug open for this issue yet?14:00
HobbseeScottK: depends if you carea bout bugmail14:00
kikobarry, I doubt it.14:00
kikomatsubara, salgado: agreed that it's a bug that team members get spammed if their team is added or removed/expired from another team?14:01
* barry runs off to report the bug14:01
FujitsuSome people would probably want to know when they implicitly become part of a new team, but probably not on such a large scale as this.. hmm...14:01
ScottKavoid/avoid it being sent to me.14:01
kikomatsubara, salgado: if so, does it already exist? help barry out :)14:01
kikoScottK, Fujitsu, Hobbsee: just to be 1 million percent clear14:01
kikoScottK, Fujitsu, Hobbsee: all the bits of "spam" you received had to do with this "Coriander" team.14:01
kikoScottK, Fujitsu, Hobbsee: confirm?14:01
Hobbseekiko: i think so, yes.14:01
ScottKFor this issue, yes.  14:01
ScottKI'm not sure I need mails that a team I'm an indirect member of has been added to a team, but that's much less clear.14:02
kikookay, thanks. 14:02
FujitsuA lot of people seem to mis-approve things. This is one case, but I've seen other people do it too.14:02
kikoScottK, isn't that exactly the bug barry's reporting? that team members (direct or indirect) shouldn't be notified of this sort of change?14:02
barryrelated: bug 11370514:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113705 in launchpad "when team membership changes, team members get every other member's email address in To" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113705 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)14:03
Hobbseewow, launchpad ftw.14:04
kikobarry, pretty horrible one too14:04
barryand bug 4479514:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 44795 in malone/1.2 "Bug notifications include all subscribers in To: field when notifying a team with no contact email" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44795 - Assigned to Björn Tillenius (bjornt)14:04
salgadokiko, barry, I'm pretty sure there's no bug reported for this one14:04
kikoexarkun, are you around already?14:04
barrysalgado: cool.  i will report it14:05
kikosalgado, do you agree it's a bug?14:06
ScottKkiko: One is another team being added to a team I'm a member of.  I clearly don't need that.  The other is a team I'm a (indirect) memeber of being added to another.  Less clear.14:06
kikoScottK, I think in both cases only direct admins should be notified.14:07
* ScottK agrees14:07
kikothey are in the best position to do something about it14:07
* Fujitsu heads to bed.14:08
Hobbseethumper: ping, continuing yesterday's discussions.14:09
salgadokiko, I'm not so sure.  since I'm being added as a member because of that team, I'd like to be notified.  just like I'd be notified if I were added to a team directly14:09
barrykiko, Hobbsee, ScottK bug 19400314:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 194003 in launchpad "only team admins should be emailed about team membership changes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19400314:10
barrycan you check to make sure i captured the issue accurately?14:10
Hobbseebarry: those pastes will eventually lapse - you probably want to attach them to the bug, btw14:10
barryHobbsee: good point14:11
Hobbseebarry: looks about right14:11
ScottKSeems right.14:13
Hobbseecurses, curses.14:13
barryattached.  thanks Hobbsee and ScottK 14:13
Hobbseepeople, if you want ubuntu cds for *tuesday*, please don't email me on the previous *friday* asking for htem.14:14
Fujitsu`You are about to send an annoying approval notice to 754 people. Cancel/Allow'14:14
ScottKMaybe the solution is to set Mail From to the requestor so they get all the complaints.  14:15
ScottKProbably won't do it more than once.14:15
Hobbseehaha :)14:15
barrymaybe you want a radio box that says: annoy team admins, annoy all 500 direct members, really piss off all 8 billion indirect members14:16
Hobbseebarry: with a warning that Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™ torture may come their way if they do?14:16
Hobbseeand from others?14:16
kikobarry, how about "hide the fact that you're doing this change from everybody"?14:17
FujitsuFor teams that have a dozen subteams that nest 4 levels down, it seems a bit foolish to email everyone... but where to draw the line?14:17
barryHobbsee: yes!  and at least 3 or 4 levels of "are you sure"  "are you really sure?" "are you really really sure?" "you know people will hate you right?" confirmation pages14:17
