[00:45] <mbrush> I got a pc that i just formatted the hard drive ... is hardy ready for mainstream use?  or should I just stick with gutsy for now?
[00:48] <AtomicSpark> mbrush: better stick with gutsy. ;)
[00:48] <BaD_CrC> i'm using alpha 4. i wouldn't suggest using it on a production system or a system where you will have stuff you value.
[00:48] <mbrush> it's just for fun
[00:48] <mbrush> i wanna see if i can get my LCD working
[00:49] <BaD_CrC> try plugging it in and turning it on?
[00:49] <mbrush> hehehehe
[00:49] <AtomicSpark> yeah just for fun then youll come in here bitching about driver issues. lol jk.
[00:49] <mbrush> yeah, probs with 1680x1050 .... i've spent far too many hours trying to get it to work
[00:50] <BaD_CrC> get the windows .inf file for the monitor and transpose the resolutions and frequencies into the xorg.conf file
[00:50] <BaD_CrC> that's what i had to do with my 32" wide viewsonic lcd
[00:51] <mbrush> I got the HV freqs from the manual
[00:52] <mbrush> I've tried a whole pile of different stuff with the xorg.conf ... it goes to 1680x1050 but it's all stretched out and beyond the edge of the screen
[00:53] <BaD_CrC> what video driver?
[00:53] <BaD_CrC> and what's the lcd's native resolution?
[00:55] <mbrush> ATI AIW (tried 'ati' and 'fglrx') and 1680x1050
[00:58] <BaD_CrC> 1680x1050 is native?
[00:58] <BaD_CrC> hrm
[01:05] <CarlFK> there is a button to the right of the 'System' menu - it dosnn't do anything.  what is is for?
[01:08] <asdrubal> CarlFK, it is for to poop on you
[01:08] <CarlFK> heh
[01:08] <CarlFK> I bet it is spozed to be firefiox
[01:09] <CarlFK> FF, email, help -
[01:10] <CarlFK> ack - crash report errored...
[01:10] <CarlFK> lp is sad.
[01:11] <mbrush> BaD_CrC, sorry, I got too many windows open here ... hehehe , yea that is native res
[01:17] <CarlFK> how do I activate the vga port on a laptop?
[01:17] <CarlFK> hitting the Fn-F3/F5 which has little screen icons didn't do it
[01:18] <CarlFK> er
[01:18] <CarlFK> where "i" = plug in the monitor
[01:19] <BaD_CrC> bios setting?
[01:19] <CarlFK> never mind.  nothing to see here...
[01:20] <CarlFK> in playing "push all the buttons" I did find that Fn-F4 put's it to sleep, and it wakes up ok
[01:21] <RAOF> CarlFK: The button you may be after is "xrandr --auto"
[01:22] <mbrush> anyone know of a site where people post their xorg.conf and make/model of their vid/monitors?
[01:22] <mbrush> such a database would be extremely useful
[01:23] <CarlFK> RAOF: nice.  thanks
[01:26] <mannytu_> hello
[01:27] <mannytu_> is #ubuntu down?
[01:27] <credible> "down"?
[01:27] <mannytu_> it tells me that I am ban?
[01:28] <credible> mannytu_: join #ubuntu-ops
[01:28] <mannytu_> ok
[01:32] <RyanPrior> Intrepid Ibix - is that sort of like a Gnu? =D
[01:33] <RyanPrior> Ubuntu Ibix/Linux
[01:39] <CarlFK> /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[01:39] <CarlFK> warty?
[01:46] <RyanPrior> That is strange...
[01:47] <CarlFK> "where do I change the name of the default backgroud?"  "I du no, use the same filename, replace the file"
[01:47] <RyanPrior> Seems to be a popular method for Linux hackery. :-)
[01:49] <r00723r0> Hi, my soundcard is not working anymore. I just rebooted my computer and now it does not find the device.
[01:50] <CarlFK> speaking of sound, where can I see a level meeter that shows what the mic is picking up?
[01:50] <heret1c> 'lo
[01:50] <r00723r0> Recording Level Monitor.
[01:51] <r00723r0> It's called vumeter.
[01:51] <CarlFK> thanks
[01:51] <r00723r0> Anyone know?
[01:57] <r00723r0> Can anyone help me out?
[02:05] <heret1c> 13 s lag
[02:06] <heret1c> hup
[02:07] <heret1c> kde or gnome?
[02:09] <r00723r0> heret1c, personal preference.
[02:10] <heret1c> what do you need to know? mixer window?
[02:10]  * heret1c joined just now
[02:12] <r00723r0> heret1c, my sound card is not working anymore.
[02:12] <r00723r0> I am told it cannot find the device.
[02:12] <r00723r0> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[02:12] <heret1c> ah.
[02:14] <r00723r0> Last thing that happened was I accidentally kicked the computer and it froze. I was listening to music in the process and when I kicked it the output went garbly. I just rebooted.
[02:15] <heret1c> cheeched the sc is properly plugged? kiick may have disconnected it (unlikely, 'tho)
[02:16] <r00723r0> I'll check right now.
[02:20] <heret1c> I take for grranted u run hardy.
[02:21] <r00723r0> Aye.
[02:24] <RyanPrior> Can't wait for networking in gvfs!!!
[02:28] <heret1c> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha4
[02:31] <heret1c> ubotu bug audio
[02:32] <heret1c> coochie....
[02:39] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi all.
[02:40] <nerdygirl_ellie> I just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 on a development machine with update-manager -d.  My grub.conf was set to access the HDD by UID, and that doesn't seem to work.  It's dropping me to a busybox prompt.  Can anyone help?
[02:41] <Dr_willis> change the UUID to the  /dev/hd# or sd# perhaps.
[02:41] <nerdygirl_ellie> Additional Data:  if I insmod ide-core ide-generic and ide-disk, my /dev/hd* show up and I can mount them, but I'm not sure how to do that upstream in grub.
[02:41] <Dr_willis> i thought most ide disks are now shown as the /dev/sd## type notation .
[02:42] <Dr_willis> befor loading those modules try sudo fdisk -l, to see what disks are seen.
[02:42] <nerdygirl_ellie> AFAIK, that's SATA, but I don't know.  (going to get the test laptop, brb)
[02:43] <Dr_willis> The changes to the ide subsystem are making  most of my machines show their IDE disks as scsi disks these days.   I got a few that still show them as  hd##
[02:43] <heret1c> dr_willis> hi there.
[02:43] <Dr_willis> Moo!
[02:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:44] <heret1c> didst hdparn -Tt your disk(s)?
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Im not on a linux box at the moment.
[02:44] <heret1c>             m
[02:44] <heret1c> ah
[02:44] <Dr_willis> why should i speed test my  disks? :0
[02:44] <Dr_willis> heh.
[02:45] <heret1c> it ought to  be priority numero ono.
[02:45] <Dr_willis> I have no disk problems here.
[02:45] <heret1c> checking wether fma is on.
[02:45] <heret1c> dma
[02:47] <heret1c> they have to sort it out. with 99% certainty, that bug and the (default) spindown setting zapped my drive.
[02:48] <nerdygirl_ellie> heret1c: the one in /etc/.../laptop-mode?
[02:49] <heret1c> ng> spot on.
[02:50] <Dr_willis> the one that ive seen so many heated threads on - and not a lot of real data. :)
[02:51] <Dr_willis> and yes dma is on for all my hard disks.  :)
[02:51] <heret1c> pointless for a lappy running on ac most of the time.
[02:52] <heret1c> doc> what hdparm -d1 say?
[02:53] <AtomicSpark> heret1c: no its not. rather use AC power then wear out my battery. :P
[02:54] <heret1c> as> spot on.
[02:55] <Dr_willis> from what i hear just Looking at your laptop battery wears them out.
[02:56] <nerdygirl_ellie> Additional Data point.  My issue does not seem to occur with one of the older new kernels.*  specific version in a second...  The hd was not recognised as /dev/hd* or /dev/sd* on the new new kernel, but is /dev/sd* on the older new kernel.
[02:56] <Dr_willis> its amazing how short a lifespan those things seem to have
[02:56] <AtomicSpark> so i make a point about people being fan boys, and i get called on being off topic. saying two sentances lol. and this other guy is talking about needing to change all his usernames on all the websites. :|
[02:57] <nerdygirl_ellie> We could always switch back to good old lead acid batteries.. :)  A deep cycle battery will power your laptop for about 8 hours... of course it weighs 80 lbs and airport security will be on you like nachos, but it works!
[02:57] <AtomicSpark> lol. i noticed my battery is in the back unlike most laptops. at least i wont lose my genitals if it explodes.
[02:58] <heret1c> doc> enter holograpic memory.
[02:59] <AtomicSpark> so lets talk about something ubuntu related. anyone get it running on KVM yet?
[02:59] <nerdygirl_ellie> Here you go... http://www.batterymart.com/p-12v-225ah-sealed-lead-acid-gel-battery.html  225 amp hours.    Enough for what, a week of work?  :D
[03:00] <AtomicSpark> :|
[03:01] <AtomicSpark> i see why you guys hang out in here. the main chat is madness!
[03:01] <heret1c> ng> google "hutchinson effect". 8)
[03:02] <nerdygirl_ellie> 40% my ____ doesn't work, 10% how do I compile ____ and why do I need gcc, 50% ubotu?
[03:02] <AtomicSpark> haha.
[03:03] <AtomicSpark> some guy was saying ubuntu is far behind other distos. thats where i had to butt in.
[03:03] <AtomicSpark> and another thing. they keep mentioning envy, but autobot says stay away.
[03:04] <AtomicSpark> grr >:(
[03:04] <nerdygirl_ellie> tehe
[03:05] <njol> my tv-tuner doesn't work ;(
[03:05] <Dr_willis> AtomicSpark,  go ahead and use it... just dont expect any support in here from it.
[03:05] <njol> how do i compile drivers for it?
[03:05] <njol> do you know it ubotu?
[03:05] <njol> hey
[03:05] <Pici> !bot | njol
[03:05] <ubotu> njol: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:05] <Dr_willis> njol,  are there linux drivers for it? Theres a lot of tv cards that do not work under linux
[03:05] <Pici> !tv
[03:05] <ubotu> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[03:06] <Dr_willis> work timne for me byeee
[03:06] <heret1c> goferit
[03:07] <AtomicSpark> i had to close the room
[03:07] <AtomicSpark> it was just too much
[03:07] <nerdygirl_ellie> curious.  It ran an fsck on /dev/sda1, and then dropped me back in to busybox.  odd.
[03:08] <AtomicSpark> you ran it on a mounted drive didnt you?
[03:09] <nerdygirl_ellie> no.
[03:09] <njol> funny, my tv-tuner is analog but maintained in DVB driver, not ivtv
[03:09] <nerdygirl_ellie> << does not understand the boot process very well, but is competent in other areas.
[03:10] <njol> like power off process?
[03:10] <nerdygirl_ellie> ... including not ignoring the fsck warnings about mounted drives, and being smart enough to remount them -ro
[03:10] <AtomicSpark> why does pidgen store stuff ina  folder called purple? is that why my name on irc chat is purple?! madness.
[03:11] <RAOF> AtomicSpark: Because that's what its core is called.  libpurple.
