[00:00]  * nixternal wonders how much it costs to have a couple of nice posters/stands made up
[00:00] <Riddell> hmm, Hobbsee's fallen asleep
[00:00] <nixternal> hehe
[00:00] <apachelogger_> apparently
[00:00] <Riddell> emonkey: are you going for membership?
[00:00] <coreymon77> hi
[00:00] <coreymon77> im back
[00:00] <apachelogger_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Emonkey
[00:00] <nixternal> Riddell: her gnome locked up probably :)
[00:00] <apachelogger_> lol
[00:00] <emonkey> Riddell, It would be cool
[00:01] <emonkey> nixternal, here is a photo of the poster http://www.kubuntu-de.org/bilder/events/linuxtag-2007
[00:01] <coreymon77> emonkey: wow! impressive
[00:02] <Riddell> emonkey: why do you like Kubuntu?
[00:02] <nixternal> gah, stupid LP
[00:02] <nixternal> emonkey: thanks!
[00:03] <neversfelde> Riddell: I think we will buy another one. It is to expensive to send it back and forth. Do youn need it in Prague?
[00:03] <nixternal> emonkey: that would be a great picture, but you have some big silly looking dude in it wearing an amarok t-shirt..wonder who that could be? :)
[00:03] <emonkey> Riddell, because it was the distro which has freed me from windows and I like KDE. I use it on every pc an laptop I own. It's just the best OS that I've ever seen.
[00:03]  * apachelogger_ checks that pic
[00:03] <emonkey> nixternal, lol
[00:03] <coreymon77> Riddell: i say give it to him, if my vote makes any difference
[00:04] <nixternal> emonkey: if there was one area in Kubuntu that you could work right now, which would it be and why?
[00:04] <apachelogger_> indeed, who's that handsome guy?
[00:04] <nixternal> I didn't see me in that pic
[00:05] <apachelogger_> pfft
[00:05] <emonkey> nixternal, I think It's the best if I do every time as much as possible in the area where it's possible to do something.
[00:05] <nixternal> groovy
[00:05] <emonkey> tomorrow I'll have my first C++ lesson, maybe  I can do some coing stuff in future ... Would be cool too.
[00:05] <nixternal> damn, you beat me to the future question :)
[00:06] <emonkey> s/coing/coding/
[00:06] <apachelogger_> emonkey: you get employed to work on kubuntu what would you want to do most of the time?
[00:06] <emonkey> I really like to be on booths and I want to be on them in future too.
[00:06] <Riddell> anyone able to advocate emonkey?  neversfelde?
[00:07]  * Nightrose cheers for emonkey :)   \o/
[00:07] <coreymon77> Riddell: ive seen neversfelde around on the #kubuntu channel alot
[00:07] <emonkey> apachelogger_, good question, I think maybe to enhance all the little things which still aren't perfect.
[00:07] <coreymon77> emonkey: such as?
[00:07] <nixternal> emonkey: technical wise, are there any areas involved with Kubuntu development that currently interests you? and if so, are you working in those areas and if not, what are your plans in order to get involved into those areas?
[00:07] <neversfelde> emonkey is responsible that the forum is still alived.
[00:07] <emonkey> coreymon77, PIM
[00:08] <coreymon77> emonkey: okay
[00:08]  * neversfelde cheers for emonkey
[00:08] <coreymon77> emonkey: btw, i may have missed it from before, but what is the reason that you want membership in the first place?
[00:08]  * apachelogger_ throws his sonic screwdriver at neversfelde
[00:09] <emonkey> nixternal, I don't know if my coding skill will ever be good enough but if it's possible, I would love to get into developement. The first would be to patch some things an create some diffs and things like that.
[00:10] <emonkey> coreymon77, I'm already ubuntu member but primarly I'm Kubuntu and it would be cool to be a part of it. It' just a step to make something in the direction I want to go.
[00:10] <coreymon77> oh
[00:10] <coreymon77> okay
[00:11] <apachelogger_> emonkey: what, in your opinion, makes kubuntu different from other KDE based distros?
[00:11] <coreymon77> neversfelde: and you?
[00:11] <emonkey> apachelogger_, one importent point: it's debian based but more actual then etch and more actual then sid
[00:12] <nixternal> emonkey: you have obviously been around for a while, my final questions is...what took you so long to consider membership?
[00:13] <neversfelde> coreymon77: I want to strengthen my attachment to kubuntu and I want to contribute also in the international community
[00:14] <emonkey> nixternal, ay .. ahm ... because it was nothing which I needed to do the work Ive done till now. But I thought about it for a long time.
[00:14] <Riddell> +1 to emonkey for keeping kubuntu-de alive
[00:14] <emonkey> Today it was a good moment and I thought I should risk it. :)
[00:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee, awake?
[00:14] <coreymon77> i like him too
[00:14] <nixternal> +1 here
[00:14] <Hobbsee> bwah?
[00:14] <coreymon77> if my opinion/vote counts at all
[00:14] <Hobbsee> er, i'm awake, can i vote later?
[00:14] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you owe 2 votes, 1 for neversfelde and 1 for emonkey
[00:15] <seele> have there been applicants who have been rejected?
[00:15] <nixternal> yup
[00:15] <coreymon77> seele: yup
[00:15] <nixternal> couple of years ago, but yes :)
[00:15] <apachelogger_> lol
[00:15] <coreymon77> seele: i was my first time, when i did it through ubuntu
[00:16] <seele> kubuntu has more love
[00:16] <Hobbsee> neversfelde: +1, emonkey shouldn't have even needed to come thru here due to his ubuntu-membership
[00:16] <Hobbsee> that being said, +1 to him too
[00:16] <seele> woo.. were stealing ubunteros?  sweet
[00:16] <Riddell> emonkey: congratulations!
[00:16] <coreymon77> once again, if my vote counts, i say +1 to both of them
[00:16] <coreymon77> congrats!
[00:16] <emonkey> thank you all very much :)
[00:17] <neversfelde> thank you
[00:17] <coreymon77> emonkey: you deserve it
[00:17] <coreymon77> neversfelde: you too
[00:17] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I think we should end the meeting and start partying in #kubuntu-devel
[00:17] <yuriy> congrats new members
[00:17] <Riddell> i think I should go to bed :)
[00:17] <Riddell> anyone going to FOSDEM?
[00:17] <coreymon77> yay!
[00:18] <apachelogger_> <-- going to FOSDEM, somehow
[00:18] <nixternal> emonkey: congrats!!!
[00:18] <Nightrose> <------- FOSDEM
[00:18] <Nightrose> ;-)
[00:18] <emonkey> nixternal, thank you :)
[00:18] <neversfelde> would like to, but exam is in july
[00:18] <coreymon77> emonkey: yay!
[00:18] <Riddell> see you for beer on friday
[00:18] <Riddell> thanks all
[00:19] <Riddell> goodnight friends
[00:19] <apachelogger_> nini
[00:19] <Nightrose> nini Riddell
[00:19] <coreymon77> i take it the meeting is over huh?
[00:19] <neversfelde> n8 Riddell
[00:20] <coreymon77> okay then
[00:25] <Hobbsee> yes
[00:26] <coreymon77> this meeting is officially called to a close
[00:27]  * coreymon77 slams the gavel down on the woof
[00:27] <coreymon77> wood*
[00:27] <coreymon77> just for the fun og it
[00:27] <coreymon77> of*
[01:54] <bmk789> @schedule
[01:54] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 21 Feb 14:00: Desktop Team | 21 Feb 20:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 07:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 12:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 21:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 14:00: Desktop Team
[01:54] <bmk789> @schedule EST
[01:54] <ubotu> Schedule for EST: 21 Feb 09:00: Desktop Team | 21 Feb 15:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 02:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 07:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 16:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 09:00: Desktop Team
[12:50] <effie_jayx> @now
[12:50] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 12:50:55 - Next meeting: Desktop Team in 1 hour 9 minutes
[12:51] <effie_jayx> @schedule
[12:51] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 21 Feb 14:00: Desktop Team | 21 Feb 20:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 07:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 12:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 21:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 14:00: Desktop Team
[12:51] <effie_jayx> @schedule | caracas
[12:52] <effie_jayx> @schedule | America/Caracas
[12:52] <stgraber> effie_jayx: try without the |
[12:52] <effie_jayx> @schedule | Caracas
[12:52] <effie_jayx> stgraber,  ahhh
[12:52] <effie_jayx> @schedule  caracas
[12:52] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Caracas: 21 Feb 10:00: Desktop Team | 21 Feb 16:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 03:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 08:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 17:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 10:00: Desktop Team
[12:59] <ubuntuwestbengal> is there anyone here from the community council??
[12:59] <ubuntuwestbengal> please tell me?
[13:35] <posingaspopular> @now
[13:35] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 13:35:20 - Next meeting: Desktop Team in 24 minutes
[13:39] <pitti> hi
[13:39] <emgent> hi pitti :)
[13:52] <coolbhavi> Hi <posingaspopular>
[13:59] <Keybuk> Hello
[14:00] <MacSlow> greetings
[14:00] <seb128> hey
[14:00] <Keybuk> Let's get started
[14:00] <Keybuk> We have no outstanding actions from previous meetings
[14:00] <Keybuk> (\o/)
[14:01] <Keybuk> so first agenda item: 5-A-Day
[14:01] <Keybuk> Jono and his team have asked me to remind you all about 5-A-Day
[14:01] <MacSlow> I know... but I was only able to fix one (part of a spec) :/
[14:01] <Keybuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[14:01] <pitti> seb128 won't have any problem with touching 5 bugs :-P
[14:02] <Keybuk> with a couple of exceptions (kwwii - artist & MacSlow - working on some 8.10 pieces already), you should all be participating in this
[14:02] <seb128> pitti: I try doing 5-An-Hour ;-)
[14:02] <kwwii> art bugs are usually quite complicated and/or time consuming
[14:02] <kwwii> whew :-)
[14:02] <seb128> want to join? :-p
[14:02] <MacSlow> hm... I understood 5-a-day to be "fix 5 bugs a day"
[14:03] <seb128> MacSlow: you didn't read the wiki page?
[14:03] <pitti> well, 'touch'
[14:03] <MacSlow> seb128, you nasty show-off ;)
[14:03] <Keybuk> MacSlow: touch five bugs, not necessarily fix
[14:03] <pitti> like triage, or close, or something
[14:03] <pitti> fixing 5 bugs a day is indeed a challenge, unless you only look for trivial ones
[14:04] <MacSlow> pitti, no... I would always pick (unintentionally) the gory stuff :)
[14:06] <pitti> did I fall off the channel, or is it just quiet?
[14:06]  * MacSlow wonders too
[14:06] <Keybuk> just went quiet :-)
[14:06] <Keybuk> ok, no objections to 5-a-day
[14:06] <Keybuk> good
[14:06] <Keybuk> did I miss any agenda items from activity summaries?
[14:07] <MacSlow> not in my case
[14:07] <Keybuk> kwwii: Mirco is needing some icons
[14:07] <seb128> on a topic similar to 5 a day, there is the monthly report
[14:07] <tedg> No.
[14:08] <Keybuk> but hasn't had any response from the art team
[14:08] <MacSlow> just wondering if it's ok if I draw the missing three/two icons for the wncklet-tooltip myself... sofar I've got no reply on the ubuntu-art list to my request
[14:08] <Keybuk> any chance you could help with that?
[14:08] <kwwii> Keybuk: right, I'll take care of it if nobody else steps up
[14:08] <Keybuk> thanks
[14:08] <Keybuk> seb128: monthly report?
[14:08] <MacSlow> Keybuk, kwwii tried already... but suggested I ask on the art-list directly
[14:08] <MacSlow> kwwii, ah well ok
[14:08] <seb128> Keybuk: yes, the thing for jono
[14:08] <kwwii> MacSlow: if nobody responds by monday I'll take care of it
[14:09] <MacSlow> kwwii, I assume you've seen my first try at helping with finding usable metaphors for it.
[14:09] <Keybuk> seb128: I don't know that one?
[14:09] <kwwii> MacSlow: yepp, I saw that
[14:09] <lool> Keybuk: team activity summary
[14:09] <lool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[14:09] <MacSlow> kwwii, and only two are needed "Scale" and "Expo"... since "Zoom" is usually never exposed on a keybinding but a "mouse-"binding
[14:09] <lool> (IIUC)
[14:10] <kwwii> MacSlow: even better :-)
[14:10] <seb128> Keybuk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReportingPage
[14:10] <Keybuk> seb128: that seems to be somewhere between the weekly reports we send out from these meetings
[14:10] <Keybuk> and the monthly reports I give to Claire for the Canonical Monthly Report :-/
[14:11] <seb128> well, that's what the community team is doing for a few months
[14:12] <Keybuk> what kind of thing have you put in there in the past?
