[00:14] <CorruptTerrorist> anyone here used wubi to install 8.04?
[00:15] <CorruptTerrorist> as wubi downloads the x64 image instead of the x86
[00:17] <CorruptTerrorist> should i install the x64 or the x86 if i have an intel q6600 quad core?
[00:17] <h3sp4wn_> Upto you
[00:18] <CorruptTerrorist> but wubi downloads the x64
[00:19] <CorruptTerrorist> can i get past it just by downloading the 32bit and placing it in the same folder?
[00:22] <h3sp4wn_> try it
[00:34] <Amaranth> CorruptTerrorist: why does it matter?
[00:35] <Amaranth> CorruptTerrorist: wubi is not supposed to be a permanent environment, just for playing with for a couple weeks
[00:35] <Amaranth> and you have flash and java support
[00:35] <Amaranth> the only thing i can think of you lose out on is skype but there are ways to get that too
[00:39] <h3sp4wn_> There is no working java plugin as of yesterday
[00:39] <CorruptTerrorist> ?
[00:39] <h3sp4wn_> (Simple to just use a 32 bit firefox)
[00:39] <h3sp4wn_> actually not as simple as it should be
[00:42] <CorruptTerrorist> but can i just download the 32 bit iso?
[01:03] <wastrel> java
[01:24] <CorruptTerrorist> is wubi on the alpha 5 cd?
[01:27] <ethana3> i think so, yes
[02:06] <Kuni> hey everybody, I've got a problem! :)
[02:07] <Kuni> Seems after using headphones, I no longer have stereo sound.
[02:07] <Kuni> only the right speaker works both on my laptop and on my headphones. After multiple reboots, too.
[02:12] <Kuni> wow
[02:12] <Kuni> muting and then unmuting fixed it
[02:12] <Kuni> nevermind! :)
[02:28] <sn0> is there somewhere where the older alphas are kept? i want to install something pre-alpha 5 to confirm a bug report
[02:29] <sn0> if anyone else has experienced this, there used to be a launcher icon on the top bar to launch firefox, after upgrading an earlier alpha the icon changed to a launcher icon, which now gives an error as per bug 194927
[02:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194927 in ubuntu "Error: Could not launch application: Not a launchable item" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194927
[02:31] <wastrel> sn0: i got that iirc
[02:32] <wastrel> gone now though, and i didn't think anything about it
[02:32] <sn0> wastrel you experience the same ?
[02:32] <wastrel> i did yes but i forget when, and what the error was
[02:33] <sn0> it might have been alpha 4, im not 100% sure, but i cannot find a download for alpha 4
[02:37] <sn0> i just deleted an earlier iso today too :<
[02:37] <wastrel> i just run hardy i haven't been in "testing" mode
[02:38] <zero-9376> is there any way to stop hardy automatically placing 'shortcuts' for shares i access as if i had used the connect to server dialog
[02:38] <sn0> it was actually tracker that reminded me, i noticed it doesn't take mouse focus when you click on the tracker icon
[02:38] <Laney> sn0: Do you mean bug 193902?
[02:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193902 in firefox-3.0 "[Hardy alpha5] Firefox launcher is broken (on the top menu)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193902
[02:39] <sn0> Laney that looks like it!
[02:39] <zero-9376> i access many computers during a day but they are most often not the same ones, im hoping there is a gconf key associated with this behaviour
[02:39] <Laney> It was on the alpha 5 release notes ;)
[02:41] <wastrel> what's tracker
[02:41] <sn0> Laney that explains firefox, something must have changed as in bug 194927 a similar problem remains on the livecd with the gparted being launched from the menu
[02:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194927 in ubuntu "Error: Could not launch application: Not a launchable item" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194927
[02:43] <zero-9376> anyone know anything about this, i like to keep my desktop sparse with just my drives and regular folders i dont want these network folders popping up there every time i connect to a different computer
[02:44] <Laney> sn0: I'd guess they are separate, but I don't know enough about the LiveCD to be sure. It just looks like a problem with the su-to-root program.
[02:44] <sn0> ok Laney that makes sense for me, thanks
[02:45] <sn0> wastrel traker is the program that index's your hard disk and files
[02:45] <wastrel> beagle
[02:46] <sn0> beagle was replaced some time ago, some releases ago maybe
[02:46] <wastrel> i don't pay attention to those things
[02:46] <sn0> Laney any chance you know where to download old alphas ? :) would be useful to know
[02:46] <Laney> sn0: I'm not sure... Perhaps you could find an old torrent somewhere. I think they're deleted from the mirrors once superseded
[02:47] <Laney> sn0: Yeah, there's a torrent on mininova :)
[02:47] <sn0> the internet updates so quick these days that its hard to find older files, pity archive.org doesn't archive isos :)
[02:48] <Laney> You probably want to verify the md5sum somehow though...
[02:48] <sn0> indeed
[02:54] <DanaG> I get the same right-channel-only thing after suspend and resume.  Twiddling 'mute' does fix it.
[03:03] <BaD_CrC> i wonder what the issue is here. i'm running hardy and i don't know if it's a nautilus or ntfs-3g thing, or even a possibility of both, but even on a Intel C2Q Q6600 running x86 version, i get all 4 cores maxed out at 100% and the system becomes very sluggish when copying or moving files between ntfs and ext3 drives.
[03:05] <sn0> BaD_CrC have you tried copying files without using ntfs-3g and just mounted with ntfs instead?
[03:06] <BaD_CrC> when i 'move' files it needs delete permissions and the regular ntfs driver wont be nice to me like that.
[03:07] <sn0> well you mention copy too, so it may show where the problem stems from
[03:07] <BaD_CrC> delete=write=!ntfs -> ntfs-3g
[03:07] <Laney> Well you can try using cp to eliminiate (or not) nautilus
[03:08] <Laney> I do see the same slowness using nautilus though :(
[03:08] <BaD_CrC> 5915 john      20   0  162m  76m  28m S   20  99.0 120:31.24 nautilus
[03:08] <BaD_CrC> 29825 root      20   0  3944 1236  652 S    4  99.0  23:27.11 mount.ntfs-3g
[03:09] <sn0> ouch, is it only in hardy BaD_CrC ?
[03:09] <BaD_CrC> just kinda annoying that when doing weekly backups it brings my system to its knees
[03:09] <Laney> Nah, Gutsy too
[03:09] <BaD_CrC> sn0: i haven't tried it in gutsy or on my debian/sid box
[03:10] <BaD_CrC> i'll play with it on the debian/sid box when i go back to work on monday
[03:10] <DanaG> ntfs-3g has always been painful when I've used it.
[03:10] <DanaG> It only uses a lot of one core, though -- it leaves my other one free.
[03:11] <sn0> compared to captive-ntfs ntfs-3g has been a dream for me personally
[03:11] <BaD_CrC> it'd be nice if they'd focus more on the ntfs writing abilities and just incorporate it directly into the kernel tree
[03:12] <BaD_CrC> it'd probably have to be a restricted-module though :(
[03:14] <BaD_CrC> i'm gonna reboot and try something. :P wish me luck.
[03:22] <Meow> i get an error each time i boot the installation
[03:23] <Meow> The installation has failed. Logs have been saved in: /ubuntu/installation-logs.zip.
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[03:24] <nomasteryoda> wow
[03:24] <nomasteryoda> nice to see seahorse is installed by default on hardy
[03:24] <nomasteryoda> that puppy makes keys so simple
[03:25] <CorruptTerrorist> any help?
[03:29] <wastrel> seahorse and puppy
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[03:30] <CorruptTerrorist> can anyone help me?
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> with?
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> the question is what?
[03:31] <CorruptTerrorist> The installation has failed. Logs have been saved in: /ubuntu/installation-logs.zip.
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:31] <CorruptTerrorist> but i can't find it
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> i've not had such happen...
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> oh
[03:32] <CorruptTerrorist> i'm using wubi btw
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> wait, maybe its in /home/ubuntu/
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> if you are in windows... maybe hidden under your local settings folder
[03:33] <CorruptTerrorist> which would be where?
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> if the installer behaves like a normal windows program
[03:33] <CorruptTerrorist> it boots itself
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> right
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> the installer starts in windows, makes an image for ubuntu on your system... a single file
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> and adds the boot parts to the windows boot loader
[03:34] <CorruptTerrorist> yep
[03:35] <DanaG> Here's what I need: a WUBI that can install to a partition.
[03:36] <DanaG> i.e. I want instlux, but all that that site offers is Dapper.
[03:37] <CorruptTerrorist> i'll try to get the log... brb
[03:38] <heret1c> 'lo
[03:46] <DanaG> WTF?
[03:47] <heret1c> wot.
[03:47] <DanaG> I just had all my input devices freeze for about 30 seconds... but my panel was still showing stuff animated (such as the tracker icon).
[03:47] <DanaG> psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away.
[03:48] <DanaG> Oh great, and now all my touchpad settings have all been lost, since apparently my touchpad is no longer a touchpad.
[03:48] <heret1c> alpha 5?
[03:49] <DanaG> I'm using whatever's on the repos.  I don't install specific alphas; I just dist-upgrade.
[03:50] <heret1c> likeliest a bug in x, don't u think? what dmesg say?
[03:50] <DanaG> Synaptics driver lost sync... got gigantic packet!
[03:50] <DanaG> in xorg log.
[03:52] <DanaG> viva la ctrl-alt-backspace.
[03:53] <heret1c> <fx> rousing cheer
[03:57] <heret1c> wonder if I've found a bug my lappy has a physically broken display, so I use an external monitor. jave put a card beneath the screen so that it presses the "screen lid closed" button. so integral display shows, but it shouldn't.
[03:58] <heret1c> not very important, but annoying.
[04:30] <ethana3> my ISP is evil
[04:30] <ethana3> can transmission use the highest, most powerful level of encryption possible?
[04:33] <heret1c> where are you?
