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| dholbach | good morning | 07:26 |
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| slytherin | crevette: Good work on MIR. :-) | 08:11 |
| crevette | ah | 08:11 |
| crevette | hello | 08:11 |
| crevette | :) | 08:11 |
| * crevette needs to prepare its backpack for FOSDEM | 08:11 | |
| crevette | thanks | 08:12 |
| crevette | slytherin: a I'll be away from computer for one week, could you manage to ask upload of gnome-bluetooth 0.11 ? | 08:13 |
| slytherin | crevette: First we need to get obex-data-sever in main and bluez-gnome 0.21 in. :-) | 08:14 |
| crevette | yep | 08:14 |
| crevette | perhaps all will be done in less than 2 days, who knowns ? | 08:15 |
| crevette | :) | 08:15 |
| slytherin | crevette: I will try to handle it in your absense. | 08:15 |
| lool | crevette: Ah you're going to FOSDEM, perhaps we'll come across | 09:07 |
| crevette | youp I hope, do you know what I look alike ? | 09:08 |
| lool | I don't | 09:15 |
| slytherin | crevette: Looks like we were bit late with all the process. Alpha 5 is scheduled on 21st so those changes won't bee accepted as of now. | 09:22 |
| Fenario | amanda and sg: are you planning on calling me now? | 12:37 |
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| lool | I was blinking at « In an interview with LinuxDevices, MontaVista's new president and CEO Russell "Rusty" Harris said the company ... » | 13:34 |
| repete | Anyone know the login credentials for the Intel wiki? | 13:41 |
| repete | wrong window.... | 13:41 |
| * repete kicks xchat | 13:42 | |
| agoliveira | lool: Rusty is now Montavista's CEO? That's cool :) | 14:00 |
| bigon | tfheen: hi could you add the telepathy team to the bug bugcontact of telepathy-glib and telepathy-haze package | 14:10 |
| bigon | plz | 14:11 |
| Mithrandir | bigon: you should talk to me, not tfheen. :-) | 14:29 |
| bigon | oh https://edge.launchpad.net/~telepathy says thath tfheen is the team owner | 14:30 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Are you going tell him about your personas? :P | 14:32 |
| lool | bigon: (/whois Mithrandir :) | 14:32 |
| bigon | damm :p | 14:33 |
| Mithrandir | bigon: yes, tfheen is my other IRC client. (Look at the away message. :-) | 14:34 |
| suihkulokki | people here going to FOSDEM? | 14:36 |
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| lool | suihkulokki: I am | 14:39 |
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| Mithrandir | bigon: anyway, added. | 14:43 |
| bigon | thx | 14:43 |
| agoliveira | suihkulokki: I can only dream about it :( | 14:46 |
| slytherin | Mithrandir: Can you please look at FFE for bluez-gnome 0.21 and let me know if you have any questions? | 14:47 |
| Mithrandir | slytherin: isn't that blocked on obex-data-server in main first? | 14:48 |
| slytherin | Mithrandir: yes, I just wanted to have a review of .diff.gz. :-) And yes there is also a bug for MIR for obex-data-server. | 14:49 |
| Mithrandir | slytherin: oh, I'll be happy to review the diff, but I can't approve the exception before we have o-d-s in main | 14:50 |
| Mithrandir | slytherin: bug #? | 14:50 |
| bigon | Mithrandir: could you also see the FFE for tp-glib? | 14:51 |
| slytherin | bug 190405 for FFE and bug 193816 for MIR. | 14:51 |
| bigon | bug #193979 for tp-glib | 14:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 193979 in telepathy-glib "Please sync telepathy-glib 0.7.3-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193979 | 14:52 |
| slytherin | bug #190405 for FFE, bug #193816 for MIR. | 14:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 190405 in bluez-gnome "[FFE] please upgrade bluez-gnome to 0.21" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190405 | 14:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 193816 in obex-data-server "Main Inclusion Request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193816 | 14:52 |
| Mithrandir | hm, I think we want 0.2 of o-d-s too, don't we? | 14:53 |
| Mithrandir | slytherin: there's a bug in how prep_mv_conffile is being called, it's being called without a package name | 14:55 |
| Mithrandir | (in the preinst) | 14:56 |
| Mithrandir | slytherin: also, doesn't browsing work now? If so, why is it disabled? | 14:57 |
| slytherin | Mithrandir: Browsing doesn't work as of now. The backend is not finished in gvfs, AFAIK. | 14:57 |
| Mithrandir | hm, not even with o-d-s? | 14:58 |
| agoliveira | asac: Hi. Are you aware if the changes you've done in firefox are breaking openoffice builds? At least my builds on PPA are looking for firefox-xpcom and can't find it anymore. | 14:58 |
| slytherin | Mithrandir: With o-d-s it is not browsing, it is usual ftp transfers. | 14:58 |
| Mithrandir | slytherin: ah | 14:58 |
| Mithrandir | slytherin: why does it still depend on gnome-vfs-obexftp then? | 14:59 |
| slytherin | Mithrandir: In the hope that it will be fixed soon, considering that a obex patch is present for gvfs in gnome bugzilla. :-) | 15:00 |
| Mithrandir | apart from that, it looks fine to me | 15:01 |
| slytherin | Mithrandir: Any more questions? :-) | 15:01 |
| Mithrandir | slytherin: nope | 15:02 |
| Mithrandir | bigon: looks fine to me, though sispoty seems to want a diff of the symbol file | 15:03 |
| slytherin | Mithrandir: There have been some api changes in o-d-s 0.2 and I am not sure if bluez-gnome 0.21 has accomodated those changes. So I want to wait first to get o-d-s in main and FFE for bluez-gnome. Then we can think of upgrades. | 15:04 |
| Mithrandir | slytherin: ok | 15:06 |
| Mithrandir | I thought it needed 0.2, but I haven't tested it myself | 15:06 |
| bigon | Mithrandir: I've added the diff for exported symbols | 15:09 |
| slytherin | Mithrandir: By the way, does the MIR bug need to marked confirmed? | 15:10 |
| Mithrandir | slytherin: what does the wiki page documenting the process say? | 15:12 |
| asac | agoliveira: right ... calc is working on that and afaik he already has a patch for this specific issue. | 15:12 |
| agoliveira | asac: Ah, great. I'll poke him again later when he shows up. Thanks. | 15:13 |
| asac | but i think he didn't upload yet, because he wanted to get other things done first. maybe ping him | 15:13 |
| slytherin | Mithrandir: Doesn't say anything about confirming. I will leave it as it | 15:13 |
| agoliveira | asac: Yep. Just checked out the latest source and it's the same I already have. I'll flush-ping him later :) | 15:18 |
| asac | agoliveira: whip him hard :-D | 15:19 |
| agoliveira | asac: bad, bad, calc! | 15:20 |
| smagoun | amitk: Can I use apt-get source to get the exact kernel installed on a given machine? I'm using Hardy+PPA, 'apt-get source linux-image-2.6.24-8-lpia' pulls the source for 2.6.24-9.15. | 15:47 |
| smagoun | amitk: 'apt-get source linux-image-2.6.24-8-lpia=2.6.24-8.14' claims source isn't available | 15:47 |
