| Hobbsee | intrepid ibex, hey? | 00:16 |
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| infinity | Yeah, my suggestion of Incontinent Imbecile was rejected. | 00:17 |
| StevenK | Hah | 00:17 |
| Hobbsee | HAHA | 00:18 |
| Hobbsee | oops, caps | 00:18 |
| * lamont kicks /etc/event.d. | 00:41 | |
| lamont | how do I get the system to reconize changes there? | 00:41 |
| lamont | short of reboot, that is | 00:41 |
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| Chipzz | ScottK: errr, yes it (maintaining a mixed system) IS documented; it's called pinning and is documented in man apt_preferences | 02:58 |
| ion_ | FSVO documented | 02:59 |
| Chipzz | although I should poorly documented :P | 02:59 |
| Chipzz | ion_: ;) | 02:59 |
| ScottK | Not supported though | 02:59 |
| Chipzz | ion_: I found that manpage to be really confusing ;) | 02:59 |
| Chipzz | ScottK: yeah but the guy was asking about documentation ;) | 02:59 |
| Chipzz | s/confusing/complex and lacking examples/ | 03:00 |
| ScottK | K. I took it more as I did this really odd thing to my system, I want to do something odder, and want it to work. Please help. | 03:01 |
| Chipzz | question of interpretation I guess ;) | 03:01 |
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| Chipzz | the one thing I did try to achieve with apt/preferences, I failed at :P | 03:08 |
| Chipzz | which was trying to convince apt that packages recompiled locally and installed with dpkg -i should take precedence | 03:08 |
| Chipzz | but then, I don't even know if that's possible (or if apt/preferences is the right way to do that) | 03:11 |
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| superm1 | slangasek, still going to have time to look over the changes to cdimage with me? | 04:31 |
| choudesh_ | Anyone around? | 04:55 |
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| Hobbsee | no | 04:55 |
| choudesh | heh. ;-) | 04:55 |
| choudesh | Is the 8.04 kernel compiled with the HIGHMEM flag? | 04:55 |
| emgent | heya Hobbsee :) | 05:03 |
| Hobbsee | hey emgent! | 05:03 |
| _MMA_ | choudesh: I believe it is for 32-bit. | 05:15 |
| slangasek | superm1: is there a branch I can look at? I think I can squeeze in looking at the changes, but only asynchronously | 05:58 |
| superm1 | slangasek, yeah there is. | 05:58 |
| superm1 | slangasek, let me get you a url | 05:58 |
| superm1 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/ubuntu-cdimage/mythbuntu-cdimage/ | 05:59 |
| slangasek | superm1: thanks, pulling for later | 05:59 |
| superm1 | slangasek, thanks. let me know if you have any questions or concerns. i'll be up for 1-2 more hours, otherwise i'll answer in the morning | 06:00 |
| slangasek | yah, I don't think I'll get to it until tomorrow anyway, I'm a bit sleep-deprived ATM | 06:01 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:08 |
| warp10 | Hi all! | 07:11 |
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| tjaalton | pitti, slangasek: the latest xorg-server upload is not built yet? | 07:25 |
| tjaalton | -intel needs that | 07:25 |
| pitti | tjaalton: built everywhere | 07:26 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:26 |
| pitti | hey dholbach | 07:26 |
| dholbach | hey pitti | 07:27 |
| tjaalton | pitti: but not published? -1ubuntu4 is the one | 07:27 |
| slangasek | tjaalton: published too. there've been some mirror pulse issues, I know; perhaps your local mirror is lagged as a result of that | 07:30 |
| tjaalton | slangasek: ah ok, I'm using archive.u.c ;) | 07:31 |
| pitti | tjaalton: ah, just wanted to say the same | 07:31 |
| tjaalton | slangasek: I uploaded a new -intel which build-deps on the latest xserver-xorg-dev, and drops the patch which forces XAA on !965 | 07:32 |
| slangasek | tjaalton: perhaps archive.u.c is lagged as a result of that ;-P | 07:32 |
| tjaalton | hope it's ok.. | 07:32 |
| tjaalton | we discussed these with bryce | 07:32 |
| slangasek | tjaalton: is that a new new -intel, or the new -intel that I know about already from talking to bryce ~24h ago? | 07:33 |
| bryce | same -intel | 07:33 |
| slangasek | ok | 07:33 |
| slangasek | that one's built & published, but perhaps not published as far as we'd like | 07:33 |
| tjaalton | slangasek: it's the same, but with the latest patch disabled since it turns out that compiz has issues with XAA&Xv at least on some i9xx in addition to 965 | 07:34 |
| tjaalton | it's published, but doesn't do what we'd like it to do :) | 07:35 |
| tjaalton | ie. force greedy EXA | 07:35 |
| bryce | yeah users are reporting that our fix for 965 also works great on other intel chips | 07:35 |
| slangasek | so what you're saying is that you want a -2ubuntu7? | 07:36 |
| tjaalton | exactly | 07:36 |
| slangasek | the current behavior isn't a regression, right? | 07:37 |
| bryce | it's not a regression from gutsy (we had been running XAA there) | 07:38 |
| slangasek | so no urgent reason to try to squeeze it into alpha5..? | 07:39 |
| bryce | but for alpha3 and 4 we'd turned EXA on for everyone, which we assumed worked no differently than XAA | 07:39 |
| tjaalton | exa has been there since 2.2.0 was uploaded.. | 07:40 |
| slangasek | ah | 07:40 |
| bryce | however users are saying they had been finding EXA fixed things for them, they just hadn't really told us until this patch to put them back to XAA went in | 07:40 |
| slangasek | heh. :) ok, go ahead and upload 7 and I'll try to see that it gets squeezed onto the ISOs | 07:40 |
