bdmurrayI thought it was awesome but that might just be me. ;)00:00
jcastrowow, that is /neat/00:00
bdmurrayYeah, I like that you filter using regexs too00:01
bdmurrayI added it to Bugs/ReportingToDebian00:02
bdmurrayI can't update the wiki either00:07
CarlFKwhere do I report this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/all/graphicsmagick-libmagick-dev-compat/filelist00:28
CarlFKwhich would be the same place I reprt the lack of place where it says "Please report any problems."00:28
bdmurrayCarlFK: I see an e-mail address right in the footer there00:29
CarlFKwhacky.  thanks00:31
bdmurrayno problem00:32
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macdbug #45842 in server seems to be fine, can anyone else confirm?04:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 45842 in sysvinit "nfs shares not mounted at startup" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/4584204:38
bdmurraymacd: seems fine how?05:14
macdbdmurray: as in it doesnt seem to exist now, in gutsy or feisty.05:19
bdmurraywhich it?05:19
macdsomeone mentioned 'nfs4' being missing from the mount command in mountall.sh, it exists now, and nfs shares are mounted fine at boot time05:22
bdmurraymountall.sh is only supposed to mount local filesystems and the 'no' bit in that line excludes proc *and* everything after it05:24
bdmurraySo that bit is a red herring05:24
macdThen I guess, I just can't reproduce it, on multiple systems.05:26
bdmurrayI believe they should be mounted by /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs05:27
bdmurraymacd: Are you the last commenter on that report?05:27
bdmurrayAre all your systems server installs?05:29
macdSomeone else mentions linking mountnfs within rcS.d/ , but I think it better to not try to mount remote filesystems when the network might be down05:29
macdYes, the systems I tried are all server installs05:29
bdmurrayThat'd be worth noting as network-manager isn't included in the server install and it may have affected some of the other reporters.  Additionally this bug is on the server team's list for Hardy so someone will be looking at it soon.05:31
macdThats the reason I checked it out, I saw it come up on the qa list for hardy-server, so I'll include some additional notes05:32
bdmurrayThat'd be very helpful.  Thanks!  I've got to run for now.05:32
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macdthanks :)05:35
secretlondonAh! 198 power management bugs!06:29
CarlFKI did a crash report thing, it took me to lp, found the bug, asked me if I wanted to subscribe.06:42
CarlFKif I say yes, I don't think it appends my report06:42
CarlFKis that expected ?06:42
secretlondonyes thats normal06:43
secretlondonI think it should attach IF the bug you subscribe to doesn't have the apport info06:43
CarlFKso one is enough?06:43
secretlondonI had a bug on tuesday and I had to make a new bug to get my apport info, and then mark the original bug a duplicate of mine06:44
secretlondonI don't know - we don't need millions certainly.06:44
techno_freakCarlFK, you can comment on the same bug, crash reports are also saved so you can manually attach them if you want06:46
CarlFKI think that would be better that current06:46
CarlFKbug #14772106:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147721 in displayconfig-gtk "displayconfig-gtk crashed with IndexError in _syncXorgConfig()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14772106:47
CarlFKbit of chatter - think it is needed?06:47
secretlondonthat already has one set of crash logs, 5 dupes, lot of ME TOOs06:48
CarlFKI was more thinking the crash report process needed adjustment06:48
secretlondonits got enough to be confirmed06:48
secretlondoncan you provide info that isn't already there?06:48
CarlFKto avoid the " make a new bug to get my apport info... dupe" manual steps06:48
secretlondonCarlFK yes, but actually in this case we don't need as the original bug is from apport anyway06:49
CarlFKyes = the process needs adjusting06:50
secretlondonits a bug on apport I think06:51
CarlFKI think the web site06:51
CarlFKbut not really sure how it should be handled06:52
secretlondoni think apport (as apport includes the way it interacts with launchpad)06:52
secretlondonbut it could also be on launchpad bugs06:53
CarlFKso have apport skip the "is it one of these?" step06:53
secretlondonno no, we want the minimum dupes.06:54
* secretlondon spent ages on tuesday duping python central bugs06:54
secretlondonwe want it to check when you subscribe to a bug to see if it already has apport info06:54
secretlondonif it doesn't have apport info it should add yours06:55
techno_freakthat will be good06:55
CarlFKhow about an entry point just for apport06:57
CarlFKso that it can locate one with the same title, and append to it if found06:59
secretlondoni think we use tags to identify apport attachments so that the retracing bot can finbd them06:59
CarlFKso one apport info is always enough?07:11
* secretlondon shrugs07:11
secretlondonone is` certainly better than none07:11
secretlondonand lots of the same is annoying07:11
CarlFKbut less annoying that not having enough07:12
secretlondoni'm only a triager not a developer - I can't fix things that aren't packaging or fixed upstream07:13
secretlondonso a developer may give a different answer07:13
CarlFKiv done enough development to ponder this :)07:14
techno_freakCarlFK, check the existing reports and if you can add anything more it will be useful to fix the bug. mere repeating the same is worth null07:14
secretlondonin fact useful info can get lost amongst 100 ME TOOs07:14
CarlFKwell, it is either the reporters problem to figure out if they have anything to add, or the person reading the reports problem to filter out the dups07:16
CarlFKi think if the dupes are already attached to the same bug#, it is easier to look for the useful info than trying to get reporters (users) to make a good choice07:18
CarlFKjust now, when I hit the "Is the bug you’re reporting one of these?" step I was tempted to close the browser07:19