| smagoun | amitk: and the latest linux-source package is 2.6.24-8.8 | 15:48 |
| amitk | smagoun: something like this will get you the exact source: dget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24_2.6.24.7-7.17.dsc; | 15:48 |
| amitk | adapt for kernel version, url, etc. | 15:49 |
| amitk | Above command followed by 'dpkg-source -x *.dsc' | 15:49 |
| smagoun | amitk: Thanks, I'll take that approach. I have to script a source download, I was hoping apt-get source could save me some time. | 15:51 |
| lool | amitk: dget -x to extract after get ;) | 16:01 |
| lool | smagoun: I have an ugly "list-debs" thingy to list .dsc URLs for me; it's especially useful when I'm under Ubuntu looking for Debian packages or vice-versa | 16:02 |
| amitk | lool: ummm.. right :) | 16:02 |
| lool | smagoun: It's really ugly, throw a nicer one at me if you write one ;) http://people.dooz.org/~lool/debian/list-debs | 16:03 |
| amitk | lool: man page for dget says that it runs dpkg-source -x | 16:04 |
| smagoun | lool: thanks, I'll take a look. | 16:06 |
| smagoun | amitk: why isn't the linux-source package updated (automatically?) at the same time as the kernel? | 16:07 |
| amitk | smagoun: The package name isn't linux-source anymore - that was in gutsy, it is linux-<vers> now IIRC | 16:09 |
| lool | amitk: Yes, I just wanted you to save the dpkg-source -x call | 16:09 |
| amitk | and it should be automatically updated, this is all handled internally by the debian build and archive system | 16:09 |
| amitk | lool: I saved one fork() or spawn() :-p | 16:10 |
| lool | But how many keyboard interrupts, hmm? | 16:10 |
| smagoun | amitk: ah, ok. There's a linux-source and a linux-source-<ver>. I only saw the metapackage | 16:11 |
| dholbach | Ubuntu Developer Week is going on, join #ubuntu-classroom | 16:30 |
| * rustyl starts creating a fresh hardy-ppa target | 16:52 | |
| * lool fears | 16:52 | |
| * GrueMaster hears a dog barking in the lonely distance.... | 16:53 | |
| davidm | About to start meeting | 16:59 |
| davidm | #startmeeting | 16:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 16:59. The chair is davidm. | 16:59 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:59 |
| davidm | Good day everyone, | 16:59 |
| rustyl | morning | 16:59 |
| davidm | Agenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080221 | 17:00 |
| davidm | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080221 | 17:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080221 | 17:01 |
| davidm | Has anyone seen ChickenCutlass? | 17:01 |
| bfiller | still on holiday | 17:02 |
| davidm | OK I'll postpone his action until next week then | 17:02 |
| davidm | [topic] cwong1 to to look into languages pack differences between midbrowser and firefox and report back. | 17:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: cwong1 to to look into languages pack differences between midbrowser and firefox and report back. | 17:02 |
| cwong1 | Here is what I find out: | 17:03 |
| cwong1 | Firefox lang pack is installed as an extension. | 17:03 |
| cwong1 | We need to modify the install.rdf file in order for it to be able to install | 17:04 |
| cwong1 | also, we have to add more stuff to the package. | 17:04 |
| cwong1 | We need to translate the strings used by the Grabanddrag extension and add to the package. | 17:04 |
| cwong1 | So the bottom line is we can just use the fireox's lang pack asis. | 17:05 |
| cwong1 | s/can/can't/ | 17:05 |
| cwong1 | I will attempt to create a lang pack and try it and see if it works. | 17:06 |
| kyleN | it might be helpful is someone who really knows the ubuntu lang pack mechanisms, including those used with Moz, could help figure out a solution here. | 17:07 |
| kyleN | s /is/if/ | 17:07 |
| davidm | cwong1, will you have time to test this by next week? | 17:07 |
| cwong1 | yes. | 17:07 |
| davidm | cwong1, can you take an action to report back next week with results then? | 17:08 |
| cwong1 | ok | 17:08 |
| cwong1 | kyleN: is Asac responsible for the ubuntu lang pack? | 17:09 |
| kyleN | cwong1: I am not sure, but I believe at least he is knowledgable | 17:09 |
| davidm | [action] cwong1, attempt to create an lang pack to report back next week with results. | 17:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: cwong1, attempt to create an lang pack to report back next week with results. | 17:09 |
| asac | cwong1: i am certainly not responsible to translate them ;) | 17:09 |
| cwong1 | accept | 17:09 |
| cwong1 | :) | 17:09 |
| kyleN | cwong1: right, we need a solution that enables translation too | 17:09 |
| kyleN | via luanchpad, like everything else | 17:10 |
| asac | bad news: launchpad team gave me heads up 2 days ago, that we won't have xpi export for hardy | 17:10 |
| cwong1 | K | 17:10 |
| Mithrandir | well, firefox isn't translated through LP, so that's blocked on LP supporting that. | 17:10 |
| asac | i will still try to get something going, but i cannot tell how likely this is to succeed | 17:10 |
| lool | asac: Oh I just talked with Danilo about it and he said it was almost finished but not finished yet | 17:11 |
| lool | I thought it would be done for hardy :-( | 17:11 |
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| asac | lool: me too ... but 2 days ago things went different. i am now looking if i can hack something that allows us to map .po files to firefox translations | 17:12 |
| asac | as launchpad supports import of .xpi, but no export | 17:12 |
| asac | but i cannot tell yet if that will work. | 17:12 |
| lool | asac: That's what I was told to do for hildon msgids | 17:12 |
| kyleN | asac. we may face the same issue with hildon | 17:12 |
| asac | maye someone can help out on eventual coding required to do this? | 17:13 |
| lool | asac: I'd suggest asking calc or looking at oo.o | 17:13 |
| asac | i would figure out the procedure (if possible at all), but help in code would be appreciated | 17:13 |
| lool | asac: As I was told it's doing this already | 17:13 |
| asac | lool: for the concept yes. but coding, testing all cases et al would require a bunch of work, i am not sure i can handle alone for hardy | 17:14 |
| lool | asac: Because of the XPI format itself? | 17:14 |
| asac | yes ... its definitly not trivial. i will give heads up next week. have to talk to launchpad folks (and calc) and so on | 17:14 |
| kyleN | davidm: since translating hildon seems like a requirement for mobile, can you and patm talk about resources to help with this coding? | 17:15 |
| lool | asac: Let's give you action to report your success or call for help for next week then? | 17:15 |
| asac | yes please | 17:15 |
| lool | kyleN: It's different with Hildon, it's PO | 17:15 |
| kyleN | I though hildon also uses XPI | 17:15 |
| asac | really? | 17:15 |
| kyleN | some sort of po/xpi hybrid | 17:15 |
| asac | that would be news ;) | 17:15 |