| Fujitsu | Is XAA actually meant to work with Xv? It never has for me. | 07:40 |
| bryce | ok cool | 07:41 |
| bryce | Fujitsu: I only knew that it didn't work with 965. | 07:41 |
| bryce | (but then, on my 945 where I play video regularly, compiz had been crashing left and right anyway) | 07:42 |
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| tjaalton | slangasek: already did, I assumed that you'd put it on hold if not acceptable for a5 :) | 07:45 |
| Pete_B | can anyone please tell me the dependencies of the lamp-server virtual package? (I'm not running Ubuntu so can't check myself) | 07:58 |
| sladen | peter_b: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/lamp-server except that doesn't return any results, did it get renamed? | 08:10 |
| sladen | pete_b: grep -A8 lamp-server /usr/share/tasksel/ubuntu-tasks.desc | 08:19 |
| pitti | infinity: gcc-3.3 upload> ... but it already was in universe before? | 08:22 |
| \sh | asac: ff3 + flash + usb headset (in this case a sennheiser) doesn't work...I wonder if it's a regression of gnome/ff3+flash or something else | 08:28 |
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| soren | pitti: Now that the gcc issue is taken care of in kvm, everything is fine, right? | 08:45 |
| pitti | soren: yes, it is; I'll get to review/promoting it soon | 08:46 |
| soren | pitti: Cool. Thanks. | 08:46 |
| soren | Just wanted to make sure it wasn't blocking on me somehow. | 08:47 |
| davmor2 | Do we have stable images across the board now, for testing purposes? | 08:52 |
| mvo | hey sladen! will you be at fosdem? | 08:52 |
| sladen | mvo: a bit late if I do turn up. Ferry to Rostock left 22:00 last night and I was too busy watching the fresh snow to watch it | 08:53 |
| sladen | s/watch/catch the ferry/ | 08:54 |
| mvo | sladen: heh :) ok | 08:54 |
| slytherin | Does a MIR bug need to be marked confirmed? | 08:54 |
| sladen | silly Deutsch Bahn site is suggesting I go via St. Petersburg. meh germany technology. | 08:57 |
| seb128 | do we have anybody looking to fuse in ubuntu? | 08:58 |
| davmor2 | sladen: it's a long bike ride any way you look at it ;) | 08:58 |
| seb128 | looks like the rmdir behaviour on ntfs fuse mounts is not correct | 08:58 |
| seb128 | I would like to know if that's a known issue | 08:58 |
| pitti | seb128: you mean ntfs-3g or fuse proper? | 08:59 |
| seb128 | pitti: no idea, whatever we use to mount ntfs partitions | 08:59 |
| seb128 | ntfs-3g likely | 08:59 |
| seb128 | rmdir gives a = -1 EEXIST (File exists) | 08:59 |
| seb128 | instead of a = -1 ENOTEMPTY (Directory not empty) | 08:59 |
| seb128 | when used on a non empty directory | 09:00 |
| seb128 | that breaks gvfs | 09:00 |
| slytherin | And I thought only I was having this problem | 09:00 |
| seb128 | slytherin: ? | 09:00 |
| slytherin | ntfs-3g here (default install) | 09:01 |
| slytherin | seb128: I get error when trying to delete folders with files inside | 09:01 |
| seb128 | slytherin: you are the one who opened the bug? | 09:01 |
| slytherin | seb128: No. I didn't | 09:02 |
| pitti | seb128: yep, ntfs-3g likely | 09:04 |
| pitti | seb128: there is a new upstream version allegedly, which we should update anyway | 09:04 |
| pitti | (not for alpha5, though) | 09:04 |
| pitti | seb128: aside from that it seems easy enough to fix; can you subscribe me to the bug #? | 09:05 |
| pitti | I'm happy to take a look | 09:05 |
| carlos | pitti: hi, should I accept translations for x264 package? it's in multiverse | 09:06 |
| pitti | carlos: good question; why not? | 09:06 |
| carlos | pitti: it's not a package in main, so I just wanted to check it ;-) | 09:07 |
| seb128 | pitti: bug #186569, I've subscribed you | 09:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 186569 in ntfs-3g "cannot delete files off of an Fuse mounted NTFS partition in nautilus" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186569 | 09:07 |
| pitti | carlos: you are afraid of violating LP's usage policy or so? | 09:07 |
| carlos | pitti: no, there is no problem in Launchpad side | 09:07 |
| pitti | seb128: taking | 09:07 |
| carlos | pitti: I was more worried in the fact that the translations will be installed in language packs | 09:07 |
| pitti | oh | 09:08 |
| carlos | which are in main | 09:08 |
| pitti | carlos: no, that shouldn't happen | 09:08 |
| pitti | I thought LP would import universe translations, but not export them to langpacks? | 09:08 |
| carlos | we ignore those imports to prevent translation effort lose | 09:08 |
| carlos | until we implement a way to deploy it | 09:08 |
| asac | \sh: hard to tell. | 09:12 |
| \sh | asac: i test it a bit later with loudspeakers attached to the default soundcard, so i can trace this problem | 09:16 |
| pitti | carlos: ok, then we better ignore it | 09:27 |
| carlos | ok | 09:28 |
| geser | good morning | 09:30 |
| pitti | hi geser | 09:38 |
| geser | Hi pitti | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | guten tag pitti | 09:54 |
| * pitti hugs Hobbsee | 09:55 | |
| * Hobbsee hugs pitti back! | 09:56 | |
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| lool | pitti: elisa dep changes applied with | python >= 2.5 (as also mentionned by pochu); thanks | 10:55 |
| pitti | lool: great, thanks; I'm not fussed about python2.5 or python (>= 2.5) | 10:55 |
| pitti | the latter is better for forwards compatibility, right | 10:56 |
| lool | Well elisa runs with the default python ATM, so these are only optional if it's >= 2.5 | 10:56 |
