[00:00] oh [00:01] well there goes 40min down the drain [00:01] haha [00:01] oh well, i'll let it run. Off to class [00:12] agh [00:13] this 5.1 sound problems is really gettin to me [00:33] so tgm4883_laptop this is what you do in class [00:35] yep [00:42] man, dd_rescue 'ing i have a 250mb log [00:43] this dvd has issues [02:08] im back [04:57] I'm running mythbunut (Frontend & backend on same computer). How do I do something like ALT+TAB out of the front end? I want to load up a console to do something quickly. [04:59] gumby600m, probably easiest way is to ctrl-alt-right arrow key to the next desktop [05:00] genius! I can't believe I didn't think of that... Thx! [05:36] is there a solution that runs good on a laptop, but not a permanent thing? (runs of a flash drive or sd card or something similar) [05:54] WcktKlwn, you might check into VirtualBox or VMWare Server [05:58] define solution [06:00] Is there any reason why I shows that are being recordered arent showing in the Recordings Menu until finished? Have both tuners locked recording and have nothing to watch [06:00] I basically want something that I can put into the computer easily and get a frontend that I can hook up to a tv.. and then when I am doing turn it back into a laptop [06:00] you can run a frontend from the mythbuntu cd [06:01] the cd doesn't work on the laptop [06:01] stupid ati graphics card [06:03] there is a windows player you can use, not sure you would get good enough playback from a VM, but its worth trying [06:03] MythbuntuGuest39: media library > watch recordings, is that where you are looking? [06:05] foxxbuntu: were you the one who mentioned to me before that you were recording at dvd specs? [06:05] Kindof, but not really... I am unable to watch shows as they are being recorded. For some strange reason they dont appear in the Recording Directory (MythTV Guide) until finished being recorded. Is there an option I need to select? [06:05] rhpot1991, not sure what you mean [06:05] MythbuntuGuest39: check where I said, mine show up in there as they are recording and I can watch them while they are in progress [06:06] foxxbuntu: recordings bitrate [06:06] MythbuntuGuest39, did you post in the forums as well? [06:06] foxxbuntu: get what I am asking or nope? [06:07] rhpot1991, At one time I was...right now I am using the higest level in myth which I still think is but haven't checked [06:07] WchtKlwn, check into MS Vista or Media Center, has it built in. Other option, if running Windows is Beyond TV. I personally LOVE MythTV, can setup a box for not a lot. New thing I am looking into is the Mini-ITX Motherboard/Case - can get them w/o having any fans (super quite). [06:07] rhpot1991, you are asking if I am transcoding with a dvd bitrate? [06:07] foxxbuntu, have not made any postings of this problem. [06:08] MythbuntuGuest39, oh, there is a forum post exactly about the same thing [06:08] basically just asking what your bitrate and maxbitrate for recordings is [06:08] was there a resolution? [06:08] someone described themselves as using dvd specs there, I thought it was you or tgm4883 [06:08] MythbuntuGuest39, I was actually getting reasdy to post a reply [06:09] rhpot1991, I actually stopped transcoding recently [06:09] a solution/ [06:09] and you only change the bitrate on transcoding [06:09] foxxbuntu: hmmm, it lets me set bitrates of my recordings coming in from my hauppauge cards [06:10] MythbuntuGuest39, when the reocrding starts it should ask you if you want to watch the show while it records or cancel and watch live tv, or go back to the menu [06:10] MythbuntuGuest39, does it do that? [06:10] rhpot1991, where? [06:10] rhpot1991, I don'tm recall a setting for that [06:11] foxxbuntu: setup > tv settings > recording profiles [06:11] choose a profile, 3rd page in [06:11] It will, dont really like that option cause if I dont select the channel changes... its BS Man and I am sick and tired of it. Was watching the news this afternoon, my sons show on PBS came on... I got stuck watching kids show today! [06:12] rhpot1991, oh ok...I was remembering this as trandcoding [06:12] yes...I had mine set much higher before I had to rebuild it [06:12] see I doubled the original settings [06:12] I did as well [06:13] roughly [06:13] but I found an old recording that is on the original settings, and that will play over my wifi on trunk but my 2x'd recordings skip there [06:13] ah [06:13] yeah that speed of video would be hard on wifi [06:13] someone on here long ago told me dvd rate was something, and