| kirkland | During this launchpad outage, are emailed bug updates to *@bugs.launchpad.net being queued such that those bugs will be updated accordingly when Launchpad comes back online? | 00:11 |
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| Rinchen | kiko, they should be, yes | 00:14 |
| Rinchen | er | 00:14 |
| Rinchen | kirkland, ^^ | 00:14 |
| Rinchen | habit :-) | 00:15 |
| kirkland | Rinchen: cool, thanks ;-) | 00:19 |
| kirkland | Rinchen: I'll step back out so that kiko gets his "ki" back ;-) | 00:20 |
| Rinchen | lol | 00:20 |
| kirkland | :-) bye | 00:20 |
| bdmurray | The maintenance pages says "We plan to make new a Launchpad release on:" which reads funny to me | 01:03 |
| kthakore | is launch pad supposed to be down right now? | 01:06 |
| elmo | kthakore: yes, /topic | 01:06 |
| elmo | and http://news.launchpad.net/maintenance | 01:06 |
| kthakore | oh UTC | 01:06 |
| kthakore | sorry I had the time as 11:00 | 01:06 |
| kthakore | PST | 01:07 |
| kthakore | my mistake | 01:07 |
| superm1 | how come there was no warning all day when i was using it? | 01:11 |
| slangasek | there was a countdown for the last hour or so | 01:11 |
| superm1 | oh, of course i haven't touched it in 3 hrs or so :) | 01:12 |
| mpt | Goooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 01:30 |
| mwhudson_ | hello mpt | 01:34 |
| jamesh | mpt: we aren't launchpadding at the moment | 01:34 |
| mpt | We're not? | 01:37 |
| mpt | o i c | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | heya mpt | 01:40 |
| mpt | hiya Hobbsee | 01:41 |
| mpt | I should take this time to figure out why the offline message isn't centered | 01:41 |
| mpt | aha | 01:46 |
| mpt | .offline {text-align: center; max-width: 30em; margin: 2em auto;} | 01:46 |
| mpt | the "margin: 2em auto;" isn't centering it like it's supposed to | 01:47 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Man, i wish there was some way i could check what time it is at LP HQ | 01:52 |
| thumper | Balaams_Miracle: always UTC :-) | 01:53 |
| lifeless | thumper: except when its not :) | 01:54 |
| thumper | lifeless: whaddya mean? | 01:55 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Heh, but how do i know what time is UTC? | 01:55 |
| thumper | Balaams_Miracle: it depends, where are you? | 01:55 |
| Balaams_Miracle | I mean, i'm in the Netherlands. | 01:56 |
| thumper | Balaams_Miracle: isn't it almost 3am there? | 01:56 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Yes, 2:56 it says | 01:56 |
| slangasek | by running 'date --utc' or such | 01:56 |
| thumper | Balaams_Miracle: you're UTC +1 | 01:56 |
| thumper | so subtrace an hour | 01:56 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Ah, thanks. One more hour to go then... | 01:56 |
| thumper | subtract | 01:56 |
| * Balaams_Miracle is already getting withdrawal symptoms | 01:57 | |
| Balaams_Miracle | Need... fix... Must... wait... | 01:57 |
| Nafallo | Balaams_Miracle: ntp.ubuntu.com | 02:01 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Nafallo: Yes, that's a time server. I don't know what you are getting at. | 02:02 |
| Nafallo | Balaams_Miracle: it is in the same location as the LP servers. | 02:03 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Nafallo: Yes, but my PC isn't. | 02:03 |
| Nafallo | that wasn't the point... | 02:04 |
| Nafallo | oh well. | 02:04 |
| lifeless | thumper: dst | 02:05 |
| dmb | hey, how much longer is launchpad down for? | 02:24 |
| dmb | i'm too lazy to convert timezones | 02:24 |
| elmo | dmb: /topic | 02:24 |
| dmb | elmo: i'm too lazy to convert timezones | 02:25 |
| lifeless | dmb: I'm too lazy to do it for you. | 02:25 |
| dmb | can you at least tell me if this was the hour that it started? | 02:25 |
| lifeless | its now 1325 AEDT | 02:25 |
| ScottK | I'm fairly certain he can. | 02:26 |
| dmb | ok, thanks | 02:26 |
| dmb | thats all i needed to know :D | 02:26 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #193857 in launchpad-bazaar "cherrypy error on unmirrored branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193857 | 02:45 |
| ubotu | New bug: #193845 in malone ""Sort by importance" sorts "Unknown" (from external bug trackers) on top" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193845 | 02:46 |
| ScottK | Am I reading the LP front page correctly... I'm now automatically subscribed to any bug I comment on? | 02:48 |
| RAOF | Woah. The "Delete Cache" page action may want some renaming :) | 02:50 |
| RAOF | I suspect that hitting "add checked words to dictionary" is not meant to result in "An error occurred in a Python script" | 02:54 |
| mpt | ScottK, no, but you can subscribe to all the bug reports associated with a milestone/project/package/distribution | 03:04 |
| mpt | For example, you could subscribe to Ubuntu upstart and be notified of all bug reports about that package | 03:05 |
| ScottK | But I could do that before. | 03:05 |
| mpt | How? | 03:06 |
| ScottK | Make myself a bug contact for the package | 03:06 |
| ScottK | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clamav bug subscriptions as an example of one I've been subscribed to for a long time | 03:07 |
| jamesh | ScottK: the idea is to separate out the idea of being a "bug contact" (someone responsible for QA) and a "subscriber" | 03:10 |
| * mpt scratches his head at "For Ubuntu: There are no bug subscriptions" | 03:11 | |
| mpt | That doesn't make sense | 03:11 |
| jamesh | ScottK: someone doing QA may be given permissions to e.g. alter bug importances (something a project may want to restrict), which a subscriber wouldn't be able to | 03:11 |
| jamesh | mpt: it just has a bug contact ... | 03:12 |
| mpt | I mean, it's not true | 03:13 |
| mpt | There are thousands of bug subscriptions in Ubuntu | 03:13 |
| mpt | I think it means "Nobody is subscribed to all of Ubuntu's bugs" | 03:14 |
| elmo | (which isn't true, there's a mailing list for them) | 03:14 |
| mpt | yeah | 03:16 |
| ScottK | I see. Well I never ascribed any more to bug contact than I got sent a copy of the bug | 03:18 |
| ScottK | Signing up as bug contact doesn't give any extra powers, so I really don't understand the difference? | 03:20 |
| mpt | Maybe now the term can be changed to something more obvious | 03:23 |
| ScottK | Dunno. AFAICT you've just invented a new feature functionally identical to the old one. | 03:23 |
| mpt | I don't know if it was possible to have multiple package bug contacts in the past | 03:24 |
| mpt | but it wasn't possible to have multiple people subscribed to all bugs for a distribution or project, unless a dummy team was created to put them in. | 03:24 |
| ScottK | The clamav example I showed a few minutes ago had three and has had for a long time. | 03:24 |
| mpt | So this might not be anything new for packages, but it's new for projects and distributions. And milestones. | 03:25 |
| ScottK | OK. That I can see. You might correct the description then. | 03:25 |
| mpt | "Subscribe to bugmail"? | 03:36 |
| mpt | oh, "bug mail" | 03:37 |
| jamesh | ScottK: there were no extra powers given to "bug contacts" previously because there were no restrictions on who could become a bug contact | 03:37 |
| jamesh | that'll change in future | 03:38 |
| ScottK | jamesh: Are there restrictions now? | 03:38 |
| ScottK | So are all the current bug contacts going to be automatically downgraded then? | 03:38 |
| jamesh | ScottK: all bug contacts were converted to subscriptions | 03:39 |
| jamesh | ScottK: and it isn't exactly a downgrade, since it is giving you the same features as before | 03:40 |
| ScottK | OK. | 03:40 |
| jamesh | but you can now also subscribe to projects | 03:40 |
| jamesh | and the subscription support can be extended to more than just bugs | 03:40 |
| ubotu | New bug: #193870 in malone "Source package page makes false claims about "Bug subscriptions"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193870 | 03:41 |
| * ScottK didn't file that one. | 03:41 | |
| ScottK | jamesh: None of which sounds like it's of any interest to Ubuntu developers, just other projects. | 03:41 |
| ScottK | BTW, I did read the feature announcement. This is all very confusing. | 03:42 |
