[00:05] * nixternal tries to stay awake in class [00:06] * Jucato hums nixternal a lullaby... [00:07] hah [00:07] nixternal: drink more coffee [00:07] moin nixternal Hobbsee! [00:07] heya! === wolfger__ is now known as wolfger [00:08] wasabi Jucato and Hobbsee [00:08] and wolfger [00:08] hi [00:08] sushi nixternal :) [00:08] and wolfger what? [00:08] sushi sounds good right about now [00:08] * Hobbsee wants her delivery now! [00:08] Jucato: Eddie is now a legit Ubuntu member...gahahahhaaha...that is funny stuff [00:08] nixternal: uh oh :/ [00:08] :) [00:09] darn it! I wasn't around to give my support :( [00:09] * Jucato went to bed early... [00:09] man, he had more support than I ever did [00:09] hm... probably because there are more people now than back in your day (looooong time ago) :P [00:12] Any idea where the ktorrent guys hangout at? [00:12] #ktorrent would be my guess [00:12] if they have an IRC channel now [00:13] mostly I think they make use of the forums on their site [00:42] ScottK: ping? [00:43] hm... I guess nixternal fell asleep after all... [00:43] heh [00:43] I wish [00:43] I am listening to boring presentations on "Organization" [00:43] =), psychology? [00:43] I am using my "community" talk about KDE/Kubuntu for mine...hope they are ready for free software [00:43] hehe :) [00:44] System Analysis and Design [00:44] nixternal: oh MC member... [00:44] * nixternal hides [00:44] O.o [00:44] nixternal: any idea what the policy on native packages and uvf is? [00:44] my daughter is txt messaging me on the phone, so I can't fall asleep [00:45] Hobbsee: yes...pick one :p [00:45] nixternal: :) [00:45] nixternal: all of them [00:45] there is supposedly some new documentation on the wiki concerning the UVF stuff..but I would guess that native packages should go through the same process as one that isn't [00:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6 is what the wiki says [00:46] and why are you asking me? You know just as much if not more than I do :p [00:46] nixternal: because you're on the MC, and i'm not. [00:46] no one knows more than nixternal (except Riddell) [00:46] What's MC? [00:46] nixternal: and i'd prefer to get an official MC stance on the issue, before issuing a blast on the ML. [00:47] MOTU Council (right?) [00:47] hahaha, what do I have to say so you can issue a blast? I love it when you crack the long pointy stick! [00:51] good evening! [00:53] what is good about it? [00:53] hm... it's not morning. that's what :) [00:53] (well it's morning here so...) [00:53] snow! [00:53] Jucato: yes you were right btw [00:54] I just drove from Cleveland to south of Columbus [00:54] no snow in Chicago now for over a week...but it has been pretty cold [00:54] It was awesome [00:54] I thought I was going to die every 15 min or so [00:54] hahaha [00:54] die every 15 minutes, resurrect every 2 minutes after that :) [00:54] you know, I used to be like that too, until I drove through the turnpike in PA during a blizzard....I had to change my shorts after that one [00:55] nixternal: you have to make sur ethe policy is written on the freeze exception page [00:55] Jucato: you are correct :) [00:55] lol [00:55] nixternal: you were wearing just shorts during a blizzard? O.o [00:55] Hobbsee: do you really think that it matters if the package is ubuntu only or not? I think it should be all packages in Universe are susceptable to the rules [00:55] Jucato: it's an american thing (shorts = underwear) [00:56] aaah, like boxers... right :) [00:56] aye [00:56] :) [00:56] dun matter, it could be tighty-whities [00:56] nixternal: i think so, yeah [00:56] I have two approved freeze exceptions if someone wants the honors .... [00:57] for? [00:57] how appropriate.. talking about blizzards, snow, and freezes :) [00:57] hehe [00:57] ktorrent and kdiamond [00:58] * Jucato gives the floor back to Hobbsee before she takes out the stick on me [00:58] bug 192296 [00:58] Launchpad bug 192296 in kdiamond-kde4 "[ff exception] New Upstream Release for Kdiamond [kde4]" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192296 [00:58] vorian: have you talked to jdong about ktorrent? [00:58] nixternal: yep, he gave the nod [00:58] that's bug 192812 [00:58] Launchpad bug 192812 in ktorrent-kde4 "[FF exception] New upstream release ktorrent-kde4 3.0.0 " [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192812 [00:58] oh btw Hobbsee, a countrymate of mine, who says he's your schoolmate (janm is his IRC nick) is looking for Ubuntu CD's in the sydney area [00:59] Jucato: my schoolmate? [00:59] Jucato: for Macquarie uni? [00:59] [21:47] Knightlust: good idea. she's goes to my school perhaps she can bring some next week! [01:00] Hobbsee: that's