there was no point going above that [06:13] that makes the video more bandwitdh consuming [06:14] soemthing with the trunk version of mythtv, it worked on the old one, and works over nfs [06:14] Think the Dlink DIR-655 could handle higher bandwidths? [06:14] well the video coming in over your cable is < DVD [06:14] no doubt I have it way too large, so I'm trying to figure out a good setting [06:15] yep, thats why it makes no sense to go above dvd [06:15] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Parameters [06:15] might try the bottom line there [06:16] MythbuntuGuest39: dunno, whats special about it? [06:16] does anyone know what: NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. [06:16] means? [06:16] MythbuntuGuest39: My problem is cause I made my quality settings too high [06:16] WcktKlwn: playing over wifi? [06:16] nope [06:16] localhost [06:17] hmmmm strange, thats the kind of errors I get with my wifi problem [06:17] check and see if your system is eating resources on anything [06:17] is the video skipping while this is happening? [06:17] That is the new Draft N router... It is supposted to give streaming video priority on the network. I recently aquired one for my Media MVP as I was losing packets on the Linksys. [06:17] video freezes [06:18] losing packets = freezing or hangups [06:18] MythbuntuGuest39: it should be able to handle more than 802.11g, but you need a matching card to go with it [06:18] WcktKlwn: check your system, do videos normally run fine? [06:19] Im using wireless G, mainly got it as it is one of the only routers that is built specifically for Media Networks. [06:19] lately they've been freezing, and when I go into the log file it spams that message [06:19] questionable as to if that stuff works with existing hardware sometimes [06:20] rhpot1991, I would say run your bitrates around 6500 and max 8000 [06:21] foxxbuntu: thats what this says, thanks [06:22] gonna try that now, and let some stuff record tomorrow and see if it fixes the problem [06:22] cool [06:22] Any ideas for my recording issue; does not appear in the "Recording" menu until the recording is finished? [06:23] are you talking about the same recording menu that I pointed you at, or somewhere different? [06:23] Also, there appears to be more recordings in the Recording Directory than what appears in the MythTV guide [06:24] foxxbuntu: have any idea what the toggle video input key is? [06:24] Y [06:24] The "Watch Recording" gui option. [06:24] thats what I thought, not working here I wonder if it changed [06:24] rhpot1991, works on mine [06:25] it wont change if it thinks the other one is busy [06:25] hmmm other encoder isn't busy [06:25] MythbuntuGuest39, they show up fine after the recording is finished but not while its recording? [06:25] I did a fresh install last night. Have only 4 shows appearing in the "Watch Recordings" with about 25 recordings in the MythTV/Recording directory [06:26] MythbuntuGuest39, do you watch livetv allot? [06:27] because there will be a recording for each show you watch on livetv, it will auto expire out in 24 hours [06:27] I think what he wants to do is watch a recording that in progress [06:27] but the default view in "Watch Recordings" filters out the live recordings [06:28] That would be correct, but now I am waiting for the recordings to appear that were made 1 1/2 hour ago. Dont watch Live too often, but like to start a show while it is being recorded.. [06:28] ok [06:28] did all those recordings happen after your fresh install? [06:28] do they eventually show up? [06:28] or are they from before [06:29] There is no auto-expire going on here. Recorded show does not appear in the "Watch Recording" while it is being recorded. Had 2 tuners busy recording earlier but couldnt see the recording in the menu. [06:29] MythbuntuGuest39, im not sure I totaly have this clear yet so let me ask you another question [06:30] MythbuntuGuest39, You know the tuners are recording, and the shows when completed recording always show up in recorded programs? [06:30] or only a few did and the rest never did? [06:30] foxxbuntu, what it sounds like to me, is he was recording two shows, and he wanted to tune into one while it was still recording [06:31] That is correct WcktKlwn; but cannot locate the shows now... [06:31] agreed, but im not clear on if the other shows ever showed up [06:31] Now could I while they were being recorded. [06:32] I had a scheduled recording at 6pm that showed up. [06:33] Now, I just started watching LIVE TV and turned on