[04:33] <ethana3> alaska
[04:33] <ethana3> Clearw¡re
[04:34] <heret1c> Ah
[04:34] <ethana3> so until i move somewhere were i can get service from copowi
[04:34] <heret1c> what u mean by encryption? ssl?
[04:34] <ethana3> man, they might even block encrypted traffic
[04:34] <ethana3> uh
[04:34] <ethana3> it's like RC4 or something
[04:35] <ethana3> yeah, RC4
[04:36] <heret1c> use tor?
[04:36] <ethana3> uh
[04:36] <heret1c> the onion router
[04:36] <ethana3> i don't want to mess with tor if i can help it
[04:36] <ethana3> azureus can do RC4
[04:36] <ethana3> is it true that transmission cannot?
[04:37] <heret1c> tcp/ip?
[04:37] <ethana3> bittorent over TCP/IP
[04:37] <ethana3> well
[04:38] <ethana3> i don't /think/ it's UDP
[04:39] <heret1c> google around
[04:39] <heret1c> or clusty.
[04:40] <heret1c> wwwclustycom - best search engine imo
[04:41] <ethana3> ope, no bitcomet for linux
[04:41] <ethana3> If transmission would auto-detect ISP evilness and use any level of encryption needed automatically, it'd be awesome
[04:42] <ethana3> i think it's very nice, simple, and well integrated..
[04:42] <ethana3> ..so it'd be great if /I/ didn't even have to worry about it
[04:45] <silent_> Hardy seems a bit sluggish
[04:46] <heret1c> hdparm?
[04:46] <infinitycircuit> did the hardy updates break sudo autocomplete for anyone?
[04:47] <Pici> I'm using zsh, so... I don't know :/
[04:47] <heret1c> nope.
[04:48] <infinitycircuit> Pici, i've never been able to get sudo tab completion to work in zsh on any distro...if you can explain how you did that i'd love to switch over :)
[04:48] <silent_> what's up with the multitudes of free music on magnatune?
[04:48] <Pici> infinitycircuit: I didn't do anything special.
[04:49] <DanaG> Sudo tab-completion has ALWAYS been broken for me.
[04:49] <DanaG> (I use bash.)
[04:49] <silent_> DanaG: that's weird
[04:50] <DanaG> At least, I think it's always been broken for me.
[04:51] <ethana3> silent_: what?
[04:52] <ethana3> i use jamendo
[04:52] <ethana3> magnatune only for sampling via amarok
[04:52] <silent_> ethana3: are these things stores... or are they freely released music?
[04:52] <ethana3> magnatune is a store
[04:52] <ethana3> jamendo is Free music
[04:52] <ethana3> as Ubuntu is Free software
[04:52] <silent_> aye
[04:52] <silent_> why can I listen to music on magnatune?
[04:52] <ethana3> jamendo has over seven thousand albums
[04:52] <silent_> without paying cash
[04:53] <ethana3> because they Are Not Evil
[04:53] <silent_> -_-" Please explain
[04:53] <ethana3> i think they can explain better than myself
[04:53] <ethana3> www.magnatune.com
[04:54] <silent_> listen all you want
[04:54] <silent_> good enough for me
[04:54] <silent_> if I find something I like and I want to download it... there are other ways
[05:02] <ethana3> silent_: they acted in good faith, be sure not to betray it
[05:02] <ethana3> silent_: if you want Free music that does not already exist, create it
[05:02] <ethana3> the next major version of amarok brings jamendo integration
[05:02] <infinitycircuit> Pici, thanks for the tip it's all working out of the box with zsh
[05:03] <Pici> infinitycircuit: sure thing :)
[05:03] <ethana3> wait, does hardy use a different shell than gutsy?
[05:03] <Andre_Gondim> infinitycircuit, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=bash+completation&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[05:04] <DanaG> *segfault*
[05:04] <DanaG> *segfault
[05:04] <Pici> yikes
[05:04] <DanaG> Don't you just love Flash?
[05:04] <ethana3> Andre_Gondim: never before would i have recommended pastebin for the transmission of a hyperlink
[05:05] <Andre_Gondim> ethana3, just one link with the bug in Hardy Bash
[05:05] <ethana3> ;)
[05:05] <ethana3> so we haven't moved to zsh?
[05:05] <ethana3> i don't know what all the different shells are good for...
[05:05] <ethana3> i know we use dash for script files
[05:10] <DanaG> gaack, keyboard stuckage again.
[05:10] <DanaG> bug 190934
[05:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190934 in libgnomekbd "[hardy] keyboard modifiers randomly forgotten" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190934
[05:11] <silent_> ethana3: creating good music requires substantial amounts of psychoactive drugs. I'm not sure I'm up to the task
[05:13] <ethana3> silent_: we need software to do it
[05:13] <ethana3> silent_: a good creation suite should create art with three clicks, a random number generator, and a rating system
[05:13] <silent_> getting a hold of the software had been no problem, but finding acid and 2 pounds of weed was no easy task at 6:30 on a friday night in hollywood
[05:14] <Pici> !o4o
[05:14] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[05:15] <silent_> movies being an exception, sorry for not quoting
[05:15]  * heret1c dons his tinfoil hat
[05:16] <ethana3> man, i wonder how hard it'd be to find a bumper sticker to break all of those
[05:16] <ethana3> meh, not enough room
[05:16] <ethana3> ^_^
[05:17] <DanaG> o4o?  What does that stand for?
[05:17] <credible> !-o4o
[05:17] <ubotu> o4o is <alias> offtopic4offtopic - added by LjL on 2006-12-21 03:36:09
[05:18] <ethana3> ...so where do i go to discuss politics, drugs, and suicide??
[05:18] <ethana3> windows user groups
[05:18] <heret1c> !offtopic
[05:18] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[05:19] <ethana3> oh, nevermind-- that was two things, offtopic and offensive stuff; different
[05:19] <ethana3> i digress
[05:21] <ethana3> i'm going to see if alpha5 livecd can handle my machine properly...
[05:27] <DanaG> I really like the Heron wallpaper.
[05:27] <heret1c> octopussyish. :)
[05:28] <DanaG> I actually wish it were a bit brighter.
[05:28] <heret1c> gimpit.
[05:28] <DanaG> I tried color-picking from it to match my theme to it, but it made it darker than I like.
[05:29] <telexicon> yea its an excellent background
[05:37] <silent_> it's pretty funky
[05:37] <silent_> but I'm colourblind, so I probably don't have as much appreciation for it
[05:39] <DanaG> Well, it's mostly red and orange, and I don't think there's a red-orange colorblindness, is there?
[05:39] <DanaG> Red, orange, and yellow.
[05:40] <DanaG> With some white and grey, too.
[05:52] <nDuff> Is it intentional that /dev/vg01 is 0700 rather than 0755? It seems silly to have permissions on the /dev/<vg> directory be tighter than those on /dev/mapper.
[05:52] <nDuff> (also... anyone know offhand the udev rule responsible for creating that?)
[06:04] <heret1c> reset time.
[06:08] <Adys> ouch; can anyone try something not very safe? Open System -> Sound; Switch Sound Playback to ESD; click test; attempt to click OK (should just freeze there); then try killall gnome-sound-pro and watch the OS die more or less?
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[06:23] <P2502> when i kill frozen game, i often get frozen X
[06:24] <P2502> mmm is it possible to run 2 X copies? one for work and one for games, so i will not loose data
[06:30] <infinitycircuit> P2502, check out xserver-xephyr
[06:31] <zero-9376> is there a way to stop hardy automatically creating desktop icons for the network shares that i access
[06:31] <zero-9376> using alpha5
[06:32] <infinitycircuit> zero-9376, are you using kubuntu or ubuntu? since it's trivially easy in kde but i don't know about gnome
[06:32] <zero-9376> no using gnome
[06:32] <zero-9376> im hoping there is/will be a gconf key or something
[06:35] <zero-9376> its placing a desktop icon as though i had used the connect to server option, which is actually why i dont use that option
[06:36] <zero-9376> funnily enough that option doesn't appear in the places menu anymore
[06:40] <zero-9376> and the associated panel applet doesn't work because nautilus-connect-server is not available
[06:54] <P2502> infinitycircuit: thanks, but how to run it?
[06:54] <infinitycircuit> for example, to start kde4 in a new xsession you would type
[06:54] <infinitycircuit> To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm.
[06:58] <P2502> ok it run in a windows, but nothing here, just gray screen, no xterm
[06:58] <P2502> in a window
[07:05] <P2502> same with xnest, and with closing them i get "XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" after 229 requests (229 known processed) with 0 events remaining."
[07:05] <P2502> maybe this is mean something
[07:06] <infinitycircuit> hm sorry but i can't help you there
[07:06] <jgoss> P2502: you said a window with a grey background comes up right
[07:06] <P2502> yes
[07:06] <P2502> with mouse pointer looked like cross
[07:06] <jgoss> in a terminal with that window still opened type, export DISPLAY=:1
[07:07] <jgoss> then type the command of the game you wish to run, it should open up in that window
[07:08] <vinicius_> i've just update to ubuntu 8.04, and that simply made mt wireless connection disappear in my laptop, if I turn on the computer with the wireless antenna button ON, it works, if not, does not works.... how can I fix this?
[07:10] <P2502> jgoss: AUDIT: Sun Feb 24 12:08:20 2008: 8277 Xephyr: client 1 rejected from local host (uid 0)
[07:11] <P2502> and game says "Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem"
[07:14] <asdrubal> is 2.6.24-9 out yet?
[07:14] <bardyr> !info linux-image-2.6.24.9
[07:15] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.24.9 does not exist in hardy
[07:15] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic
[07:15] <ubotu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.8.8 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[07:15] <bardyr> asdrubal, guess not
[07:15] <asdrubal> !info linux-image-2.6.24-9
[07:15] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.24-9 does not exist in hardy
[07:15] <asdrubal> !info linux-image-2.6.24-8
[07:15] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.24-8 does not exist in hardy
[07:16] <asdrubal> gee
[07:16] <asdrubal> I guess 8 isn't out either?
