| eduardo | hello, one question: xubuntu is for older computer? | 00:34 |
|---|---|---|
| siggjen | xubuntu is for computers | 00:35 |
| siggjen | it works like a charm on my p3 700 | 00:35 |
| ceil420 | it's the lightest flavour of Ubuntu, targeted at aging hardware, yeah | 00:35 |
| siggjen | and on my Q6600 | 00:35 |
| ceil420 | not sure if you can install it on a 300MHz with 32mb RAM, though | 00:35 |
| siggjen | need 64 MB RAM minimum docs say | 00:35 |
| eduardo | well...I want say that...for example... | 00:36 |
| eduardo | I've a centrino 1,6Ghz with 512MB....but my ubuntu 7,10 goes very heavy... | 00:36 |
| siggjen | it will probably work better on old computers than kubunto or ubuntu | 00:36 |
| ceil420 | heh that'll run Xubuntu fine :p | 00:37 |
| ceil420 | i have a p4 1.7ghz with 512mb ram | 00:37 |
| eduardo | and I can use however software how in ubuntu ? | 00:37 |
| eduardo | with the same repository ? | 00:37 |
| ceil420 | yeah, same repo's | 00:37 |
| ceil420 | i think the main difference is that Xubuntu uses the Xfce desktop environment, instead of the bloatier GNOME and KDE DEs | 00:38 |
| eduardo | and how I can change my ubuntu for a xubuntu ? | 00:38 |
| eduardo | without lost anything | 00:38 |
| ceil420 | you might wanna check with the folks in #ubuntu, but i'm pretty sure you just need to sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop | 00:39 |
| siggjen | correct | 00:39 |
| eduardo | so it's not a operative sistem, not? | 00:39 |
| eduardo | it's a.... | 00:39 |
| siggjen | it is | 00:39 |
| ceil420 | it's just a lighter desktop environment | 00:39 |
| ceil420 | compared to Ubuntu | 00:40 |
| ceil420 | (Ubuntu is an OS) | 00:40 |
| siggjen | you can install gnome on xubuntu | 00:40 |
| eduardo | ubuntu is a OS but Xubuntu is how gnome or kde, no? | 00:40 |
| zoredache | ceil420: I don't think I agree... I would call gnu/linux an os | 00:40 |
| zoredache | and ubuntu/xubuntu a distrobution of gnu/linux | 00:40 |
| zoredache | but really it is all about semantics | 00:41 |
| ceil420 | yeh, semantics >< | 00:41 |
| zoredache | xubuntu,ubuntu,xubuntu,* are all the same thing | 00:41 |
| ceil420 | eduardo, Xubuntu doesn't use gnome or kde. It uses Xfce | 00:41 |
| zoredache | they just have install cds that choose different packages at install time | 00:41 |
| ceil420 | Xfce is a lighter DE than those two; more suited for old hardware | 00:41 |
| zoredache | everything availbe on one, is available on another | 00:41 |
| eduardo | so I can do: apt-get install xubuntu ?? | 00:42 |
| ceil420 | xubuntu-desktop, i believe | 00:42 |
| zoredache | eduardo: xubuntu-desktop | 00:42 |
| eduardo | ahmm...ok, wait I will do it and I tell you what happen | 00:43 |
| eduardo | it's downloading... | 00:44 |
| eduardo | hello again! | 01:01 |
| eduardo | Im using xubuntu/desktop.... | 01:01 |
| eduardo | but I-ve a problem | 01:01 |
| ceil420 | ? | 01:02 |
| eduardo | with the keyboard... | 01:02 |
| eduardo | I use es and it-s us | 01:02 |
| eduardo | and... | 01:02 |
| eduardo | I cannot change it in System | 01:02 |
| ceil420 | Xubuntu > Settings > Keyboard? | 01:03 |
| eduardo | in ubuntu I could do it | 01:03 |
| eduardo | yes, I cannot there | 01:03 |
| ceil420 | eduardo, what if you uncheck 'Use X configuration'? | 01:04 |
| eduardo | I dont check it... | 01:05 |
| eduardo | I put the new configuration.... | 01:05 |
| eduardo | but don-t save the change | 01:05 |
| eduardo | and I change it, go to the first tab...to check the new configuration...but it-s not in spanish... | 01:06 |
| ceil420 | sorry, i've never changed the layout, i just know where the keyboard preferences are :x | 01:07 |
| eduardo | can you try it... | 01:07 |
| eduardo | _ | 01:07 |
| eduardo | ? | 01:07 |
| ceil420 | if no one else is active in here, maybe you can try #ubuntu (being sure to tell them you're on Xubuntu and not regular Ubuntu) | 01:07 |