| lool | [action] (asac) report on code to create XPI from LP exports or look around for help to complete this | 17:15 |
| agoliveira | Ouch... | 17:15 |
| asac | lool: thanks | 17:16 |
| davidm | [action] (asac) report on code to create XPI from LP exports or look around for help to complete this and report back next week. | 17:16 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: (asac) report on code to create XPI from LP exports or look around for help to complete this and report back next week. | 17:16 |
| lool | Thanks | 17:16 |
| asac | well ... i hoped that some lead wold look around for help :) | 17:16 |
| asac | davidm: thanks. we can look for help if i figured the theory | 17:16 |
| lool | kyleN: Hildon uses string ids, but XPIs?! | 17:16 |
| * asac over and out | 17:16 | |
| lool | kyleN: Perhaps we can discuss this after the meeting | 17:16 |
| davidm | asac, that works, lets take that off line then. | 17:16 |
| kyleN | i lool, I could be wrong, but someone mentioned that along the way | 17:16 |
| davidm | OK next topic? | 17:17 |
| kyleN | sure | 17:17 |
| lool | kyleN: Bring it up with me after the meeting then, please :) | 17:17 |
| davidm | [topic] kyleN to follow up with ToddBrandt offline on control panel i18n status. | 17:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: kyleN to follow up with ToddBrandt offline on control panel i18n status. | 17:17 |
| kyleN | ToddBrandt said cotrol panels implement gettext but it is "not switched on" | 17:17 |
| kyleN | not sue what that means really, but can it be "switched on"? | 17:18 |
| lool | ToddBrandt: Are you by chance around to immediately comment? | 17:18 |
| davidm | anyone at Intel near when ToddBrandt is? | 17:19 |
| rustyl | well, adding a mo file with fake translations to the right local directory will test this real quick | 17:19 |
| mawhalen | looking | 17:19 |
| davidm | mawhalen, thanks. | 17:19 |
| lool | I see _() calls all around the place, but no po/ | 17:20 |
| rustyl | i know that no translations have been created | 17:20 |
| lool | No POT either | 17:20 |
| rustyl | hmm... the applets run inside the hildon-desktop process | 17:21 |
| rustyl | so if hildon-desktop is not properly initially gettext (setting local and all that jazz), then the gettext calls will not pick anything up | 17:22 |
| rustyl | maybe that is what ToddBrandt is talking about? | 17:22 |
| lool | I could get some pot file generated by inserting intltoo m4 macros and intltoolizing + intlool-updating --port | 17:22 |
| lool | rustyl: That would be a good explanation; did you discuss options around this already? | 17:23 |
| lool | Is it reasonnable to assign to ToddBrandt to generate proper templates in moblin-applets and perhaps tell us how he thinks we should handle gettext domain setting? | 17:23 |
| rustyl | i haven't thought about it... just thinking on my feet right now | 17:23 |
| rustyl | are the template files normally checked into the source tree? | 17:24 |
| lool | Is ToddBrandt around this week to give us more info on what's need to be done or to do it? | 17:24 |
| rustyl | i normally just create them myself | 17:24 |
| rustyl | yes, he is around | 17:24 |
| kyleN | I would like to gently suggest that Moblin needs to take an action to manage proper i18n implementations in all their code, to completion. | 17:25 |
| lool | rustyl: Usually there are proper releases with tarballs where we have these; po files are usually commited, I dont' think pot are | 17:25 |
| davidm | We have a lot to cover and we are kind of stuck here without ToddBrand, can we assign ToddBrandt an action to look into this? | 17:25 |
| rustyl | lool, that's what i thought... and a po file is a translation which we will not be doing | 17:26 |
| agoliveira | davidm: Of course, he's not here to deny :P | 17:26 |
| lool | rustyl: But is there anything in place yet to just build templates? | 17:26 |
| rustyl | lool, beyond the inttool stuff? | 17:26 |
| lool | rustyl: ATM, you can't run intltool-update --pot; I had to hack intltool in quickly | 17:26 |
| lool | Even if the file isn't committed because it's "generated", the rules to build it must be checked in | 17:27 |
| rustyl | ok, you mean Makefile rules? | 17:27 |
| lool | Yes, and configure.in checks etc. | 17:27 |
| lool | rustyl: For example, running intltoolize in autogen.sh, adding IT_PROG_INTLTOOL to configure.in, creating a po/ etc. | 17:28 |
| rustyl | what would be nice is a very clear definition on what Ubuntu expects for a properly internationalized (but not localized) application | 17:28 |
| kyleN | rustyl: absolutely. that would help | 17:28 |
| lool | Perhaps we can defer to the GNOME definition since we're building on Hildon which builds on GMAE | 17:29 |
| rustyl | if we can get that definition, then we can log a bug for each moblin project and just manage the bug database to fix all the projects | 17:29 |
| rustyl | for example... what magic do i need to do in my package so that launchpad is able to handle translations? | 17:30 |
| lool | AIUI, call intlool-update from po/ during the build | 17:30 |
| lool | This requires a PO-based/gettext-based package | 17:30 |
| lool | But I think this is a bit far reaching for the meeting | 17:30 |
| lool | rustyl: Would this help? http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Localize using gettext and intltool | 17:31 |
| * rustyl looks at the page | 17:31 | |
| lool | There are many resources at http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject | 17:31 |
| davidm | [link] http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Localize | 17:31 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Localize | 17:31 |
| bspencer_ | "This page does not exist.."? | 17:31 |
| davidm | [link] http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Localize | 17:31 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Localize | 17:31 |
| bspencer_ | http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines | 17:32 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines | 17:32 |
| lool | You need the rest + using gettext and intltool | 17:32 |
| kyleN | yes, these links have lots of info. but can it be boiled down for Moblin and others to the five or so things you need to do? | 17:32 |
| lool | [link] http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Localize using gettext and intltool | 17:32 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Localize using gettext and intltool | 17:32 |
| lool | kyleN: Perhaps someone can volunteer to sum the executive steps | 17:33 |
| lool | +up | 17:33 |
| bspencer_ | http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Localize%20using%20gettext%20and%20intltool | 17:34 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Localize%20using%20gettext%20and%20intltool | 17:34 |
| lool | I think it's easy enough for people writing modules to look how other modules in the GMAE stack (not the Hildon one) are doing it | 17:34 |