| pitti | StevenK: oh, the joys of de-yada-ifying (just did it for ossp-uuid) | 10:57 |
| StevenK | Yay! | 10:57 |
| pitti | soren: I wonder whether kvm-source should better stay in universe? I take it on hardy release kvm-source and l-u-m should ideally be synchronized? | 11:11 |
| soren | pitti: Well, not l-u-m, but yes. | 11:12 |
| soren | And that is currently the case. | 11:12 |
| pitti | right, it's in linux proper | 11:12 |
| pitti | ok, done | 11:12 |
| soren | Feel free to leave kvm-source in universe. | 11:12 |
| * soren hugs pitti | 11:12 | |
| pitti | soren: can you please get it seeded? | 11:12 |
| soren | Sure. | 11:12 |
| davmor2 | Can anyone tell me please if the Ubuntu cd's are safe for testing? | 11:30 |
| dredg | depends what you mean by safe. there's always the chance a cd could shatter and cut you | 11:32 |
| Hobbsee | davmor2: slangasek should be able to answer you | 11:32 |
| soren | dredg: I hate that :( | 11:34 |
| cjwatson | mvo: 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' installs recommends from the metapackage. 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^' does not. | 11:56 |
| cjwatson | mvo: this feels like an apt bug to me? | 11:56 |
| cjwatson | mvo: this happens even if I set APT::Install-Recommends=true. I think perhaps MarkInstall never gets called with AutoInst==true? | 12:07 |
| cjwatson | mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4824/ seems to fix it, but I'm not entirely certain what other effects it would have? | 12:15 |
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| cjwatson | mvo: (this is alpha-5-critical, by the way; we're only running into it as a consequence of other problems, but those seem a lot harder to address) | 12:17 |
| ogra_cmpc | cjwatson, oh, you pushed kdeedu completely into desktop-kde ... if i add it to desktop-addon now that will pull in the deps i guess ? | 12:31 |
| sabdfl | Riddell: help re displayconfig | 12:32 |
| sabdfl | Riddell: is there a known issue with the display configuration in Hardy? | 12:33 |
| sabdfl | complaining about being unable to find libpython2.5.so, iirc | 12:33 |
| cjwatson | ogra_cmpc: I don't think I made any changes as far as the position of kdeedu is concerned | 12:33 |
| cjwatson | ogra_cmpc: yes, seed dependency resolution works as normal | 12:34 |
| ogra_cmpc | cjwatson, no, that change was made before aolready (it was in live and the old addon seed) | 12:34 |
| ogra_cmpc | we did that for gutsy | 12:34 |
| ogra_cmpc | hmm, unpredictable growth then, i'll keep it for after alpha then | 12:35 |
| ogra_cmpc | the desktop install works fine from g-a-i now :) | 12:35 |
| cjwatson | excellent | 12:36 |
| davmor2 | The new ubiquity doesn't set the country and keyboard defaults after the world map anymore. Is this known? | 12:36 |
| ogra_cmpc | having .desktop files for -desktop metapackages seems worth to have for all of them imho | 12:37 |
| ogra_cmpc | we should discuss that at UDS | 12:37 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: #ubuntu-installer | 12:37 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: ta | 12:37 |
| Riddell | sabdfl: yes, that's a known issue, it's on my todo for fixing | 12:39 |
| Riddell | sabdfl: but it has larger problems too due to changes in xorg.conf files so it may disappear altogether | 12:39 |
| Riddell | sabdfl: you can install python2.5-dev to work around that issue | 12:40 |
| __keybuk | asac: default firefox launcher is broken, known? | 12:41 |
| mvo | cjwatson: thanks, sorry I was at lunch, checking it now | 12:42 |
| asac | __keybuk: yes we will go back to firefox.desktop in next upload | 12:43 |
| asac | (if that is what you mean) | 12:43 |
| mvo | Riddell: what are your plans re> displayconfig? is there someone working on fixing it? | 12:43 |
| DktrKranz | pitti, it seems SRU candidate in bug 41491 is not sufficient, what's the procedure in these cases? | 12:45 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 41491 in wzdftpd "Dapper: Broken dependencies for some wzdftpd modules" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41491 | 12:45 |
| Riddell | mvo: there is not | 12:45 |
| Riddell | mvo: bryce wants to replace it with improved xrandr tools | 12:45 |
| pitti | DktrKranz: upload a fixed one | 12:46 |
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| mvo | Riddell: yes, I have seen that (and think that its the right way) - is there a kde version for this in the works too? | 12:46 |
| pitti | DktrKranz: we can kill the version in -proposed if it is worse than the one in -release | 12:47 |
| Riddell | mvo: not that I know of | 12:47 |
| pitti | cjwatson: yay, I just wrote "msgequal" to weed out msgid == msgstr | 12:47 |
| cjwatson | mvo: the two commands I gave are enough to reproduce in a clean debootstrap | 12:47 |
| DktrKranz | pitti, it's not worse, because now there's only one packae which has unmetdeps (against three than -release) | 12:47 |
| cjwatson | pitti: ooh, neat | 12:47 |
| pitti | cjwatson: /usr/include/gettext-po.h FTW :) | 12:48 |
| mvo | cjwatson: thanks, doing that now | 12:48 |
| pochu | doko: are you aware of bzrtools 1.2.0-1ubuntu1 failing to upgrade with latest pycentral? I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4826/plain/ | 12:53 |
| ogra_cmpc | wow, virtualbox through ssh -X works really well :) | 12:55 |
| doko | pochu: yes, we (mvo and me) don't yet understand why the preinst is not run. this only happens for upgrades from 1.2.0-1build1. you can work around by using apt-get --reinstall install bzrtools | 12:59 |