| jamesh | ScottK: it might not offer much benefit yet, but that will change in future | 03:43 |
| ScottK | "Launchpad automatically sends you emails whenever there's an update to a bug that you've reported, is assigned to you or that you've commented on." sounds to me like any bug I comment on I'll start getting bug mail on. | 03:43 |
| comperr | heh - I was here before - but I forgot who I was speaking too - who is the pastebinit creator again ? | 03:43 |
| jamesh | ScottK: one of the planned features is to allow more fine grained control over the notifications too | 03:44 |
| jamesh | ScottK: e.g. you might only care when bugs are created or fixed for a package, but not care about every single comment made to those bugs | 03:45 |
| ScottK | OK, but how does changing bug contacts to bug subscriptions help that? So far you've just changed the name. | 03:46 |
| jamesh | just think of it as a new name for the old feature that more accurately describes its purpose, if that helps. | 03:47 |
| ScottK | Then don't announce it as a NEW feature. | 03:47 |
| jamesh | ... it _is_ a new feature | 03:48 |
| ScottK | Not for packages it's not. It's got a new name with no functional differences | 03:48 |
| jamesh | e.g. you couldn't previously subscribe to all bugs targeted at ubuntu-8.04, for instance | 03:49 |
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| ScottK | That's true, but unrelated to packages. | 03:49 |
| ScottK | I'm not saying that for milestones, projects, etc it's not new, but for packages it's not new. | 03:50 |
| ubotu | New bug: #193872 in malone "Can't subscribe to all something's bug reports from its Bugs page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193872 | 04:05 |
| ubotu | New bug: #193873 in launchpad "Nobody wants to "Subscribe to bug mail"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193873 | 04:05 |
| poolie | any ppa hackers around? | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | poolie: devs? users who know far too much about ppa? | 04:33 |
| poolie | devs, i guess | 04:35 |
| poolie | but i worked it out - packages with builddep problems | 04:36 |
| poolie | don't generate an error, or at least not for a very long time | 04:36 |
| jamesh | PPA does need improvements w.r.t. timely status updates | 04:37 |
| poolie | yes | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | poolie: you don't get the generated mail? | 04:42 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: There's no mail that I've noticed when your PPA package hits depwait. | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: oh, depwait, yeah | 04:44 |
| poolie | i think it would be nice if you got, say, | 04:44 |
| poolie | one mail if it can't immediately be built, or not within 5m | 04:45 |
| poolie | and another after say 7d, saying "Giving up" | 04:45 |
| RAOF | Or, rather, tell you immediately if the package it's waiting on isn't also in your PPA's build queue. | 04:46 |
| RAOF | Or, in fact, shedule the builds based on dependency information :) | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: you'd probably need the global builds stuff to do that, though. | 04:46 |
| poolie | well, something like that | 04:46 |
| poolie | the main point is, _say something_ | 04:46 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: Oh, I'm sure the reason it's not done like that already is that the infrastructure doesn't support it. | 04:47 |
| RAOF | It'd be nice if the infrastructure _did_ support it, though :) | 04:47 |
| lifeless | RAOF: build deps are NPC | 04:47 |
| * RAOF tries to parse as Not Pre Calculateable | 04:48 | |
| lifeless | RAOF: npcomplete | 04:48 |
| lifeless | non polynomial | 04:48 |
| RAOF | lifeless: Which doesn't mean that you can't solve it. | 04:48 |
| RAOF | Just that it scales insanely. | 04:48 |
| RAOF | For the record, I'd use NP-C for NP-complete ;) | 04:49 |
| lifeless | right; so like many things 'good' but not 'correct' answers are possible with better scaling | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: dream about it. but really, don't expect it anytime soon. | 04:49 |
| lifeless | AIUI thats what happens here | 04:49 |
| RAOF | I wasn't actually after trawling the entire dependency chain. Just 'I upload foo which depends on bar, and bar at the same time, please try to build bar first'. | 04:50 |
| jamesh | build deps are non-player characters | 04:50 |
| RAOF | Another valid parsing :) | 04:51 |
| poolie | in https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive, bzrtools 1.2.0-1~bazaar2~edgy1 seems to be a native package or something | 04:51 |
| poolie | at any rate it has just a .tar, not an orig and diff | 04:52 |
| poolie | i wonder why | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: reprio'ing ftw. | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: and uploading in order, with sufficient gaps, preferably with a script or something, ftw too. | 04:52 |
| poolie | another approach would be to give people a button saying "build this now" | 04:52 |
| poolie | or what Hobbsee said | 04:52 |
| RAOF | poolie: | 04:52 |
| RAOF | poolie: That button exists. | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | poolie: and how many people do you think *won't* hit that button? | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: sure, but few have access to it | 04:53 |
| poolie | really? where? | 04:53 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: I'm talking about PPAs right now. Isn't anyone else? | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | you cant see it if you're not a buildd admin. | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | you can't rescore for ppa, or ubuntu, unless you're a buildd admin | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | am i misunderstanding you? | 04:53 |
| RAOF | Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. There _is_ a *re*build this now button. | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: afaik, everyone's talking about ppa's here | 04:54 |
| jamesh | poolie: "view build records", find the failed build and there is an item in the actions menu to retry it | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: oh sure. after it's failed. | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: what i think poolie's asking for is "let me specify the build order of my packages *before* they go thru and fail" | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | it still apperas to take a lot longer than it should for builds to fail, and then have to redo all the builds, in order | 04:55 |
| RAOF | Yeah. | 04:55 |
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| carlos | morning | 07:49 |
| Hobbsee | guten morgen carlos! Wie gehts? | 07:50 |
| carlos | Hobbsee: I understand the first part, I guess the second part is something like "How's going?", right? | 07:51 |
| carlos | Hobbsee: so, I'm fine, thanks :-P and you? | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | yeah :) | 07:52 |
| * Hobbsee is doing OK. dealing with email | 07:52 | |
| philn__ | hi | 09:01 |
| philn__ | will #193656 be fixed for next code update? | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | bug #193656 | 09:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 193656 in soyuz "Process-death-row procedure became very slow" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193656 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | As it's critical, it may be fixed within days. If it's not, it will be fixed in about a month. | 09:12 |
| philn__ | Fujitsu: ok... until then i'm stuck, i want to upload a pkg to my PPA but it's always rejected because the old .orig.tag.gz remains on the pool :( | 09:16 |
| philn__ | could someone remove the files from my pool please? ;) | 09:21 |
| Fujitsu | philn__: When did you delete them? That bug may not be your problem. | 09:22 |
| philn__ | about 13 hours ago | 09:22 |
| Fujitsu | I suggest waiting a while longer, or incrementing the version number. | 09:23 |
| philn__ | ah you mean the upstream version number | 09:24 |
| Kmos | https://edge.launchpad.net/ddclient -> how do I remove this? | 09:25 |
| Kmos | i've registered it | 09:25 |
| Fujitsu | Kmos: Why should it be removed? | 09:28 |