| lool | bspencer_: Thanks; I was too lazy to fix the spaces :) | 17:34 |
| bspencer_ | lool, I'm less confused :) | 17:35 |
| lool | rustyl: So would this be enough resources to look into other GNOME modules and at the GNOME wiki to complete the i18n support in moblin-applets? | 17:35 |
| ToddBrandt | davidm: I'm here, sorry | 17:35 |
| lool | ToddBrandt: Cool; we were discussing what's missing from the moblin-applets source to complete i18n infrastructure | 17:36 |
| ToddBrandt | oh ok | 17:36 |
| rustyl | what i worry about is if all the links describe a range of many many things that could be done, but there is some subset that is "required" in order for this team to not be disapointed | 17:36 |
| kyleN | lool, I will sum the executive steps if you will review them before I post them | 17:36 |
| davidm | kyleN, excellent, lool this OK with you? | 17:37 |
| lool | kyleN: SOunds like a deal | 17:37 |
| kyleN | and perhaps assist me with your oceanic knowledge as I pull this together | 17:37 |
| rustyl | BTW, we still have an issue with moblin-applets and the mobile-basic-flash | 17:37 |
| lool | rustyl, ToddBrandt: ok with you? | 17:38 |
| kyleN | lool, can we then meet soon, szy tomorrow, to discuss/kick this off? | 17:38 |
| ToddBrandt | lool: The gnome-control-center source (which mobli-applets is essentially a fork of) had complete internationalization support. I pulled some of it out but I can pull it back over again | 17:38 |
| davidm | [action] kyleN will sum the executive steps for i18n for GMA and lool to review them before posting. | 17:38 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kyleN will sum the executive steps for i18n for GMA and lool to review them before posting. | 17:38 |
| ToddBrandt | sounds good | 17:38 |
| lool | kyleN: Yes, but not too late as I'm leaving for FOSDEM in my afternoon; rather after the meeting would be bestr | 17:38 |
| kyleN | ok | 17:38 |
| lool | ToddBrandt: That would be nice; please on your side continue i18nizing until we can actually import a pot into launchpad; is that possible? | 17:39 |
| rustyl | lool, kyleN, ToddBrandt: don't forget... moblin-applets is executing inside the hildon-desktop | 17:39 |
| rustyl | and hildon-desktop has it's own wacky way of doing translations, right? | 17:39 |
| kyleN | rustyl: I am not sure what the consequences are of that fact | 17:39 |
| lool | rustyl: Even if it does, we need the infrastructure to translate its strings; this will involve pot / po files | 17:40 |
| kyleN | hildon uses po files, but non-english message ids, which is weird. there may be other weirdnesses | 17:40 |
| Mithrandir | rustyl: that shouldn't matter, it only complicates translations. | 17:40 |
| kyleN | i wonder whether hildon itself should just be made fully gettext compliant | 17:40 |
| ToddBrandt | lool: yes, I'll bring it all back in will rearrange the info to align with the text from the very latest moblin-applets | 17:40 |
| rustyl | ok, so hildon-desktop is doing the right thing... no problem then | 17:40 |
| davidm | ToddBrandt, how long do you think that will take? | 17:41 |
| lool | Good; davidm will [action] this and we can move on | 17:41 |
| kyleN | afterall, hildon is now in gnome and gnome is gettext | 17:41 |
| ToddBrandt | davidm: if I make it top priority, I'll have it ready by end of day tomorrow | 17:41 |
| davidm | ToddBrandt, so an action for next week is OK then? | 17:42 |
| ToddBrandt | davidm: yes | 17:42 |
| davidm | [action] ToddBrandt to continue building i18n infrastucture to match the gnome-control-center one by next week. | 17:42 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ToddBrandt to continue building i18n infrastucture to match the gnome-control-center one by next week. | 17:42 |
| davidm | OK I think we can move on now. | 17:42 |
| davidm | [topic] Mithrandir and lool to determine what is the best solution for "the probability that there will be significant user interface string changes post freeze that will need to be translated" | 17:42 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Mithrandir and lool to determine what is the best solution for "the probability that there will be significant user interface string changes post freeze that will need to be translated" | 17:42 |
| Mithrandir | lool: feel like explaining it all to people? | 17:43 |
| lool | I discussed this with Rosetta people and Tollef; most technical bits are clearer now, and if we really want to, we can setup a new Launchpad project to have our own translation imports and exports | 17:43 |
| kyleN | oooh | 17:43 |
| lool | It would involve a lot of manual work as we would need to upload source for each package, translate, and then upload the resulting translations | 17:43 |
| lool | I understand we would be able to upload one big translation pack with all our translated strings from our forked source packages | 17:44 |
| lool | We can't easily get a similar setup for PPA uploads as for Ubuntu uploads | 17:44 |
| lool | In general, it's best to continue using regular infrastructure until the string/ui freeze (we've almost reached it unfortunately) | 17:44 |
| lool | So the best thing to do is to keep the number of string changes to an absolute minimum | 17:45 |
| lool | A very minimalistic solution which we could use instead is to ship translations in the packages themselves (as GNOME does) for the packages where we change strings | 17:45 |
| lool | The first solution requires writing glue and doing many uploads | 17:45 |
| lool | I've sent detailed notes on this topic to Kyle; it depends a lot on the amount of changes we target | 17:46 |
| kyleN | my guess is the minimilistic solution, but I wonder if for Ibex release we might fix this? | 17:46 |
| lool | Is any of the above unclear? | 17:46 |
| lool | kyleN: To "fix" it the best thing to do is to align with the Ubuntu release schedule | 17:46 |
| davidm | Can we post the detailed notes on the ubuntu wiki? | 17:47 |
| lool | davidm: It's from an email exchange, but I can reformat it for the wiki | 17:47 |
| kyleN | lool, do you think standard lang packs are good for mobile, or are they too big? | 17:47 |
| lool | (I'll also check if anything is confidential, but I don't think so) | 17:47 |
| davidm | hopefully with the next go around we can do more planning at the UDS so we come closer to the Ibex release schedule. | 17:47 |
| lool | kyleN: We need lang packs for our seed I think | 17:48 |
| davidm | lool, thanks | 17:48 |
| kyleN | lool, so that's the kind of "fix" I was talking about | 17:48 |
| lool | kyleN: I didn't understand this is what we had to look up | 17:49 |
| bfiller | lool: so we don't currently have language packs specific for the mobile build? | 17:49 |
| davidm | [lool] to reformat detailed notes user interface string changes post freeze and post to Ubuntu wiki. | 17:49 |