CarlFKI really don't want to subscribe, cuz I don't want to get emails about it07:20
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secretlondonbut we always need to ask the reporter questions07:20
secretlondonif you just file and leave we'll never get anywhere07:20
CarlFKdon't want to "report a new bug" cuz that would annoy the people reading them07:21
CarlFKi guess 'new' would get me email too07:22
CarlFKnuff about this now. I'll examine it next time something crashes07:24
secretlondonok :)07:24
CarlFKon the box that crashed: load average: 0.32, 0.11, 0.0607:25
secretlondonI think I am going to file something about the lack of apport info added to bugs that don't have - as it annoyed me ;)07:25
CarlFKI do think there is a problem.  just not sure what to do about it07:25
CarlFKload - why would it be that high on an idle box?07:26
secretlondongood question07:26
CarlFKoh yeah...07:26
CarlFKmaybe not.  it went to .01, now is back up to .15 and climbing07:28
CarlFK.20, falling07:28
CarlFKwow, closing firefox, 0.5507:30
secretlondonfirefox is lardy..07:30
CarlFK.06 it seems to be oscillating every 5 min07:33
CarlFKaverage: 0.04, 0.15, 0.0907:34
CarlFKclose FF is the only thing I have done since  (12:42:18 AM) CarlFK: I did a crash report thing,07:34
CarlFKaverage: 0.01,  it's possessed07:35
secretlondon12.42 est? mst?07:37
CarlFK45 min ago07:37
secretlondonits 7.30am here07:37
CarlFKdoes the lp page have some ajaxy stuff to update the page as other people add changes?07:38
secretlondonit updates from upstream bug watches, bugs can be closed from changelogs etc07:39
CarlFKlookslike it was FF causing the load07:42
CarlFKobviously a P4 256mb is sub standard... :)07:43
secretlondonI have xubuntu on a p450 here - nice salvaged file server :)07:44
secretlondonthis is only a celeron 120007:46
* secretlondon nods07:46
secretlondondesktop slightly higher spec but laptop nicer to work on the sofa07:47
CarlFKmy laptop can almost boil water07:48
CarlFKI need to put a baking sheet on my lap07:49
secretlondonmine is just cosy07:49
CarlFKwhats the acpi thing to dump cpu temp?07:49
CarlFK"use kelvin as the temperature unit"07:50
CarlFKacpi --thermal  Thermal 1: active[0], 56.0 degrees C07:51
CarlFKnot so bad.  screen must be off07:51
secretlondon Thermal 1: ok, 64.0 degrees C here07:52
techno_freak Thermal 1: ok, 58.0 degree08:01
techno_freakand the a/c is switched off.. not bad then08:02
CarlFK2am.  i better get to sleep08:07
* secretlondon nods08:08
secretlondonthe rest of europe will wake up soon. I'm nocturnal and woke at 4am :(08:09
secretlondon8am here currently08:09
techno_freakits 1.40 pm here now08:09
secretlondonooh you're on a 0.5+ hour08:10
techno_freakyes, Bangalore to be specific08:10
* secretlondon guessed from doing a whois and seeing which channels you were on ;)08:11
techno_freakbug #189445 - the upstream bug mentioned seems to have got fixed in 2.20.1, the version in hardy is 2.21.1. so what do i mark this bug (reported for gutsy) as?08:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 189445 in gnome-power-manager "gnome-power-manager fails to show logout dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18944508:29
secretlondonfix released I think08:31
techno_freakthe bug is on gutsy, the fixed version is on hardy :s08:31
secretlondonyeah - but chances are it won';t get backported08:32
techno_freakhmm right08:32
techno_freaksecretlondon, it seems that the hardy version might not be incorporating the fix made in debian upstream. so it might not be appropriate to mark it as "fix released".08:49
techno_freakurgh, it is actually fix released, the bug got fixed in latest version :)09:40
* secretlondon has had bugs that were fixed in feisty but were still set to new and reported in dapper..09:44
secretlondonI suppose I've actually "fixed" some bugs then ;)09:47
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joachim-nhi. could someone reopen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/34283 for me please?11:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 34283 in openssh "Prompts for password via ssh-askpass multiple times even if canceled" [Low,Incomplete]11:08
techno_freakjoachim-n, done :)11:09
joachim-nthank you :)11:09
techno_freakjoachim-n, but look at why it was incomplete and give more details to help us11:10
pedro_still happening with meld and gnome cvs?11:10
pedro_oh today is Hug Day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080221 feel free to grab any bug of the list11:11
joachim-nwill do11:11
joachim-nwell, meld and gnome svn now11:11
thekornbdmurray, morning! thanks for the class-notes,11:53
thekornbdmurray, I updated them with the py-lp-b part,11:54
thekornbdmurray, and also added a short introduction on clue-files11:54
ubotuNew bug: #193905 in gnome-panel (main) "Icons on panel are out of order (dup-of: 26246)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19390511:55
thekornbdmurray, sorry for messing up the wiki-page, better have a look at the raw text :)11:55
InsClusoeseb128: Hi... I would like to assist in assigning the bugs to right package and the right team. But I went wrong a couple of times I think.11:58
seb128hey InsClusoe11:58
seb128hi Iulian11:58
InsClusoeFor example, Bug 193902..11:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 193902 in firefox-3.0 "[Hardy alpha5] Firefox launcher is broken (on the top menu)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19390211:58
pedro_hug day!11:58
seb128InsClusoe: not always easy without knowing the code11:59
* seb128 hugs pedro_11:59
* pedro_ hugs seb128 back11:59
* pedro_ hugs andre_11:59
seb128InsClusoe: gnome-menus is what build the applications menu structure using the .desktop installed11:59
* andre_ hugs pedro and seb12811:59
seb128hey andre_11:59
andre_salut seb!11:59
seb128InsClusoe: the launcher are on the panel12:00
seb128InsClusoe: and those can't be changed on upgrade since they are in the user configuration12:00
IulianHello seb128, pedro_, InsClusoe and andre_12:00
seb128InsClusoe: so firefox has to keep shipping a firefox.desktop for compatibility reasons12:01