[03:11] <AtomicSpark> oh i see. interesting.
[03:11] <credible> used to be called 'libgaim'
[03:11] <njol> AtomicSpark: set your name and it will not be "purple"
[03:11] <nerdygirl_ellie> s/pidgin/evolution && s/purple/camel
[03:12] <AtomicSpark> do you know where I could get libgaim? its actully preventing me from installing gnome on my centos 5 server.
[03:12] <AtomicSpark> since that rename, the install just fails.
[03:15] <AtomicSpark> brb
[03:16] <AtomicSpark> had to get the name of the NickServ bot. :P
[03:19] <nerdygirl_ellie> w00t.  I can boot to the CLI...
[03:19] <AtomicSpark> good
[03:19] <nerdygirl_ellie> Time to fix my X!
[03:19] <nerdygirl_ellie> ttfn.
[03:20] <AtomicSpark> lawl.
[03:20] <AtomicSpark> i noticed some of you have your ip hidden
[03:20] <AtomicSpark> how does one do that?
[03:21]  * nemo isn't shy, personally
[03:21] <AtomicSpark> well you use comcast
[03:21] <AtomicSpark> there is no excuse for you
[03:21] <AtomicSpark> :P
[03:21] <nemo> well. I just cancelled verizon FIOS on monday
[03:22] <nemo> after having gone to the trouble of purchasing it
[03:22] <nemo> at the moment they are on my hate list
[03:22] <nemo> and those are the only two options in my area
[03:22] <AtomicSpark> yeah. i have cable. i don't bitch too much.
[03:44] <heret1c> h'm. no shoutcast in hardy repos yet.
[03:45] <Mark_Milliman> Is update-manager telling you there are any updates today?
[03:46] <Mark_Milliman> It says, " It is unknown when the package information was updated last."
[03:46] <heret1c> nope.
[03:46] <Mark_Milliman> Lately they have been pushing out at least one update a day
[03:46] <Mark_Milliman> last night package-manager received an update
[03:47] <Mark_Milliman> I am just wondering why it is telling me that the package information is unknown
[03:48] <Mark_Milliman> The package information seems to download and compares against existing packages before reporting that message
[03:48] <Mark_Milliman> gotta eat...back in 5 minutes
[03:49]  * heret1c uses sudo -i | apt-get update 
[03:54] <Flannel> heret1c: shoutcast won't be in Hardy, its proprietary (I guess it could be in multiverse), but icecast is what you're looking for probably
[04:00] <ubuntu> I'm installing kubuntu hardy daily iso
[04:00] <ubuntu> I'm stuck at 94%
[04:01] <ubuntu> (configuring hardware)
[04:01] <ubuntu> anyone know if it's ok to kill the installer at this stage?
[04:02] <mcquaid> i'm wondering if alpha 5 will be released in the early hours of the day (i.e. soon) or tomorrow night
[04:02] <ubuntu> I can't see anything in the system log
[04:03] <ubuntu> I think it's stuck on the wireless drivers
[04:04] <naught101> stupid installer
[04:04] <Mark_Milliman> Is it officially announced or just slipped to us through a slew of packages through update-manager?
[04:05] <Mark_Milliman> apt-get update didn't return any changes
[04:06] <Mark_Milliman> The update to update-manager must have a little bug in it
[04:08] <Mark_Milliman> I hope that it is soon because there are still some python bugs.  At least the biggest of them seem to have gone away
[04:08] <Mark_Milliman> I still have Screenlets occasionally crashing
[04:09] <thero1> hardy is working great for me 1st install that compiz works with no tweaking.  Only 1 issue that I'm curious if anyone else is seeing.  With compiz on, my windows have an pixalized shadow that looks really rough.  Is this something that is known?
[04:10] <Mark_Milliman> thero1, my shadow is fine.  What video card to you have?
[04:10] <Mark_Milliman> It sounds driver related with alpha-blending
[04:10] <Mark_Milliman> my nVidia works
[04:10] <Mark_Milliman> great
[04:11] <Mark_Milliman> I am just as comfortable with Hardy as Gutsy.  Gutsy seemed like a beta to me
[04:11] <AtomicSpark> now now. dont start telling people they can use hardy as a main os. :P
[04:12] <Mark_Milliman> It is not for everyone but the people in here should be the ones gutsy enough to try Hardy.
[04:12] <heret1c> snooze.
[04:12] <Mark_Milliman> Don't get all legal on me
[04:12] <Mark_Milliman> I had several problems with Gutsy's stability
[04:13] <Mark_Milliman> Since I stopped tweaking this box Sunday, it has been working flawlessly.  I just had to restart Compiz a couple of times which is par for the course.  Most of the time it was due to python errors in other apps.
[04:13] <thero1> shadowing works correctly in  the menu and for the top of windows and bottom.  only choppy looking on the left and right side of windows.  Using Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[04:14] <AtomicSpark> ick.
[04:14] <Mark_Milliman> Didn't I see a driver update yesterday or the day before for those?
[04:16] <Mark_Milliman> Take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=682598
[04:18] <Mark_Milliman> Great thing about Linux is it can function wonderfully on older hardware and do things only the newest hardware can do with Visa
[04:18] <Mark_Milliman> Vista that is
[04:19] <Flannel> Hey guys, I've got a question as to how Dapper -> Hardy upgrades are working if there's no linux-image-686 transitional packages in hardy? (or at least, not on the alt CD or in packages.ubuntu.com)
[04:20] <Mark_Milliman> with SAMBA this machine serves up music, pictures and files to the Win boxes and no one knows any different
[04:20] <Mark_Milliman> ouch!
[04:20] <Mark_Milliman> Haven't tried that one
[04:21] <Mark_Milliman> I have always gone from current release to current release
[04:21] <Flannel> Well, dapper is current
[04:21] <Mark_Milliman> Guess so
[04:21] <Flannel> not that edgy -> hardy will work, but LTS to LTS is half the point of LTS
[04:22] <Mark_Milliman> true
[04:22] <Mark_Milliman> I just went from Dapper to Edgy to Fiesty to Gutsy to Hardy
[04:23] <asdrubal> Mark_Milliman, aren't you afraid of hard drive fragmentation?
[04:23] <asdrubal> I like clean installs
[04:23] <Mark_Milliman> During the Hardy upgrade I had a USB device go down that caused me to completely rebuild my system
[04:23] <asdrubal> pack that data in there tightly
[04:23] <Mark_Milliman> I decided it was time for a clean install
[04:23] <Mark_Milliman> I typically keep all of my packages updated
[04:23] <Flannel> asdrubal: ext3 doesn't really suffer from fragmentation
[04:23] <Mark_Milliman> that has kept me away from transitional packages
[04:24] <Mark_Milliman> ext3 and all *nix file systems handle fragmentation well
[04:24] <mcquaid> LTS to LTS is a good point. you'd think that should work
[04:25] <Mark_Milliman> I keep a running list of all of the non-distro packages I install.  I had to rebuild/compile a handful of packages on this rebuild
[04:25] <Mark_Milliman> that keeps everything fresh
[04:25] <Flannel> It will/does/whatever, people have been testing.  I'm just wondering how it actually does work, since I don't see transitional packages
[04:25] <AtomicSpark> i hear from other irc users that upgrading will slow your machine down. donno how.
[04:25] <Mark_Milliman> LTS to LTS should be supported
[04:25] <mcquaid> Mark_Milliman, I just remove my checkinstalls/3rd party reps installs before upgrage
[04:25] <mcquaid> upgrade
[04:25] <cwillu> Flannel, I'd expect the upgrader manually installs new packages rather than letting aptitude handle it automatically
[04:26] <Mark_Milliman> Somewhere on the Ubuntu web site there is an explanation of the upgrade process
[04:26] <Flannel> cwillu: Isn't that a stupid way of doing it though?  Personally, I'd prefer not to have to use update-manager-core
[04:26] <Mark_Milliman> I have only had minor issues when upgrading distributions
[04:26] <AtomicSpark> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto?highlight=%28upgrade%29
[04:26] <AtomicSpark> dapper > hardy
[04:26] <Mark_Milliman> cool Atomic
[04:27] <asdrubal> Do you guys know what's wrong with the cx88-alsa.ko module in 2.6.24-8? it hasn't worked since 2.6.24-4
[04:27] <Flannel> We know its supported, its apparently working too.  Just not how it was supposed to work last I inquired about it (about a year ago)
[04:27] <AtomicSpark> there was a more indepth page but i just found that while searching
[04:27] <Flannel> maybe more like six months, but still.  Seems awkward to not just have proper trans packages
[04:27] <Mark_Milliman> Isn't the purpose of the upgrade-manager to make life easier Flannel?
[04:27] <mcquaid> ok cool. i didn't know dapper > hardy worked
[04:28] <mcquaid> so if it can do taht, why not edgy? just curious
[04:28] <Flannel> Mark_Milliman: Its to make sure people don't screw up their system while upgrading, by removing third party repos, and doing some sanity checks before upgrading.  Thats it.
[04:28] <AtomicSpark> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgrades more about it. states some potential issues.
[04:29] <Flannel> Ive read that page.  It doesn't address anything technical
[04:29] <AtomicSpark> you have to go from edgy > fiesty > gutsy
[04:29] <AtomicSpark> thre is a page explaining you cant skip.. still looking.
[04:29] <Mark_Milliman> Exactly to make Linux easy for the uneasy
[04:29] <Flannel> mcquaid: Technically you could do edgy. It's not supported, but it is doable if you know what you're doing
[04:29] <Mark_Milliman> Not all of us are command line jockeys
[04:29] <mcquaid> ok. just curious doesn't really apply to me. I havea gutsy box and a dapper box that I never got around to upgrading
[04:29] <AtomicSpark> wow. its on the main page. lol.
[04:29] <AtomicSpark> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:30] <AtomicSpark> that explains all.
[04:30] <Flannel> Mark_Milliman: I prefer it if my server didn't have it's life in some blackbox's script hands.  Not that its source isn't out there, I'd just prefer an actual explanation of why it wasn't done the easy way (and how it actually works)
[04:30] <Mark_Milliman> Hell, I have been using *nix for 20+ years and I still don't know all of the intricacies of package-manager.  That is why I use the dumb GUI most of the time.
[04:30] <Flannel> Mark_Milliman: but mostly, its just for my own knowledge, since I know I'm going to have to debug botched upgrades in #ubuntu once may comes around
[04:30] <AtomicSpark> i just recently discovered using add/remove programs is easier then package manager. ha. i use that now. :P
[04:31] <Mark_Milliman> Flannel, I see your point which is why we have both methods.  I also wanted to understand what would happen when I upgraded.
[04:31] <AtomicSpark> i didnt understand the difference at first. they should explain it better.
[04:32] <Flannel> Mark_Milliman: basically, transitional packages (along with metapackages) get upgraded, and drag the rest of the versions along with them (metapackages and transitional packages take care of package name changes, like GAIM to pidgin, and whatnot)
[04:32] <Mark_Milliman> Whether through the GUI or CLI I always want to know what will be happening and how it will affect my custom kernel, drivers, and non-distro programs.