| eduardo | but when I use gnome I can do it... | 01:08 |
| ceil420 | it didn't save my settings either :x | 01:09 |
| eduardo | but when I change to xubuntu...the keyboard it-s not the same...and I cannot to change the configuration | 01:09 |
| ceil420 | i just tried setting it from US to UK and it reverted to default :x | 01:09 |
| eduardo | yes! | 01:09 |
| eduardo | so it does not work, not_ | 01:09 |
| eduardo | ? | 01:09 |
| ceil420 | i don't know how to make it work :x | 01:09 |
| eduardo | I think it can be a bug of xubuntu, not? | 01:10 |
| ceil420 | possibly | 01:10 |
| eduardo | I am reading about it...its a general problem, not only me :-S | 01:12 |
| ceil420 | i'm surprised, really :x i'm using 7.10, and Xubuntu's been around since at least 6.10 | 01:13 |
| ceil420 | wouldn't think there'd be such a bug in it :x | 01:13 |
| eduardo | maybe yes! | 01:15 |
| eduardo | I solve it!! | 01:17 |
| ceil420 | congratulations :) | 01:17 |
| ceil420 | how'd you fix it? | 01:17 |
| eduardo | now I can use Ñ!! | 01:17 |
| eduardo | :-P | 01:17 |
| ceil420 | i use a compose key to make Ñ :p | 01:17 |
| eduardo | you must change it in : /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 01:18 |
| eduardo | and to reboot | 01:18 |
| ceil420 | ah | 01:18 |
| ceil420 | glad you got it working :) | 01:18 |
| eduardo | :-D | 01:18 |
| eduardo | so now is es for default, and I cannot change it...:-) | 01:19 |
| ceil420 | at least you don't have to use us :p | 01:20 |
| eduardo | but I want not change coz now is spanish keyboard :-P | 01:20 |
| ceil420 | :) | 01:20 |
| eduardo | hey!! another problem!! | 01:31 |
| eduardo | where is my sound?? | 01:31 |
| eduardo | sorry sorry....I was not a problem... | 01:34 |
| eduardo | it was not a problem.... | 01:34 |
| |Prometheus| | hello. Im having a few problems with booting xubuntu. I get a substantially long boot delay caused by a dma timeout on my /dev/hda drive. i have appended the kernel line and added the option ide=noda but i still get the timeout... is there anything else i can do?... when i connect this drive, by boot time increases by 2 minutes | 01:37 |
| |Prometheus| | its as if grub is ignoring the ide=nodma parameter | 01:38 |
| vidd | has anyone figured out why fonts are so increadibly small? | 01:44 |
| vidd | I've had to decrease screen resolution to 800x600 in order to read anything | 01:45 |
| vidd | it has to have something to do with the desktop environment, because the tty's are fine | 01:46 |
| vidd | but the terminal window fonts are tiny too | 01:46 |
| vidd | Its happened on every machine running 7.10 | 01:47 |
| vidd | all different hardware | 01:48 |
| vidd | is there by change some setting in GDM that got changed recently? | 01:48 |
| Shinjin | Anyone here? | 03:03 |
| KillerPacMan | I am trying to install ubuntu 7.10 and as it starts toinstall it says "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" failed to load and then it just sits there | 03:28 |
| KillerPacMan | also says firmware/0000"03.00.0' | 03:29 |
| torus | Does Xubuntu Hardy Heron 5 have KVM, libvirt and virt-manager by default also? | 03:56 |
| Administrator_ | http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44/ | 05:02 |
| Administrator_ | i assume most people have seen this, any luck trying it? | 05:03 |
| === Administrator_ is now known as penguino | ||
| kuldeep | hi | 05:42 |
| === penguino is now known as Administrator_ | ||
| zoredache | is it possible to target a desktop when you start a program? | 06:23 |
| The-Kernel | I....don't....know.... | 06:27 |
| The-Kernel | I failed... | 06:27 |
| zoredache | !devilspie | 06:29 |
| ubotu | devilspie is a tool that performs actions on windows in GNOME's metacity such as resizing, positioning, and pinning. Usage information can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie | 06:29 |
