[00:55] <Vietnow> I'm having another problem, this time with AWN, when I go to click on another window, it doesn't bring auto focus on to it, it will pop up on my screen but it wont be selected, it makes me click it multiple times to make it the focused window
[00:55] <Vietnow> anyone know have this problem / know how to fix it?
[02:43] <PsynoKhi0> greetings, is anyone here familiar with both xubuntu 7.10 and Puppy Linux?
[02:55] <HeatHawk[LI]> Hey there, I am trying to install a laptop that had ubuntu 6 on it, and when I boot the xubuntu 7 cd, no matter the option I select it drops to the Initramfs prompt
[02:56] <HeatHawk[LI]> Thoughts?
[02:59] <PsynoKhi0> LTS version currently?
[02:59] <HeatHawk[LI]> Thats what was on it ya
[03:00] <PsynoKhi0> I'd updtae as much as I can then pop in the alternate Gutsy
[03:00] <PsynoKhi0> not the LiveCD
[03:01] <HeatHawk[LI]> i dont think that will help the cd work :p
[03:01] <dsmith_> initramfs = busybox??
[03:02] <HeatHawk[LI]> dsmith_, ya, sorry, it is busybox, the prompt is: (initramfs) tho
[03:02] <PsynoKhi0> anyone familiar with both xubuntu and puppy?
[03:02] <dsmith_> HeatHawk[LI]: I have seen that before and I can still figure out why that comes up from time to time
[03:02] <dsmith_> I *cannot
[03:03] <dsmith_> xubuppy linux?
[03:03] <dsmith_> lol
[03:04] <PsynoKhi0> my usb works perfectly in puppy but I can't get it right in xubuntu
[03:05] <dsmith_> fstab?
[03:05] <dsmith_> what does lsusb say?
[03:06] <PsynoKhi0> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:06] <PsynoKhi0> if I plug in an USB key, the device manager sees it but I get no hotplug in xubuntu
[03:07] <PsynoKhi0> so no automont... manual mount = HAL whines after a few seconds and disconnects the key
[03:08] <dsmith_> hmmmmmmmmm
[03:09] <dsmith_> ask on #ubuntu
[03:09] <dsmith_> expert more then me
[03:10] <PsynoKhi0> I've tried changing the grub options to: noapic nolapic pci=routeirq irqpoll... but then my NIC crashes after a few seconds in Firefox, hard reset required
[03:11] <HeatHawk[LI]> dsmith_, do you know if the latest xubuntu kernel employs the new drive naming scheme? sd* instead of hd?
[03:12] <dsmith_> i am not sure
[03:12] <HeatHawk[LI]> because the init script is complaining it cant find /dev/sdb when this is an older ide based laptop, so unless it uses the new scheme, thats a hardcoded error :\
[03:12] <dsmith_> create a bug for it
[06:16] <Ultraputz> hey, running gutsy, trying to get audacity to work. verified that mic (and audio) work through the sound control panel. audacity set for i/o /dev/dsp (OSS), mic selected, and when you hit record... freeze. ALSA donut work. 1.3.3 beta
[06:36] <Frijolie> hola?
[06:37] <Frijolie> a lively bunch tonight?
[06:37] <Ultraputz> indeed.
[06:39] <Frijolie> i can't get xubuntu to install successfully
[06:40] <Ultraputz> that's pretty specific.
[06:40] <Frijolie> on my laptop..hehe sorry I saw that one coming
[06:40] <Ultraputz> ...
[06:40] <Ultraputz> keep going
[06:40] <Frijolie> i load the LiveCD, click on the install icon follow the prompts. it finishes installing, I click on "reboot now"
[06:40] <Frijolie> i'm working on it hang on
[06:41] <Ultraputz> ok :-)
[06:41] <Frijolie> it shuts down, instructs me to remove my CD and press enter. then it restarts and that's it--black screen with a blinking cursor in the top left of screen
[06:42] <Ultraputz> does it show any startup at all?
[06:42] <Frijolie> i leave it for a few minutes, thinking its still loading, and it never wakes up. the HDD light is going like mad but it never wakes
[06:42] <Ultraputz> like, your laptop's startup, etc?
[06:42] <Ultraputz> does it ever say anything about "Grub" ?
[06:42] <Frijolie> yes, I get my manufacturers splash but nothing from xubuntu
[06:42] <Frijolie> yeah it says loading 1.5 or something
[06:42] <Ultraputz> what kind of laptop, how much memory, etc.
[06:42] <Ultraputz> ok
[06:43] <Ultraputz> that tells us that the bootstrap made it
[06:43] <Frijolie> I have a Toshiba Satellite (about 2 years old) 512MB RAM, 40GB HDD, Pentium M proc, intel pro wireless 2200, ati mobile radeon 9600
[06:44] <Ultraputz> hrm.
[06:44] <Frijolie> dunno if my partitions are goofing it up...i manually created them instead of "using the entire disk"
[06:44] <Ultraputz> the first thing that comes to mind to do is try to do the installation from the alternate, rather than the live CD
[06:44] <Ultraputz> the live CD did not work for me.
[06:45] <Ultraputz> however, i have a considerably older and grumpier laptop happily working via the alternate install.
[06:46] <Frijolie> i'm DBANning it right now and will try again. alternate install? I'll look for that on the home page.
[06:46] <Frijolie> i'm interested in trying out VMWares, VirtualBox, Parallels, etc in Xubuntu. Is this possible? I'd like to run a few distro and maybe the "distro" from Redmond, WA
[06:47] <Frijolie> in a VM
[06:47] <Ultraputz> its on the downloads page.
[06:47] <Ultraputz> absolutely
[06:48] <skypiloteee> how do i browse samba shares in xubuntu?
[06:49] <Ultraputz> http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/10/xubuntu-and-browsing-samba-network.html
[06:50] <skypiloteee> thanks
[06:51] <Ultraputz> ( google is your friend :-) )
[06:51] <Frijolie> who's google?
[06:52] <Ultraputz> kinda goofy looking kid, googley eyes, you know
[06:52] <skypiloteee> yeah, i looked around, but found various things, and couldn't decide which to use
[06:52] <Frijolie> hehe...
[06:53] <Frijolie> i like Xubuntu because it doesn't have all that system bloat like Ubuntu does.
[06:53] <Frijolie> they really need to get a handle on that
[06:53] <skypiloteee> i'm running eeexubuntu currently,
[06:53] <Frijolie> huh?
[06:53] <skypiloteee> i'm expecting good things from hardy
[06:53] <skypiloteee> it's xubuntu customized for the eee pc
[06:53] <Ultraputz> he has an eee pc
[06:54] <Frijolie> i read some of the release notes and there doesn't seem like much to upgrade for...
[06:54] <Frijolie> in Hardy
[06:55] <Ultraputz> support for LUKS, etc. is supposed to improve.
[06:55] <skypiloteee> well, hopefully they nail this one down to a nice release, since they've gained a lot of popularity, and it's their chance to really capitalize on it
[06:55] <skypiloteee> pulsaudio
[06:55] <Ultraputz> either of you know anything about audio /
[06:56] <Ultraputz> er audio under gutsy ?
[06:56] <skypiloteee> in linux? no, i'm just happy when i get it to work.
[06:56] <Ultraputz> everything is working except audacity
[06:56] <Ultraputz> mic plays through, etc, but when i hit record, audacity takes a shit. totally freezes.
[06:56] <Ultraputz> er mic playus through control panel
[06:57] <Frijolie> i'm definately not an audio guy
[06:58] <Frijolie> skypiloteee: does your webcam work with that machine? my laptop has a built-in webcam as well but I've never been able to get it to work
[06:58] <Ultraputz> this is my first serious roll with linux in about 8 years.
[06:58] <Ultraputz> last time around, i had a slackware box serving as an automation server.
[06:58] <Frijolie> I've been Linux exclusive for about 6 months
[06:58] <skypiloteee> the eee pc webcam works flawlessly.
[06:58] <Ultraputz> been a bsd/openstep/osx guy too damned long, lost track.
[06:58] <Frijolie> Ultraputz: i've been wanting to try Slackware
[06:59] <skypiloteee> everyone thinks this thing is worth more than it is
[06:59] <skypiloteee> they always assume it's expensive
[06:59] <Ultraputz> they're like $400 usd , ja ?
[06:59] <Frijolie> Ultraputz: never tried BSD, that's another I'd like to mess with. I see a lot of similarities in XFCE and OSX
[06:59] <Ultraputz> "it's the thinking man's macbook air."