[14:12] <Keybuk> I guess your question is how should we fill that in now? :p
[14:12] <seb128> well
[14:12] <seb128> I've been bad at filling it as you can see
[14:13] <seb128> I wrote an "The team has actively worked on the Debian merges and updating GNOME to 2.21.2" once there
[14:13] <seb128> and that's about it
[14:13] <seb128> but jono send mails every month about that
[14:13] <Keybuk> heh
[14:13] <ubuntuwestbengal> is there anyone here from the community council?
[14:13] <seb128> and I would encourage other people to write things there if they want ;-)
[14:13] <Riddell> the mobile team is keen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/February2008
[14:13] <pitti> -ETOOMANYREPORTS
[14:13] <MacSlow> Keybuk, but that looks like the stuff you do sum up every week of the activity-reports
[14:13] <ubuntuwestbengal> or anyone else who i can talk to regarding approval for a Loco team?
[14:13] <seb128> pitti: my feeling too
[14:14] <Keybuk> jono: hi
[14:14] <jono> hey
[14:14] <MacSlow> ubuntuwestbengal, I think you would have to talk with jono
[14:14] <seb128> speaking about jono ;-)
[14:14] <Keybuk> so we're discussing the community team reporting page
[14:14] <ubuntuwestbengal> Mr Bacon?
[14:14] <MacSlow> ah... speaking of the devil.... hm... community-angel :)
[14:14] <lool> Riddell: I just sent an email to Ian complaining a little about the way he copy pastes reports into that page
[14:14] <ubuntuwestbengal> this is Parthsarathi Trivedi here from Ubuntu West Bengal
[14:14] <MacSlow> jono, hi there
[14:15] <seb128> ubuntuwestbengal: we are in the middle of a meeting right now, you might want to move that to query?
[14:15] <jono> what about the reporting page?
[14:15] <lool> For example he copy pasted my weekly mobile report into "Hildon desktop" which I didn't touch this week with things like "I booked tickets for Prague" -- my name doesn't appear anywhere, this is complete gibberish and nobdoy would care about this in the monthly report anyway
[14:15] <Keybuk> jono: so the desktop team has these weekly meetings
[14:15] <jono> Keybuk: right
[14:15] <Keybuk> from which I send out a meeting notes, which include the team member's activity summaries for that week
[14:15] <MacSlow> ubuntuwestbengal, better address jono with his nick so he does not miss any of you remarks you point to him
[14:15] <Keybuk> and those go on the desktopteam bit of the wiki
[14:15] <Keybuk> we also have the monthly report we send to claire
[14:16] <Keybuk> where within these does the monthly community team reporting fit? :)
[14:16] <jono> yep
[14:16] <jono> the primary aim of the monthy community report is to summarise what that team has been working on
[14:16] <pitti> who's the target audience for the monthly wiki reports?
[14:16] <jono> so maybe that would be taking key points from activity summaries
[14:16] <pitti> i. e. what kind of language shuold appear there?
[14:16] <MacSlow> pitti, yeah... I thought that's for the community anyway
[14:17] <jono> pitti: it is designed for any ubuntu contributor to get a picture of what is going on across the communityu
[14:17] <MacSlow> pitti, I mean the stuff scott sums up every week
[14:17] <jono> so it is expected that reasonably technical people will read it
[14:18] <seb128> my understanding is that we should have interesting changes there, ie: new gnome version, switched to policykit, etc
[14:18] <jono> seb128: indeed
[14:18] <jono> it would useful to not have too much detail, but key things the team has worked on
[14:18] <Keybuk> jono: it strikes me that the same general points could go into the Canonical Monthly Report too
[14:18] <jono> what I recommend in the process is that when I key item occurs, it is noted on a team reporting page for the team, and then once a month, those bullet points are moved to the main page
[14:19] <jono> Keybuk: abolsutely
[14:19] <jono> erm
[14:19] <jono> absolutely
[14:19] <Keybuk> which is due tomorrow ;)
[14:19] <jono> heh
[14:19] <Keybuk> as well
[14:19] <jono> Keybuk: :)
[14:19] <jono> Keybuk: indeed, much of this can be shared
[14:19] <seb128> ok, so Keybuk will copy the canonical monthly report on the wiki and we are done with this one? ;-)
[14:19] <Keybuk> so I guess we need to be able to highlight the key things the team has done
[14:19] <MacSlow> seb128, sounds eays :)
[14:19] <jono> sounds good :)
[14:20] <Keybuk> I don't mind scanning a month of activity summaries, since I do that anyway
[14:20] <MacSlow> easy
[14:20] <lool> Let's vote: who's in favor of Keybuk doing the summarizing?    ;-)
[14:20] <jono> I will reward you all with nice cheese
[14:20] <Keybuk> but it would certainly help me if you could highlight what you think are your key achievements
[14:20] <Keybuk> :p
[14:20] <MacSlow> lool, +1 :)
[14:20] <seb128> well, maybe the easier is for people to quickly add a line there when they land some revelant change
[14:20] <Keybuk> seb128: that would certainly be a help
[14:20] <seb128> like pitti "switched to jockey"
[14:21] <lool> I doubt anyone would truly think of this; unless nagged to do it
[14:21] <seb128> I can add a point when we have a new GNOME packaged
[14:21] <seb128> etc
[14:21] <Keybuk> jono: do you just pick things out of the wiki, or do you need them mailed to you?
[14:21] <seb128> lool: well, depending on the level of details, if that's adding a line a week that should be alright
[14:21] <jono> Keybuk: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting
[14:21] <jono> all explained there
[14:21] <pitti> seb128: my way of saying that is to flip a specification change, but at that point I could certainly add something to the wiki
[14:21] <Keybuk> jono: ok
[14:22] <lool> seb128: The thing is we need a reminder to do it; it's even worse than for the sponsoring queue since we don't receive an email when we do something cool
[14:22] <Keybuk> jono: so I guess I've been shanghied into being the nominated person ;)
[14:22] <lool> "From: Ubuntu Coolnes Bot; Subject: you did something cool, mention it in the wiki!"
[14:22] <seb128> lool: well, at leaast I let people know there is a wiki page and they can update it ;-)
[14:22] <Keybuk> ok, so Agenda Item: EVERYONE UPDATE THAT WIKI PAGE NOW!! :-)
[14:23] <jono> Keybuk: good man
[14:23]  * pitti $ echo 'teamreport https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReportingPage' >> .moin_aliases
[14:23] <lool> Right, having it hooked either to the activity reports or to the meetings makes sure we think of it from time to time
[14:23] <pitti> wednesday evening is a great time to update the page
[14:23] <pitti> it can be mentally tied to sending the weekly report
[14:24] <jono> right, lunchtime
[14:24] <jono> later all
[14:24] <lool> Yup; Keybuk: what about nagging about the team reporting when you nag about the weekly meeting and the activity report?
[14:24] <lool> Keybuk: I guess you have a template or you re-send the same message every week?
[14:25] <Keybuk> yup :-)
[14:25] <Keybuk> (actually I just go into my Sent folder, click "Edit as New Message" and "Send" again :)
[14:25] <lool> So if you can think of nagging us once, we'll be nagged forever
[14:26] <Keybuk> talking of which
 milestoned bugs </nag>
[14:26] <pitti> just added some stuff there
[14:26] <Keybuk> ok, I think that pretty much concludes that topic
[14:26] <seb128> thanks
[14:26] <Keybuk> please add amazing things to that wiki on an ongoing basis
[14:27] <Keybuk> I'll nag in my weekly reminder
[14:27] <Keybuk> and I'll collate them together for both jono's team reporting page, and for the Canonical Monthly Report
[14:27] <pitti> jono: I just added stuff to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReportingPage -- does it need to be more elaborate/better sentences/etc.?
[14:28] <jono> pitti: perfect - and then around the 22nd, take those points to the main report :)
[14:28]  * seb128 thinks it's good like that
[14:28] <jono> those are great pitti
[14:28] <jono> nice and succinct :)
[14:28] <Keybuk> ok, great
[14:28] <Keybuk> jono: thanks
[14:28] <jono> thanjs
[14:28] <jono> thanks
[14:28] <jono> back soon
[14:28] <Keybuk> that's it for the agenda I think
[14:29] <Keybuk> Any Other Business?
[14:30] <pitti> bugzzzzzzzzap o'clock!
[14:30] <Keybuk> indeed, nice short meeting, thanks everyone
[14:30] <Riddell> who's going to fosdem?
[14:30]  * MacSlow raises hand
[14:30] <pitti> thanks all
[14:30] <MacSlow> thanks indeed
[14:30]  * lool goes
[14:30] <Riddell> MacSlow: I'll buy you a free beer tomorrow :)
[14:30] <lool> Don't miss the presentation by Riddell on packaging!
[14:31] <MacSlow> Riddell, mvo and jorge too
[14:31] <Daviey> me going
[14:31] <MacSlow> Riddell, I'll arrive saturday... I live only ~140 km away and don't stay in brussels
[14:31] <MacSlow> Riddell, but then... I can surely come over in the evening
[14:32] <MacSlow> lool, don't worry... that's already marked in my big FOSDEM-talks-to-attend-schedule
[14:32]  * mvo waves
[14:34] <MacSlow> Riddell, wasn't there a wiki-page on the friday-evening-events for FOSDEM'08 somewhere?
[14:34] <mvo> MacSlow: do you drive by car?
[14:34] <MacSlow> mvo, so ist es
[14:35] <MacSlow> I mean yes
[14:35] <MacSlow> mvo, you'll hit Bruxelles on friday too?
[14:35] <Riddell> MacSlow: http://www.fosdem.org/2008/beerevent
[14:35] <mvo> MacSlow: yes, around 20:30 or so
[14:35] <mvo> also I didn't find the beerevent appealing
[14:36] <MacSlow> I won't be able to be there at 20:30... I've capoeira from 18:00-20:00
[14:36] <MacSlow> on friday
[14:36]  * mvo nods
[14:38] <MacSlow> hi dholbach_
[14:41]  * MacSlow heads for food-injection
[15:12] <caspu> Hi there
[15:41] <igorgue> @schedule
[15:41] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 21 Feb 20:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 07:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 12:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 21:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 14:00: Desktop Team | 29 Feb 12:00: MOTU
[16:37] <ubuntuwestbengal> Mr Jono?
[16:37] <ubuntuwestbengal> are you there?
[16:38] <ubuntuwestbengal> Mr Bacon?
[16:38] <ubuntuwestbengal> sir, are you there?
[16:38] <jono> ubuntuwestbengal: yes
[16:39] <ubuntuwestbengal> Sir, i just wanted to know the status of my application for the LocO team
[16:40] <jono> let me check
[16:40] <ubuntuwestbengal> which i had submitted to you via email a few days back
[16:40] <jono> ubuntuwestbengal: could you provide more detail in your roadmap please
[16:41] <ubuntuwestbengal> surely sir
[16:41] <ubuntuwestbengal> but it would be helpful if you could give me ideas on how i can broaden our roadmap
[16:42] <ubuntuwestbengal> since you are so experienced sir, i would appreciate your advice
[16:42] <jono> ubuntuwestbengal: just provide more detail of specific things you seek to achieve
[16:42] <ubuntuwestbengal> ok sir
[16:42] <ubuntuwestbengal> and sir do i have to be present for any Community Council meeting?
[16:42] <ubuntuwestbengal> for the approval process?
[16:43] <ubuntuwestbengal> or will i be notified via an email?
[16:43] <jono> ubuntuwestbengal: yes - let me approve it first and then you can go to the CC
[16:43] <ubuntuwestbengal> alright sir
[16:44] <ubuntuwestbengal> i am adding ideas i had gathered earlier to the roadmap right now
[16:44] <janquark> jono_excuse me if I just pop in, I have added myself to the agenda for
[16:44] <janquark> the membership for ubuntu memebers
[16:44] <janquark> and I just wanted to ask if I may attend to the meeting today
[16:44] <jono> np
[16:45] <janquark> great :)
[16:45] <posingaspopular> how much longer till the CC meeting? (sorry if im interrupting anotherone)
[16:46] <janquark> I think it starts at 20.00 UTC so in 3 hours I gues
[16:47] <posingaspopular> great, thanks janquark
[16:47] <janquark> you can check it here too https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda posingaspopular
[16:48] <posingaspopular> janquark: i have the page bookmarked, im just bad at converting UTC. need more practice :P okay thanks alot /me goes back to work
[16:54] <ubuntuwestbengal> Mr Bacon sir here is the link again https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu_West_Bengal_ApprovalApplication
[16:54] <ubuntuwestbengal> We have updated the roadmap
[16:54] <ubuntuwestbengal> kindly take a look
[16:59] <janquark> ubuntuwestbengal: may I say that I like the site  very much
[16:59] <ubuntuwestbengal> thank you so much sir
[17:00] <ubuntuwestbengal> we are doing our best to increase the standards of our content over time
[17:00] <janquark> I am always impressed how Ubuntu can connect people and peoples from the whol world
[17:00] <janquark> whole*
[17:02] <ubuntuwestbengal> we are in love with Ubuntu here. Its spreading like wildfire in this part of the world
[17:03] <janquark> good to here. IMHO Ubuntu is the future of computer operating systems
[17:05] <janquark> ubuntuwestbengal: if you want I can write an article for my online newspaper dealing with the popularity of Ubuntu in your country?