| davidm | [action] lool to reformat detailed notes user interface string changes post freeze and post to Ubuntu wiki. | 17:49 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to reformat detailed notes user interface string changes post freeze and post to Ubuntu wiki. | 17:49 |
| lool | I don't think so | 17:49 |
| kyleN | lool, there are a lot of issues here, and lang pack size/mobile specific lang packs is one of them | 17:49 |
| lool | Just like there's no Xfce lang pack | 17:49 |
| lool | But there's a KDE one | 17:50 |
| bfiller | lool: what kind of work is involved with making mobile specific packs? | 17:50 |
| lool | I don't know; I suspect there's a big script running on the tarballs generated from LP | 17:50 |
| kyleN | langpack-o-matic script, I think | 17:51 |
| davidm | Folks we are runnig out of time here can we take this conversation to email? | 17:51 |
| lool | I would suspect we need to configure the seed into the LP Ubuntu export to get tarballs for the mobile seed, then update the rules | 17:51 |
| bfiller | lool: thanks, that makes sense | 17:51 |
| lool | Do I need to do research on this as well? | 17:51 |
| lool | (Which naturally eats my time not doing something else ;-) | 17:51 |
| davidm | lool, I think someone needs to do it. does it have to be you? | 17:52 |
| bfiller | lool: would be appreciated. kyleN can you help out as well? | 17:52 |
| kyleN | I can help out | 17:52 |
| lool | I gained most knowledge about language packs recently, so I'm not deeply competent, but it could be me | 17:52 |
| davidm | [action] lool kyleN to research if need to configure the seed into the LP Ubuntu export to get tarballs for the mobile seed, then update the rules | 17:52 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool kyleN to research if need to configure the seed into the LP Ubuntu export to get tarballs for the mobile seed, then update the rules | 17:52 |
| lool | Let's assign it to me + kyleN here as well then | 17:52 |
| davidm | OK next topic | 17:53 |
| davidm | [topic] Mithrandir to split up remaining Hildon packages that need to be upgraded amongst everybody except people who claim they are busy with other things. | 17:53 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Mithrandir to split up remaining Hildon packages that need to be upgraded amongst everybody except people who claim they are busy with other things. | 17:53 |
| davidm | Mithrandir, ? | 17:53 |
| Mithrandir | I've failed to do that; Somebody said lool had a page of all the components and their statuses, but he wasn't around when I asked him so it fell through. | 17:54 |
| Mithrandir | lool: do you have that URL? | 17:54 |
| lool | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Hildon2.0 ? | 17:54 |
| bfiller | Mithrandir: I posted it to the email list. It's on the wiki:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Hildon2.0 | 17:54 |
| Mithrandir | ah, thanks. | 17:54 |
| Mithrandir | davidm: please just give me the action item again and I'll get it done before the next meeting. | 17:55 |
| davidm | OK | 17:55 |
| davidm | [action] Mithrandir to split up remaining Hildon packages that need to be upgraded amongst everybody except people who claim they are busy with other things. (carryover) | 17:55 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Mithrandir to split up remaining Hildon packages that need to be upgraded amongst everybody except people who claim they are busy with other things. (carryover) | 17:55 |
| davidm | [topic] Mithrandir to nag about the import; we have it set up already but it's just in testing. | 17:55 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Mithrandir to nag about the import; we have it set up already but it's just in testing. | 17:55 |
| Mithrandir | that's set up | 17:56 |
| Mithrandir | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/libmokoui2/trunk has an import now, so Frank should be able to work from that import using bzr. | 17:56 |
| lool | Can someone relay this to Frank? | 17:57 |
| lool | bspencer_: ^^^ ? | 17:57 |
| rustyl | FYI: since I went ahead and uploaded the latest moko package from moblin to unblock my uploading of other moblin packages | 17:57 |
| Mithrandir | probably good if StevenK does it, as he's been helping out already. | 17:57 |
| bspencer_ | lool, es | 17:57 |
| rustyl | /since// | 17:57 |
| bspencer_ | y | 17:57 |
| lool | bspencer_: Thanks | 17:57 |
| davidm | new topic? | 17:58 |
| bspencer_ | davidm, hold | 17:58 |
| bspencer_ | is StevenK here? | 17:58 |
| davidm | No, he is not currently | 17:58 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: I doubt it :) | 17:58 |
| bspencer_ | smagoun, you noted rusty's comment? | 17:58 |
| rustyl | i have a new topic | 17:58 |
| davidm | rustyl, please add it to the wiki page | 17:58 |
| smagoun | bspencer_: I'm 'smagoun', not 'StevenK' :) | 17:58 |
| kyleN | rustyl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080221 | 17:59 |
| bspencer_ | smagoun, yes, just noting since you were the one who rolled back mobile-media before | 17:59 |
| bspencer_ | should work now, but we have our own moko in the PPA, not the one Mithrandir mentioned | 17:59 |
| bspencer_ | ok, that's all. | 17:59 |
| bspencer_ | davidm, unhold | 17:59 |
| davidm | OK, next topic | 17:59 |
| smagoun | bspencer_: ah, gotcha. As long as I can build a working image from the PPA I'm happy | 18:00 |
| bspencer_ | yep | 18:00 |
| rustyl | i just want to ask about the status of fixing the dbus session while running a hardy ppa target in Xephyr | 18:00 |
| davidm | [topic] (lool) UDS Prague attendance (FOSSCamp in particular) | 18:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: (lool) UDS Prague attendance (FOSSCamp in particular) | 18:00 |
| rustyl | do i need to update the wiki for that? | 18:00 |
| davidm | rustyl, yes | 18:00 |
| rustyl | ok, what section? | 18:00 |
| lool | I was wondering who was planning to attend UDS (and FOSSCamp) | 18:00 |
| bspencer_ | rustyl, end of Current Items | 18:00 |
| davidm | at the bottom of Current Items | 18:01 |
| davidm | On the Intel side do you have plans yet? | 18:01 |
| lool | At the moment, I'm planning to only attend UDS; if folks on this chan or Intel folks in particular know they will come, could they please build a list? | 18:01 |
| davidm | On our side Mobile team is attending UDS, Stevenk and I FOSSCamp | 18:02 |
| davidm | I don't know about the MBU team yet | 18:02 |
| lool | As always, the more people can come, the more things we can discuss in a fast and constructive way, and the more things we can get done! :-) | 18:02 |
| bfiller | lool: the MID team status is uncertain depending on customer commitments | 18:02 |
| bfiller | lool: we all want to attend | 18:02 |
| lool | bfiller: Excellent news :) | 18:02 |
| kyleN | yessiree | 18:02 |
