[01:31] <fdoving> am i the only one with a broken kdm/something on hardy? - it pisses me off when it freezes when i change from X to some vt, and when i logout from kde (to kdm). grr.
[02:16] <nixternal> does anyone know if the KOrganizer MSExchange Plugin is installed as a part of KOrganizer, or is there a package for it somewhere?
[02:41] <nixternal> has 3.5.9 been backported to Gutsy by chance?
[02:53] <nixternal> Hobbsee or ScottK: since Riddell isn't around, what do you think about bug 138950
[02:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138950 in kdepim "[gutsy] Search for 'email' in gnome-app-install does not find kontact" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138950
[03:20] <vorian> yay!
[03:20] <vorian> done with work for the day
[03:20] <vorian> man this week was long
[04:05] <nixternal> woo, up to 106 fixed bugs!
[04:21] <vorian> nixternal: you teh awesome
[07:04] <ScottK2> nixternal: 105.  That akregator thing still happens for me.
[07:07] <nixternal> which one is that?
[07:07] <nixternal> I have worked on so much akregator stuff
[07:10] <ScottK2> Bug #82594
[07:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82594 in kdepim "Akregrator starts automatically in Feisty" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82594
[07:16] <nixternal> are you using 3.5.9?
[07:16] <ScottK2> Yes
[07:17] <ScottK2> I even updated one more time just to be sure right before I tested it.
[07:18] <nixternal> hrmm, if I fire up Kontact, it doesn't start..if I fire up Akregator, then log out and log back on, Akregator isn't starting back up
[07:18] <nixternal> if it is still doing it, then it is the KDE save state that is getting you and not akregator
[07:19] <ScottK2> Start Kontact.  Don't start Akregator.  Reboot with Kontact running.  I get Akregator running after the reboot.
[07:19] <ScottK2> That's slightly different than what you describe testing.
[07:20] <nixternal> hrmm, I don't get that...it must be a stuck config possibly for you?
[07:20] <nixternal> Akregator doesn't start up here until I tell it to
[07:20] <nixternal> I even have "Show Icon" selected
[07:20] <ScottK2> Unlikely since I've never used Akregator on that machine, I think it's unlikely
[07:20] <ScottK2> It's all default and it does it with more than one user.
[07:21]  * nixternal gives it another shot
[07:23] <nixternal> OK, does it automatically check your feeds or no?
[07:24] <nixternal> it doesn't check my feeds until I actually hit the "check all feeds" button
[07:25] <nixternal> nixternal@ShakaDoobie:~$ ps -e |grep akregator
[07:25] <nixternal> nixternal@ShakaDoobie:~$
[07:25] <nixternal> nada
[07:25] <ScottK2> Weird.  For me as soon as it's running I have the Akgregator icon telling me how many unread I have.
[07:25] <serega> Hey
[07:26] <ScottK2> I'll try and fiddle with it some more and see if I can replicate it on another box.
[07:26] <nixternal> I have the Akregator icon, but it isn't checking my feeds until I hit the downloads
[07:26] <nixternal> hiya serega
[07:26] <nixternal> well, one thing too about Akregator, none of the KDE 3 bugs are going to be fixed upstream apparently either
[07:26] <ScottK2> nixternal: If you have the icon, then Akregator is running.
[07:27] <ScottK2> That's a bug.
[07:27]  * nixternal thinks it is time to write a solid feed reader
[07:27] <ScottK2> I'm outta gas.  I'm off to bed.  Good night.
[07:27] <nixternal> ScottK2: I can have it not show the icon, but akregator isn't showing up anywhere as running
[07:27] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:27] <ScottK2> So why does the icon show up?
[07:27] <nixternal> cuz I tell it to
[07:28] <ScottK2> But I never did.
[07:28] <nixternal> ahhhh, I see what you are saying
[07:28] <ScottK2> Really going to bed now.
[07:28] <nixternal> I didn't start it actually before I logged out
[07:28] <nixternal> however it did show up
[07:28] <ScottK> Yes.
[07:28] <ScottK> Not there before reboot.  There after.  Not what it should be.
[07:28] <nixternal> still isn't checking anything, and akregator doesn't show in sys info until I run a feed grab
[07:29] <ScottK> It's doing something it wasn't before.