[04:32] <mcquaid> i'm glad they finally added (back) the ability to install without formatting home
[04:32] <mcquaid> you used to be able to, then they removed it from the live cd, i enquired about it and found out it was a feature. lol
[04:32] <Flannel> mcquaid: I don't think it ever went away, unless you're talking about some Hardy alpha
[04:33] <mcquaid> yes it left from live cds for awhile now.
[04:33] <mcquaid> only the alt installer could you uncheck format filesystem
[04:33] <Mark_Milliman> I didn't use the live cd until I had to rebuild from scratch
[04:33] <Flannel> mcquaid: In hardy then?  since I know Gutsy allows you
[04:34] <Mark_Milliman> It formatted root and home
[04:34] <mcquaid> gutsy doesn't not allow you to.
[04:34] <mcquaid> err does not..
[04:34] <Mark_Milliman> Flannel, I have a stupid IRC question.  How are you sending me private messages in the main window?
[04:35] <Mark_Milliman> over the years I have become Windows lazy and didn't come back to IRC until a year ago or so
[04:35] <Flannel> Mark_Milliman: these aren't private, they're simply prefixed with your name, so your client highlights them, just like you juts did to me.
[04:36] <Mark_Milliman> aaah
[04:36] <Mark_Milliman> so Chatzilla is doing that for me
[04:37] <AtomicSpark> yes
[04:37] <AtomicSpark> i noticed pidgin has an option for ssl. does any irc server actully use ssl?
[04:37] <mcquaid> here's the wiki on this new 'feature' of keeping one's home:
[04:37] <mcquaid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityPreserveHome
[04:38] <mcquaid> well it's kind of good i guess, it checks if there's an existing nix install and removes basically everything except /home
[04:38] <mcquaid> before, I did the equivalent manually.  I mounted the part via a live cd.  Deleted everything except home (to get a clean install cause of problems I had)
[04:39] <mcquaid> I've done this in the past without issue. But gutsy won't allow you if home occupies the / dir instead of it's own part
[04:39] <AtomicSpark> "if it gets approved" you sure its a feature of a current release?
[04:39] <AtomicSpark> you mean if home is not its own partition? ;)
[04:40] <mcquaid> i thought they were boasting this as a new feature of hardy
[04:40] <AtomicSpark> maybe it is. it might not be in the current version.
[04:40] <AtomicSpark> the blueprint is hard to understand. :\
[04:41] <mcquaid> err if /home is in it's own part there's no issue.  If one installs all of ubuntu to one part, it forces a format with the live cd (even if you uncheck format part)
[04:41] <mcquaid> whereas the alt cd has always allowed you to uncheck format part
[04:42] <AtomicSpark> hmm. i know they're working on moving some features from alt cd to the live cd.
[04:42] <mcquaid> i had to redownload the alt cd to accomplish this as I didn't have the space to back up my home
[04:42] <AtomicSpark> like encryption and adv partitioning.
[04:42] <Flannel> mcquaid: They never removed that feature.  If /home was on the same partition as /, you could never keep /home
[04:43] <mcquaid> yes you could.  i did it before
[04:43] <mcquaid> before dapper what was the release called again...
[04:43] <Flannel> Hoary
[04:44] <Flannel> er, Breezy
[04:44] <mcquaid> ok with hoary you could
[04:44] <mcquaid> or breezy
[04:44] <mcquaid> any before dapper iirc
[04:44] <Flannel> I'll fire up a breezy liveCD, but I don't think so.  Since that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
[04:44] <Flannel> Er wait
[04:44] <Flannel> pre-dapper you can't install from a liveCD
[04:44]  * Flannel isn't thinking.
[04:44] <mcquaid> i enquired when I couldn't and found out it was a new 'feature' cause some people installed ubuntu on existing installs (like say an old fedora install) and it caused issues
[04:47] <mcquaid> ok maybe i'm mixing up releases.  I swear on one box i could uncheck format part with the live cd and it proceeded
[04:47] <mcquaid> then I couldn't any longer
[04:48] <Flannel> yeah, but that'd be on a separate partition
[04:49] <mcquaid> nope, never used sep parts for home. always meant to but didn't
[04:50] <AtomicSpark> you can uncheck it if you chose custom instead of recommended.
[04:50] <AtomicSpark> wait no. you cant uncheck the root partition. just other ones. like your windows. ha.
[04:59] <njol> urban terror is awesome
[05:08] <naught101> does anyone know what will happen if I kill the installer at 94% (configuring hardware), and restart? it seems to have frozen
[05:09] <naught101> CD install
[05:35] <cdm10> It's amazing how broken Seahorse is
[05:35] <cdm10> I don't know why they've put it into Hardy.
[05:36]  * DanaG doesn't know what Seahorse is used for, anyway.
[05:36] <cdm10> DanaG: It's a GnuPG frontend.
[05:36] <cdm10> I mean, it would be a really nice program, if it worked.
[05:36] <cdm10> The UI is great, but breaks a lot.
[05:44]  * cwillu was about to suggest launchpad as a better avenue for gripes, but is growing concerned about the number of segv related bugs in a security app :/
[05:47] <r00723r0> Does the drawer applet work for anyone?
[05:51] <DanaG> Odd: compiz-fusion is acting like I have "Number of Desktops" set to 4... but it's not,
[05:52] <DanaG> .   I have to go to ccsm and change it from 1 to 2 and back to 1 in order for my taskbar and pager to work properly.
[05:53] <CarlFK> I deleted my fstab.  amazingly, my box still boots.  the only reason i figurd it out was wondering why I didn't have any swap.
[05:54] <CarlFK> it was a default install - can someone post theirs?
[05:58] <njol> how to "make install" debian way?
[06:00] <CarlFK> njol: is there a .deb for any version of what you are building ?  (what are you building? )
[06:01] <njol> CarlFK: my bad, i also should "make" 1st, it is v4l-dvb driver and i guess i should make deb file and then install it
[06:01] <CarlFK> right.  "make a deb" is harder than it sounds
[06:02] <CarlFK> so I find some thing similar, use the 'config' from that
[06:02] <CarlFK> I have tried 2 or 3 times to make a .deb from scratch.  i gave up
[06:03] <cdm10> CarlFK: It depends on what you're making a .deb for... the process can vary widely.
[06:03] <njol> mmm i see, actually i have seen some simple commands for doing it, but cant find it now, maybe i wrong
[06:04] <CarlFK> njol: the command is: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -b
[06:04] <njol> i'll try that
[06:04] <CarlFK> but it expects a bunch of files in your sources's debiain/ dir
[06:04] <cdm10> CarlFK: what? You need a working and configured /debian filesystem for dpkg-buildpackage to work
[06:04] <cdm10> ah, yes
[06:05] <CarlFK> yup.
[06:06] <CarlFK> njol: don't suppose you can explain to me the difference between v4l and v4l2 drivers ?
[06:06] <CarlFK> I am working with one, and can't figure out which it is
[06:07] <njol> sorry i'm not sure
[06:07] <CarlFK> rats.
[06:08] <njol> do i required to remove old drivers (btw how to do it if they are part of kernel... modules) or i may just make install new on top of them?
[06:10] <CarlFK> depends...
[06:10] <CarlFK> it is best to make a .eb
[06:10] <CarlFK> it is best to make a .deb
[06:15] <DanaG> wtf?  can't report bug in pidgin.
[06:15] <DanaG> At the very least, it should show ME the backtrace but not allow me to file it, if I have out-of-date packages.
[06:15] <DanaG> Otherwise, I can't even figure it out for myself.
[06:17] <njol> CarlFK: i found/remembered simple command to make debs, its called checkinstall
[06:29] <cwillu> DanaG, can you duplicate it?
[06:29] <DanaG> I just had a random crash, and I have fontconfig held back, so it wouldn't let me try to file a bug.
[06:30] <cwillu> could post it by hand I guess,
[06:32] <DanaG> My issue is the other way around: I couldn't even tell what the bug was, because it said "you have old packages" even before it showed a backtrace.
[06:34] <mhollisjr> is there anything I should know about with Hardy before I attempt to install Compiz?
[06:34] <cwillu> other than that gutsy and hardy already install compiz with ubuntu-desktop?
[06:35] <mhollisjr> er hmm ok I'm blind then ^^ where would I look for that?
[06:35] <cwillu> it should be on by default if the hardware is known to be compatible
[06:36] <mhollisjr> doesn't appear to be, but I know the hardware is compatibly
[06:36] <mhollisjr> compatible
[06:36] <cwillu> system | prefs | appearance |
[06:36] <cwillu> 'normal desktop effects'
[06:36] <mhollisjr> thank you
[06:36] <cwillu> if you want more config, there's a more thorough config package available in the repo
[06:37] <mhollisjr> yeah I saw those I just didnt' see the main package, it being installed might be why ^^
[06:41] <mhollisjr> ahh nevermind I know why I didnt' have the option, forgot to install the video driver ><
[06:42] <mhollisjr> gotta restart, thanks again for the help
[06:44]  * DanaG wants his next laptop to have a case skin of that Heron wallpaper.
[06:45] <DanaG> That'd be awesome.
[06:46] <cwillu> oooo, I haven't even looked at the new theme yet
[06:47] <DanaG> No new theme is yet installed; just a new wallpaper.
[06:48] <DanaG> Reminds me of these, too:  http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/
[06:48] <DanaG> http://hp.skinit.com/skins/hpmtv_exclusive
[07:30] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> s2disk breaks my swap
[07:31] <DanaG> That happened to me.... somehow my swap randomly disappeared, and I didn't notice it for about a week, until I noticed a lack of swap activity shown in
[07:31] <DanaG> !info wmhdplop
[07:31] <ubotu> wmhdplop (source: wmhdplop): A hard drive activity monitor dockapp. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-1 (hardy), package size 28 kB, installed size 124 kB
[07:31] <DanaG> Nifty thingy.
[07:32] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> DanaG, so does it make ur swap unrecorgnizable ?
[07:33] <DanaG> Yeah, when I tried swapon, it said, "can't find swap signature", or something like that.
[07:33] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> DanaG, i have to reformat my swap partition and manually change the uuid in fstab to make it mountable
[07:33] <DanaG> To fix it, use mkswap on the partition -- but be very very sure you have the right partition!
[07:33] <DanaG> I don't use s2disk, usually.
[07:34] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i wanna use s2ram but it's not built with uswsusp
[07:35] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> wandering if i can just build suspend by myself
[07:36] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> until now, neither hibernate or suspend works for me
[07:38] <DanaG> Hmm, suspend works about 2/3 of the time for me; other times it fails to resume.
[07:38] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> what kind vcard u have?
[07:38] <DanaG> Try mucking around with the VBE and VIDEO options in /etc/default/acpi-support -- but make comments to indicate the defaults.
[07:38] <DanaG> GeForce Go 7600.
[07:39] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> ok, i will try that, cus im pretty sure when i try to resume from suspend, the x hangs
[07:41] <RAOF> You might want to try disabling sync-to-vblank in compiz?
[07:41] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i already disable it
[07:42] <RAOF> Fair enough :)
[07:42] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> i use both sync to vbank from nvidia settings
[07:42] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> but i build the nvidia driver myself, could that be a problem?
[07:43] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> DanaG, so i should make save_vbe_state=true in acpi-support?
[07:44] <DanaG> I have most of those things set to false.
[07:45] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and make sure to comment the defaults so you can restore them!