| davidm | bfiller, it will make our list of things to do shorter if you don't come ;-) | 18:03 |
| bfiller | lool: excellent if we can come :) | 18:03 |
| bspencer_ | Intel hasn't discussed this yet, or costs. | 18:03 |
| bfiller | davidm: that is for sure! | 18:03 |
| davidm | Ok next topic | 18:03 |
| lool | So this was just to bring the subject up; in general Canonical people know how this works, if people at Intel know of someone outside of Intel who should come please tell us! | 18:03 |
| lool | bspencer_: (Would be nice to discuss on your side!) | 18:03 |
| davidm | [topic] (lool) Status reports on the public mailing list | 18:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: (lool) Status reports on the public mailing list | 18:03 |
| bspencer_ | mawhalen, note: discuss UDS attendance :) | 18:04 |
| lool | I think that's obvious from my status report | 18:04 |
| lool | I stopped sending status reports for a while (publicly) which is wrong (tm) | 18:04 |
| davidm | bspencer_, I've sent a request to Intel for some specific people to attend | 18:04 |
| lool | I think we should resume sending them | 18:04 |
| lool | Intel folks were better behaved than me here | 18:05 |
| davidm | lool, I agree we need to keep them on the public lists when possible. | 18:05 |
| davidm | OK next topic OK? | 18:05 |
| lool | I personally copy paste my internal activity reports into a public one filtered from confidential issues | 18:05 |
| lool | (ok for next topic) | 18:05 |
| agoliveira | lool: You're right. I missed that too. | 18:05 |
| davidm | [topic] (kyleN) Moblin theme inconsistency with Hildon Theme tools to be fixed by updating layout.txt and template.png? (Mentioned in Shane Bryan's Moblin Theme Guide) | 18:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: (kyleN) Moblin theme inconsistency with Hildon Theme tools to be fixed by updating layout.txt and template.png? (Mentioned in Shane Bryan's Moblin Theme Guide) | 18:05 |
| GrueMaster | Question on status reports: Do we (Intel) want to put benchmark info on system steppings in the public forum? | 18:06 |
| kyleN | so we will need to make some 'themes". and Shane's good writeup points out the Intel has not updated their theme to supprot the theme tools | 18:06 |
| lool | GrueMaster: If you can, any info is good | 18:06 |
| davidm | GrueMaster, I think not | 18:06 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | GrueMaster: very doubtful | 18:06 |
| GrueMaster | That's what I thought. | 18:06 |
| kyleN | bspencer_: do you have anything to say to this point? | 18:06 |
| davidm | Intel Canonical Wiki I think is the place for those | 18:06 |
| * lool notes | 18:07 | |
| bspencer_ | sabotage, ping | 18:07 |
| GrueMaster | I just noticed some of that in a recent email post. | 18:07 |
| lool | kyleN: Which writeup is this? | 18:07 |
| bspencer_ | kyleN, yes, we need to make sure the tools are updated, and then gen a new theme using the tools | 18:07 |
| kyleN | lool, mentioned in Topic | 18:07 |
| bspencer_ | and sabotage (Shane Bryan) has this assignment | 18:07 |
| lool | Ok | 18:07 |
| lool | bspencer_: Is it doable for next week? | 18:08 |
| kyleN | bspencer_: does he need an action? | 18:08 |
| bspencer_ | kyleN, he needs to attend first :) | 18:08 |
| bspencer_ | lool, I don't know. It would be a stretch | 18:08 |
| kyleN | then do you need one, bspencer_ ? ;) | 18:08 |
| bspencer_ | lool, we should bring it up with mawhalen and sabotage | 18:08 |
| bfiller | bspencer_: related question is when will sabotage "release" his document to the public? | 18:08 |
| lool | bspencer_: Ok, let's action our two to get this scheduled | 18:09 |
| mawhalen | bspencer_: I'll follow up on that one | 18:09 |
| lool | So action on mawhalen to plan the theme update? | 18:09 |
| bspencer_ | bfiller, soon. We have just to review again and legal-proof it. Nothing extraordinary. That can be done by next week :) | 18:09 |
| davidm | [action] mawhalen to followup on when theme tools are updated, and then gen a new theme using the tools with sabotage (Shane Bryan) | 18:10 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mawhalen to followup on when theme tools are updated, and then gen a new theme using the tools with sabotage (Shane Bryan) | 18:10 |
| bfiller | bspencer_: thanks | 18:10 |
| kyleN | great | 18:10 |
| davidm | next topic | 18:10 |
| sabotage | sorry folks...on another call... | 18:10 |
| bspencer_ | sabotage, the Q is 3 parts | 18:11 |
| bspencer_ | 1) doc | 18:11 |
| bspencer_ | 2) theme tools | 18:11 |
| lool | rustyl: What about we add some MIC code to properly do this as it starts a terminal with proper mounts? | 18:11 |
| bspencer_ | 3) theme from tools | 18:11 |
| sabotage | Theme guide has been reviewed by editor, I have been adding updates and proper attributions, and it will need at least one more tech ed review and a legal review before publishing | 18:11 |
| sabotage | no action yet on the tools | 18:11 |
| rustyl | lool... are talking about the dbus session issue? | 18:11 |
| davidm | sabotage, do you have any timeframes for this | 18:12 |
| lool | rustyl: Sorry, I'm anticipating | 18:12 |
| davidm | rustyl, not yet | 18:12 |
| bfiller | kyleN: can you and sabotage offline the specific issues you are having with themes? | 18:12 |
| davidm | almost | 18:12 |
| sabotage | actually, I was hoping for more feedback from kyleN bfiller and others I sent it to before we start changing the tools | 18:12 |
| davidm | rustyl, almost, it's the next topic | 18:12 |
| kyleN | bfiller: yes, but it's an intel issue to bring their images into theme compliance | 18:12 |
| sabotage | davidm: timeframe for what? | 18:12 |
| davidm | items bspencer_ outlined above 1 - 3? | 18:13 |
| bfiller | sabotage: I think kyleN has some specifics on the doc. I have reviewed it only briefly (looks great..) | 18:13 |
| bfiller | kyleN: agreed | 18:13 |
| kyleN | sabotage: you know what I am referring to, correct? | 18:13 |
| bspencer_ | davidm, mawhalen, sabotage and I will need to review the schedule, per your previous action. | 18:13 |
| sabotage | kyleN: bfiller I agree it's an intel issue, but I want to ensure our path is in line with community norms/desires | 18:13 |
| davidm | OK then lets move on one last topic | 18:13 |
| kyleN | right | 18:13 |
| davidm | [topic] (rustyl) What is the status for finding a resolution for enabling a Hardy PPA target image to run inside Xephyr. This is the issue where the session dbus is not being started, causing massive breakage on many levels. | 18:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: (rustyl) What is the status for finding a resolution for enabling a Hardy PPA target image to run inside Xephyr. This is the issue where the session dbus is not being started, causing massive breakage on many levels. | 18:14 |
| sabotage | kyleN: no | 18:14 |
| davidm | rustyl, topic is up now. | 18:14 |