| Kmos | Fujitsu: because I support it, and I like to remove it | 09:29 |
| Fujitsu | It's a valid project, and has no reason to be removed. | 09:29 |
| Kmos | or else, give another person the register status | 09:29 |
| Fujitsu | Right, that's different. | 09:29 |
| Kmos | but it has my contact | 09:29 |
| Fujitsu | Assign it to registry. | 09:29 |
| Fujitsu | ~registry, that is. | 09:29 |
| Kmos | how to do it ? | 09:30 |
| Fujitsu | Change owner, or registrant, or whatever it is. There are three different terms used on the page for that one thing. | 09:30 |
| Kmos | i'll do it | 09:32 |
| Kmos | thanks | 09:32 |
| Kmos | "maintainer" is there too | 09:32 |
| Kmos | lol | 09:32 |
| Fujitsu | That's it, yes. | 09:32 |
| Kmos | There's no person/team named '~registry' in Launchpad. | 09:33 |
| Kmos | ups | 09:33 |
| Kmos | without the ~ | 09:33 |
| Kmos | done | 09:33 |
| Kmos | Bug contact: Marco Rodrigues | 09:34 |
| Kmos | Security contact: Marco Rodrigues | 09:34 |
| Kmos | still mine | 09:34 |
| Kmos | lol | 09:34 |
| Fujitsu | You need to remove yourself as both. | 09:34 |
| Kmos | that was before i change maintainer | 09:36 |
| Kmos | now i can't change anything | 09:36 |
| Kmos | :( | 09:36 |
| Fujitsu | Can one really not remove oneself from either of those positions!? | 09:36 |
| Kmos | i don't think so | 09:36 |
| Fujitsu | That's almost as crazy as Blueprint's assigning. | 09:36 |
| Kmos | the menu links to do that, have been disabled | 09:37 |
| Kmos | after i change maintainer | 09:37 |
| TankEnMate | is there a way on launchpad to get bzr repos using rsync? | 09:37 |
| Fujitsu | TankEnMate: What's wrong with HTTP? | 09:37 |
| Kmos | Fujitsu: could you report i as bugg? :) | 09:37 |
| Kmos | *bug | 09:37 |
| TankEnMate | bzr initial checkouts are a big turn off | 09:37 |
| Fujitsu | Kmos: You'll need to poke an admin to remove you as them, then. I may well file a bug on that. | 09:37 |
| Fujitsu | TankEnMate: If you own the branch, you can use bzr+ssh. | 09:37 |
| Kmos | Fujitsu: thanks | 09:38 |
| TankEnMate | i just did a bzr initial check out, it took over 5 minutes, used over 500M of RAM and blew away my file cache... | 09:38 |
| LarstiQ | Fujitsu: or in general have access to? | 09:38 |
| Fujitsu | LarstiQ: Only if you have write access, no? | 09:38 |
| Fujitsu | TankEnMate: 500M RAM!? | 09:38 |
| LarstiQ | Fujitsu: that is what I meant indeed. (So membership of team owning it also works) | 09:38 |
| TankEnMate | I used bzr+ssh to check out.. it took ages, sucked everything into RAM and only _then_ wrote out.. | 09:38 |
| Fujitsu | LarstiQ: Being a member of the team that owns it means you own it. | 09:39 |
| LarstiQ | Fujitsu: fair enough, I disagree on the terminology, but I understand you now :) | 09:39 |
| TankEnMate | If I didn't have to check this stuff out it would have turned my right off... | 09:39 |
| Fujitsu | TankEnMate: How big is the branch? | 09:39 |
| TankEnMate | F: just a tick | 09:39 |
| Fujitsu | I have a branch or two that takes hours, but it's gigantic. | 09:39 |
| Fujitsu | Most take a few seconds. | 09:39 |
| TankEnMate | 489M . | 09:40 |
| Fujitsu | 5 minutes for 489M isn't bad. | 09:40 |
| TankEnMate | F: why does it want to suck everything into RAM first?!? what a waste! | 09:40 |
| Fujitsu | TankEnMate: That'd be bzr's problem. | 09:41 |
| TankEnMate | A check out should really be nothing more than a straight copy of the head | 09:41 |
| Fujitsu | bzr co --lightweight | 09:41 |
| LarstiQ | TankEnMate: that would be a lightweight checkout, not a full one | 09:41 |
| TankEnMate | Yeah I know it is bzr's problem, then why use bzr, but thats a whole different kettle of fish.. | 09:41 |
| Fujitsu | bzr works really well most of the time. | 09:42 |
| TankEnMate | Ahhh maybe for first timers checking out a tree you should inform them to do a lightweight checkout.. | 09:42 |
| TankEnMate | F: I must admit I am used to git | 09:42 |
| TankEnMate | Hmm I'm going to email the ubuntu desktop course guys and get them to mention the lightweight checkout for first timers.. | 09:46 |
| lifeless | TankEnMate: what version of bzr were you using? | 09:46 |
| lifeless | TankEnMate: and what format is the tree in, also does it have very large files? we generally flush stuff to disk as soon as each delta is verified | 09:46 |
| TankEnMate | 1.0-1~gutsy1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) | 09:46 |
| lifeless | TankEnMate: you will find 1.2 to be better | 09:46 |
| TankEnMate | lifeless: ack | 09:47 |
| lifeless | TankEnMate: doing a lightweight checkout is probably not the right thing for first timers; lightweight checkouts have no local history, so it performs worse overall. | 09:47 |
| TankEnMate | lifeless: bzr 1.2 isn't in backports though.. | 09:47 |
| lifeless | TankEnMate: its in the bzr team ppa | 09:47 |
| TankEnMate | lifeless: so how to do a quick clone then? | 09:47 |
| TankEnMate | lifeless: ack, I'm just trying to figure an easy way to make first time d/ls for large repos not have to have to jump through too many hoops | 09:48 |
| lifeless | TankEnMate: 'bzr branch' or 'bzr checkout' (depending on whether you want a new branch or commit access to an existing branch) | 09:49 |
| lifeless | TankEnMate: thats all thats needed. | 09:49 |
| TankEnMate | lifeless: yes, but it chews soo much memory.. | 09:50 |
| TankEnMate | over 500M on my machine to check out.. | 09:50 |
| lifeless | TankEnMate: in 1.0. Which has an older network protocol that is less efficient. | 09:50 |
| TankEnMate | and it only starts writing out files once its all in RAM.. | 09:50 |
| lifeless | TankEnMate: test with the current release; then discuss with bzr upstream. | 09:50 |
| TankEnMate | lifeless: would there be support for 1.2 to go into the official gutsy backports then? | 09:51 |
| Fujitsu | When it's in Hardy, it will most likely be backported. | 09:51 |
| lifeless | TankEnMate: you're wrong about the behaviour of bzr in general; whatever you saw is likely a result of backwards compatibility code kicking in. | 09:51 |
| Fujitsu | A FeatureFreeze exception has been granted for bzr 1.2 | 09:51 |
| lifeless | TankEnMate: thats really unrelated, there is gutsy support in the bzr +ppa. | 09:51 |
| TankEnMate | lifeless: ahh | 09:51 |
| lifeless | later folk | 09:51 |
| TankEnMate | lifeless: I'm trying to get this to work for uneducated desktop users.. | 09:52 |
| Fujitsu | Why do they need such a ridiculously massive tree? | 09:52 |
| TankEnMate | Fujitsu: its user documentation :) | 09:52 |
| TankEnMate | Fujitsu: I think I'll just have to set up a server that does nightly builds of the documentation and ships it out to the users... | 09:53 |
| TankEnMate | Fujitsu: it is for translators.. | 09:53 |
| TankEnMate | Fujistsu: they have good natural language skills, not so good computer skills.. | 09:54 |
| Fujitsu | Why not just ship out a tarball of the branch once, and have them pull the branch regularly? | 09:54 |
| TankEnMate | Fujistsu: thats what I was hoping to avoid.. but looks like I will have to do something similar.. | 09:54 |
| Fujitsu | You only have to do it to each machine once. | 09:55 |
| TankEnMate | Fujistsu: I'll probably wind up just burning stuff on to DVDs with a few scripts and send it to them in the post.. | 09:55 |
| TankEnMate | That and bzr 1.2 debs | 09:56 |
| TankEnMate | Fujistsu: can bzr do deltas on binary files? or will it just copy then new ones down in toto? | 09:57 |
| Fujitsu | It does binary deltas. | 09:58 |
| TankEnMate | w00t good stuff | 09:58 |
| TankEnMate | Fujistsu: Do you have the bzr +ppa URI handy? | 09:59 |
| Fujitsu | https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive, most likely. | 09:59 |
| TankEnMate | ack, thanks! | 09:59 |
| TankEnMate | how stable are ppa debs? Good enough to just push to j. random user? | 10:01 |
| mpt | Gooooooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders! | 10:02 |
| Hobbsee | TankEnMate: surely that depends on how stable the source is? | 10:02 |
| TankEnMate | pick the Aussie :) | 10:02 |
| TankEnMate | Hobbsee: Thats kind of what I was asking.. | 10:03 |
| * Fujitsu welcomes mpt back to a sane timezone. | 10:03 | |