[06:59] <skypiloteee> $300 for the base 2g model
[06:59] <skypiloteee> $400 for the 4g
[07:00] <Frijolie> 4GB? What can you put on that HDD? 2 OOo docs?
[07:00] <skypiloteee> SDHC slot takes care of most storage needs
[07:00] <skypiloteee> also, i just freshly installed xubuntu and a couple of apps, and currently at....
[07:00] <Frijolie> does it have a USB port to attach an external drive?
[07:01] <skypiloteee> 3 usb ports, and an SDHC slot (SD high capacity, so like 8-16gb)
[07:01] <skypiloteee> and that sits almost flush in it
[07:01] <skypiloteee> the reason it's 4gb is because it's a solid state drive, not your typical hard drive
[07:02] <Ultraputz> frijolie -- my largest complaint with most unixen on the desktop is x windows
[07:02] <skypiloteee> i have 1.6gb free
[07:02] <Frijolie> skypiloteee: solid state = mini stone tablet?
[07:02] <Ultraputz> frij - no hdd
[07:02] <Ultraputz> static memory
[07:02] <Ultraputz> like the big air
[07:02] <skypiloteee> imagine a usb flash drive, but faster, as your hard drive
[07:03] <Frijolie> i was kidding
[07:03] <skypiloteee> heh
[07:03] <Ultraputz> <- stoned, a little dense.
[07:03] <Ultraputz> :-)
[07:03] <Frijolie> I'd like to experiment with a bootable USB distro
[07:03] <Ultraputz> btw, funny from main ubuntu channel "does anyone know why sound would not work after I upgraded to ubuntu studio 7.10 from gutsy?"
[07:03] <Ultraputz> DSL
[07:04] <Ultraputz> Damn Small Linux
[07:04] <skypiloteee> eeexubuntu actually lets you boot off usb, has the usb boot maker thing in it actually
[07:04] <Ultraputz> I'm setting up this machine to take with me. I'm going to do some travelling for the next year or so, and I want something I can use to keep in touch with people.
[07:04] <Frijolie> I've heard of that one before...is it all CLI?
[07:04] <Ultraputz> and to write with, of course.
[07:05] <Ultraputz> DSL is just a definition of a linux that's useful embedded.
[07:05] <Ultraputz> it can have a GUI, but typically does not.
[07:05] <Ultraputz> however, it would certainly not be x-windows based.
[07:05] <Frijolie> I think they've got it down to a few MB don't they?
[07:05] <skypiloteee> dsl? it's like 55mb
[07:06] <Ultraputz> some very simplified kernals can run in small spaces.
[07:06] <Ultraputz> if you're interested in small, look up the L4/fiasco kernal.
[07:06] <Frijolie> .rpm, .deb, .tar.gz, or binary?
[07:06] <Ultraputz> binary, of course.
[07:07] <Ultraputz> l4/fiasco is really impressive and tiny. If you want to roll your own operating system, there's the magic fairy dust.
[07:07] <Frijolie> I would like to use them at school, but I'm sure booting to USB requires administrator account right?
[07:07] <Ultraputz> depends on the machine
[07:07] <Ultraputz> and how it's set
[07:07] <Frijolie> don't you have to get into the CMOS and allow USB boot and change the boot order?
[07:07] <Ultraputz> if they're stupid (and many are) if usb has priority over hdd for boot, then it will go.
[07:08] <Ultraputz> that's typically not hard, again, because most admins are pretty stupid.
[07:08] <Frijolie> that would leave them wide open for viruses, trojans, malware, etc
[07:08] <Frijolie> specially on a windoze box
[07:08] <skypiloteee> hence why he said that most of them are stupid
[07:09] <Frijolie> understood
[07:09] <Ultraputz> we begin with the part where they're running windows -- if you're running windows, then having a virus-free environment is obviously not a high priority.
[07:09] <Frijolie> most campus admins are just rent-an-admin anyways. Mostly students doing "work studies"
[07:09] <Frijolie> don't really care what they have to do to get tuition waivers
[07:10] <Ultraputz> then we move on to the part that most institutional systems are managed by Certified techs/admins. This is different from experience, and tends to produce monstrous and stupid problems.
[07:10] <Ultraputz> ja
[07:10] <Ultraputz> or in the US, they're basically highly paid phone support that graduated from the telephone.
[07:10] <Ultraputz> little worker bees.
[07:10] <Frijolie> amen
[07:11] <Ultraputz> i left the industry proper  a few years ago
[07:11] <Frijolie> I'm taking a computer security class and they did a demo of a bootable distro called BackTrack. Have you heard of that one?
[07:11] <Ultraputz> still do some freelance coding here and there.
[07:11] <Ultraputz> nope. I've seen all kinds though. My favorite of the 1.44 OSes is QNX
[07:11] <Ultraputz> it's unix-like and has good real-time support.
[07:12] <Ultraputz> and a much lighter and smarter GUI system than x-windows that's network-retargetable. you can literally drag a window from one computer to another :-)
[07:12] <Ultraputz> well, under certain circumstances.
[07:12] <Ultraputz> :-)
[07:12] <Frijolie> BackTrack is designed to be a system penetration tester. It's amazing how many tools are out there for the "bad guys"
[07:13] <Frijolie> Never heard of QNX.
[07:13] <Ultraputz> I'm trying to catch up in my education on wireless security
[07:13]  * Ultraputz discovered kismet
[07:13] <Ultraputz> that's pretty sweet.
[07:15] <skypiloteee> that reminds me, i was gonna go find how to crack wep, so if i ever absolutely need internet access on the road...
[07:15] <Ultraputz> kismet is a part of that equation :-)
[07:15] <Ultraputz> that's precisely my circumstances. i'll have, at least for a while, a vehicle.
[07:16] <Ultraputz> apparently, the most important thing is to have a wireless card that can do a little more than simply connect.
[07:16] <Ultraputz> some of them allow a kind of passive monitoring to detect passive networks by scanning for traffic
[07:16] <Frijolie> I've heard WPA/WPA2 isn't all that difficult to crack either
[07:16] <Ultraputz> i've not heard, but i'd like to know more.
[07:17] <skypiloteee> i've heard that cracking a decently strong WPA should take a considerable amount of time
[07:17] <Frijolie> where I am 80% have open networks anyway so there's no crackin to be done
[07:17] <Frijolie> oh the ignorance
[07:17] <Ultraputz> here at the house, i quit worrying about it. I put a bandwidth choke on the firewall machine to a cheap little wifi router, and without the proper mac address, it doesn't give you a useful dns server, and it blocks the local ISP dns servers (preferring the local cache)
[07:17] <Ultraputz> this way, it just seems to be problematic, and suggests you move along :-)
[07:18] <skypiloteee> wonder how the wireless in the eee pc will work for wep cracking
[07:18] <Frijolie> MAC filtering is worthless just like WEP
[07:18] <Ultraputz> what kinda slots that bug got?
[07:18] <Ultraputz> yes, but this is passive.
[07:18] <Ultraputz> it is not an exlcusive filter
[07:19] <Ultraputz> it uses my mac to know to give me the correct DNS server.
[07:19] <Ultraputz> and the firewall box blocks access to the other dns servers.
[07:19] <Ultraputz> at least, locally known ones
[07:19] <Ultraputz> so that rather than appearing to be 'guarded', it appears to be a fucked up configuration
[07:19] <Ultraputz> so people don't sit on it.
[07:20] <Ultraputz> i live right next to a public park, and I can say that WEP does not cover your butt :-)
[07:20] <Ultraputz> http://wepcrack.sourceforge.net/
[07:20] <Ultraputz> (btw)
[07:22] <Frijolie> ah, kimset does intrusion detection?
[07:23] <Ultraputz> kismet. among others.
[07:23] <Frijolie> i've got cable internet and have always been tempted to do a little "sniffin"
[07:25] <skypiloteee> there are various unprotected wireless networks at my uni
[07:25] <skypiloteee> if you sniff around, you can find some interesting things in the network shares
[07:26] <Frijolie> that's what I was talking about..."Naughty Babysitter 9" etc
[07:26] <Ultraputz> oh man.
[07:27] <Ultraputz> there's no end to crazy shit you'll see watching network traffic
[07:27] <Ultraputz> just watch filesharing search requests.
[07:27] <Frijolie> can sniffers reconstruct the packets?
[07:27] <Ultraputz> of course
[07:27] <Frijolie> huh? no way!
[07:28] <Ultraputz> it's not difficult at all.
