[00:00] <tedg_> Someone is calling gpm-brightness-lcd though.
[00:00] <tedg_> Oh, it seems to be going idle.
[00:00] <tedg_> What is your idle time set to?
[00:01] <tedg_> 30 seconds?
[00:04] <bdmurray> I'm double checking
[00:10] <bdmurray> the applet shows it being off when on battery
[00:11] <tedg_> Hmm, I wonder if this is similar to the idle problem seb128 was having.
[00:11] <tedg_> It was basically reading the wrong values.
[00:11] <tedg_> It does look like it's kicking into idle, not sure why if it's off though.
[00:12] <tedg_> And why it's making it brighter when idle, is another good question.
[00:13] <tedg_> Anyway, I need to run now, but I think there might be something fishing going on in the idle code, or around it.
[02:35] <RAOF> Who wants to temporarily kill their ability to use the keyboard in X in the interests of duplicating bug #194214 ?  I'm particularly interested in whether or not someone can reproduce under metacity.
[02:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in compiz "Keys get "stuck" down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194214
[03:25] <techno_freak> if my launchpad url is https://bugs.launchpad.net/~parth-technofreak is my launchpad id parth-technofreak.? am trying to use add-5-a-day :s
[03:28] <techno_freak> ah yes :) done
[04:16] <greg-g> ok, need a bit of help assigning a package for a kde app.  bug 188558
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188558 in ubuntu "User Mgmt -> Monitor & Display doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188558
[09:14] <InsClusoe> Can someone tell me when Hardy Alpha 5 will be ready for download? I thought of downloading just now. But release schedule says Alpha 5 is due anytime soon...
[09:14] <InsClusoe> I mean, I thought of downloading Alpha 4 when I realised that Alpha 5 is abt to become available.
[09:15] <seb128> InsClusoe: you can download the current daily iso, that will likely do the trick
[09:15] <seb128> and if there is a small change rsyncing will be quick
[09:18] <KenSentMe> Is it a bug that when you remove a package like nano, the ubuntu-standard package will also be removed? I am triaging a bug about it
[09:18] <KenSentMe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nano/+bug/194269
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194269 in nano "attempt to remove nano removes ubuntu-base" [Undecided,New]
[09:19] <InsClusoe> seb128: Thanks..
[09:20] <seb128> InsClusoe: otherwise to reply to your question, not sure when it'll be available, should be today
[09:21] <InsClusoe> Hmm.. Would be fantastic if they could mention time as well on the schedule page.
[09:24] <KenSentMe> What status should i apply to a bug like the one stated above?
[09:26] <seb128> InsClusoe: they would if they knew exactly
[09:26] <seb128> InsClusoe: the image was due yesterday, when there is some delay that usually due to issues that need to be worked
[09:27] <InsClusoe> seb128: Yeah...
[09:27] <seb128> InsClusoe: and then new images need to be rolled and retested, etc
[09:28] <InsClusoe> seb128: Yup.. I do acknowledge the practical difficulties.
[09:49] <KenSentMe> Is it ok to change the status of this kind of bugs to 'Invalid'? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nano/+bug/194269
[09:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194269 in nano "attempt to remove nano removes ubuntu-base" [Undecided,Invalid]
[10:59] <socceroos> is this the spot where I need to be to get help on triaging bugs?
[11:32] <Iulian> Hey
[12:44] <InsClusoe> Iulian: Hi .. What's up?
[12:57] <pedro_> hello InsClusoe Iulian good day, how are you today?
[12:58] <InsClusoe> pedro_: Good. Thanks. How are you?
[12:58] <pedro_> I'm pretty fine too, thanks
[12:58] <pedro_> did you guys already have your 5 bugs of the day ? :-)
[12:58] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[12:58] <pedro_> InsClusoe: it's your network ok today ? ;-)
[12:59] <InsClusoe> pedro_: no.. not yet.
[12:59] <InsClusoe> pedro_: I discovered the network problem..
[12:59] <pedro_> what was it ?
[12:59] <InsClusoe> pedro_: We hadn't paid the bill... And they decided to block it.
[13:00] <InsClusoe> pedro_: They blocked it so well that all my instant messengers were working and I had access to two (only two) websites... wiki.ubuntu.com and launchpad.net
[13:00] <pedro_> but how you can connect to the IRC ? do they block you some pages or ports?
[13:00] <pedro_> ahahah
[13:00] <InsClusoe> pedro_: Am so thankful to their blocker configuration..
[13:00] <pedro_> I want something like that ;-)
[13:00] <InsClusoe> pedro_: :-)
[13:01] <pedro_> sourcercito: did you already have your 5 of today ? ;-)
[13:02] <InsClusoe> pedro_: You have done 5 already?