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Hobbseebarry: yeah!14:17
barrykiko: that's not a bad idea14:17
ubotuNew bug: #194003 in launchpad "only team admins should be emailed about team membership changes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19400314:20
barrythanks everyone, i've added some comments to the bug with your suggestions (except for Hobbsee's trademarked LPSoD suggestion :)14:20
ubotuNew bug: #194012 in malone "Notify subscribers by a bug's old state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19401214:31
Hobbseekiko: you know, speaking of launchpad spam....is there any reason why i would want to know that another bug has been marked as a duplicate of mine?14:31
kikoHobbsee, I'm sure you can contrive some. the question is whether there is reason enough to justify the spam.14:32
kikos/any/sufficient maybe14:32
Hobbseekiko: the only reason i've managed to contrive so far is so that i can get the address of a core dump, which LP has later gone and removed the links to, after the retrace14:33
Hobbseebut i'm not sure that $random_user should have access to other people's core dumps anyway, and i'm not sure if they can.14:33
kikoHobbsee, well, there are softer but relevant reasons. there may be more information in the other bug. there might be a patch on the other bug. there might be a user with a workaround in the other bug. etc.14:34
Hobbseethis is true14:34
kikoso again14:34
kikothe question is s/any/sufficient14:34
ScottKOTOH, after about the 12th dupe, the fun factor on the bugmail goes way down.14:34
kikoScottK, agreed. but how do we balance those things out without being arbitrary?14:35
* Hobbsee used to filter dupemail, but somehow that died14:35
Hobbseelooks like my filters for apport have broken too14:35
ScottKkiko: I do think it would be useful to look at the recent python-central bug and go back and see how duplicate detection could be improved to have avoided people filing so many new bugs.14:35
kikoScottK, so you're saying that if we had less dupes the problem would be much less?14:37
Hobbseekiko: correct14:37
* Hobbsee --> bed14:39
exarkuntoo. cold.14:50
kikocome on14:51
kikothere's heating up north14:51
exarkunproblem is, it's never as warm out of bed as it is in bed14:52
exarkunkiko: so, what's up?14:53
kikomight be good news, might be bad!14:55
kikoexarkun, you shy of privmsgs?14:57
ubotuNew bug: #194039 in malone "AttributeError updating mantis bugwatches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19403915:56
Rinchen>> meeting time - #launchpad-meeting16:00
matsubaratopic says 1800 UTC16:01
Rinchensure enough.16:01
RinchenI'm goofed up again16:01
bigjoolsI wish it were 1600, 1800 is about the worst time possible for me16:02
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Rinchenok, now it's meeting time :-)17:59
ubotuNew bug: #194067 in launchpad "Importd doesn't use RF configs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19406718:05
grycSo will there be a way to import old mailing list archives into launchpad's new mailinglists?18:35
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rzrgryc: i guess yea18:37
rzrthey say about this on the "tour"18:37
grycreally? 0.o18:38
* gryc looks again18:38
grychrm, and any idea if there will be mailing lists for projects and not just teams?18:41
kikogryc, just for teams -- but you can register a team and associate it to a project, even if it only has one member initially.18:41
grycthen am I correct in assuming that a user has to join the team to post to the mailing list?18:42
kikogryc, well, there is whitelist moderation I believe (barry, help) but mostly yes18:47
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barrygryc: currently, they have to join the team /and/ subscribe to the mailing list to post18:48
barrygryc: but there's an open bug to relaxing posting restrictions so that any team member can post18:48
barrygryc: i'm heading out to lunch, but ping me later if you have more questions18:49
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rzri am planning to move a yahoogroup to LP , any suggestions ?18:51
ScottKkiko: Apparently I'm not alone thinking the fix for Bug #137448 didn't fully address the issue.  Would you prefer a new bug or I reopen this one?18:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137448 in malone "New UI is confusing and counter inuitive for changing affected package" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137448 - Assigned to Björn Tillenius (bjornt)18:56