| lool | rustyl: What about we add some MIC code to properly do this as it starts a terminal with proper mounts? | 18:14 |
| rustyl | i don't know how it's supposed to work | 18:14 |
| lool | AIUI, it's mounting filesystems and setting things up to enter and leave the chroot already | 18:14 |
| bfiller | sabotage: me, you and kyleN should plan on talking next week | 18:14 |
| rustyl | it worked with the old version of X | 18:14 |
| lool | It could as well do an invoke-rc.d dbus start | 18:14 |
| bfiller | rustyl: I think the problem is related to running a Hardy image in a Gutsy chroot | 18:15 |
| rustyl | dbus is starting | 18:15 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | lool: I thought our ume-xephry-start script did that | 18:15 |
| sabotage | bfiller: kyleN: sure, lets talk...Wed/Thur I'm OOP | 18:15 |
| kyleN | Wed | 18:15 |
| lool | HappyCamp_laptop: Then I don't understanst the issue we're discussing; I thought it was to help with this | 18:15 |
| kyleN | offline guys | 18:15 |
| bfiller | rustyl: have you or anyone else tried it on a Hardy box? | 18:15 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | not me | 18:16 |
| rustyl | no, but i don't see how that could be it... xephr is run from inside the chroot | 18:16 |
| rustyl | all the code is execting inside a hardy chroot | 18:16 |
| bfiller | rustyl: not everything | 18:16 |
| lool | rustyl: Perhaps we should investigate in a bug report rather than in the meeting? | 18:17 |
| rustyl | what do you think is escaping the chroot that could cause this? | 18:17 |
| rustyl | are people seeing this 'just work' on their hardy systems? | 18:17 |
| bfiller | bfiller: possible a dbus conflict, or some security related issue as many things have changed btwn hardy and gutys | 18:17 |
| lool | rustyl: Perhaps dbus checks whether another dbus process is running or whether it's being started from within a chroot? | 18:17 |
| lool | rustyl: Yes, hardy under hardy works | 18:18 |
| bfiller | rustyl: I am seeing the same problem as you. Xephry does not work with hardy image running on gutsy | 18:18 |
| rustyl | lool, ok, so some people are using Xephr | 18:18 |
| rustyl | i thought everyone was broke, and nobody was saying anything | 18:18 |
| agoliveira | rustyl: nope, runs fine here (hardy/hardy) | 18:19 |
| lool | So perhaps you could investigate together with a hardy and a gutsy box to compare? | 18:19 |
| agoliveira | Or just use hardy? ;) | 18:19 |
| bfiller | rustyl: rephrase - many apps and control panels do not work correctly in Xephry, but it does launch:) | 18:19 |
| rustyl | on my main developerment machine... not a chance | 18:19 |
| bfiller | rustyl: I agree. Lets file a bug and get this assigned to someone | 18:20 |
| rustyl | bfiller, the real test would be open a terminal, and type "dbus-monitor --session" | 18:20 |
| lool | davidm: Any last minute topic? | 18:20 |
| davidm | Nope this is the last topic | 18:21 |
| * HappyCamp_laptop cheers! | 18:21 | |
| davidm | so is this going to a bug report? | 18:21 |
| davidm | if so who is doing so? | 18:21 |
| bspencer_ | davidm, bfiller wanted to do it. He's not very busy these days | 18:21 |
| lool | haha | 18:21 |
| bfiller | bspencer_: I'll do it :) | 18:21 |
| bfiller | (file the bug that is) | 18:22 |
| bfiller | Is it a MIC bug? | 18:22 |
| rustyl | i don't think so | 18:22 |
| bspencer_ | I expected the next line to be : ACTION bspencer to file a bug :) | 18:22 |
| bspencer_ | but MIC or the ume-xephyr-start script may be able to remedy it if it is simple. | 18:22 |
| rustyl | but the resolution could result in a change to mic | 18:22 |
| davidm | [action] bfiller to file bug on gutsy/hardy dbus problems? | 18:22 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: bfiller to file bug on gutsy/hardy dbus problems? | 18:22 |
| davidm | That describe it well enough? | 18:23 |
| agoliveira | An action if form of a question? :) | 18:23 |
| davidm | Slipped | 18:23 |
| bfiller | davidm: good enough, I know what you mean | 18:23 |
| davidm | OK then | 18:23 |
| davidm | time to end going once ................................................ | 18:23 |
| bspencer_ | agoliveira, 2s after meeting? | 18:24 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: Sure. | 18:24 |
| davidm | ending meeting going twice.......................................................................................................... | 18:24 |
| davidm | #endmeeting | 18:24 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 18:24. | 18:24 |
| bspencer_ | agoliveira, I see you uploaded a galculator to hardy PPA. Where is the source repository for that? Is there one in bzr with the Hildon patches already? | 18:24 |
| kyleN | lool, you see my private hat with you on i18n? | 18:25 |
| kyleN | chat | 18:25 |
| lool | kyleN: I don't; are you registered? | 18:25 |
| bspencer_ | and if I want to make small changes, should I upload them to debian/patches in that bzr repo, or just make changes directly to a hardy branch? | 18:25 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: The source is aways the one in hardy. This one on PPA is quite old IIRC. | 18:25 |
| kyleN | hmmm, i believe I am my nick is... maybe it isnt | 18:25 |
| kyleN | can you create a room then and invite me? | 18:26 |
| lool | kyleN: 19:25 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last Seen: 10 weeks 2 days (22h 38m 3s) ago | 18:26 |
| bspencer_ | agoliveira, I'd like to know where we plan to keep the source repo so i can make my changes there and then gen the PPA source from there. | 18:26 |
| lool | kyleN: You need to identify on reconnects | 18:26 |
| kyleN | lool wow | 18:26 |
| bspencer_ | we had it on moblin but took it off at the sprint | 18:26 |
| bspencer_ | now it is homeless. | 18:26 |
| kyleN | I see | 18:26 |
| lool | kyleN: We can discuss non confidential issues here and confidential ones on our internal IRC | 18:26 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: Ah, sorry. Now I remember. We had a period a few days ago where galculator won't build for lpia due some missing hildon dependencies so I uploaded that one to ppa. | 18:27 |
| kyleN | lool, hang on I want to talk about i18n... | 18:27 |
| kyleN | ok, lool, I believe to i18n C code you do the following | 18:27 |
| lool | kyleN: Yes, I'm hanging on; but as the meeting slipped, we're getting close to my dinner | 18:27 |
| kyleN | include libintl.h | 18:27 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: You can aways use the PPA and once done we can upload to the main repos. | 18:27 |
| kyleN | define macros for _( substitution | 18:27 |
| kyleN | modify code to use _( for strings exposed in UI | 18:27 |
| bspencer_ | agoliveira, I can replace yours with the one we have on moblin with our patches, but again the source repo is undefined | 18:27 |
| kyleN | then to build | 18:28 |
| kyleN | you need a po/ dir | 18:28 |