pedro_heeey Iulian!12:01
InsClusoeseb128: ok.. I thought I should assign it to gnome-panel but then I couldn't find similar bugs tagged to it. So I put it to gnome-menus.12:01
InsClusoeIulian: Hi there...12:01
seb128InsClusoe: that's alright, as said that's not always easy, don't worry we reassign those the right place when required12:03
InsClusoeseb128: Feels good to hear that. I don't want to hinder quick movement of bugs.12:04
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InsClusoeIs there a way to perform everyday actions and check a log file to understand execution flow? Sorta like a debug mode which I can toggle.12:11
InsClusoeThat's probably a very basic question. But I do not have the answer to that.12:12
InsClusoesurely you guys do that all the time..12:14
InsClusoeIulian: Any clues?12:17
InsClusoeok.. I got some clues  from Google..12:19
seb128InsClusoe: not sure to understand the question12:24
InsClusoeInsClusoe: Say, a bug is reported that clicking on a menu item results in error. I want to be able to repeat the actions on my pc and see what it does in the background so that I can ask the right questions to bug reporter.12:25
InsClusoeseb128: Sorry.. Above msg is intended to you.. :-)12:26
InsClusoeseb128: That will also make me familiar with the packages and sources. That means I can assign it to the right team or fix it if it's bitesized. ;-)12:27
seb128InsClusoe: there is no easy way to do that no12:27
seb128the submitter needs to describe what he does12:27
seb128and you need to try on your system12:27
seb128and to know what is to blame you have to know what component are used on the desktop, etc12:28
InsClusoeseb128: ok.. Guess I was trying to go the reverse way.12:29
pedro_did i mention that today is hug day?12:29
pedro_InsClusoe: want to work on some bugs ? :-)12:29
InsClusoepedro_: Yes..12:30
pedro_feel free to grab any of that list then :-)12:30
pedro_if you have any question about it ask here in the channel12:30
InsClusoeI don't even know which source file needs fixing.. That's why I was wondering if I could track my familiar actions behind the scenes and understand code flow.12:31
InsClusoeSomething like this is what I was looking for... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures . :-)12:35
IulianInsClusoe: Sorry, I was hugging some bugs.12:35
IulianLooks like seb128 has answered your question.12:35
InsClusoeIulian: Good..12:36
InsClusoeIulian: yeah..12:36
IulianInsClusoe: And like pedro_ said, you should try too, that's a lot of fun.12:36
IulianJust ask your questions here if you have any.12:38
InsClusoeIulian: hmm... will try.12:38
* Iulian hugs InsClusoe 12:39
* InsClusoe hugs Iulian in return...12:40
secretlondonIulian - you missed #67986 which you've alreadyy hugged ;)12:45
* Iulian is looking12:46
Iuliansecretlondon: Yea, I don't think it was necessary to give a comment.12:47
secretlondonpedro is editing the wiki so can't make green for you..12:48
secretlondonIulian - but without changing the wiki we don't know its been fixed12:48
secretlondonwhen you hug a bug you cross it off the list.12:49
pedro_secretlondon: I've finished the edition12:50
IulianI will make them green now.12:50
IulianJust after you finish to edit :)12:52
InsClusoeIulian: Have to go now.. Will be back soon... See you soon.13:03
secretlondonmy modem overheated :(13:20
* tedg waves13:57
tedgHow's the debugging document?13:58
tedgSeems like you guys are making great progress today!13:58
pedro_it's awesome!13:58
pedro_thanks a lot tedg13:58
* pedro_ hugs tedg13:58
seb128hey tedg13:59
seb128tedg: would be nice to have something for the "suspend or hibernate doesn't work" case13:59
seb128like an acpi command or something to run13:59
seb128to figure if that's low in the stack or due to gpm and know where to reassign14:00
tedgpedro_: Thanks.  I didn't have a lot in the triage section, I guess I wasn't sure what exactly to do, it seems like there are a lot of branches to go down.14:00
tedgseb128: Like something lower than the gnome-power-command.sh?14:00
tedgseb128: I guess you'd need root access, but that'd be okay.14:01
seb128tedg: well, that command is only an another interface to gpm, it doesn't tell you whether the issue is due to gpm or to acpi or linux14:02
tedgseb128: Are you thinking calling HAL through DBUS would be enough?  Or calling pm-utils?14:09
seb128tedg: I've no idea how that work, but I would like to learn how to know if gpm or something else is to blame and what is the one to blame? acpi? pm-utils?14:11
nDrewPJgood day (evening) to all! I have a question about gpm along with powertop utility. On my laptop powertop says that I have approx. 2h40min while gpm shows 1h-50min for about 20 minutes....it seems that gpm is selfteaching.... is this a bug? I have much longer battery life with 2.6.24-8 kernel14:21
tedgnDrewPJ: It's a bug if HAL is reporting the time agreeing with powertop and GPM is misreporting it.14:22
nDrewPJhow to see the HAL's report?14:23
tedgnDrewPJ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager#head-a8d5bf53ac6011cf0e2301bc55eda548006205cc14:24
tedgnDrewPJ: You might have to do some math, I think that it gives the discharge rate.14:24
seb128tedg: could be nice to add the maths to do on the wiki debugging page then ;-)14:25
nDrewPJdo i have to turn AC off when doing that?14:26
tedgnDrewPJ: For discharge yes.  Recharge no :)14:27
nDrewPJmmmh :)14:28
tedgseb128: Yeah, probably could do some command-line python thingy.... hmm...14:28
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pedro_folks, today is GPM hug day, join the fun https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080221 feel free to squash any bug of the list!14:41
* secretlondon is having a break!14:42
secretlondonwell i'm reading the wiki, so not that much of a break ;)14:42
pedro_for those using KDE there's a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080221/KDE kde-guidance page too14:43
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pedro_bddebian: want to scare a couple of bugs today? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080221 ;-)15:17