[17:06] <ubuntuwestbengal> sir that would be brilliant
[17:06] <janquark> see here is my page  http://laiconic.quotaless.com/  but you would have to provide some pieces of information for me
[17:07] <ubuntuwestbengal> sir if you could provide me with your email id i will submit an article to you on the popularity of Ubuntu in my country
[17:07] <ubuntuwestbengal> i will send you a complete article which you can use for your newspaper
[17:07] <janquark> that would be great my email :     laiconic.studio@googlemail.com
[17:07] <ubuntuwestbengal> thank you
[17:07] <janquark> I am looking forward to read it
[17:08] <ubuntuwestbengal> i will send it to you within two days
[17:08] <ubuntuwestbengal> as i have to gather quotes from users
[17:08] <ubuntuwestbengal> here
[17:08] <janquark> :) you have plenty of time, do not rush yourself :)
[17:08] <ubuntuwestbengal> :)
[17:19] <protonchris> @schedule denver
[17:19] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Denver: 21 Feb 13:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 00:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 05:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 14:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 07:00: Desktop Team | 29 Feb 05:00: MOTU
[17:30] <pochu> @schedule
[17:30] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 21 Feb 20:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 07:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 12:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 21:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 14:00: Desktop Team | 29 Feb 12:00: MOTU
[17:41] <arualavi> @schedule andorra
[17:41] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Andorra: 21 Feb 21:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 08:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 13:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 22:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 15:00: Desktop Team | 29 Feb 13:00: MOTU
[17:54] <posingaspopular> @now
[17:54] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 17:54:40 - Next meeting: Community Council in 2 hours 5 minutes
[17:56] <ubuntuwestbengal> @now
[17:56] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 17:56:47 - Next meeting: Community Council in 2 hours 3 minutes
[18:04] <warp10> @schedule roma
[18:04] <warp10> @schedule rome
[18:04] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 21 Feb 21:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 08:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 13:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 22:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 15:00: Desktop Team | 29 Feb 13:00: MOTU
[18:04] <greg-g> @now
[18:04] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 18:04:32 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 55 minutes
[18:08] <ubuntuwestbengal> @now
[18:08] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 18:08:11 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 51 minutes
[18:08] <ubuntuwestbengal> @schedule india
[18:08] <ubuntuwestbengal> @schedule
[18:08] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 21 Feb 20:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 07:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 12:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 21:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 14:00: Desktop Team | 29 Feb 12:00: MOTU
[18:13] <janquark> @now
[18:13] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 18:13:55 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 46 minutes
[18:16] <ubuntuwestbengal> janquark: Mr Godawski sir, are you waiting for the CC meeting?
[18:17] <janquark> yes
[18:17] <janquark> waiting because I go for the ubuntu membership
[18:18] <ubuntuwestbengal> janquark: alright
[18:18] <janquark> quite nervous because I have never attend such a meeting so far
[18:19] <ubuntuwestbengal> janquark: you are not alone in that case!
[18:20] <ubuntuwestbengal> @now
[18:20] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 18:20:47 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 39 minutes
[18:21] <popey> @schedule
[18:21] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 21 Feb 20:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 07:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 12:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 21:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 14:00: Desktop Team | 29 Feb 12:00: MOTU
[18:23] <mayeco> @now
[18:23] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 18:23:55 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 36 minutes
[18:24] <mayeco> brb
[18:27] <ubuntuwestbengal> @now
[18:27] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 18:27:41 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 32 minutes
[19:07] <bbartek> @schedule
[19:07] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 21 Feb 20:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 07:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 12:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 21:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 14:00: Desktop Team | 29 Feb 12:00: MOTU
[19:09] <jag2kn> hi
[19:09] <hollman> hello
[19:10] <janquark> hi waiting for the CC meeting?
[19:10] <hollman> yes
[19:10] <janquark> me too :)
[19:11] <hollman> :D
[19:11] <jag2kn> :)
[19:11]  * janquark is a nervous member candidate
[19:12] <janquark> @now
[19:12] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 19:12:43 - Next meeting: Community Council in 47 minutes
[19:42] <hollman_> @now
[19:42] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 19:42:47 - Next meeting: Community Council in 17 minutes
[19:46] <nxvl_work> @now
[19:46] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 19:46:38 - Next meeting: Community Council in 13 minutes
[19:46] <nxvl_work> @now Lima
[19:46] <ubotu> Current time in America/Lima: February 21 2008, 14:46:45 - Next meeting: Community Council in 13 minutes
[19:46] <emgent> @schedule rome
[19:47] <nxvl_work> emgent: have you come to be part of my fan club?
[19:47] <nxvl_work> :P
[19:47] <totopalma> lol
[19:47] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 21 Feb 21:00: Community Council | 27 Feb 08:00: Platform Team | 27 Feb 13:00: Education Team | 27 Feb 22:00: Server Team | 28 Feb 15:00: Desktop Team | 29 Feb 13:00: MOTU
[19:47] <emgent> nxvl_work, lol
[19:48] <nxvl_work> emgent: btw, are attending to UDS?
[19:56] <hollman> @now
[19:56] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: February 21 2008, 19:56:11 - Current meeting: Community Council
[19:57]  * johnc4510 greets channel with a wave :)
[19:57] <mako> greetings
[19:57] <popey> moo
[19:57] <emgent> :)
[19:57] <posingaspopular> it's mako!
[19:57] <janquark> good evening all :)
[19:57] <johnc4510> spirit  lol
[19:58] <greg-g> hello all
[19:58] <Burgundavia> greets all
[19:58]  * johnc4510 welcomes tyche 
[19:58] <johnc4510> hey greg-g
[19:58] <tyche> Morning.
[19:58] <hollman> Good afternoon all
[19:58] <johnc4510> corey hello
[19:58] <MagicFab> hollman, :)
[19:58] <nxvl_work> hi all!
[19:58]  * effie_jayx waves
[19:58]  * nxvl_work dances
[19:58] <hollman> MagicFab ;)
[19:58] <TechnoViking> afternoon
[19:58] <SimonAnibal> afternoon
[19:59] <visualdeception> afternoon all
[19:59] <jpatrick> evening
[19:59] <johnc4510> 166 nicks in channel
[19:59] <craigaa> evening all
[19:59] <nxvl_work> \o> <o> \o/ <o/ \o>
[19:59] <bbartek> Hi all, laacque how are you?
[19:59] <chuckf> hi all. I'm here representing the Maryland Loco team. I am at work so if I miss my que, please be understanding
[19:59] <desertc> hello 166 nicks... 167.... 168...
[19:59] <leoquant> hee bbartek en laacque
[20:00] <jag2kn> hi
[20:00] <popey> chuckf: maximise IRC to full screen and put a sign on the back of your chair "DO NOT DISTURB!"
[20:00] <exile> hi
[20:00] <chuckf> popey yeah, that'll work
[20:00] <laacque> leoquant, what a coinvidence!
[20:00] <chuckf> :))
[20:00] <johnc4510> popey: hello
[20:00] <bbartek> we're here to support leoquant for his Ubuntu membership
[20:00] <gcleric> howdy everyone
[20:00] <MagicFab> I'm here for the Colombian team nomination - just as chuckf I' m on duty but my nick's mention will shake my chair
[20:00] <darkhole> hello there!!! folks!!
[20:00] <exile> hiere!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:01] <exile> go Leogg
[20:01] <exile> GO Leog
[20:01] <popey> it's gonna be a long one
[20:01] <exile> :D
[20:01] <johnc4510> yep
[20:01] <chuckf> can we do the loco teams first so we don't get fired?
[20:01] <ledanalf> leogg
[20:01] <ledanalf> leogg
[20:01] <ledanalf> leogg
[20:01] <ubuntuwestbengal> yes
[20:01] <mako> lets wait for more cc members to show up
[20:01] <ubuntuwestbengal> this is ubuntu team west bengal ready to be appproved any second
[20:01] <TechnoViking> hello all
[20:02] <popey> hi mike
[20:02] <SimonAnibal> chuckf, MagicFab, Wow, I'm here for Indiana in the same situation: at work. Of course my work is teaching, and my students are taking a quiet test ;-)
[20:02] <mdke> evening all
[20:02]  * posingaspopular is configurating a vista machine and *wants* to get fired
[20:02] <mdke> mako: Burgundavia is around too
[20:02] <effie_jayx> and I am here to cheer for both Colombia and Indiana
[20:02]  * schultmc is also here from the IndianaTeam
[20:02] <mako> mdke: dholbach is running a dev week session so won't be able to participate
[20:02] <jag2kn> is also here from the ColombianTeam  :D
[20:03] <ubuntuwestbengal> who do i talk to regarding LoCo team approval?
[20:03] <popey> ubuntuwestbengal: you'll be told when
[20:03] <mdke> mako: okay, are we expecting any others?
[20:03]  * SimonAnibal cheers for Colombia.
[20:03] <ubuntuwestbengal> right sir
[20:03]  * exile Cheers Nicaragua Go Leogg
[20:04]  * ledanalf thinks leogg is cool
[20:04] <hollman> yea SimonAnibal cheers
[20:04] <leogg> lol
[20:04] <johnc4510> clarke8: hey
[20:04] <clarke8> hi all
[20:04] <darkhole> I'm witk Colombian Team too
[20:05] <clarke8> hello johnc4510
[20:05] <mdke> perhaps we should get started. mako - are we still doing membership approvals? I'm going to struggle for time
[20:05] <popey> just texted jono as he isnt here
[20:05] <mdke> thanks popey
[20:05] <leoquant> are there any cc members?
[20:05] <popey> the first item is about offloading membership approvals
[20:05] <mdke> popey: that's come off the agenda now, it was approved some time back
[20:06] <mako> mdke: sure
[20:06] <popey> its still on the page
[20:06] <ubuntuwestbengal> mdke: i spoke to Mr Bacon a while back, he told me to submit my application on your agenda
[20:06] <ubuntuwestbengal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu_West_Bengal_ApprovalApplication
[20:06] <mdke> popey: i don't see it on my version
[20:07] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda ?
[20:07] <mdke> yeah
[20:07] <ubuntuwestbengal> yes sir
[20:07] <popey> ah, /ignore me
[20:07] <popey> soz
[20:07] <mdke> np
[20:07] <mdke> let's get going then
[20:07] <chuckf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarylandTeam/ApprovalApplication
[20:08] <mako> mdke: when do you turn into a pumpkin?
[20:08] <schultmc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianaTeam/ApprovalApplication
[20:08] <mdke> mako: I'm not quite sure; maybe an hour?
[20:08] <Burgundavia> I have 1.5 hours as well
[20:08] <mdke> great, elmo is here too
[20:09]  * ausimage wonders why jono demands so much from NY :(
[20:09] <mdke> we need jono for the first item, but my understanding from our thread on the mailing list was that he would remove it because we don't actually have an approval process for teams
[20:09] <MagicFab> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/ApprovalApplication
[20:09] <Burgundavia> shall we grind through the general agenda items?
[20:09] <elmo> sorry I'm late
[20:09] <mako> ok, so that's mdke, mako, Burgundavia, elmo
[20:09] <mdke> yes, let's begin with the general items - we'll come to local team approvals afterwards
[20:09] <mako> yes
[20:09] <chuckf> that's bad for me mdke
[20:09] <darkhole> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/ApprovalApplication
[20:09] <MikeB> I'm here
[20:09] <ubuntuwestbengal> mdke: no problem sir
[20:09] <darkhole> ups.. sorry
[20:09] <mako> oh, great' perfect
[20:09] <mako> MikeB: good to have you
[20:10] <chuckf> I cannot hang out here long,
[20:10] <mdke> we could do chuckf first then
[20:10] <ubuntuwestbengal> mdke: sir it is 130 am in my local time zone
[20:10] <chuckf> I had to bail once before on this
[20:11] <ubuntuwestbengal> mdke; i would just appreciate if it could be done a bit faster for my
[20:11] <mdke> ok, chuckf and then ubuntuwestbengal?