[07:28] <Frijolie> that's interesting
[07:28] <Ultraputz> some things are harder to use than others
[07:28] <Ultraputz> like various binary data streams
[07:28] <Frijolie> wireshark a good one?
[07:28] <Ultraputz> but basic cleartext...
[07:28] <Ultraputz> wireshark is pretty much a standard tool in the belt, ja.
[07:29] <Ultraputz> also read up about cable modems and networking.
[07:29] <Ultraputz> sometimes your neighbors are easy to see :-)
[07:29] <Frijolie> i'm behind a NAT router, will that complicate things?
[07:29] <Ultraputz> you've got some homework to do :-)
[07:29] <Frijolie> right now there's 9/11 wireless networks that have no security
[07:30] <Ultraputz> nevermind the alphabet soup -- networking is not terribly complicated. it's a good to have a basic orientation with theory, rather than have memorized a bunch of procedures relating to the front-end.
[07:30] <Frijolie> and a print server?
[07:30] <Ultraputz> a lot of wireless printers
[07:30] <Ultraputz> they act as a sort of access point, like an airport express
[07:30] <Frijolie> an entry point?
[07:30] <Ultraputz> you'd have to read up on the specific devices.
[07:31] <Ultraputz> but it would be fun to print random things on other people's printers.
[07:31] <skypiloteee> goatse anyone?
[07:31] <Ultraputz> 72 point type: "you need to study network security. -evildoer666"
[07:31] <Frijolie> hehe, like those old fax spam messages of old
[07:31] <Ultraputz> one of the most spectacular gifts i received was from a friend who was a xerox technician
[07:31] <Ultraputz> xerox docucenters are huge copiers.
[07:32] <Ultraputz> well, more like "micro printing plants"
[07:32] <Ultraputz> but they're not old electromechanical copiers.
[07:32] <Ultraputz> they're high speed laser printers and scanners.
[07:32] <Ultraputz> ... tied together with predictable hardware.
[07:32] <Ultraputz> in short, suns.
[07:32] <Ultraputz> and they all have the same default password.
[07:32] <Ultraputz> for the technician to maintain them
[07:32] <Ultraputz> yet they sit on a network, and they're running a friendly unix.
[07:33] <Ultraputz> when i worked at certain midwestern university, one of my schadenfreude was running an old text-based MUD off of another department's docucenter
[07:33] <Ultraputz> and occasionally looking through their faxes, or randomly inserting things into their print cue.
[07:33] <Ultraputz> er queue
[07:34] <Ultraputz> at one point, our department was embroiled in a lot of heat due to the firing of bobby knight
[07:34] <Frijolie> hehe
[07:34] <Ultraputz> the vice president was constantly sweating
[07:34] <Frijolie> don't mess with the IT guy
[07:34] <Ultraputz> so we backoriface'd his machine, and would turn on and stream his mic to listen in, and grab the renderings from his fax-printer.
[07:34] <Ultraputz> he was a chode.
[07:35] <Ultraputz> i had fairly late hours, noon to 8. One day, i was a proxy for another fellow who was on vacation, and a problem in his department happened at 9am.
[07:35] <skypiloteee> i usually just resort to taking an ss then replacing their desktop with it, and then watch them when they can't click anything
[07:35] <Ultraputz> so he called me -- on my office line -- and left one threatening message after another, which i discovered all at once when i arrived, as usual.
[07:36] <Ultraputz> when he figured out what was up, he decided to yell at me about dress code. that's was it. i joined the darkside. his other IT guy was already there, so we joined forces. :-)
[07:37] <Ultraputz> it was also illuminating to realize that basically every 3rd electronic device is basically a bug waiting to happen.
[07:37] <Ultraputz> sky -- that is an oldie but goodie -- another one is screenshot some horrid porn so they have a "window that won't close.?
[07:38] <Ultraputz> http://tinfoilhat.shmoo.com/
[07:38] <Ultraputz> this is kinda cool, speaking of a small linux
[07:38] <skypiloteee> that's also a good idea.
[07:39] <Ultraputz> it's really funny to watch them try to cover for it
[07:39] <Ultraputz> "man, you've been working on that spreadsheet all day..."
[07:40] <Ultraputz> i handled the creatives, so we had macs. mac users didn't tend to go "fullscreen" with apps.
[07:40] <Ultraputz> windows users running something fullscreen is pretty much normal.
[07:40] <Ultraputz> so watching mac users try to cover was funny.
[07:41] <Ultraputz> especially apps with lots of modal dialogs, suddenly carefully arrayed in a tapesty to cover god-knows-what.
[07:41] <Ultraputz> that prank was too good.
[07:42] <Frijolie> hehe
[07:43] <Ultraputz> i assume you've both tried playing VNC tug-of-war with your users, right :-)
[07:43] <Frijolie> can't say that I have
[07:44] <Ultraputz> that one is fun :-)
[07:44] <Frijolie> im not in the industry yet, I'd like to be a network admin or DBA
[07:44] <Ultraputz> network  admin will have opportunities to dick with people like a mofo :-)
[07:44] <Frijolie> maybe even systems analysit or security guru
[07:45] <Frijolie> i can imagine.
[07:45] <Ultraputz> if you're serious: learn networking before you Learn Networking.
[07:45] <Frijolie> analyst
[07:45] <Frijolie> i kant sppel
[07:45] <skypiloteee> vnc tug-o-war being?
[07:45] <skypiloteee> you fighting with the user on their computer?
[07:45] <Ultraputz> vnc -- lets you remote control a desktop
[07:45] <Ultraputz> most admins install it to save them from getting up to deal with desktop support
[07:46] <skypiloteee> yeah, i was just asking wha was meant by the tug-o-war part
[07:46] <Frijolie> virtual networking client right?
[07:46] <Ultraputz> it can be set to more or less allow for surevillance -- not letting them know you're there
[07:46] <skypiloteee> ah, yeah
[07:46] <Ultraputz> and therefore, not letting them know someone else is using their moues and keyboard :L-)
[07:46] <Ultraputz> ja, that's the one
[07:46] <skypiloteee> yes yes, it's fun to hit people while their playing games
[07:46] <skypiloteee> they're*
[07:46] <Frijolie> or the shift + arrow keys?
[07:46] <Ultraputz> i have it on my pocketpc to control itunes from the porch. :-)
[07:46] <skypiloteee> (too much multi tasking while i clean my room)
[07:47] <Frijolie> doesn't that flip the window upside down?
[07:47] <Ultraputz> oh hell yeah -- putzing with gamers kicks ass.
[07:47] <Frijolie> down with cyberslackers!
[07:47] <Ultraputz> i used to have a newton with a scriptable universal remote control
[07:48] <Ultraputz> so for fun, i wrote scripts that would cycle through different makes of television and send "off"
[07:48] <Ultraputz> then i would go to a certain local sports bar during games, and wait for tense moments.
[07:48] <Frijolie> hehe
[07:49] <Ultraputz> or send change channel for the local pbs station
[07:49] <Frijolie> poor bar tenders taking the heat for it!
[07:49] <Frijolie> you sound like my kinda guy
[07:49] <Ultraputz> hey. it said sports bar. that's my sport.
[07:49] <skypiloteee> i picked up a tiny universal remote from www.dealextreme.com
[07:49] <skypiloteee> like 2 bucks and free shipping
[07:49] <skypiloteee> great fun.
[07:49] <Ultraputz> ever seen those casio universal remote ir watches?
[07:50] <Frijolie> nope
[07:50] <Frijolie> same thing?
[07:50] <skypiloteee> never changed to many public tv's before it died though
[07:50] <Ultraputz> btw, if you go to a school that relies on a lot of video media presentations, don't forget your universal remote and code book
[07:50] <skypiloteee> got a mcdonald's petty good once though
[07:50] <Ultraputz> do tell!
[07:50] <skypiloteee> just get one that sans
[07:50] <skypiloteee> scans
[07:50] <Ultraputz> mcdeath is a quintessential target.
[07:51] <skypiloteee> well, it had it on cnn, always damn cnn, so i figured i
[07:51] <skypiloteee> d change it
[07:51] <skypiloteee> but since i didn't know the cable channels, i had to rely on the people i was with
[07:51] <skypiloteee> so i ended up on static
[07:51] <Ultraputz> ... porn.
[07:51] <Ultraputz> oh
[07:51] <Ultraputz> even better :-)
[07:51] <Ultraputz> there was a guy i used to run around with... crazy guy.