| eca | is it possible to target a desktop when you start a program? i thought thats what stick window does | 06:42 |
| zoredache | I dunno | 06:43 |
| zoredache | I want it to be possible | 06:43 |
| eca | multiple desktops are overrated, is minimizing or alt-tab so hard | 06:45 |
| zoredache | well I kinda want my music player to auto-start.... Do you know how to minimize it immediatly at startup? | 06:48 |
| eca | autostart when you login? write startup script, or use tarted apps | 06:49 |
| eca | *autostarted applications program | 06:50 |
| zoredache | I know how to start the applications | 06:50 |
| zoredache | I don't know how to get it out of my sight automatically | 06:50 |
| zoredache | I want to start it and have it be minimized or on a different workspace | 06:51 |
| eca | use mplayer? | 06:52 |
| zoredache | no, vlc | 06:52 |
| zoredache | btw devilspie does seem to work, it just takes a bit of work to get the configuration correct | 06:56 |
| kubuntu | buenos dias | 07:15 |
| kubuntu | hablaríase castellano por estos lares? | 07:15 |
| zoredache | [ 3885.548000] usb-storage: device found at 2 | 08:28 |
| zoredache | [ 3885.548000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning | 08:28 |
| zoredache | [ 3885.548000] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage | 08:28 |
| kuldeep | hi | 09:19 |
| kuldeep | I need some help in setting up canon IR2016 on ubuntu | 09:22 |
| floating | hey, anyone who knows unix here ? | 13:58 |
| floating | how can i pipe a files text as a message body with mail -s ? | 13:58 |
| floating | mail -s "otsikko" vnaatane@students.oamk.fi < maili | 13:59 |
| floating | that dont work | 13:59 |
| ron_o | had something strange happen. All of a sudden my xubuntu restarted. Never happened before. | 17:11 |
| sugardrunk | !flash | 17:18 |
| ubotu | To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash | 17:18 |
| sugardrunk | !gnash | 17:18 |
| ubotu | An open source flash replacement. It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ | 17:18 |
| Dan_SR | Hi, someone can help me? When I change the screen resolution to 800x600 (my monitor is old...), the font size of applications change to a small value... I would like to stay with the same font size. Someone know what is the problem? | 17:19 |
| |Prometheus| | Im having a few problems with booting xubuntu. I get a substantially long boot delay caused by a dma timeout on my /dev/hda drive. i have appended the kernel line and added the option ide=noda but i still get the timeout... is there anything else i can do?... when i connect this drive, by boot time increases by 2 minutes | 18:21 |
| |Prometheus| | could this be related to the kernel i am using? 2.6.22-14-generic | 18:37 |
| TheSheep | it's ide=nodma | 18:42 |
| |Prometheus| | sorry - yes, my i missed the m out :( | 18:43 |
| |Prometheus| | thats what i have tried - but it sees to ignore it | 18:43 |
| TheSheep | I don't have any idea. I suppose you have read about boot options already? | 18:43 |
| TheSheep | You could try searching teh forums/google for your disk model or motherboard | 18:43 |
| |Prometheus| | yeah, well am doing now - going through the forum finding everything i can | 18:44 |
| |Prometheus| | its just, with slax - the ide=nodma works fine | 18:44 |
| TheSheep | well, it also depends on the kernel build options | 18:44 |
| |Prometheus| | its just as if its being ignored, cause when booted - hdparm shows dma as 1 not 0 | 18:45 |
| |Prometheus| | how do i build a new kernel (compile) | 18:46 |
| TheSheep | no idea | 18:50 |
| TheSheep | !kernel | 18:50 |
| ubotu | The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages | 18:50 |
| |Prometheus| | thanks | 18:51 |
| aladdinsaneo | im using a 250W PSU unit right now, but as im only just using 1 hdd, a lame old video card and a celeron in my computer i wonder if i could use a weaker PSU to save electricity, any tips? | 19:45 |