[07:45] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> ya
[07:48] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> DanaG, do i need to restart x to make new acpi-support work?
[07:48] <DanaG> Wow, I've been using a blue theme for quite a while, and just switched back to an orange theme, and somehow it's improved my mood!
[07:48] <DanaG> Wow!
[07:48] <DanaG> I don't think you have to do anything to make it take effect
[07:49] <DanaG> but for safety, you can sudo /etc/init.d/acpi-support force-reload.
[07:49] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> ok, thanks
[07:49] <[Gutsy]TuTUXG> brb
[07:50] <DanaG> I think I've linked to the HP Japan wallpapers, right?
[07:50] <DanaG> Those seem like a good reference for nice colors.
[07:51] <DanaG> Gaack, my networkmanager icon has a BROWN wallpaper.
[07:51] <DanaG> WTF?
[07:52] <njol> what is program for scan for tv channels? (analog)
[07:55] <njol> i installed mythtv but scan option is grayed
[08:06] <DanaG> WTF?  I held down tab and it got stuck.
[08:06] <DanaG> Once it unstuck, now all my function keys are broken.
[08:07] <DanaG> Here's me hitting alt-tab:
[08:07] <DanaG> 																						
[08:13] <slytherin> Which is best for core 2 duo, i386 image with smp kernel or amd64 image?
[08:15] <njol> i386
[08:15] <slytherin> njol: thanks.
[08:18] <naught101> restricted-manager isn't in the repository at the moment?
[08:18] <naught101> s/y/ies/
[08:18] <ethana2> hmm.. the intel proprietary wirless drivers...
[08:18] <ethana2> I don't think they...  work... well
[08:19] <ethana2> Does intel open those up too, or just their graphics drivers?
[08:21] <njol> naught101: if you mean videocard thingy its called jockey-gtk
[08:22] <njol> mmm it says it manages wireless also
[08:22] <njol> modules
[08:22] <naught101> njol: jockey-kde, yeah I guess. is it supposed to be installed by default in a new install?
[08:23] <njol> oh they made a kde version also
[08:23] <naught101> yep, apparently
[08:23] <njol> of course it should be installed
[08:23] <njol> but it in crash stance probably
[08:24] <njol> if you use alpha 4
[08:24] <naught101> crash stance?
[08:24] <njol> :)
[08:24] <naught101> I'm using daily build from yesterday
[08:24] <naught101> and it's not installed by default
[08:25] <njol> did you tried to update OS, install it, etc?
[08:25] <Unksi> atleast the jockey installed automatically when i updated the system^
[08:25] <Unksi> so guess its getting included
[08:26] <njol> well daily builds may have something broken
[08:27] <njol> today or tomorrow alpha5 is expected
[08:28] <naught101> njol: no, I installed from CD
[08:28] <naught101> yeah, I know, but I broke my PC using alpha4, so I had to upgrade
[08:28]  * naught101 loves having a separate /home partition
[08:31] <njol> just updare os and see if jockey will be restored
[08:31] <njol> update*
[08:31] <njol> it is in repo
[08:33] <hit> http://www.postimage.org/Pq1B_88r-cae553c4b11a8787e5f18465394b0322.png two different locations???
[08:33] <hit> can't erase those folders in trash:///
[08:34] <Assid> crapper
[08:34] <naught101> njol: I installed it manually
[08:34] <Assid> i had to reinstall xserver/nvidia-glx-new etc
[08:34] <Assid> finally got back
[08:35] <DanaG> Ooh, spiffy: http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/
[08:35] <cwillu> probably .Trash-<username>
[08:35] <njol> hit: try rm
[08:35] <Assid> wadddup
[08:35] <Assid> sup DanaG
[08:36] <DanaG> dagblasted keyboard broke -- I can't ctrl-anything or alt-anything.
[08:36] <DanaG> It's an Xorg problem.
[08:36] <hit> There's only ~/.Trash
[08:36] <cwillu> weird
[08:36] <Assid> DanaG: oh i had that
[08:36] <DanaG> It started after Tab got stuck for a while, and then unstuck... and now those things, as well as key repeat, are broken.
[08:36] <Assid> i keep running into it
[08:36] <Assid> DanaG: trythis
[08:36] <Assid> disable compiz
[08:36] <DanaG> I can't even alt-click.
[08:36] <Assid> restart the box
[08:36] <DanaG> Just ctrl-alt-backspace would do it.
[08:37] <Assid> but i thought you cant ctrl /alt
[08:37] <DanaG> Or rather, alt-sysrq-k.
[08:37] <DanaG>     state 0xc, keycode 22 (keysym 0xfed5, Terminate_Server), same_screen YES,
[08:37] <DanaG> How the heck is XEV getting my ctrl-alt-backspace?  It makes no sense!
[08:39] <hit> /home/hit/.local/share/Trash/files/
[08:39] <hit> there they are, but why there?
[08:39] <DanaG> Do take a look at that HP wallpaper.  It's pretty cool.
[08:39] <Assid> yeah i saw.. not bad
[08:40] <DanaG> I've switched from a dark blue theme back to a custom, brighter orange Aurora theme, with the Heron wallpaper.
[08:40] <DanaG> I noticed within about 30 seconds that it improved my mood considerably.
[08:41] <Assid> is emerald usable now ?
[08:41] <Assid> last time around.. emerald crashed just wayy too often
[08:42] <slytherin> Assid: define 'last time around'
[08:42] <Assid> 2-3 weeks back
[08:43] <DanaG> Is there a bug report about that broken keyboard?
[08:45] <Assid> not to my knowledge
[08:45] <Assid> but you may wanna check
[08:45] <Assid> ati card bychance?
[08:46] <DanaG> Nope, nvidia.
[08:48] <Assid> hrmm
[08:48] <Assid> trying to look for similarities
[08:48] <Assid> it happens only on my laptop.. not on my desktop
[08:49] <Assid> heck even my shift key used to be broken
[08:49] <DanaG> GeForce Go 7600 for me.
[08:50] <DanaG> It's hard to do anything in console when ctrl-c gives cccccc<break>
[08:50] <DanaG> when I press it repeatedly.
[08:50] <Assid> to enter this room.. i used to go to #ubuntu.. ask someone to type ubuntu plus 1
[08:50] <Assid> then double click it
[08:52] <naught101> Assid: you can fix that with xmodmap if you want to sacrifice another key
[08:52] <Assid> thats the point... i shouldnt have to "sacrifice" its a working keyboard
[08:52] <Assid> i got rid of compiz and whenever that happens.. i just restart now
[08:52] <Assid> mainly cause CTRL and ALT  are broken at that time
[08:55] <DanaG> Try alt-sysrq-k instead.
[08:55] <DanaG> It'll kill just Xorg.
[08:58] <naught101> not if alt is broken
[08:59] <hit> anyone knows why can't i delete non-empty folders from another partition?
[08:59] <hit> it's ntfs
[09:00] <cwillu> hit, probably need to run a chkdsk on it;  you can do it from linux, but it's strongly recommended to have windows do it if possible
[09:00] <hit> you think that helps?
[09:01] <cwillu> the ntfs driver is pretty conservative
[09:01] <hit> imo it used to work this way..
[09:01] <cwillu> hit, how are you trying to delete them?
[09:02] <hit> via nautilus at the moment
[09:02] <cwillu> try it via the terminal, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if you needed to chkdsk it
[09:02] <Assid> DanaG: shift/alt/ctrl all broken from what i remember
[09:02] <slytherin> hit: It is being discussed currently. Be patient. There will be solution soon hopefully
[09:02] <Assid> chkdsk ??!
[09:02] <mhollisjr> is compiz part of hardy? I asked this earlier, but I've been trying to track it down and can't find it anywhere
[09:02] <hit> slytherin, ok
[09:02] <Assid> hit: conservative?
[09:03] <naught101> anyone know if there's a repo for hardy with skype in it?
[09:03] <cwillu> the disk structures can get into a state where deleting something needs a new table to be allocated (or something along those lines), and that code doesn't get exercised enough that the devs feel warm and fuzzy about using it in the wild without strong warnings
[09:03] <Assid> naught101: download the debs and use it
[09:03] <DanaG> The keys still sorta' work:
[09:03] <slytherin> naught101: Skype guys should know better
[09:03] <DanaG> ctrl-a multiple times while holding ctrl, will give a-a-a-<select all>
[09:04] <naught101> Assid: sure, but then I'll for get to update it :)
[09:04] <naught101> slytherin: what?
[09:04] <DanaG> Alt-enter in Firefox works to open in new tab, but alt-grab to move a window does not.
[09:04] <Assid> naught101: get the new beta one tho.. it has video support
[09:04] <naught101> noice
[09:04] <hit> rm -r is fine btw
[09:04] <slytherin> naught101: They have their own repository for packages for Debian/Ubuntu
[09:05] <cwillu> DanaG, alt-grab might be off by default in compiz I think (eeepc setup requires some changes for that reason in order to reach the entire install dialog)
[09:05] <naught101> oh really? I was using medibuntu
[09:05] <DanaG> Skype + pulseaudio == ouch.
[09:05] <cwillu> hit, sudo, or just plain?
[09:05] <Assid> i have no idea what pulseaudio does
[09:05] <hit> cwillu, plain was enough
[09:05] <DanaG> Google it.  It's most useful for multiple audio devices, or networked audio playback.
[09:05] <cwillu> Assid, it causes pain, but it's inevitable pain
[09:05] <cwillu> and temporary
[09:05] <hit> looks like a nautilus problem?
[09:06] <DanaG> Alt-grab works until the bug happens.
[09:06] <DanaG> Same with key repeat, and everything else.
[09:06] <cwillu> hit, dunno;  might be a gvfs issue
[09:06] <cwillu> hit, check launchpad
[09:06] <DanaG> Time to go to bed.
[09:06] <hit> cwillu, ok
[09:06] <Assid> hit: you didnt mention what your problem is? recursive deletion not working?
[09:07] <hit> Assid: yes, via nautilus
[09:07] <Assid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/186441
[09:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186441 in nautilus "[Hardy] Recursive directory deletion doesnt work for external mounted drives" [Low,Incomplete]
[09:07] <Assid> external drive right ?
[09:08] <hit> no, just another hdd
[09:08] <Assid> hrmm i should tr that
[09:08] <Assid> wait
[09:09] <Assid> yeah
[09:09] <Assid> seems to be for all ntfs mounts
[09:09] <Assid> update that bug report
[09:09] <hit> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12117901/out.ogg exactly same thing
[09:09] <Assid> i know
[09:09] <Assid> thats my bug report
[09:10] <slytherin> Assid: hit: Marking that bug as duplicate of 186569 because it is an ntfs-3g issue.
[09:10] <slytherin> Assid: hit: and independent of whether the disk is external or enternal
[09:10] <slytherin> bug 186569
[09:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186569 in ntfs-3g "cannot delete files off of an Fuse mounted NTFS partition in nautilus" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186569
[09:10] <Assid> yeay.. i found a bug BEFORE the duplicate
[09:11] <Assid> bug 192994
[09:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192994 in xorg "X doesnt shut down. Requires CTRL ALT BACKSPACE to kill it so it can shut down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192994
[09:11] <Assid> now i wish i can get this to work right
[09:11] <hit> ok, a known bug then..