[07:29] <ScottK> Off to bed.  No.  Really.
[07:29] <nixternal> I see what you are saying, then I guess that is a bug, the icon shouldn't start up, but you can prevent the icon and it not checking by selecting those 2 options
[07:29] <serega> where to file issues of hardy? I believe there is separate bugtracker
[07:29] <nixternal> hehe, g'nite
[07:29] <nixternal> nope
[07:29] <nixternal> serega: all the same bug tracker
[07:29] <serega> ScottK: good night
[07:30] <serega> oh, ok, how do we know the issue is about hardy? tags?
[07:31] <nixternal> add the information that is a hardy bug, or start off the subject of the report with [Hardy], or as you said, tag it as hardy :)
[07:31] <serega> thanks ;)
[08:18]  * serega masters packaging voodoo
[08:42] <jussi01> Riddell: good morning sir!
[08:47] <Riddell> hola
[08:50] <serega> Riddell: hey, Jonathan
[09:30] <serega> I am performing "pbuilder create --distribution hardy". is it right distribution?
[09:38] <serega> I mean doesn't it point to GNOME-based one?
[09:44] <hunger> serega: I am no expert, but I think you are doing the right thing.
[09:44] <hunger> serega: AFAIK the pbuilder is a very bare bones system that pulls in everything listed as a build dependency in the deb you are building.
[10:30] <Hobbsee> serega: it is, yes
[10:33] <serega> oh... I see. The first "pbuilder build" is downloading kubuntu now :)
[10:36] <Hobbsee> pbuilder is dm-neutral
[10:40] <yao_ziyuan> poor smarter, where r u
[10:41] <yao_ziyuan> but since smarter has pointed out how to install input methods in kubuntu correctly:
[10:41] <yao_ziyuan> install scim-skim-pinyin
[10:41] <yao_ziyuan> QT_IM_MODULE=...
[10:41] <yao_ziyuan> GTK_IM_MODULE=...
[10:42] <yao_ziyuan> you developers should already know how to fix that bug
[10:43] <Hobbsee> yao_ziyuan: patches accepted.
[10:43] <yao_ziyuan> sigh
[10:43] <Hobbsee> sigh back.
[10:45] <yao_ziyuan> anyone with a fresh kubuntu please do this experiment:
[10:45] <yao_ziyuan> install the package scim-skim-pinyin
[10:45] <yao_ziyuan> then go to Konsole,
[10:45] <serega> Hobbsee: yes, I understand. It's just dependencies of my package :)
[10:45] <yao_ziyuan> press Ctrl+Space, and then type "wo"
[10:45] <Hobbsee> sarah@saturn:~% apt-cache show scim-skim-pinyin                          9:45PM
[10:45] <Hobbsee> W: Unable to locate package scim-skim-pinyin
[10:45] <Hobbsee> E: No packages found
[10:46] <Hobbsee> sarah@saturn:~% apt-cache search scim-skim                               9:45PM
[10:46] <Hobbsee> sarah@saturn:~%
[10:46] <Hobbsee> ?
[10:46] <yao_ziyuan> or skim-scim-pinyin
[10:46] <Hobbsee> freeflying: did you have a patch still for uploading for skim, btw?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> yao_ziyuan: ah yes, that actually exists.
[10:47] <yao_ziyuan> install that package
[10:47] <yao_ziyuan> and "smarter" says he then gets chinese input
[10:48] <yao_ziyuan> go to a text field like the one in Run Command
[10:48]  * Hobbsee wonders why smarter hasn't provided a patch either yet, then.
[10:48] <yao_ziyuan> right-click it, select "Input Method" in the menu
[10:48] <Hobbsee> smarter is a dev, no?
[10:48] <yao_ziyuan> smarter is someone here days ago
[10:48] <yao_ziyuan> but i haven't seen him since
[10:49] <Hobbsee> blink
[10:49] <Hobbsee> mq, you suck.
[10:49] <yao_ziyuan> Hobbsee: after installing that package,
[10:50] <emonkey> yao_ziyuan, I've installed that package but it happens nothing if I press ctrl-space and type wo
[10:50] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: in a text box?
