[00:55] I'm having another problem, this time with AWN, when I go to click on another window, it doesn't bring auto focus on to it, it will pop up on my screen but it wont be selected, it makes me click it multiple times to make it the focused window [00:55] anyone know have this problem / know how to fix it? [02:43] greetings, is anyone here familiar with both xubuntu 7.10 and Puppy Linux? [02:55] Hey there, I am trying to install a laptop that had ubuntu 6 on it, and when I boot the xubuntu 7 cd, no matter the option I select it drops to the Initramfs prompt [02:56] Thoughts? [02:59] LTS version currently? [02:59] Thats what was on it ya [03:00] I'd updtae as much as I can then pop in the alternate Gutsy [03:00] not the LiveCD [03:01] i dont think that will help the cd work :p [03:01] initramfs = busybox?? [03:02] dsmith_, ya, sorry, it is busybox, the prompt is: (initramfs) tho [03:02] anyone familiar with both xubuntu and puppy? [03:02] HeatHawk[LI]: I have seen that before and I can still figure out why that comes up from time to time [03:02] I *cannot [03:03] xubuppy linux? [03:03] lol [03:04] my usb works perfectly in puppy but I can't get it right in xubuntu [03:05] fstab? [03:05] what does lsusb say? [03:06] Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 [03:06] if I plug in an USB key, the device manager sees it but I get no hotplug in xubuntu [03:07] so no automont... manual mount = HAL whines after a few seconds and disconnects the key [03:08] hmmmmmmmmm [03:09] ask on #ubuntu [03:09] expert more then me [03:10] I've tried changing the grub options to: noapic nolapic pci=routeirq irqpoll... but then my NIC crashes after a few seconds in Firefox, hard reset required [03:11] dsmith_, do you know if the latest xubuntu kernel employs the new drive naming scheme? sd* instead of hd? [03:12] i am not sure [03:12] because the init script is complaining it cant find /dev/sdb when this is an older ide based laptop, so unless it uses the new scheme, thats a hardcoded error :\ [03:12] create a bug for it [06:16] hey, running gutsy, trying to get audacity to work. verified that mic (and audio) work through the sound control panel. audacity set for i/o /dev/dsp (OSS), mic selected, and when you hit record... freeze. ALSA donut work. 1.3.3 beta [06:36] hola? [06:37] a lively bunch tonight? [06:37] indeed. [06:39] i can't get xubuntu to install successfully [06:40] that's pretty specific. [06:40] on my laptop..hehe sorry I saw that one coming [06:40] ... [06:40] keep going [06:40] i load the LiveCD, click on the install icon follow the prompts. it finishes installing, I click on "reboot now" [06:40] i'm working on it hang on [06:41] ok :-) [06:41] it shuts down, instructs me to remove my CD and press enter. then it restarts and that's it--black screen with a blinking cursor in the top left of screen [06:42] does it show any startup at all? [06:42] i leave it for a few minutes, thinking its still loading, and it never wakes up. the HDD light is going like mad but it never wakes [06:42] like, your laptop's startup, etc? [06:42] does it ever say anything about "Grub" ? [06:42] yes, I get my manufacturers splash but nothing from xubuntu [06:42] yeah it says loading 1.5 or something [06:42] what kind of laptop, how much memory, etc. [06:42] ok [06:43] that tells us that the bootstrap made it [06:43] I have a Toshiba Satellite (about 2 years old) 512MB RAM, 40GB HDD, Pentium M proc, intel pro wireless 2200, ati mobile radeon 9600 [06:44] hrm. [06:44] dunno if my partitions are goofing it up...i manually created them instead of "using the entire disk" [06:44] the first thing that comes to mind to do is try to do the installation from the alternate, rather than the live CD [06:44] the live CD did not work for me. [06:45] however, i have a considerably older and grumpier laptop happily working via the alternate install. [06:46] i'm DBANning it right now and will try again. alternate install? I'll look for that on the home page. [06:46] i'm interested in trying out VMWares, VirtualBox, Parallels, etc in Xubuntu. Is this possible? I'd like to run a few distro and maybe the "distro" from Redmond, WA [06:47] in a VM [06:47] its on the downloads page. [06:47] absolutely [06:48] how do i browse samba shares in xubuntu? [06:49] http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/10/xubuntu-and-browsing-samba-network.html [06:50] thanks [06:51] ( google is your friend :-) ) [06:51] who's google? [06:52] kinda goofy looking kid, googley eyes, you know [06:52] yeah, i looked around, but found various things, and couldn't decide which to use [06:52] hehe... [06:53] i like Xubuntu because it doesn't have all that system bloat like Ubuntu does. [06:53] they really need to get a handle on that [06:53] i'm running eeexubuntu currently, [06:53] huh? [06:53] i'm expecting good things from hardy [06:53] it's xubuntu customized for the eee pc [06:53] he has an eee pc [06:54] i read some of the release notes and there doesn't seem like much to upgrade for... [06:54] in Hardy [06:55] support for LUKS, etc. is supposed to improve. [06:55] well, hopefully they nail this one down to a nice release, since they've gained a lot of popularity, and it's their chance to really capitalize on it [06:55] pulsaudio [06:55] either of you know anything about audio / [06:56] er audio under gutsy ? [06:56] in linux? no, i'm just happy when i get it to work. [06:56] everything is working except audacity [06:56] mic plays through, etc, but when i hit record, audacity takes a shit. totally freezes. [06:56] er mic playus through control panel [06:57] i'm definately not an audio guy [06:58] skypiloteee: does your webcam work with that machine? my laptop has a built-in webcam as well but I've never been able to get it to work [06:58] this is my first serious roll with linux in about 8 years. [06:58] last time around, i had a slackware box serving as an automation server. [06:58] I've been Linux exclusive for about 6 months [06:58] the eee pc webcam works flawlessly. [06:58] been a bsd/openstep/osx guy too damned long, lost track. [06:58] Ultraputz: i've been wanting to try Slackware [06:59] everyone thinks this thing is worth more than it is [06:59] they always assume it's expensive [06:59] they're like $400 usd , ja ? [06:59] Ultraputz: never tried BSD, that's another I'd like to mess with. I see a lot of similarities in XFCE and OSX [06:59] "it's the thinking man's macbook air." [06:59] $300 for the base 2g model [06:59] $400 for the 4g [07:00] 4GB? What can you put on that HDD? 2 OOo docs? [07:00] SDHC slot takes care of most storage needs [07:00] also, i just freshly installed xubuntu and a couple of apps, and currently at.... [07:00] does it have a USB port to attach an external drive? [07:01] 3 usb ports, and an SDHC slot (SD high capacity, so like 8-16gb) [07:01] and that sits almost flush in it [07:01] the reason it's 4gb is because it's a solid state drive, not your typical hard drive [07:02] frijolie -- my largest complaint with most unixen on the desktop is x windows [07:02] i have 1.6gb free [07:02] skypiloteee: solid state = mini stone tablet? [07:02] frij - no hdd [07:02] static memory [07:02] like the big air [07:02] imagine a usb flash drive, but faster, as your hard drive [07:03] i was kidding [07:03] heh [07:03] <- stoned, a little dense. [07:03] :-) [07:03] I'd like to experiment with a bootable USB distro [07:03] btw, funny from main ubuntu channel "does anyone know why sound would not work after I upgraded to ubuntu studio 7.10 from gutsy?" [07:03] DSL [07:04] Damn Small Linux [07:04] eeexubuntu actually lets you boot off usb, has the usb boot maker thing in it actually [07:04] I'm setting up this machine to take with me. I'm going to do some travelling for the next year or so, and I want something I can use to keep in touch with people. [07:04] I've heard of that one before...is it all CLI? [07:04] and to write with, of course. [07:05] DSL is just a definition of a linux that's useful embedded. [07:05] it can have a GUI, but typically does not. [07:05] however, it would certainly not be x-windows based. [07:05] I think they've got it down to a few MB don't they? [07:05] dsl? it's like 55mb [07:06] some very simplified kernals can run in small spaces. [07:06] if you're interested in small, look up the L4/fiasco kernal. [07:06] .rpm, .deb, .tar.gz, or binary? [07:06] binary, of course. [07:07] l4/fiasco is really impressive and tiny. If you want to roll your own operating system, there's the magic fairy dust. [07:07] I would like to use them at school, but I'm sure booting to USB requires administrator account right? [07:07] depends on the machine [07:07] and how it's set [07:07] don't you have to get into the CMOS and allow USB boot and change the boot order? [07:07] if they're stupid (and many are) if usb has priority over hdd for boot, then it will go. [07:08] that's typically not hard, again, because most admins are pretty stupid. [07:08] that would leave them wide open for viruses, trojans, malware, etc [07:08] specially on a windoze box [07:08] hence why he said that most of them are stupid [07:09] understood [07:09] we begin with the part where they're running windows -- if you're running windows, then having a virus-free environment is obviously not a high priority. [07:09] most campus admins are just rent-an-admin anyways. Mostly students doing "work studies" [07:09] don't really care what they have to do to get tuition waivers [07:10] then we move on to the part that most institutional systems are managed by Certified techs/admins. This is different from experience, and tends to produce monstrous and stupid problems. [07:10] ja [07:10] or in the US, they're basically highly paid phone support that graduated from the telephone. [07:10] little worker