bddebianpedro_: Well I've been working on RC bugs on the Debian side but I'll see what I can do15:18
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pedro_folks the bug season is opened  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2008022115:41
pedro_the graphs are looking really hot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080221#head-88f7adb4ca4a2d5fc365d981613ba2b84a72e14915:42
* pedro_ hugs the bugsquad15:42
* secretlondon hugs pedro_15:44
InsClusoepedro_: What should I set the status to if the user has reported that the problem is fixed..15:47
InsClusoeShld I set it to invalid?15:48
PiciFixed on its own?15:48
pedro_InsClusoe: if the reported said that it was fixed after an update it should be "fix-released" otherwise invalid is ok15:48
pedro_Pici: that's a good state :-P15:48
secretlondonmagically went away15:49
InsClusoeok.. then this one goes to invalid.15:49
pedro_haha! an Hocus Pocus status, tasty15:49
InsClusoePici: Yeah.. It got fixed on its own..15:52
InsClusoeUser has logged a bug in Gutsy beta. Should I ask him to test it with Hardy Alpha and report back?15:56
pedro_InsClusoe: sure, thanks for helping out15:57
InsClusoeYup.. Am happy to be of some help.15:57
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tedgAdded a section on sending PM commands directly to HAL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager#head-2032a88e3ccaf7bd0f270f78c2871417f436132916:22
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InsClusoepedro_: What should be the bug status for duplicates? The original bug has an additional line above the Affects and status fields, containing a link to an upstream bug.16:39
InsClusoepedro_: Can I set it to confirmed?16:41
affluxInsClusoe: we usually leave the status, as the bug is hidden from the listings anyway16:52
yuriyany other KDE people working on hug day today?16:54
Gnineno crashes on latest hardy update17:04
InsClusoeafflux: no... the bug is listed on the BugDay page..17:05
yuriyInsClusoe: a bug that's been filed upstream is not a duplicate, it's still a valid bug17:05
pedro_InsClusoe: sorry i was having lunch, do you have the bug number ?17:06
yuriysometimes you can confirm it based on comments in the upstream bug though. and if it's filed upstream and will be dealt with upstream then you can marc as triaged17:06
InsClusoeno.... A is a duplicate of B. B, meanwhile, has a pointer to an upstream bug. Now what do I do abt A?17:06
pedro_bug #number here at the channel17:06
affluxInsClusoe: thats a completely seperate listing. As this is just for triaging, mark them as lightgreen17:06
InsClusoeBug #13928217:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 139282 in gnome-power-manager "Gnome Power Manager Suspends when computer is in Use" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13928217:06
InsClusoeits Bug #14545617:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145456 in gnome-power-manager "gnome-power-manager hibernates computer instead of suspend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14545617:07
InsClusoesorry abt that17:07
affluxInsClusoe: just chooose "mark as duplicate" for 145456, give the bug number of the main bug and mark  145456 off on the bugday list17:07
affluxmaybe post a comment like "thanks, this is really a dupe, marking it as such"17:08
pedro_or using the stock response of duplicates from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses17:08
pedro_either way is totally ok17:08
* afflux is having a break: going for a coffee17:09
InsClusoepedro_: The link  doesn't work..17:09
pedro_it works here17:09
pedro_response number #10 is the one for dups17:10
jeromeganyone running hardy here ?17:10
IulianWoah! the graphs looks awesome!17:11
IulianI think everyone from this channel is running hardy :-)17:11
pedro_Iulian: yes! they're!17:11
pedro_wow the new bugs are being reduced from ~200 to ~7017:12
InsClusoepedro_: the first link is htp.. should be https. :-)17:12
Iulianpedro_: Yep!17:12
pedro_InsClusoe: he he yeah but you should be redirected :-)17:12
jeromegcould anyone try to confirm bug #193856 ?17:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 193856 in gutsy-backports "transmission 1.0.5 doesn't set window icon properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19385617:12
Gninepanel crashes when click on logoff/switch user/shutdown icon - 8.04 - 2.6.24-817:13
pedro_come on we can reduce it to less than 5017:13
jeromegI would like to know if it also happens in hardy17:13
jeromegpedro_: what bugs are supposed to be triaged, I could give a hand17:13
pedro_Gnine: can you report that with apport ? :-)17:13
pedro_jeromeg: we have a list here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2008022117:13
Iulianjeromeg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2008022117:14
jeromegthank you both ;)17:14
pedro_and debugging instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager17:14
pedro_jeromeg: transmission bug is about not having an icon on the window ?17:18
jeromegpedro_: yep17:18
pedro_confirmed i don't have one17:19
jeromegok, i'll move the bug task from backports to the source package17:19
jeromegpedro_: it seems to be a packaging issue because upstream provides one17:20
jeromegpedro_: gpm sets multimedia keys ?17:21
pedro_jeromeg: no at all17:23
jeromegpedro_: secretlondon : ok because someone of the bug squad team set a bug without package to gpm17:23
jeromegso I wanted to know if gpm had eveolved that much ;)17:23
jeromegsecretlondon: and the bug should be reported against hotkey-setup ?17:24
jeromegit can be forwarded somewhere ?17:24
secretlondonooh the new launchpad can now link to savannah bug trackers :)17:24
jeromegor the kernel devs take care of it ?17:24
secretlondonjeromeg: dunno17:25
pedro_woohoo https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/?field.status=NEW17:29
pedro_65 New reports17:30
secretlondonit's a lot better than when I started this morning :)17:30