| ere4si | a 250w psu can provide up to 250w but will only provide what is needed - so the same hardware will use the same amount of power with any psu | 19:48 |
| aladdinsaneo | ok so a weaker one will not save me any electricity | 19:50 |
| aladdinsaneo | im not an electricity expert as you might see :) but why is my PSU getting so hot then, when i just use a small amount of its capability? | 19:53 |
| ere4si | nope | 19:53 |
| ere4si | is the fan working? | 19:54 |
| ere4si | how old is it? is it a cheap brand? | 19:54 |
| aladdinsaneo | yes, i have no problems with it, i was just wondering | 19:55 |
| aladdinsaneo | i mean if i just use a small amount of its capabilities couldn't i shut off its fan then? | 19:55 |
| ere4si | no - the fan is necessary to cool the psu at any working load and it helps to move air out of the pc as well | 19:57 |
| aladdinsaneo | ok, you are probably right, i just thought it was funny when my psu got really hot when i shut it's fan down, although i couldn't be using much of it's capabilities | 20:01 |
| aladdinsaneo | ere4si: i also thought that that in a way was the way the fan-less PSU's work | 20:04 |
| aladdinsaneo | i mean that they work far under their capabilities and in that way can work without a fan | 20:04 |
| aladdinsane | ere4si: dont know if u answered me, got disconnected | 20:07 |
| ere4si | what's your cpu aladdinsane ? | 20:08 |
| aladdinsane | celeron 2.1GHz | 20:08 |
| aladdinsane | socket 478 | 20:08 |
| ere4si | can use up to 90 w - the fan is needed unles the psu was designed without one | 20:09 |
| aladdinsane | i have a temp regulated fan there, runs very slow | 20:10 |
| ere4si | find an online power consumption calculator and you will be suprised | 20:10 |
| aladdinsane | ere4si: no i believe you, but i just thought cause it is designed to be able to handle up to 5 hhd's, or at least there are 5 cables for it, it must be working a lot under it capabilities right now | 20:14 |
| zuzma | I'm sort of confused about manual partitioning could someone help me out? | 21:12 |
| zuzma | well that and I'm completely new to linux | 21:12 |
| zoredache | what are you confused about? | 21:12 |
| zuzma | I'd like to setup an install on three drives | 21:12 |
| zuzma | I want full read write access to a 500 GB one and a 200 GB one, but it stuck them in root for some reason | 21:12 |
| zuzma | then I want the os on my 80GB one | 21:13 |
| zuzma | what would be the best way to configure that? | 21:13 |
| zuzma | oh that and I'd like to use JFS for the file system | 21:13 |
| zoredache | why jfs? | 21:14 |
| zuzma | well I wanted something fast and it said it was when I looked at all the other file systems through wikipedia | 21:14 |
| zuzma | I download a lot of movies and stuff | 21:14 |
| zuzma | should I use something else? | 21:14 |
| zuzma | it's for desktop use mainly | 21:16 |
| zuzma | I guess | 21:16 |
| zoredache | ext3 is far more well tested and reliable... generally, I think, you should stick with that unless you have a really good reason | 21:16 |
| zuzma | okay.. hmm | 21:16 |
| zoredache | I doubt there will be a noticeable difference in performance for just watching movies | 21:17 |
| zuzma | what about opengl games? | 21:17 |
| zuzma | oh also what should I make the mount points for the two larger drives | 21:17 |
| zuzma | I accidently made one /media | 21:18 |
| zuzma | on my first try | 21:18 |
| zuzma | but I'm going to reinstall everything | 21:18 |
| zoredache | zuzma: make them whatever you want.... perhaps /home, or perhaps something in /srv | 21:18 |
| zuzma | would that give me full read write access? | 21:18 |
| zuzma | if i made those two drives /home? | 21:18 |
| zuzma | sorry | 21:18 |
| zuzma | I kinda want to treat them as a dump for my videos and games | 21:19 |