the recorder and it is appearing in the Watch Recording menu. [06:33] MythbuntuGuest39, correct [06:33] This is REALLY screwy... Both tuners were recording shows and I um unable to view them now. [06:34] I've never heard of that happening, did you have any jobs scheduled on the recordings or anything? [06:34] ***Shows were set to automatically record. [06:34] jobs like transcoding or anything [06:34] Standard Commercial Skips is all... Never been a problem before. [06:35] Have "Aciod conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows" checked [06:36] ~Commercial Flag New Recordings with "strict Commercial Detection" [06:39] Just checked the SYSTEM STATUS; there are 6 shows waiting in the Job Que (recordings made 4 hours ago) [06:40] I did restart the Mythbox and that did not help [06:42] MythbuntuGuest39: by default it will only do one at a time [06:42] 5 of the 6 "jobs" are complete but the shows are not appearing in recorded shows. [06:42] till its done [06:43] So I need to wait for ALL jobs to be complete before the shows will finalize? have 7pm,8pm,9pm,10pm,10pm [06:44] well the ones that are done should be ready [06:44] are you commflagging when they end, or while they record? [06:44] They are complete, but still in the Job Que directory. [06:44] they will sit there [06:44] even if they are complete [06:44] nothing wrong there [06:45] Then why cant I watch them? These shows are not in the Watch Recording directory. [06:45] commflagging while show records... [06:49] THERE are 23 shows I have recorded today and only 4 are in the Directory for me to watch... What is going on here. [06:50] These shows are appearing in the AUTO EXPIRE list. [06:52] anyone have a solution to this? [06:52] is your HD full? [06:55] no, have about 138GB free [06:56] I found a tread where someone mentioned it may be a MySql issue? [06:56] go to your recordings [06:56] and bring up the menu [06:57] and choose select group filter [06:57] choose default [06:58] THANK YOU rhpot1991... Had it set to Live by mistake. [07:00] sure no problem [08:09] Solar__: Having fun? [08:57] good morning [08:58] any change there will also be a 0.21 weekly build setup? [08:58] now that the preperations for 8.04 are underway it might help with finding bugs [10:58] 8.04 alpha 2 cd install "crashes" after step 14 (standard install) [10:59] going to try to remove any partitions on the HDD (complete clean install then) and not selecting nvidia drivers for X [11:07] selecting standard drivers allows me to go to next step, selecting Nvidia GF 5+ causes a crash [11:08] so is this an mythbuntu bug? or ubuntu ubiquity bug? [13:46] anybody else having problems with DVB and 8.04 alpha 2? [13:47] I can watch dvb using XINE (when I stop mythbackend) and it looks good, but with backend running and using frontend on the same machine I can not get a lock [13:47] this with the default 8.04 alpha 2 DVB drivers === slestak is now known as slestak|away [13:55] also czap is getting a lock ... so it looks like something is wrong with mythtv and dvb support in alpha 2 [14:19] mythexport: Depends: atomicparsley but it is not installable [14:56] Tuv0k, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=atomic [15:09] ty [15:09] later [15:12] installed! thats hot! [15:12] * Tuv0k job hunting:/ [15:28] Tuv0k: let me know how mythexport works out for you [15:33] how can you get the themes included in mythubuntu on a myth installation made on a normal ubuntu install? [15:34] surlyjake: are you asking how to install the themes? [15:35] Rigolo, that [15:35] 's likely a bug [15:35] can you please submit the bug report via the apport service? [15:38] rhpot: im pretty sure i can google how to install the themes, but i'm wondering if they were excluded from the ubuntu package for a reason [15:44] certain themes didn't have proper licenses and couldn't be included I believe [15:56] cool. thanks rhpot. 