pedro_hehe, great work secretlondon!17:31
* pedro_ hugs secretlondon17:31
pedro_come on we can reduce them to less than 50, we totally can :-)17:31
InsClusoepedro_: When I tried to save my changes to BugDay page,I get a warning that it has been saved by someone else in between. I checked the diff and sourcecito has made some changes17:32
pedro_InsClusoe: hit on cancel and edit it again17:32
jeromegpedro_: is it safe to close this one: bug 152730 ?17:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152730 in gnome-power-manager "hibernate.sh & sleep.sh work, but GUI (perhaps gnome-power-manager) does not" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15273017:32
InsClusoepedro_: ok.. thanks17:32
pedro_btw folks you can use editmoin for edit the wiki page too17:32
jeromegpedro_: the guy fixed it by reinstalling hal17:32
pedro_it's totally more safe17:32
pedro_apt-get install editmoin17:33
pedro_jeromeg: yes that's fine just close it as invalid, thanks!17:33
jeromegpedro_: ok17:33
pedro_in case you're interested on editmoin here's a page that explain how you can configure it: http://www.labix.org/editmoin17:34
jeromegcan anyone confirm this in hardy ? bug 13796117:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137961 in gnome-power-manager "powe-manager's graph legends aren't very visible" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13796117:38
jeromegit's about the graph colors17:38
InsClusoepedro_: Bug #164677. Seems more like a feature request than a bug.17:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 164677 in gnome-power-manager "No way to keep backlight off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16467717:40
IulianInsClusoe: I was looking at the same bug ;)17:41
IulianAnd yes, it seems like a feature request.17:41
IulianWhat do you think, pedro_ ?17:41
* InsClusoe hugs Iulian17:42
pedro_jeromeg: makes sense the first part of that report, but i don't see the second one17:42
secretlondonjeromeg: I don't get graphs at all - maybe connected to the hardware you have17:42
pedro_Iulian: InsClusoe looking now17:42
jeromegpedro_: would like me to forward the first par to bugzilla ?17:43
pedro_jeromeg: that would be really cool do to, do you have an account there?17:43
jeromegpedro_: of course :)17:43
pedro_rock on! feel free to do it then17:43
jeromegpedro_: i used to triage a lot a few moths ago17:44
pedro_Iulian: InsClusoe this bug is just the opposite to the other. bug 14777217:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147772 in gnome-power-manager "possible to lower brightness all the way to off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14777217:46
pedro_maybe that is laptop independent ?17:46
pedro_tedg: do you know something about that?17:47
* InsClusoe waits for Iulian to update the bug.17:48
IulianInsClusoe: It's yours!17:51
InsClusoeIulian: I don't know what status to set it to. You update it.17:52
jeromegI'm wondering if bug 138514 is really a problem with gpm17:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 138514 in gnome-power-manager "Media Keys activate backlight when lid closed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13851417:53
jeromegany advise on this ?17:53
tedgpedro_: I guess, why is it  a problem to be able to shut off the backlight?17:53
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* tedg was learning about editmoin, very cool.17:53
pedro_tedg: yes, is that possible to do with all the laptops screens or it's just depend on some special characteristic ?17:54
tedgpedro_: It is hardware/firmware specific.  It depends on the range of values they provide and what "0" means if they support it.17:55
tedgpedro_: Basically we just support the full range of values, we don't really know what they mean.17:55
tedgpedro_: I think most laptops allow you to turn it off (I find this a valuable feature in hotel rooms when I want to leave the computer working but go to sleep)17:55
pedro_tedg: ah ok i see, thanks you17:56
affluxsecretlondon: do you want to triage bug 187524 any further? It should be ticked off in the bugday list17:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 187524 in gnome-power-manager "[hardy] screen lights up when lid is closed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18752417:57
jeromegpedro_: shall I suscribe desktop-bugs as for other gnome apckages ?17:57
seb128jeromeg: no17:57
jeromegseb128: ok :)17:57
secretlondonafflux: i17:58
secretlondonafflux: i'd forgotten about that. it needs proper triaging17:59
InsClusoepedro_: the link to editmoin, http://www.labix.org/editmoin, doesn't work. :-( Something wrong with my connection?17:59
secretlondonafflux: I'm going to bed very soon so don't have time now17:59
jeromegInsClusoe: workforme :)17:59
pedro_mm works fine for me too18:00
InsClusoesomething wrong with my DNS prolly.18:02
seb128InsClusoe: sudo apt-get install editmoin?18:02
InsClusoeseb128: errors out. could not find editmoin.18:03
affluxsecretlondon: okay.. should I just ask the reporter for checking the wiki page about details to add to the bug?18:03
secretlondonI think we want to handhold more than that - ask them for specific info18:04
jeromegseb128: i can confirm bug 164950 in gutsy, do you know if it's link to something specific to Ubuntu ?18:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 164950 in gnome-power-manager "Gnome Power Preferences partially inaccessible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16495018:05
jeromegseb128: or I can forward this upstream ?18:06
seb128jeromeg: that doesn't really make sense, I don't understand the bug18:07
seb128jeromeg: gpm is an user service, it's looking to user keys18:07
jeromegseb128: yep, i know but there is something broken18:07
seb128jeromeg: how?18:07
seb128what do you do to get the bug?18:08
secretlondonis this the power management applet?18:08
jeromegin gutsy I've set my system through the interface to never turn screen off18:08
seb128using what dialog?18:08
jeromegbut it turns off every 40 minutes when idle18:08
jeromegseb128: gnome-power-preferences18:08