| edsiper | is *jemalloc* going to be integrated in ubuntu 8.04 ? | 13:00 |
| pochu | doko: ok, nice that you are aware of it. do you want me to submit it to lp (via apport) ? | 13:02 |
| mvo | cjwatson: I can reproduce the different behavior here, I looked closer and it seems that the Task: in the Packages file is incorrect (or not in sync with the metapackages). if you look at e.g. landscape-client, that one is part of ubuntu-desktop as a recommends but in my chroot apt-cache show landscape-client does not list ubuntu-desktop as a task | 13:07 |
| mvo | cjwatson: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ is really just using the task information from the packages file | 13:07 |
| cjwatson | mvo: yes, that is a bug (harder to fix), and is triggering the bug in apt; but I think it is nevertheless a bug in apt | 13:07 |
| cjwatson | mvo: the ubuntu-desktop metapackage is part of the ubuntu-desktop task, and as such apt should honour Install-Recommends-Sections and install Recommends from the ubuntu-desktop metapackage | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | even if they aren't in the task | 13:08 |
| davmor2 | Ubiquity is frozen at 94% on ubuntu 32 bit and 64 bit | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | mvo: I wrote an analysis of the bug you describe to #ubuntu-release; it's going to take some seed changes and a Launchpad change to fix | 13:08 |
| mvo | cjwatson: thanks, I see. let me look a bit closer at the code so that I can get a better idea why it is run this way | 13:09 |
| cjwatson | 12:28 <cjwatson> the underlying problem here is that the seed_map stuff in *-meta/update.cfg is only there, and not in the seeds, so Launchpad is unable to make use of it for generating Task fields | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | 12:29 <cjwatson> it's actually not a new problem - note the lack of Task field in base-files which strictly speaking should have Task: ubuntu-minimal | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | 12:29 <cjwatson> err, Task: minimal I mean | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | 12:30 <cjwatson> but in order to fix it we'll need a Launchpad change, and if we can work around it by fixing the apt bug it appears to be triggering, I'd prefer that to having to ask for a cherry-pick | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | this is in turn triggered by the seed reorganisation which split part of the desktop seed out into desktop-common (and desktop-kubuntu-common for kubuntu/kubuntu-kde4) | 13:10 |
| mvo | cjwatson: thanks for the background. I think I wrote the code under the assumption that the task header would be present on the packages, your change is fine if that assumption is incorrect. I can do a upload with that fix | 13:18 |
| cjwatson | mvo: I think the best way to describe it is "incorrect for the time being" :-) | 13:22 |
| cjwatson | mvo: I'll definitely try to get the systemic and Launchpad bugs fixed. Thanks! | 13:22 |
| mvo | cjwatson: ok .) let me do a final test and then I do the upload | 13:24 |
| mvo | cjwatson: hrm, your fix helps, but its not perfect, there is still a delta between the task install and the meta-package (also smaller) - I look a bit deeper | 13:41 |
| cjwatson | mvo: hmm, ok | 13:42 |
| cjwatson | I admit I didn't do a proper comparison, I was just looking for ones I knew were left out by mistake | 13:42 |
| ogra_cmpc | mvo, do we have *any* GL checks left in compiz (read: is there still a blacklist where we could add xephyr) ? | 13:43 |
| ogra_cmpc | seems the desktop crashes in xephyr sessions with a message about texture_from_pixmap (which i belive comes from compiz) | 13:44 |
| mvo | cjwatson: wdiff with fix compared to metapkg http://paste.ubuntu.com/4827/ | 13:45 |
| mvo | ogra_cmpc: yes and yes | 13:46 |
| ogra_cmpc | ok | 13:46 |
| mvo | ogra_cmpc: it crashes? | 13:46 |
| ogra_cmpc | wait a sec | 13:46 |
| mvo | ogra_cmpc: no fallback to metacity? | 13:46 |
| ogra_cmpc | apparently no fallback | 13:46 |
| johnny | beep | 13:46 |
| ogra_cmpc | johnny is the guy who works on sabayon atm | 13:46 |
| johnny | one of the guys.. | 13:47 |
| ogra_cmpc | which is supposed to switch to xephyr at some point | 13:47 |
| mvo | ogra_cmpc: strange, it should fall back | 13:47 |
| johnny | we hope.. | 13:47 |
| ogra_cmpc | johnny, *the* guy in ubuntu :) | 13:47 |
| johnny | im a guy in ubuntu? | 13:47 |
| ogra_cmpc | :P | 13:47 |
| johnny | not officially at least | 13:48 |
| johnny | my main OS is gentoo, i just happen to use ubuntu all over the place elsewhere :) | 13:48 |
| ogra_cmpc | mvo, can we blacklist it (likely post alpja stuff though) | 13:48 |
| ogra_cmpc | *alpha | 13:48 |
| johnny | is this a place where you guys talking about issues you have with specific apps in hardy? | 13:49 |
| johnny | i'm still having troubles with 2.22 and sabayon that i have replicated with hardy | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | johnny: no, this is the Ubuntu developer coordination channel | 13:49 |
| johnny | but i don't know anybody familiar with gvfs to know what should happen | 13:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | cjwatson, he cares for our sabayon package a lot | 13:50 |
| johnny | got some patches merged in | 13:50 |
| johnny | hmm.. need to find the guy who maintains the current sabayon dev, gotta tell him that i removed gnomesu from the desktop file | 13:51 |