[20:11] <ubuntuwestbengal> application
[20:11] <ubuntuwestbengal> mdke
[20:11] <mako> fine
[20:11] <ubuntuwestbengal> oops
[20:11] <ubuntuwestbengal> yes
[20:11] <ubuntuwestbengal> thanks
[20:11] <mdke> ok. so chuckf is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarylandTeam/ApprovalApplication
[20:11] <ubuntuwestbengal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu_West_Bengal_ApprovalApplication
[20:11] <chuckf> that's me
[20:11] <mako> after that lets please stick to the schedule, we can't spent the rest of the time talking about process and order. we don't have time
[20:11] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: please wait until you're called upon
[20:11] <mako> that goes for everyone else too. lets try to be efficient
[20:11] <ubuntuwestbengal> mako: ok
[20:12] <mdke> chuckf: do you want to quickly summarise your team's major achievements and organisation?
[20:12] <mako> since multiple council members are time constrained
[20:12] <mdke> in the meantimie we'll read the page
[20:12] <mako> right, if you are planning on talking, please do take this time to write up summaries to paste in when you are called
[20:12] <chuckf> monthly meetings, a couple of planned presentations and install fests
[20:12] <chuckf> we've done three install fests to date and a presentation
[20:12] <mako> that goes for all locos and and member candidates who suspect they will go
[20:12] <chuckf> several members have had indivitual projects that have been ubuntu centric as well
[20:13] <Burgundavia> have had you had much contact with groovix?
[20:13] <sivang> hi all
[20:13] <ubuntuwestbengal> mako: i have already summarized the major achievements on the application sir
[20:13] <chuckf> we are currently expanding around the state with mini meetings
[20:13] <sivang> has anyone seen lousygarua ?
[20:13] <aeldor> any1 here knows amir eldor of ubuntu-il, plz PM me (important* no,rlly)
[20:13] <cyounkins> chuckf: actually we've only done 2 install fests.
[20:13] <mdke> chuckf: how is progress going with the roadmap? which items have been achieved, and which are you focusing on right now?
[20:13] <aeldor> sivang PM me now. i'm lousygarua bro
[20:14] <chuckf> mdke the roadmap is going well, with a focus on expanding around the state at the moment
[20:14] <Framer> hi leogg
[20:14] <chuckf> and an install fest next month
[20:14] <juliux> hi all
[20:14] <leogg> Framer, hi
[20:14] <exile> hi all
[20:15] <Burgundavia> have you had good attendance at your previous meetings
[20:15] <chuckf> we have an average of 7-10 with a maximum of about 2 dozen
[20:15] <juliux> sorry for being late :(
[20:15] <jimbo_> hello everyone
[20:15] <Karl_> hi leog, hi all
[20:15] <mdke> the roadmap looks good to me - my one comment would be that you should focus on developing the team and completing other items before you establish any sub-teams
[20:15] <chuckf> and that 7-10 rotates among regulars
[20:15]  * mako nods
[20:16] <chuckf> mdke we do what we can as we can
[20:16] <Burgundavia> I like the roadmap and the history of meetings
[20:16] <mako> the installfest pictures look successful
[20:16] <chuckf> we've had a few new ubuntu users from each one
[20:16] <mdke> chuckf: sure. But it can be tricky to establish subteams before the parent team is pretty well established
[20:16] <mako> your projects page is blank. do you guys have things in mind?
[20:17] <mako> i mean, it's ok to not have projects. i'm just wondering why you have the page :)
[20:17] <chuckf> projects are something that we need a few more stable things happening
[20:17] <chuckf> mako it's for the future
[20:17] <chuckf> if we come up with one, we are ready for it
[20:17] <chuckf> :))
[20:18] <mako> what is growth like? attendence at events?
[20:18] <juliux> chuckf, how many people are coming to your real life meetings?
[20:18] <chuckf> mako we grow at a slow rate
[20:18] <chuckf> but it is stable
[20:19] <chuckf> juliux real life meeting attendace is typically 7-10 people
[20:19] <juliux> wau
[20:19] <mdke> the team looks to me as if its going in the right direction and is well focused. Having said that, I'd presonally like to see it a bit more well established and getting some of those roadmap items completed before approval
[20:19] <chuckf> with the last few rotating as schedules allow
[20:19] <juliux> chuckf, i love real life meetings so good work that you have them regular
[20:19] <nbliang> sorry guys, a bit late. it's now 4.20am my time
[20:20] <mdke> any other thoughts?
[20:20] <Burgundavia> I think it looks good from my end
[20:20]  * mako nods to mdke 
[20:20] <chuckf> mdke approval will help with resources and those that want to see us 'official'
[20:20] <mako> but you've been around and seem to providing a good home for ubuntu in the locale
[20:21] <mako> one should always strive to keep the meetings to productive events ratio as low as possible
[20:21] <mdke> chuckf: which resources are you looking for that require approval?
[20:21] <chuckf> mdke from what I 've seen approved teams get more printed material for events
[20:22] <chuckf> we've been passing the jobs around to get hand made stuff for ourselves
[20:22] <mdke> right
[20:22] <chuckf> and footing the total costs out of our pockets
[20:22] <chuckf> media, flyers, etc
[20:23] <doctormo> chuckf: teams have to foot the bill for many things
[20:23] <chuckf> mako over the last year, I think the ratio is about 3/1
[20:23] <chuckf> and I do realize that doctormo but if I can get the occasional freebe from cannonical it would bolster team members a bit
[20:23] <mako> that's pretty good
[20:24] <doctormo> chuckf: I'm not so sure it would, the amount of free stuff is quite limited, more CDs and a few stickers won't increase your numbers. Events however will.
[20:24] <mako> alright, lets make a decision and move on
[20:24]  * mako nods to doctormo 
[20:24] <Burgundavia> +1 from me
[20:24] <MikeB> +1
[20:24] <mako> the primary purpose of recognitition is just that, recognition of work
[20:25] <chuckf> doctormo I'm focusing on the members that contribute now
[20:25] <mako> +1 from me, although i'll echo mdke's concerns and would like to see more progress. please keep reporting
[20:25] <mdke> ok, well I don't have a problem with approval - I don't think you are quite there yet but it sounds like you will go in the right direction so I don't have any concerns
[20:25] <mako> chuckf: loco teams should be outreach groups, not clubs
[20:25] <mdke> +1
[20:25] <mdke> elmo?
[20:25] <mako> whose next
[20:25] <ubuntuwestbengal> sir me
[20:25] <mako> west bengal, yes?
[20:25] <elmo> +1
[20:25] <ubuntuwestbengal> yes sir
[20:25] <chuckf> mako but without a club, we can't reach far:))
[20:26] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: please go ahead
[20:26] <chuckf> so we're approved then?
[20:26] <ubuntuwestbengal> sir
[20:26] <ubuntuwestbengal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu_West_Bengal_ApprovalApplication
[20:26] <mako> chuckf: i understand what you mean. but if you're treating it like a club, i think that's a problem
[20:26] <mdke> chuckf: yes, full marks. We hope to see you guys going from strenght to strength in the future
[20:26]  * mako nods 
[20:26] <cyounkins> Thank you.
[20:27] <mdke> chuckf: maybe you can come back and report with news on new stuff you are doing. Make sure to use the TeamReports resource
[20:27] <chuckf> mako it's a club that is open to all that want to participate
[20:27] <chuckf> mdke thanks, and I'll do that
[20:27] <mdke> ubuntuwestbengal: how have the events gone that you have done so far?
[20:28] <ubuntuwestbengal> sir the events have gone very successfully, with new ubuntu users emerging from every AV presentation
[20:28] <ubuntuwestbengal> sir we were not allowed to take pictures
[20:28] <ubuntuwestbengal> as this part of the world is a bit conservative
[20:28] <doctormo> chuckf: It's an advocasy group, linux users should join a lug not a Loco
[20:28] <mako> igorgue: your first event was february rd?
[20:28] <mako> sorry, that was for ubuntuwestbengal
[20:28] <igorgue> np
[20:28] <ubuntuwestbengal> mako: sir that was our first formal event
[20:28] <chuckf> doctormo and we do work with the lugs in the area
[20:28] <desertc> Hope not to take away from the discussion too much, but what is our position on partnering with commercial linux providers for sponsorship, where they can provide the funds for LoCo expenses?
[20:29] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: so, how have you been acive before that?
[20:29] <chuckf> anyway, i'm being called away, thanks all
[20:29] <Burgundavia> desertc: later
[20:29] <mako> chuckf: thanks for showing up. glad we could recognize your contributions :)
[20:29] <ubuntuwestbengal> make: sir we have always been here since last year
[20:29] <chuckf> thanks mako
[20:29] <ubuntuwestbengal> and we have beend distributing free CDs that we bought ourselves and burned
[20:30] <Burgundavia> ubuntuwestbengal: it looks like the team only existed since dec 2007?
[20:30] <mdke> ubuntuwestbengal: do you have a relationship with loco teams in neighbouring states? What language is used in your area and do you contribute to translations?
[20:30] <mako> Burgundavia: that's last year ;)
[20:30] <ubuntuwestbengal> Sir the language here is Hindi
[20:30] <ubuntuwestbengal> although we are working on bengali translations sir
[20:31] <Burgundavia> mako: yes, well the page says 2008, which hasn't happened yet :)
[20:31] <ubuntuwestbengal> Burgundavia: sorry sir?
[20:31] <mdke> ubuntuwestbengal: is there an official Ubuntu translation team for bengali?
[20:31] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: listen, this is important. have you been involved in signfiicant activites beyond in the last month or two?
[20:31] <ubuntuwestbengal> not at the moment sir
[20:31] <ubuntuwestbengal> yes sir
[20:31] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: your work looks really good :)
[20:32] <ubuntuwestbengal> thank you sir
[20:32] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: but i don't see doucmentation of activity beyond the last three weeks
[20:32] <ubuntuwestbengal> it is very important for us to make sure that the community at large in west bengal is aware that there is life beyond microsoft and macs
[20:33] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: and even the events are just one-line links
[20:33] <ubuntuwestbengal> mako: sir due to technical difficulties here, we havent been able to properly update the activities
[20:33] <ubuntuwestbengal> mako: sir i have just summarised them for your convenience
[20:33] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: ok, can we put this on hold then and then come back when you've got that documentation done?
[20:33] <mdke> I agree with mako, I think we need to see more evidence of committed events over a longer period.
[20:33] <Burgundavia> I agree too
[20:33] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: i appreciate that, but we've got to look at evidence of significant and sustained activity and contributions
[20:34] <mdke> I also think you need to work on showing collaboration with other teams. for example, there are three bengali translation teams
[20:34] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: that means months of activities and it means documentation we can look at
[20:34] <mdke> bn-bd, bn-id and bn
[20:34] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: pictures, press, etc
[20:34] <ubuntuwestbengal> sir i guess there may have been a communication lapse between the translation teams
[20:34] <ubuntuwestbengal> sir we were not allowed to take pictures
[20:34] <ubuntuwestbengal> as the events were held in schools
[20:34] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: please work closely with jono and add yourself back to the agenda when he says the documentation is sufficient
[20:35] <ubuntuwestbengal> sir, they did not allow cameras
[20:35] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: fine, take pictures of the other ones. fliers testimonials, writeups, etc
[20:35] <ubuntuwestbengal> mako: i spke to Jono a while back today and he said everything was fine sir
[20:35] <mdke> ubuntuwestbengal: perhaps you could contact the teams and collaborate, and then come back at a later stage
[20:35] <ubuntuwestbengal> mako: sir i did, the poster is shown there
[20:36] <ubuntuwestbengal> mdke: and sir we have also been going personally to peoples houses to install Ubuntu if they faced problems
[20:36] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: i appreciate that, but i don't see documentation of your activity or any evidence of what happened before 3 weeks ago
[20:36] <mdke> ubuntuwestbengal: ok. We appreciate your enthusiasm and look forward to hearing more about your work in the community. But for now, the team application isn't ready for approval
[20:36] <ubuntuwestbengal> mdke: i understand sir
[20:36] <mako> ubuntuwestbengal: that's right, we're going to come back to you at some point in the future
[20:36] <mdke> thanks for staying up late to talk with us
[20:37] <ubuntuwestbengal> mdke: my pleasure sir
[20:37] <ubuntuwestbengal> mdke: i will get back to you sir
[20:37] <mako> denmark?
[20:37] <mdke> mako: we should go back to the regular agenda if poss
[20:37] <Burgundavia> yep
[20:37]  * schultmc has 40 mins left - can Indiana go soon?