all I know... :) [01:01] Jucato: hrm. might be for the same thing [01:02] vorian: ktorrent-kde4_3.0.0.orig.tar.bz2? [01:02] shouldn't that be .gz [01:02] hmmmmm [01:03] well, I did uupdate and it produced a tar.bz2 [01:03] you have the acks already, so they are just awaiting upload [01:03] yah [01:03] :) [01:03] oh great, this idiot got on the computer here durng break and starts playing stupid childish youtube videos [01:03] time to go for a break, otherwise I might snap and start breaking things [01:03] bbiaf [01:03] nixternal: heh, for some reason I'm getting spam sent to you... http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/nixternalspam.png [01:04] hah yeah that was my problem with allee's spam too :) [01:04] you're in bcc maybe? have you looked at the headers? (delivered-for and such) [01:05] yeah that was the explanation given to me.. :) [01:05] but it's still funny to see their spam in my inbox :D [01:06] * ryanakca shrugs... don't see a delivered-for... meh. It says nixternal in the message, not ryanakca... *grumbles and wonders how anything with the string 'buy cialis online' got through GMail's spam filter* [01:11] damn, now you know where I buy my Cialis [01:11] lol [01:11] hahah :) [01:12] I get those emails for everyone...thankfully Google catches it [01:12] I can't believe this [01:12] oh I just noticed that I just got spam from allee and jpatrick too :) [01:12] we are watching "Male Restroom Etiquette" on YouTube because of this stupid kid [01:13] nixternal: you used my name in vain earlier, but I don't quite understand the context? [01:13] I did? [01:13] yeah, you said "and wolfger" [01:13] oh, saying hi [01:13] ah, ok [01:14] hrmm, I wish I had my Backtraq CD, I would go ahead and shutdown the computer hooked to the projector [01:14] I thought it was odd, because I'd just sat down at my computer, and hadn't actually been on irc up to that point. You're psychic, man [01:14] you changed your nick :) [01:14] that's what gave it away [01:20] ryanakca: because gmail's spam filter *sucks* [01:21] Hobbsee: but based on the ratio of spam that I get in kmail and spam that gets blocked, I'd say it's good :) [01:22] heh [01:23] GMail thinks I'm a spammer [01:23] fastmail's is better [01:26] It also pledged not to sue open-source developers who create noncommercial software based on Microsoft's protocols. [01:27] hahaha, that's because nobody bases their software off of Microsoft's garbage :) [01:27] and if you want to create commercial software, you need patent license agreement :) === jelmer_ is now known as jelmer === claydoh__ is now known as claydoh === keffie_jayx is now known as effie_jayx === ssssssssssssssss is now known as fiestas === fiestas is now known as afiestas [03:04] muhahaha, I got um hook, line, and sinker with my "Organization Talk" I whipped up using KDE as my organization [03:33] any core developer can do me a sponsor upload? thanks. http://linuxfire.com.cn/~freeflying/skim.debdiff === _czessi is now known as Czessi [04:47] Hobbsee: Pong [04:52] see query === hunger_t is now known as hunger [07:30] I have some source code and have identified an error i how it tries to identify PAGE_SIZE, however I do not know if my workaround actually solves it, and need a hand [08:00] Riddell, smarter: [08:00] how is that bug now? [08:59] davmor2: did you try the new alternates? [08:59] burning them currently [09:00] Riddell: life got in the way last night :) [09:00] * Riddell crosses fingers [09:00] Riddell: aren't there new lives too? === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:01] so there are, and they seem to have all the packages [09:01] davmor2: we should be organised and coordinate, which are you downloading? [09:03] all the current from this morning. burning 64bit first [09:04] davmor2: I'll start with live 32 bit then [09:06] Riddell: Because of the wonderful way in which I'm funded (oh no that's the BBC sorry) I got two test machines. Both 64bit. But I run a 32bit on my laptop so while the 64 bit is installing I'm burning the 32 bit right the way through my collection :) [09:09] how do you burn whilE installing? [09:12] Riddell: 3 machines total main machine I download and burn on and 2 test machine :) [09:18] Riddell: Don't you just love mother-in-laws who like to buy their son-in-laws laptop's for helping them out. :) [09:52] Riddell: It's looking more like Kubuntu :) [09:56] \o/ Riddell it works and it looks like Kubuntu :) [09:57] awooga [10:01] I'm only really testing that it installs this late in the game. Plus I only got this morning :) [10:03] me too, I'm going to fosdem later [10:04] Riddell: thought you'd already gone :) [10:09] davmor2: don't suppose you have a windows