| Hobbsee | TankEnMate: right, so if you upload a stable source, then the binary will be stable. | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | hte converse is also true | 10:03 |
| Fujitsu | The bzr devs are one of the only upstreams I trust to make their own packages. | 10:04 |
| TankEnMate | Hobbsee: not know what ppa stands for I don't have any feel for it.. | 10:04 |
| TankEnMate | F: Thanks.. | 10:04 |
| Hobbsee | TankEnMate: personal package archives? | 10:04 |
| TankEnMate | I am a Debian user origionally, i use sid myself, but in the past have given stable to clients.. | 10:05 |
| TankEnMate | Hobbsee: thanks! | 10:05 |
| TankEnMate | I am moving to Ubuntu because it is more up to date for my clients.. | 10:05 |
| mvo | danilos: hello! could you quickly help me with a rosetta export? I got a tarball that looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4820/ - why are some po files put into the toplevel dir and some under main/ ? (main is the name of the component) | 10:06 |
| danilos | mvo: the ones under 'main/' are probably existing translations, and the ones in toplevel are those which have been newly translated in Launchpad | 10:07 |
| danilos | mvo: I can try fixing it manually, though | 10:07 |
| mvo | danilos: aha! thanks | 10:08 |
| danilos | mvo: (i.e. on import, they were inside main/...) | 10:08 |
| mvo | danilos: right, so those were not touched since the import, but the other ones were? | 10:08 |
| danilos | mvo: well, it's not actually that useful information | 10:09 |
| danilos | mvo: it's only that those in main/ have existed in the package as well | 10:09 |
| danilos | mvo: and I can't actually fix them from the UI; carlos, do we have an existing bug for this (if you happen to know, since we had a similar complaint recently)? | 10:10 |
| carlos | danilos: yeah, we have a bug about it | 10:11 |
| carlos | let me look for it... | 10:11 |
| danilos | carlos: thanks | 10:11 |
| mvo | danilos, carlos: its not urgent, I was just curious about it | 10:11 |
| carlos | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/148286 | 10:14 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 148286 in rosetta "multiple template export has wrong directory names" [High,Confirmed] | 10:14 |
| TankEnMate | brb | 10:15 |
| ubotu | New bug: #193940 in rosetta "Import queue UI will link to inactive products" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193940 | 10:30 |
| Hobbsee | poolie: good mail | 11:12 |
| * Fujitsu checks how far read-only-launchpad has been deferred. | 11:13 | |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: it doesn't matter how long it's been deferred currently. they'll just keep redeferring it by a month, as they wish. | 11:14 |
| soren | So... How's the trolling business these days? | 11:18 |
| lifeless | Fujitsu: TankEnMate: I think you are reinventing the wheel if you ship a tar; bzr _should_ work fine. I repeat - try it with 1.2, if it doesn't do the right thing file bugs. | 11:19 |
| * Fujitsu only suggested that as an alternative to shipping lots of tarballs regularly. | 11:21 | |
| Fujitsu | soren: My statement was relevant and quite valid. | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | mine was probably trolling, but still quite valid none-the-less. | 11:22 |
| Hobbsee | still, we have delete now. i can still continue celebrating that. | 11:22 |
| soren | Fujitsu: I was referring to Hobbsee. | 11:23 |
| Fujitsu | soren: I see. | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | soren: if i actually had a trolling business...trust me, i'd do it better. | 11:24 |
| soren | mm hm. | 11:24 |
| * Hobbsee wonders if the rollout docs are finished yet, and if so, where they are | 11:26 | |
| Hobbsee | soren: actually, i'll take my trolling back. with this rollout, they haven't broken the scripts. | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: oh, rock on! we should be able to get old sources now, too! | 11:33 |
| Fujitsu | Yep, that was cherrypicked a while back. | 11:33 |
| Fujitsu | Which also unbroke quite a number of other links. | 11:34 |
| Hobbsee | hadn't been done when i left, i didn't think | 11:34 |
| Hobbsee | the trouble of going on holidays :P | 11:34 |
| Fujitsu | Shouldn't launchpad's Code tab be disabled now that that page and its branches are now private? | 12:14 |
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| cprov-out | Fujitsu: Hobbsee: have you uploaded anything to PPA after the rollout ? | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | cprov-out: nope | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | cprov-out: i can try if you like, though | 12:46 |
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| cprov | Hobbsee: yes, I would like you to try. It's super-fast ;) | 12:47 |
| * Hobbsee uploads | 12:47 | |
| Fujitsu | Build creation? Or something is even more super-fast? | 12:48 |
| * Hobbsee waits | 12:49 | |
| cprov | Fujitsu: yes, build creation on upload-time. | 12:49 |
| Fujitsu | Yay! | 12:50 |
| Fujitsu | Very nice. | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | \o/ | 12:50 |
| Fujitsu | That is one of the most common questions of late. | 12:50 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: yes, but now it's *past* :) | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: oh wow! | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | build's already started, too! | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | wlel done! | 12:52 |
| Fujitsu | ... wow. | 12:52 |
| Spads | well that strikes me as luck :) | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | and now it says pending. | 12:54 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, building from accepted in PPA too? | 12:54 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: great, your moin binaries ETA was 5 minutes | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: was? | 12:54 |
| Fujitsu | Ooh, changelog on +archive too. | 12:55 |
| seb128 | hi | 12:55 |
| cprov | publisher is running (:00) | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: yeah, bigjools did that a while ago | 12:55 |
| Fujitsu | And publishing stuff.... Very nice. | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | hey seb128 | 12:55 |
| seb128 | does anybody there has an idea why gdm launchpad bug comments are sent to their upstream mailinglist? | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: so, are we supposed to be able to access teh binaries as soon as i'ts built? | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: what's the address of the upstream mailing list? | 12:56 |
| Fujitsu | seb128: All of them!? | 12:56 |
| kiko | seb128, yes, jcastro and I were talking to the maintainers and they suggested that, but have since found it's not a great idea | 12:56 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: gdm-list@gnome.org | 12:57 |
| kiko | seb128, I think they've reverted that -- chat with jcastro | 12:57 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:57 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: did they give the reason for why? i know amarok was doing the same thing | 12:57 |
| Hobbsee | at lesat for a while | 12:57 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: no, they have to reach the archive first (being published) | 12:57 |
| seb128 | could you include the desktop team in the discussion where you are doing such changes? | 12:57 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, why they didn't like it? | 12:57 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: yes | 12:57 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, I guess it was a lot of traffic and they didn't prepare the list subscribers properly | 12:58 |
| kiko | seb128, talk to jcastro | 12:58 |
| seb128 | kiko: ok, will do, thanks | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: right | 12:58 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, if you're subscribed and all of a sudden you get this deluge of bugmail.. | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: yeah, true. | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: i have that fun every time a team i belong to suddenly gets subscribed to another thing in launchpad. | 12:59 |