jeromegand the root key is set to 40 minutes18:09
jeromegif it set it to never18:09
jeromegeverything works as expected18:09
seb128what key?18:09
jeromegjust a moment18:09
jeromegmm my menus are in french18:10
jeromegyou speak french, right ?18:10
jeromegSur secteur18:10
seb128I understand what preference you are speaking about18:10
seb128but not what gconf key is not correctly changed18:11
jeromegMettre l'écran en veille si inactif depuis :18:11
CubitusI have some problems with my intel wifi pro /wireless 4965 agn. It's working but sometimes it looses the connection and if you use the gnome-network-manager, he doesn't connect after reboot. only modprobe -r iwl4965 works to connect then18:11
jeromegif i use gksudo gnome-power-preferences and set this key to never, it works fine18:11
seb128jeromeg: that is weird18:12
secretlondonCubitus: you need to file a bug on launchpad18:12
jeromegseb128: yep, it annoyed me for a long time before finding the solution18:12
CubitusI'm not sure if this is really a bug or a problem with my notebook only18:12
jeromegseb128: and I'm not the reporter of the bug :)18:12
Cubitusbecause the intel wifi 4965 often works fine for a lot of users18:12
jeromegseb128: you manage to confirm this ?18:14
secretlondonCubitus: I don't know.  I would file a bug anyway18:14
Cubitussecretlondon: ok, thanks18:14
seb128jeromeg: no, wait18:14
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jeromegseb128: I added your name for a bug you closed and forgot to add it to the list ;)18:25
jeromegcan anyone confirm if this is fixed in Hardy: bug 59686 ?18:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 59686 in ubiquity "ubuntu doesn't automatically set boot options" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5968618:28
kaboomHello everyone! One question: Is the 5 Bugs a day event only for Ubuntu/GNOME or can users with Kubuntu/Xubuntu also participate?18:28
jeromegkaboom: of course you can18:28
kaboomok, thanks18:28
jeromegjeromeg: i don't think there any restrictions, you can work on whatever packages you like18:28
affluxthe bugs schould be in launchpad, though ;)18:29
jeromegafflux: :)18:29
affluxIf I have counted right, there are < 50 bugs left today's list18:29
jeromegafflux: could test something for me just a second ?18:30
affluxmaybe :)18:30
InsClusoeWhat happened to the graphs on bugday page?18:30
jeromegcould you launch gnome-power-preferences18:30
jeromeggo to the second tab18:30
jeromegand check if the second field has the option "ASK ME"18:30
affluxit doesn'T18:31
jeromegafflux: thank you !18:31
affluxnot sure if it's intended18:31
affluxno problem18:32
affluxInsClusoe: what should've happended to them?18:32
jeromegafflux: you are using hardy, don't you ?18:32
InsClusoeafflux: I can't see them anymore.18:32
affluxoh. I can :)18:32
* InsClusoe curses my ISP.. Damn!18:33
affluxInsClusoe: http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/gnome-power-manager/plots/gnome-power-manager-1day-new.png, does that work?18:33
InsClusoenope. HTTP 404.18:33
affluxhttp:// ?18:34
InsClusoeafflux: I don"t know how IRC and launchpad alone work,18:34
afflux(which is people.ubuntu.com for me)18:34
InsClusoeafflux: no... 404 again.18:34
affluxthat's weird18:34
secretlondonweird dns thing, or possibly filtering?18:35
InsClusoeafflux: am going crazy.. filtering done by ISP?18:35
pedro_InsClusoe: install bind!18:36
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pedro_wow only 40 new reports18:37
InsClusoeThese pages work everyday. I dont know whats the big deal today.18:37
kaboomDoes someone know how I could make a backtrace of a total system freeze? (Nothing works anymore, all is totally frozen, I only can press the reset button)18:37
affluxkaboom: does the mouse move?18:37
kaboomafflux: nope18:38
secretlondonkaboom: there is info on debugging system crash about sysreq - I couldn't get it to work here but it may work for you18:39
affluxkaboom: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash may be helpful18:41
affluxkaboom: if not, I've no idea..  :)18:41
kaboomHow long should I run the memory test?18:41
jeromeggot go now18:43
jeromeg*got to go18:43
affluxkaboom: the wiki says "at least one full pass". I recommend doing two or three, or running it over night if you can. I had some errors in the first pass, but they didn't occur later anymore18:43
secretlondonkaboom: as long as you can really.18:43
jeromegbye all18:43
affluxbye jeromeg18:43
secretlondonbye jeromeg18:43
jeromegciao afflux18:43
jeromegciao secretlondon18:43
kaboomOk, thanks. What exactly is the SysRq-key on a german keyboard18:44
kaboomMaybe S-Abf?18:44
affluxkaboom: it's alt+print for me18:44
affluxkaboom: but it can be alt+s-abf too18:45
kaboomYeah, then it's maybe the key labeled Druck and below S-Abf18:45
affluxkaboom: ah, right. s-abf is below "pause" for me ;)18:46
kaboomOK, Thx18:46
secretlondongood night - and` great work!18:51
* secretlondon isn't expecting to see many gpm bugs when she wakes up :)18:51
IulianG'night secretlondon!18:53
caratdoes anybody want to hear a bug?18:53
Iuliancarat: Shoot18:53
IulianThat's why we are here.18:53
carat(iam sorry for my englisch, i hope you understand the most...) I installed ubuntu 7.10 on my fathers notebook "dell xps m1210". the problem is, that the screen doesnt stay black when i close it. it went black some seconds but afterwards the full screen (i dont find the right word :-( ) is there again.18:57
kaboomI've encountered a bug in Kaffeine/libdvdread which appears in Konsole when I start it from there. It doesn't seem to affect the GUI, for the exact error see http://paste.ubuntu.com/4862/18:59
affluxcarat: what did you set in the powermanagement preferences? Should the screen go black or should the system be suspended?19:02
caratthe screen should go black19:02
caratand he is using the intel proprietary driver, iam now trying it with the normal open driver, mom pls19:04
affluxcarat: thank you19:05
kaboombye everyone, I'll be back soon19:05
guucan someone help me with my first bug report?19:05