machine too? wubi needs testing [10:09] Jucato: spam? [10:09] the windows machine here doesn't have enough disk space (needs 10gigs) [10:09] emonkey: did you say you wanted to help with iso testing? :) [10:10] Not at present. But that can be sorted but won't be till tonight. [10:10] jpatrick: "Take Advantage of Our Software Prices" From: "Ben Isaac" To: jpatrick@kubuntu.org [10:10] Riddell, it's on my todo on my wiki site [10:11] emonkey: we need testers now if you are able [10:11] * emonkey is currently in an english lesson, but I'll contact you later today [10:12] ok, thanks http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20080221.1/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20080221.1/ for when you can start downloading [10:16] they are both the same, right? [10:16] txwikinger: daily-live is desktop, daily is alternate [10:16] you end up with the same thing [10:17] ah ok :) [10:18] * txwikinger is downloading [10:18] * emonkey has finished download [10:18] emonkey: university connection? [10:18] university network is nice [10:18] ah, I remember the days.. [10:19] * txwikinger is still tired from giving Kubuntu bug-triage tutorial at LUG last night [10:19] don't forget to log you results on the tracker. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ :) [10:19] txwikinger: oh? where was that? [10:19] SBLUG (Birmingham) [10:19] txwikinger: brilliant! [10:20] txwikinger: birmingham as in that suburb of wolverhampton? [10:20] Riddell: hehe yes :D [10:20] didn't even know there was an active lug there [10:20] Yes.. we always meet at Bimingham University [10:20] Riddell: get it right little suburb of Wolves ;) [10:22] Riddell: Laptop fades to black. Is there a way to stop the Fade? [10:22] davmor2: when does it do that? [10:22] * txwikinger dreads writing abstracts for educational conferences that have to be sent next week [10:22] once your logged onto the machine [10:23] Riddell: hitting brightness up stops it but it happens each time I reboot. [10:23] txwikinger: do write a 1 line summary at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports/February2008 if you can (under Kubuntu) [10:23] k [10:23] davmor2: hmm, sounds like guidance-power-manager is doing something bad [10:24] Riddell: Where's the setting? [10:24] click the batter icon and drag brightness to the right [10:24] I know someone had a problem copying settings from another computer where the brightness had 6 steps max and his new one had 100 so it was set to 6 by default [10:26] Riddell: no battery. Just unplugged the power and there's no battery icon :( [10:27] davmor2: is guidance-power-manager running? [10:29] Riddell: done [10:30] thanks [10:34] chroom [10:35] Riddell: How can I find out I tried running it and I get a long list of text [10:41] so whens hardy 5 due out? any major updates? [10:47] sigma_1234: later today as long as we can get all the tests done [10:56] Riddell: live cd is suffering from bug 194007 [10:56] Launchpad bug 194007 in ubiquity "Ubiquity keyboard is not being setup after world map." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194007 [10:57] other than that it seems to be going okay [11:06] davmor2: mm, I just noticed that [11:07] Riddell: how do I check to see if guidance-power-manager is running? [11:07] davmor2: ps -ef | grep guidance- [11:08] Riddell: No it's not running [11:09] so must be something deeper in hal/acpi/something [11:09] although I've no idea what [11:10] I will bug report it after what do you want it under? [11:11] davmor2: umm, hard to say since we have no idea what could cause it [11:11] davmor2: it makes the computer unusable I take it? [11:11] davmor2: does it happen when logging in? does it happen on the live CD? [11:12] Riddell: No you just hit brightness up. But if you don't know your just presented with a black screen [11:12] hmm, it could be kmilo [11:12] Riddell: hotel is not bad [11:13] seaLne: excellent [11:14] Riddell: It doesn't happen with the initial login screen only happens on the main screen once you've logged in [11:14] davmor2: try running "dcop kded kmilod disable" first [11:15] Riddell: Running the live cd now hang on [11:15] Riddell: yes it fades to black on the live cd too [11:16] davmor2: even running that dcop command first? [11:16] When do I run it? before I log in? [11:16] after [11:17] Riddell: I'll try it now will I need to reboot if so I'll drop back the the installed system [11:17] no [11:19] Riddell: I need to up the brightness to make it work though so how will I know if it has worked? [11:20] Riddell: I can't see the screen to type it in otherwise :) [11:20] Riddell: Could I add it as a boot perameter? [11:21] no, it talks to kded which is