[07:16] <asdrubal> oh .8
[07:16] <asdrubal> oops
[07:16] <infinitycircuit> !info linux-image-2.6.24-8-generic
[07:17] <infinitycircuit> you need to get the name right
[07:19] <P2502> jgoss: ok nvm about previous error, i found explanation, and now apps can run like gedit, but game not, is OpenGL games supposed to work inside Xephyr?
[07:19] <vinicius_> anyone can help me with the wireless issue?
[07:20] <Pici> !info linux
[07:20] <ubotu> linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.24.8.8 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[07:21] <jgoss> P2502: i never tried it before, perhaps running it with Xephyr :1 -extension GLX may help.
[07:22] <P2502> (12:14:25) asdrubal: is 2.6.24-9 out yet?   --- why it should? 2.6.24-8 is already based on latest released kernel 2.6.24.2
[07:22] <asdrubal> 2.6.24-8 has a broken cx88-alsa
[07:22] <asdrubal> so I can't get sound with my pcHDTV 5500
[07:22] <asdrubal> I'm stuck using 2.6.24-4
[07:23] <P2502> is it known bug?
[07:23] <asdrubal> how can I find out
[07:23] <P2502> launchpad.net
[07:23] <bardyr> P2502, actually the ubuntu git tree is at version 2.6.24-10.16
[07:23] <P2502> ok then
[07:24] <asdrubal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=cx88-alsa&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=all&field.scope.target=
[07:24] <vinicius_> ???
[07:24] <asdrubal> bug confirmed but not fixed yet
[07:24] <silent_> I'll be banned in like 2 seconds
[07:24] <asdrubal> so i guess I'll just wait
[07:24] <silent_> how's it goin
[07:26] <bardyr> asdrubal, you could try to build the ubuntu kernel git tree
[07:26] <asdrubal> bardyr, I find it very difficult to build modules with ubuntu
[07:26] <asdrubal> lirc never builds for me
[07:26] <asdrubal> lirc is a known PITA though
[07:27] <asdrubal> otherwise I would probably be running a custom kernel right now
[07:28] <asdrubal>  Ben Collins wrote on 2008-02-20: (permalink)
[07:28] <asdrubal> We'll be discussing this bug at the Kernel Team Spring next week.
[07:29] <asdrubal> Ubuntu updates alsa without updating kernel headers or the subsystems that use alsa like v4l
[07:29] <asdrubal> so it's now a critical bug I guess
[09:01] <heret1c> 'morning
[09:05] <Assid> not really
[09:06] <heret1c> assid> BERY early morning, then? 8)
[09:06] <Assid> 1 of my boxes got owned
[09:07] <heret1c> ?
[09:09] <Assid> owned/rooted..!
[09:09] <heret1c> chkrootkit?
[09:09] <Assid> dont know what that guy used
[09:10] <Assid> personally i think its come in through the ftp
[09:10] <Assid> http://assid.pastebin.com/d2083a62e
[09:11] <heret1c> we don't have any tools to hinder that, do we?
[09:11] <Assid> personally i dont know how the guy got in
[09:11] <heret1c> zxept making iptables tight as a wozzit.
[09:11] <Assid> its a virtualhosting box
[09:11] <Assid> cant iptables ftp
[09:15] <heret1c> shame there isn't sygate-like functionality in firestarter
[09:17] <heret1c> !bug monitor display
[09:17] <heret1c> ubotu monitor display
[09:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monitor display - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:25] <naught101> has anyone else noticed the open office toolbars missing their icons?
[09:56]  * heret1c tempts fate by observing that alpha5 runs pretty smoothly -)
[10:01] <heret1c> cd /
[10:01] <heret1c> cd tmp
[10:01] <heret1c> ls
[10:01] <heret1c> pssss
[10:02] <Assid> smooth.. well not 100%
[10:02] <Assid> it killed my profile remember
[10:03] <Assid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/194978
[10:03] <Assid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/194998
[10:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194998 in ubuntu "Main menu creating application does not allow you to browse the path of a manually edited location" [Undecided,New]
[10:03] <P2502> many glitches
[10:06] <heret1c> some oldlike newly installed sw failing to register in the k-menu.
[10:08] <heret1c> one should think update--menus didit, but it doesn'y
[10:08] <P2502> did you run installer with sudo?
[10:08] <P2502> or you installing from repo?
[10:08] <heret1c> å2502 synaptic. yes, it won't install anything unless.
[10:09] <heret1c> p
[10:09] <heret1c> install from repo, yes
[10:10] <P2502> i tried alpha 5 of kubuntu and my sound died after 1st reboot
[10:11] <P2502> not sure what it was
[10:13] <pwuertz> hi... got a question about a specific package... python-matplotlib
[10:13] <pwuertz> in hardy its conflicting with numpy, pulling in gcc3, python2.4, tcl/tk....
[10:13] <heret1c> works fine here.
[10:14] <pwuertz> when compiling matplotlib from the source.. none of the stated problems above occur...
[10:14] <heret1c> last to p25
[10:14] <P2502> ya
[10:16] <heret1c> oh - kappfinder
[10:16]  * heret1c looks sheepish
[10:18] <P2502> pwuertz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=python-matplotlib&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=all&field.scope.target=
[10:25] <pwuertz> P2502: i don't see any bug report related to the problem
[10:26] <P2502> well you probably should make a new one then
[10:26] <pwuertz> so why did you paste that link?
[10:28] <P2502> because this is appropriate site and some problems with your package have been already reported
[10:30] <P2502> specifically dependencies issues also
[10:32] <P2502> pwuertz: well if you dont like my answer you may wait for another one to answer, if it will even happen
[10:34] <pwuertz> P2502: it's not like that... I just feel patronized
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[11:05]  * h3sp4wn wonders why someone would use that when we have octave and scilab
[11:13]  * Tronic uses C++ for mathematics (usually)
[11:13] <pwuertz> h3sp4wn: octave and scilab are replacements for numpy / scipy / matplotlib ?
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> replacements for matlab
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> Tronic: So you can impliment i.e a fft quickly in c++ ?
[11:21] <Tronic> h3sp4wn: Yes, and I have.
[11:21] <Tronic> Wait a sec.
[11:22] <Tronic> h3sp4wn: http://rafb.net/p/JZloA671.html
[11:23] <Tronic> Usage: 	m_fft = da::fft<FFT_P>(m_buf.begin(), m_window);
[11:25] <Tronic> da::fft<P>(data, window) takes P (the size of FFT, 2^P), data (iterator to sample data, has to be reals in this version, IIRC) and the window (iterator to windowing factors).
[11:25] <Tronic> Returns a vector of complex numbers.
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> Tronic: Interesting
[11:26] <Tronic> There is also a "raw" FFT available, that will take complex numbers and that does not use windowing.
[11:27] <Tronic> (or rather, uses rectangular window)
[11:32] <DB44> is hardy dumping ipw3945 ?
[11:33] <pwuertz> h3sp4wn: ok.. but I was looking for some solution involving python ^^
[11:34] <pwuertz> h3sp4wn: numpy/scipy/matplotlib is the way to go then...
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[11:37] <DB44> how can i merge something from debian unstable ?
[11:37] <DB44> i need the iwlwifi firmwaer package ?
[11:37] <heret1c> alien?
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> Why do you need that ?
[11:38] <DB44> me ?
[11:38] <DB44> because my wifi isn't working well with WPA protected networks
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> Mine just worked
[11:39] <DB44> mine doesn't
[11:39] <nanonyme> DB44, which wifi card?
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> What makes you think its a firmware issue
[11:39] <DB44> ipw3945
[11:39] <DB44> i dont know
[11:39] <DB44> but my sound card wasn't working, and i've manually d/led latest alsa and compiled it to get it to work
[11:39] <DB44> so maybe this will have an effect as well
[11:40] <DB44> the network manager never connects, and the wicd connects only sometimes (mostly not)
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> So why not just build the out of tree iwlwifi
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> with the right firmware and see if it works first
[11:40] <DB44> i tried, it didn't work
[11:40] <DB44> something about compatible or so
[11:40] <DB44> you are talking about http://intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi/downloads/iwlwifi-1.2.0.tgz ?
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> Yep
[11:40] <DB44> make compaints
[11:40] <DB44> sec
[11:41] <heret1c> convert and install rpm and other packages
[11:41] <heret1c> Alien allows you to convert LSB, Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages
[11:41] <heret1c> into Debian packages, which can be installed with dpkg.
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> But its already a debian package
[11:41] <DB44> why not use  http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download ?
[11:42] <heret1c> right.
[11:42] <DB44> ahh, i need to d/l the kenrel sourcre to compile that .tar.gz
[11:42] <DB44> so i rather used a pre-made noe
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> If you cannot even build the http://intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi/downloads/iwlwifi-1.2.0.tgz
[11:43] <DB44> so is it ok to try out that deb pack?
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> because of using a patched kernel
[11:43] <DB44> i'm using the default 7.10 kernel
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> then the chances of just installing that firmware doing anything is very low
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> well this is the 8.04 channel
[11:43] <DB44> the kernel itself seems to have the iwl support already
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> which includes iwl
[11:43] <DB44> the 7.10 includes the iwl as well
[11:43] <DB44> just not the firmware
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> No idea about 7.10
[11:44] <DB44> welp, i'll try some experiment and see
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> You might have to blacklist the one that uses the userspace daemon
[11:45] <DB44> yeah i know
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> Does the 4965 support n always or sometimes just b/g ?