[09:12] <Assid> hit:  yeah wait it out
[09:13] <hit> but when i delete something, shouldn't that go to ~/.Trash?
[09:13] <njol> it go everythere, for backup
[09:13] <hit> instead of ~./.local/share/Trash
[09:14] <njol> j/k
[09:18] <Assid> slytherin: err..its NOT ntfs-3g issue
[09:18] <Assid> konqueror deletes it fine
[09:19] <slytherin> Assid: It is ntfs-3g issue which eventually breaks gvfs. And nautilus uses gvfs now.
[09:20] <Assid> oh.. then ok
[09:20] <Assid> was just doing some testing and saw konqueror to work..
[09:21] <Assid> cool.. more updates..
[09:21] <Assid> anyone know if its "safe" to update
[09:22] <nekostar> is there a way to do a toram switch on booting?
[09:22] <nekostar> like there is with livecd's?
[09:22] <cwillu> toram?
[09:22] <nekostar> to ram option
[09:22] <nekostar> loads everything in root to ram
[09:23] <slytherin> Assid: You are already using an alpha release. Was that safe to you? :-P
[09:23] <nekostar> final stages on new build, wanting to go 8GB
[09:23] <Assid> nekostar: ?
[09:23] <naught101> how would I tell what preferences directory thunderbird is using? I have 2.0 installed, but it appears to be using my .mozilla-thunderbird directory...
[09:23] <nekostar> but with the state of software doesnt seem to make a difference unless i can use say 4GB of it as a ramdisk and load everything to ram
[09:24] <Assid> slytherin: hehe.. true ..but didnt want a repeat of the python-apt episode
[09:24] <slytherin> naught101: so which directory do you expect it to use?
[09:24] <nekostar> and the only option for that ive seen that works is to do a 'frugal' type install of cd iso to disk and modified boot like from livecd then load it all
[09:24] <nekostar> but i would rather do a 'toram' type boot from disk
[09:24] <nekostar> neh?
[09:24] <naught101> slytherin: .thunderbird, which also exists
[09:24] <slytherin> Assid: Why not wait till alpha5 is declared as released
[09:25] <nekostar> basically might have to do an install then create a custom livecd iso to boot from
[09:25] <slytherin> naught101: Check mozilla wiki. You will get correct answer there.
[09:25] <Assid> true.. will wait
[09:25] <naught101> good answer.
[09:26] <Assid> i still say something is wrong with compiz
[09:26] <naught101> arrgh. fuck gnome.
[09:26] <Assid> i know that cause if ALT TAB window switcher isnt in the center of the screen. means something is broken
[09:26] <naught101> firefox looks aweful in kubuntu hardy
[09:27] <naught101> everything is the wrong size
[09:27] <njol> what effects manager is used in kde? not compiz right?
[09:27] <Assid> njol: you can use compiz in kde
[09:27] <naught101> no, kwin
[09:27] <Assid> kde uses kwin
[09:27] <naught101> but not by default
[09:27] <njol> is it similiar? or cooler
[09:28] <Assid> well kde4 loooks sweet
[09:28] <nekostar> kde4 looks nice but is very very broken
[09:28] <nekostar> lol
[09:28] <nekostar> i cant wait till it stableizes a bit
[09:28] <nekostar> i'm gonna switch to it for a while from gnome ^^
[09:29] <Assid> yeah
[09:29] <Assid> might even avoid compiz if kde4 stops breaking
[09:29] <Assid> but compiz is pretty sweet
[09:30] <Assid> restarted compiz
[09:30] <Assid> im telling you it has some bug
[09:32] <njol> compiz is slow for me, not performance but animation takes too much time
[09:32] <Assid> ~1sec?
[09:32] <njol> less
[09:32] <Assid> thunderbird takes a little longer
[09:33] <Assid> so whats worng with 1 sec
[09:33] <naught101> is kde4 buggy to the point of being painful, or just a bit annoying?
[09:33] <Assid> naught101: try it :P
[09:33] <naught101> I am
[09:33] <naught101> I mean, it's downloading now
[09:33] <Assid> not like your installng windows and you have to reformat if you dont like it
[09:34] <njol> mmm any simple way to install kde4 in hardy?
[09:34] <cwillu> !package kde4
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package kde4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <cwillu> !kde4
[09:34] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[09:35] <Assid> err yea
[09:35] <Assid> wait
[09:35] <njol> ok thanks ill try that
[09:36] <njol> sudo apt-get install kde4-core? i hope nothing will break
[09:37] <Assid> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[09:37] <njol> it says kde4-core in 1st url
[09:37] <njol> maybe this is alias
[09:38] <Assid> err i hope you didnt add that to the sources.list
[09:38] <Assid> thats only for gutsy
[09:38] <Assid> hardy has its own kde4 respotories
[09:38] <njol> no i didnt add
[09:38] <Assid> ok
[09:38] <Assid> then yeah go ahead with kde4-core
[09:43] <Assid> wow.. hardy wont have beta
[09:43] <Assid> only alphas
[09:43] <njol> why
[09:43] <Assid> would be known as alpha6
[09:43] <Assid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[09:44] <njol> march 20th
[09:44] <Assid> right but see the notes.. still known as alpha6
[09:48]  * heret1c arrives in a shower of rose petals
[09:50] <heret1c> ubotu dma ide
[09:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dma ide - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:50] <heret1c> ubotu dma
[09:50] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hardware transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[09:50] <Assid> i thought it  broke heret1c now what you trying
[09:51]  * heret1c sneers at ub0tu, "u don'r say..."
[09:51] <heret1c> ubotu dma ide BUG
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dma ide bug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <heret1c> assid> amassing incriminating evidence.
[09:52] <heret1c> is it possible to cretae a "peristent home" on a usb stick in/from hardy?
[09:54] <Assid> persistent home ?
[09:54] <heret1c> assid> if I'm lucky, I may het a new hd today. Unless that ide/dma bug is fixed, I'll install dapper.
[09:54] <Assid> you mean have your /home mount from a usb stick
[09:54]  * heret1c nods
[09:55] <Assid> it JUST might work.. problem is usb drivers MUST load PRIOR to fstab being loaded
[09:55] <naught101> heret1c: persistent even when you remove it?
[09:55]  * heret1c mutters "or, living up to my nick - go for vanilla debian."
[09:55] <Assid> debian aint bad
[09:55] <Assid> i use it for my servers
[09:56] <heret1c> naught> contradiction. persistent, as in "it's accessible as long as it's there".
[09:57] <cwillu> heret1c, I'm still baffled that any recent ubuntu doesn't already have dma working under the scsi generic ide driver
[09:57] <heret1c> assid> does it have the same hd-murdering ide-is-seen-as-scsi bug?
[09:57] <heret1c> xwillu> hi there. ta 4 ur help yesterday. :-)
[09:58] <heret1c> c
[09:58] <cwillu> what a time for the drive to die, eh?
[09:58] <cwillu> np though
[09:59] <heret1c> cwillu> I did a speed twsting on it - hdparm -Tt &dev/hsa yieleded an astonishing 3MB/s. 8)
[09:59] <cwillu> sd or hd?
[10:00] <Assid> heret1c: i got a few old servers running debian on ide drives
[10:00] <Assid> dont know if dma is on or what
[10:00] <Assid> hsa ?!!?
[10:00] <heret1c> hd. found a hack to change it.
[10:00] <njol> isnt ide drives supposed to die fast on server load?
[10:01] <heret1c> hda.
[10:01] <Oli``> ROFL @ Intrepid Ibex. Is it April 1st already?
[10:01] <heret1c> typo.
[10:01] <Assid> hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
[10:01] <Assid>  
[10:01] <Assid> /dev/sda:
[10:01] <Assid>  Timing cached reads:   10256 MB in  2.00 seconds = 5132.86 MB/sec
[10:01] <Assid>  Timing buffered disk reads:  188 MB in  3.01 seconds =  62.46 MB/sec
[10:01] <heret1c> golly.
[10:02] <Assid> is that bad ?
[10:02] <heret1c> sh*t off a shovel, eh? 8)
[10:02] <Assid> huh?
[10:03] <heret1c> rather fastish in my book. :)
[10:03] <Assid> oh .. hrmm :D
[10:04] <Assid> i thought these are capable of doing more
[10:04] <heret1c> assid> where r u?
[10:04] <Assid> india
[10:04] <heret1c>  <- oh-so-slow, no-way
[10:04] <njol> i wonder if NCQ is just marketing or not, cuz it makes no difference, i mean if i try to do something while copying file, its the end
[10:05] <Assid> one thing i do like about it is it does like 40+mb/sec when copying from drives
[10:06]  * heret1c wonders whay bluetooth and cups satrts at boot, with no bt hw or printer present
[10:06] <njol> /dev/sda:  Timing cached reads:   3004 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1502.49 MB/sec
[10:06] <Assid> although ntfs-3g is relatively slow
[10:06] <njol>  Timing buffered disk reads:  228 MB in  3.01 seconds =  75.71 MB/sec
[10:06] <Assid> njol: laptop?!
[10:06] <njol> no
[10:07]  * Assid checks one of his other boxes
[10:07] <njol> are you on laptop getting 62 mb?
[10:07] <Assid> nope
[10:07] <Assid> desktop
[10:07] <Raspberry>  Timing cached reads:   5150 MB in  2.00 seconds = 2580.01 MB/sec
[10:07] <Raspberry>  Timing buffered disk reads:  124 MB in  3.00 seconds =  41.32 MB/sec
[10:08] <Raspberry> 5400rpm 2.5" hdd in a Thinkpad
[10:09] <Assid> Timing cached reads:   5658 MB in  2.00 seconds = 2830.37 MB/sec
[10:09] <Assid>  Timing buffered disk reads:  182 MB in  3.02 seconds =  60.26 MB/sec
[10:09] <Assid> thats my server
[10:09] <Assid> i do have alot of io atm
[10:10]  * heret1c ponders what hd to get as replacement. samsung, seagaye? low budget. :(
[10:10] <Assid> western digital
[10:10] <Raspberry> seagate
[10:10] <Raspberry> the samsungs are junk
[10:10] <Raspberry> I do consulting
[10:11] <Assid> seagate or wd is my recommendation
[10:11] <Raspberry> and the drive we replace the most is WD then Samsung
[10:11] <Assid> wd seem better
[10:11] <Assid> Raspberry:  really?!?
[10:11] <Raspberry> yeah
[10:11] <Raspberry> heret1c: laptop or desktop?
[10:11] <Raspberry> must be desktop
[10:12] <Raspberry> WD has gotten much better
[10:12] <slytherin> Oli``: Why what is wrong?
[10:12] <Raspberry> definitely don't buy maxtor
[10:12] <slytherin> damn, wrong window again
[10:12] <Assid> ata5.00: ATA-7: WDC WD3200AAJS-22RYA0, 12.01B01, max UDMA/133
[10:12] <Assid> I forgot how to check the /proc for my sda drives
[10:13] <Raspberry> I have 2 WD Raptor 10000rpm SATA drives in my workstation and they are nice :) running almost 24/7 for 2-3 years now
[10:13] <heret1c> Seagate Momentus 5400.3 60GB 5400RPM, IDE ATA/100
[10:14] <slytherin> Assid: What do you want to check exactly?