started along with kde [11:21] so it dims without any keystrokes? [11:21] then pressing brightness up fixes it? [11:22] davmor2: you can also sudo rm /usr/lib/kde3/kded_kmilod.so before logging in [11:22] Riddell: Yes that right, on both counts. However once you reboot it dims back down again. [11:24] Riddell: you also lose the real terminals Ctrl-Alt-F1 etc. Once you've logged in which would freak people out :) [11:25] I'll just reboot into the installed version and try it out then [11:28] Riddell: on installed removed kmilod still fades [11:30] ok, I'm out of ideas [11:30] try asking mjg59 if he knows [11:31] I'll just report it so I can carry on testing :) [11:31] report on hal maybe, as good a guess as any [11:32] Riddell: I'll leave it blank for now but I'll post the bug here as soon as I get a chance [11:36] Riddell, it doesn't make sense to test the ISOs with virtualbox, or does it? [11:37] emonkey: yes it does [11:41] davmor2: might be worth trying guidance again, sudo rm /usr/share/autostart/guidance-power-manager.desktop before logging in? [11:46] Riddell: bingo [11:48] It's staying light and bright now :) [11:50] hrm [11:51] Riddell: Leave it for latter I'll reinstall Kub on my laptop Tuesday and we can sort it out from there. [12:02] Why are there no KDE4 SVN packages? It would be nice to have unstable SVN packages, just like openSuSE does [12:06] volunteers welcome [12:06] :) [12:07] Riddell: Have you setup a wiki page for alpha 5 or not? [12:07] davmor2: a stub [12:08] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha5/Kubuntu [12:09] np's I was just going to say you could add our temporary nasty work round :) [12:09] well I don't /think/ it's a general problem [12:10] I suspect it's something specific to you [12:10] at least nobody else has complained, I havn't seen it and there's not been any change to guidance [12:12] ok. [12:13] there's some reason why it thinks the default is a low value [12:13] possibly acpi has changed to give it more granuality [12:13] pass over my head :( [12:14] davmor2: can you put ~/.kde/share/config/power-managerrc somewhere [12:15] not today moving onto Ubuntu now but I will tonight or tomorrow for you [12:28] haha.... Canonical sent out their attachement in DOC :) [12:28] blame the travel agent [12:29] yeah === ScottK3 is now known as ScottK2 [14:39] * seaLne found a sleeping apachelogger in the room when he got back [14:39] luckily it was me that took my laptop [15:23] hmm [15:23] amarok wont detect my ipod shuffle [15:23] but kde displays it, ipod icon and all thath [15:23] and it used to work with gutsy [15:56] has anyone tested ubiquity lately? yesterday's daily build hangs during hardware configuration but i only tested it on one machine [16:03] hibernate/suspend work fine from kde4 ? [16:41] RIDDELL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [16:41] :) [16:41] we're losing him! [16:41] yaa! [16:43] * jpatrick wants a @kde/ cloak [16:44] jpatrick » traitor.... [16:45] nosrednaekim: why? :) this is *K*ubuntu after all :) [16:45] heh [16:45] you call him a traitor, but it's actually me who's installing Visual C# right now [16:45] * nosrednaekim remotely shocks mhb [16:45] mhb: gah [16:46] mhb: I'm _forced_ to do VB at school [16:46] nosrednaekim: but @kde/ubuntu.member.jpatrick would look hot [16:46] jpatrick: visual basic? [16:46] jpatrick: now that's even worse [16:46] mhb: I hate it [16:47] jpatrick: but I install the C# thing because of school, too [16:47] * apachelogger is a vb.net lova [16:47] mhb: yeah, but I'd rather they have us learn real languages [16:48] jpatrick: like Pascal? :o) [16:48] mhb: Perl [16:48] jpatrick: apparently freenode won't give masks like that, atleast they didn't used to [16:49] seaLne: they do /whois nalioth for example [16:49] oh, maybe it was just to complicated before for however they did it [16:54] is firefox 3b3 sluggish for you guys? I don't know how it's like under gnome because i only have kde4 [16:54] it's like un-accelerated 2D or something for me [16:57] firefox is always like that [16:58] nah 2.0 doesn't do that here [16:59] it isn't fast .. just way faster scrolling etc. than 3.0 === \sh is now known as \sh_away [17:01] gribelu, what video driver [17:03] nvidia ofcourse heh [17:03] i want an intel [17:03] The new intel drivers rock. [17:04] are the latest updates for agressive exa any good? [17:04] i still got xaa [17:04] greey exa [17:04] *greedy [17:06] * nosrednaekim pats his ATI [17:15] meh [17:15] exa is still slower then xaa here [17:16] Hey! [17:18] hey serega! [17:18] I'm back guys [17:18] sorry my absence [17:19] how are you all? I know nothing about kubuntu progress :( [17:19] no worries, we're missing Riddell