kikoScottK, I don't have time to invest in that discussion right now, as I find the issue completely unimportant :-(18:57
ScottKkiko: Glad to understand that.  Thanks.18:58
* ScottK decides to give up on this.19:01
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ubotuNew bug: #194114 in soyuz "Only Virtual machines can be used" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19411420:26
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ubotuNew bug: #194120 in launchpad "Discarded posts should provide some feedback to sender" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19412020:50
ubotuNew bug: #194126 in launchpad "Let people lurk on mailing lists" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19412620:55
ubotuNew bug: #194143 in launchpad "Both "Swedish" and "Swedish (Finland)" listed as languages of Finland" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19414322:06
jetsaredim if I have a code branch in my bzr area on launchpad - how can I get the thing built and into my ppa?22:10
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Ubulettejetsaredim, you'd better "branch your branch", then in the new branch, append ~ppa1 to the version in debian/changelog and target hardy as the distribution, then build a source package (debuild -S), then dput the .changes file (but you need to 1st configure the dput target for ppa)22:19
jetsaredimi guess i was more looking for a pointer to a wiki doc or some thing :)22:22
Ubulettethere's one somewhere.. hmm, looking22:24
Assidis the site having issues22:32
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Assidwonder if its cause of the database or http server is gone outta whack22:38
exarkunlaunchpad.net is responding quite well to my browser's requests22:40
exarkunthat doesn't mean the site isn't having issues, of course, but it's a data point. :)22:40
kiko-afkit's damned fast if you ask me22:43
jsauerHey there! QUESTION: Can I branch a vcs-imports branch (eg. ~vcs-imports/evolution/head) fix a bug and then make a merge propose to commit this fix upstream?22:46
* Assid thinks the webserver is a bit outta whack?22:48
exarkunAssid: Sorry if this is obvious, but don't you think you should provide some details if you're trying to report a bug?22:50
Assidwell it just sits there trying to connect oto the site. but doesnt do anything.. firefox says connecting to... but thats it22:51
exarkunAre you sure it's not a DNS problem?  (Can you resolve the hostname using another tool?)  Or maybe a Firefox memory corruption issue?  (Does it work if you restart Firefox?)22:52
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AssidSSL error:no issuer was found-Continue? 22:54
Assidas per lynx22:54
Assidfirefox still doesnt work tho22:54
Assiddont know what to say22:55
Assidokay started working on its own now22:56
Assidslow.. but atleast the title to the page has loaded22:57
Assidokay started working.22:58
mptGoooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!23:00
steveireHi. Before it got backported I put libxine in my ppa. I'd intended that the ppa version would be overriden when the official version was backported. I named it 1.1.10-1ubuntu1~ppa1. However, that version name does not get overriden by the backported version. http://rafb.net/p/bN6WYA12.html. What should I have named it in this case and how can I anticipate the version of the backported package in the future?23:23
stdinsteveire: ~ppa1 is higher than ~gutsy1 because 'p' is higher than 'g'23:31
stdin~gutsy1~ppa1 is what I tend to use when building on non-development releases23:31
steveirestdin: You mean u is higer than g? How should I name things then?23:31
stdinah, with libxine there is no ubuntu revision23:33
steveireThe previous version in backports was 1.1.8-2ubuntu2~gutsy1. I'd assumed it would follow the same scheme.23:33
steveireIs there a way to build non-dev releases without second guessing what the backporter will name the package?23:34
stdinuse <version>-0~gutsy1~ppa1 if there is no debian package (1.1.8-0~gutsy1~ppa1) or us the version from debian and add ~gutsy1~ppa123:35
ubotuNew bug: #194176 in blueprint "Superseded status is redundant with superseded link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19417623:56

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