[20:37] <MagicFab> Colombia, tsss :)
[20:37] <mako> please
[20:37] <mako> we're going to go in order
[20:37] <leoquant> i have 10 min left
[20:38] <mayeco> here.... sorry i'm a little late
[20:38] <mako> is denmark here?
[20:38] <mako> oh you're right
[20:38] <mako> mdke: sorry, i got off track
[20:38] <mako> looks like denmark isn't here anyway?
[20:38] <mdke> 20:09:07 < mdke> we need jono for the first item, but my understanding from our thread on the mailing list was that he would remove it because we don't actually have an approval  process for teams
[20:39] <mako> mdke: great, so we skip it either way
[20:39] <mdke> item two
[20:39] <mako>  AmirEldor
[20:39] <mako> 	
[20:39] <mako> LoCo Website Hosting. Several teams find it diffcult to manage their websites/domains due to lack of communciation with Canonical's sysadmins
[20:39] <MagicFab> nick for Denmark would be gnomonic, not here I think
[20:39] <mdke> am I right this was discussed at a previous meeting?
[20:39] <gcleric> yup...
[20:39] <posingaspopular> mdke: yes
[20:39] <elmo> really?  I picked a great meeting to miss!
[20:39] <elmo> \o/
[20:40] <mdke> elmo: I read that on the loco mailing list, I will get a link
[20:40] <MagicFab> There was no conclusion, though - just general information
[20:40] <mako> elmo: apparently :)
[20:40] <Burgundavia> is this really an issue for the CC?
[20:40] <mako> Burgundavia: no, it's not (at least not yet
[20:40] <mdke> I don't think the CC can do anything about it, at least
[20:41] <mako> alright then, moving on
[20:41] <Flannel> Burgundavia: I believe on  the -contacts list, it was recommended it be taken to the CC
[20:41] <craigaa> as a LoCo team lead I see it as resource issue. I have been lead to believe that the sysadmins are overwhelmed with requests
[20:42] <mako> craigaa: it sounds like this is not on the agenda
[20:42] <mdke> the only thing I think we can explore is whether there is anything the community can do to help
[20:42] <tritium> That is my understanding as well.
[20:42] <Burgundavia> but the CC cannot "force" canonical to either spend money or open up access
[20:42] <mako> persia: is up next
[20:42] <persia> MOTU Council would like to request explicit permission to grant Ubuntu Membership independently from granting MOTU membership.  Some background and justification is available from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/GrantingMembership
[20:42] <persia> In short, MOTU Council currently grants membership as a side-effect when adding new members to MOTU.  We'd prefer to separate these to both typically consider Membership separately from MOTU, and provide a mechanism to recognise significant and sustained contribution without granting upload rights yet.
[20:42] <mako> persia: thanks :)
[20:42] <elmo> FWIW, I'm happy to talk to people about this, in #canonical-sysadmin
[20:42] <elmo> (to keep us on topic)
[20:42] <mako> thanks elmo
[20:42] <Burgundavia> elmo: thanks
[20:43] <popey> * elmo leaves #canonical-sysadmin [run for the hills]
[20:44] <Traveler7> mako, Amir Eldor cuold't have come but he aske dme to come in his name..
[20:44] <mako> persia: alright... can you give me example
[20:44] <mdke> persia: +1 from me. when the regional membership boards are set up, the MC can encourage candidates to use those, to assist with time considerations
[20:44] <mako> persia: the request sounds pretty reasonable
[20:44] <Burgundavia> +1 from me
[20:44] <mdke> the only thing that is important for me is to ensure that news of the new members is spread around the community in the same way we envisage for other councils or boards
[20:45] <mdke> for me, the UWN is the centre for all that
[20:45] <mako> but presumably the MOTU council will be reviewing candidate who are the type of person who starts uploading
[20:45] <LeAstrale> a little late :/
[20:45] <elmo> I'd like to know an example too
[20:45] <persia> mako: I'd have to chase the approval logs, but there are several Contributors who have been doing good work for 3-6 months, but still make occasional mistakes.  We'd like to indicate to them that they are welcome and part of Ubuntu while asking them to learn more before they have root on our workstations.
[20:45] <mako> what are the types of significant, sustained constributions that do no cause you to want to grant upload rights that you want to grant membership for?
[20:46]  * mako nods
[20:46] <persia> No other types of contribution.  Just that they still would need sponsorship for uploads, but have been doing good work, and are valued members of the development community.
[20:46] <mako> persia: are there are other types of contribution that do not benefit from upload rights that you want to recognize with membershiop?
[20:46] <Burgundavia> persia: sort of a supervised motu?
[20:46] <mako> man, you keep answering my questions right as i'm done typing them
[20:47]  * ScottK2 would suggest that nxvl_work that's up later today would be a good example of the kind of person this would apply to
[20:47] <persia> Burgundavia: Somewhat.  Of the ~320 people who have changelog credits for hardy, at least 2/3 are not MOTU.
[20:47] <mako> persia: bug work is one thing that springs to mind
[20:48] <mako> persia: ok, has the rest of hte motu council agreed that they want to do this?
[20:48] <persia> mako: Ah.  I see what you mean.  Yes, contributions in other areas would be considered when examining an applicant, but MC doesn't expect to receive applications from those not active as developers.
[20:48] <ember> i think i'm an example too
[20:48] <anthony> (where are we in the agenda?)
[20:48]  * nxvl_work agrees with ScottK2
[20:49] <persia> The rest of MOTU Council is agreed, and it was discussed in our last two calls.  The wiki page is the result of discussion amoung us (although I was tasked with drafting and presentation to CC).
[20:49] <mdke> sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Will it be a problem to report new members to the UWN?
[20:49] <mako> persia: ok, as long as the the level of commitement, contribution , and interpersonal skills is the same, i have no problem
[20:49] <persia> mdke: It oughtn't be, although we may need some guidance on the mechanism for such reporting.
[20:50] <mdke> ok, we should do something along those lines for all the teams granting membership - leave it with me
[20:50] <mako> persia: my only concern is that i *really* don't want to see membership become a first hurdle
[20:50] <mako> because then membership becomes a sort of first-step toward developership
[20:50] <mako> and a lesser status in the project
[20:50] <mako> and i don't like that all
[20:50] <mako> i want every member who does technical work to be treated as a peer with non-technical contributors
[20:50]  * johnc4510 UWN gets the councils new members from a mailing list or wiki page, we would need some way of knowing when it happens with MOTU
[20:51] <ScottK2> That used to be the case (membership was a requirement).
[20:51] <mako> of course, they are orthagol, but i want a technocracy
[20:51] <persia> mako: We discussed that, and would be willing to consider people for both MOTU and Member at the same time, but in most cases Contributors would be ready for Membership prior to being ready for MOTU, so it would provide a ramp for them.  Not so much a "lower" status, as just able to represent, but not yet to upload.
[20:51] <mdke> ScottK2: membership has always been a requirement - just that it could be granted at the same time as motu status
[20:52] <persia> mdke: Yes, but due to other factors, the majority of MOTU applicants are not members at this point.
[20:52] <mdke> sure, I don't have a problem with your proposal
[20:52] <mdke> incidentally, congrats on the MC in general - seems to be working really well.
[20:52] <tritium> membership is a big bottleneck.  Look at today's agenda, with applicants from as far back as August.
[20:53] <mako> persia: do you understand my concern?
[20:53] <mdke> tritium: that's rather a different question, which we've sought to address in the StreamlineMembershipApproval spec
[20:54] <tritium> mdke: agreed
[20:54] <mako> persia: i'm very worried about doing thigns that will cause membership to be seen a sort of lesser status in the project
[20:54] <posingaspopular> cani just say that the foresight linux people are designing their membership applications specifically to avoid bottlenecks like ours?
[20:54] <mako> persia: because the effect of that is to make the non-technical members less highly ranking in the project
[20:55] <mako> posingaspopular: we are also designing our applications to do the same, but lets stay on topic
[20:55] <ScottK2> mako: To the extent that developers care about non-technical ranking, I don't think you have to worry.
[20:55] <persia> mako: About peers?  I think so.  You want all members to be roughly equal, rather than having development members possibly being considered "lesser" due to the alternate forum, right?
[20:55] <mdke> persia: non-development members
[20:55] <persia> That is part of why we raise the topic here: if it is believed that all Members should have the same approval process, we may want to push interested parties to other fora rather than providing dual-approvals in most cases.
[20:56] <mako> persia: so, i support your proposal, i'm just make sure you're on board with part of the way that membership is conceived when you're making your decisions on how to handle this
[20:56] <mako> many many free software projects privledge technical contributions to other types
[20:57] <mdke> my personal opinion is that if the regional membership approval teams work properly, that is where we should get to in the long run. Right now I don't think we can get to that place
[20:57] <mako> the doc and art people get less respect, visibility, etc
[20:57] <mdke> (i.e. with all members having the same approval process)
[20:57] <gcleric>  mdke: would it be in appropriate to state that there is a freeze on new memberships until the issue StreamlineMembershipApproval is finished?
[20:57] <persia> mdke: Ah.  I understand.  I'm not sure how to respond to that: I'm much more comfortable having someone help and be part of the community than giving them unrestricted root on my workstation.
[20:57] <mako> gcleric: no, that's not appropriate to state
[20:57] <mako> persia: right, that's a sensible position and that's one we've taken
[20:58] <elmo> (I've got to step out for 5 mins; assuming persia understands mako/mdke's points, +1 from me, bbias)
[20:58] <gcleric> mako: but that is what is being communicated by not getting to the new memberships.
[20:58] <mako> persia: but it's the fine line between "technical skills are handled differently and after membership" to "technical recognition is the next step up the ubuntu recognition food chain"
[20:59] <persia> mako: OK.  We're certainly not planning to lower the bar for membership: we're expecting several months of considerable contributions as a base requirement, with a need for community support and demonstration of community interaction.  We're still discussing the specific criteria we will apply.
[20:59] <greg-g> gcleric: please, can we let them finish their current agenda items so we can get to the membership approvals
[20:59] <mako> gcleric: we're doing the best we can here, talk about how we're not getting to things isn't speeding it up, but feel free to talk to me in a side channel where we don't have to distract the rest of the meeting
[21:00] <persia> mako: For those who are developers, commit rights is the target goal.  Other bits appear ancillary.  For those active in other ways, I don't think commit rights help very much, and so may not be important.
[21:00] <mdke> I think we can trust the MC to take the right approach when granting membership
[21:00] <mako> persia: ok, +1 from me but please keep that in mind and don't hesitate to run your text by me
[21:00] <mako> persia: thanks for bearing with me
[21:00] <Burgundavia> +1 from me with the same clarification as mako
[21:01] <persia> mako: No problem.  As we get closer to implementation, we'll provide some more details to confirm the criteria.
[21:01] <mdke> good. Denmark?
[21:01] <mako> persia: wonderful
[21:01] <mako> persia: please keep me in the loop
[21:01] <mako> mdke: seems like a no show
[21:01] <mako> columbia
[21:01] <persia> Just to confirm, is there any reason to not include all CC members "in the loop"?
[21:01] <MagicFab> Colombia, that is
[21:01] <MagicFab> :)
[21:01] <hollman> :D
[21:01] <MagicFab> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:02] <Hanumat> :D
[21:02] <MagicFab> It has been a slow but steady path to bring together an active group of Ubuntu users in the Colombian Team. Free open source software does not have much visibility in local media and the governement, educational and private initiatives have only been gaining traction for the past few 2-3 years. Microsoft and other local lobbies are hard at work to stop any free software initiatives.
[21:02] <Burgundavia> persia: don't think so, just fire it at our list
[21:02] <mdke> persia: nope
[21:02] <schultmc> FYI, /me has to leave at 21:15 - SimonAnibal will handle Indiana if I'm not back by the time you get to Indiana
[21:02] <MagicFab> In that context the team is facing interesting challenges compared to other countries where governement and private organizations are already massively implementing free, open source solutions (including but not limited to Ubuntu).
[21:02] <MagicFab> The mailing list remains the most active resource, and public events and conferences are where members participate the most. I personally expect to "pass the torch" to other members once the team is official, and there is very high interest in pursuing out objectives from several regular contributors and members.
[21:03] <MagicFab> Several members are on the channel here too, we' re happy to answer questions
[21:03] <MagicFab> including darkhole :)
[21:03] <mdke> thanks, that's a helpful summary. on my favourite subject, how do you interrelate to other similar teams?
[21:03] <mdke> geographically, or linguistically
[21:04] <MagicFab> I sit on their channels :) We actively invite them to copy resources we create based on the english material. A few of our members are very active translating wiki guides
[21:04] <mdke> how about Ubuntu translation?
[21:04] <MagicFab> May I also mention I am writing this from Montreal, Canada - so I effectively have lead the team for a good while from here.