| kiko | same here | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | and i wonder "why the hell did launchpad spam me...again???" | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | bonus points for the recent mailing list screwup. | 13:00 |
| kiko | what's that? | 13:00 |
| Spads | http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/random/angry-moron.html <-- Hobbsee | 13:00 |
| * Fujitsu noted the mailing list spam. | 13:01 | |
| Hobbsee | Spads: i got 1600+ mails in the week that i was away. i really *don't* need more mail to deal with, especially random mail from untested screwups. please :) | 13:01 |
| kiko | no idea what you are talking about | 13:01 |
| Fujitsu | Members of mailing-list-beta-testers get emails about people being accepted into the group. | 13:02 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: looks like all members of the LP beta testers got spammed with bits of teams being joined to a team, and then being removed from that team, for a while. | 13:02 |
| Fujitsu | Members are the teams that have mailing lists. | 13:02 |
| Fujitsu | So the mailing lists get spammed as new teams get permission to get mailing lists. | 13:02 |
| kiko | and not just admins? | 13:02 |
| Fujitsu | Apparently not. | 13:02 |
| Spads | Hobbsee: haha I know, it's just that I love the name "angry moron newsletter" for being subscribed to a list where all the posts are surprised members shouting "TAKE ME OFF THIS SPAM LIST *NOW* YOU CRIMINAL!" | 13:02 |
| kiko | weird. | 13:02 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: correct. | 13:03 |
| ScottK | Members of teams that are indirect members of teams that are in mailing-list-beta-testers get the mails too | 13:03 |
| Fujitsu | ScottK: Even better. | 13:03 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: oh, lovely. | 13:03 |
| ScottK | It's been on my list to file a bug, but I haven't gotten to it yet. | 13:03 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: which is all of ubuntu-control and above, no? | 13:03 |
| Hobbsee | er, ubuntu-buglords? the old ubuntu-qa? | 13:03 |
| Fujitsu | ubuntu-bugcontrol, though I liked ubuntu-buglords better. | 13:04 |
| * Hobbsee wonders exactly how many people that spammed, then. | 13:04 | |
| Hobbsee | Spads: haha :) | 13:04 |
| Fujitsu | Only those who subscribe. Which is probably not too many. | 13:04 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: all done for your moin upload, assuming no buildfarm load, source->build->binary will get done within one single PPA publishing cycle (20 minutes) | 13:04 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: to m-l-b-t? | 13:04 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: wow! nice! | 13:04 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: Very, very nice. | 13:04 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: To their team | 13:04 |
| Fujitsu | *team's mailing list. | 13:04 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Yes. I get the mails because I'm ubunt-dev which is an indirect member of ubuntu-bug-control | 13:04 |
| Fujitsu | I think. | 13:05 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, I guess if a team doesn't have an ML, it will fall through to all members... | 13:05 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: which, in the case of some of the teams, still doesn't exist, so everyone gets an individual mail | 13:05 |
| Fujitsu | ScottK: Am I to presume that the ubuntu-bugcontrol email was the last you got? | 13:05 |
| Fujitsu | Once ubuntu-bugcontrol actually got a mailing list, emails to individual members should have stopped. | 13:05 |
| ScottK | No, I've gotten mails about people being unable to subscribe to the beta team | 13:06 |
| * ScottK will find and pastebin | 13:06 | |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: lp should never have been giving teams-added emails to non-admins anyway. | 13:06 |
| Fujitsu | I didn't think so. | 13:06 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: i presume that bug got stomped on and fixed, before mass spam | 13:07 |
| Hobbsee | as in, only one lot of teams, not all of them | 13:07 |
| Fujitsu | Maybe it's different because they're teams, not normal people, so it was thought a good idea to mail everyone. | 13:07 |
| ScottK | Fujitsu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56837/ | 13:07 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: iz bug. didn't happen normally. | 13:07 |
| Fujitsu | ScottK: Ah, I didn't notice that one as being personalised, but I guess it must have been. | 13:08 |
| Fujitsu | Somebody should probably file a bug. | 13:08 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: that's not someone being unable to subscribe to the beta team? | 13:09 |
| ScottK | My spamcop workflow is a lot quicker than my LP bug filing work flow. I figure eventually either will be effective. | 13:09 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 13:09 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: I got one of those too. | 13:09 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: just filter anything from bounces@launchpad.net. problem solved. | 13:10 |
| Fujitsu | ScottK: Do you have any other path to m-l-b-t? | 13:10 |
| Hobbsee | there's no rationale in that mail. interesting | 13:10 |
| ScottK | Not that I know of. | 13:10 |
| ScottK | Let me find another | 13:10 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Well, it's fairly obvious that it is because you're a member of the team, I think. | 13:11 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: oh, indeed. | 13:11 |
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| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: makes it kinad hard to filter though - they should all be having rationales | 13:12 |
| ScottK | Other and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56838/ the only other one I've gotten was the one about joining mlbt. | 13:12 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i think that was the one that all people in -bugcontrol got | 13:13 |
| Hobbsee | as in, those two pastebinned ones | 13:13 |
| ScottK | Probably. | 13:13 |
| Fujitsu | Someone didn't set the contact address of -bugcontrol to the mailing list, which is why the world is getting spammed. | 13:13 |
| ScottK | I'd say as only an indirect member it's doubly wrong. | 13:14 |
| Hobbsee | oh, bugger. | 13:14 |
| Fujitsu | I don't see why indirect members should be treated any differently to direct members. But emailing everyone is wrong. | 13:14 |
| Hobbsee | can't actually *stop* the lp mail at all, without walking away from ubuntu. | 13:14 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: were there plans to allow any team to have their own mailing list? | 13:15 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: That's the point of the mailing list feature, I presume. | 13:15 |
| Hobbsee | emailing everyone is always wrong - in fact, i wonder if it officially counts as spam | 13:15 |
| Fujitsu | Any LP dev around here who might know why everyone is getting spammed, rather than just admins? | 13:15 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: yeah, but what status is it? vaporware, buggy-but-exists, or done-ready-for-production? | 13:16 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Beta testing. Hence the team. | 13:16 |
| ScottK | or renaming and existing feature and calling it something new. | 13:16 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: oh. i've only skimmed that mail so far. my bad. | 13:16 |
| ScottK | and/an | 13:17 |
| Hobbsee | i'ts got something to do with processing 1600+ email in the last 30 hours... | 13:17 |
| Fujitsu | ScottK: Which existing feature? | 13:17 |
| * Hobbsee wonders about being able to filter LP bugmail to start with | 13:18 | |
| ScottK | Fujitsu: The ability to sign up as "Bug Contact" for a package is now some other name and a wonderful new feature. | 13:18 |
| Fujitsu | ScottK: That's actually a useful feature, as you can now subscribe to bugs for a distribution or project. | 13:18 |
| Fujitsu | Packages just happen to use the same unified mechanism now. | 13:18 |
| Hobbsee | ack | 13:19 |