| cjwatson | mvo: odd, fontconfig depends on fontconfig-config; why would the latter ever not be installed? | 13:51 |
| johnny | now you can add gksu or not.. depending on the setup | 13:51 |
| mvo | ogra_cmpc: sure | 13:51 |
| ogra_cmpc | thanks | 13:52 |
| mvo | cjwatson: I have no idea at the moment, I'm looking at it, sorry | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | mvo: fontconfig-config is installed in both cases for me | 13:52 |
| mvo | cjwatson: with -o APT::Install-Recommends=true or without? | 13:53 |
| cjwatson | mvo: without | 13:54 |
| cjwatson | just with the default install-recommends-sections stuff | 13:54 |
| cjwatson | mvo: the only difference for me with my patch is mousetweaks, which was a recent addition and I think the metapackage just hasn't been updated yet | 13:55 |
| cjwatson | mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4829/ | 13:55 |
| mvo | cjwatson: thanks, maybe something odd in my chroot | 13:56 |
| * mvo investigates | 13:56 | |
| mvo | cjwatson: right, my bad. the fix is fine | 13:58 |
| ogra_cmpc | johnny, btw, could you try setting /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current and /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default to metacity and see if it doesnt crash with that ? | 13:59 |
| ogra_cmpc | (in gconf-editor) | 13:59 |
| johnny | it crashes before i get a chance | 14:00 |
| johnny | i'm just going to put at-properties in /etc/xdg/autostart | 14:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | it uses your default desktiop | 14:00 |
| johnny | with autostart disabled | 14:00 |
| johnny | oh.. that's a seperate thing | 14:02 |
| johnny | i was thinking of something else | 14:02 |
| johnny | oops | 14:02 |
| johnny | what uses my default desktop? | 14:02 |
| cjwatson | mvo: ok, cool | 14:02 |
| ogra_cmpc | johnny, sabayon should use your default desktop | 14:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | as starting point | 14:03 |
| mvo | cjwatson: preparing the upload now | 14:03 |
| johnny | it says that key has been deprecated? | 14:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | if you switch the default to metacity it shouldnt choke on compiz | 14:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | johnny, thats an upstream comment ... its still used regardless | 14:04 |
| johnny | ok | 14:04 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje, cjwatson: I rolled out the langpack-o-matic fix to eliminate msgid==msgstr translations, FYI | 14:04 |
| ogra_cmpc | (we should probably fix teh text for final release) | 14:04 |
| johnny | same diff | 14:06 |
| johnny | it says it aborts and uses metacity, but that is too late | 14:07 |
| cjwatson | pitti: nice | 14:08 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ah, thanks for devscripts | 14:10 |
| mvo | ogra_cmpc: just tested it with Xepyhr and compiz, the fallback works ok for me | 14:26 |
| ogra | hmm, then it must be the way sabayon calls it i guess | 14:27 |
| mvo | ogra: if you can give me instructions how to reproduce I'm happy to have a look | 14:28 |
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| emgent`work | packages.ubuntu.com is down ? | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | not run by us, the same guy who runs packages.debian.org runs it | 16:30 |
| dholbach | Ubuntu Developer Week is going on, join #ubuntu-classroom | 16:30 |
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| selckin | really sucks ubuntu.org isn't what i think it is every time i type it in | 16:33 |
| infinity | pitti: gcc-3.3 was moved to universe without anyone realising that libgcc1 builds from gcc-3.3 on hppa. We ended up with override mismatches, DAK exploded, I cried. | 16:36 |
| pitti | infinity: oh, erk; thanks | 16:36 |
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| slangasek | tjaalton: eh... soft freeze, so I wouldn't have had any way to put it on hold if we needed to roll new CDs | 17:06 |
| mario_limonciell | slangasek, is there currently any intention of DVDs with this release? | 17:06 |
| mario_limonciell | <this alpha> | 17:06 |
| slangasek | mario_limonciell: no, that would get me yelled at about disk space | 17:07 |
| Chipzz | (sorry for the off-topic question; but does anyone know if there's a channel where the opers hang out?) | 17:10 |
| Chipzz | (#opers appears to be a no-go) | 17:11 |
| Pici | Chipzz: If you need to speak to freenode staff, #freenode is the place, for Ubuntu operators, you can try #ubuntu-irc or #ubuntu-ops. (depending on the type of issue, see the channel topics) | 17:18 |
| Chipzz | Pici: thx! | 17:23 |
| Chipzz | (I needed #freenode ;)) | 17:23 |
| pranith | hello, which channel do i join for the developer week irc's? | 17:42 |
| pranith | the bughelper session in particular? | 17:42 |
| Mithrandir | 17:30 < dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week is going on, join #ubuntu-classroom | 17:42 |
| pranith | thank you | 17:43 |
| Mithrandir | do we yet have any way to modify pam configs when packages get installed? | 18:21 |
| Mithrandir | I'd like libpam-ck-connector.so to be added, either programatically or to the default config | 18:21 |
| slangasek | there's auth-client-config | 18:24 |
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| slangasek | for intrepid I'm hoping for a reworked pam config framework | 18:25 |
| slangasek | but that didn't come along quickly enough for hardy | 18:25 |