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> (never hardly messed with this yet)
[11:46] <DB44> ahh, cool
[11:46] <DB44> the 7.10 seems to even have this package builtin 1
[11:47] <DB44> guess i wont be needed to install anything, just modify the blacklists
[11:48] <heret1c> !bug system menu
[11:49] <heret1c> ubotu bug system menu
[11:50] <DB44> welp, gonna disconnect, i'll try to report back :)
[11:56]  * heret1c tips hat at doc
[12:04] <CorruptTerrorist> urm, peoblem with the wubi installer
[12:04] <dr-raku> hi; has anybody experienced failures writting large [nearly 4.3GB in size] dvd images with brasero and/or nautilus? is it any reported bug on this? [i couldn't find anything in launchpad/brasero regarding this]
[12:06] <CorruptTerrorist> the wubi installer gets to 100% of making the image, but it then says "Could Not Access The CD, please make sure other applications are not using it and try again"
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> failures to verify or actual burning failures ?
[12:07] <dr-raku> + gnomebaker did the job but nautilus and brasero are keeping on failing to write large dvd images
[12:07] <CorruptTerrorist> h3sp4wn, how can i tell?
[12:07] <dr-raku> h3sp4wn, at about 94-97% they [nautilus and brasero] are giving error writing the media
[12:08] <dr-raku> gnomebaker succeded to burn the same image on the same dvd-rw medium
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> seems quite close to 4gb
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> could be they are just not compiled with large file support or something simple
[12:09] <dr-raku> and i have tried to write that image 3 or 4 times with brasero/nautilus; everytime they fail
[12:10] <dr-raku> but gnomebaker succesfully write the whole image [this is the ubuntu official dvd image downloaded from the official torrent and md5 verified]
[12:12] <dr-raku> so.. h3sp4wn, is it possible that brasero is so "dumb" that it can't write ~4.3GB but is succesfully writing compilations of nearly 4 [<4, ~3.8GB] gigabytes in size?
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> Could just be a single switch
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> (to enable large file support) to whatever burning app its using
[12:13] <dr-raku> the most annoying thing is that even nautilus is failing
[12:13] <Paladine> dr-raku, you writing them to a linux partition type of fat32?
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> I use k3b
[12:13] <dr-raku> and nautilus can't be purged
[12:14] <Paladine> s/of/or
[12:14] <dr-raku> Paladine, i write an iso image of ubuntu on a dvd-rw
[12:14] <Paladine> oh, could be that the image is *just* too big for the media
[12:15] <dr-raku> Paladine, it is the official ubuntu 7.10 image
[12:15] <Paladine> you could have corrupt segments on the dvdrw for example
[12:15] <dr-raku> and no, it's not too large! gnomebaker handles to write it
[12:15] <dr-raku> on the same dvd-rw, Paladine
[12:15] <Paladine> yes but if the dvdrw is a little buggered, then it won't have 4.3GB of writable space
[12:16] <Paladine> <- used to own his own blank media brand so knows a little about optical media
[12:16] <CorruptTerrorist> where can i download the alpha5 md5's?
[12:16] <dr-raku> Paladine, axplain this: nautilus failed to write and then gnomebaker succeded - on the same dvd-rw medium!!"
[12:16] <dr-raku> the same disk, wtf!
[12:16] <Paladine> the media might not have erased properly
[12:17] <dr-raku> Paladine, i did tried to re-write it with nautilus 3 or 4 times already
[12:17] <dr-raku> everytime nautilus [and brasero, both] are failing
[12:17] <Paladine> yeah but everytime you write (or attempt to) you then have to erase before your next attempt
[12:18] <dr-raku> it doesn't matter which one i use; but gnomebaker succeded
[12:18] <Paladine> dvdrw are not perfect media by any stretch they are more susceptable to errors than write once media
[12:18] <dr-raku> Paladine, i know and i erased it everytime
[12:18] <Paladine> yes but that doesn't mean the media is completely erased
[12:19] <dr-raku> and this must be the hell of a coincidence! only gnomebaker succeded to write the dvd-rw!
[12:19] <Paladine> sounds to me like it is the media, nautilus certainly has no problems writing 4.3GB images, I have done it many times
[12:19] <CorruptTerrorist> urm... hardy-desktop-i386.iso: FAILED
[12:19] <CorruptTerrorist> md5 not right
[12:20] <dr-raku> Paladine, have you read what i wrote above? i used THE SAME DISK over and over again! only gnomebaker wrote it correctly!
[12:20] <Paladine> it is pointless even trying to help you, you are not listening to anything I have said, so good day to you
[12:20] <dr-raku> everytime i try to write that using nautilus or brasero it's a no go
[12:21] <dr-raku> Paladine, excuse me; what i'm not listening? :|
[12:22] <dr-raku> it just can't be the media's fault! gnomebaker correctly wrote that media before and after
[12:22] <Assid> bah
[12:22] <Assid> who jinxed a5
[12:22] <Assid> just crashed on me.. i couldnt get abck onto compiz until i restarted X
[12:23] <Paladine> Assid, thats the danger of running alpha software
[12:23] <Assid> Paladine: i know
[12:23] <Assid> heret1c: said he had no issues.. he jinxed it
[12:24] <void^> i have no issues! (except missing menu labels in gnome-terminal, hah)
[12:24] <Assid> aint got that o\ne
[12:24] <Assid> i crashed compiz again
[12:25] <Assid> w00t
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> I have that one - but I use urxvt so it does'nt matter (other than I think Terminal -> should point to the x-terminal-emulator alternative)
[12:25] <Assid> whats the difference
[12:25]  * heret1c looks innocently at assid and raises an eyebrow
[12:26] <Assid> you you!!! your responsible for A5 crashing
[12:27]  * heret1c is in norway. long way to india. 8)
[12:29] <heret1c> besides, the Pauli Syndrome decreases with the triple inverse sqare root minus a factor derived from Dolly Parton's bra-size. so there. :P
[12:30]  * heret1c looks righteos
[12:30] <Assid> actually quadruple inverse square root
[12:31] <Assid> and dolly partons bra size is probably non-existant, mainly becuase shes gone beyond
[12:31] <heret1c> system menu -> storage media <click> ERROR Malformed URL media:/.
[12:32] <heret1c> she has them specially made by ppl previously occupied with sewing circus tents
[12:35] <heret1c> can anyone replicate that error?
[12:35] <CorruptTerrorist> heret1c, i would if i could enven get linux installed
[12:37] <bardyr> heret1c, it works here, not tried the latest updates trough
[12:38] <bardyr> CorruptTerrorist, and why cant you install it?
[12:41] <CorruptTerrorist> bardyr, i would if i got a proper download
[12:41] <bardyr> alpha5?
[12:41] <CorruptTerrorist> as i keep getting wrong md5's or download times out
[12:41] <CorruptTerrorist> yes
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> netboot ?
[12:41] <CorruptTerrorist> no... manual iso download
[12:41] <bardyr> CorruptTerrorist, try a different mirror
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> why not just do a netboot
[12:42] <CorruptTerrorist> i have a shit connection... i once got 200kb/s
[12:42] <CorruptTerrorist> oops
[12:42] <CorruptTerrorist> sorry for swearing
[12:42] <P2502> 200 kbytes?
[12:43] <CorruptTerrorist> kiloBITS
[12:43] <bardyr> CorruptTerrorist, i only get 20kb
[12:43] <P2502> i used 256 kbits not long ago, now on 512
[12:43] <bardyr> CorruptTerrorist, 20mbit*
[12:43] <bardyr> :)
[12:44] <CorruptTerrorist> mine's 88.9KB/s usually
[12:44] <CorruptTerrorist> changing isp when contract expires
[12:47] <CorruptTerrorist> i wish i could download it via torrent
[12:48] <P2502> whats wrong with torrent?
[12:48] <P2502> i ussuale get no seeders
[12:48] <P2502> ussualy
[12:48] <CarlSpackler> cuz all the birds ate the seedz!
[12:49] <CorruptTerrorist> urgh... i know. "i'll happily be part of the community but i won't support the community"
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> I dunno I think a fast mirror is nicer to use than torrent
[12:49] <Hobbsee> CorruptTerrorist: download what?
[12:50] <CorruptTerrorist> h3sp4wn, i can reach 300kb/s on torrent, whilst 90 via a mirror
[12:50] <CorruptTerrorist> Hobbsee, the isos
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> CorruptTerrorist: dunno I get 1.1/MB/s from any reasonably close mirror
[12:51] <Hobbsee> CorruptTerrorist: few people are downloading them anyway.  is this an alpha, or a daily?
[12:51] <CorruptTerrorist> alpha
[12:52] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:52] <P2502> CorruptTerrorist:  actually i just loaded torrent for a5 i360 ubuntu and i got many seeders
[12:52] <Hobbsee> probably still not many downloading
[12:52] <P2502> 50 and keep counting
[12:53] <P2502> i386
[12:53] <CorruptTerrorist> where can i get the torrent file then?
[12:53] <P2502> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[12:54] <P2502> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-5/hardy-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[12:55] <CorruptTerrorist> ty P2502
[12:55] <Assid> i would have put my box to seed it.. but well.. im kinda messed atm
[12:55] <CorruptTerrorist> 25 seeds conected... 50 in swarm
[12:56]  * Assid only sees Hobbsee when its NEAR release time
[12:56] <Assid> hey Hobbsee.. where you hiding?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Assid: elsewhere :)
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Assid: devland, not userland
[12:56] <Assid> hehe fair enoigh
[12:56] <Assid> err enough
[12:57] <Assid> so now back to userland ? to see what pains we have ?
[12:57]  * Hobbsee tries to stay under 20 channels on multiple networks
[13:01] <heret1c> anyone have shockwave in hh a5?
[13:03] <bardyr> why do you need shockwave?
[13:03] <CorruptTerrorist> it's not used anymore
[13:03] <Pici> There is no Shockwave for Linux.
[13:03] <CorruptTerrorist> there is NO SHOCKWAVE AT ALL ANYMORE
[13:03] <CorruptTerrorist> it is derelict
[13:04] <heret1c> http://www.mintra.as/support/ytelsestest/nettest.htm
[13:04] <Pici> Calm down.