[10:14] <Oli``> slytherin: it's just a bit of a funny name. we've got badgers, drakes and herons here, with gibbons on TV all the time... but ibex? Meh... I guess "I" was always going to be a hard one
[10:14] <Kanniball> hi!
[10:14] <Raspberry> where do I pull that drive ifno?
[10:14] <Raspberry> info
[10:15] <heret1c> intrepid iguana?
[10:15] <slytherin> Oli``: Check wikipedia entry for ibex and read announcement again. :-)
[10:15] <slytherin> Raspberry: what kind of info?
[10:15] <Raspberry> hdd info
[10:15] <Assid> err got hdparm to do it
[10:15] <Assid> hdparm -I
[10:15] <cwillu> I wish it were so simple, that I were a deer, and that you were a buffalo, or an ibex...
[10:16] <Kanniball> I've upgraded from gutsy to hardy, in order to get my Broadcom 4311 rev 2, but I'm still without luck. One problem I found is the wireless witch don't work, even with rkfill and rkkill-input modules loaded.
[10:16] <slytherin> Raspberry: But what kind of info? Name? size?
[10:16] <cwillu> Kanniball, not doing anything with ndis are you?
[10:16] <Raspberry> slytherin: yes
[10:16] <Kanniball> cwillu: nope,
[10:17] <Assid> anyone managhed to get trendnet  TEW-424UB  usb wifi stick to work with wpa-psk
[10:17] <Oli``> Assid: I've had the opposite experience of Raspberry. Our WD drives just keep going while the seagates and maxtors (now seagate) die off relatively fast. But I'm sure you could find somebody for each brand to say that brand is the worst/best.
[10:17] <slytherin> Check if your chipset is supported - http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[10:17] <cwillu> Kanniball, http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[10:17] <cwillu> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-old specifically
[10:18] <slytherin> Raspberry: If you have gnome installed try system monitor from System -> Administration
[10:18] <Raspberry> my panels have stopped responding :P
[10:18] <Raspberry> unresponsive to clicks
[10:18] <slytherin> Raspberry: Alt + F2 and then gnome-system-monitor
[10:19] <Assid> Raspberry: restartx
[10:19] <Raspberry> :P
[10:19] <Raspberry> I'm in the middle of some development
[10:19] <slytherin> Kanniball: You will need to extract firmware. The 'Hardware Drivers' program should help you.
[10:19] <Kanniball> cwillu: but I don't get any messages on dmesg, when I load the module. and the module is not automatically loaded
[10:19] <Raspberry> I clicked on the date/time to see the calendar and that locked up the top and bottom panels
[10:19] <slytherin> Kanniball: System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers
[10:19] <cwillu> Kanniball, did you ever do anything with /etc/modules or the blacklists?
[10:20] <Kanniball> slytherin: ok, I will try it.. KDE here ;)
[10:20] <slytherin> Raspberry: When was the last time you updated your distribution?
[10:20] <Raspberry> Sound and Brightness panel applets still work
[10:20] <Kanniball> cwillu: no, but I'll double check
[10:20] <Raspberry> slytherin: yesterday afternoon -- I looked for updates two hours ago and there were none
[10:21] <cwillu> Kanniball, might actually have to do what slytherin mentioned first;  it didn't work on my end, but it might have gotten some things set up so that the link I gave you worked after it was done
[10:21] <Raspberry> all of the applets seem to work, but I can't click on open apps on the bottom tray ... or launchers on the top or the menus on the top
[10:21] <slytherin> Raspberry: Because I had encountered the freezing problem long time ago. at least a week back
[10:21] <Raspberry> slytherin: yeah -- I hadn't seen this problem yet, until now
[10:21] <Kanniball> cwillu: ok, I will try it!
[10:21] <slytherin> Raspberry: which mirror are you using?
[10:21] <Raspberry> us mirror I would assume
[10:21] <slytherin> Raspberry: give me exact url from /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:22] <Raspberry> yeah apt says us.
[10:22] <Raspberry> us.archive.ubuntu.com
[10:22] <Wander_w> Hello
[10:22] <slytherin> Raspberry: remove 'us.' from url, save file do apt-get update and let me know how many upgrades you see
[10:22] <Wander_w> Is Alpha5 still out due today?
[10:23] <slytherin> Wander_w: It will be out sometime today
[10:23] <Wander_w> great!
[10:23] <Wander_w> how will I know when its out?
[10:23] <njol> i'll call you by phone
[10:23] <njol> j/k
[10:24] <Wander_w> But... how do you know my number?
[10:24] <njol> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[10:24] <njol> you will find it here
[10:24] <Raspberry> slytherin: 31 updates
[10:24] <Wander_w> Hmm.. so it looks like my F5 key will see some action today
[10:25] <uniscript> anyone successfully using debmirror on hardy?
[10:25] <heret1c> is ide forwards compatible with eide (controller)?
[10:25] <uniscript> as in on gutsy to pull hardy that is
[10:25] <Raspberry> slytherin: are US "citizens" being treated as second class in terms of updates ;)
[10:26] <njol> all mirrors lag
[10:26] <slytherin> Raspberry: No, that mirror is known to have problem form time to time
[10:26] <Raspberry> must be the terrorists
[10:26] <heret1c> pennsylvania avenue 1600?
[10:27] <Raspberry> *shrug*
[10:28] <Raspberry> I'm going to reboot
[10:28] <Raspberry> I've been listening to "new" radio ... these new songs have really crappy lyrics
[10:29]  * heret1c slaps forehead - "oh, sorry, that's ft m3ad3..." 8)
[10:35] <heret1c> assid> Western Digital, 3,5" IDE, 160GB, 7200 rpm, 8 MB cache - any good?
[10:36] <Wander_w> 160GB? that's tiny
[10:36] <mhollisjr> how do you diagnose a segfault?
[10:37] <heret1c> the dead one's 40.
[10:38] <slytherin> mhollisjr: which application?
[10:38] <slytherin> is anybody here using FM tuner with Rhythmbox?
[10:38] <mhollisjr> slytherin: wine
[10:38] <slytherin> mhollisjr: No idea. :-)
[10:39] <mhollisjr> ok if it was another application then how would I diagnose it? I don't really know where ot begin looking
[10:39] <cwillu> mhollisjr, you too, eh?
[10:39] <njol> mhollisjr: catchsegv wine
[10:39] <mhollisjr> thank you njol
[10:40] <njol> actually we all have segfault with latest wine
[10:40] <slytherin> mhollisjr: for some applications there are packages ending in -dbg which contain Debug symbols. You install them and do 'gdb application' from command line
[10:40] <mhollisjr> ahh ok it's not just me then? what's the last working one?
[10:40] <njol> 54
[10:40] <njol> it seems
[10:41] <cwillu> mhollisjr, broke for me at least a couple days ago
[10:41] <mhollisjr> alright thanks I'll see about finding a package for it
[10:42] <slytherin> Raspberry: Do you still get the panel problem?
[10:50] <mhollisjr> um dumb question time, is there an archive of old packages somewhere so I can roll back to wine 0.9.54?
[10:50] <mhollisjr> I can't seem to find one myself, there's always source, but I'm always worried about that messing with packages
[11:02] <njol> i dont see what is so special about kde4
[11:03] <Wander_w> njol: it does compositing?
[11:03] <Wander_w> without compiz that is
[11:04] <Unksi> njol: 4.0 is still kinda unfinished imo, i'd wait for 4.1 or 4.2
[11:04] <Unksi> those should probably rock :)
[11:04] <njol> i dont think it will add features, just bugfixes
[11:05] <njol> i cant see how special effects are working, probably restart required
[11:07] <Wander_w> yeah, KDE4 is pretty much useless right now, IMNSHO
[11:10] <Raspberry> slytherin: the panel is working now, but it always work when I start my Gnome Session
[11:12] <njol> at least week start from monday in KDE lol
[11:13] <njol> don't know about this UTC thingy, which is so broken in gnome
[11:24] <nekostar> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-296892.html
[11:24] <nekostar> bingo: HOWTO: Mount / in RAM and load apps instantly
[11:27] <njol> nekostar: i'll wait for new memory from intel, it started shipping already, promises to  replace both RAM and HDD
[11:28] <nekostar> mm
[11:28] <nekostar> got link?
[11:28] <nekostar> and how much
[11:28] <nekostar> your talking about that second gen nand kinda stuff?
[11:28] <nekostar> supposed to be way faster than flash and writes in the 100 millions?
[11:28] <njol> no its non nand
[11:28] <nekostar> link!
[11:28] <njol> its ferro magnetic PRAM or FRAM or something
[11:29] <njol> wait a sec
[11:29] <Wander_w> I won't hold my breath untill stuff like that hits the market
[11:29] <Wander_w> gonna be pricey as well
[11:31] <njol> well this is some info http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1423.html some old info
[11:32] <njol> oh its phase change, not ferro magnetic, feroo-m is another prototype
[11:32] <njol> btw "shipping" for manufacturers now, not for end users
[11:34] <Assid> err
[11:34] <Assid> when i lock my screen
[11:35] <Assid> it says assid <password> USA
[11:35] <Assid> why the USA at the end
[11:35] <njol> usa trying to take over world
[11:35] <njol> !
[11:35] <Assid> seriously tho whats that at the end for
[11:37] <njol> omg konqueror crashed for a 2nd time, kde 4 it is
[11:37] <boxemall> Hi there. Got a Problem. After Hardy-Install no X. tryed "startx" which gives me an error. xorg.conf is almost empty nothing under section monitor and screen. how do i reconfigure?
[11:38] <njol> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xorg-server, not sure about "xorg-server"
[11:39] <compwiz18> I think it might be xorg-xserver
[11:40] <njol> xserver-xorg it is
[11:40] <compwiz18> I always get it backwards :)
[11:40] <boxemall> so it is "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" then?
[11:40] <compwiz18> try one, try the other
[11:41] <compwiz18> it's either xserver-xorg or xorg-xserver
[11:41] <scizzo-> boxemall: isnt that documented in the xorg.conf file in the top?
[11:41] <boxemall> what does this "-phigh" mean?
[11:41] <compwiz18> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[11:41] <compwiz18> # again, run the following command:
[11:41] <compwiz18> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[11:41] <njol> boxemall: xorg.conf is empty cuz it have new format
[11:42] <boxemall> ahh so after a clean nardy install xorg.conf is always empty?
[11:42] <njol> so it is ok
[11:42] <boxemall> kewl gonna try that. if not i'll be coming after you ;-) thnx for helpin out.
[11:43] <scizzo-> boxemall: did you check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file?
[11:43] <boxemall> no did not yet. should i?
[11:43] <njol> right this is what i wanted to ask
[11:43] <scizzo-> boxemall: since that is where errors occur if you have problems with starting X
[11:44] <boxemall> at the end it says "Fatal server error:
[11:44] <boxemall> xf86OpenConsole: VT_WAITACTIVE failed: Interrupted system call
[11:44] <boxemall> " nothing else.
[11:45] <njol> and before that?
[11:45] <boxemall> well how doas this pastebin stuff work? should do that before flooding chan,...