[10:50] <emonkey> in a konsole
[10:50] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: maybe a re-login is needed
[10:50] <emonkey> ok, then I'll try that later
[10:50] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: in Run Command's text field, right click, and in the "Input Method" menu select "SCIM"
[10:51] <yao_ziyuan> K Menu -> Run Command -> Right click in the text box -> Select "Select Input Method" -> Select "Smart Common Input Method"
[10:52] <emonkey> Yes I did that
[10:52] <yao_ziyuan> i think the best way is to go to #ubuntu-devel and call for help
[10:52] <yao_ziyuan> since ubuntu developers know better in scim setup
[10:53] <emonkey> o_O I don't need it, i just want to help testing the package ...
[10:53] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: "smarter" said after installing that package he could type chinese ...
[10:54] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: by selecting "scim" in the right click menu of a text box
[10:54] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: and for k apps that don't offer a "Select Input Method" right-click menu item, he can use "QT_IM_MODULE=scim" to solve it
[10:55] <emonkey> konversation offers this option too
[10:55] <emonkey> but I don't how its possible to type chinese ...
[10:55] <blizzzek> that bulletproofx-thing in hardy is half-working. i can configure it, but a blank black screen follows. when i restart kdm via tty, it starts with the configured settings.
[11:01] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: if you ctrl+space and type "wo" and some chinese characters show up in a floating window, you succeed
[11:03] <yao_ziyuan> i recall now
[11:03] <yao_ziyuan> what 'smarter' said is this:
[11:03] <yao_ziyuan> 1. install "skim-scim-pinyin"
[11:03] <emonkey> done
[11:03] <yao_ziyuan> 2. possibily restart your session or computer
[11:03] <emonkey> not done, but I'll do that lazer
[11:03] <yao_ziyuan> 3. in K Menu -> Run Command, press Ctrl+Space, and type "wo", you should see chinese chars popping up
[11:04] <yao_ziyuan> emonkey: you're in kubuntu right?
[11:04] <emonkey> of course I've got nothin else ;)
[11:04] <yao_ziyuan> i'm watching a downloaded movie now.
[11:33] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I prefer to sync from sid
[11:33] <Hobbsee> freeflying: right.  did that get done?
[11:34] <freeflying> Hobbsee: yes, it hit the archie today
[11:34] <Hobbsee> oh good
[11:35] <freeflying> Hobbsee: and also I hope to drop skim out of cd, and make it install after scim, then it can work fine in kubuntu now
[11:35] <Hobbsee> nice
[11:36] <freeflying> Hobbsee: or we'd have a postinst in language-pack-kde-zh, make it call the configure of skim, then everything will be ok(for CJK user)
[11:36]  * Hobbsee nods
[11:37] <freeflying> Hobbsee: do we need to talk with pitt
[11:38] <Hobbsee> freeflying: unsure.  ask him anyway
[11:38] <freeflying> or ArneGoetje, he is the right one now in charge of CJK support in canonical
[11:40] <freeflying> Hobbsee: can we have a stable kde4 livecd now?
[11:42] <Hobbsee> unsure, tbh
[11:42] <Hobbsee> i think so
[11:47] <serega> every "pbuilder build" it reinstalls a bunch of packages, is it normal?
[11:49] <freeflying> serega: pbuilder has a bit difference between buildd
[11:50] <jpatrick> afternoon
[11:50] <serega> do you mean somebody made changes to some packages between two builds?
[11:50] <freeflying> serega: no, I mean the way they work
[11:51] <freeflying> jpatrick: hi
[11:51] <serega> jpatrick: hi
[11:51] <jpatrick> :-)
[11:52] <serega> freeflying: so I should just ignore that?
[11:52] <serega> btw, very nice book "The Ubuntu Packaging Guide"
[11:53] <freeflying> serega: not sure :)
[11:54] <jpatrick> serega: there's a book on that?
[11:54] <serega> freeflying: oh... I'll dig on that :)
[11:55] <serega> jpatrick: yes, it is. nice PDF
[11:55] <jpatrick> serega: where?
[11:55] <serega> jpatrick: as I can see it is formed from several ubuntu wiki articles
[11:55] <serega> sec..