[21:05] <MagicFab> A few members participate in translation. Good part of my karma to become a member was that too. But translations happens mostly on wiki resources.
[21:05] <Burgundavia> MagicFab: related to the being in montreal bit: have you sought out somebody in country to do the leading?
[21:05] <MagicFab> We helped translate and revise the CoC signing guide and IRC guides
[21:05] <MagicFab> keys to membership process
[21:06]  * johnc4510 UWN always needs translators too
[21:06] <mdke> what plans do you have for your website?
[21:06] <MagicFab> Burgundavia, yes, I have several very good candidates. It' s going to be a blood bath and >54 members know how to use the polls in LP
[21:06] <MagicFab> mdke - going to #canonical-sysadmin after this meeting :)
[21:07] <Burgundavia> MagicFab: a bloodbath?
[21:07] <MagicFab> mdke, I have people on standby to work on Drupal, a local wiki and other stuff. But holding on that for now
[21:07] <MagicFab> Burgundavia, I expect at least 5 string candidates to lead - we may end up having a council (similar to -ve
[21:07] <Burgundavia> ahh, ok
[21:07] <mdke> MagicFab: I mean, what purpose will it serve
[21:08] <nxvl_work> MagicFab: and -pe :P
[21:08] <MagicFab> We also made a pretty clear and traight forward membership guide - Colombian team membership, that is
[21:08] <mako> hold up, back in 5 minutes
[21:08] <mako> i'll catch up
[21:08] <MagicFab> mdke, the website would carry local news, agregate blogs, and a local wiki for documentation pertinent to colombia (like how to use uBuntu with X university' s network VPN etc)
[21:09] <luis_lopez> I think it's important to mention that 96% of our members have signed the CoC
[21:09] <MagicFab> The focus now is a  big event, the FLISOL - an installfest across LatinAmerica. We have people organizing in several cities. Last year was good for preparation and experience.
[21:10] <jag2kn> http://installfest.info/
[21:10] <jag2kn> http://installfest.info/FLISOL2008/Colombia/
[21:10] <MagicFab> We' ve also created a new langaguege teamcollaborating with the Venezuela team - > Ubuntu in wayuunaiki
[21:10] <MagicFab> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-guc
[21:10] <mdke> MagicFab: sounds good. any plans in relation to local support?
[21:10] <MagicFab> I'll shut up now
[21:11] <mayeco> ...
[21:11] <MagicFab> Local support, yes.
[21:11] <MagicFab> In Colombia major cities have minimalls full of PC component and full system selleers
[21:11] <MagicFab> It is planned to go visit them and educate them about Ubuntu
[21:11] <MagicFab> And assist them in providing support
[21:12] <MagicFab> I am also pushing for karma -hungry members to get on Answers. However LP' s language (english) has been a barrier to adoption
[21:13] <MagicFab> An example of active translator: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/~alarconj/
[21:13] <MagicFab> Julian also just finished our first monthly report (feb)
[21:14] <Burgundavia> MagicFab: how are you doing on the getting of conference booths?
[21:14] <mdke> well, it generally sounds quite good - plenty of events, and good plans. I'm happy to give +1, again I'd be interested if you guys come back and give us an update when you've switched leaders, and grown further
[21:14] <MagicFab> Burgundavia, in what respect ? Several local orgs are offering " community"  booths and we are takling those
[21:14] <schultmc> bbiab
[21:15] <MagicFab> mdke, the reports requirement will help getting the word out
[21:15] <Burgundavia> MagicFab: ok, just wondering
 I have seen the constant growth of the ColombianTeam and they have served as a source of empowerment for the Ubuntu-ve team, the ever watchful eye of our great peer MagicFab makes this team a very productive and hardworking always looking into ways of colaborating in the Ubuntu Community as a whole. As a loCo team contac for Venezuela. May Colombia achieve what it endevours...
[21:15] <MagicFab> mdke, and I can' t wait to pass the torch - it's just weird to be so far :D
[21:16] <Burgundavia> +1 from me, but yes, come back when you have a council/leader in place
[21:16] <MagicFab> Did I mention we are in good terms with the Venezuela team - yes I justsaid that :D
[21:16] <mayeco> Panamanian team too...
[21:17] <Burgundavia> mako, MikeB, elmo: further questions?
[21:17] <MagicFab> Generally speaking I see a trend towards strong hispanic teams participation
[21:17] <mako> sorry, just coming back now
[21:17] <MagicFab> I mean collaboration.
[21:17]  * leogg cheers for Colombia, It's a great team and they play a pretty active and important role in the Spanish speaking LoCo community
[21:18] <MagicFab> leogg, from -ni spearheded the Ubuntu Desktop course translation and we' re joining with -ve to help out
[21:18] <MikeB> sorry, got called into my bosses office, let me read back
[21:19]  * igorgue says viva colombia latinos al poder!, congrats :)
[21:19] <leogg> MagicFab, that's correct... it's LoCo collaboration all the way:)
[21:20] <Burgundavia> I have to run in 10
[21:20] <mako> so what are the feelings of the council members?
[21:21] <Burgundavia> +1 from me, but yes, come back when you have a council/leader in place
[21:21] <mdke> +1 from me
[21:21] <mako> i'm also fine with approval
[21:22] <elmo> +1
[21:22] <MagicFab> Thank you - cheers to all that worked hard for this! :)
[21:22] <jag2kn> :D
[21:22] <hollman>  cherssssss
[21:22] <darkhole> Thanks to you too
[21:22] <jag2kn> thanks
[21:22] <schultmc> back
[21:23] <hollman> thank's
[21:23] <Hanumat> :D
[21:23] <luis_lopez> viva colombia!
[21:23] <SimonAnibal> schultmc, Excellent timing, bro ;-)
[21:23] <darkhole> :)
[21:23] <leogg> congrats MagicFab - arriba Colombia!
[21:23] <Hanumat> :D
[21:23] <Hanumat> Viva Colombia...!!
[21:23] <SimonAnibal> ¡Felicitaciones, hermanos Colombianos!
[21:23]  * MagicFab hugs all other team members - saquen el aguardiente **
[21:23] <mako> sounds good
[21:23] <MagicFab> ok - shhhh... meeting in progress
[21:23] <schultmc> SimonAnibal: thx :)
[21:23] <n0rman> ehehheeh congrats MagicFab
[21:23] <leogg> XD
[21:24] <mako> alright, lets move on
[21:24] <Hanumat> :D
[21:24] <mako> indiana
[21:24] <schultmc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianaTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:24] <schultmc> The IndianaTeam is approaching its one year anniversary.  So far we've held monthly IRC meetings, decided on a team logo, setup a CafePress site for team apparel, participated in several conferences (IU LinuxFest, ITEC, Ohio LinuxFest, K-12 Open Minds Conference), and held a Gutsy Release Party.
[21:24] <schultmc> We're helping plan an Indiana LinuxFest and are planning a Hardy Release Party for April as well as continuing our educational and advocacy focuses.
[21:25] <mako> wow, that sounds pretty full :)
[21:25] <schultmc> :)
[21:25] <SimonAnibal> mako, We wanted to make sure we only had to come before you once ;-)
[21:25] <SimonAnibal> Well, that is, to get Approved
[21:25] <mako> SimonAnibal: yeah! i can see that
[21:25] <mako> i'm glad you're working with inACCESS :)
[21:25] <mako> i went out and gave a talk at a conference they organized last year, it's exciting stuff
[21:26] <SimonAnibal> It's what got me into Ubuntu
[21:26] <SimonAnibal> Yeah, I said hi to you the next day, I had planned to go on Thursday so as to see your talk, but David Thornburg was held up
[21:26] <mako> ah yes, sorry, putting  face to a name
[21:26] <mako> wonderful application
[21:26] <SimonAnibal> Yeah, I'm sure I didn't mention my name.
[21:26] <schultmc> mako has also met me :)
[21:28] <mako> you guys should put your logo on your page :)
[21:28] <SimonAnibal> I also gave a talk at that conference, as you can see on our application
[21:28] <SimonAnibal> mako, I keep meaning to do that...
[21:28] <schultmc> mako: it's on our launchpad page at least
[21:28] <mako> anyway, i'm happy not spending any more time in this meeting
[21:28] <mako> +1 for approval for me
[21:28] <Burgundavia> +1 from me
[21:29] <elmo> +1
[21:29] <Burgundavia> tonnes of meetings, tonnes of experience, nice roadmap
[21:29] <mdke> very well documented page
[21:29] <mako> the application itself is very well put together, pictures are helpful
[21:29] <mdke> +1
[21:29] <Burgundavia> and I need to run
[21:29] <desertc> +1
[21:29] <mako> Burgundavia: thanks
[21:29] <mako> lets see if we can can handle a few members who have been waiting for a long time
[21:29] <mako> and who are here
[21:29] <SimonAnibal> Thank you, all
[21:29] <nxvl_work> o/
[21:29] <mdke> thanks SimonAnibal
[21:29] <mako> before mdke disappears
[21:29] <schultmc> Thank you!
[21:29]  * desertc cheers SimonAnibal.
[21:29] <mako> great work SimonAnibal and schultmc
[21:29] <desertc> Great work!
[21:30] <SimonAnibal> This is just the beginning
[21:30] <mako> demrit Miguel Vazquez Gocobachi ?
[21:30] <mako> perhaps time to remove from the page
[21:31] <MikeB> back finally
[21:31] <MikeB> +1 for Columbia
[21:31] <mako> Forlong/Nick Bauermeister
[21:31] <mako> RichardoPerez?
[21:31] <darkhole> Thanks MikeB
[21:31] <mako> juliux i know i've seen around today
[21:32] <MikeB> +1 for Indiana, but under full disclosure, I was born in Indiana (Tell City) and went to Indiana University)
[21:32] <MikeB> so I may be bias:)
[21:32] <johnc4510> lol
[21:32] <juliux> mako, ys
[21:32] <juliux> yes
[21:32] <SimonAnibal> MikeB, heheh, well, you know who to get ahold of if you're ever in the old hometown itching for some Ubuntu love
[21:33] <juliux> mako, dholbach allready approved my membership
[21:33] <juliux> mako, see mail on the cc mailinglist
[21:33] <mako> ok, let me remove that
[21:33] <juliux> forlong can be removed
[21:33] <mako> juliux: yes, i recall. i'm just going through the list in order
[21:33] <MikeB> SimonAnibal: Tell City or Bloomington?
[21:33] <juliux> he is from germany but not realy active
[21:33] <mako> StevenHarperUK?
[21:33] <SimonAnibal> MikeB, whichever. We're all over the state.
[21:34] <mako> quadrispro?
[21:34] <mako> leoquant?
[21:34] <laacque> I m afraid leoq has gone, he s disabled so can t stay up this long, doesn t mean that he isn t a good teamleader of course
[21:34] <mako> Caeser/Andrew Pollack?
[21:35] <mako> laacque: ok, but still interested will leave him on the list. if it becomes a huge problem we can find some other way to do it. the next meeting will be at a different time
[21:35] <mdke> maybe we'll even have the regional teams going!
[21:35] <mako> posingaspopular seems to be next
[21:35] <nixternal> w00t posingaspopular!
[21:35]  * johnc4510 cheers for posingaspopular w00t
[21:36]  * greg-g go posingaspopular !
[21:36] <tyche> GO posingaspopular!
[21:36] <nixternal> He definitely has my vote! He is now the team lead for Ubuntu Chicago, and I believe he has done more work with the LoCo than I ever did
[21:36] <nixternal> and he better not have fallen asleep waiting
[21:36] <johnc4510> good mix with other teams
[21:36] <mako> no really posingaspopular. go :)
[21:36] <posingaspopular> yea
[21:36] <posingaspopular> hey all
[21:36] <nixternal> about time!
[21:36] <johnc4510> yes
[21:36] <johnc4510> lol
[21:37] <posingaspopular> i was getting yelled at by my coworkers...
[21:37] <mako> pleasant
[21:37] <nixternal> you can also be assured that he has the vote from his brother Admiral_Chicago too :)
[21:37] <mako> ironically, you seem to be legimiately popular
[21:37] <nixternal> mako: we always yell at him though :) he is used to it
[21:37] <nixternal> mako: no, he is posing
[21:37] <posingaspopular> so i am the leader for the chicago Loco, and we have a never project we are working on, still hush hush atm. :P
[21:38] <Admiral_Chicago> I vote in favor :)
[21:38] <posingaspopular> meetings every 6 weeks or so (btw all of this is on the wiki's, im just lazy) and for the heck of it i'll throw out the project we're working on
[21:38] <nixternal> lazy? -1 from me now
[21:39] <posingaspopular> the LoCo is going to start working on a sort of Ubuntu hackathon school which means that we'll be teaching teh desktop guide to anyone who wants to learn, and then moving on to advanced ubutnu hacking
[21:39]  * mako is happy with +1 on well documented loco work.. and other stuff :)
[21:39] <posingaspopular> we are meeting in 2 weeks to finally hammer out all the details
[21:39] <nixternal> he has done a ton for real with a local Christian College by converting them over 100% to Ubuntu, and even got the support from quite a few members as well in the process...good work done by all
[21:39] <mako> i'm interested in project green too
[21:39] <posingaspopular> thanks mako, i like your blogs.