[07:51] <skypiloteee> then turned the volume up, then because they started laughing, i had to decide to get everyone to leave
[07:51] <Ultraputz> he had been a military radar technician
[07:52] <Ultraputz> er radio
[07:52] <Ultraputz> and he knew the theory well.
[07:52] <skypiloteee> a few employees looked at it and were like "meh, not my problem..."
[07:52] <Ultraputz> they probably preferred that to the tv
[07:52] <Ultraputz> cnn is a 30 minute repeating DJ mix of world misery and stupidity. static sounds better :-)
[07:53] <Ultraputz> anyway, this guy used to use a hamset
[07:53] <skypiloteee> cnn is barely better than fox these days >.>
[07:53] <Ultraputz> and he grabbed a mcdonalds drive thru order box, and separately, the employee headset.
[07:53] <Ultraputz> it never was
[07:53] <Ultraputz> the fact that it once looked somewhat benign is why it was so toxic.
[07:53] <skypiloteee> it's owned by turner anyways..
[07:54] <Ultraputz> pardon me, i have absolutely no faith whatsoever in commercial or state media to even pretend to tell the truth.
[07:54] <Frijolie>  i'll take turner over murdoch anydays
[07:54] <Ultraputz> i'll take them both on a spit with apples in their mouths.
[07:54] <skypiloteee> Frijolie, that's not saying much
[07:54] <Ultraputz> mmm long-pig
[07:55] <Ultraputz> daniel boone, a us congressman, once threatened to eat any man who did not vote for andrew jackson
[07:55] <Ultraputz> there's a long and patriotic tradition of cannibalism in america. I'd help eat rupert murdoch. :-)
[07:55] <skypiloteee> i was actually just thinking about cannibalism today
[07:55] <skypiloteee> and how humans probably taste pretty decent
[07:55] <Ultraputz> legalize it!
[07:56] <Ultraputz> i've heard it's indistinguishable from pork, and hence called "long-pig' by some.
[07:56] <Ultraputz> of course, i'm a vegitarian, but, i'd make a special exception for any of those guys, just as i make exeptions for the occasional reuben.
[07:56] <Frijolie> mmm, claireeeeeessseeee
[07:57] <Ultraputz> now it puts the lotion on it's skin, or it gets the hose again!
[07:57] <Frijolie> now I do love a tasty reuben!
[07:57] <Ultraputz> best reubens on planet earth: madison wisconsin.
[07:57] <skypiloteee> reubens aren't so popular out here on the west coast
[07:58] <Ultraputz> no, they have fat and meat on them. :-)
[07:58] <Frijolie> they don't have that nasty cole slaw on there do they? just corned beef, sauerkraut, dijon mustard, swiss and rye
[07:58] <Ultraputz> there's kind of a "reuben belt" that starts in the great lakes and sweeps east from the carolinas through delaware.
[07:58] <Frijolie> I'm from Utah, we don't have much out here as far as culture is concerned
[07:59] <Ultraputz> that's a reuben.
[07:59] <Ultraputz> oh mai. i lived in wyoming for a while. it's similar.
[07:59] <Ultraputz> all the burgers and steaks you could eat. try finding a simple fucking can of artichokes.
[07:59] <Ultraputz> "ye aint from around here, are ye, boy?"
[08:00] <skypiloteee> i'm in portland oregon... we have scenesters, rain, microbreweries, and strip clubs
[08:00] <Ultraputz> "we got peas. are they like peas?"
[08:00] <TheSheep_> !ot
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[08:00] <skypiloteee> (highest per capita in the latter two)
[08:00] <Frijolie> Big Kahuna Burger? Now I hear they have some tasty burgers! Do you mind if I give it a try?
[08:00] <Ultraputz> ok, sheep, you know anything about audacity freezing when you hit record?
[08:01] <Frijolie> TheSheep, we're not taking up anyone's precious space
[08:01] <TheSheep_> Ultraputz: no, but check your plugin config in audacity and make sure it uses the alsa backend
[08:01] <Ultraputz> mebbe they log it to the web or something.
[08:01] <Frijolie> and I was having problems with installing Xubuntu on my Toshiba laptop
[08:02] <Ultraputz> did you get alt install downloaded ?
[08:02] <Frijolie> DBAN is taking forever!
[08:02] <TheSheep_> Ultraputz: also, you can strace it and see what it freezes at
[08:02] <Frijolie> yeah i've got it downloaded, just waiting for DBAN
[08:03] <Frijolie> runtime: 1:34:18   remaining: 1:27:46?
[08:05] <Ultraputz> strace audacity from shell ?
[08:06] <Ultraputz> sheep: is there any kind of oldschool nextstep theme for xfce? :-)
[08:06] <TheSheep_> Ultraputz: yes, the default xfce theme is pretty oldskool
[08:07] <Ultraputz> i mean, NeXTstep
[08:07] <Frijolie> TheSheep: is it true that XFCE is branded to look like OSX?
[08:07] <TheSheep_> Ultraputz: xfce uses gtk, it can't use nextstep themes
[08:07] <Ultraputz> OSX is trying to catch up to XFCE :-)
[08:07] <TheSheep_> Frijolie: no
[08:07] <Ultraputz> so gtk themes would work?
[08:08] <skypiloteee> oh, that reminds me, that default xandros distro with the eee pc, so.. freakin... annoying..
[08:08] <TheSheep> Ultraputz: yes
[08:09] <Ultraputz> sky -- check person to person messages :-)
[08:09] <Frijolie> Ultraputz: you think that the alternate install will fix the problem?
[08:09] <skypiloteee> i see none.
[08:09] <Ultraputz> frij - that'd be the first thing i'd try.
[08:09] <Frijolie> and the next step if it goes south?
[08:09] <Frijolie> does the partitioning matter?
[08:09] <Ultraputz> "hey guys, it didn't work, now what?"
[08:09] <Ultraputz> probably :-)
[08:10] <Ultraputz> what have you got set up ?
[08:10] <Frijolie> hehe
[08:10] <Frijolie> well I had 1GB for /swap, 10GB for /, and the rest for /home
[08:10] <Frijolie> but I think i messed it up once because i had the mount point for / as \
[08:11] <Ultraputz> erm...
[08:11] <Ultraputz> can you get the partitioning utility up?
[08:11] <Ultraputz> with the livecd?
[08:11] <Ultraputz> take a look and see what you got ?
[08:11] <Frijolie> not now, unless it's safe to stop DBAN in the middle
[08:12] <Frijolie> i realized my mistake and then quickly went through the install again and it hasn't been the same since
[08:12] <skypiloteee> Ultraputz, i never got any private messages.
[08:12] <Ultraputz> i don't suspect it would be an issue
[08:12] <Ultraputz> skypiloteee -- then something is screwey
[08:13] <Frijolie> however, i did notice that it kept mounting each partition on my desktop when using the liveCD. is it supposed to do that?
[08:13] <Ultraputz> i didn't want to breech the OT rule to ask about the eee pc, as in, how is the keyboard, is it good as a writing tool, or ?
[08:13] <skypiloteee> the keyboard was my original worry, since it's a bit smaller than a normal keyboard
[08:13] <Frijolie> !ot
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[08:13] <Ultraputz> i honestly don't know...
[08:13] <Frijolie> hehe
[08:13] <skypiloteee> you adjust to the keyboard in like 20 min - 1hr
[08:14] <skypiloteee> i don't have big hands, but it hasn't really been an issue
[08:14] <Ultraputz> i used livecd a few months ago with no trouble, but when i did this laptop, it only had a 64 meg stick, so i had to use alt.
[08:14] <Ultraputz> i have Hands, but i like tiny keyboards. my concern is about touch and it's tactile.
[08:14] <skypiloteee> i have a friend with fairly big hands who reported no problems using his eee pc
[08:14] <Frijolie> I have to say that the liveCD for Xubuntu loaded up a lot faster then the Ubuntu one. lighter on the system resources?
[08:14] <skypiloteee> oh, it's just like any other laptop keyboard
[08:14] <Ultraputz> excellent
[08:15] <Ultraputz> a lot
[08:15] <Ultraputz> XFCE compared to gnome
[08:15] <Ultraputz> gnome is a pig
[08:15] <skypiloteee> a few things are in different places, just from size constraints
[08:15] <Ultraputz> so is kde
[08:15] <skypiloteee> but again, you get used to it
[08:16] <skypiloteee> just don't expect to have the eee pc be your home use thing
[08:16] <skypiloteee> it's really best when you are out and about
[08:16] <Frijolie> you know of anyone that is a CLI mad(man/woman)?