[11:56] <serega> jpatrick: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/pdf/ubuntu/C/packagingguide.pdf
[11:56] <jpatrick> serega: ahh, that's _old_, I helped write bits of it
[11:56] <serega> jpatrick: well done, it's really very good
[11:57] <jpatrick> serega: might be a bit outdated..
[11:57] <serega> jpatrick: how do you think, doesn't it outdated?
[11:57] <serega> :(
[11:57] <serega> jpatrick: what can you advice to absolute beginner?
[11:58] <serega> in packaging
[11:58] <jpatrick> serega: wait, I'm trying to get one I wrote on alioth
[12:00] <jpatrick> serega: enjoy: http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/kubuntu-tutorials-day-packaging.pdf
[12:00] <serega> jpatrick: thank you!
[12:01] <serega> I think it is the first thing to read for newcomers
[12:01] <serega> my greatest troubles and delays was about misunderstanding of packaging issues
[12:01] <jpatrick> "tutorials day"
[12:01] <serega> :(
[12:01] <jpatrick> packaging is an art :)
[12:02] <serega> jpatrick: it a magic :)
[12:02] <serega> *it's
[12:02] <jpatrick> any problems just ask us :)
[12:02] <serega> thanks, guys
[12:03] <jpatrick> and hopefully you day you'll join the...
[12:03] <jpatrick> !motu
[12:03] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[12:05] <serega> jpatrick: kool))
[12:05] <serega> I have some packages to add to universe...
[12:05] <jpatrick> oh, we're in feature freeze right now, so they'll be for ibix
[12:06] <serega> it's ok, the main problem I have no packages at all and cannot make it :)
[12:06] <serega> drivers for my printer
[12:14] <blizzzek> w00t, in hardy, every mouseclick is a doubleclick...
[12:41] <yao_ziyuan> i've done watching that movie
[12:41] <yao_ziyuan> glad to see you guys settle that bug
[12:46] <yao_ziyuan> so i can quit bothering this channel any more
[12:46] <jpatrick> hmm
[12:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you're on crack
[12:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: please use bughelper for finding crash dupes.
[12:52] <Hobbsee> for your own sanity.
[12:52] <Hobbsee> there are recipes on hwo to do it - ask dholbach, or look them up yourself
[12:56] <Hobbsee> !visternal
[12:56] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[12:57] <jussi01> hehe
[12:58] <Hobbsee> these crazy people who do by hand what there are tools for.
[13:23] <iRon> Quassel alpha is out! Trying it now..
[14:44] <jpatrick> iRon: ooh, quassel
[14:44] <iRon> yep :)
[14:44]  * jpatrick still prefers irssi
[15:06] <serega> jpatrick: is there a centralized store of "Packaging 101" logs? I would like to make a russian translation for them
[15:07] <jpatrick> serega: I have the latex source if that's what you want
[15:07] <serega> jpatrick: It would be great
[15:08]  * jpatrick msgs
[15:15] <jpatrick> gah, everyone loves my latex
[15:16] <Jucato> (kinky)
[15:16] <jpatrick> Jucato: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dragonplayer.html
[15:16] <Jucato> woot :)
[15:18] <jpatrick> serega, IppatsuMan: please send your translations to jpatrick@kubuntu.org so I can tell everyone else
[15:19] <serega> jpatrick: okay
[15:20] <IppatsuMan> jpatrick: ok :)
[15:22] <Jucato> jpatrick: okies
[15:22] <jpatrick> Jucato: ?
[15:23] <Jucato> oh I thought we were playing a game.. "say 'ok' to jpatrick"
[15:23] <jpatrick> Jucato: rofl
[17:23] <jpatrick> Riddell: I have a problem with kubuntu-es.org..
[18:23] <jpatrick> hi jjesse
[18:24] <jjesse> hello jpatrick
[18:24] <jjesse> any suggestions from anyone on how to troublshoot sounds not working after resuming hibernation or suspend on gutsy?
[18:28] <ryanakca> Any suggestion from anyone on how to run amarok in KDE4?
[18:28] <jjesse> ryanakca: it just runs in my gutsy kde4
[18:28] <jjesse> but that is the kde3 version of amarok
[18:28] <ryanakca> eh, nevermind, bug 191327 also happens in hardy
[18:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191327 in kdelibs "7.10: en_CA causes KDE apps to fail to start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191327
[18:31] <ryanakca> jjesse: umm... d'you know if its kernel related or ?
