[00:34] hello, one question: xubuntu is for older computer? [00:35] xubuntu is for computers [00:35] it works like a charm on my p3 700 [00:35] it's the lightest flavour of Ubuntu, targeted at aging hardware, yeah [00:35] and on my Q6600 [00:35] not sure if you can install it on a 300MHz with 32mb RAM, though [00:35] need 64 MB RAM minimum docs say [00:36] well...I want say that...for example... [00:36] I've a centrino 1,6Ghz with 512MB....but my ubuntu 7,10 goes very heavy... [00:36] it will probably work better on old computers than kubunto or ubuntu [00:37] heh that'll run Xubuntu fine :p [00:37] i have a p4 1.7ghz with 512mb ram [00:37] and I can use however software how in ubuntu ? [00:37] with the same repository ? [00:37] yeah, same repo's [00:38] i think the main difference is that Xubuntu uses the Xfce desktop environment, instead of the bloatier GNOME and KDE DEs [00:38] and how I can change my ubuntu for a xubuntu ? [00:38] without lost anything [00:39] you might wanna check with the folks in #ubuntu, but i'm pretty sure you just need to sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [00:39] correct [00:39] so it's not a operative sistem, not? [00:39] it's a.... [00:39] it is [00:39] it's just a lighter desktop environment [00:40] compared to Ubuntu [00:40] (Ubuntu is an OS) [00:40] you can install gnome on xubuntu [00:40] ubuntu is a OS but Xubuntu is how gnome or kde, no? [00:40] ceil420: I don't think I agree... I would call gnu/linux an os [00:40] and ubuntu/xubuntu a distrobution of gnu/linux [00:41] but really it is all about semantics [00:41] yeh, semantics >< [00:41] xubuntu,ubuntu,xubuntu,* are all the same thing [00:41] eduardo, Xubuntu doesn't use gnome or kde. It uses Xfce [00:41] they just have install cds that choose different packages at install time [00:41] Xfce is a lighter DE than those two; more suited for old hardware [00:41] everything availbe on one, is available on another [00:42] so I can do: apt-get install xubuntu ?? [00:42] xubuntu-desktop, i believe [00:42] eduardo: xubuntu-desktop [00:43] ahmm...ok, wait I will do it and I tell you what happen [00:44] it's downloading... [01:01] hello again! [01:01] Im using xubuntu/desktop.... [01:01] but I-ve a problem [01:02] ? [01:02] with the keyboard... [01:02] I use es and it-s us [01:02] and... [01:02] I cannot change it in System [01:03] Xubuntu > Settings > Keyboard? [01:03] in ubuntu I could do it [01:03] yes, I cannot there [01:04] eduardo, what if you uncheck 'Use X configuration'? [01:05] I dont check it... [01:05] I put the new configuration.... [01:05] but don-t save the change [01:06] and I change it, go to the first tab...to check the new configuration...but it-s not in spanish... [01:07] sorry, i've never changed the layout, i just know where the keyboard preferences are :x [01:07] can you try it... [01:07] _ [01:07] ? [01:07] if no one else is active in here, maybe you can try #ubuntu (being sure to tell them you're on Xubuntu and not regular Ubuntu) [01:08] but when I use gnome I can do it... [01:09] it didn't save my settings either :x [01:09] but when I change to xubuntu...the keyboard it-s not the same...and I cannot to change the configuration [01:09] i just tried setting it from US to UK and it reverted to default :x [01:09] yes! [01:09] so it does not work, not_ [01:09] ? [01:09] i don't know how to make it work :x [01:10] I think it can be a bug of xubuntu, not? [01:10] possibly [01:12] I am reading about it...its a general problem, not only me :-S [01:13] i'm surprised, really :x i'm using 7.10, and Xubuntu's been around since at least 6.10 [01:13] wouldn't think there'd be such a bug in it :x [01:15] maybe yes! [01:17] I solve it!! [01:17] congratulations :) [01:17] how'd you fix it? [01:17] now I can use Ñ!! [01:17] :-P [01:17] i use a compose key to make Ñ :p [01:18] you must change it in : /etc/X11/xorg.conf [01:18] and to reboot [01:18] ah [01:18] glad you got it working :) [01:18] :-D [01:19] so now is es for default, and I cannot change it...:-) [01:20] at least you don't have to use us :p [01:20] but I want not change coz now is spanish keyboard :-P [01:20] :) [01:31] hey!! another problem!! [01:31] where is my sound?? [01:34] sorry sorry....I was not a problem... [01:34] it was not a problem.... [01:37] <|Prometheus|> hello. Im having a few problems with booting xubuntu. I get a substantially long boot delay caused by a dma timeout on my /dev/hda drive. i have appended the kernel line and added the option ide=noda but i still get the timeout... is there anything else i can do?... when i connect this drive, by boot time increases by 2 minutes [01:38] <|Prometheus|> its as if grub is ignoring the