[08:16] <Ultraputz> i'm gonna be on the road for the foreseeable future.
[08:16] <skypiloteee> if you buy it for that purpose, you'll love it
[08:17] <Ultraputz> make with the question, frijolie :-)
[08:17] <Frijolie> meaning no GUI OS..all from CL
[08:17] <skypiloteee> i use it for taking notes in class, and doing things at my uni
[08:17] <Ultraputz> ja
[08:17] <Frijolie> other than server...i'm talking end user desktop environment
[08:17] <Ultraputz> ja
[08:17]  * Ultraputz owned a commodore 64 :-)
[08:17] <Frijolie> whoa! that's hardcore
[08:17] <Frijolie> well now-a-days
[08:17]  * Ultraputz owned a unix sys 3 machine, too
[08:18] <Frijolie> i had an 8086
[08:18] <Ultraputz> so did all of the other kids whos parents hated them :-)
[08:18] <Frijolie> i used to think pong was cool
[08:19] <Frijolie> it got me all the chicks back in elementary
[08:19] <Ultraputz> was there a question about cli ?
[08:19] <Ultraputz> or shell ?
[08:19] <Frijolie> oh yeah, uh..
[08:19] <Frijolie> what's a good resource to polish my CLI skillz
[08:19] <Ultraputz> use :-)
[08:20] <Ultraputz> i'd start by learning to do sh scripts
[08:20] <Ultraputz> and then learn to do bash scripting
[08:20] <Frijolie> what's the difference?
[08:20] <Ultraputz> every unix box has sh
[08:20] <Frijolie> bash is a shell isn't it?
[08:20] <Ultraputz> not every unix box has bash
[08:20] <Ultraputz> both are shells
[08:21] <Frijolie> i was trying to think up where I could use a shell script so I could practice? cron jobs?
[08:21] <Ultraputz> the shell is the text-based interface that lets you tell unix what to do. GUIs are another, typically less powerful abstraction of the same.
[08:21] <Ultraputz> frankly, a mad hobby is the best source
[08:21] <Ultraputz> just creating a lot of tedious problems for yourself to solve.
[08:21] <Ultraputz> in my case, it was x10 crap
[08:22] <Ultraputz> home automation
[08:22] <Frijolie> the installation of an application (wget, alien to convert form .rpm to .deb) etc?
[08:22] <Ultraputz> scripting things together in clever ways
[08:22] <Ultraputz> no, man, make a star trek computer.
[08:22] <Ultraputz> something talks, turns on the lights, reads your email subjects to you
[08:23] <Ultraputz> script it all together from pieces.
[08:23] <Ultraputz> that's how you learn to script :-)
[08:23] <Frijolie> i'm still a noob when it comes to programming/scripting..i worship the scriptkiddies
[08:23] <Ultraputz> forget all that
[08:24] <Ultraputz> just find something cool you want your computer to do
[08:24] <Ultraputz> and then kick and scream until it does it.
[08:24] <skypiloteee> ^doesn't work.
[08:24] <Ultraputz> ?
[08:24] <Frijolie> and script it in emacs or vi?
[08:24]  * Ultraputz set up festival to read rss headlines when they come in
[08:25] <Ultraputz> whatever you want to use.
[08:25] <Ultraputz> a lot of noobs like nano
[08:25] <Ultraputz> i like emacs. it's not just a text-editor, emacs itself is scriptable in a lisp-like dialect.
[08:25] <Frijolie> i do like gEdit (speaking from Ubuntu experience)
[08:26] <Ultraputz> emacs can be used to read email, browse the web, read nntp news and prolly rss too
[08:26] <Ultraputz> some people have called it a text editor with delusions of operating system.
[08:26] <TheSheep> it's an operating system with delusions of a text editor
[08:26] <Frijolie> i just don't like the terminal look-n-feel of either
[08:26] <Ultraputz> then you could always write your own :-)
[08:27] <skypiloteee> but then what would he write it in?
[08:27] <Ultraputz> oooh, paradox
[08:27] <TheSheep> gedit is pretty good, scite is good too
[08:27] <Ultraputz> could just echo straight to a file
[08:27] <Ultraputz> echo "int main() {" >> beanedit.c
[08:27] <Frijolie> ive written a little java in gEdit
[08:28] <TheSheep> oh, for java use Eclipse
[08:28] <TheSheep> that's the java way
[08:28] <Ultraputz> i wish someone would port golded from the amiga. failing that, what's close to bbedit on the mac and doesn't require kde or gnome ?
[08:29] <Ultraputz> re: dban: i can't imagine interrupting it would hurt antyhnig, but i don't know.
[08:29] <Frijolie> Emacs vs Vi, Eclipse vs NetBeans, KDE vs GNOME, BSD vs Linux, Linux vs GNU/Linux, Rhythmbox vs Banshee
[08:31] <Frijolie> DBAN is 76.81% complete round 1 of 1, pass 3 of 3 and "blanking"
[08:31] <Ultraputz> vs mpg123
[08:31] <Ultraputz> egads dude
[08:31] <Ultraputz> fdisk :-)
[08:31] <Frijolie> HD-DVD vs --errr- Blu-Ray
[08:32] <Ultraputz> how about VLC-DIVX-TPB :-)
[08:32] <Ultraputz> thats the future media standard! :-)
[08:32] <Frijolie> I had some financial data on the HDD I wanted to obliterate, hence DBAN
[08:32] <Ultraputz> aha
[08:32] <Ultraputz> sounds like a man in need of coffee.
[08:33] <skypiloteee> the geek squad utility cd is actually quite useful on windows computers.
[08:33] <skypiloteee> anyways, time to sleep, gnight.
[08:33] <Frijolie> my bro used to be a geek squad emp and still uses it today
[08:33] <Frijolie> later skypilot
[08:34] <Ultraputz> later
[08:34] <Frijolie> this laptop that I'm using now has a built-in HD-DVD drive
[08:34] <Ultraputz> sheep -- where's the plugins menu? perhaps i'm blind, but i'm totally not seeing it.
[08:41] <Frijolie> anyone try a VM?
[08:42] <Ultraputz> on my brother's imac
[08:43]  * Ultraputz works great
[08:43] <Ultraputz> Thesheep -- where is the plugin manager for audacity, do you know ?
[08:43] <Frijolie> TheSheep is asleep
[08:43] <Ultraputz> or perhaps busy :-)
[08:43] <Frijolie> ive heard good things about both VMware and Virtualbox
[08:43] <Ultraputz> we used vmware
[08:44] <Frijolie> is it a pain to set up multi-boot with a bunch of OSes?
[08:44]  * Ultraputz worked fine for us.
[08:44] <Ultraputz> additionally, a friend mine built a "mac compatible" on appropriate pc hardware w/ vmware.
[08:45] <Ultraputz> so he had mac/windows and athenos
[08:45] <Ultraputz> or whatever that weird amigaos derivative is that he loves so dearly.
[08:45] <Frijolie> ah..you guys are hardcore geeks/computer-files. I'm jealous
[08:46] <Frijolie> i can't say that I've accomplished 1/18th what you've already done
[08:46] <Ultraputz> when it's time to have an actual house/home, i'm going to build a new system. and by system i don't mean machine, but set of machines. if this machine works out, i think ubuntu may be the foundation.
[08:46] <Ultraputz> hrm.
[08:47]  * Ultraputz crosses his fingers, think maybe fixed sound.
[08:47] <Ultraputz> there are mini-itx systems that run fanless at 1.2ghz
[08:47] <Ultraputz> that's basically a mac mini
[08:48] <Frijolie> why doesn't any of the flavors of *buntu offer package selection at installation?
[08:48] <Ultraputz> you can get there with alternate, i think
[08:48] <Frijolie> or minimal-install
[08:49] <Frijolie> minimal-install = cli server?
[08:49] <Ultraputz> depends on whether their minimal install includes x or not
[08:49] <Ultraputz> i would assume not
[08:49] <Frijolie> generally do they?
[08:49] <Ultraputz> generally they do not, but i can't speak specifically to ubuntu
[08:50] <Frijolie> i wish they had a minimal gui install.
[08:50] <Ultraputz> i know that custom builds can be made, just haven't looked at the specifics.