[11:45] <njol> !paste
[11:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:46] <boxemall> try that one. hope it works. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56833/
[11:46] <boxemall> does it?
[11:47] <boxemall> this is how my xorg.conf is looking: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56834/
[11:48] <boxemall> as i said, this is a clean install. nothing changed yet.
[11:48] <njol> see this http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2443
[11:49] <njol> !bug VT_WAITACTIVE
[11:49] <boxemall> do not have this ".X0-lock" file
[11:50] <boxemall> is it hidden?
[11:50] <boxemall> if so how di i unhide it?
[11:50] <njol> enable hidden files in file manager
[11:51] <boxemall> u are funny,... didn't i just say i have no x running? well how do i enable nautilus hidden file feature when i cannot even access it!? ;-)
[11:52] <njol> well maybe you at another PC now
[11:52] <njol> who knows
[11:52] <njol> sorry
[11:52] <njol> btw it says you maybe have X running already, i dont know, try alt+ctrl+f7?
[11:52] <boxemall> i am but i am accessing my ext3 partition with windows. i have ext3 support on this machine. i can even edit files. it is the only os which works on this comp.
[11:53] <njol> i see
[11:53] <njol> well it maybe another bug
[11:54] <boxemall> no wait i have to test this reconfigure thing first did not do that yet. i will be back in a few mins. c u
[12:06] <njol> am i really said something "funny"?
[12:07] <njol> whats problem with enabling hidden files or running livecd for recovery?
[12:14] <njol> well ok
[12:23] <Raspberry> hmm... since the latest  updates I can get the gnome panel to lock up consistantly
[12:44] <Wobbo> What's the ETA Alpha 5?
[12:46]  * Dr_willis waits for the chorus of 'when its done'  replies.
[12:49] <hit> today
[12:49] <hit> or perhaps tomorrow
[13:00] <IdleOne> anybody  know if there are any plans to get the SIS191 Gigabit ethernet controller supported?
[13:23] <shinobi2> i think i found a bug
[13:23] <shinobi2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-control-center/+bug/71620/+viewstatus
[13:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 71620 in control-center "System > Quit does not respond to assigned keyboard shortcut/hotkey" [Low,Confirmed]
[13:24] <shinobi2> can someone try Ctrl+Alt+Delete keyboard shortcut to the 'Log Out' w
[13:32] <Sebastian> I have several keyboard shortcuts that stopped working (home folder and web browser, for instance).
[13:33] <shinobi2> but control-alt-L works for lock screen
[13:38] <mrsno> ctrl+alt+l works here, ctrl+l too but not ctrl+alt+delete
[14:09] <ConstyXIV> is wubi officially part of ubuntu now?
[14:16] <CarlFK> can I install linux 2.6.22 on hardy?
[14:17] <CarlFK> some USB thin seems to be slow on my hardy box.  pretty sure it is a kernel thing, want to test that
[14:36] <Unksi> how is it possible to enable the thumb buttons for logitech mouse?
[14:38] <Unksi> or wait, xorg conf isnt empty anymore :P
[14:43] <fatal-> is hardy how stable already? there seems to be an nfs lock daemon problem with the gutsy kernel..
[14:46] <ConstyXIV> trying to install hardy from a usb stick, it just hard locks while the loading bar is bouncing around
[15:23] <capiira_> hi all, how does hardy run , its kinda usable? actually i'm on debian(sid) is hardy worse? :D
[15:24] <sTiVo> looking for help on temporarily adding hard drive to Ubuntu system which was previously part of another system.  Is this good place to get such help?
[15:25] <capiira_> then better ask in #ubuntu
[15:25] <sTiVo> tried that, no luck
[15:25] <capiira_> what are you trying ?
[15:25] <sTiVo> in brief:
[15:26] <Pici> sTiVo: Are you running Hardy? If not then you need to ask in #ubuntu
[15:26] <sTiVo> Sorry, not running Hardy.  could not get help in #ubuntu
[15:26] <sTiVo> More of a generic linux question, really.  Any good chatrooms for that?
[15:26] <Wander_w> #linux
[15:26] <capiira_> #linux
[15:27] <sTiVo> thanks
[15:27] <Pici> ##linux
[15:27] <Wander_w> and #linux
[15:27] <capiira_> :)
[15:28] <capiira_> so is ubuntu+1 worse than sid?
[15:28] <Wander_w> capiira_: depends on your definition of worse
[15:33] <capiira_> worse like kill the whole system
[15:34] <capiira_> so that you need to reinstall
[15:36] <capiira_> but i think it can't be that bad so close before being released
[15:41] <Wander_w> capiira_: well, Hardy is available as an live-cd, so you would be quite safe to try out
[15:41] <nDuff> initrd ordering in hardy is broken when using lvm+dmraid -- lvm is in init-premount, while dmraid is in local-top; consequently, LVM tries to come up before dmraid devices are available, and uses the individual disks as PVs rather than the array device  (when in a raid1). There are a few other things that need to be done before dmraid+lvm will work, but the rest are fairly minor patches to the initramfs lvm2 script and some modifications
[15:41] <nDuff>  to the default /etc/lvm/lvm.conf; if I put a patch together today, is there a reasonable chance of getting this in this release?
[15:41] <Assid> brb
[15:41] <capiira_> good idea Wander_w
[15:41] <capiira_> and if i decide to stay it is possible to let it rolling upgrades till it becomes final ?
[15:42] <Wander_w> capiira_: You unfortunately can't use updates on the live-cd, but if you install it, then yes you will be able to update all the way to final
[15:43] <capiira_> ah nice
[15:43] <capiira_> thank you
[15:43] <Wander_w> there is a new Alpha live cd out due TODAY
[15:43] <capiira_> oh
[15:43] <Wander_w> so I'd wait for that if I were you
[15:43] <capiira_> yeah
[15:43] <capiira_> :D
[15:44] <capiira_> thanks for the tip
[15:44] <Wander_w> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[15:44] <Wander_w> (still apha-4)
[15:44] <Wander_w> (alpha-5 is what you want)
[15:45] <capiira_> ahh nice then ill wait
[15:45] <Wander_w> good, don't wear out your F5 key (I nearly have :P )
[15:45] <Pici> !refresh
[15:45] <ubotu> Remember that every time you hit refresh, Canonical is wasting money, bandwidth, and CPU time serving your request instead of doing useful things like uploading the image or paying for ShipIt disks.  Please do so sparingly.
[15:45] <Pici> ubotu: thanks
[15:46] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[15:46] <capiira_> lol
[15:46] <Wander_w> okok, so its maybe once every hour, for a page of 281 bytes
[15:47] <Wander_w> I'll promise I'll upload more than that with the torrent
[15:47] <capiira_> heeh :D
[15:49] <manchicken> Anybody know if there's a PPA or repo with awn-extras in it?
[15:57] <WelshDragon> Does mv log what it does anywhere?
[15:57] <Pici> No.
[15:58] <WelshDragon> Oh damn, ah well...Just used it to move 15 gig of music...The folder where i copied it to is empty and the source has gone XD
[16:00] <heret1c> ''lo
[16:04] <Wander_w> lol
[16:04] <Wander_w> try du | sort -n and look for directories that are 15+G
[16:05] <WelshDragon> i have
[16:05] <WelshDragon> nout
[16:05] <Wander_w> and?
[16:05] <WelshDragon> its completly gone
[16:05] <WelshDragon> I got a backup on another drive
[16:05] <Wander_w> I hope you have backups
[16:05] <WelshDragon> so im not that bothered
[16:05] <Wander_w> oh great!
[16:05] <WelshDragon> It's just a bit funny that it's happened
[16:06] <Wander_w> PEBKAC
[16:06] <WelshDragon> pebkac?
[16:06] <Wander_w> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEBKAC
[16:06] <Pici> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
[16:06] <Wander_w> :P
[16:06] <WelshDragon> :o
[16:07] <WelshDragon> cant believe you even suggest that
[16:07] <WelshDragon> however i did once click on delete partition instead of resize and lost 750GB of data =\
[16:07] <Wander_w> You're right, the bush administration did it!
[16:09] <heret1c> "Either you're with us, or you're with the tourrists."
[16:10] <heret1c> dafy. newly installed sw still don't allways show up in the K menu.
[16:10] <heret1c>    t
[16:28]  * nDuff posts a list of what needs fixin' to make dmraid+lvm work as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/129285/comments/13
[16:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129285 in dmraid "dmraid and LVM are incompatible" [Low,Triaged]
[16:30] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week is going on, join #ubuntu-classroom
[16:30] <nDuff> ...does psusi hang around in IRC? If so, what's his handle?
[16:34] <heret1c> nduff> according to the roaring silence - apparently not.
[16:34] <heret1c>  /whowes
[16:34] <heret1c>  /whowas
[16:35] <nDuff> heret1c, yes, I tried that, and came up empty... hence, asking if he used a different handle.
[16:35] <nDuff> /btw, it's possible to start a line in IRC with a slash, by quoting it with a second forward slash.
[16:36] <heret1c> /
[16:36] <henkjan> '//
[16:36] <Wasserstoff> or using a space before it
[16:37] <Wasserstoff> or a ctrl+enter works in some clients
[16:37] <Pici> in irssi you can do:/ /
[16:42] <heret1c> assid> erp.
[16:43] <heret1c> !timeout!
[16:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timeout! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:44] <heret1c> 'lo dana.
[16:54] <heret1c> !alpha 5
[16:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alpha 5 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:55] <Assid> wtf
[16:55] <Assid> pidgin just starts up on its own
[16:55] <Assid> i didnt do squat
[16:55] <WelshDragon> My pidgin likes to use 200% CPU when i force reload alsa :s
[16:55] <heret1c> bug or feature?
[16:56] <Assid> bug
[16:56] <Assid> ihavent used pidgin in days/weeks?!
[16:56] <Assid> it just  starts up on its own for no apparent reason
[16:56] <Assid> i prefer kopete.. mainly cause it supports video
[16:57] <heret1c> wold b a feature in windos
[16:57] <Assid> to ?
[16:57] <heret1c> bill?
[16:58] <heret1c> bill "what's a network" gates
[16:58] <nemo> centerim :)
[16:59] <nemo> I use that one 'cause it works nicely with screen so my sessions stay active home/work/on road
[16:59] <nemo> also is easily scriptable
[16:59] <Assid> heret1c: timeout? erp ?
[17:01] <heret1c> assid> s/erp/hi - timeouyr: your message on leaving.
[17:01] <Assid> oh
[17:01] <Assid> my machine crashed
[17:01] <Assid> my keyboard got messed up big time
[17:01] <heret1c> looked like smthng involuntary. 8)
[17:01] <Assid> enter key got HUNG..
[17:01] <Assid> had to cold reboot
[17:02] <heret1c> wek. new bug?
[17:04] <Assid> nah
[17:04] <Assid> i think it was cause my keyboard got hung first
[17:05] <Assid> my enter key gets stuck.. even tho i removed it.. it still showed as hung(pressed)
[17:05] <Assid> cold reboot fixed the software "buffer" from what i can imagine
[17:05] <nemo> Assid: oh. I have been having an annoying issue with hung keys too
[17:05] <heret1c> ah.