[13:02] <pedro_> yes yes yes
[13:03] <InsClusoe> pedro_: Great.. I am looking at bug #194343.. The description doesn't give a clue about the problem.
[13:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194343 in ubuntu "Keyboard goes suddenly bananas" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194343
[13:03] <pedro_> bananas?
[13:03] <sourcercito> pedro_, i'm still working with the consecuences of yesterday's hug day ;)
[13:03] <InsClusoe> pedro_: but I don't know the right  info to ask for.
[13:04] <sourcercito> InsClusoe, sorry for the late responde, i read the bug and update the info, i was with my girlfriend at the time you ping me ;)
[13:04] <pedro_> sourcercito: haha, thanks for take care about those reports :-)
[13:05] <InsClusoe> sourcercito: No prob.. I wouldn't have disturbed you had I known it earlier. ;-)
[13:05] <sourcercito> pedro_, you no you'll have to pay those in beer ;)
[13:05] <sourcercito> InsClusoe, do poke me any time, i don't mind
[13:06]  * Iulian looks around
[13:06] <pedro_> what's up Iulian!
[13:06] <InsClusoe> sourcercito: ok..
[13:08] <Iulian> Hello pedro!
[13:08] <InsClusoe> pedro_: Hey.. what abt the keyboard+bananas bug. The debugging procedures page doesn't have info on interface devices. Some info on debugging keyboard, mouse and joystick issues would be great. :-)
[13:08] <Iulian> It seems that I have some connection problems...
[13:08] <Iulian> Blah
[13:08] <pedro_> InsClusoe: maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#head-f68a44ebe8c816f76601704031747e9a1f880e5a
[13:08] <pedro_> Iulian: yeah looks like :-P
[13:08] <pedro_> Iulian: ready to grab 5 bugs? ;-)
[13:09] <Iulian> pedro_: No
[13:09] <Iulian> Why only 5?
[13:09] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[13:09] <pedro_> well you can totally do more than 5 !
[13:09] <Iulian> Hahah :-)
[13:09] <Iulian> Yeah, I was just kidding.
[13:10] <Iulian> Of course I am ready ;-)
[13:10] <pedro_> i know :-)
[13:11] <KenSentMe> I wanted to start with triaging 5 bugs a day, but i got some questions like: Is it ok to change the status of this kind of bugs to 'Invalid'? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nano/+bug/194269
[13:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194269 in nano "attempt to remove nano removes ubuntu-base" [Undecided,Invalid]
[13:11]  * Iulian is looking
[13:11] <KenSentMe> Cool, i asked earlier but got no response
[13:11] <Iulian> KenSentMe: Yes, that's not really a bug.
[13:12] <KenSentMe> It's a feature :p
[13:12] <Iulian> Well, I don't call that a feature request.
[13:13] <KenSentMe> Iulian, was just kidding,
[13:13] <Iulian> Okay
[13:14] <InsClusoe> ok.. got to go.. pay my ISP bill.. and will get back soon.. Have a nice day!
[13:15] <Iulian> See you later, InsClusoe.
[13:20] <seb128> pedro_: the retracers are buggy for some days apparently, the daily update doesn't work correctly, I've stopped those for now, feel free to retag bugs if you notice they have been incorrectly untagged
[13:20] <seb128> pedro_: ie, if they didn't get the retracing failed tag
[13:20] <seb128> pedro_: they should be retracable once the retracers are working again
[13:26] <pedro_> seb128: ok, thanks you
[13:28] <seb128> you are welcome
[13:28]  * seb128 hugs pedro_
[13:28]  * pedro_ hugs seb128 back
[13:48] <Unksi> hmm, is it ok to set this as invalid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/restricted-manager/+bug/194046
[13:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194046 in restricted-manager "Restricted Manager missing in Hardy Alpha 4" [Undecided,New]
[13:48] <markvandenborre> I'm trying to find a solution to another serious printing bug
[13:48] <markvandenborre> freshly installed default 7.10 desktop installation, HP Laserjet 4050N
[13:49] <bddebian> Boo
[13:49] <markvandenborre> everything seems to get sent to the printer correctly
[13:49] <markvandenborre> then I get a "processing job" on the printer's lcd screen forever
[13:49] <Iulian> Unksi: Yeap
[13:50] <Unksi> ok, thank you :)
[13:51] <Iulian> Be right back
[13:52] <markvandenborre> I've switched the cups log level to debug
[13:52] <markvandenborre> but it's not revealing a lot of information to me
[14:00] <markvandenborre> any suggestions?
[14:04] <Pici> Where should artwork related bugs/and or suggestions be filed to?