[13:04] <sodoku> does the new weather and time applet work good with you all?
[13:05] <bardyr> sodoku, nope
[13:05] <heret1c> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:7
[13:05] <bardyr> sodoku, it works sometimes the rest of the time its just broken
[13:05] <P2502> no, week start from sunday, it have no UTC setting
[13:07] <P2502> and it is just freeze, trying to add location, and cause to freeze panels
[13:07] <telexicon> CorruptTerrorist, really?
[13:07] <P2502> they said most bugs for alpha 5 will be fixed :/
[13:07] <telexicon> CorruptTerrorist, awesome!!
[13:10] <CorruptTerrorist> DIABOLICAL SPEED: http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html
[13:10] <CorruptTerrorist> oops wrong link
[13:10] <CorruptTerrorist> http://www.speedtest.net/result/238247189.png
[13:11] <Hobbsee> P2502: what do you mean?
[13:12] <telexicon> CorruptTerrorist, ouch, im sorry
[13:13] <Hobbsee> hmm, that's not quite as woeful as i was expecting
[13:13] <Hobbsee> http://www.speedtest.net/result/238248179.png
[13:13] <sodoku> I can't set the default timezone
[13:13] <sodoku> I am not able to push the set button
[13:15] <CorruptTerrorist> Hobbsee, how not?
[13:15]  * Hobbsee was expecting a slower uplink
[13:16] <CorruptTerrorist> Hobbsee, i've never got those speeds
[13:16] <P2502> Hobbsee: what i mean is 7.10 was buggy and 8.04 will be buggy too
[13:16] <Paladine> I couldn'ty live with those speeds
[13:16] <CorruptTerrorist> those are over-optimistic
[13:16] <Hobbsee> yeah well.  that's to sydney, so...
[13:16] <Hobbsee> P2502: so, help out, then it shoudl be less so.
[13:16] <CorruptTerrorist> Paladine, changing to http://www.bethere.co.uk
[13:17] <Paladine> I would if the bstards would put kit in our exchange
[13:17] <Paladine> they were supposed to upgrade our exchange last october
[13:17] <Paladine> I want their 2.5mb/s upload package
[13:18] <CorruptTerrorist> here's the stats for my area... i like this: http://speedtest.net/global.php?continent=3&country=4&region=269
[13:20] <P2502> i can remember how i for years used dialup with 3 kbytes/s download speed
[13:20] <P2502> and i often get disconnects etc
[13:20] <CorruptTerrorist> P2502, about a week ago i was maxing out at 10kb/s
[13:21] <CorruptTerrorist> i had to "illude" their dns servers and get 10 seperate connections
[13:23] <P2502> in days of fidonet it was 1.5 kbytes/s, i downloaded by nights, can't sleep because of computer noise
[13:24] <CorruptTerrorist> the thudding of the 2gb hard drive?
[13:24] <P2502> yeah
[13:25] <CorruptTerrorist> with 8mb ram
[13:25] <P2502> my 1st pc has 40 mb hdd
[13:25] <CorruptTerrorist> and STEREO sound
[13:25] <Assid> P2502:  386 ?
[13:25] <P2502> 286
[13:25] <CorruptTerrorist> with a 32 color monitor
[13:25] <Assid> aah
[13:26] <Assid> that machine costed > $2000
[13:26] <P2502> yeah
[13:26] <heret1c> <- acorn archimedes 310.
[13:26] <Assid> i had one of those
[13:26] <heret1c> ARM2
[13:27] <heret1c> blistering 4 MIPS
[13:27] <Assid> then went to 386 - 486 - 486dx2 - 486dx4 - pentium133 - 166mmx  (o/c to 210) - 200 (o/c to 250) - and so on
[13:27] <Assid> after that was crazy
[13:28] <Assid> 4mips
[13:28] <Assid> lol
[13:28] <Assid> bogomips	: 7199.76 per core
[13:28] <heret1c> fast in 1986.
[13:28] <Assid> and i want more
[13:28] <Assid> cant believe we used those systems back then
[13:29]  * Assid still remembers leisure suit larry - 1
[13:29] <P2502> space quest
[13:29] <heret1c> Ooooo - 1.185 338 kbit/s
[13:29] <Assid> one of the questions to get in was "I have hair on"  and the right answer was "lots of places"
[13:30] <heret1c> elite!
[13:30] <Assid> err.. dialup in south africa was 946byts/sec
[13:30] <Assid> india had 1.1K/sec
[13:30] <Assid> i was like AWESOME .. this is the internet!! woohooo!
[13:30] <P2502> lol
[13:31] <Assid> first time i was on irc.. i was like so is this a real chat or are you bots!?
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[13:31] <Assid> i think the server was talkcity
[13:32] <Paladine> first time I was on irc bots didn't even really exist
[13:32] <Paladine> 1992 I been ircing since
[13:32] <Assid> well my dad was like its a fake theres nothing there. its like faster version of email
[13:32] <P2502> i used to chat on BBS, not sure if irc exist those days
[13:32] <Assid> yeah he thought it was  aBBS  of some sort
[13:33] <Paladine> I never got into bbs phone calls were too expensive in the UK and modems weren't exactly cheap in the 80s
[13:34] <Assid> there was this company diversion.com back in 94-95
[13:34] <Assid> used to give BBS access .. and email services
[13:34] <heret1c> usenet?
[13:34] <Assid> had they opened a gui .. they could have had more success than hotmail
[13:34] <Assid> not sure
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[13:35] <Assid> i think  a bbs or somesort
[13:35] <Paladine> 94-95 I was already an internet veteran hehe
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[13:35] <Assid> i used to be an elite "web designer"
[13:35] <Assid> netscape composer i think
[13:35] <DB42> the iwl3945 drivers didn't work, but i got the wifi to work
[13:35]  * popey shudders at the thought of the html he created in '97
[13:35] <Assid> hahahaha
[13:36] <Paladine> popey, tables and frames? hehehe
[13:36] <Assid> yeah that was the norm wasnt it
[13:36] <Hobbsee> DB42: don't work, or don't show a LED?
[13:36] <popey> oh worse than that Paladine
[13:36] <popey> frontpage
[13:36] <Paladine> egads
[13:36] <heret1c> erk
[13:36] <CorruptTerrorist> does the wubi installer on the cd work on vista?
[13:36]  * Hobbsee gouges popey's eyes out with a spoon
[13:36] <Assid> heck i went to frontpage!!
[13:36]  * popey deserved that
[13:36] <DB42> Hobbsee, i was talking abuot wifi problem i had here before (i'm using 7.10) so i moved from ipw to iwl but the latter gave me microcode error in dmesg
[13:36] <Paladine> I learnt html from reading website source files lol
[13:36] <Assid> then i finally bought my first domain - assid.com
[13:36] <Hobbsee> DB42: right.  WFM.
[13:36] <Paladine> then I found w3c
[13:37]  * popey can't remember when he registered popey.com
[13:37] <Hobbsee> popey: you always deserve that.
[13:37] <Paladine> my first domain was popoti.org
[13:37] <DB42> how do i check which ports are open on my ubuntu ?
[13:37] <popey> :(
[13:37] <Assid> popey:  whois it
[13:37] <Assid> 1999 first registered
[13:38] <popey> yeah, that sounds right, thats when i changed my online persona name
[13:38] <Assid> i got mine almost a year later.. in 2000
[13:38] <CorruptTerrorist> does the wubi installer on the cd work on vista?
[13:38] <DB42> how do i know if my kernel is tick-less ?
[13:38] <CorruptTerrorist> DB42, get a flea collar for it
[13:39] <Assid> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://equineindia.com -- that was my first professional site
[13:39] <DB42> funny
[13:39] <CorruptTerrorist> premiere horse racing portal?
[13:39] <mohbana> what colour does ubuntu use?
[13:39] <popey> DB42: cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) | grep CONFIG_NO_HZ
[13:40] <Assid> no wait.. that one: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://indianhorseracing.com
[13:40] <DB42> popey: thanks
[13:40] <CorruptTerrorist> mohbana, a light diarrhoea-brown
[13:40] <DB42> how do i check which ports i have open and which program opened them ?
[13:41] <popey> DB42: netstat
[13:41] <popey> DB42: #ubuntu is probably the place for these questions to be honest
[13:41] <mphill__> do you guys use hardy-proposed ?
[13:41] <DB42> popey,  nobody is anaswering there
[13:42] <Hobbsee> mphill__: nothing in it
[13:42] <popey> mphill__: there's nothing in hardy-proposed yet is there
[13:43] <mphill__> interesting
[13:44] <CorruptTerrorist> any help on this issue please? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4394458
[13:44] <Tonohono> Hey folks, I'm attempting an encrypted alpha 5 hardy install. I get as far as 'configure encrypted volumes' when I receive a error during partitioning- "Failed to remove conflicting files," unable to remove OS files from the install target. An unencrypted installation works fine.
[13:45] <Tonohono> HD is blank, so I dont know what OS files its needing to remove from it.
[13:45] <CorruptTerrorist> oh teh noes: "md5sum: WARNING: 1 of 1 computed checksum did NOT match"
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[13:52] <CorruptTerrorist> can anyone help with this issue? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4394458
[13:54] <popey> CorruptTerrorist: if the md5sum failed then the only thing you can really do is redownload
[13:54] <popey> not sure what additional help anyone can provide
[13:54] <CorruptTerrorist> ok
[13:54] <CorruptTerrorist> thanks popey
[13:59] <heret1c> "launchpad
[13:59] <heret1c> !launchpad
[13:59] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[14:00] <heret1c> ta
[14:01] <P2502> CorruptTerrorist: you just completed download of torrent and md5 fails?
[14:01] <bardyr> doesnt ubuntu have any rsync sites?