bees. [07:10] amen [07:11] i left the industry proper a few years ago [07:11] I'm taking a computer security class and they did a demo of a bootable distro called BackTrack. Have you heard of that one? [07:11] still do some freelance coding here and there. [07:11] nope. I've seen all kinds though. My favorite of the 1.44 OSes is QNX [07:11] it's unix-like and has good real-time support. [07:12] and a much lighter and smarter GUI system than x-windows that's network-retargetable. you can literally drag a window from one computer to another :-) [07:12] well, under certain circumstances. [07:12] :-) [07:12] BackTrack is designed to be a system penetration tester. It's amazing how many tools are out there for the "bad guys" [07:13] Never heard of QNX. [07:13] I'm trying to catch up in my education on wireless security [07:13] * Ultraputz discovered kismet [07:13] that's pretty sweet. [07:15] that reminds me, i was gonna go find how to crack wep, so if i ever absolutely need internet access on the road... [07:15] kismet is a part of that equation :-) [07:15] that's precisely my circumstances. i'll have, at least for a while, a vehicle. [07:16] apparently, the most important thing is to have a wireless card that can do a little more than simply connect. [07:16] some of them allow a kind of passive monitoring to detect passive networks by scanning for traffic [07:16] I've heard WPA/WPA2 isn't all that difficult to crack either [07:16] i've not heard, but i'd like to know more. [07:17] i've heard that cracking a decently strong WPA should take a considerable amount of time [07:17] where I am 80% have open networks anyway so there's no crackin to be done [07:17] oh the ignorance [07:17] here at the house, i quit worrying about it. I put a bandwidth choke on the firewall machine to a cheap little wifi router, and without the proper mac address, it doesn't give you a useful dns server, and it blocks the local ISP dns servers (preferring the local cache) [07:17] this way, it just seems to be problematic, and suggests you move along :-) [07:18] wonder how the wireless in the eee pc will work for wep cracking [07:18] MAC filtering is worthless just like WEP [07:18] what kinda slots that bug got? [07:18] yes, but this is passive. [07:18] it is not an exlcusive filter [07:19] it uses my mac to know to give me the correct DNS server. [07:19] and the firewall box blocks access to the other dns servers. [07:19] at least, locally known ones [07:19] so that rather than appearing to be 'guarded', it appears to be a fucked up configuration [07:19] so people don't sit on it. [07:20] i live right next to a public park, and I can say that WEP does not cover your butt :-) [07:20] http://wepcrack.sourceforge.net/ [07:20] (btw) [07:22] ah, kimset does intrusion detection? [07:23] kismet. among others. [07:23] i've got cable internet and have always been tempted to do a little "sniffin" [07:25] there are various unprotected wireless networks at my uni [07:25] if you sniff around, you can find some interesting things in the network shares [07:26] that's what I was talking about..."Naughty Babysitter 9" etc [07:26] oh man. [07:27] there's no end to crazy shit you'll see watching network traffic [07:27] just watch filesharing search requests. [07:27] can sniffers reconstruct the packets? [07:27] of course [07:27] huh? no way! [07:28] it's not difficult at all. [07:28] that's interesting [07:28] some things are harder to use than others [07:28] like various binary data streams [07:28] wireshark a good one? [07:28] but basic cleartext... [07:28] wireshark is pretty much a standard tool in the belt, ja. [07:29] also read up about cable modems and networking. [07:29] sometimes your neighbors are easy to see :-) [07:29] i'm behind a NAT router, will that complicate things? [07:29] you've got some homework to do :-) [07:29] right now there's 9/11 wireless networks that have no security [07:30] nevermind the alphabet soup -- networking is not terribly complicated. it's a good to have a basic orientation with theory, rather than have memorized a bunch of procedures relating to the front-end. [07:30] and a print server? [07:30] a lot of wireless printers [07:30] they act as a sort of access point, like an airport express [07:30] an entry point? [07:30] you'd have to read up on the specific devices. [07:31] but it would be fun to print random things on other people's printers. [07:31] goatse anyone? [07:31] 72 point type: "you need to study network security. -evildoer666" [07:31] hehe, like those old fax spam messages of old [07:31] one of the most spectacular gifts i received was from a friend who was a xerox technician [07:31] xerox docucenters are huge copiers. [07:32] well, more like "micro printing plants" [07:32] but they're not old electromechanical copiers. [07:32] they're high speed laser printers and scanners. [07:32] ... tied together with predictable