| ScottK | Fujitsu: Yes, but it's not a new feature for packages and it's not correct to describe it as such. | 13:21 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: they haven't described it, have they? there's been no annoucement yet? | 13:22 |
| ScottK | It's on the LP features page | 13:22 |
| * Fujitsu hasn't seen one. | 13:22 | |
| Fujitsu | Ah, on / | 13:22 |
| ScottK | Yes | 13:22 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Yes. The only notification Ubuntu developers have had about changes in this release is a blog post saying show up and see what's changed | 13:23 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: hm, it's not on ubuntu-devel@ yet | 13:24 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: No. It was on planet | 13:24 |
| ScottK | That's it | 13:24 |
| Fujitsu | Hm, interesting, subscribing to milestones. | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: yummy | 13:25 |
| ScottK | http://news.launchpad.net/notifications/offline-21-feb-0000-0300-utc | 13:25 |
| Fujitsu | I don't see it on Planet. | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | that'll make release management, etc, easier | 13:25 |
| ScottK | It was there two days ago | 13:25 |
| Fujitsu | I see that, but not the usual announcement. | 13:25 |
| Fujitsu | w/ release notes, etc. | 13:26 |
| ubotu | New bug: #193983 in malone "Oops deactivating account when the account has a conjoined bugtask assigned to it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193983 | 13:26 |
| ScottK | Fujitsu: AFAIK there hasn't been one. | 13:26 |
| Hobbsee | hi statik | 13:29 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: what was the rationale for not keeping previous versions of sources and binaries in a ppa? | 13:30 |
| Hobbsee | as in, on LP at all, not in the ppa archive? | 13:30 |
| * Fujitsu wonders if they're in librarian. | 13:30 | |
| Hobbsee | likely | 13:31 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: uhm, they remain in librarian and in the primary archive UI | 13:31 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: they are only hidden in the PPA UI | 13:31 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: No files are published for this package. | 13:31 |
| Fujitsu | s/are // | 13:32 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: bug me ;) | 13:32 |
| * Hobbsee smells a gpl violation again. | 13:32 | |
| * Fujitsu files a bug. | 13:33 | |
| Hobbsee | and that's a strange form of delete! | 13:33 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: NO it isn't a gpl violation, binaries are already gone longer before the sources vanish from the UI. | 13:33 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: That's irrelevant, I believe. | 13:33 |
| Fujitsu | Hm, actually, not sure which clause it would be distributed under. | 13:34 |
| Fujitsu | Not 3a, I don't think it's 3c, so it is probably 3b. | 13:35 |
| * Hobbsee quietly dies over legalese | 13:43 | |
| Hobbsee | cprov: i hope you're right... | 13:47 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: okay, it doesn't mean that we don't want to show your package files straight from librarian. Actually it would be nice if you can file a bug about it. | 13:48 |
| Fujitsu | ubotu is slow. | 13:48 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about is slow. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 13:48 |
| barry | hi folks, kiko mentioned that there was a discussion about mailing lists and the mailing-lists-beta-testers spam. i'm here to answer any questions you might have | 13:49 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: arent you alreayd filing one? | 13:49 |
| kiko | barry, read backscroll? :) | 13:49 |
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| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Did so 9 minutes ago now. | 13:49 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: ah goody. #? | 13:50 |
| * kiko lets Fujitsu and Hobbsee and ScottK take it out on barry :) | 13:50 | |
| Fujitsu | barry: Basically, we're all being emailed about some membership changes in m-l-b-t. | 13:50 |
| ubotu | New bug: #193996 in soyuz "PPA packages unavailable once deleted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193996 | 13:50 |
| Hobbsee | there we are | 13:50 |
| kiko | gpl violation, pffft | 13:50 |
| kiko | please | 13:50 |
| ScottK | emailed being the kind word to use for it. | 13:50 |
| barry | Fujitsu: that should be fixed now. it wasn't really related to mailing lists, but it was caused by the way membership in mlbt is required, the fact that we didn't have a contact address on ~mlbt, and one of our guys hit the wrong button ;) | 13:51 |
| barry | Fujitsu: we solved this by adding a contact address to ~mlbt, so that can't happen again | 13:51 |
| Fujitsu | barry: Shouldn't only admins be emailed on membership changes anyway? | 13:51 |
| kiko | barry, one question I have is whether team /members/ should be emailed on membership changes. | 13:52 |
| barry | Fujitsu, Hobbsee and everyone: we're /really/ sorry about that! | 13:52 |
| Fujitsu | That's what seems to happen with mortal teams. | 13:52 |
| kiko | right | 13:52 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: i didn't think so? | 13:52 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: I don't get emailed when new MOTU appear. | 13:52 |
| barry | Fujitsu, kiko that's a great question. i actually don't think regular members /should/ be emailed on membership changes either | 13:52 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: exactly. that's hwat i'm saying too. i thin i'm misreading you then | 13:52 |
| Fujitsu | I haven't seen regular members be emailed like that before. | 13:53 |
| Fujitsu | Maybe it's because they're team membership changes. | 13:53 |
| barry | doesn't the contact address get membership changes? | 13:53 |
| Fujitsu | No. | 13:54 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, actually. | 13:54 |
| Hobbsee | barry: no. | 13:54 |
| Fujitsu | I forget what's a contact address for what, and what isn't... too many lists. | 13:54 |
| barry | hmm | 13:54 |
| Hobbsee | otherwise u-u-s would get them all, and i don't see them dumped in the mod queue, so, no. | 13:54 |
| kiko | barry, I'd like to understand exactly why the users got mailed, because it sounds really strange to me. | 13:54 |
| barry | kiko: ok, let's work it backwards, because i'm not sure i understand how they got emailed either | 13:55 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, can you forward barry a membership-change email with full headers? | 13:56 |
| barry | the other thing is: are people /still/ getting emailed about membership changes? i did set up a contact address maybe 18 hours ago i think | 13:56 |
| Fujitsu | barry: I haven't seen any in a couple of days. | 13:56 |
| kiko | barry, is the contact email address set up getting membership changes? | 13:56 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: there were a couple of ones above from ScottK. | 13:56 |
| barry | kiko: i /think/ so, but i'm not sure | 13:56 |
| Hobbsee | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56837/ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56838/ | 13:56 |
| kiko | thanks sarah | 13:57 |
| Hobbsee | you're welcome. i'm assuming those are the ones that you want | 13:57 |
| kiko | barry, ah, that's something else. | 13:57 |
| kiko | it's interesting. | 13:57 |
| kiko | are team members emailed when the team is added to another team? should they? | 13:58 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: when the team taht they're in is added to another? | 13:58 |
| ScottK | I'd think they shouldn't. It's an administrative question. | 13:58 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: i can't see why they should be | 13:58 |
| barry | kiko: also, there have really been two types of membership changes in mlbt. i don't think anybody ever got the rejection notices, but they got the erroneous acceptance notice | 13:58 |
| Fujitsu | barry: I got the acceptance and expiration. | 13:58 |
| barry | kiko: and remember that was mlbt getting joined to coriander, not the other way around | 13:59 |
| kiko | yes, yes | 13:59 |
| * ScottK too. See the pastes above | 13:59 | |