[14:02] <CorruptTerrorist> no, not yet
[14:02] <jpatrick> bardyr: yes
[14:02] <CorruptTerrorist> P2502, it's still not finished
[14:02] <jpatrick> bardyr: here's my rsync script: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57197/
[14:03] <P2502> actually faild md5 may be related no only to download problems, also memory problem is possible, or other reasons for data corruption
[14:03] <P2502> torrent is verifying its md5 in proccess of downloading
[14:04] <P2502> so you can't get corrupted torrent, if you get, then its computer problem
[14:04] <bardyr> CorruptTerrorist, use rsync to get the rest of the iso
[14:04] <CorruptTerrorist> rsync?
[14:05] <Oli```> My keyboard keeps locking up when I use some apps that steal the keypresses (VMware and Wine, mainly but also native games). This usually means the keyboard thinks I'm holding that key down and unfortunately that makes the system almost unusable. Logging out and in again or restarting X (same thing?) fixes this issue but is very destructive to my workflow. Is there another way to fix it? Like resetting the keyboard?
[14:05] <paneb_> hi guys
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[14:06] <P2502> bardyr: are you sure rsync is compatible with unfinished torrents downloads?
[14:07] <bardyr> CorruptTerrorist, rsync rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-5/hardy-desktop-i386.iso hardy-desktop-i368.iso --progress
[14:08] <CorruptTerrorist> i'm in winblows btw
[14:09] <bardyr> well, then its probably not going to work
[14:09] <CorruptTerrorist> i have an idea...
[14:09] <CorruptTerrorist> if ior not
[14:09] <CorruptTerrorist> *or not
[14:10] <CorruptTerrorist> it won't work
[14:11] <P2502> how about rsync for windows http://itefix.no/cwrsync/
[14:13] <punQ-arT> hello i followed the guide in the ubuntu forums for the kernel upgrade and the b43 fixes but i still end up with wlan0_rename can someone help me?
[14:14] <CarlSpackler> hello, I added a new user, non-sudo, to my ubuntu, but every time I click the logout button or choose this from the menu it doesn't allow the non-sudo user to logout, why not and how may I change this behavior?
[14:14] <CarlSpackler> sudo users can logout and shutdown but not non-sudo user
[14:15] <CorruptTerrorist> how does rsync work?
[14:16] <jpatrick> CorruptTerrorist: man rsync
[14:16] <P2502> CorruptTerrorist: it will allow you to repair iso by downloading only those parts which incorrect
[14:17] <CorruptTerrorist> oh ok
[14:26] <Alpo> Will Hardy use PackageKit?
[14:27] <P2502> yes
[14:27] <thompa> anyone know how to enable acer_acpi, it is backported I think
[14:28] <thompa> without it ath pci wont work
[14:28] <markit> hi, with kernel 2.6.24-5 everything is fine, with -7 and -8, I can't shutdown... seems that is unable to stop services (like kdm, samba, etc)
[14:28] <markit> nor I have the startup sound when kde is loaded
[14:29] <markit> is it a known issue? I need -5 headers to compile some kernel modules with older, working kernel... how can I do?
[14:30] <CorruptTerrorist> oh... i have to pay for xchat?
[14:31] <thompa> ok
[14:32] <markit> no one with issues and that kernel?
[14:32] <thompa> of course me
[14:32] <markit> what do you mean?
[14:32] <thompa> mine is with building modules
[14:32] <thompa> i had to install kernel headers
[14:33] <thompa> but i can find or compile acer acpi
[14:36] <Lukasz> I posted a bug in the launchpad for HardyHereon
[14:36] <Lukasz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/194918
[14:37] <Meow> how do i run wcrsync?
[14:37] <Lukasz> hmm how can I make a bug public?
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[14:38] <Lukasz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/194918
[14:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194918 in ubuntu "Can't login Ubuntu 8.04 i386 Alpha 5 Full Install Desktop CD" [Undecided,New]
[14:38] <dencrypt> Anyone here has got Java to work for ff3b3? Running kubuntu hardy alpha 4 x86_64
[14:38] <CorruptTerrorist> how do i run wcrsync?
[14:38] <Lukasz> There we go just made it public :)
[14:39] <h3sp4wn> dencrypt: Works if you use a 32 bit firefox (i.e in /opt) and LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1
[14:39] <h3sp4wn> The latter in /etc/environment
[14:40] <Lukasz> So anyone know how to solve my problem
[14:40] <Lukasz> ?
[14:40] <h3sp4wn> I dunno why a 32 bit firefox cannot be provided that conflicts with the current one and provides the same stuff (so it doesn't mess with ubuntu-desktop)
[14:40] <dencrypt> h3sp4wn: ah. Do I have to compile 32-bit ff3b3 myself or is it available through repositories someway?
[14:40] <h3sp4wn> dencrypt: I just got the binary from mozilla
[14:40] <h3sp4wn> and put it into /opt
[14:40] <Lukasz> hmm
[14:40] <dencrypt> ah
[14:41] <dencrypt> I'll check it out. Tnx.
[14:41] <h3sp4wn> (same with java installed to the same place)
[14:41] <h3sp4wn> then ln -s the flash and java plugins into /opt/firefox/plugins
[14:41] <Lukasz> Please help
[14:41] <dencrypt> h3sp4wn: yeah. Tried that, doesn't work for 64-bit though :/
[14:41] <dencrypt> hehe
[14:41] <dencrypt> (obviously)
[14:42] <h3sp4wn> I don't know of anyone with icetea java working atm
[14:42] <h3sp4wn> (I don't really like nspluginwrapper either crashes firefox often)
[14:44] <Lukasz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/194918
[14:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194918 in ubuntu "Can't login Ubuntu 8.04 i386 Alpha 5 Full Install Desktop CD" [Undecided,New]
[14:48] <Lukasz> hmm
[14:49] <MenZa> What's with the new desktop CD menu :/?
[14:49] <Lukasz> I can't login heh MenZa
[14:49] <MenZa> Neither can I
[14:49] <Lukasz> I posted the bug
[14:49] <MenZa> I'm getting I/O errors. :/
[14:50] <Lukasz> MenZa, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/194918
[14:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194918 in ubuntu "Can't login Ubuntu 8.04 i386 Alpha 5 Full Install Desktop CD" [Undecided,New]
[14:50] <Lukasz> Heh
[14:50] <Lukasz> I was like wtf MenZa
[14:50] <Lukasz> hehe
[14:50]  * MenZa adds confirmation.
[14:50] <Lukasz> :)
[14:50] <MenZa> oic
[14:50] <MenZa> like that
[14:51] <Lukasz> Im testing for them so it comesout quick
[14:51] <Lukasz> MenZa, I can't update in recovery console either
[14:51] <MenZa> fun
[14:51] <Lukasz> hehe
[14:51] <Lukasz> :)
[14:52] <Lukasz> Im like wondering new background pic in installeR?
[14:53] <Lukasz> It isn't working that well the picture MenZa
[14:53]  * Lukasz thinks the picture could be better quality
[14:54]  * MenZa hasn't gotten that far.
[14:54] <Lukasz> Well the first thing is login heh :)
[14:54] <Lukasz> I hope they can fix it soon :)
[14:55] <Lukasz> I wonder how many people are working on it MenZa
[14:55] <h3sp4wn> Probably none -> few
[14:55] <h3sp4wn> its the weeked
[14:55] <h3sp4wn> *weekend
[14:56] <Lukasz> So how about Monday h3sp4wn ?
[14:56] <h3sp4wn> I would guess more likely
[14:56] <Lukasz> good :)
[14:57] <Lukasz> I think I was the first one to post this bug was I h3sp4wn ?
[14:57] <h3sp4wn> No idea - I installed from the ubuntustudio alpha 4 alternative cd (without the studio collections)
[14:57] <Lukasz> So how does the Alternate one install h3sp4wn ?
[14:58] <Lukasz> Is it Dos like?
[14:58] <h3sp4wn> Same as Debian
[14:58] <Lukasz> good :)
[14:58] <Lukasz> I think Im gonna downloaded it
[14:58] <h3sp4wn> It installs it properly with apt
[14:58] <Lukasz> Does grahpics work on it?
[14:58] <CorruptTerrorist> how can i use cwRsync to repair the iso?
[14:58] <h3sp4wn> No
[14:58] <Lukasz> ok i wait then hehe
[14:59] <h3sp4wn> Its pretty damn easy to install
[14:59] <h3sp4wn> If you can use the cursor keys then thats all you need
[15:00] <Lukasz> h3sp4wn, how can I send bugs from recovery console?
[15:00] <h3sp4wn> No clue - dunno if there is a way to dump stuff to the serial console
[15:00] <Lukasz> hmm
[15:01] <Lukasz> h3sp4wn, is the stable version coming out in April?
[15:01] <h3sp4wn> No clue
[15:01] <Lukasz> hmm
[15:01] <Alpo> Does Hardy use Packagekit?
[15:02] <Lukasz> No one can login now Alpo into Hardy
[15:02] <MenZa> Are you sure *noone* can login?
[15:02] <MenZa> :p
[15:02] <Lukasz> Well some people maybe
[15:02] <MenZa> Yes, Alpo.
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[15:02] <h3sp4wn> well just change the bootline
[15:03] <h3sp4wn> remove quiet and splash and add a 1
[15:03] <h3sp4wn> should drop you to a root shell
[15:03] <h3sp4wn> change the password
[15:03] <h3sp4wn> exit the root shell then login
[15:03] <CorruptTerrorist> how can i use cwRsync to repair the iso?
[15:03] <CorruptTerrorist> how can i use cwRsync to repair the iso?
[15:03] <Lukasz> If only I could login heh
[15:04] <h3sp4wn> You don't need to login in 1 (single user mode)
[15:04] <h3sp4wn> its patched to not ask for any password
[15:04] <Lukasz> Is fglrx freezing fixed i HardyHeron when Visual effects come in effect h3sp4wn ?