[21:39] <mdke> yes +1 from me, good page and clear contribution over a decent period. I've come across posingaspopular on -doc and he is very enthusiastic
[21:39] <posingaspopular> mako: thats the CC propject
[21:40] <anthony> posingaspopular has been helpful in acting as a loco catalyst - encouraging other teams
[21:40] <posingaspopular> also, we are have launched the Tri Loco team
[21:40]  * boredandblogging cheers for posingaspopular!
[21:40] <posingaspopular> it's Chicago, Ohio and Michigan where we collab between the 3 (jcastro gave us the idea) to spread the teams in the midwest
[21:40] <greg-g> The Tri-LoCo project is great for the Michigan, Chicago, and Ohio teams
[21:40] <posingaspopular> catch up on news, talk abotu ridesharings
[21:40] <nixternal> hahaha
[21:41] <posingaspopular> posingaspopular.wordpress.com is my blog
[21:41] <schultmc> you should expand to the Quad-LoCo project now since Indiana's approved now ;)
[21:41] <nixternal> schultmc: +1
[21:41] <greg-g> schultmc: good point
[21:41] <posingaspopular> ive been meanign to update it and file some hardy bugs btw.. schultmc pm me please
[21:41] <mako> today indiana, tomorrow... THE WORLD
[21:41] <elmo> +1
[21:41]  * nixternal crawls back into his code writing hole
[21:42] <mako> MikeB, mdke: ?
[21:42] <MikeB> +1
[21:42] <posingaspopular> and i charied the last ubuntu-us meeting. speeaking of which greg-g we need to decided a date for the new one
[21:42] <mako> posingaspopular: in another channel :)
[21:42] <greg-g> posingaspopular: yes, we'll do that later tonight, email/pm me
[21:42] <mako> leogg: why don't you start
[21:43] <posingaspopular> also, of course, confrences, hacktahons, codesprints, etc.
[21:43] <Admiral_Chicago> is that a yes on posingaspopular?
[21:43] <leogg> Hi! My name is Leandro Gómez, I'm the team contact and one of the founders of the Ubuntu Nicaragua LoCo Team. My wiki is located in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Leocharrua and my Launchpad profile: https://launchpad.net/~leogomez72
[21:43] <leogg> My main efforts has been in developing the local Ubuntu community and mentoring some of the teams in the Central American area. We have today (12 months later) a strong and dedicated team of enthusiastic individuals who puts a lot of work in promoting Ubuntu and FOSS in our country.
[21:43] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: gotta wait for burgandavia and sabdfl to vote yet...so he has to wait more than likely
[21:43] <leogg> My goals for 2008; 1) Contribute to make all Central American teams approved by the end of the year. 2) Become MOTU :)
[21:43] <mdke> Admiral_Chicago: yes
[21:44] <Admiral_Chicago> cool
[21:44] <posingaspopular> thanks, ttyl soon.
[21:44] <johnc4510> posingaspopular: congrats
[21:44] <Admiral_Chicago> \o/! --> posingaspopular
[21:45] <posingaspopular> okay leogg time everyone!
[21:45] <leogg> :)
[21:45]  * jorsol cheers for leogg, one of the best leaders of Central America
[21:46] <leogg> thx jorsol
[21:47] <mdke> leogg: I'm interested in knowing how the various spanish teams collaborate - are you involved in ubuntu-es.org?
[21:48]  * ledanalf cheers for leogg too :D 
[21:48] <leogg> mdke: in the spanish speaking loco? yes
[21:48] <mako> the loco page is wonderful
[21:48] <mdke> how does that team interrelate to teams like Ubuntu Spain and other spanish speaking teams?
[21:48] <igorgue> leogg: does not have red blood... its brown and orange :), cheers to leogg
[21:48] <leogg> thank you mako
[21:49] <leogg> mdke, we work mainly with LoCo Teams in our area (Central America), we had some events together with -sv and -gt
[21:49] <leogg> and we share information and resources
[21:49] <mdke> great
[21:50] <leogg> we are also looking forward to collaborate with 'co and ve in translating the Ubuntu desktop course
[21:50] <mako> alright
[21:50] <mdke> well, for me your wiki page I'd say you are a pretty outstanding candidate. Keep up the good work and +1 from me
[21:51] <leogg> thanks mdke
[21:51] <mako> i'm happy approving membership based on what appears to major activity in a very active and successful loco
[21:51] <mako> +1 from me too
[21:51] <leogg> thanks mako
[21:51] <mako> MikeB, elmo: ?
[21:51]  * jorsol +1 for leogg
[21:51] <mako> Flare183 doesn't seem to be here?
[21:51] <MikeB> +1
[21:51]  * ledanalf + for leogg
[21:52] <mako> gcleric: alright, you're up
[21:52]  * MaPo +1 for leogg
[21:52] <leogg> thanks MikeB :)
[21:52] <gcleric> My name is Eric Krieger and I'm from Albuquerque, New Mexico.   I've been using Ubuntu since the days of Warty and various linux distro's since 1993. Please feel to browse my wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrammatonCleric.  Along the way I've written several HOWTO's on the Ubuntu Forum and I've tried to help users in need. I'm currently active member, and like to think a core member, of the New Mexico LoCo team.  As NM Loco member I've wa
[21:52]  * MagicFab cheers for leogg
[21:52] <mako> gcleric: sorry if i was rude earlier, was just trying to move things along
[21:52] <leogg> thanks MagicFab
[21:52] <tritium> gcleric: _is_ one of our core members
[21:52] <igorgue> congrats leogg, lets get drunk!
[21:53] <gcleric> no worries...sorry if I was being disruptive...
[21:53] <leogg> XD
[21:53] <mdke> gcleric: have you contributed any of the howtos you've written to the documentation website?
[21:53] <gcleric> I've written all of them...on my wiki site.
[21:53] <effie_jayx> congrats leogg
[21:54] <leogg> thanks effie_jayx :)
[21:55] <tritium> I'd like to point out that gcleric is the project lead on our most important project: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Endorphin_Power_Company_Ubuntu_Install_and_Support
[21:55] <mdke> gcleric: it would be nice to see you contributing directly to the wiki on the documentation website, that way our central documentation resource can benefit from your efforts
[21:55] <gcleric> mdke: I would love to.
[21:56] <gcleric> I will make a point to do so in furture.
[21:56] <tritium> gcleric has also supported our install-fests, and Software Freedom Day events, and is the most active contributor to our mailing list.
[21:56] <mdke> great. check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide for an intro and feel free to hang out on the ubuntu-doc mailing list and fire any questions
[21:56] <mdke> gcleric: you might also find some helpful material on porting forum articles at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum
[21:57] <gcleric> mdke: thank you I will port what I have to the documentation website.  =)
[21:57] <mdke> this Endorphin Power Company initiative sounds really interesting too
[21:57] <elmo> +1 for leogg, sorry
[21:58] <mako> mdke: yeah, absolutely
[21:58] <gcleric> yes the EPC project is proving to be really rewarding on many fronts.
[21:58] <tritium> mdke: yes, it is truly supporting needy people in our locale, and could potentially gain quite a bit of positive press for Ubuntu.
[21:58] <mdke> that's very good to hear about
[21:58] <mdke> have you let the UWN guys know about the project? would be good to get it some more exposure
[21:58] <tritium> As the NM LoCo founder, I'm very proud of gcleric, and extremely fortunate to have him on our team.
[21:58] <mako> gcleric: the documentation of the project is really nice.. just to have a running list of the process
[21:59] <mako> gcleric: helps provide documentation and a view into the process for folks that might want to replciate something similar in other places and with other groups
[21:59] <gcleric> our hope is to provide a template for others to follow if they wish.
[21:59] <tritium> mdke: I intend to write something up for the next LoCo team report.
[21:59] <mako> gcleric: awesome
[22:00] <mako> wow, some of these howtos look great too
[22:00] <mako> the ones on the forums
[22:00] <mdke> tritium: cool, pass it to the UWN too
[22:00] <gcleric> mako: thanks =)
[22:00]  * mako gives a +1 for membership
[22:00] <tritium> mdke: will do, thanks.
[22:00] <mako> gcleric: keep it up! :)
[22:01] <mdke> +1 from me too, good work and welcome
[22:01] <gcleric> the mythtv converter seem real popular... =)
[22:01] <JayTee52> gotta run now, Go Hoosiers!!!!
[22:01] <MikeB> you are marked as a Gentoo user on the forums?
[22:02] <gcleric> guilty... I used to work with Daniel Robbins.
[22:02] <MikeB> lol, +1 from me
[22:03] <tritium> Obviously, if I had a vote, +1 from me.
[22:03] <mako> so i've got another meeting coming up adn we just passed the 2 hour mark..
[22:03] <greg-g> noo......
[22:04]  * ogasawara cries
[22:04] <rick_h_> myabe 3rd time's a charm greg-g :(
[22:04] <greg-g> yeah, I can be patient
[22:04] <posingaspopular> ive never seen anyone so upset to see mako leave
[22:04] <greg-g> :)
[22:04] <tritium> So, is that a congratulations to gcleric?
[22:04] <mako> lets try to do a couple more
[22:04] <mako> warp10: you around?
[22:04] <johnc4510> sure
[22:04] <nxvl_work> wooohoooooo
[22:04] <mako> elmo on gcleric ?
[22:04] <warp10> mako: here I am
[22:05] <warp10> Hi! I am Andrea Colangelo, 27 years old from Italy. My launchpad page is at https://launchpad.net/~warp10/
[22:05] <warp10> I begun contributing to the community in May 2007, within the Italian LoCo Team. I still help there, where I am involved in CD and sticker projects (we ship Ubuntu CDs and Ubuntu stickers to people willing to get some), Ubuntu-it Press Office (the team that writes press-releases and take care of contacts with media) and Ubuntu-it screencasts (just like the worldwide Screencast Team).
[22:05] <warp10> Since October 2007 I began my yourney as MOTU contributor. My mentor pitti is driving me through this wonderful world, and so far I took care of several bugfixes and merges/syncs.  I did a couple brand new package too, and joined ubuntu-it-dev, the Italian Developer Team involved in packaging and backporting software that our Community requests.
[22:05] <warp10> Other activities I am involved in are: bugs triaging (I am a member of the Bug Control Team), ISO testing and Laptop testing.
[22:05] <warp10> My plans for the future: become MOTU, continue focusing on Debian <--> Ubuntu cooperation, improve my current activities, continue to spread the Ubuntu and FOSS verb among friends of mine and people I meet. You can find more info about me and some cheers for my application on my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreaColangelo
[22:05] <warp10> Thanks.
[22:05] <elmo> +1
[22:05] <totopalma> I would like to sponsor Andrea for his membership, he is a very hard worker and a good MOTU contibutor. His work on the Italian community is invaluable
[22:05] <elmo> man, I suck at keeping up
[22:05] <mako> gcleric: congrats dude
[22:05] <DktrKranz> I've seen (and sponsored) several packages made by Andrea. He's a great contributor in MOTU activities. He's also very active in bug triaging, so a big cheer from me.
[22:05] <gcleric> WhoooHooo!!! Thank you so much!!!
[22:05] <Hattory> Andrea is a very active person, he recently started to look at MOTU issues by uploading a lot of packages. I think the membership is deserved and so +1 from me... go Andrea go!
[22:05] <mako> elmo: i'm trying to push this fast :)
[22:05] <ScottK2> +1 from me too for good work in MOTU.
[22:06] <mako> warp10: ok, so you've been contribuing since october or just as a motu since october?
[22:06] <persia> I'm especially appreciative of Andrea's efforts for helping with the QA activities that so many shy from.
[22:06] <warp10> mako: since october just as a MOTU :)
[22:08] <mako> warp10: on the ord of how many cds is your italian cd shipping project sending?
[22:09] <mdke> it's limited only from the number of stickers available, I gather
[22:09] <mdke> from/by
[22:09] <warp10> mako: not so many indeed. We ship about 20 per month. We expect an increase of requests for Intrepid
[22:09]  * mako nods
[22:09] <mdke> totopalma: is that right?
[22:09] <mako> warp10: which screencasts have you made?