| barry | Fujitsu: i did too, but i'm not sure what that expiration notice was | 13:59 |
| kiko | barry, but I think that Hobbsee and ScottK have a point -- members shouldn't be emailed on this sort of change. | 13:59 |
| kiko | that it's a bug | 13:59 |
| kiko | only admins should. | 13:59 |
| barry | kiko: i totally agree | 14:00 |
| Fujitsu | It's a different sort of change to what I thought it was; I didn't read the entire email properly, so assumed it was the other way around... Oops. | 14:00 |
| ScottK | Currently the only way for me to avoid these types of emails is to deactivate myself as an ubuntu-dev. A bit extreme | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: or blackhole the address in launchpad. | 14:00 |
| barry | kiko: do we have a bug open for this issue yet? | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: depends if you carea bout bugmail | 14:00 |
| kiko | barry, I doubt it. | 14:00 |
| ScottK | True | 14:00 |
| kiko | matsubara, salgado: agreed that it's a bug that team members get spammed if their team is added or removed/expired from another team? | 14:01 |
| * barry runs off to report the bug | 14:01 | |
| Fujitsu | Some people would probably want to know when they implicitly become part of a new team, but probably not on such a large scale as this.. hmm... | 14:01 |
| ScottK | avoid/avoid it being sent to me. | 14:01 |
| kiko | matsubara, salgado: if so, does it already exist? help barry out :) | 14:01 |
| kiko | ScottK, Fujitsu, Hobbsee: just to be 1 million percent clear | 14:01 |
| kiko | ScottK, Fujitsu, Hobbsee: all the bits of "spam" you received had to do with this "Coriander" team. | 14:01 |
| kiko | ScottK, Fujitsu, Hobbsee: confirm? | 14:01 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: i think so, yes. | 14:01 |
| ScottK | For this issue, yes. | 14:01 |
| ScottK | I'm not sure I need mails that a team I'm an indirect member of has been added to a team, but that's much less clear. | 14:02 |
| kiko | okay, thanks. | 14:02 |
| Fujitsu | A lot of people seem to mis-approve things. This is one case, but I've seen other people do it too. | 14:02 |
| kiko | ScottK, isn't that exactly the bug barry's reporting? that team members (direct or indirect) shouldn't be notified of this sort of change? | 14:02 |
| barry | related: bug 113705 | 14:03 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 113705 in launchpad "when team membership changes, team members get every other member's email address in To" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113705 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado) | 14:03 |
| Hobbsee | wow, launchpad ftw. | 14:04 |
| kiko | barry, pretty horrible one too | 14:04 |
| barry | and bug 44795 | 14:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 44795 in malone/1.2 "Bug notifications include all subscribers in To: field when notifying a team with no contact email" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44795 - Assigned to Björn Tillenius (bjornt) | 14:04 |
| salgado | kiko, barry, I'm pretty sure there's no bug reported for this one | 14:04 |
| kiko | exarkun, are you around already? | 14:04 |
| barry | salgado: cool. i will report it | 14:05 |
| kiko | salgado, do you agree it's a bug? | 14:06 |
| ScottK | kiko: One is another team being added to a team I'm a member of. I clearly don't need that. The other is a team I'm a (indirect) memeber of being added to another. Less clear. | 14:06 |
| kiko | ScottK, I think in both cases only direct admins should be notified. | 14:07 |
| * ScottK agrees | 14:07 | |
| Hobbsee | +1 | 14:07 |
| kiko | they are in the best position to do something about it | 14:07 |
| * Fujitsu heads to bed. | 14:08 | |
| Hobbsee | thumper: ping, continuing yesterday's discussions. | 14:09 |
| salgado | kiko, I'm not so sure. since I'm being added as a member because of that team, I'd like to be notified. just like I'd be notified if I were added to a team directly | 14:09 |
| barry | kiko, Hobbsee, ScottK bug 194003 | 14:10 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 194003 in launchpad "only team admins should be emailed about team membership changes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194003 | 14:10 |
| barry | can you check to make sure i captured the issue accurately? | 14:10 |
| Hobbsee | barry: those pastes will eventually lapse - you probably want to attach them to the bug, btw | 14:10 |
| barry | Hobbsee: good point | 14:11 |
| Hobbsee | barry: looks about right | 14:11 |
| ScottK | Seems right. | 14:13 |
| Hobbsee | curses, curses. | 14:13 |
| barry | attached. thanks Hobbsee and ScottK | 14:13 |
| Hobbsee | people, if you want ubuntu cds for *tuesday*, please don't email me on the previous *friday* asking for htem. | 14:14 |
| Fujitsu | `You are about to send an annoying approval notice to 754 people. Cancel/Allow' | 14:14 |
| ScottK | Maybe the solution is to set Mail From to the requestor so they get all the complaints. | 14:15 |
| ScottK | Probably won't do it more than once. | 14:15 |
| barry | ;) | 14:15 |
| Hobbsee | haha :) | 14:15 |
| kiko | lol | 14:15 |
| barry | maybe you want a radio box that says: annoy team admins, annoy all 500 direct members, really piss off all 8 billion indirect members | 14:16 |
| Hobbsee | barry: with a warning that Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™ torture may come their way if they do? | 14:16 |
| Hobbsee | and from others? | 14:16 |
| kiko | barry, how about "hide the fact that you're doing this change from everybody"? | 14:17 |
| Fujitsu | For teams that have a dozen subteams that nest 4 levels down, it seems a bit foolish to email everyone... but where to draw the line? | 14:17 |
| barry | Hobbsee: yes! and at least 3 or 4 levels of "are you sure" "are you really sure?" "are you really really sure?" "you know people will hate you right?" confirmation pages | 14:17 |
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| Hobbsee | barry: yeah! | 14:17 |
| barry | kiko: that's not a bad idea | 14:17 |
| ubotu | New bug: #194003 in launchpad "only team admins should be emailed about team membership changes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194003 | 14:20 |
| barry | thanks everyone, i've added some comments to the bug with your suggestions (except for Hobbsee's trademarked LPSoD suggestion :) | 14:20 |
| Hobbsee | hahaha | 14:20 |
| ubotu | New bug: #194012 in malone "Notify subscribers by a bug's old state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194012 | 14:31 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: you know, speaking of launchpad spam....is there any reason why i would want to know that another bug has been marked as a duplicate of mine? | 14:31 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, I'm sure you can contrive some. the question is whether there is reason enough to justify the spam. | 14:32 |
| kiko | s/any/sufficient maybe | 14:32 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: the only reason i've managed to contrive so far is so that i can get the address of a core dump, which LP has later gone and removed the links to, after the retrace | 14:33 |
| Hobbsee | but i'm not sure that $random_user should have access to other people's core dumps anyway, and i'm not sure if they can. | 14:33 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, well, there are softer but relevant reasons. there may be more information in the other bug. there might be a patch on the other bug. there might be a user with a workaround in the other bug. etc. | 14:34 |
| Hobbsee | this is true | 14:34 |
| kiko | so again | 14:34 |
| kiko | the question is s/any/sufficient | 14:34 |
| ScottK | OTOH, after about the 12th dupe, the fun factor on the bugmail goes way down. | 14:34 |
| kiko | ScottK, agreed. but how do we balance those things out without being arbitrary? | 14:35 |
| * Hobbsee used to filter dupemail, but somehow that died | 14:35 | |
| Hobbsee | looks like my filters for apport have broken too | 14:35 |
| ScottK | kiko: I do think it would be useful to look at the recent python-central bug and go back and see how duplicate detection could be improved to have avoided people filing so many new bugs. | 14:35 |