| Mithrandir | this is for mobile, so I'd rather not install too much stuff like auth-client-config | 18:27 |
| Mithrandir | (and is that supposed to be driven from maintainer scripts?) | 18:27 |
| slangasek | dunno. that's all that exists today, though; the proper in-pam solution is still a cycle away | 18:29 |
| Riddell | evand, cjwatson: I've got a patch to add proxy support to ubiquity's qt side, is now a suitable time to commit it? | 18:33 |
| evand | Riddell: should be. I've already uploaded the fixed ubiquity for bug 193986 | 18:34 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 193986 in ubiquity "Ubiquity is locking up at 94% Configuring Hardware" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193986 | 18:34 |
| Riddell | evand: committed, hugs to nixternal | 18:35 |
| davmor2 | yeah | 18:36 |
| davmor2 | evand does that mean we'll have a new cd in a bit :) | 18:36 |
| evand | thanks Riddell and nixternal | 18:37 |
| evand | davmor2: eventually. ubiquity needs to build and the cd build system needs time to get the update and then make new images. | 18:37 |
| davmor2 | cool :) | 18:37 |
| bryce | cjwatson: you about? perhaps this would be a good time to talk with tjaalton about input-hotplug? | 18:40 |
| evand | bryce: I believe he left around :15 | 18:40 |
| tjaalton | slangasek: uh ok, will remember it the next time ((=won't happen again) | 18:41 |
| evand | not sure when he'll be back though | 18:41 |
| bryce | oh, ok, too bad | 18:41 |
| tjaalton | bryce: my gprs-connection is busy downloading a java-plugin for FF, so it's quite laggy atm :) | 18:41 |
| bryce | boo java ;-) | 18:42 |
| bryce | tjaalton: anyway, with input-hotplug the question is how to get to a stable point - would it be easier to revert back to having input stuff specified in xorg.conf, or to complete the work for making input-hotplug function properly? | 18:43 |
| tjaalton | bryce: it would be easier to revert back | 18:44 |
| bryce | tjaalton: given that we may not know what bugs may appear even after turning input-hotplug on, maybe that would be the safest thing to do? | 18:45 |
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| tjaalton | bryce: indeed | 18:48 |
| bryce | tjaalton: what is your opinion? | 18:48 |
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| tjaalton | bryce: I'm leaning towards status quo, and bringing back the synaptics entries to dexconf | 18:51 |
| tjaalton | since hal upstream is not helping | 18:51 |
| * bryce nods | 18:52 | |
| bryce | tjaalton: I think I agree; last I talked with cjwatson he was of similar mind | 18:52 |
| tjaalton | maybe we could ship a script which generates an fdi-file from xkb configuration so people can start using it if they like | 18:54 |
| bryce | that's a good idea | 18:55 |
| bryce | tjaalton: also expectations are going to be that with input-hotplug that things work at least as well as in gutsy, but since things are still not fully matured upstream with this, it's hard to guarantee | 18:58 |
| bryce | also, I'm a bit worried about that we don't have config utilities yet, so even with input-hotplug working, people will find it difficult to customize beyond the defaults | 18:59 |
| tjaalton | yeah, and because upstream input maintainers hate every single component that is related... even the evdev driver deserves a rewrite :P | 18:59 |
| bryce | yup | 19:00 |
| bryce | ok sounds like a decent plan - do you want to do the dexconf reverts, or would you like my help with that? | 19:00 |
| tjaalton | either works, although I'm away most of this week so it would have to wait until Monday | 19:01 |
| bryce | I think Monday would be soon enough | 19:02 |
| tjaalton | yeah | 19:02 |
| bryce | I'll go ahead and outline this plan to cjwatson and on the bug report | 19:02 |
| tjaalton | ok cool | 19:03 |
| jdong | hey while I have you two here.... I'm having an intriguing xorg-video-intel bug | 19:04 |
| jdong | seems like if I use xvideo, suspend and resume then use xvideo again, X hangs and only lets me move the mouse | 19:04 |
| jdong | I can't click anything, keyboard totally locked, power button doesn't respond either | 19:04 |
| jdong | (Compiz, EXA, greedy migration). Any clues? | 19:05 |
| tjaalton | jdong: doesn't sound familiar.. filed a bug yet? | 19:09 |
| jdong | tjaalton: not yet, I'll reconfirm a few times and then file a bug if it's reproducible | 19:10 |
| tjaalton | ok | 19:11 |
| jdong | tjaalton: actually, the problem is more trivial than that to reproduce | 19:18 |
| jdong | tjaalton: xv+compiz seems to randomly | 19:18 |
| jdong | destroy the display | 19:18 |
| jdong | ~. | 19:19 |
| jdong | ~. | 19:19 |
| bryce | jdong, check through the bugs against -input; xvideo issues after suspend/resume sounds vaguely familiar | 19:22 |
| bryce | jdong: I've not looked into that issue myself yet, but it is likely an acpi and/or kernel issue (and so probably highly chipset-specific) | 19:24 |
| jdong | bryce / tjaalton after today's updates it seems like compiz+xvideo = hardlock on my macbook | 19:24 |
| jdong | it wasn't like this a few days ago | 19:24 |
| bryce | jdong: well the only change we've put in recently is the greedy patch stuff | 19:24 |
| bryce | which only affects 965 | 19:24 |
| jdong | bryce: hmm just rolled back to -video-intel 2ubuntu6 and that worked fine | 19:28 |
| jdong | lemme apply the upgrade again and see what happens | 19:28 |