[14:04] <Pici> Regarding wallpaper in this instance.
[14:07] <seb128> Unksi: closing this one is right
[14:07] <seb128> markvandenborre: open a cupsys bug?
[14:07] <Pici> Eh... nevermind, turns out someone else touched the bug when I wasn't looking. (stuck to ubuntu-artwork for those following along at home)
[14:08] <markvandenborre> seb128: I don't get it, it works perfectly now on a different
[14:09] <markvandenborre> (after using gutenprint instead of the non-working "recommended" postscript one (bug already reported)
[14:09] <markvandenborre> different gutsy machine, other, identical laserjet 4050n
[14:10] <markvandenborre> any suggestions on troubleshooting/logs I should really include in the bug report
[14:10] <markvandenborre> ?
[14:13] <seb128> markvandenborre: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems
[14:14] <markvandenborre> thx seb128
[14:14] <seb128> you are welcome
[14:16] <afflux> could bug 102323 be a duplicate of bug 145360?
[14:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102323 in compiz "Compiz crashes when I rotate screen." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102323
[14:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145360 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145360
[14:21] <markvandenborre> ok, I don't get this
[14:21] <markvandenborre> on one machine, stock gutsy install
[14:21] <markvandenborre> a laserjet 4050n works with gutenprint
[14:21] <markvandenborre> on the other clean 7.10 install, it doesn't
[14:21] <markvandenborre> but it _does_ with foomatic/hpijs
[14:22] <markvandenborre> that's _weird_
[14:34] <afflux> pedro_: bug 194273 is a duplicate of 145360. I retraced locally and you deleted the coredump when I wanted to upload to retrace+upload it
[14:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194273 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194273
[14:34] <pedro_> afflux: feel free to mark it as a dup then :-)
[14:35] <afflux> I wanted to wait for the public retrace messages, but okay ;)
[14:37] <afflux> pedro_: could you have a quick look on bug 102323 and bug 145360 and tell me if they are the same?
[14:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102323 in compiz "Compiz crashes when I rotate screen." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102323
[14:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145360 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145360
[14:45] <pedro_> afflux: I'd say no, traces are a little differents and the symptoms too
[14:46] <pedro_> hey fvenegas_ good day!
[14:46] <fvenegas_> hola pedro_
[14:49] <afflux> pedro_: imo, the traces look quite similar: the calls are the same, the line numbers differ because the versions are different and the pointers differ of course ;)
[14:56] <afflux> pedro_: hm, the two duplicates of 102323 aren't very informative, I wonder why they were marked as duplicates. Anyway, i'm off for a coffee, feel free to hit me if you came to a decision ;)
[14:56] <afflux> (w 3
[14:56] <afflux> doh, that should've been a /window 3 ;)
[15:03] <pedro_> afflux: they're describing two different issues, look at the summaries
[15:03] <pedro_> and 102323 was already forwarded upstream and the compiz maintainers are working on it
[15:07] <kellis> Hi all, Could someone advise me whether the touchpad problem I'm having is a bug worth logging and what I'll need to log.
[15:11] <kellis> Its mighty quiet in here :)
[15:11] <InsClusoe>  kellis: Hi.. Please describe your problem before trying to find if it's worth logging a bug.
[15:12] <kellis> InsClusoe: Its an ALPS touchpad configured using synaptics. The 4-way scroll button behaves randomly. Up goes down. L/R/D do all kinds of random things.
[15:14] <InsClusoe> On Gutsy?
[15:15] <kellis> InsClusoe: Yes
[15:16] <kellis> InsClusoe: L/R/D seem to vary. Sometimes they cause huge jumps of the mouse pointer, sometimes they disable the Up button, other times they simulate a button 2 event.
[15:18] <InsClusoe> Can you check out bug #109856 and confirm if it's the same?
[15:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109856 in network-manager-pptp "makes a useless icon in internet menu" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109856
[15:18] <kellis> InsClusoe: I'll take a look. brb
[15:19] <InsClusoe> kellis: oops.. sorry
[15:19] <InsClusoe> its bug #109586
[15:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109586 in ksynaptics "Touchpad configuration (ksynaptics) has no (permanent) effect " [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109586
[15:19] <InsClusoe> my bad
[15:21] <kellis> I don't think thats the same issue, although I've been making changes primarily in xorg.conf
[15:24] <InsClusoe> hmm..
[15:24] <InsClusoe> Guess it's worth logging.
[15:25] <InsClusoe> I think you should log a bug againt gnome-control-center
[15:25] <kellis> Thanks, any particular output worth including? I've not logged a bug before
[15:28] <InsClusoe> You can refer to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection
[15:28] <kellis> thanks again
[15:29] <InsClusoe> welcome
[16:06] <afflux> pedro_: both compiz bugs are crashes, aren't they?