[08:50] <Ultraputz> you need to let go of the gui :-)
[08:50] <Ultraputz> they rot your brain :-)
[08:50] <Frijolie> i wouldn't mind apt-getting the rest
[08:51] <PeckaH> you can apt-get the gui and the rest
[08:51] <Frijolie> i can't imagine reading rss or email via cli
[08:51] <Ultraputz> it ws a big shock to me to realize a lot of the people who are programmers now, professionally, grew up in a world where they never really used a command line for anything, and never coded without a gui-based editor like xcode or visualstudio. that is too freaky.
[08:51] <Ultraputz> it works pretty well
[08:52] <Ultraputz> i used a text-based mailreader from 1987 through 1998.
[08:52] <Frijolie> PeckaH: yeah, Id like an install CD that just had the basic, basic, basic bootable os + x. I would choose the other packages after i get a working OS on my own
[08:52] <Ultraputz> from '91 onward, i had a NeXT, so there was graphical mail there.
[08:53] <Ultraputz> the thing is, that's not all that minimal, it's kind of a contradiction
[08:53] <Ultraputz> most of the gui packages are in turn built on other packages
[08:53] <Ultraputz> you can't show text without a text renderer, a text render needs a graphics and maths library, and of course, fonts, etc.
[08:53] <Ultraputz> so you have this big tree of dependencies that makes it anything but "minimal."
[08:53] <Frijolie> thats true
[08:54] <Ultraputz> APT is a tool that makes package management possible for mere mortals due to the sheer complexity of the dependancy tree.
[08:54] <Frijolie> i guess i mean "minimal" in a sense of getting rid of all this bloat you never use
[08:55] <Ultraputz> the moment you install x and "basic apps," say hello to bloat.
[08:55] <Ultraputz> the basic apps ARE bloated.
[08:55] <Frijolie> e.g. I don't have bluetooth on my laptop, however Ubuntu decided to bundle it so I have two apps that allow me to connect via bluetooth
[08:55] <Ultraputz> more and more of the key apps are becoming semi-commercial projects -- that is to say, commerical in all but name and license, like mozilla.
[08:56] <Ultraputz> they have to be because of their own sprawling complexity.
[08:56] <Ultraputz> sure, but would you rather that that you had to manually set up your networking just to get started?
[08:56] <Ultraputz> if so, there are linux distros for you :-)
[08:56] <Frijolie> orca, xsane, EVOLUTION, rhythmbox, cdparanoia, recording level monitor, gnomce-games, gnome-pilot, et
[08:57] <Ultraputz> someone has to pick and choose. ubuntu desktop is built to be braindead easy, or as close to that as possible
[08:57] <Ultraputz> it's what you pick when you don't want to mess with it and just want it to work
[08:57] <Frijolie> yeah, the solution that works for the majority of the population
[08:57] <Ultraputz> if you want to be able to pick and choose and needle every little detail, there are plenty of distros for you
[08:57] <Frijolie> just wish there was a way to tailor it to your specific needs. I guess theres a better distro out there for me.
[08:58] <Ultraputz> there are
[08:58] <Frijolie> *buntu does make it pretty easy, i have to give them that
[08:58] <Ultraputz> there are tools that let you build your own distro on the site
[08:58] <Ultraputz> and there are tools to customize ubuntu installations
[08:58] <Ultraputz> as in, make your own custom install CD
[08:58] <Frijolie> linux from scratch
[08:58] <Ultraputz> there's that too
[08:58] <Frijolie> i don't think i'm ready for that undertaking
[08:58] <Ultraputz> you can take a kernel and wrap shit around it
[08:59] <Ultraputz> it's a good project, it doesn't have to be comple.
[08:59] <Ultraputz> +x
[08:59] <Ultraputz> if you think about it, getting rid of the desktop-oriented features of any unix distro sheds most of its weight
[08:59] <Frijolie> where's an example of a "build your own distro" or "customizable ubuntu installations"?
[09:00] <Ultraputz> i saw a build your own distro feature on one of the linux distro sites when i was doing my homework (before selecting ubuntu)
[09:00] <Frijolie> yeah i know the desktop environment is the 100 lb monkey
[09:00] <Ultraputz> http://blog.mypapit.net/2005/11/how-to-customize-ubuntu-and-knoppix-gnulinux-live-cd-2.html
[09:00] <Ultraputz> start here
[09:01] <Ultraputz> it's dated
[09:01] <Ultraputz> that was my first hit googling "customize ubuntu"
[09:01] <Ultraputz>  :-)
[09:03] <Frijolie> ive seen the ones where its just an .iso of your installation
[09:04] <Ultraputz> there's that, too
[09:04] <Ultraputz> making roll-out images
[09:05] <Ultraputz> man this audacity thing is pissing me off.
[09:06] <Ultraputz> running strace
[09:06] <Ultraputz> on this machine, booting it is going to take all week :-)
[09:06] <Ultraputz> it's a 512mb machine -- tomorrow. it's still a 64 meg machine.
[09:08] <Ultraputz> hrm. strace appears to have helped freeze the machine.
[09:09] <Ultraputz> no software will ever change the fact that computers are very special. the kind of special that often requires a crash helmet, wheel chair and social worker.
[09:09] <Frijolie> agreed
[09:10] <Frijolie> alternate install CD in drive and loading up.."install in text mode"?
[09:10] <Ultraputz> :-)
[09:10] <Ultraputz> i'd recommend it
[09:10] <Ultraputz> but i'd first look at the partitions
[09:10] <Ultraputz> get to the partition tool asap in either case.
[09:11] <Ultraputz> if it's a laptop
[09:11] <Ultraputz> you might set up encrypted.
[09:12] <Ultraputz> that was one of the big sales points for ubuntu -- point and click secure install. you steal my laptop, but you don't get the data. that's important.
[09:12] <Frijolie> meaning different filesystem?
[09:12] <Ultraputz> also, a friend of mine found out that, no matter how funny it sounds, you probably should not set a bios password like "tsalicksballs" :-)
[09:13] <Ultraputz> there's support for an encrypted file system
[09:13] <Ultraputz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystemsInstaller
[09:14] <Frijolie> it's asking for my WEP key, I have WPA should i leave it blank?
[09:14] <Ultraputz> ja
[09:14] <Ultraputz> it's not smart, it's thorough.
[09:14] <Ultraputz> be careful with the keyboard setup, too
[09:14] <Frijolie> yeah that was nuts
[09:14] <Ultraputz> that fucked up on me and i had an international keyboard for a week :-)
[09:15] <Frijolie> network autoconfiguration failed --expected, there was not an option for WPA. thats dumb
[09:15] <Ultraputz> quote-space to get a quote, ~~ to get a single ~
[09:15] <Ultraputz> don't worry about that.
[09:16] <Ultraputz> you know how there are lines on forms that say, "skip if not applicable" ? pretend that's present when it asks a stupid question. that is not the same as a question to which you do not know the answer, of course. :-)
[09:18] <Frijolie> ok here we are at the partitioning part
[09:18] <Frijolie> guided - use entire disk
[09:18] <Frijolie> guided - use entire disk and set up LVM
[09:18] <Frijolie> guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM
[09:18] <Frijolie> LVM = linux volume manager?
[09:18] <Ultraputz> i think so
[09:19] <Frijolie> oh, or manual
[09:19] <Ultraputz> i used guided, set up encrypted lvm
[09:19] <Ultraputz> that way, it's hard to fuck up, and you get straight to using your computer faster. :-)
[09:20] <Ultraputz> crypto does have a speed penalty, btw.
[09:20] <Frijolie> when encrypted is it password protected each and everytime you log in
[09:20] <Ultraputz> it won't boot without a password
[09:20] <Ultraputz> and it is non-recoverable -- you lose it, its gone.
[09:20] <Frijolie> won't boot? like a BIOS password?
[09:21] <Ultraputz> grub comes up, and loads a loader, the loader asks for a password. without it, it cannot decrypt the discs to load the rest of the system.
[09:21] <Frijolie> then, everything on the HDD is encrypted?
[09:21] <Ultraputz> bingo
[09:21] <Ultraputz> so if it gets stolen, no one can read sh.
[09:21] <Ultraputz> er shit.
[09:22] <Ultraputz> i mean, just basic shit like keeping passwords in autofill
[09:22] <Ultraputz> or downloaded email
[09:22] <Ultraputz> nevermind porn collections and whatever else traditionally makes people nervous.
[09:23] <Ultraputz> what i'd like to do now is come up with some webdav or webdav-like scheme -- desktop intergration with a remote disc that doesn't present a security nightmare on either end, preferrably works over an SSH tunnel.
[09:25] <Frijolie> i've never used an ssh tunnel before. however, I'd like some practice using them.