| bryce | jdong, hmm also try out 2ubuntu5. iirc 2ubuntu7 merely reverted the patch in 2ubuntu6 | 19:30 |
| jdong | nope 6 and 7 both happen | 19:36 |
| jdong | but it's all pretty random | 19:36 |
| bryce | hrm | 19:41 |
| bryce | ok, so it still happens with both 2ubuntu6 and 2ubuntu7? | 19:42 |
| bryce | 2ubuntu2 would probably be the next to try - 3 and 4 were mainly quirk releases iirc | 19:43 |
| bryce | jdong, ok anyway, please file a bug with as much info as you can gather (I'll probably forget our discussion here, so please summarize), and I'll take a look into it when I get a chance | 19:44 |
| jdong | bryce: indeed, I'll have to find some time to look into this more thoroughly | 19:49 |
| jdong | bryce: the combination core 1ubuntu3 and intel ubuntu6 seems to work | 20:02 |
| jdong | but core 1ubuntu4 with all intel versions seems to fail | 20:02 |
| jdong | I'll test this for the rest of the afternoon and let you know if this is wrong | 20:03 |
| bryce | cool thanks | 20:03 |
| bryce | so it is starting to sound like the issue may be that greedy fails on your hardware..... something I worried about | 20:04 |
| bryce | you might also try setting your migration heuristic to "always" (see man exa) | 20:05 |
| bryce | jdong: what does your `lspci | grep VGA` say? | 20:06 |
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| alex-weej | debugging network-manager via my mum on the phone is not even funny | 20:34 |
| mrsno | alex-weej :) i was doing tech support via sms the other day, /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ipw3945/0000:02:01.0 is not easy to type :< | 20:36 |
| alex-weej | hehe | 20:36 |
| Elly | which package do the man pages for the pthreads functions (e.g.: pthread_create) live in? | 20:37 |
| Chipzz | Elly: off-hand, without checking, I would say manpages-dev | 20:41 |
| Chipzz | Elly: but this is not the right channel blablabla :), use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ ;) | 20:42 |
| Elly | Chipzz: I have manpages-dev installed already :P I just noticed there are no man pages for pthreads only - I have manpages for all the system calls and stuff, just pthreads docs appear to be missing | 20:53 |
| Chipzz | I betcha I can find it with one google search and one lookup on p.u.c :P | 20:54 |
| Chipzz | so, so should you :P | 20:54 |
| Elly | aha | 20:55 |
| Elly | thanks :) | 20:55 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: You'll be glad to hear that Ubuntu Alt's aren't too bad. Firefox applet is missing and bluetooth applet has vanished. | 20:56 |
| TheMuso | Do we have CDs tat need testing? | 21:01 |
| slangasek | TheMuso: more testing wouldn't hurt; I'm about to reroll all the images and the liveCDs are currently uninstallable, but more feedback on the current alternates could still be useful | 21:03 |
| slangasek | otherwise, give it a couple of hours and we'll have a whole new set | 21:03 |
| TheMuso | slangasek: I can wait, thanks for the heads up. | 21:03 |
| NthDegree | Got a technical question: Is there any plans to add more proactive security to future compiles of Ubuntu? (Sorry if this is OT, but neither the wiki or the support channels really seem to know) | 21:03 |
| slangasek | davmor2: hopefully the changes that cjwatson_ made fix that problem for Ubuntu as well as Kubuntu | 21:03 |
| NthDegree | by proactive security I mean fortify_source and other such compiler features | 21:04 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: we shall see in a bit I'm sure :) | 21:04 |
| ScottK2 | NthDegree: Try in #ubuntu-hardened | 21:05 |
| doko | Mithrandir: thanks for the brightness fix! | 21:10 |
| Mithrandir | doko: it helps you too? | 21:10 |
| doko | Mithrandir: package is not yet available, but currently the screen is dimmed after about 5sec of inactivity and doesn't come back to full brightness after pressing a key | 21:11 |
| Mithrandir | ugh, ok. I'm not sure it'll fix that. | 21:12 |
| slangasek | new kubuntu alternate CDs are up for testing, now with a properly-sized amd64 ISO | 21:18 |
| slangasek | davmor2: ^^ if you're keen to test whether the task issue is resolved for kubuntu alternate | 21:19 |
| * Treenaks pokes >5 of his own bugs (does that count? :)) | 21:19 | |
| RussellGee | Hi huys | 21:19 |
| slangasek | TheMuso: for 5-a-day? yes... :) | 21:19 |
| slangasek | er | 21:19 |
| Treenaks | slangasek: whoo :) | 21:19 |
| Treenaks | slangasek: the other t<tab> :) | 21:19 |
| slangasek | TheMuso: sorry, that was for Treenaks | 21:19 |
| davmor2 | cool I'll check it out in a second | 21:19 |
| Gee | Hi guys | 21:21 |
| Gee | When will alpha 5 be released now ? | 21:21 |
| Gee | Anyone ? | 21:23 |
| Treenaks | Gee: well.. I guess when people get around to it | 21:23 |
| NthDegree | ScottK2: what's the development status of hardy like for a user interested in KDE 3.5.x? | 21:23 |
| ScottK2 | NthDegree: --> #kubuntu-devel | 21:24 |
| ScottK2 | NthDegree: If you join in #kubuntu-devel we can discuss there. | 21:25 |
| slangasek | Gee: tomorrow, as noted at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-February/000381.html | 21:25 |
| persia | slangasek: It's already "tomorrow" for some of us :p | 21:26 |
| * persia isn't advocating early release, just global timezones | 21:26 | |
| Treenaks | persia: those people just need some adjustment to proper time zones ;) | 21:26 |
| slangasek | persia: yes, but not in Ubuntu Temps Coordonné | 21:27 |
| Gee | Weird, Im on the mailing list but i never got the announcement | 21:27 |