[16:06] <pedro_> afflux: look at the summaries
[16:09] <afflux> pedro_: don't get it.
[16:51] <bdmurray> pedro_: I've updated yesterday's wiki page
[17:04] <pedro_> bdmurray: woohoo thanks
[17:04] <pedro_> sourcercito: congrats!
[17:04]  * pedro_ hugs sourcercito
[17:08] <Iulian> Yea, great job!
[17:10] <seb128> pedro_: heh, I'm listed several times under different names on this page, who did that? ;-)
[17:11] <afflux> me :(
[17:11] <afflux> or at least, i added "sebastienbacher" once
[17:11] <afflux> or twice? don't remember
[17:12] <pedro_> haha
[17:12] <Iulian> :)
[17:12] <afflux> if found some bugs you triaged but didn't tick off ;)
[17:14] <afflux> pedro_, bdmurray: I'd like to reapply to the -bugcontrol team
[17:14] <pedro_> afflux: sure that'd be cool :-)
[17:17] <afflux> pedro_: ie. my membership will expire in some few days and brian told me that this is rather a check.
[17:19] <pedro_> afflux: i'll take a look to it
[17:19] <afflux> thank you
[17:21] <seb128> pedro_: do you have a working editmoin?
[17:22] <pedro_> seb128: yep
[17:22] <pedro_> it doesn't works for you?
[17:22] <seb128> pedro_: I think I don't have the wiki cookie or something on this box
[17:23] <seb128> pedro_: can you quickly edit the wiki page from the bug day and change it to use seb128 consistently? ;-)
[17:23] <pedro_> aha,
[17:23] <pedro_> no way!
[17:23] <pedro_> :-P
[17:23] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[17:23] <pedro_> doing it now
[17:23] <seb128> that's quick with a text editor
[17:23] <seb128> editing a wiki from a web browser is no fun
[17:23] <hp> hi
[17:23] <seb128> ;-)
[17:23] <seb128> Hi hp
[17:24] <bdmurray> speaking of editmoin has anybody used the -t option for templates?
[17:24] <hp> I am new here, I am from germany and I want to help finding bugs ;)
[17:25] <pedro_> afflux: check your email ;-)
[17:26] <pedro_> bdmurray: i haven't
[17:26] <pedro_> bdmurray: do you think it would be a good idea to start promoting the use of editmoin for bug days?
[17:27] <pedro_> like an extra line at the page saying something about it
[17:27] <InsClusoe> hp: Download and install Hardy Alpha 6 and report any bugs you encounter.
[17:27] <bdmurray> pedro_: yeah, I added a link to my vim editing idea
[17:28] <Iulian> hp: Great! You can find all reported bugs to Ubuntu here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ - before starting please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[17:28] <pedro_> rock!
[17:28] <InsClusoe> Also, read this page... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
[17:28] <afflux> pedro_: thank you
[17:28] <hp> InsClusoe: thanks, ok. question: is bug reporting for gutsy on the wish list?
[17:28] <pedro_> afflux: thanks you for the good work you're doing :-)
[17:29]  * pedro_ hugs afflux
[17:29]  * afflux hugs pedro_  :)
[17:29] <InsClusoe> hp: Am not the right person to answer that.
[17:29] <hp> Iulian: Thank you too. I will read it asap
[17:30] <hp> InsClusoe: ok anyway thanks. I will read the links you provided..
[17:30] <InsClusoe> hp: Glad to be of some help.
[17:31] <hp> :) brb
[17:36] <InsClusoe> KenSentMe: 194351 got fixed by itself. Thought you would be interested.
[17:43] <Brenny> So, I'm trying to do 5-a-day, but I'm intimidated to change anything in Launchpad. If there is a bug that I can reproduce, am I allowed to just mark it as confirmed? Silly question, I know, but Launchpad scares me for some reason.
[17:45] <seb128> Brenny: maybe look at bugs, and describe what you would change on the chan?
[17:45] <seb128> Brenny: this way you can get confirmations before doing changes
[17:47] <Brenny> Well, all I would be changing is a bug status from "New" to "Confirmed" because I see the same behaviour. It's just a Firefox bug, 194394. F11 (fullscreen) messes with the way you had the window set up before you used F11.
[17:47] <Brenny> I commented, but I'm scared to do anything else :P
[17:48] <seb128> bug #194394
[17:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194394 in firefox "firefox fullscreen behaviour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194394
[17:49] <seb128> Brenny: that's likely a duplicate, the first issue is not a bug, F11 is toggle, first press switch to full screen, second one out of it again
[17:50] <seb128> Brenny: the window position changing is likely a duplicate
[17:50] <Brenny> Well, it still kicks you out of maximized. In my opinion at least, it should return your window to the exact state it was in before.