InsClusoeguu: bug number pls..19:08
caratsame problem with the open driver. i should also say that it works with the kde. i think the bug belongs to the gnome-power-manager i heard from many other bugs19:08
affluxcarat: there are a lot of bugs about the lid not working. I think it's worthless reporting this on launchpad19:09
affluxcarat: but thanks for your research and time19:09
affluxcarat: some of them may be listed here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager?field.searchtext=closing+lid&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=19:10
afflux(sorry for that long URL)19:10
caratiam happy to have a chance to give something back! all in all iam very happy with open source, especially debian and ubuntu19:10
caratthank you19:10
InsClusoecarat: I think you can try disabling compiz... I know it breaks quite a few things on my Dell laptop.19:11
* afflux hopes that this bugday results in some more gpm bugs being closed.. 266 open bugs is quite a lot :(19:12
InsClusoecarat: compiz and intel video driver dont appear to work well together. In fact, I couldn't play movies with compiz enabled.19:12
* InsClusoe shares afflux's concern..19:13
InsClusoeafflux: I hope many of them can be moved upstream..19:13
caratso i  tried all possibilities, none is working. now iam looking at launchpad and maybe i add some notes19:23
InsClusoecarat: ok.. that would be great. Thanks.19:26
yuriypedro_: didn't get that in on time. it was more of a "please talk about this" than genuine question anyway20:03
pedro_aah ok20:03
InsClusoepedro_: Can you tell me if I should set Bug #162124 to invalid bug or if it is a wishlist item?20:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 162124 in gnome-power-manager "Should be able to set power preferences systemwide, eg. sleep on lid closed on gdm login screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16212420:04
pedro_InsClusoe: looking20:04
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pedro_InsClusoe: that's out of the scope of gpm i think, wontfix or invalid sounds ok there20:06
InsClusoeok... I could guess it but didn't want to when so many experts are approachable around here.20:07
pedro_yuriy: we have the desktop bug days (GNOME related) on Thursday and the normal ones on Tuesdays20:09
pedro_we have a lot of bugs on the desktop side that's why we're doing two bugs days a week20:09
yuriypedro_: oh ok sounds good20:09
yuriyi'll try to keep up with the KDE pages on thursdays then20:09
pedro_that'd be really nice :-)20:10
yuriytoday's turnout (or lack thereof) is really disappointing though20:10
pedro_i guess we should just announce it20:10
pedro_maybe we didn't have a lot of participation there because of that20:10
pedro_but let's announce it and see how it goes20:10
yuriywell there was the bugsquad ml announcement, which i replied to with a link20:10
InsClusoeoh.. I didnt know we had 2 bugdays in  a week. And am unable to check my mail because of the some dns issues.20:12
yuriywill try to improve things for next week i guess20:12
pedro_right, but maybe another email instead of a reply would be nice20:12
pedro_33 New Reports20:14
pedro_you guys really rock!20:15
* pedro_ hugs the bugsquad 20:15
pedro_we had almost 200, that's really cool20:15
affluxyep, nice job!20:16
* bdmurray claps20:17
pedro_did everyone submitted the bugs to 5-a-day ?20:17
afflux(but, as I said above, we still have about 260 bugs in gpm, and I guess lot's of them are duplicates)20:17
* afflux did submit them20:17
pedro_if you don't please take a look there and do it!20:17
pedro_it's fun120:17
* InsClusoe can't. Curses his ISP again..20:18
* pedro_ kicks InsClusoe's ISP20:18
InsClusoepedro_: :-D thanks20:18
InsClusoepedro_: Hey.. Can I edit my comments to a bug?20:19
affluxInsClusoe: no, you need to add a new comment20:19
InsClusoeafflux: ok..20:20
pedro_see you later guys, great work!20:34
affluxbdmurray: is bug 147772 still an issue for you in current hardy?20:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147772 in gnome-power-manager "possible to lower brightness all the way to off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14777220:35
bdmurrayafflux: Are you harassing me? ;) That's a good question - I'll dig out my laptop20:37
bdmurrayHmm, it does look like it is still an issue20:45
bdmurrayafflux: it does still seem to be a problem20:52
afflux*grumble* bad compi20:52
affluxbdmurray: and you're running hardy on it?20:53
bdmurrayyes, I'm just finishing updating packages20:53
alex-weejok so network manager is telling my mum her IP address is when connected to the router, i have to get her to do "dhclient eth0" in a terminal to get an IP address20:54
alex-weejif she connects directly to our modem, it says her IP address is
alex-weejyet ifconfig says its a proper internet IP address20:54
alex-weejand indeed, the connection works20:54
alex-weejany ideas what's going on?20:54
alex-weej(i should add, the connection just does not work in the case where nm thinks the address is
affluxbdmurray: okay. I'd like to tick this off the bugday list, so what status should we set for it? Leave it as new? I can't confirm it, since I don't own a laptop (really nice for gpm bugs ;))20:56
InsClusoerouter has DHCP enabled? If ip is, you are not connected to the router?20:56
affluxalex-weej: Is using a static IP an option for you?20:56
bdmurrayafflux: Do you know of anything more useful for me to gather?20:57
bdmurraytedg_: Do you have any ideas of more useful information for bug 147772?20:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147772 in gnome-power-manager "possible to lower brightness all the way to off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14777220:58
affluxbdmurray: I must admit that I don't know anything specifically for g-p-m20:58
affluxa package version may be a good thing, for the record20:59
InsCluso1sourcercito: I just saw your update on bug #136871.21:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136871 in gnome-power-manager "Idle/inactive action/autosuspend results in a suspend AND a hibernate" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13687121:16