again :) [17:20] missing Riddell? [17:20] serega » his computer problem went down. [17:20] *probably [17:21] bad :( [17:21] serega » hows it going w/ you? [17:21] He'll be back [17:21] oh.. didn't he go over to FOSDEM? [17:22] back here [17:22] there was some changes at my job... [17:22] so, guys, there will be two Hardy releases? [17:22] yep [17:23] titanic work I think) [17:25] * serega worries he is weak on KDE4 :( [17:26] weak? [17:26] no experience of development [17:28] good luck. see ya [17:35] seaLne: /whois sabdfl - another ;) [18:50] whats the difference between submitting a bug to /ubiquity/+filebug and /ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug or is it the same thing? [18:51] one is filed against the project, the other is filed against the source package [18:51] when do i use which one? [18:51] i found a problem in yesterday's daily build [18:51] file bugs against the package, they can always be set to also effects the project [18:51] ok === \sh_away is now known as \sh [19:01] cheguevara: ##fix_your_connection [19:02] jpatrick, my connection is fine [19:02] messing around with Xorg.conf :P [19:02] cheguevara: what client? konversation? [19:02] xchat [19:02] ah... [19:02] got EXA to work as good as XAA, so happy now :) [19:15] nixternal: ping [19:17] nixternal: I dumped some promotional stuff here: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-promo [19:21] yo yo [19:21] groovy [19:21] hey, who is doing our monthly reports? coreymon was the person doing them, but I haven't seen anything much [19:22] I'd do it,but I have no clue whats been going on [19:22] heh, me either [19:22] Riddell asked at the last meeting [19:23] * jpatrick hasn't been writing meeting minutes [19:23] I am going to go ahead and update our Monthly Report [19:23] we need to use Mootbot for our meetings [19:24] it makes writing up the minutes much easier [19:24] * jpatrick dislikes Mootbot [19:24] I like how it breaks each TOPIC down in to easy to read IRC logs [19:24] I dislike how it floods the channel [19:26] doesn't flood anymore than people chit-chatting really [19:28] how man new members did we just approve? [19:28] 3? [19:29] 3 [19:29] last meeting? [19:29] ya [19:29] ~kubuntu-members list them [20:02] blueyed: Ping [20:02] nabend neversfelde [20:04] nabend jpatrick [20:06] neversfelde: Glückwünsche! (?) [20:07] jpatrick: thanks (Glückwunsch)^^ [20:07] :) [20:08] jpatrick: your german is very godd, did you learn it at school? [20:08] neversfelde: learnt it for a few months last year [20:09] jpatrick: than you are a talent in learning new languages :) [20:10] xRaich[o]2x: pong [20:10] neversfelde: for human languages I know English, German, French (understand), Spanish and Catalan [20:10] welcome back ScottK! [20:11] Thanks [20:11] jpatrick: not bad [20:12] neversfelde: danke [20:12] blueyed: Hey Dude, long time not seen ;). Care to join #kubuntu-de-offtopic? [20:41] jpatrick: did you do the kubuntu leaflet or you just put it up in bzr? [20:41] yuriy: kwwii's work [20:42] yuriy: all I did was the translations [20:45] jpatrick: oh. i was wondering why it said ubuntulinux.org at the bottom and not ubuntu.com [20:45] also it's a nice flyer but i don't think it's newbie friendly enough [20:46] use the source and bzr push ;) === John4rper is now known as GNUcoso [20:51] * yuriy should have taken out the german/spanish communities part before printing this out [20:52] lol [21:17] The way I read the Dept of State web site, it sounds like I don't need a visa for the Czech Republic. I'm curious if others (US citizens) have reached the same conclusions? [21:22] oh bleh.... [21:27] Yeah, well it's not a question you want to find out you had the wrong answer to at the last minute. [21:27] you can ask Canonical for a letter to send up the process I guess [21:31] jpatrick: Except it appears no Visa is required at all, so there is no process. [21:31] oh.. I read that wrong! I thoughtit said you DID need a visa :) [21:33] ah, good [21:34] * ScottK is looking for verification that maybe someone else has looked too and agrees. [21:47] ScottK: hold on i'll look [21:47] there are technically two dept of state sites and they have different information [21:48] i dont know why.. the only reason i know is because they were a client at some point [21:49] is the Czech Republic part of the EU? [21:49] ScottK: we do not need a visa [21:49] seele: yes, since 2004 [21:52] hmm.. this says we need proof of health insurance? even for short-term visitors? [22:16] seele: Thanks. [22:21] * yuriy printed out a very nice flyer from kde-promo on nice paper and is now finding the typos [22:33] oh great, the person used a commercial font in this [23:02]