[15:04] <CarlSpackler> hello, I added a new user, non-sudo, to my ubuntu, but every time I click the logout button or choose this from the menu it doesn't allow the non-sudo user to logout, why not and how may I change this behavior?
[15:05] <h3sp4wn> No idea
[15:06] <h3sp4wn> CarlSpackler: Is it in all the other groups that the other user is in
[15:06] <CorruptTerrorist> how can i use cwRsync to repair the iso?
[15:06] <h3sp4wn> (except admin)
[15:06] <Lukasz> Finally someone replied :)
[15:06] <CarlSpackler> h3sp4wn, yes I added it from sys/admin/u+g
[15:07] <CarlSpackler> h3sp4wn, my other sudo user can login and out and shutdown, but not the non-sudo users
[15:07] <h3sp4wn> I have no idea how that works
[15:07] <h3sp4wn> All I care about is the output of groups
[15:07] <CarlSpackler> h3sp4wn, okay thanks, strange no one seems to have encountered this before
[15:07] <CarlSpackler> i'll take it to the mailing list, i've spent 5 hrs on here no one knows
[15:08] <CarlSpackler> or they have a life on the weekend, whichever
[15:08] <CorruptTerrorist> i'll ask again... how can i use cwRsync to repair the iso?
[15:09] <MenZa> Lukasz: I'm not experiencing your bug.
[15:09] <Lukasz> really
[15:09] <Lukasz> hmm
[15:09] <Lukasz> I dunno how to get it to work
[15:09] <Lukasz> It accepts the passwords and logspout
[15:09] <Lukasz> logsout*
[15:10] <h3sp4wn> CarlSpackler: You could configure sudo so everyone can run that application
[15:10] <MenZa> try a different desktop manager
[15:10] <Skiessi> What happened to the new icon theme of Firefox 3.0 Beta 3?
[15:10] <MenZa> e.g. kdm
[15:10] <MenZa> or xdm
[15:10] <Lukasz> hmm
[15:10] <Lukasz> I got only HardyHeron
[15:10] <h3sp4wn> Its not all or nothing when it comes to sudo you can add another group i.e fred that can sudo whether that thing is
[15:11] <CarlSpackler> h3sp4wn, thx how would I configure sudo to allow everyone to logout and shutdown and would this introduce any potential security issues?
[15:11] <Lukasz> What has fixed fglrx freezing logout?
[15:11] <Lukasz> which distro of Ubuntu site
[15:12] <h3sp4wn> CarlSpackler: look at man sudoers
[15:12] <CarlSpackler> h3sp4wn, thx
[15:12] <Lukasz> I get like an fglrx freezing in Ubuntu/Gutsy
[15:14] <h3sp4wn> Not sure what the exact app is for that but perhaps its only executable to gid admin
[15:15] <P2502> anyone know how to make ping command to visualize missed packets?
[15:16] <P2502> similiar to how it does in windows, showing message
[15:19] <void^> ping -c4?
[15:24] <Lukasz> !fglrx freezing
[15:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fglrx freezing - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:27] <Mohero_> Hi to all
[15:27] <heret1c> yo.
[15:28] <Mohero_> might be the wrong place to ask - but I seem to have screwed up apt/dpkg with 8.04
[15:28] <P2502> void^: no, i want to see missed packets in realtime, no ping just print nothing on them
[15:29] <P2502> now
[15:29] <Mohero_> I noticed none of my mail was going through, and when I checked MailScanner wasn't running, I tried to start MailScanner, that failed with "Variable "$FIELD_NAME" is not imported at /usr/share/MailScanner/MailScanner/Message.pm line 6367."
[15:30] <Mohero_> after hunting Google the answer appeard to be to uninstall and re-install MailScanner...
[15:30] <Mohero_> which gave me  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[15:31] <Mohero_> and it won't let me re-install either
[15:31] <Mohero_> I've hunted for answers but..... seems  all the answers aren't working so far...
[15:31] <Mohero_> any one got any idea's?
[15:32] <CorruptTerrorist> um... wubi is throwing out a weird error
[15:34] <Mohero_> hmmm
[15:35] <CorruptTerrorist> i have the hardy iso on my desktop.. but the wubi installer, as it should, copies it to the install folder but then says it's getting the ubuntu 7.10 iso
[15:37] <heret1c> !Bug #39603
[15:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 39603 in kde-guidance "Display Module in KDE System Settings "fails to load" [[Update: Only with nvidia twinview]]" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39603
[15:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bug #39603 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:42] <CorruptTerrorist> any help on this issue? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4394952
[15:45] <CorruptTerrorist> any help on this issue? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4394952
[15:46] <jpatrick> !repeat > CorruptTerrorist
[15:47] <CorruptTerrorist> yes... 3 minutes is quickly
[15:47] <CorruptTerrorist> w/e
[15:51] <bazhang> CorruptTerrorist: what is the issue?
[15:51] <bazhang> heya Mohero_
[15:51] <CorruptTerrorist> bazhang, it's the wubi installer on the cd
[15:51] <bazhang> what is your exact question CorruptTerrorist
[15:53] <Lukasz> I think My issue is fixabole :)
[15:53] <CorruptTerrorist> one sec
[15:53] <bazhang> hehe
[15:53]  * Seveas fixes bazhang 
[15:53]  * bazhang just installed hardy alpha 5
[15:53] <CorruptTerrorist> "Could Not Access The CD, please make sure other applications are not using it and try again"
[15:53] <bazhang> lol Seveas
[15:53] <Lukasz> Anyone know how I can change the assigne if I can't login?
[15:54] <bazhang> CorruptTerrorist: could you please state what you are trying to do and how you are doing it? some details would be helpful
[15:54] <MenZa> bazhang: me too :)
[15:54] <Lukasz> MenZa, do you know how I can change the assigne If I can't login?
[15:55] <bazhang> MenZa: you in here? early birds and all ;]
[15:55] <MenZa> the what?
[15:55] <MenZa> bazhang: :D
[15:55] <Lukasz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/194918
[15:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194918 in ubuntu "Can't login Ubuntu 8.04 i386 Alpha 5 Full Install Desktop CD" [Undecided,New]
[15:55] <MenZa> What assigne?
[15:55] <Lukasz> Its in the bug topic
[15:55] <Lukasz> I posted the url again
[15:56] <Lukasz> The person has replied
[15:56] <CorruptTerrorist> bazhang, after opening up the rev 431 wubi installer on vista, the installer successfully loads the hardy iso (which i have md5 checked and burned) and it then comes up with that error msg
[15:56] <MenZa> Oh, on Launchpad.
[15:57] <Lukasz> yeah MenZa :)
[15:57] <MenZa> Lukasz: press the arrow next to your name in the “Assigned To” column, then select “Assigned to: Nobody” and press submit
[15:57] <Lukasz> Is that for HardyHeron login MenZa ?
[15:58] <MenZa> No, that's for /Launchpad/, the website
[15:58] <Lukasz> no I meant for HardyHeron
[15:58] <MenZa> You've assigned the bug to yourself, meaning YOU intend to fix it
[15:58] <MenZa> This is nothing to do with the software, this has to do with the website.
[15:59] <MenZa> Yeah, that looks better
[15:59] <Mohero_> is anyone able to help - or even respond to my apt/dpkg problem?
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[16:01] <Lukasz> MenZa, how do I copy to D:\ Drive the logs of Hardy?
[16:02] <MenZa> I have no idea.
[16:02] <Lukasz> hmm
[16:02] <Lukasz> ln -s displays drives right?
[16:02] <Lukasz> I be right back
[16:02] <CorruptTerrorist> bazhang, you get that error msg?
[16:04] <MenZa> o_O
[16:05] <MenZa> Something tells me Lukasz should /not/ be using Hardy.
[16:06] <bazhang> CorruptTerrorist: yeah sorry away for a bit; you are trying to install over Vista, dual boot, or what
[16:06] <CorruptTerrorist> it's an installation within vista
[16:06] <CorruptTerrorist> !wubi | bazhang
[16:06] <ubotu> bazhang: wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html
[16:06] <bazhang> Mohero_: what is the issue? please be precise
[16:07] <Mohero_> bazhang: I noticed none of my mail was going through, and when I checked MailScanner wasn't running, I tried to start MailScanner, that failed with "Variable "$FIELD_NAME" is not imported at /usr/share/MailScanner/MailScanner/Message.pm line 6367."
[16:07] <bazhang> CorruptTerrorist: yeah I know what wubi is; you are installing from within vista--what is the goal though?
[16:07] <Mohero_> which gave me  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[16:07] <CorruptTerrorist> to make an installation alongside vista
[16:08] <CorruptTerrorist> one sec while i make a video of the error
[16:08] <bazhang> Mohero_: really no experience with that program, but if it is advising a reinstall best to listen ;]
[16:08] <Mohero_> bazhang: sorry google search led me to a post about removing and re-installing - but Apt gives me errors:
[16:08] <bazhang> CorruptTerrorist: so you want to have vista and ubuntu dual boot correct?
[16:09] <CorruptTerrorist> bazhang, yes
[16:09] <CorruptTerrorist> please wait... i'll be about 3 mins
[16:09] <Mohero_> bazhang:trying to remove told me: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[16:09] <CorruptTerrorist> oh wait... it seems to have successfully completed
[16:09] <bazhang> CorruptTerrorist: and you know that hardy is totally alpha (now 5) and will most definitely break/mess up at some point?