ide=nodma parameter [01:44] has anyone figured out why fonts are so increadibly small? [01:45] I've had to decrease screen resolution to 800x600 in order to read anything [01:46] it has to have something to do with the desktop environment, because the tty's are fine [01:46] but the terminal window fonts are tiny too [01:47] Its happened on every machine running 7.10 [01:48] all different hardware [01:48] is there by change some setting in GDM that got changed recently? [03:03] Anyone here? [03:28] I am trying to install ubuntu 7.10 and as it starts toinstall it says "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" failed to load and then it just sits there [03:29] also says firmware/0000"03.00.0' [03:56] Does Xubuntu Hardy Heron 5 have KVM, libvirt and virt-manager by default also? [05:02] http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44/ [05:03] i assume most people have seen this, any luck trying it? === Administrator_ is now known as penguino [05:42] hi === penguino is now known as Administrator_ [06:23] is it possible to target a desktop when you start a program? [06:27] I....don't....know.... [06:27] I failed... [06:29] !devilspie [06:29] devilspie is a tool that performs actions on windows in GNOME's metacity such as resizing, positioning, and pinning. Usage information can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie [06:42] is it possible to target a desktop when you start a program? i thought thats what stick window does [06:43] I dunno [06:43] I want it to be possible [06:45] multiple desktops are overrated, is minimizing or alt-tab so hard [06:48] well I kinda want my music player to auto-start.... Do you know how to minimize it immediatly at startup? [06:49] autostart when you login? write startup script, or use tarted apps [06:50] *autostarted applications program [06:50] I know how to start the applications [06:50] I don't know how to get it out of my sight automatically [06:51] I want to start it and have it be minimized or on a different workspace [06:52] use mplayer? [06:52] no, vlc [06:56] btw devilspie does seem to work, it just takes a bit of work to get the configuration correct [07:15] buenos dias [07:15] hablaríase castellano por estos lares? [08:28] [ 3885.548000] usb-storage: device found at 2 [08:28] [ 3885.548000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning [08:28] [ 3885.548000] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage [09:19] hi [09:22] I need some help in setting up canon IR2016 on ubuntu [13:58] hey, anyone who knows unix here ? [13:58] how can i pipe a files text as a message body with mail -s ? [13:59] mail -s "otsikko" vnaatane@students.oamk.fi < maili [13:59] that dont work [17:11] had something strange happen. All of a sudden my xubuntu restarted. Never happened before. [17:18] !flash [17:18] To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash [17:18] !gnash [17:18] An open source flash replacement. It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ [17:19] Hi, someone can help me? When I change the screen resolution to 800x600 (my monitor is old...), the font size of applications change to a small value... I would like to stay with the same font size. Someone know what is the problem? [18:21] <|Prometheus|> Im having a few problems with booting xubuntu. I get a substantially long boot delay caused by a dma timeout on my /dev/hda drive. i have appended the kernel line and added the option ide=noda but i still get the timeout... is there anything else i can do?... when i connect this drive, by boot time increases by 2 minutes [18:37] <|Prometheus|> could this be related to the kernel i am using? 2.6.22-14-generic [18:42] it's ide=nodma [18:43] <|Prometheus|> sorry - yes, my i missed the m out :( [18:43] <|Prometheus|> thats what i have tried - but it sees to ignore it [18:43] I don't have any idea. I suppose you have read about boot options already? [18:43] You could try searching teh forums/google for your disk model or motherboard [18:44] <|Prometheus|> yeah, well am doing now - going through the forum finding everything i can [18:44] <|Prometheus|> its just, with slax - the ide=nodma works fine [18:44] well, it also depends on the kernel build options [18:45] <|Prometheus|> its just as if its being ignored, cause when booted - hdparm shows dma as 1 not 0 [18:46] <|Prometheus|> how do i build a new kernel (compile) [18:50] no idea [18:50] !kernel [18:50] The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages [18:51] <|Prometheus|> thanks [19:45] im using a 250W PSU unit right now, but as im only just using 1 hdd, a lame old video card and a celeron in my computer i wonder if i could use a weaker PSU to save