1 mystery solved. [16:01] i have another: at seemingly random intervals, when i select an avi to play, the screen will only display green, and some red lines. audio will come through normally though. same behavior if i exit the myth interface and launch them in vlc, mplayer..... a restart of X or logout/login fixes the issue [16:02] sounds like a graphics driver issue or codec issue [16:02] do recordings play fine? [16:03] i don't have recordings... no tuner card... just use it as a pretty front end for my library of tvshows [16:03] nvidia 100.x bug [16:09] what's the quickest way to find out what nvidia version i'm running? i cant launch the nvidia-settings menu because i'm connected remotely via NX, and the driver isn't being used [16:10] surlyjake, what's your card? [16:10] surlyjake, generally, "dpkg -l nvidia-glx\* | grep ^ii" [16:11] 7800gt [16:11] 100.14.19 [16:11] at a guess [16:12] yep. thats it. +2.6.22.4-14.10 [16:13] so it's an nvidia bug huh? [16:13] yeah. known bug in 100.x drivers [16:15] surlyjake: the new nvidia driver solves that, but introduces a new bug that causes the computer to reboot randomly when opengl is used [16:15] so its your choice on wich bug you prefer [16:15] thats great! >:o [16:15] hugolp, never seen that [16:17] directhex|work: Im not the only one reporting it [16:17] it happens in Debian as well [16:17] it doesnt reboot the computer on all systems, sometimes it just closes the X sesions when OpenGL is used [16:18] once that is trigered you have to reinstall the drivers to solve it [16:19] lol. well, i'd like to have a green screen and have control of my system... instead of risking losing other work that i'm doing [16:19] i've never seen the problems hugolp describes on any of my systems. not to say they don't exist [16:20] there might be some other cifference not being mentioned, e.g. it happens on i386 [16:20] to upgrade drivers, i would need to compile them myself? [16:20] it's closed source and binary [16:20] surlyjake: no, Nvida provides an installer [16:21] my recommendation would be to use alberto milone's envry scripts. others present would strongly disrecommend that, and recommend instead you use nvidia's /usr-eating installer [16:21] directhex|work: yes, Im using i386, no amd64 [16:27] thanks @ hugolp&directhex|work [16:55] superm1: apport does not allow me to submit a bug report. it says something about a special version of the ubuquity package being used or something and that I need to install ubiquity :-) [16:56] I raised a bug with number [Bug 193950] [NEW] 8.04 alpha 2 Installer crashes when selectingNvidia GeForce 5+ drivers [16:56] and my DVB-C is still not working ... ggrrr [16:56] but .. now I have to cook dinner ... be back in 1.5 hours or so [17:33] anyone else have problems with thumbnails? [17:33] i can't seem to get any from IMDB [17:35] are you getting any info from imdb? [17:35] nope [17:35] any errors? [17:35] doesn't look like it [17:35] not at all [17:35] have you checked the log files? [17:35] i just ripped a DVD -- pretty popular one -- and i'd think that the info would come [17:35] nope - will do [17:36] * Rigolo asks: anybody else running alpha 2 with dvb? [17:37] Rigolo, kinda [17:37] i have a pchd5500 in my test machine [17:37] I can not get my FTA channels to display ... they work "fine" with XINE [17:37] tgm4883_laptop: is there saomething taht i should be looking for? grep -i IMDB ? [17:38] FTA? [17:38] meaning ... I can watch it ... but I will have to disable audio (no sound in this server) [17:38] Free To Air .. as in Non encrypted [17:38] ah [17:38] OTA [17:38] just said "failed to fetch program info" [17:38] OTA can also be encrypted .. at least here in holland with DVB-T [17:39] I'm using DVB-C .. and there are 6 non encrypted channels on my cable [17:39] hmm, i'm getting 500 internal server errors w/ the schedules direct stuff too *sigh* [17:39] (and around 120 or so encrypted .. but first get FTA working) [17:39] i wish that my dvd rip would go a bit faster [17:39] imdb broke. you need imdb.pl from trunk [17:39] mick_laptop, can you accesss the insternet from that machine? [17:40] tgm4883_laptop: yes [17:40] directhex: ok thanks [17:43] any other issues that i should know about? [17:43] :) [17:50] directhex you seem to know about most of the stumbling blocks -- anything else you'd like to share? :) [17:50] sure. don't eat yellow snow, and back pain begins in your 20s so take care of it [17:51] well .. yellow snow can be fine .. as you long as you are sure somebody really just squized an orange about that spot :-) [18:00] hi all [18:02] just did a trunk update, now shows on Mythweb: Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=40, backend=38). how do i fix? thanks [18:03] never mind, user error [18:09] always handy when people answer their own questions :-) [18:13] is there a log for mythfilldatabase? ... it have the feeling it also does not work in alpha 2 [18:14] well theres a backend log [18:15] yes, but it just quickly saw something in the terminal screen flash by with MY_MYTH_PROTCOL or something and miss match or something like that [18:26] What command to use for exit and shutdown from frontend? [18:26] question ... can i run the 0.21 branch that is used on 8.04 also on 7.10? or impossible because of dependicies? [18:26] Rigolo, you can run trunk [18:26] so yes [18:26] no, trunk is not 0.21 ... trunk is trunk [18:26] Nikas, from command line? sudo shutdown -h now [18:27] * tgm4883_laptop sighs [18:27] tgm4883_laptop: No, from the frontend. [18:27] I should have been more clear [18:27] Rigolo, http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds [18:27] from command line i know how.. :) [18:28] Nikas, AFAIK IDK [18:28] i'll try sudo shutdown -h now :) [18:29] tgm4883_laptop: those builds are for trunk ... 