| zoredache | you can't have two volumes mounted in a single folder without using something like lvm or something else | 21:19 |
| zuzma | oh I see | 21:19 |
| zoredache | anyway, whereever you mount them you can change the permissions so that you can write there | 21:20 |
| zuzma | what about making the mount point /home/desktop/video ? | 21:20 |
| zuzma | OHH! | 21:20 |
| zuzma | damnit I should of known it was that easy : ( | 21:21 |
| zoredache | I suspect I set some manual mountpoints like /shared/500g, and /shared/200g | 21:21 |
| TheSheep | you can also change the mountpoints without reinstalling (or even restarting) | 21:22 |
| zoredache | once mounted simply do something like a chown -R username:username /shared | 21:22 |
| zoredache | where username is your username | 21:23 |
| zuzma | wow confusing, but I think I'll just do it a simple and not use a mount point the system needs :P | 21:23 |
| zuzma | I tried fixing it through fstab, but that didn't work | 21:23 |
| sprauekraut | xubuntu 7.10 - can't use brasero to burn audio cd from mp3 files, any takers? | 21:23 |
| zuzma | ah well thanks so much for the help guys. I'll give it a go again :D | 21:24 |
| taggartbg2 | i have a 2.5 gig "unallocated" section of my hdd that i'd like to install xubuntu on, the xubuntu installed calls this space "unusable" - how do i go about making this usable? | 21:24 |
| taggartbg2 | installer* | 21:24 |
| zoredache | taggartbg2: I would guess it is unusable because of the layout of your other partitions... You would need to figure out what is making it unusable and then change things | 21:25 |
| zoredache | do an 'sudo sfdisk -l' and post that on pastebin | 21:26 |
| taggartbg2 | how do I get the output of a command to output to a file again? | 21:27 |
| aladinsano | can i get my xp to be the standard boot? right now it boot directly into xubuntu | 21:28 |
| sprauekraut | aladinsano: do you use the standard grub bootloader? | 21:30 |
| sprauekraut | would anyone like to help me with a brasero audo cd burning issue? | 21:31 |
| slow-motion | hi | 21:31 |
| sprauekraut | audio* | 21:31 |
| taggartbg2 | zoredache: can you read an abiword document? | 21:35 |
| zoredache | !pastebin | taggartbg2 | 21:36 |
| ubotu | taggartbg2: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | 21:36 |
| zoredache | no need to create a document, just use pastebin | 21:37 |
| taggartbg2 | !pastebin | 21:38 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | 21:38 |
| taggartbg2 | ah, i see, ok | 21:38 |
| taggartbg2 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57119/ | 21:39 |
| taggartbg2 | 1 partition is vista, 1 is a dell recovery partition, 1 is dell bios settings, 1 is for Dell Media Direct, 1 is unallocated where I want to install xubuntu | 21:39 |
| zoredache | taggartbg2: I don't see any unallocated partitions... | 21:41 |
| taggartbg2 | zoredache: in vista i shrunk the recovery partition and according to vista disk manager there is a 2.5ish gb unallocated partition | 21:42 |
| zoredache | there is a hole between 967 and 1315, but you won't be able to use it | 21:42 |
| taggartbg2 | in xubuntu when i tried to install, sda4 says "unusable" | 21:42 |
| taggartbg2 | how do i go about making it usable? | 21:42 |
| zoredache | you can only have 4 primary partitions, or three partitions and an extended partition | 21:43 |
| zoredache | you already have 3 primary + extended... you can't have another | 21:43 |
| taggartbg2 | lame | 21:43 |
| taggartbg2 | hmmm | 21:43 |
| taggartbg2 | what's the difference between an extended and a primary? | 21:43 |
| zoredache | an extended partition can contain logical drives | 21:43 |
| zoredache | it is kind of a sub-partition | 21:44 |
| taggartbg2 | ah, i see | 21:44 |
| zoredache | you can have many of those | 21:44 |
| taggartbg2 | so can you tell which (sda1-5) is what vista calls the "unallocated" partition? | 21:44 |