[17:05] <nemo> Assid: I have to kill the X session. nothing else helps
[17:05] <Assid> first time on my desktop tho
[17:05] <Assid> i think i should buy another keyboard
[17:06] <heret1c> assid> use kde or gnome?
[17:06] <Assid> gnome
[17:06] <nemo> Assid: for me, every time in spring I take over a unit using C, ever since I upgraded to Hardy, up arrow key sticks.
[17:06] <heret1c> ah.
[17:06] <nemo> and sometimes the caps lock
[17:06] <nemo> no clue why this is. some odd opengl/X interaction?
[17:06] <nemo> anyway, is annoyingly repeatable
[17:12] <Assid> who knows
[17:14] <ConstyXIV> is today's daily alpha 5, or is that later?
[17:45] <Assid> err
[17:45] <Assid> i cant hear any flash sounds
[17:45] <heret1c> not updated for pulse?
[17:46] <heret1c>                    'yet
[17:50] <Assid> related to flash ?!?
[17:56] <Assid> i want audio man!!!
[17:59] <Assid> heret1c: pulse related to flash audio issue?
[18:00]  * heret1c undinners
[18:00] <heret1c> assid> could very erll be, don't u think?
[18:01] <heret1c> is it possible to run alsa in parallel with pulse?
[18:02] <heret1c> or will apt-get install alsa* remove pilse?
[18:03] <heret1c> smeg
[18:03]  * heret1c swears to get better light for his kbd - asap
[18:04] <Assid> wouldnt know heret1c wouldnt know
[18:05] <heret1c> u could do a dry-run, see what synaptic sez
[18:08] <heret1c> afk for 5
[18:19] <Assid> i dunno
[18:23] <martijn81> am i the only one getting a busybox with the lastest alpha release?
[18:26] <Assid> busybox?
[18:27] <ace> i can only open gnome-system-monitor once before having to open with sudo, and thats only once as well. then i have to relogin or use top/ps aux...
[18:28] <martijn81> Assid: yup, that prompt where you can't do a thing afaik
[18:29] <Assid> so dont update yet ?
[18:30] <rbs-tito> The new hardy wallpaper is nice
[18:32] <martijn81> Assid: no i can not even boot the cd
[18:32] <Assid> wow
[18:32] <Assid> anyone gere updated already?
[18:32] <martijn81> don't ask me why... gutsy runs fine on this machine
[18:32] <Assid> hardy messes up my brightness on my laptop as well
[18:33] <Assid> apparently its a feature
[18:33] <Unksi> Assid: brightness works well here, so it works partially atleast
[18:34] <Assid> mine goes up and down like a freaking yoyo
[18:34]  * heret1c yawns
[18:34] <heret1c> siesta.
[18:35] <Assid> mke2fs -j /dev/hdb5
[18:35] <Assid> is there any other flag i need to format this drive?
[18:35] <Assid> from cli
[18:39] <martijn81> Assid: why not ext3?
[18:39] <Assid> wouldnt that be ext3 ?
[18:39] <Assid> ext3 = ext2+journalising
[18:59] <h3sp4wn_> So oss has released opensource drivers for the soundblaster xfi - be interesting to see what happens. (I prefer oss as it is for hdaudio -sounds nicer - not bothered for usb-audio) but maintaining it is a pita
[19:00] <graft> does anyone have a bug with firefox 3 and button selection obscuring the state of the button?
[19:00] <graft> like when i select a checkbox, it becomes a big white square, and i can't tell whether it's checked or unchecked until i defocus
[19:02] <graft> also my input boxes don't have borders
[19:02] <graft> which sucks
[19:04] <graft> ergh, never mind, this is just a crappy domino bug
[19:04] <Unksi> graft: i have no borders as well
[19:04] <monalisa> is bcm43xx or b43 work outa the box with hardy ?
[19:04] <Unksi> havent used checkboxes so dont know about them
[19:04] <Unksi> oh yea, i use domino as well :P
[19:04] <graft> if i switch my gtk theme to human i'm okay
[19:04] <graft> well, fine, im sick of domino being broken anyway
[19:05] <graft> it's been like 6 months
[19:06] <graft> so long, consistent look-and-feel
[19:07] <martijn81> when will alpha5 be released?
[19:08] <martijn81> ohh, i see it is delayed
[19:08] <martijn81> one day
[19:10]  * martijn81 hopes the busybox is gone then
[19:11] <martijn81> so i can install hardy
[19:11] <CarlFK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile  steps here arent working for me on hardy.  I currently have just a debian dir, no source.  is there a more up to date page, or know what needs to be adjusted?
[19:12] <CarlFK> apt-get source linux-source - maybe soource-source isn't what I wawnt.
[19:13] <CarlFK> apt-get source linux-image-generic - bet that is
[19:14] <CarlFK> rats. same thing.
[19:15] <graft> CarlFK: you want the source for 2.6.24?
[19:15] <graft> the package for that is linux-source-2.6.24
[19:15] <CarlFK> there isn't a meta package that gets the one for your current version?
[19:16] <graft> dunno
[19:16] <graft> anyway, that gets you what you want, doesn't it?
[19:16] <graft> why do you want a meta package?
[19:16] <CarlFK> so do i apt-get source inux-source-2.6.24 ?
[19:16] <CarlFK> linux
[19:16] <CarlFK> or apt-get install ...
[19:17] <graft> apt-get install
[19:19] <Raspberry> I don't know if gnome is leaking memory or what
[19:20] <Raspberry> but if you use the system for an hour or two if you click on the calendar... click somewhere else... then click through open apps, then clikc back on the calendar...the panel will lock up.
[19:20] <Raspberry> and now I've having similar behavior on the desktop
[19:21] <Raspberry> select a couple of items on the desktop, right click... choose Trash or Delete or whatever it's called... and it locks when you Move to Trash and the desktop stops drawing -- so grabbing a window and moving it around causes the objects on the desktop to disappear
[19:21] <Raspberry> not to mention the popup right-click menu is still there :)
[19:21] <Raspberry> these behaviors started with the updates from last night
[19:22] <Raspberry> yup .. .my panel and desktop are unresponsive :)
[19:22] <Raspberry> I'm installing the new gnome-applet update that came out this morning... we'll see if that fixes it
[19:23] <CarlFK> graft: so where does it install the source to?
[19:24] <graft> CarlFK: /usr/src? I don't remember
[19:25] <CarlFK> usr/src has linux-source-2.6.24.tar.bz2
[19:25] <CarlFK> surprised it didn't untar it
[19:26] <graft> it hates you
[19:26] <CarlFK> join the club
[19:27] <CarlFK> http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/7582/  I just want to do that
[19:27] <CarlFK> of find out is has been done
[19:28] <CarlFK> I have a usb device that isn't working 'right' on .24.  works ok on .22
 ohh, i see it is delayed => martijn81 please, where do you see it ?
[19:28] <CarlFK> it works on .24, just 100x slower
[19:28] <h3sp4wn_> So diff starting with the full usb dir and see if you can see what changed then get it smaller
[19:28] <CarlFK> ok, I have srouces.  how do I build? (before I hack...)
[19:29] <martijn81> Zic: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyReleaseSchedule?highlight=%28releaseschedule%29
[19:29] <Zic> ok, on the HardyReleaseSchedule webpage, thanks
[19:31] <graft> CarlFK: have you never built a kernel before?
[19:31] <graft> CarlFK: type 'make menuconfig'
[19:32] <graft> CarlFK: then, configure your kernel
[19:32] <graft> then build it
[19:32] <CarlFK> yeah, trying to do it the "make a .deb" way
[19:32] <graft> oh
[19:32] <h3sp4wn_> There is a few ways - read man make-kpkg (install kernel-package)
[19:32] <h3sp4wn_> learn to use the ubuntu kernel build system
[19:33] <CarlFK> I need to eat lunch :)
[19:33] <h3sp4wn_> (There is docs on that) or there is a target just make deb I think it is
[19:33] <CarlFK> was hoping to let the cpu spin and make sure I had everything
[19:34] <CarlFK> I have gotten pretty good with patching app packages.  figured this would be similar
[19:35] <h3sp4wn_> Its not really
[19:50] <DanaG> argh, dmesg spam:
[19:50] <DanaG> wme:wme_qdiscop_enqueue ht_queue=4,queue=2 pool=0xF qdisc=f76c3a80
[19:50] <DanaG> over and over.
[20:06] <nonnii> is there plans when ubuntu will start using real upstart jobs instead of old rc-scripts?
[20:21] <CarlFK> S.O.B.
[20:21] <CarlFK> $ modinfo usbcore  = usbfs_snoop:true to log all usbfs traffic (bool)
[20:21] <CarlFK> already in the kernel I am running
[20:25] <CarlFK> to unload a module, so I can reload it with a parameter: rmmod foo ?
[20:26] <h3sp4wn_> nonnii: Dunno should have been by feisty
[20:26] <h3sp4wn_> nonnii: upstart does seem really shoddy compared to Solaris SMF though
[20:26] <WelshDragon> !alpha 5
[20:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alpha 5 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:30] <Assid> anyone updated?
[20:31] <h3sp4wn_> Anyone know how to get rid of that popup junk whenever the mouse goes over the virtual "workspace switcher"
[20:39] <assasukasse> Hi everyone
[20:40] <assasukasse> i was wondering if there is any chance ettercap would be compiled with GTK support in hardy
[20:47] <Assid> hey anyone remember that company called finger somrthing.. apple bought  and shutdown
[20:56] <martijn81> assasukasse: what is ettercap for software?
[20:56] <assasukasse> martijn81: sorry i found there is a gtk version already
[20:56] <martijn81> k
[20:57] <Assid> err someone may want to remove proximitygroup from the quotes
[20:57] <Assid> err wrong channel
[21:14] <bdgraue> i have this error with some qt applications: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/650814  any suggestions?
[21:35] <Leftmost> I've lost decorations on current Hardy. Trying to open the Windows menu item in Preferences gives me `Window manager "unknown" has not registered a configuration tool.' I'm betting somewhere it's lost the setting that specifies metacity. Where can I set this?
[21:47] <lamalex> What is the package that takes care of disk encryption in hardy, anyone know?
[21:49] <hmuller> curious, the daily-live folder is missing on the server.  is this an issue with the server, or was there a problem with today's iso?
[21:52] <lamalex> hmuller: probably an issue with todays iso as the alpha was postponed, but I don't know for sure
[22:07] <Assid> hey
[22:07] <Assid> anyone have issues with flash
[22:07] <Assid> i cant get audio working on this
[22:07] <Assid> but my laptop (a little older updates) plays flash audio fine
[22:14] <Assid> heret1c: you there
[22:28] <Assid> anyone?
[22:28] <Assid> is launchpad messed up
[22:29] <jpatrick> Assid: ask for launchpad stuff in #launchpad :)
[22:31] <Assid> jpatrick: your hardy updated?
[22:32] <jpatrick> Assid: no, I'm not on Hardy
[22:32] <Assid> hrm k
[23:01]  * toresbe takes a deeeeeep breath and jumps to Heron.
[23:01] <Assid> good luck
[23:37] <cwillu> !eeepc
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eeepc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:41] <DanaG> Argh, dag-blasted keyboard keeps breaking.
[23:41] <DanaG> ME ANGRY!  ME SMASH XORG!
[23:43] <danielm> hi all