[17:50] <seb128> it does here on hardy
[17:51] <seb128> only the window position is changed
[17:51] <seb128> and that's likely a duplicate as written
[17:51] <Brenny> bug #30522 actually looks like the first reporting of it.
[17:53] <seb128> Brenny: right
[17:54] <InsClusoe> Hurray! I did my 5 for the day. Guess I can peacefully have my dinner now.
[17:54] <seb128> InsClusoe: enjoy ;-)
[17:55] <InsClusoe> seb128: Thanks.. Will be back shortly and start bugging you guys for help. ;-)
[17:55] <Brenny> seb128, then am I allowed to mark it as duplicate? I'm starting this 5-a-day thing slowly so I don't rush into Launchpad and give everyone a headache while they fix my mistakes ;P
[17:56] <seb128> Brenny: yes
[17:57] <Brenny> I could get used to this. Giving back to the OS that has given me so much :) I just wonder if I can claim volunteer hours for this. I need 40 to graduate ;)
[18:03] <seb128> ;-)
[18:05] <james_w> Are we going to have 5-a-day time at UDS?
[18:06] <ubotu> New bug: #194394 in firefox (universe) "firefox fullscreen behaviour (dup-of: 30522)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194394
[18:16] <afflux> anyone able to confirm bug 187151? It's about multiple shutdown-dialogs opened when pushing the power button on HP Compaq nx7300
[18:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187151 in gnome-power-manager "When power button pressed more times = more windows dialog if I cancel" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187151
[18:20] <InsClusoe> afflux: Here's what happens on my dell..
[18:21] <InsClusoe> afflux: If I push the power button thrice in succession, then I have to click cancel on 3 dialogs.
[18:21] <InsClusoe> afflux: I am on Feisty though.
[18:22] <InsClusoe> afflux: Don't know if that helped you.
[18:38] <tuxTuxonson> o   o
[18:38] <tuxTuxonson>     /
[18:38] <tuxTuxonson> \______/
[18:38] <jeromeg> tuxTuxonson: ?
[18:39] <tuxTuxonson> ?
[18:41] <afflux> InsClusoe: hardy would be helpful :)
[18:42] <greg-g> 5-a-day question: I see a bug, I assign it to a package and ask for more infomartion.  I add it to my 5 that day.  Tomorrow (or 2 days from then) the reporter provides the information.  I then do something else with the bug (assign to some team, mark confirmed, invalid, report it upstream, etc) do I add it to my 5 that day also?
[18:42] <james_w> greg-g: go for it, but do 6 that day, just to be sure :)
[18:43] <InsClusoe> afflux: I just downloaded Hardy Alpha 4. Will burn it and update you. But I don't think Hardy supports WPA2. Without it, I won't be able to report bugs.
[18:43] <InsClusoe> afflux: Would an update from a livecd session suffice?
[18:43] <greg-g> james_w: :)
[18:44] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: WPA2 works for me on a Live CD of Hardy
[18:45] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: oh. great.. I had asked a question abt it on Hardy Development on ubuntuforums.org. I had no confirmation of the same. So, I was hesitant..
[18:46] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: I am too lazy to install wpasupplicant and edit my  /etc/network/interfaces file again...
[18:47] <afflux> InsClusoe: yes, that'd enough
[18:48] <afflux> InsClusoe: thank you in advance
[18:49] <InsClusoe> afflux: np.. hardy iso burn in progress.
[18:51] <InsClusoe> afflux: BTW, I downloaded Hardy so that when the final release arrives, it works perfectly on my laptop.
[18:54] <afflux> InsClusoe: that's great
[18:56] <InsClusoe> Burning is complete. Will reboot, test and report back soon.
[18:56] <afflux> InsClusoe: good luck :)
[18:57] <InsClusoe> afflux: Yup. Thanks But I hope I don't need it.
[19:11] <InsClusoe> afflux: bdmurray: I am thrilled..
[19:12] <InsClusoe> Hardy is cool.
[19:12] <InsClusoe> afflux: I am able to reproduce that bug though..
[19:13] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: which bug is that again?
[19:13] <InsClusoe> Bug #187151
[19:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187151 in gnome-power-manager "When power button pressed more times = more windows dialog if I cancel" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187151
[19:15] <InsClusoe> Another issue: My wi-fi indicator does not glow.
[19:15] <james_w> anyone got any tips on debugging udev, hardy boots a lot slower to me as the "udevadm settle" call at startup is really slow. I suspect a timeout, but I can't work out what is being slow.