| kiko | ScottK, so you're saying that if we had less dupes the problem would be much less? | 14:37 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: correct | 14:37 |
| * Hobbsee --> bed | 14:39 | |
| exarkun | too. cold. | 14:50 |
| kiko | come on | 14:51 |
| kiko | there's heating up north | 14:51 |
| exarkun | problem is, it's never as warm out of bed as it is in bed | 14:52 |
| exarkun | kiko: so, what's up? | 14:53 |
| kiko | might be good news, might be bad! | 14:55 |
| kiko | exarkun, you shy of privmsgs? | 14:57 |
| ubotu | New bug: #194039 in malone "AttributeError updating mantis bugwatches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194039 | 15:56 |
| Rinchen | >> meeting time - #launchpad-meeting | 16:00 |
| kiko | Rinchen? | 16:00 |
| matsubara | what? | 16:01 |
| matsubara | topic says 1800 UTC | 16:01 |
| Rinchen | sure enough. | 16:01 |
| Rinchen | I'm goofed up again | 16:01 |
| bigjools | I wish it were 1600, 1800 is about the worst time possible for me | 16:02 |
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| Rinchen | ok, now it's meeting time :-) | 17:59 |
| ubotu | New bug: #194067 in launchpad "Importd doesn't use RF configs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194067 | 18:05 |
| gryc | So will there be a way to import old mailing list archives into launchpad's new mailinglists? | 18:35 |
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| rzr | gryc: i guess yea | 18:37 |
| rzr | they say about this on the "tour" | 18:37 |
| gryc | really? 0.o | 18:38 |
| * gryc looks again | 18:38 | |
| gryc | hrm, and any idea if there will be mailing lists for projects and not just teams? | 18:41 |
| kiko | gryc, just for teams -- but you can register a team and associate it to a project, even if it only has one member initially. | 18:41 |
| gryc | then am I correct in assuming that a user has to join the team to post to the mailing list? | 18:42 |
| kiko | gryc, well, there is whitelist moderation I believe (barry, help) but mostly yes | 18:47 |
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| barry | gryc: currently, they have to join the team /and/ subscribe to the mailing list to post | 18:48 |
| barry | gryc: but there's an open bug to relaxing posting restrictions so that any team member can post | 18:48 |
| gryc | okay | 18:49 |
| barry | gryc: i'm heading out to lunch, but ping me later if you have more questions | 18:49 |
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| rzr | i am planning to move a yahoogroup to LP , any suggestions ? | 18:51 |
| ScottK | kiko: Apparently I'm not alone thinking the fix for Bug #137448 didn't fully address the issue. Would you prefer a new bug or I reopen this one? | 18:56 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 137448 in malone "New UI is confusing and counter inuitive for changing affected package" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137448 - Assigned to Björn Tillenius (bjornt) | 18:56 |
| kiko | ScottK, I don't have time to invest in that discussion right now, as I find the issue completely unimportant :-( | 18:57 |
| ScottK | kiko: Glad to understand that. Thanks. | 18:58 |
| * ScottK decides to give up on this. | 19:01 | |
| === Rinchen changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ || Next meeting (all welcome): Thu 28 Feb 2008, 1800UTC #launchpad-meeting | Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Questions: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | ||
| Rinchen | date change on next mtg | 19:05 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #194114 in soyuz "Only Virtual machines can be used" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194114 | 20:26 |
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| === rzr is now known as rZr | ||
| ubotu | New bug: #194120 in launchpad "Discarded posts should provide some feedback to sender" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194120 | 20:50 |
| ubotu | New bug: #194126 in launchpad "Let people lurk on mailing lists" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194126 | 20:55 |
| ubotu | New bug: #194143 in launchpad "Both "Swedish" and "Swedish (Finland)" listed as languages of Finland" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194143 | 22:06 |
| jetsaredim | if I have a code branch in my bzr area on launchpad - how can I get the thing built and into my ppa? | 22:10 |
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| Ubulette | jetsaredim, you'd better "branch your branch", then in the new branch, append ~ppa1 to the version in debian/changelog and target hardy as the distribution, then build a source package (debuild -S), then dput the .changes file (but you need to 1st configure the dput target for ppa) | 22:19 |
| jetsaredim | i guess i was more looking for a pointer to a wiki doc or some thing :) | 22:22 |
| Ubulette | oh | 22:23 |
| Ubulette | there's one somewhere.. hmm, looking | 22:24 |
| Ubulette | https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart | 22:24 |
| Assid | heya | 22:32 |
| Assid | is the site having issues | 22:32 |
| Assid | ? | 22:33 |
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| Assid | wonder if its cause of the database or http server is gone outta whack | 22:38 |
| exarkun | launchpad.net is responding quite well to my browser's requests | 22:40 |
| exarkun | that doesn't mean the site isn't having issues, of course, but it's a data point. :) | 22:40 |
| Assid | hrmm | 22:42 |
| kiko-afk | it's damned fast if you ask me | 22:43 |
| kiko-afk | wow | 22:43 |
| jsauer | Hey there! QUESTION: Can I branch a vcs-imports branch (eg. ~vcs-imports/evolution/head) fix a bug and then make a merge propose to commit this fix upstream? | 22:46 |
| Assid | weird | 22:46 |
| * Assid thinks the webserver is a bit outta whack? | 22:48 | |
| exarkun | Assid: Sorry if this is obvious, but don't you think you should provide some details if you're trying to report a bug? | 22:50 |
| Assid | well it just sits there trying to connect oto the site. but doesnt do anything.. firefox says connecting to... but thats it | 22:51 |
| exarkun | Are you sure it's not a DNS problem? (Can you resolve the hostname using another tool?) Or maybe a Firefox memory corruption issue? (Does it work if you restart Firefox?) | 22:52 |
| Assid | c | 22:53 |
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| Assid | SSL error:no issuer was found-Continue? | 22:54 |
| Assid | as per lynx | 22:54 |
| Assid | firefox still doesnt work tho | 22:54 |
| Assid | dont know what to say | 22:55 |
| Assid | okay started working on its own now | 22:56 |
| poolie | hello | 22:56 |
| Assid | slow.. but atleast the title to the page has loaded | 22:57 |
| Assid | okay started working. | 22:58 |
| mpt | Goooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 23:00 |
| steveire | Hi. Before it got backported I put libxine in my ppa. I'd intended that the ppa version would be overriden when the official version was backported. I named it 1.1.10-1ubuntu1~ppa1. However, that version name does not get overriden by the backported version. http://rafb.net/p/bN6WYA12.html. What should I have named it in this case and how can I anticipate the version of the backported package in the future? | 23:23 |
| stdin | steveire: ~ppa1 is higher than ~gutsy1 because 'p' is higher than 'g' | 23:31 |
| stdin | ~gutsy1~ppa1 is what I tend to use when building on non-development releases | 23:31 |
| steveire | stdin: You mean u is higer than g? How should I name things then? | 23:31 |
| stdin | ah, with libxine there is no ubuntu revision | 23:33 |
| steveire | The previous version in backports was 1.1.8-2ubuntu2~gutsy1. I'd assumed it would follow the same scheme. | 23:33 |
| steveire | Is there a way to build non-dev releases without second guessing what the backporter will name the package? | 23:34 |
| stdin | use <version>-0~gutsy1~ppa1 if there is no debian package (1.1.8-0~gutsy1~ppa1) or us the version from debian and add ~gutsy1~ppa1 | 23:35 |
| ubotu | New bug: #194176 in blueprint "Superseded status is redundant with superseded link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194176 | 23:56 |
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