8.04 alpha is using 0.21-fixes ... so no new functions as in trunk [18:30] Nikas: you can try sudo halt [18:30] thats what I normally use [18:30] sudo halt does not work.. [18:30] Rigolo, while what it says, you would be correct. However, IIRC, in this case trunk follows .21 [18:30] I will check though [18:31] sudo shutdown -h now dont work.. [18:32] I recall you aren't supposed to put sudo in the backend, are just supposed to use halt and chmod it to be executable by your user, you would be best to look around for more info though as that may be a security problem and might be out of date [18:33] It's for a frontend only-machine... hm i will try this: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2007-February/170578.html [18:38] trunk and 0.21 are the same for now [18:39] directhex: okee ... for how long? [18:40] I also had problems with DVB-C with 7.10 and weekly trunk builds ... so that is why I decided to try alpha 2 [18:40] Rigolo, a few weeks. by then i'm sure the 0.20.2 auto-builds will be dumped [18:40] mmm that might cause some problems for people using that .... [18:47] yes.. it worked.. [19:11] whats goin on today [19:15] dvb-c hell in alpha 2 :-) [19:16] I can watch dvb-c in xine ... but not in mythtv ... can not get a lock [19:18] hum [19:19] dont know havent got a dvb-c card [19:20] importing a working channels.conf also did weird things .. strange frequencies were used [19:20] transports ID's were messed up (we have multiple network ID here on the cable) [19:20] so .. not nice [19:20] I got 4 :-) [19:21] heh [19:22] i am about to have 4tuners [19:22] i only got like 5 stations though [19:22] we got over 200 services (tv and radio) via DVB-C .. most of it encrypted [19:23] only 6 FTA channels .. and even those I can not get to work [19:23] (I will leave the encrypted aside for the moment) [19:23] yeah, that is probably besty [19:23] besty = best [19:24] although I had those also working in 7.10 and 0.20.2 ... at least .. those that my valid and paid for smartcard was authorized for [19:25] and then I wanted multirec :-) [19:25] yeah, it is nice [19:26] well ... not when you can not get a lock :-) [19:28] * Rigolo is going to take a short break now .... otherwise I will be trown out by my girlfriend :-) [19:31] Rigolo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4138 [19:35] well i have to go back to work [19:46] how do i enable mythstream? [19:46] it seems to be installed, just not showing up [19:47] anyone using mythtv-frontend and compiz? [19:47] and gnome [19:48] hugolp: i'm installing it now [19:50] well, I allways have this problem that the top and bottom gnome bars get on top of mythtv-frontend [19:50] seems it hates my driver for X [19:51] mick_laptop: whats your graphics card? [19:53] one sec [19:55] hugolp: ATI Radeon Xpress 200 hostbridge (rev 01) [19:55] according to lspci [19:55] ATI.... [19:56] my thoughts exactly [20:05] anyone get mythstream working? i'm really getting annoyed :( === slestak|away is now known as slestak [21:29] npurciful: the ticket you were refering me to (4138) was closed with the "fixed in trunk" remark 3 weeks ago. Then it should not happen in alpha 2 i would guess. but still it does [21:32] alpha 2 is using (after a full update) 0.21.0-fixes16174-0ubuntu1 [21:33] did you search for other ticket [21:37] doing that at the moment [21:41] ticket 4163 looks like the same problem [21:42] I will first clear all cards, inputs, channels etc from my setup [21:42] then I will import a working channels.conf [21:43] and then I will have a look at the results in channel and dvt_multiplex [21:45] yeah, try that [21:47] Rigolo: clear all inputs and stuff exit out and mythfilldatabase then import [21:50] okee ... just removed everything [21:50] I was using EIT as a video source .. so mythfilldatabase does not do anything as far as I can see [21:51] delete all transports, channels, video sources, cards