[19:16] <bdmurray> afflux: apt-cache-madison isn't really indicative of the package version someone has installed
[19:16] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: if you could add the package version you noticed it with that would be helpful I think
[19:16] <bdmurray> Perhaps in the "description" add LATEST VERSION TESTED: and the package name and version
[19:17] <InsClusoe> ok..
[19:17] <bdmurray> james_w: have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUdev
[19:17] <InsClusoe> Another issue: I see a different icon where firefox quick launch used to be. Next to Evolution.
[19:18] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: what wireless driver are you using?
[19:18] <InsClusoe> When I click on this apparently new icon, it says not a launchable item.
[19:18] <InsClusoe> My card is ipw3945.
[19:19] <bdmurray> I think that is a result of firefox 3 being the default now
[19:19] <InsClusoe> ok..
[19:21] <bdmurray> That bug regarding your wireless LED may be bug 176090
[19:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176090 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "WiFi / WLAN LED not working on notebooks with Intel iwl4965 | iwl3945" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176090
[19:21] <james_w> bdmurray: no, thanks.
[19:24] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: ok.. Will look at it..
[19:24] <afflux> bdmurray: woops, i thought so. policy will better, right?
[19:26] <bdmurray> afflux: yeah, that'd work really well
[19:26] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: Yes. I think it's the same bug. Sorry for reporting duplicates here... :-)
[19:27] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: What do you mean here?  Bringing it up or reporting it to lp?
[19:27] <InsClusoe> Bringing it up here...Never mind..
[19:28] <InsClusoe> Another issue: The scroll section of my synaptics touchpad don't work. No horizontal or vertical scroll possible.
[19:28] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: No problem, it isn't possible to know every bug and better here than submitting it again. ;)
[19:28] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: that's known too
[19:29] <bdmurray> bug 173411
[19:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173411 in xorg "[Hardy][Regression] Touchpad vertical scroll does not work" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173411
[19:29] <bdmurray> that contains a workaround too if you are interested
[19:30] <InsClusoe> ok.. not just vertical.. Horizontal scroll also doesn't work..
[19:31] <bdmurray> It is probably the same bug
[19:31] <bdmurray> iirc there is no information about synaptics in xorg.conf at the moment
[19:31] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: I can't really use the workaround now.. I am on a LiveCD session.
[19:33] <InsClusoe> BTW, doesn't livecd have a battery level indicator?
[19:34] <bdmurray> it should
[19:35] <Unksi> atleast kubuntu a4 has
[19:35] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: There is no batter indicator in my live session.
[19:36] <bdmurray> hmm, I don't know that bug number ;)
[19:38] <InsClusoe> :-)
[19:40] <InsClusoe> Should I file that against gnome-power-manager?
[19:40] <bdmurray> You are on alpha 4 right now?
[19:41] <InsClusoe> yes
[19:41] <InsClusoe> BTW, I just updated
[19:41] <InsClusoe> 187151
[19:41] <bdmurray> great, stopped me from typing ;)
[19:42] <bdmurray> hmm, did you update that bug or have you updated on the live cd?
[19:42] <InsClusoe> Sorry.. I just updated the bug regarding power button. Bug #187151
[19:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187151 in gnome-power-manager "When power button pressed more times = more windows dialog if I cancel" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187151
[19:44] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: Do you have AC power connected?  What happens if you disconnect it?
[19:44] <InsClusoe> I don't have AC power connected. No battery indicator now. Want me to connect it?
[19:45] <bdmurray> That sounds good
[19:47] <InsClusoe> Connected.. But I didn't get a popup saying AC Supply connected.
[19:47] <InsClusoe> I didn't get the balloon.
[19:47] <bdmurray> Did the applet show up though?
[19:48] <InsClusoe> No. if by applet, you meant the power level indicator.
[19:48] <bdmurray> hmm
[19:49] <InsClusoe> But I am not able to reproduce your 147772, though.. That's the first thing I tested. :-)
[19:49] <InsClusoe> Bug #147772
[19:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147772 in gnome-power-manager "after turning brightness off gpm does not respond to brightness up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147772
[19:49] <bdmurray> Install any updates, that should pull in HAL which might change the behaviour
[19:50] <InsClusoe> like what? Can a LiveCD session be updated? Shall I do a rsync then?
[19:51] <bdmurray> just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[19:51] <bdmurray> but don't reboot if it tells you to ;)
[19:51] <InsClusoe> Great. In progress.
[19:51] <InsClusoe> ok..
[19:53] <InsClusoe> It's upgrading xserver-xorg-video-ati. My chipset is Intel945GM.
[19:53] <bdmurray> that's fine
[19:54] <InsClusoe> Finished upgrading.