InsCluso1An upstream bug has been logged for it... so, can it still be set to incomplete?21:17
bdmurrayafflux: right I've done that21:17
bdmurrayCan anyone verify 147772?21:18
alex-weejafflux: not really21:19
InsCluso1bdmurray: sorry... I dont have hardy on my laptop yet.21:19
bdmurrayogasawara: Could you?21:22
ogasawarabdmurray: I'll give it a try21:22
bdmurraysweet, thanks!21:23
InsCluso1https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/194136 has just been logged. Reports that brightness keys do not work at all.21:23
bdmurrayIt's kind of scary but there's a workaround too21:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 194136 in ubuntu "Brightness Special Buttons doesn't work in a UPI Laptop" [Undecided,New]21:23
ogasawarabdmurray: hrm, I can't confirm - my brightness is controlled by Fn+down-arrow/up-arrow21:26
ogasawarabdmurray: I can bring the brightness all the way down and back up just fine21:26
bdmurrayhmm, mine gets pitch black and I can't see anything21:27
bdmurraythanks for checking21:27
ogasawarabdmurray: mine never gets pitch black21:28
bdmurrayI'm special it seems21:28
seb128_who was speaking 3 hours ago about a bug which can be worked around using sudo to run the preferences dialog?21:32
dejv_ntbbdmurray: what problems with backlight do you have?21:33
affluxseb128_: suppose that's beem jeromeg21:33
seb128_afflux: that was him, thanks21:34
affluxseb128_: with bug 16495021:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 164950 in gnome-power-manager "Gnome Power Preferences partially inaccessible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16495021:34
bdmurraydejv_ntb: I can turn it all the way off and increasing the brightness never brings it back.  I have to switch to tty1 and go back to X21:35
affluxyay, we've now < 30 NEW bugs left for gpm21:36
affluxI'm going to bed now. good night21:37
InsCluso1afflux: same here... good night. bye.21:38
dejv_ntbbdmurray:  I can't confirm this, but I'm not running up-to-date X ATM21:38
affluxyou too21:38
dejv_ntbI'll tell you later21:38
tedg_bdmurray: I guess I don't see why it's a problem that you can turn the backlight off.22:08
bdmurraytedg_: because there isn't a way to turn it back on?22:09
tedg_bdmurray: The reality is that we don't have a way to know what the values that are given by the firm/hardware actually mean.22:09
tedg_Well, the problem is you can't increase the backlight level, not that it goes to zero.22:09
tedg_If both up and down work, I don't see the problem with zero being an option.22:09
bdmurrayUp doesn't work when brightness is 0, it works the rest of the time.22:10
tedg_So, that's the problem, not that it goes to 0.22:12
tedg_I wouldn't know why that would be, did you try killing gpm and getting the verbose messages?22:12
tedg_seb128 had a weird thing where it was using the wrong backlight value.22:12
tedg_But it was visible in the verbose output.22:13
bdmurraytedg_: like "gnome-power-manager --no-daemon --debug power"?22:13
tedg_bdmurray: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager#head-7d2eb767e44a7231fae6964dcf12bc27fe507c9d22:16
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bdmurraytedg_: additionally by battery shows is_charging = false and is_discharging = false .  What could it be doing then?22:28
tedg_Did you check "batter.at_lunch"?22:35
tedg_Is that a /proc battery or a /sys one?22:36
tedg_The /sys driver seems to be broken :(22:36
bdmurraythat's linux.sysfs_path?22:37
bdmurrayOr how do I know which it is?22:38
tedg_If it has a sysfs path it'd be the /sys one.22:41
tedg_If you do a hal-find-by-capability you should get all the "batteries".22:41
tedg_One is likely to be /proc and one is likely to be /sys22:42
bdmurrayright hal-find-by-capability finds 1 battery and it has linux.sysfs_path22:43
tedg_Oh, cool.  I wonder if pitti upgraded HAL.22:45
seb128_yes, he uploaded yesterday22:46
seb128_the patch to not listed extra batteries22:46
tedg_Ah, I didn't upgrade this moring.22:46
bdmurrayand now I get a battery out to lunch22:47
stgraberbdmurray: btw, did you see : bug 19405222:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 194052 in gnome-power-manager "gpm does not create the correct profiling files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19405222:53
tedg_bdmurray: So, I think that now in general we can start to look at the problems with the /sys batteries.22:54
stgraberbdmurray: situation improved here as I now only see one battery instead of the two I had before, but the one it reports doesn't contain any interesting info (not even the charge seems correct)22:54
tedg_bdmurray: I don't think that HAL is polling it correctly, it may be that the kernel /sys file system isn't sending the events though.22:55
bdmurrayawesome, I guess I ran out of power :(22:57
bdmurraymy laptop just turned off w/o warning22:58
stgraberbdmurray: mine does that all the time :) (and g-p-m shows a nice 100% charged a second before it runs out of power)23:03
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bdmurraytedg_: I've updated my bug with the debug log23:38
tedg_bdmurray: Seems like GPM thinks the levels are changing...23:48
bdmurraytedg_: at which line do you see that?23:49
tedg_I was watching the lines "Setting x of 95"23:50
tedg_It seems like it goes down with brightness down.23:50
tedg_And then goes back up to 95 later.23:50
bdmurrayright, that's when I switch to tty1 and back23:51
bdmurrayshouldn't it slowly go back up from 0?23:51
tedg_I'm looking at 23:28:51, and it looks like it does.23:52
bdmurrayHunh, that's wacky.  I waited more than 28 seconds23:55
bdmurrayI was looking at the 23:30:45 area23:56
tedg_So the jump to VT1 was between 23:28:52 and 23:30:45 -- then what happened in the 23:28:51 timeframe?  Were you hitting the up key?23:57
bdmurrayNothing.  Shouldn't pressing brightness-up show up as a Button press event?23:59
tedg_One would think...23:59

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