electricity, any tips? [19:48] a 250w psu can provide up to 250w but will only provide what is needed - so the same hardware will use the same amount of power with any psu [19:50] ok so a weaker one will not save me any electricity [19:53] im not an electricity expert as you might see :) but why is my PSU getting so hot then, when i just use a small amount of its capability? [19:53] nope [19:54] is the fan working? [19:54] how old is it? is it a cheap brand? [19:55] yes, i have no problems with it, i was just wondering [19:55] i mean if i just use a small amount of its capabilities couldn't i shut off its fan then? [19:57] no - the fan is necessary to cool the psu at any working load and it helps to move air out of the pc as well [20:01] ok, you are probably right, i just thought it was funny when my psu got really hot when i shut it's fan down, although i couldn't be using much of it's capabilities [20:04] ere4si: i also thought that that in a way was the way the fan-less PSU's work [20:04] i mean that they work far under their capabilities and in that way can work without a fan [20:07] ere4si: dont know if u answered me, got disconnected [20:08] what's your cpu aladdinsane ? [20:08] celeron 2.1GHz [20:08] socket 478 [20:09] can use up to 90 w - the fan is needed unles the psu was designed without one [20:10] i have a temp regulated fan there, runs very slow [20:10] find an online power consumption calculator and you will be suprised [20:14] ere4si: no i believe you, but i just thought cause it is designed to be able to handle up to 5 hhd's, or at least there are 5 cables for it, it must be working a lot under it capabilities right now [21:12] I'm sort of confused about manual partitioning could someone help me out? [21:12] well that and I'm completely new to linux [21:12] what are you confused about? [21:12] I'd like to setup an install on three drives [21:12] I want full read write access to a 500 GB one and a 200 GB one, but it stuck them in root for some reason [21:13] then I want the os on my 80GB one [21:13] what would be the best way to configure that? [21:13] oh that and I'd like to use JFS for the file system [21:14] why jfs? [21:14] well I wanted something fast and it said it was when I looked at all the other file systems through wikipedia [21:14] I download a lot of movies and stuff [21:14] should I use something else? [21:16] it's for desktop use mainly [21:16] I guess [21:16] ext3 is far more well tested and reliable... generally, I think, you should stick with that unless you have a really good reason [21:16] okay.. hmm [21:17] I doubt there will be a noticeable difference in performance for just watching movies [21:17] what about opengl games? [21:17] oh also what should I make the mount points for the two larger drives [21:18] I accidently made one /media [21:18] on my first try [21:18] but I'm going to reinstall everything [21:18] zuzma: make them whatever you want.... perhaps /home, or perhaps something in /srv [21:18] would that give me full read write access? [21:18] if i made those two drives /home? [21:18] sorry [21:19] I kinda want to treat them as a dump for my videos and games [21:19] you can't have two volumes mounted in a single folder without using something like lvm or something else [21:19] oh I see [21:20] anyway, whereever you mount them you can change the permissions so that you can write there [21:20] what about making the mount point /home/desktop/video ? [21:20] OHH! [21:21] damnit I should of known it was that easy : ( [21:21] I suspect I set some manual mountpoints like /shared/500g, and /shared/200g [21:22] you can also change the mountpoints without reinstalling (or even restarting) [21:22] once mounted simply do something like a chown -R username:username /shared [21:23] where username is your username [21:23] wow confusing, but I think I'll just do it a simple and not use a mount point the system needs :P [21:23] I tried fixing it through fstab, but that didn't work [21:23] xubuntu 7.10 - can't use brasero to burn audio cd from mp3 files, any takers? [21:24] ah well thanks so much for the help guys. I'll give it a go again :D [21:24] i have a 2.5 gig "unallocated" section of my hdd that i'd like to install xubuntu on, the xubuntu installed calls this space "unusable" - how do i go about making this usable? [21:24] installer* [21:25] taggartbg2: I would guess it is unusable because of the layout of your other partitions... You would need to figure out what is making it unusable and then change things [21:26] do an 'sudo sfdisk -l' and post that on pastebin [21:27] how do I get the output of a command to output to a file again? [21:28] can i get my xp to be the standard