[19:55] <InsClusoe> Are we expecting the power indicator applet to work? If so, no luck.
[20:00] <bdmurray> Okay, have you looked at the debugging gnomepowermanager page then?
[20:00] <InsClusoe> oopsey... no..
[20:04] <InsClusoe> strange... I ran the gnome-power-bugreport.sh script.
[20:05] <InsClusoe> It says " battery.rechargeable.is_charging = false  (bool)
[20:05] <InsClusoe>   battery.rechargeable.is_discharging = false  (bool)"
[20:05] <bdmurray> does it have anything about sysfs in there?
[20:07] <InsClusoe> It has the power manager processes' information.
[20:07] <InsClusoe> Am afraid that may not answer your question..
[20:09] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: I've got to run in a bit but try 'hal-find-by-capability --capability "battery" | xargs -n 1 hal-device' and look for sysfs
[20:10] <InsClusoe> linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0'  (string)
[20:11] <InsClusoe> That's the only line containing sysfs..
[20:11] <InsClusoe> battery.present = true (bool)
[20:12] <Kirrus> bdmurray, was it you I talked to about bug #110407?
[20:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110407 in bash "Feisty should include Bash 3.1.x version due to regex syntax change" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110407
[20:12] <InsClusoe> So, it does detect that there is a battery.. At least I don't see two batteries like it's listed on the debugging gnome-power-manager page.
[20:14] <bdmurray> InsClusoe: ted gave me the impression that what you are experiencing is an issue with the sysfs interface to the battery
[20:14] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: ok..
[20:14] <bdmurray> However, I don't know if there is a bug about it yet.  I'd search in the HAL package
[20:15] <InsClusoe> ok. I will look for it..
[20:15] <bdmurray> as it is HAL that is showing the battery strangely
[20:16] <InsClusoe> Hmm.. And in the meanwhile, shall I change status of bug #187151 to confirmed?
[20:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187151 in gnome-power-manager "When power button pressed more times = more windows dialog if I cancel" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187151
[20:17] <bdmurray> yes, that'd be great
[20:18] <InsClusoe> Welcome.. Status change: Done.
[20:21] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: While I am at it, do you want me to try to reproduce any bugs?
[20:31] <anonymous111> Hi. I found a minor bug. On the Update Manager, when there is only one minute remaining, it says "About 1 minutes remaining".
[20:32] <Kirrus> hello anonymous111
[20:33] <anonymous111> hi. that bug was on gutsy btw
[20:34] <Kirrus> can you file it? Here are instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[20:34] <anonymous111> sure - I'll do that ASAP
[20:37] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: Apologies. When I connect the laptop to AC Power, the applet IS displayed.
[20:37] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: I am so sorry.
[20:38] <InsClusoe> There was a loose connection earlier.
[20:40] <Kirrus> thanks anonymous111
[20:41] <bdmurray> Kirrus: it might be possible to figure out if "1 minutes" is still true by looking at the source code
[20:41] <afflux> bdmurray: for bug 187151 (again!), if that aplies to KDE as well, it's likely not to be GPM, right? If so, should I assign it to acpi?
[20:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187151 in gnome-power-manager "When power button pressed more times = more windows dialog if I cancel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187151
[20:43] <bdmurray> afflux: I don't think so
[20:44] <bdmurray> looking at /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh it says
[20:44] <bdmurray> "If gnome-power-manager, kpowersave or klaptopdaemon are running, let them handle policy"
[20:44] <afflux> hm
[20:44] <Kirrus> anonymous111, can you tell me the bugnumber once you've submitted it please?
[20:44] <afflux> (why didn't I just look at that script? Stupid me!)
[20:45] <Kirrus> I'll look at it bdmurray...
[20:45] <bdmurray> I'd interpret that to me that they are responding to the button press event w/o seeing if there is already a dialog present
[20:45] <bdmurray> to mean that is
[20:46] <afflux> yeah, right. So I'd add the kde power thing as a second task?
[20:46] <afflux> as they suffer a check if we're already logging out?
[20:48] <afflux> (it's kdebase for kde)
[20:49] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: If I connect and disconnect the supply, the power-applet remains on the tray. So, it appears that only during boot it does not get initiated for some reason.
[20:51] <Kirrus> bdmurray, where can I find the source for that? None is available under update-manager-core or update-manager
[20:52] <bdmurray> afflux: I'd think kde-guidance-powermanager which is part of kde-guidance
[20:52] <bdmurray> afflux: but adding a secondary affected package is correct
[20:53] <bdmurray> Kirrus: what does apt-cache madison update-manager return?  Does a Sources listing show up?