[18:32] <ryanakca> jjesse: try running this and then checking for anything unusual http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Aadebug
[18:35] <jjesse> running script now
[18:36] <jjesse> what am i looking for in that script?
[18:37] <crimsun_> that's the wrong script
[18:37] <crimsun_> you want the one mentioned in the DebuggingSoundProblems wiki
[18:37] <crimsun_> (alsa-info.sh)
[18:38] <ryanakca> jjesse: crimsun_ == sound genius, don't listen to me :)
[18:38] <crimsun_> (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingSoundProblems)
[18:40] <jjesse> crimsun_: ok working on that script
[18:42] <jjesse> interseting getting an unxpected operator when i run that script
[18:43] <crimsun_> you need to run it with bash as noted.
[18:44] <jjesse> ah sorry missed it
[18:44] <jjesse> sould problely read everything
[18:54] <jjesse> interseting script appears to be just sitting after i run it
[19:00] <crimsun_> did you use --no-upload?
[19:01] <jjesse> crimsun_: yes i did
[19:01] <jjesse> and it "sits" after i hit yes to run the script
[19:01] <crimsun_> ugh, so we need a sane state.  Are you able to reboot, then run that script?
[19:01] <jjesse> yeah i could
[19:02] <jjesse> but sound works after i reboot
[19:02] <jjesse> its only after resuming from hibernate/suspend
[19:02] <crimsun_> right, but we need a debugging starting point.
[19:02] <jjesse> ok rebooting
[19:02] <crimsun_> if we can't pull the necessary info, it doesn't really matter
[19:04] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I do use bughelper, not the biggest fan of it, but when it works it works
[19:05] <jjesse> and back
[19:05] <jjesse> ok ran script where does it dump the data?
[19:06] <nixternal> sound problems I take it if you are dumping data for crimsun_ to look at
[19:06] <jjesse> yes
[19:06] <nixternal> !pastebin
[19:06] <nixternal> :p
[19:06] <nixternal> that's where I always put it
[19:06] <jjesse> yeah i ran the script w/ --no-upload
[19:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[19:08] <jjesse> nixternal: don't have to go thorugh chicago today to travel... heading directly to atlanta :)
[19:09] <jjesse> ok time to get ready to board be back when in hotel
[19:13] <ryanakca> heh, he's always flying / travelling
[19:18] <crimsun_> I thought I would be doing less travelling, but oh no.
[19:18] <crimsun_> I guess that's what happens.
[19:31] <nixternal> anyone with gutsy able to confirm bug 194830
[19:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194830 in kubuntu-meta "usb stick not displayed anymore" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194830
[20:55] <nixternal> hey, on a good note, all of those krunner crashes that delt with threading, well aseigo has seemingly fixed them and we should see them in 4.0.3! wooohoooo!
[20:56] <nixternal> on a bad not, using images2mpg in kipi-tools sure can stress a cpu
[20:56] <nixternal> ScottK: on another good note, the akregator icon issue has been fixed in trunk :) but we won't see that until 4.1
[20:59] <ScottK2> nixternal: Sounds great actually.
[20:59] <nixternal> and on one more note, the mpg I just created, well it doesn't work in any player I have :p
[20:59] <nixternal> bbiaf
[20:59] <nixternal> break time
[21:13] <jpatrick> anyone know a good ssh host with irssi?
[21:21] <jpatrick> wb stdin
[21:22] <stdin> for some reason kwin thinks I've got a key constantly pressed and only logout/in will fix it
[21:22] <stdin> not fun when it thinks that key is F12 and I have yakuake running
[21:22] <jpatrick> err :-/ :)
[22:21] <xRaich[o]2x> Hi. Is it normal that a lot of kde4 apps link against glib?
[22:27] <xRaich[o]2x> I think it's pretty odd because the KDE team wanted the avahi team not to depend on glib.
[22:37]  * Nightrose is back home from fosdem
[22:37] <Nightrose> it was great :)
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> were you in that KDE group photo?
[22:41] <Nightrose> jep
[22:41] <Nightrose> lying next to riddell
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:41] <Nightrose> we had _a lot_ of fun