hardware. [07:32] in short, suns. [07:32] and they all have the same default password. [07:32] for the technician to maintain them [07:32] yet they sit on a network, and they're running a friendly unix. [07:33] when i worked at certain midwestern university, one of my schadenfreude was running an old text-based MUD off of another department's docucenter [07:33] and occasionally looking through their faxes, or randomly inserting things into their print cue. [07:33] er queue [07:34] at one point, our department was embroiled in a lot of heat due to the firing of bobby knight [07:34] hehe [07:34] the vice president was constantly sweating [07:34] don't mess with the IT guy [07:34] so we backoriface'd his machine, and would turn on and stream his mic to listen in, and grab the renderings from his fax-printer. [07:34] he was a chode. [07:35] i had fairly late hours, noon to 8. One day, i was a proxy for another fellow who was on vacation, and a problem in his department happened at 9am. [07:35] i usually just resort to taking an ss then replacing their desktop with it, and then watch them when they can't click anything [07:35] so he called me -- on my office line -- and left one threatening message after another, which i discovered all at once when i arrived, as usual. [07:36] when he figured out what was up, he decided to yell at me about dress code. that's was it. i joined the darkside. his other IT guy was already there, so we joined forces. :-) [07:37] it was also illuminating to realize that basically every 3rd electronic device is basically a bug waiting to happen. [07:37] sky -- that is an oldie but goodie -- another one is screenshot some horrid porn so they have a "window that won't close.? [07:38] http://tinfoilhat.shmoo.com/ [07:38] this is kinda cool, speaking of a small linux [07:38] that's also a good idea. [07:39] it's really funny to watch them try to cover for it [07:39] "man, you've been working on that spreadsheet all day..." [07:40] i handled the creatives, so we had macs. mac users didn't tend to go "fullscreen" with apps. [07:40] windows users running something fullscreen is pretty much normal. [07:40] so watching mac users try to cover was funny. [07:41] especially apps with lots of modal dialogs, suddenly carefully arrayed in a tapesty to cover god-knows-what. [07:41] that prank was too good. [07:42] hehe [07:43] i assume you've both tried playing VNC tug-of-war with your users, right :-) [07:43] can't say that I have [07:44] that one is fun :-) [07:44] im not in the industry yet, I'd like to be a network admin or DBA [07:44] network admin will have opportunities to dick with people like a mofo :-) [07:44] maybe even systems analysit or security guru [07:45] i can imagine. [07:45] if you're serious: learn networking before you Learn Networking. [07:45] analyst [07:45] i kant sppel [07:45] vnc tug-o-war being? [07:45] you fighting with the user on their computer? [07:45] vnc -- lets you remote control a desktop [07:45] most admins install it to save them from getting up to deal with desktop support [07:46] yeah, i was just asking wha was meant by the tug-o-war part [07:46] virtual networking client right? [07:46] it can be set to more or less allow for surevillance -- not letting them know you're there [07:46] ah, yeah [07:46] and therefore, not letting them know someone else is using their moues and keyboard :L-) [07:46] ja, that's the one [07:46] yes yes, it's fun to hit people while their playing games [07:46] they're* [07:46] or the shift + arrow keys? [07:46] i have it on my pocketpc to control itunes from the porch. :-) [07:46] (too much multi tasking while i clean my room) [07:47] doesn't that flip the window upside down? [07:47] oh hell yeah -- putzing with gamers kicks ass. [07:47] down with cyberslackers! [07:47] i used to have a newton with a scriptable universal remote control [07:48] so for fun, i wrote scripts that would cycle through different makes of television and send "off" [07:48] then i would go to a certain local sports bar during games, and wait for tense moments. [07:48] hehe [07:49] or send change channel for the local pbs station [07:49] poor bar tenders taking the heat for it! [07:49] you sound like my kinda guy [07:49] hey. it said sports bar. that's my sport. [07:49] i picked up a tiny universal remote from www.dealextreme.com [07:49] like 2 bucks and free shipping [07:49] great fun. [07:49] ever seen those casio universal remote ir watches? [07:50] nope [07:50] same thing? [07:50] never changed to many public tv's before it died though [07:50] btw, if you go to a school that relies on a lot of video media presentations, don't forget your universal remote and code book [07:50] got a mcdonald's petty good once though [07:50] do tell! [07:50] just get one that sans [07:50] scans [07:50] mcdeath is a quintessential target. [07:51] well, it had it on cnn, always damn cnn, so i figured i [07:51] d change it [07:51] but since i didn't know the cable channels, i had to rely on the people i was with [07:51] so i ended up on static [07:51] ... porn. [07:51] oh [07:51] even better :-) [07:51] there was a guy i used to run around with... crazy guy. [07:51] then turned the volume up, then because they started laughing, i had to decide to get everyone to leave [07:51] he had been a military radar technician [07:52] er radio [07:52] and he knew the theory well. [07:52] a few employees looked at it and were like "meh, not my problem..." [07:52] they probably preferred that to the tv [07:52] cnn is a 30 minute repeating DJ mix of world misery and stupidity. static sounds better :-) [07:53] anyway, this guy used to use a hamset [07:53] cnn is barely better than fox these days >.> [07:53] and he grabbed a mcdonalds drive thru order box, and separately, the employee headset. [07:53] it never was [07:53] the fact that it once looked somewhat benign is why it was so toxic. [07:53] it's owned by turner anyways.. [07:54] pardon me, i have absolutely no faith whatsoever in commercial or state media to even pretend to tell the truth. [07:54] i'll take turner over murdoch anydays [07:54] i'll take them both on a spit with apples in their mouths. [07:54] Frijolie, that's not saying much [07:54] mmm long-pig [07:55] daniel boone, a us congressman, once threatened to eat any man who did not vote for andrew jackson [07:55] there's a long and patriotic tradition of cannibalism in america. I'd help eat rupert murdoch. :-) [07:55] i was actually just thinking about cannibalism today [07:55] and how humans probably taste pretty decent [07:55] legalize it! [07:56] i've heard it's indistinguishable from pork, and hence called "long-pig' by some. [07:56] of course, i'm a vegitarian, but, i'd make a special exception for any of those guys, just as i make exeptions for the occasional reuben. [07:56] mmm, claireeeeeessseeee [07:57] now it puts the lotion on it's skin, or it gets the hose again! [07:57] now I do love a tasty reuben! [07:57] best reubens on planet earth: madison wisconsin. [07:57] reubens aren't so popular out here on the west coast [07:58] no, they have fat and meat on them. :-) [07:58] they don't have that nasty cole slaw on there do they? just corned beef, sauerkraut, dijon mustard, swiss and rye [07:58] there's kind of a "reuben belt" that starts in the great lakes and sweeps east from the carolinas through delaware. [07:58] I'm from Utah, we don't have much out here as far as culture is concerned [07:59] that's a reuben. [07:59] oh mai. i lived in wyoming for a while. it's similar. [07:59] all the burgers and steaks you could eat. try finding a simple fucking can of artichokes. [07:59] "ye aint from around here, are ye, boy?" [08:00] i'm in portland oregon... we have scenesters, rain, microbreweries, and strip clubs [08:00] "we got peas. are they like peas?" [08:00] !ot [08:00] #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [08:00] (highest per capita in the latter two) [08:00] Big Kahuna Burger? Now I hear they have some tasty burgers! Do you mind if I give it a try? [08:00] ok, sheep, you know anything about audacity freezing when you hit record? [08:01] TheSheep, we're not taking up anyone's precious space [08:01] Ultraputz: no, but check your plugin config in audacity and make sure it uses the alsa backend [08:01] mebbe they log it to the web or something. [08:01] and I was having problems with installing Xubuntu on my Toshiba laptop [08:02] did you get alt install downloaded ? [08:02] DBAN is taking forever! [08:02] Ultraputz: also, you can strace it and see what it freezes at [08:02] yeah i've got it downloaded, just waiting for DBAN [08:03] runtime: 1:34:18 remaining: 1:27:46? [08:05] strace audacity from shell ? [08:06] sheep: is there any kind of oldschool nextstep theme for xfce? :-) [08:06] Ultraputz: yes, the default xfce theme is pretty oldskool [08:07] i mean, NeXTstep [08:07] TheSheep: is it true that XFCE is branded to look like OSX? [08:07] Ultraputz: xfce uses gtk, it can't use nextstep themes [08:07] OSX is trying to catch up to XFCE :-) [08:07] Frijolie: no === TheSheep_ is now known as TheSheep [08:07] so gtk themes would work? [08:08] oh, that reminds me, that default xandros distro with the eee pc, so.. freakin... annoying.. [08:08] Ultraputz: yes [08:09] sky -- check person to person messages :-) [08:09] Ultraputz: you think that the alternate install will fix the problem? [08:09] i see none. [08:09] frij - that'd be the first thing i'd try. [08:09] and the next step if it goes south? [08:09] does the partitioning matter? [08:09] "hey guys, it didn't work, now what?" [08:09] probably :-) [08:10] what have you got set up ? [08:10] hehe [08:10] well I had 1GB for /swap, 10GB for /, and the rest for /home [08:10] but I think i messed it up once because i had the mount point for / as \ [08:11]