[09:26] <Frijolie> what do you answer, "is your system clock set to UTC"?
[09:27] <Frijolie> i always say, "yes" but don't know what they mean by "system clock".
[09:27] <Ultraputz> the computer has a bttery backed clock
[09:27] <Ultraputz> UTC is universal time
[09:30] <Frijolie> well how do you know if it's set to universal time? UTC = Greenwich time?
[09:31] <Frijolie> 82% complete with the install
[09:32] <Frijolie> "select and install software"
[09:33] <Frijolie> although there is no selecting going on at the current moment
[09:48] <Ultraputz> good luck frijole :-)
[10:14] <nuxygen> IDENTIFY DAGUPAN
[10:16] <nuxygen> IDENTIFY
[10:17] <nuxygen> set mask
[10:48] <brew76> IDENTIFY
[10:48] <brew76> HELP IDENTIFY
[11:59] <kuldeep> Hi
[12:00] <TheSheep> hello kuldeep
[12:00] <kuldeep> need some help setting up network printer in ubuntu. The problem is as follows :
[12:01] <kuldeep> i had made configuration with the help of cups using url http://licalhost:631/admin
[12:06] <kuldeep> it shows printer named Canon_iR2016_192.168.1.148
[12:08] <kuldeep> In next step it requires drivers/model no   or  ppd file
[12:11] <kuldeep> & everything is configured
[12:11] <kuldeep> but nothing is printing
[12:11] <kuldeep> & it shows job is complete
[12:12] <kuldeep> i am not able to figure out ,how to make printing possible
[12:13] <kuldeep> can you help me to sort out the problem
[12:16] <TheSheep> I have no experience with cups myself, but there should be some instructions
[12:16] <TheSheep> !cups
[12:16] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[12:16] <kuldeep> thanks i will look for it:)
[12:32] <_Vortek_> hi there
[12:32] <_Vortek_> i installed xubuntu in portuguese but only half the stuff is in portuguese
[12:33] <_Vortek_> can someone help me with this? please
[12:33] <TheSheep> _Vortek_: it's probably not fully translated yet
[12:33] <TheSheep> !rosetta
[12:33] <ubotu> rosetta is a Web-based system for translating open source software into any language.  See https://launchpad.net/rosetta/+about
[12:33] <_Vortek_> previously i installed ubuntu alternate (this is a P3 1GHz) and it was the same
[12:34] <TheSheep> you can help translating them
[12:34] <_Vortek_> firefox is in english for example
[12:34] <_Vortek_> but i have ubuntu 7.10 in another machine in PT
[12:34] <TheSheep> ah, go to system->languages and download all the language packs
[12:34] <_Vortek_> when i was installing it said the CD did not have the fuill language support
[12:34] <_Vortek_> thats it ;)
[12:34] <_Vortek_> let me see then
[12:35] <_Vortek_> Portuguese has a tick
[12:36] <_Vortek_> so i believe i have it
[12:36] <_Vortek_> i only have ticks in English and Pt
[12:46] <TheSheep> _Vortek_: well, try to select it as the system default
[12:50] <_Vortek_> i did
[12:50] <crewe> anyone have an idea why I would lose audio in everything except my movie player after installing compiz?
[12:52] <TheSheep> crewe: open a terminal, type 'alsamixer' and see if the channels are not muted
[12:52] <crewe> "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"
[12:53] <TheSheep> looks like your system is somewhat mutilated
[12:53] <TheSheep> what about 'alsamixer -c0'
[12:53] <crewe> haha
[12:54] <crewe> wrong -c argument '0'
[12:54] <_Vortek_> im now trying apt-get install language-support-pt
[12:54] <_Vortek_> but it doesn't find it
[12:54] <TheSheep> _Vortek_: do you have all the repositories enabled?
[12:55] <_Vortek_> hmm don't know
[12:55] <_Vortek_> software sources?
[12:55] <TheSheep> crewe: what movie player works?
[12:55] <TheSheep> _Vortek_: no, just main, universe, multiverse, etc.
[12:56] <crewe> totem
[12:56] <_Vortek_> none were
[12:56] <TheSheep> _Vortek_: ah, sorry, it's called 'software sources' in the menu
[12:56] <_Vortek_> so main,uni and multi?
[12:56] <_Vortek_> no restricted?
[12:56] <_Vortek_> and no source?
[12:56] <TheSheep> _Vortek_: well, you can use restricted too
[12:56] <TheSheep> _Vortek_: and you can remove the cd from the list, once you are there
[12:56] <_Vortek_> woh thats a big list
[12:57] <_Vortek_> im going to lunch tks ;)
[12:57] <_Vortek_> its updating
[12:57] <_Vortek_> :p
[13:12] <crewe> ?
[13:14] <TheSheep> crewe: sorry, I'm out of ideas, are you sure all that happened was installing compiz? you installed it from the repositories?
[13:15] <crewe> yeah
[13:16] <crewe> I'll try switching back to xfwm and see what happens
[13:16] <crewe> but i think the same thing happened to my laptop
[13:16] <crewe> no nm, haven't gotten it working yet
[13:16] <crewe> compiz i mean
[14:37] <iTF|Prometheus> hello - can someone help me please. today i loaded xfce and all i get is a blank orange page - no application menu or desktop icons i have had to failsafe to terminal to load xchat
[14:44] <iTF|Prometheus> does anyone know how to repair xfce?
[14:45] <_Vortek_> TheSheep: The software sources were outdated. Updated and now installing support-pt ;) tks so much
[14:46] <iTF|Prometheus> hello - can someone help me please. today i loaded xfce and all i get is a blank orange page - no application menu or desktop icons i have had to failsafe to terminal to load xchat
[14:46] <iTF|Prometheus> is there a way to repair this?
[14:47] <_Vortek_> what did u use before xfce
[14:47] <iTF|Prometheus> xfce - thats all i have used but when i started up this morning - it appears to be blank
[14:48] <_Vortek_> :o don't know sorry
[14:48] <iTF|Prometheus> im using xubuntu 710 gutsy
[14:48] <TheSheep> iTF|Prometheus: deleting the ~/.cache/sessions may help, if not, you may try removing your panel configuration in ~/.config/xfce4/xfce4-panel , this may be caused by a broken panel plugin
[14:48] <iTF|Prometheus> :) - its ok.. thanks for help.. do you know the default packages for xfce - i could try reinstalling them
[14:48] <iTF|Prometheus> TheSheep, thanks - will give it a try
[14:50] <TheSheep> iTF|Prometheus: also, switching to text console with alt+ctrl+f1 and running top to see what's running may give you some clues
[14:52] <iTF|Prometheus> TheSheep, just dropped to alt-ctrl-f2, removed the sessions and the x0-lock and startx again. and it loads fine - thank you very much
[14:52] <TheSheep> iTF|Prometheus: thought it would be nice to know why this happened
[14:52] <TheSheep> iTF|Prometheus: in case it happens again
[14:53] <TheSheep> iTF|Prometheus: btw, you have two instances of X running now
[14:53] <TheSheep> iTF|Prometheus: you can switch to the previous one with alt+ctrl+f~
[14:53] <TheSheep> f7
[14:53] <iTF|Prometheus> TheSheep, yeah.. i've no idea - i didnt install any packages yesterday - xserver did crach once, but i continued working in textmode.. didnt try x again until this morning
[14:53] <TheSheep> if you want to actually kill an X session, use alt+ctrl+backspace
[14:54] <iTF|Prometheus> TheSheep, ahh, thanks
[14:54] <iTF|Prometheus> TheSheep, im getting there... been using it for a couple of days now.. like it very much
[14:54] <TheSheep> glad to hear
[14:55] <TheSheep> iTF|Prometheus: what were you using prevously?
[14:55] <TheSheep> previously
[14:55] <TheSheep> out of curiosity
[14:55] <iTF|Prometheus> lol  - xp
[14:55] <TheSheep> aaaah
[14:55] <iTF|Prometheus> ive used slax in the past - well. backtrack a slax 6 distro
[14:56] <iTF|Prometheus> and had hoary hedgehog on my old drive... but this is prob the fastest distro i have used
[14:58] <iTF|Prometheus> anyways - gonna shoot - thanks fr the help again
[17:04] <Kutagh> Hey, is here anyone who can help me with getting proper Nvidia Geforce FX drivers? :)
[17:04] <totalwormage> !nvidia
[17:04] <Kutagh> !nvidia
[17:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[17:06] <Kutagh> ok, need to restart the PC then now
[19:20] <Shinjin> Hello
[19:21] <Shinjin> Can anyone here help me with a small problem?