| kyleN | it has to contain POTFILES.IN | 18:28 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: The source repo is aways hardy. We don't have 2. | 18:28 |
| kyleN | and Mavevars | 18:28 |
| kyleN | somehow, the build has to call intltool-update -p | 18:28 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: apt-get source galculator | 18:28 |
| * bspencer_ tries to find it on launchpad... | 18:28 | |
| kyleN | how? | 18:28 |
| kyleN | is that all for C? | 18:28 |
| bspencer_ | agoliveira, but that has no HILDON changes for lpia, or does it? | 18:28 |
| rustyl | agoliveira, that's not a source repository | 18:28 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: Should have. | 18:29 |
| lool | kyleN: Usually, translators do it when they work on an updated po | 18:29 |
| agoliveira | rustyl: Because you don't have versioning? | 18:29 |
| lool | kyleN: Our packages also do it via CDBS magic for example | 18:29 |
| kyleN | lool, you mean call intltool-update -po? | 18:29 |
| kyleN | -p | 18:29 |
| rustyl | agoliveira, at the sprint we agreed that a bzr repo would be created for each project we colaberate on | 18:29 |
| lool | kyleN: Concerning the #includes, it's a bit simplistic; you also need to setup intltool in your configure.in and intltoolize to add proper rules to the po/ | 18:30 |
| tremolux | bspencer_: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/galculator | 18:30 |
| bspencer_ | agoliveira, something on: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/ | 18:30 |
| lool | kyleN: grep intltool-update -r /usr/share/cdbs | 18:30 |
| kyleN | what is inltoolizwe, is that a script? | 18:30 |
| agoliveira | rustyl: I'm not telling you that use the bzr is wrong, just that the authoritative source is the one on hardy. | 18:30 |
| kyleN | ok | 18:30 |
| tremolux | bspencer_: it does have the hildon changes, but not some important changes after that (osso stuff, other things) | 18:30 |
| lool | kyleN: This is included in GNOME packages | 18:31 |
| agoliveira | rustyl: You can use bzr and after you're done ask for upload. | 18:31 |
| rustyl | i think tremolux has pointed us to what we are asking for | 18:31 |
| agoliveira | the diff I mean | 18:31 |
| bspencer_ | tremolux, ok. | 18:31 |
| lool | kyleN: intltoolize is bundled with intltool to copy over distribution files for intltoolized packages | 18:31 |
| bspencer_ | do I have write access to the hardy branch? Who do I send my patches too? | 18:31 |
| bspencer_ | s/too/to | 18:31 |
| kyleN | lool, ok, is that it then? | 18:31 |
| lool | kyleN: For example intltool-update.in, intltool-merge.in etc. are copied by intltoolize as well as po/Makefile.in.in | 18:31 |
| kyleN | (lool, they are calling me for another meeting, darnit, i hvae to go...) | 18:31 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: Make the changes and open a bug on launchpad. | 18:32 |
| lool | kyleN: Well that's mostly it; perhaps you can try to create a hello world GNOME app which would have a ./configure, a main.c and po/ files | 18:32 |
| bspencer_ | agoliveira, ok. I have what I need. I'll make patches against this source and send them to...you or tremolux | 18:32 |
| bspencer_ | and upload to the PPA in the meantime | 18:32 |
| lool | kyleN: Below http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject there's plenty of guides; "For maintainers and developers" is what you should focus on | 18:32 |
| tremolux | bspencer_: awesome, thanks | 18:32 |
| kyleN | ok. cheers lool. | 18:32 |
| bspencer_ | tremolux, who are you? :) | 18:32 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: We don't have more access than you so I'll have to open a bug the same way :) | 18:32 |
| tremolux | bspencer_: hehe Gary Lasker | 18:33 |
| bspencer_ | ah, Gary. sorry. | 18:33 |
| tremolux | bspencer_: :) | 18:33 |
| bspencer_ | tremolux doesn't look like "Gary" :) | 18:33 |
| bspencer_ | but then again Mithrandir doesn't resemble "lool" either | 18:33 |
| bspencer_ | s/lool/tollef | 18:33 |
| bspencer_ | :-\ | 18:33 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: I sugessted SpongeBobsPet but he didn't like it :) | 18:33 |
| tremolux | bspencer_: [:) | 18:33 |
| lool | kyleN: If something is unclear, ping me or send me an email | 18:34 |
| lool | kyleN: Also, one good thing to try is to build GNOME modules from SVN and from tarball | 18:34 |
| Mithrandir | bspencer_: I've been using Mithrandir as my IRC nick for about 12 years, it's hard to change. :-) | 18:34 |
| lool | kyleN: Take one small module, for example hmm zenity | 18:34 |
| lool | kyleN: zenity is a wrapper around gtk+ widgets for the shell | 18:34 |
| tremolux | bspencer_, agoliveira I gotta run to an engineering meeting, thanks for the galculator | 18:34 |
| bspencer_ | cheers | 18:34 |
| lool | kyleN: You can checkout the SVN, see what the "autogen" does (it calls intltoolize) how configure.in has intltool hooks etc. | 18:35 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: Anyway, send me the debdiff against Hardy's galculator and I'll see to upload it. | 18:35 |
| lool | kyleN: Then you can try to create your own zenity tarball with make dist and/or look at the official tarballs; you should see the files shipped in releases | 18:35 |
| bspencer_ | agoliveira, thx. | 18:36 |
| lool | kyleN: This should be all you need to get started; there isn't much, but it's best to try out the process from a maintainer and translator perspective to get the big picture :) | 18:36 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: No problem. | 18:36 |
| * lool dinner & | 18:37 | |
| bspencer_ | agoliveira, does the upstream galculator already have the concept of building for lpia and hildon? | 18:57 |
| bspencer_ | have they made those changes to the configure.ac, or equivalent? | 18:57 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: I don't knwo about upstream, sorry. | 18:58 |
| bspencer_ | ok | 18:58 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: The source from hardy, does. | 18:58 |
| bspencer_ | sure | 18:58 |
| bspencer_ | bfiller, what do you guys use for a soft keyboard? | 19:07 |
| bspencer_ | are you using mobile-matchbox-keyboard? | 19:07 |
| bfiller | bspencer_: yes, just using the stuff you guys provide | 19:07 |
| * bspencer_ checks PPa | 19:07 | |
| th89 | hey guys, i developed a new mobile application for windows mobile 6. u can check it out at http://thetechturf.com/?page_id=224 | 20:12 |
| th89 | its Google2GO! | 20:12 |
| agoliveira | th89: Nice but useless for us. | 20:24 |
| th89 | agoliveira, yeah | 21:09 |
| th89 | agoliveira, but still getting the word out.... | 21:09 |
| StevenK | bspencer_: Hi, who can I grab to talk about Helix? | 22:02 |
| bspencer_ | StevenK, probably rustyl or the guy in PRC is halley -- starts work in about 3hrs. | 22:10 |
| rustyl | StevenK, what's up? | 22:11 |
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