boot? right now it boot directly into xubuntu [21:30] aladinsano: do you use the standard grub bootloader? [21:31] would anyone like to help me with a brasero audo cd burning issue? [21:31] hi [21:31] audio* [21:35] zoredache: can you read an abiword document? [21:36] !pastebin | taggartbg2 [21:36] taggartbg2: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [21:37] no need to create a document, just use pastebin [21:38] !pastebin [21:38] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [21:38] ah, i see, ok [21:39] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57119/ [21:39] 1 partition is vista, 1 is a dell recovery partition, 1 is dell bios settings, 1 is for Dell Media Direct, 1 is unallocated where I want to install xubuntu [21:41] taggartbg2: I don't see any unallocated partitions... [21:42] zoredache: in vista i shrunk the recovery partition and according to vista disk manager there is a 2.5ish gb unallocated partition [21:42] there is a hole between 967 and 1315, but you won't be able to use it [21:42] in xubuntu when i tried to install, sda4 says "unusable" [21:42] how do i go about making it usable? [21:43] you can only have 4 primary partitions, or three partitions and an extended partition [21:43] you already have 3 primary + extended... you can't have another [21:43] lame [21:43] hmmm [21:43] what's the difference between an extended and a primary? [21:43] an extended partition can contain logical drives [21:44] it is kind of a sub-partition [21:44] ah, i see [21:44] you can have many of those [21:44] so can you tell which (sda1-5) is what vista calls the "unallocated" partition? [21:44] its either 4 or 5 [21:45] sda5 is your recovery partition [21:45] sda2 is the recovery, because thats the 8 gig one [21:45] if you have a backup on cds you could delete that [21:47] hmm, ok, thanks for all the help, i'm going to consult with dell and see what recovery options they provide for me other than that partition, i don't know exactly how all of their disks and such work [21:47] i'm new to dell [21:47] hrm... well I am not entirely sure then... But I am sure that you aren't going to create any more partitions right now [21:48] it might be easier to simply install a second drive [21:48] if you have or can afford a spare [21:49] its a notebook :-\ [21:50] I'm having a problem burning mp3s as an audio cd using brasero. Its weird, because i have no problem playing them. Would anyone like to help me with this issue? [21:50] ah [21:54] i'm seeing another problem here [21:54] the window manager is not recognizing all of the space on the partitions [21:54] it says RECOVERY is less than a gig, but its 8 gigs [21:54] it says OS is only 111 gigs, but its over 130 [21:54] DellUtility is about right [21:55] and MEDIADIRECT is missing a gig as well [21:56] GParted recognizes all of the space though, so I'm not sure [21:56] I wouldn't worry about it too much [21:57] ah, ok [21:57] so just to verify, there's no way to have 4 primary partitions and an extended? [21:58] no [21:59] what about installing xubuntu on an extended partition? [22:00] taggartbg2: you mean logical-drive... you could do that, but you dont' have space in your extentded paritition [22:00] i have 2.44 gigs of unallocated space [22:01] yes, but it isn't in your extended partition... it is between two other partitions [22:01] is it possible to partition that to be a second extended partition where i could install xubuntu on a logical drive? [22:01] taggartbg2: no, only one extdended per drive is allowed [22:01] hmm [22:02] what about using Acronis or something to move OS and the extended partition leftwards, and extended the extended partition, and partition another logical drive onto the extended partition? [22:03] taggartbg2: yes, that is possible... I am not familar with those tools... [22:04] nice, there is hope! [22:04] i'll play around with Acronis and see what i can get out of it [22:04] well, I strongly suggest you get some kind of external backup system before you start using those... I have heard of those tools trashing things [22:04] good call [22:22] n8 [23:28] i already have my drive partitioned going into xubuntu installer from cd, but it won't detect the drive from the partitioner [23:28] 7.10, is this a recurring problem? [23:31] penguino: generally that means that your disk controller isn't supported [23:33] i've been able to install 6.06 before, this is the first time with this problem [23:35] hey, having an issue with audacity freezing when i hit record. everything else works, mic works. audacity record and play (and playback works) through oss layer of alsa (default config.) [23:50] * eldalion [23:51] * eldalion prout [23:58] ?