[20:54] <Kirrus> no
[20:54] <Kirrus> bdmurray, it returns: update-manager |     1:0.81 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[20:55] <bdmurray> Kirrus: it doesn't sound like you have a source package line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[20:56] <bdmurray> Kirrus: However, update-manager uses launchpad as its upstream so you could just check the code out via bzr
[20:56] <bdmurray> And that would be the most recent
[20:56] <Kirrus> bdmurray, I don't know how to use bzr, or any source repository for that matter... I'll look it up though...
[20:57] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: I just ran update manager on my live cd.. It downloaded 16 packages and took a minute and 30 seconds. The time on it is listed as 'x'min'y's. I guess anonymous111, who reported it, must have meant apt-get.
[20:57] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: And the moment time remaining fell below a min, it showed only seconds remaining.
[20:57] <afflux> apt-get shows 1min2s for me just in this moment
[20:58] <InsClusoe> bdmurray: Well... :-)
[20:58] <InsClusoe> Hey afflux, I updated that bug. Think you would have got an alert mail.
[20:59] <afflux> InsClusoe: yep, got it, thank you very much
[20:59] <afflux> InsClusoe: working on which packages are affected at the moment
[20:59] <Kirrus> bdmurray, would this be a correct command to download the source? "bzr checkout https://code.launchpad.net/update-manager/main"
[21:00] <InsClusoe> afflux: ok.. Just let me know if I can test something for you.
[21:00] <afflux> InsClusoe: yes, tyvm
[21:00] <bdmurray> Kirrus: I think 'bzr branch' appropriate
[21:01] <bdmurray> It actually shows you at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main
[21:01] <InsClusoe> afflux: welcome.
[21:02] <bdmurray> and I usually add the name of the local folder I want it to be, because otherwise it'll just be called main
[21:02] <bdmurray> so 'bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main update-manager.main' or something
[21:05] <Ricflomag> hi all, i'm looking for help to identify the right package for bug 69711, is this the right place ?
[21:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 69711 in aspell-fr "Desktop apps spell-check problem" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69711
[21:06] <bdmurray> Ricflomag: yes, it is the right place
[21:07] <seb128> there is debcheckout to get the source
[21:07] <seb128> it'll use bzr or whatever the control describes
[21:07] <Ricflomag> i thought is was aspell-fr but it seems that i was wrong
[21:08] <bdmurray> seb128: that's great I didn't know that
[21:08] <Ricflomag> the bug does seem to be related to french in particular, spanish is also affected for instance
[21:34] <InsClusoe> seb128: I would like to work on bug #26394 but I don't know where to start. Would be good if you can give me a few pointers.
[21:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 26394 in gnome-panel "Web browser button on top panel should open preferred application, rather than firefox/evolution" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26394
[21:46] <james_w> InsClusoe: as Loïc says first there need to be scripts written to launch the gconf configured apps, if they don't already exist.
[21:51] <InsClusoe> james_w: ok..
[21:54] <james_w> InsClusoe: they shouldn't need to be complicated, just use gconftool to get the configured preferred application, and launch it, falling back to firefox.
[21:54] <InsClusoe> hmm..
[21:56] <InsClusoe> ok.. thanks.. Let me figure out how gconftool works first...
[21:57] <Ricflomag> Sorry, anyone to give me a clue on finding the package for bug 69711 ?
[21:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 69711 in ubuntu "Desktop apps spell-check problem" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69711
[22:03] <james_w> Ricflomag: firefox on gutsy links to libhunspell, so it may be a bug in hunspell.
[22:04] <james_w> Ricflomag: I'm not positive though, but it could be the next step.
[22:04] <Ricflomag> thank you james_w, i'll check it
[22:06] <james_w> Ricflomag: there is a hunspell package that probably has a command line program you could test with.
[22:07] <Ricflomag> james_w: got it, many thanks.
[23:24] <Ricflomag> james_w: i've updated the bug in launchpad and filed a new report upstream. Thank you again.
[23:39] <afflux>  /w 3
[23:39] <afflux> bad irssi!
[23:46] <wolfger_> what package should a LiveCD bug be assigned to?
[23:50] <bdmurray> wolfger_: whatever package is affected. ;)  As it is probably is not specific to the Live CD.  What are experiencing?
[23:51] <wolfger_> I'm triaging Bug #180869 and the user says the problem is only on the LiveCD, not the final install
[23:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180869 in ubuntu "[hardy] Kubuntu Live CD fails to automount hard disk partitions in Hardy Heron alpha2" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180869
[23:53] <bdmurray> Hmm, that's interesting
[23:58] <bdmurray> wolfger_: the package for the live cd is casper but I don't think that is the issue
[23:58] <bdmurray> it's be interesting to find out what happens when they manually try to mount it