everything [21:52] clicked on OK on the "Do you want to run mythfilldatabase" window [21:52] it was only deleting some temp files it looked [21:52] no running mythsetup again [21:53] just checkd if my channels.conf is working with XINE .. and it is [21:56] just for reference: initial tuning file used: http://rigolo.googlepages.com/nl-Home-Zwolle.txt [21:57] created a FTA only channel.conf with the scan utility ( scan -x 0 nl-Home-Zwolle.txt) [21:58] removed the data streams for firmwareupdates for "approved" dvb-c decoders [21:58] created the following channels.conf.fta [21:58] http://rigolo.googlepages.com/channels.conf.fta [22:00] mplayer dvb://"Nederland 1" -nosound gives a nice picture [22:00] ( the -nosound is needed because there is no sound card in the backend machine) [22:02] mplayer dvb playing works on all the 4 cards .. so that is also verified [22:04] setup only dvb0 as capture card [22:05] used EIT as video source [22:06] linked dvb0 and eit in input connections .. only allow unencrypted channels, do not allow audio only then select scan for channels [22:06] scan type: Import channels.conf [22:07] channel separator to none [22:08] Existing Channel Treatment: Delete [22:08] scan process is runnning now [22:08] finished [22:09] set the starting channel to 10001 (which is Nederland 1) [22:09] leave input group as generic [22:10] 6 channels in Channels (as expected) [22:11] I have 4 transports without a netid and transport id in the transport list and then 24 transports with netid 1000 and transport ID's [22:12] this last part is not correct, because I am in netid 9003 and not 1000 [22:12] there is no place to tell what netid you are in [22:13] so the transport streams with a netid and transport id are pointing to incorrect frequencies (those of netid 1000 instead of 9003) [22:13] yeah, look up info [22:14] what do you mean? [22:17] by looking at the channel table you can see that the channels are linked to the netid 1000 transports instead of the correct transport (Without netid) [22:18] the frequencies etc of the transports are set correctly, so that is not the problem [22:19] i dont know if editing the mythdb to change the netid would work [22:19] but the netid can be found in dtv_multiplex [22:20] table [22:20] no, because netid 1000 had it's transports on different frequencies than in 9003 [22:20] but I can update channel to point to the correct mplexid [22:20] becuase the correct transports are in the dtv_multiplex table [22:20] I will just have to find the correct mplexid first [22:21] goodluck i have to leave for 10-15min [22:22] * npurciful got get food [22:22] 4:18 here and havent at launch [22:22] at = ate [22:22] :-) [22:23] there is brunch for a meal between breakfast and lunch .. but what do you call a meal between lunch and dinner? [22:23] lunner? dinch? [22:25] i am going to go with dinch [22:26] just updated the channel table [22:26] Rigolo, tea [22:26] Rigolo, typically, "teatime" is when the kids eat, at ~6pm. "dinnertime" is when the adults eat, at ~8pm [22:27] directhex: well ... that sounds like he is going to have just some cookies :-) [22:28] directhex: when tea is at 6pm .. then between lunch (~12am) and tea (~6pm) should then be a tench? tunch? lea? [22:28] Rigolo, "stop being a greedy fast bastard" o'clock [22:29] :-) [22:29] btw ... editing the channel table helped ....:-) [22:29] watching Nederland 1 now [22:30] lets do some zapping :-) [22:32] zapping works ... but it is still a bit slow .... but what else is new :-) [22:33] so how do we solve this now .... writing a sql training course for mythtv is probably not the right answer [22:46] alright im back [22:46] trac ticket #3640 has the best description what is happening [22:47] there is also a patch from klaas de waal (comment 33) that is doing exactly what I proposed: let the user enter a network id when scanning [22:48] this "bug" is a major issue for the usablilty of mythtv with dvb-c at least here in the netherlands [22:49] by using a dvb-c card with a CI and a alphacrypt CAM you can also watch the encrypted channels with mythtv if you want [22:50] (and then there is also an other option by using a softcam and an official card in a cardreader ... just like the dreambox dvb-c receivers are doing it) [22:50] softcams aren't supported, ever [22:51] I know .. that is why i put it in brackets [22:51] and if your cable provider is sending invalid network ids, are you *supposed* to be using unofficial kit? does your cable contract allow you to use your own equipment? [22:52]