| taggartbg2 | its either 4 or 5 | 21:44 |
| zoredache | sda5 is your recovery partition | 21:45 |
| taggartbg2 | sda2 is the recovery, because thats the 8 gig one | 21:45 |
| zoredache | if you have a backup on cds you could delete that | 21:45 |
| taggartbg2 | hmm, ok, thanks for all the help, i'm going to consult with dell and see what recovery options they provide for me other than that partition, i don't know exactly how all of their disks and such work | 21:47 |
| taggartbg2 | i'm new to dell | 21:47 |
| zoredache | hrm... well I am not entirely sure then... But I am sure that you aren't going to create any more partitions right now | 21:47 |
| zoredache | it might be easier to simply install a second drive | 21:48 |
| zoredache | if you have or can afford a spare | 21:48 |
| taggartbg2 | its a notebook :-\ | 21:49 |
| sprauekraut | I'm having a problem burning mp3s as an audio cd using brasero. Its weird, because i have no problem playing them. Would anyone like to help me with this issue? | 21:50 |
| zoredache | ah | 21:50 |
| taggartbg2 | i'm seeing another problem here | 21:54 |
| taggartbg2 | the window manager is not recognizing all of the space on the partitions | 21:54 |
| taggartbg2 | it says RECOVERY is less than a gig, but its 8 gigs | 21:54 |
| taggartbg2 | it says OS is only 111 gigs, but its over 130 | 21:54 |
| taggartbg2 | DellUtility is about right | 21:54 |
| taggartbg2 | and MEDIADIRECT is missing a gig as well | 21:55 |
| taggartbg2 | GParted recognizes all of the space though, so I'm not sure | 21:56 |
| zoredache | I wouldn't worry about it too much | 21:56 |
| taggartbg2 | ah, ok | 21:57 |
| taggartbg2 | so just to verify, there's no way to have 4 primary partitions and an extended? | 21:57 |
| zoredache | no | 21:58 |
| taggartbg2 | what about installing xubuntu on an extended partition? | 21:59 |
| zoredache | taggartbg2: you mean logical-drive... you could do that, but you dont' have space in your extentded paritition | 22:00 |
| taggartbg2 | i have 2.44 gigs of unallocated space | 22:00 |
| zoredache | yes, but it isn't in your extended partition... it is between two other partitions | 22:01 |
| taggartbg2 | is it possible to partition that to be a second extended partition where i could install xubuntu on a logical drive? | 22:01 |
| zoredache | taggartbg2: no, only one extdended per drive is allowed | 22:01 |
| taggartbg2 | hmm | 22:01 |
| taggartbg2 | what about using Acronis or something to move OS and the extended partition leftwards, and extended the extended partition, and partition another logical drive onto the extended partition? | 22:02 |
| zoredache | taggartbg2: yes, that is possible... I am not familar with those tools... | 22:03 |
| taggartbg2 | nice, there is hope! | 22:04 |
| taggartbg2 | i'll play around with Acronis and see what i can get out of it | 22:04 |
| zoredache | well, I strongly suggest you get some kind of external backup system before you start using those... I have heard of those tools trashing things | 22:04 |
| taggartbg2 | good call | 22:04 |
| slow-motion | n8 | 22:22 |
| penguino | i already have my drive partitioned going into xubuntu installer from cd, but it won't detect the drive from the partitioner | 23:28 |
| penguino | 7.10, is this a recurring problem? | 23:28 |
| zoredache | penguino: generally that means that your disk controller isn't supported | 23:31 |
| penguino | i've been able to install 6.06 before, this is the first time with this problem | 23:33 |
| Obscurati | hey, having an issue with audacity freezing when i hit record. everything else works, mic works. audacity record and play (and playback works) through oss layer of alsa (default config.) | 23:35 |
| * eldalion | 23:50 | |
| * eldalion prout | 23:51 | |
| Obscurati | ? | 23:58 |
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