[19:29] <zoredache> is there a way a launcher can set the cwd before starting an application?
[19:56] <ere4si> zoredache, what's the "cwd"?
[20:15] <TheSheep> Current Working Directory
[20:16] <TheSheep> zoredache: launch a script that sets it and starts the application
[21:25] <zoredache> TheSheep: thanks...
[21:30] <iwandi> i today installed a fresh xubuntu 7.10 but if i go to add/rmove Applications i always get the error "Connot istall '****' This application confilicts with other installed software
[21:31] <zoredache> iwandi: what are you trying to install?
[21:32] <iwandi> just now i have seen a starting point to fix the error
[21:34] <iwandi> can some post me all default sources.list entrys in xubuntu 7.10 pelace ?
[21:36] <iwandi> the installer commenet out most of the entrys in sources.list
[21:39] <iwandi> fixed ;D
[21:43] <LetsGo67> How come Xubuntu shows two nm-applets when I start up?  How can I permanently remove one?
[21:45] <LetsGo67> How come Ubuntu shows two nm-applets when I start up?  How can I permanently remove one?
[21:46] <zoredache> LetsGo67: I don't know why, but I found that if I did a 'killall nm-applet', then logged out, and made sure the 'save-session' box was checked the problem went away
[21:48] <LetsGo67> zoredache: do I check nm-applet in autostarted apps?
[21:50] <LetsGo67> I'll try, thanks.
[22:05] <Aw0L> is it me, or was the xfce interfaced changed to look just like gnome?
[22:05] <Aw0L> default xfce isn't like that correct?
[22:11] <TheSheep> Aw0L: xfce is very flexible, you can customize it how you like it
[22:12] <Aw0L> yeah
[22:12] <Aw0L> but why is everyone in love with the gnome look?
[22:15] <TheSheep> Aw0L: who said that?
[22:15] <Aw0L> TheSheep, no one, but I think it's funny that xubuntu out of the box looks just like ubuntu w/ a different color scheme
[22:16] <TheSheep> Aw0L: it's intentional
[22:16] <Aw0L> why?
[22:16] <TheSheep> Aw0L: it's a solid layout that was tested and is familiar for a lot of ubuntu users
[22:17] <Aw0L> lol
[22:17] <Aw0L> okay
[22:17] <TheSheep> Aw0L: you can easily change it to suit your needs/tastes
[22:17] <Aw0L> I didn't think there's that much of a learning curve
[22:17] <Aw0L> but I suppose user-friendly is the marketing point
[22:17] <TheSheep> Aw0L: the users who need it the most are the newbies, experienced users are able to change it
[22:18] <Aw0L> I get it
[22:18] <TheSheep> many users don't even know that they can add something to the panels
[22:19] <Aw0L> still in windose mode huh?
[22:19] <Aw0L> sad sad
[22:19] <TheSheep> it's one of the freqently asked questions here
[22:19] <TheSheep> but they learn
[22:19] <TheSheep> and we need to help them if we want them to learn
[22:20] <Aw0L> I suppose so
[22:21] <TheSheep> really, there is a lot of gnome-hate FUD out there recently, and it makes me sad
[22:21] <TheSheep> not that gnome is any good or anything ;)
[22:23] <Aw0L> lol
[22:23] <Aw0L> I don't hate it
[22:23] <Aw0L> I'm just not fond of it
[22:23] <Aw0L> to each his own
[22:23] <Aw0L> I'm a kde person myself - it just bugs me when people say kde is too slow
[22:24] <Aw0L> at least on gentoo, you can do a minimalistic kde install, and it's every bit as fast as gnome
[22:24] <Aw0L> plus, linus likes kde :)
[22:24] <Aw0L> xfce is perty though
[22:43] <iwandi> i cant get falsh wirking in opera 9.26
[22:44] <iwandi> libflashplayer.so is in /usr/lib/oper/plugins
[22:44] <zoredache> did you follow the directions on the opera web page?
[22:44] <iwandi> yes
[22:44] <iwandi> firefox works fine
[23:11] <ron_o> why isn't tovid in the repos?
[23:14] <zoredache> I would guess that it uses codecs that are non-free.... either that, or someone hasn't built a package yet
[23:15] <ron_o> yah.. just weird. It thought that Tovid was a popular program. I see it probably isn't.
[23:16] <ron_o> I found something that I will try, however.
[23:16] <ron_o> yah, it's non-free.
[23:16] <ron_o> yuk.. I hate all this non-free stuff. Ubuntu, however, is just following the legality of it all.
[23:17] <ron_o> better off keep it clean considering they are quite popular.
[23:17] <zoredache> you could always submit a bug requesting that it be packaged...  Or if you are really adventureous you could try and build a package yourself
[23:17] <zoredache> then submit your work
[23:18] <zoredache> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[23:18] <ron_o> I was just so used to gentoo. It just has everything. :/
[23:18] <ron_o> thanks.. I'll look into it.
[23:24] <ron_o> here's a request for tovid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/109598
[23:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109598 in ubuntu "[need-packaging] Package reqest: Tovid" [Wishlist,Fix released]
[23:25] <zoredache> that seems to indicate it will be in Hardy.
[23:26] <zoredache> if that is the case you probably could download the hardy source-package and rebuild it for gutsy...
[23:27] <catomannen> erhm.. i need some help..
[23:29] <ron_o> or I could just upgrade to hardy. :)
[23:29] <zoredache> ron_o: that is an option too
[23:29] <ron_o> 1.5 months early..
[23:29] <ron_o> that's pretty desperate however. I just need a machine that works. I'm so sick of issues. :/
[23:30] <catomannen> Is it my shitty carma and ineptitude, or is ubuntu flavours hard to install on dual core amd mobos?
[23:31]  * zoredache shrugs
[23:31] <zoredache> I don't have an amd motherboard
[23:31] <zoredache> what exactly is your problem?
[23:31] <ron_o> have intel dual core cpu and it works fine.
[23:32] <catomannen> I get apic error, kernel panic when trying to isnatll ubuntu, xubuntu or kubuntu
[23:32] <ron_o> catomannen, how new is it? a year ago mine needed the very latest kernel which few of them had.
[23:32] <catomannen> not able to deactivate apic in bios
[23:32] <catomannen> tried to type nolapic noapic as strings in boot, no luck
[23:32] <ron_o> isn't there a no-apic flag..errr
[23:32] <catomannen> i got a december 07 distro, came with linux user mag
[23:33] <catomannen> tried ubuntu 7.10 as well
[23:33] <ron_o> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=247734
[23:33] <ron_o> look there. that may be your issue.
[23:33] <catomannen> ok
[23:33] <ron_o> maybe your string had the wrong syntax.
[23:34] <catomannen> maybe, i tried every string i could google up, got as far as to get the message " two cpu's brought up-- kernel panic" then it all just hangs
[23:35] <catomannen> tried : irqpoll pci=noacpi noapic nolapic acpi=off
[23:36] <catomannen> spposed to do the trick, but not for me though
[23:36] <catomannen> SuSe and pclinuxos installs fine
[23:36] <catomannen> But i want the xubuntu
[23:36] <catomannen> dammit
[23:37] <catomannen> Maybe i could find a bios image where acpi can be turned off
[23:38] <zoredache> catomannen: so does the installcd boot?
[23:39] <catomannen> yes, but it hangs after the boot menu
[23:40] <catomannen> i get the nice boot meny with all the options, i press f6 for extra options and type in a string, but i get errors that the kernel panics and it has nothing to boot..
[23:40] <catomannen> Obviously i am using the wrong string, or it is incomplete
[23:41] <zoredache> catomannen: maybe... it is possible that the kernel on the install CD is incompabtible with something on your system and there is nothing you can do
[23:41] <zoredache> you could try a newer or older version of ubuntu
[23:43] <LetsGo67> How come Ubuntu shows two nm-applets when I start up?  How can I permanently remove one?
[23:43] <catomannen> ok, maybe an older version then, i think i got the latest release wich i downloaded yesterday from ubuntu. This is really some pain, amd 64 x2 dualcore-schmualcore. thanks though. ill just try an older versoin, perhapsi can upgrade if i get it running
[23:43] <catomannen> Bye all
[23:45] <LetsGo67> How come Ubuntu shows two nm-applets when I start up?  How can I permanently remove one?
[23:55] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: try deleting the contents of ~/.cache/sessions and re-logging
[23:56] <LetsGo67> Thanks TheSheep