| Gee | Ok, thanks | 21:27 |
| Treenaks | the mailinglist is slow somehow | 21:27 |
| Treenaks | I got sabdfl's "intrepid" announcement this morning | 21:27 |
| persia | slangasek: Fair, but I thought releases happened in -9 or something these days anyway :) | 21:27 |
| slangasek | persia: -8, yes... :) | 21:28 |
| slangasek | Treenaks: sabdfl's mail to u-d-a was delayed because it hadn't been moderated; I moderate my own mails to u-d-a so that's not related | 21:28 |
| Treenaks | slangasek: US/West? | 21:28 |
| slangasek | Treenaks: US/Pacific, yes | 21:28 |
| Treenaks | slangasek: sabdfl's mail to u-d-a was in the archives >12hrs before I received it | 21:29 |
| Treenaks | slangasek: but I admit I might have to spank my postfix, because it does weird things (like giving spurious 4xx statuses) sometimes | 21:30 |
| davmor2 | slangasek: do you know if the images are on the rsync server? | 21:32 |
| slangasek | davmor2: well, you should be able to find out quickly enough if you use the date serial (20080221.1) in your rsync command | 21:37 |
| slangasek | it's either there or it's not :) | 21:37 |
| Treenaks | slangasek: ooh.. suspense! :) | 21:37 |
| slangasek | mr_pouit, somerville32: any plans to fix the size problems on xubuntu alternate for alpha-5? | 21:39 |
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| emgent | heya | 21:52 |
| Nafallo | emgent: hiya | 21:53 |
| jdong | bryce: just an update, it's neither -core nor intel causing the problem, I experienced a freeze on a subsequent reboot using the setup I detailed above. Looks like on some reboots though the system works like a dream while on others just starting up mplayer hardlocks the system | 21:56 |
| jdong | bryce: so yeah, I'll try setting migration heuristics to Always when I get a chance to and report back | 21:56 |
| bryce | weird, ok | 21:56 |
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| jdong | yeah this is really strange, because before everything worked fine | 21:57 |
| jdong | I did apply the keyboard firmware and "video update" from OS X this morning | 21:57 |
| jdong | the former sounds irrelevant, the latter sounds fishy | 21:58 |
| jdong | though I understood it as an OS X driver update that should not do anything to the hardware | 21:58 |
| * jdong cries a bit | 21:58 | |
| TheMuso | Does anybody knw why -es langpacks are broken? | 22:11 |
| * TheMuso is looking at UbuntuStudio's disk report. | 22:11 | |
| slangasek | TheMuso: which package, specifically? | 22:17 |
| TheMuso | language-support, language-support-translations language-support-writing, mozilla locales, and thunderbird locales, all the -es stuff. | 22:19 |
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| geser | TheMuso: LP ate ispanish | 22:20 |
| geser | (and some other ispell dicts) | 22:21 |
| TheMuso | geser: THanks, I'll just yank that langpack for now. | 22:21 |
| geser | TheMuso: I see now that it should be back | 22:23 |
| geser | it has a published record again | 22:23 |
| slangasek | geser: hrm, still missing from the Packages file though | 22:25 |
| TheMuso | Meh, I'll just yank it for now, we can do without it for an alpha. | 22:26 |
| geser | hmm, when I look at the dates at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/ispanish/+index for the first entry, I'm not sure it should be there or not | 22:26 |
| Keybuk | ?! | 22:26 |
| Keybuk | we don't put users in the users group? | 22:26 |
| geser | "Published on 2008-02-14" and "Removed from disk on 2008-02-16" | 22:27 |
| Nafallo | Keybuk: defaults to their own group AFAIK. | 22:28 |
| Nafallo | Keybuk: I usually change that first thing on servers though ;-) | 22:28 |
| geser | cprov: do you know how the current status of ispanish is? should it appear on a.u.c. again? | 22:28 |
| cprov | geser: what does LP say ? | 22:29 |
| geser | the status column says published but when I expand the entry and look at the dates I'm not sure anymore | 22:30 |
| geser | cprov: because of "Published on 2008-02-14" and "Removed from disk on 2008-02-16" | 22:30 |
| cprov | geser: it was badly rescued by me, let me fix it. | 22:31 |
| cprov | geser: I will fix it later LPDB is down and I have to go. What matters is the date published ... it should be in the a.u.c, it looks like a mirroring issues | 22:34 |
| geser | cprov: thanks, I see that idutch has a date for "removal request" after the date of "published". Could it make a problem it the future? it is currently on a.u.c | 22:36 |
| cprov | geser: yes, it's very confusing I will make it pending again (with empty dates) so we can be sure it will end up in the archive pool | 22:38 |
| geser | cprov: icatalan and ilithuanian are in the same situation as idutch (with ispell that are the four package I could find which were affected) | 22:40 |
| cprov | geser: sure, the ones that I've changes before. | 22:40 |
| geser | s/ispell/ispanish/ | 22:40 |
| geser | cprov: thanks for fixing it | 22:41 |
| cprov | geser: the files will be published correctly in the next publishing cycle, they should reach the mirror in 1 hour or so. | 22:53 |
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| slangasek | oh argh, now why do I have an oversized amd64 liveCD where it wasn't before? | 23:14 |
| * Nafallo is not sure he will even try to answer that one ;-) | 23:15 | |
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| Keybuk | pitti: not around I guess? | 23:49 |
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