[22:09] <totopalma> mdke, yes :)
[22:10] <mdke> totopalma: i thought it was a lot more :(
[22:10] <warp10> mako: regarding screencast, the project has started from just a few days. I did a couple of test to fine tuning tools and procedures. We expect to start producing more, true screencast in 1 or 2 weeks.
[22:11] <mako> alright, well the testimonials are very helpful, +1 from me
[22:11]  * mako nods to warp10 
[22:11] <mdke> it's a well documented page and having pitti among the recommendations is pretty impressive. I'm happy to +1 base on clear contributions in a number of different areas
[22:11] <mdke> thanks and keep up the good work
[22:12] <warp10> thank you mdke :)
[22:12] <mako> tyche: you're up
[22:12]  * johnc4510 is here to cheer for tyche! w00t
[22:12] <mako> MikeB and elmo: warp10 when you get a chance
[22:12] <tyche> Hi, my name is Craig Eddy.  I am a retired draftsman.  For more information on me, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CraigAEddy or https://launchpad.net/~tyche.
[22:13]  * boredandblogging cheers for tyche!!
[22:13] <tyche> I have been a member of the Arizona LoCo Team and the reporter for the Arizona Team newsletter, under johnc4510, since September 12, 2007, and member of and contributor on the UWN since issue #65.
[22:13] <tyche> I am active in IRC #ubuntu-us-az, and contribute bug reports and comments to launchpad, and respond on the Ubuntu Forums.
[22:13]  * johnc4510 tyche has done outstanding work with not only the AZ LoCo Team, but also with the UWN. He also has contributed with bug reporting and forum help. He lives the Ubuntu code and is a perfect candidate for membership. I endorse him 100%.
[22:13] <MikeB> warp10: +1
[22:13] <posingaspopular> tyche tyche tyche!
[22:13] <mdke> how is the UWN doing for contributors at the moment?
[22:14] <boredandblogging> type has done great work for the UWN and helps us get it out every week
[22:14] <boredandblogging> mdke: we need more help
[22:14] <johnc4510> yes
[22:14] <posingaspopular> tyche is also really nice and stayed up late with me every night for TWO weeks straight trying to help me install VirtualBox
[22:14] <elmo> +1
[22:14] <johnc4510> translators, and reporters, etc
[22:14] <elmo> to warp10
[22:14]  * warp10 smiles
[22:15] <mako> alright, tyche it looks pretty good
[22:15] <posingaspopular> omg omg. i know htis is massively offtopic, but there is a toy story three in the works
[22:16] <tyche> Thanks, mako
[22:16] <johnc4510> :)
[22:16] <totopalma> warp10,  congratulations :)
[22:16] <mdke> posingaspopular: another channel please
[22:16] <warp10> thank you totopalma! ;)
[22:16] <mdke> that's a very extensively documented wiki page, and shows plenty of contribution in different areas. I'm happy in particular to see you contributing to the UWN, which is a vital resource. +1 from me
[22:16] <mdke> thanks tyche and keep it up!
[22:16] <mako> tyche: you seem have been quietly at work at a bunch of things that are often pretty thankless
[22:16] <tyche> Thanks mdke
[22:17] <mako> i especially appreciate the work you've done writing meter summaries and such
[22:17] <tyche> Yep.  But it's what I'm good at
[22:17] <johnc4510> mako: agreed
[22:17]  * mdke nods
[22:17] <mako> i did that for ubuntu for all the core team meetings for the first six months or so
[22:17] <mako> and man, it's hard :)
[22:17] <mako> tyche: so i'm thrilled to give you a +1
[22:17] <mako> great contributions
[22:17] <mako> we need more members like you
[22:17] <tyche> Takes me about 2 hours on a sunday morning, starting about 5:00 AM
[22:17] <tyche> Thanks, mako
[22:18] <mako> oh no, mikeb is gone
[22:18] <tyche> AAAARRRRRGGG!  Hee hee
[22:18] <mako> he's back :)
[22:18] <mdke> elmo: tyche?
[22:19] <johnc4510> yeah
[22:19] <MikeB> xchat is killing me
[22:19] <elmo> +1
[22:19] <tyche> thanks elmo
[22:19] <MikeB> +1 for tyche
[22:19] <johnc4510> w00t  congrats tyche   newest ubuntu member
[22:19] <tyche> thanks, MikeB
[22:19] <greg-g> well done tyche
[22:19] <boredandblogging> tyche: congrats!
[22:19] <tyche> WHEW!! Thanks all, and all my supporters
[22:19] <michaelramm> tyche: grats!
[22:20] <greg-g> I'm next on the agenda, here comes the paste:
[22:21] <greg-g> Hello!  My name is Greg and I am the Founder/Leader of the Michigan LoCo Team (which was approved on Nov. 29th).
[22:21] <greg-g> My other main area of contribution, aside from leading the Michigan LoCo, is in bug triage: I am a member of the Bug Control team on LP and actively participating in the new 5-a-day program.
[22:21] <greg-g> Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GregGrossmeier  LP: https://launchpad.net/~greg.grossmeier
[22:21] <greg-g> Any questions?
[22:21] <greg-g> mako: this is Greg, the person who gave you a ride back to your hotel in Michigan :)
[22:21] <johnc4510> w00t for greg-g
[22:21] <greg-g> (if you have time that is)
[22:21] <mako> ah, hi greg-g ! :)
[22:21] <mako> thanks for the ride :)
[22:21] <greg-g> no worries, good meeting you
[22:21] <anthony> greg-g has chaired an ubuntu-us meeting that I attended, quite well, and like posingaspopular been very helpful in encouraging some of the newer teams as they get started, and giving advice to me as a new team contact.  Also, we all know about his packaging jams.  :)
[22:21] <rick_h_> ++ for greg. Been an inspiration to a bunch of us in michigan and helped setup the first packaging jam and put together a great bug jam
[22:22] <posingaspopular> anthony: pm me plz
[22:22] <boredandblogging> greg-g goes out of his way to encourage new teams
[22:22] <mdke> greg-g: what events have you been most personally involved in for your local teams?
[22:23] <greg-g> Well, the team has been doing a lot with packaging Jams
[22:23] <posingaspopular> i like greg-g, and he is awesome with the midwetri loco
[22:23] <greg-g> unfortunately I couldn't make the first one due to it being my g/f and I's 3 year anniversary :)
[22:23] <johnc4510> greg-g: is a great ubuntu member candidate and deserves recognition for all he's done
[22:23] <greg-g> mostly I am the whip behind the team
[22:24] <johnc4510> ouch
[22:24] <mdke> I'd quite like to know more about some specific contributions, just to get an idea of what stuff you do
[22:24] <mdke> what aspect of your contribution are you most proud of?
[22:25] <rick_h_> the whole michigan team was his start. He emailed some local LUG guys about putting together a team and put it through. So big credit for that
[22:25] <greg-g> oh, well.  In addition to working on planning events for the team (release parties, packaging jams) I am also currently trying to work hard on bug triaging to help with the new 5-a-day program and increase my knowledge at the same time
[22:25] <posingaspopular> mdke: greg-g is usually the one who gets all the details together for the midwest tri-loco team meetings, irc chan time etc.
[22:25] <greg-g> I am most proud of the fact that the Michigan team was the first team to host a pacakaging Jam and started a trend :)
[22:28] <greg-g> any other details you would like to know?
[22:29] <mdke> greg-g: what was your personal involvement in the packaging jam initiative?
[22:29] <mdke> I can tell you're a team player but I'm just trying to get a grip of some of your individual contributions :)
[22:29] <greg-g> mdke: planning.  Since I was unable to attend due to the anniversary conflict
[22:30] <greg-g> also, the coordination of the team's efforts for our presence at Penguicon
[22:30] <greg-g> which is an ongoing topic at our meetings of course
[22:31] <greg-g> (our activities will include a room party with demos of Hardy, which will be release 1 week after the con)
[22:31] <mdke> cool. Ok, well I think that the leader of a well organised and effective team deserves recognition and I think that even if it's not 100% spelt out on your wiki page, your contribution is clear
[22:31] <mdke> +1 from me, let's see what others think
[22:31] <greg-g> thankyou mdke
[22:31] <MikeB> +1 here
[22:32] <elmo> +1
[22:33] <nxvl_work> mako: greg-g
[22:34] <nxvl_work> mdke: can i go while mako shows up?
[22:34] <nxvl_work> mdke: i'm the next on the agenda
[22:34] <mdke> nxvl_work: ok
[22:34] <nxvl_work> I'm Nicolas Valcarcel from Lima Perú, i'm member of the Peruvian LoCo Council, and have been involved difusion since 2003, and then i focused myself on Ubuntu, i have gave many talks in local conferences, some workshops at my univesrity and the last months working with the LoCo team making some work on conferences, also i have participate on the Ubuntu Developer Week as a speaker in one talk and co-speaker on another, and contributing to MOTU and
[22:34] <nxvl_work> Server Team fixing some bugs, traging some others and helping new contributors on what i can. I'm also been recently aproved on the pentesting team and invited to the UDS.
[22:34] <nxvl_work> My LP page is: https://edge.launchpad.net/~nvalcarcel
[22:34] <nxvl_work> And my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nxvl
[22:34] <nxvl_work> my plan is to become a MOTU in a shot time
[22:34] <mako> well, i'm happy with a +1 based on your work with the michigan team
[22:34] <mako> alright this i my last one :)
[22:34] <greg-g> thanks mako
[22:34] <boredandblogging> greg-g: congrats!
[22:35] <nxvl_work> i also want to look for the security aspects on the server team
[22:35] <greg-g> thanks everyone!
[22:35] <johnc4510> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers
[22:35] <johnc4510> oops
[22:35] <mdke> yes I think nxvl_work is the last one
[22:35] <johnc4510> lol
[22:35] <johnc4510> greg-g: congrats :)
[22:35] <ember> mdke i'm here too
[22:35] <nxvl_work> i'm also interested in make ubuntu community better and nicer for starters
[22:36] <mdke> ember: I'm afraid we have to draw the line somewhere - the meeting has gone on for too long now
[22:36] <nxvl_work> so they found a warm, nice and helpful community
[22:36]  * ScottK2 gives a big +1 for nxvl_work for both his MOTU and server team work.
[22:37] <norsetto> nxvl_work is a great contributor, helpful and positive, +1, go for it nxvl!
[22:37] <ScottK2> nxvl_work is someone I can reliably turn to if I need help with something I don't have time to complete by myself.
[22:37] <mdke> ok nxvl_work has some good recommendations on the wiki page and has clearly done some good work on the development side. good number of patches
[22:37] <mdke> +1 from me
[22:37] <mako> ember: sorry, it's almost 3 hours now.  i understand you've waited that long too but as mdke says, we have draw the line
[22:38]  * mako nods to mdke 
[22:38] <mako> +1 from me as well
[22:38] <MikeB> +1 here
[22:38] <mako> i eneded up reviewing nxvl_work last week
[22:38] <mako> and was impressed on his ubuntu contributions
[22:38] <mako> elmo: end the meeting :)
[22:38] <elmo> +1
[22:38] <nbliang> can we have the next meeting at a later time than 20:00 UTC? have to wait at around 4am (my time) for the meeting
[22:39] <mako> nbliang: or much ealier
[22:39] <mako> so it would be before you go to sleep
[22:39] <elmo> oh!
[22:39] <elmo> one tiny last thing
[22:39] <mako> yes?
[22:39] <nbliang> ok
[22:39] <nbliang> mako: thx
[22:39] <elmo> we breifly discussed changing the team to restricted and pointing folks at the howto-join page
[22:39] <mako> nbliang: we'll have it at a different time
[22:39] <elmo> is everyone ok with that?
[22:39] <mako> elmo: yes, it sounds like a great plan
[22:39] <elmo> to stop the applications piling up
[22:40] <mdke> yes, definitely a good thing to clean up the members list
[22:40] <nxvl_work> thank you all
[22:40]  * nxvl_work HUGS evetyone
[22:40] <MikeB> elmo, works for me
[22:40] <mako> brilliant
[22:40] <mako> thanks everyone who came
[22:40] <nbliang> thanks...
[22:40] <mako> ESPECIALLY thanks to everyone who was patient and we didn't get to
[22:40] <nbliang> will wai for the next meeting than
[22:40] <janquark> :)
[22:41] <mako> we made good progress.. and we've got a new process we're going to implement very soon that will fix this
[22:41] <mako> nobody will wait more than a couple weeks
[22:41] <mako> thanks again!
[22:41] <mdke> I'll echo that
[22:41] <posingaspopular> thanks to all the members who showed up and voted +1 and for the long meeting :P
[22:41] <mdke> good night all
[22:41] <posingaspopular> mako: keep the blogs strong
[22:42] <nbliang> good morning everybody ;)