[16:09] <Mohero_> bazhang: and re-installing gives a similar error - and I now have a broken package in APT which I can do nothing with
[16:10] <CorruptTerrorist> bazhang, i know that
[16:10] <CorruptTerrorist> bazhang, i dont want 7.04, and 7.10 will not even install via wubi, so i'd rather have to install every weekend
[16:11] <Mohero_> bazhang: using apt-get -i {debpackage}.deb also tells me the same thing (as does -r)
[16:11] <bazhang> Mohero_: well the devs do read this channel; just doubt it on Sunday morning ;]
[16:12] <Mohero_> bazhang: it's afternoon/evening here :P
[16:12] <bazhang> Mohero_: just because I am awake does make me knowledgeable ;]
[16:12] <bazhang> err not
[16:12] <Mohero_> hehe
[16:13] <bazhang> corruptterrorist well if you are using wubi I am guessing you are fairly new to linux; you might want to dual boot with gutsy and get to know it before alpha testing Hardy ;]
[16:15] <Mohero_> it's actually just nice to get a response... I'm getting tired of unresponsiveness... I've posted bugs - right back to the alpha's of 7.10 - about the fact that the NV gforce 8 series cards haven't been setup in the kernel and/or in usplash - they're still marked as new - the problem still exists
[16:15] <Mohero_> sometimes I wonder if people read the bugs posted by non-devs
[16:16] <bazhang> yeah that is hard to know Mohero_
[16:17] <Mohero_> well the NV bug I know should be fixable - I also run Gentoo on the same system - and it works fine on there...
[16:18] <Mohero_> though that's using gensplash and not usplash.
[16:18] <bazhang> though Gentoo did get the vmsplice bug in less than an hour ;]
[16:18] <Lukasz> does anyone know how can I copy the logs to D: drive from external hdd
[16:18] <Lukasz> In recovery console
[16:18] <Mohero_> what's drive D: ?
[16:19] <bazhang> in Vista?
[16:19] <Lukasz> Its Internal disk anothe rpartition
[16:19] <Lukasz> Windows XP
[16:19] <Lukasz> Windows XP C:\
[16:19] <Lukasz> Exteranl HDD Hardy
[16:19] <Lukasz> And D:\ extra partition from internal
[16:19] <bazhang> why not boot into xp copy it over then boot back into ubuntu, plug in usb key and there you have it
[16:20] <Lukasz> I only have Hardy bazhang
[16:20] <bazhang> or make the shared partition available to both of them
[16:20] <Lukasz> I installed Hardy heh
[16:20] <Lukasz> I used the cd instalation
[16:21] <bazhang> oh from ubuntu to xp?
[16:21] <Mohero_> Lukasz - how much do you know about Linux? because we don't use these c: / d: etc extentions....
[16:21] <Lukasz> extarnal hdd Hardy Only I on xo atm
[16:21] <Mohero_> Ubuntu can read / write to NTFS / Fat32 partitions but it won't be named c: or d:
[16:21] <Lukasz> The problem Im having with Ubuntu is fglrx is freezing Mohero_
[16:22] <Lukasz> Ubuntu/Gutsy*
[16:22] <jgraham> anyone here running 64 bit and using firefox beta 3?
[16:22] <Lukasz> Whenever I enable the fglrx and visual effects it freezes on logout Mohero_
[16:23] <Mohero_> hgraham - I am
[16:23] <Mohero_> well, when it doesn't crash :)
[16:23] <bazhang> haha
[16:23] <Mohero_> *jgraham
[16:23] <jgraham> and if so, could they check out http://www.portlandhousingcenter.org/ and tell me if it looks weird?
[16:23] <Lukasz> bazhang, do you know how to get new kernel and custom restricted modules working?
[16:24] <bazhang> Lukasz: to accomplish what?
[16:24] <Lukasz> It should fix fglrx freezing
[16:24] <Mohero_> jgraham: define "Weird" looks OK to me
[16:25] <Lukasz> Someone update it the kernels and it worked for the on Ubuntu forums
[16:25] <bazhang> ah ok--not really into 3D effects as this is still an *alpha* not sure how to go about that right now Lukasz
[16:25] <Lukasz> hmm
[16:25] <Lukasz> I will try ask in forums
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[16:26] <CorruptTerrorist> i have the error bazhang
[16:26] <bazhang> I got the 3d effects working for about 5 seconds and then it went black, had to blindly get to a terminal and disable it and then re enter x server
[16:26] <bazhang> still very early days Lukasz
[16:27] <Lukasz> hmm
[16:27] <bazhang> this will be a LTS so most of that they will have fixed--especially the 3D stuff Lukasz
[16:28] <Lukasz> good :)
[16:28] <Mohero_> but probably not the NV boot stuff...
[16:28]  * Mohero_ rolls eyes
[16:30] <bazhang> maybe they will even get network-manager to work! ;]
[16:30] <Mohero_> i'm hoping for that - I use fixed IP at the office...
[16:31] <bazhang> I was using wicd for wireless after a bit--network manager in gutsy just did not do it for me on my particular hardware
[16:32] <bazhang> read a blog post and the first step was remove n-m ;]
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[16:33] <nemo> incredibly annoying and highly repeatable ubuntu hardy bug
[16:33] <nemo> hold down an arrow key while clicking repeatedly with left mouse button
[16:33] <nemo> (a very likely thing when playing many kinds of games)
[16:34] <nemo> on my machine, USB keyboard and mouse, the arrow key "jams"
[16:34] <nemo> making everything unusable until X is restarted
[16:34] <Assid> yeay
[16:34] <Assid> found a bug in php
[16:36] <Lukasz> Im gonna try something
[16:36]  * bazhang holds his breath
[16:37] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/55843
[16:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 55843 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Erratic keyboard repeat" [Undecided,New]
[16:37] <nemo> maybe
[16:37] <oliver_g4> hello
[16:37] <bazhang> !hi
[16:37] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[16:38] <oliver_g4> in Hardy, how can I open the updater configuration? There's no icon in system -> administration for this as was in Gutsy :-/
[16:38] <bazhang> to check if you have updates?
[16:39] <oliver_g4> no, I want to enable proposed-updates repo and such stuff
[16:40] <bazhang> just add them in synaptic
[16:40] <oliver_g4> I suppose the updater icon has such a menu point in context, but my system is up-to-date right now so there's no updater icon
[16:41] <Mohero_> oliver_g4 system -> Administration -> software sources
[16:41] <Mohero_> same place it was...
[16:41] <oliver_g4> Mohero_: no, it's not there
[16:41] <oliver_g4> Mohero_: I expected it to be there and didn't find it
[16:42] <Mohero_> hmm it *is* there on mine......
[16:42] <oliver_g4> maybe a regression in Hardy Alpha 5?
[16:42] <Mohero_> i'm also Alpha 5..
[16:42] <oliver_g4> this is a fresh install (in Virtualbox) from Alpha 5 ISO
[16:42] <Mohero_> hmmm ok - mines passed through updates, so maybe there's something there...
[16:43] <bazhang> same here--updated a bunch of packages and it is there
[16:44] <oliver_g4> I have 16 entries in system -> administration
[16:44] <oliver_g4> and menu editor doesn't show any disabled entries
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[16:52] <fir3_> hi
[16:53] <bazhang> hi!
[16:53] <Mohero_> 'lo
[16:53] <fir3_> how well does pulseaudio work with older (opensound system) apps/games?
[16:54] <Mohero_> not tried, so can't comment i'm afraid.
[16:54] <Mohero_> but if you try - let us know won't you ;)
[16:55] <wastrel> alpha 5 ?
[16:55] <bazhang> yesh
[16:55] <wastrel> is that the latest?
[16:55] <Mohero_> yep
[16:55] <oliver_g4> do you know the command for starting the repo GUI from terminal?
[16:55] <bazhang> just yesterday wastrel
[16:56] <fir3_> i could try, but i guess it wouldn't run so well from the livecd
[16:56] <bazhang> gksudo synaptic
[16:56] <Mohero_> oliver_g4: the shortcut points to: gksu --desktop /usr/share/applications/software-properties.desktop /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk ;)
[16:57] <Mohero_> I think you could get away with just the sudo and the last part:  /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk
[16:58] <oliver_g4> Mohero_: thanks - /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk doesn't exist on my system!? I'll dig a bit into this...
[17:00] <Mohero_> oliver_g4 run synaptic click settings -> Preferences
[17:00] <oliver_g4> looks like /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk belongs to package software-properties-gtk which is not installed here
[17:01] <Mohero_> oliver_g4 no, settings -> Repositories
[17:01] <Mohero_> ahh interesting
[17:01] <oliver_g4> Mohero_: thanks, but I like the other GUI more :-)
[17:01] <oliver_g4> and I want to know why it's not there
[17:02] <Mohero_> oliver_g4: to be honest I like vi /etc/apt/sources.list and aptitude ;)
[17:02] <bazhang> add/remove?
[17:02] <oliver_g4> is there a log file from the installation?
[17:03] <oliver_g4> Mohero_: I do that on my debian system (but with zile) but on Ubuntu I want to trust the nice GUI :-)
[17:03] <wastrel> i just upgraded i assume now i'm running alpha 5?
[17:03] <Mohero_> rule #1 never trust a gui ;)
[17:03] <bazhang> yes!
[17:04] <Mohero_> especially in alpha builds :)
[17:04] <wastrel> it seems the same
[17:04] <bazhang> keep updating for the next two months and well be final ;]
[17:05] <oliver_g4> Mohero_: it seems that the GUIs in Ubuntu do much more than just editing a single file...
[17:06] <oliver_g4> or to put it other way: if you don't use the Ubuntu tools, you risk making your system deviate too much from the "intended" state which breaks updates :-(
[17:08] <Mohero_> oliver_g4: Alpha builds have a tendancy to break themselves anyway :)
[17:08] <nemo> gah. this X bug is driving me mad
[17:08] <Mohero_> nemo: which X bug?>
[17:12] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[17:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:12] <nemo> it might be this
[17:12] <Mohero_> ahh that one...
[17:12] <nemo> for me, if I hold down a key while clicking on mouse, necessary in games...
[17:12] <nemo> it happens, and I get to log out
[17:12] <Mohero_> yeah... annoying for FPS games ;)
[17:12] <nemo> no kidding.
[17:13] <nemo> not playing an fps though, as it happens
[17:13] <nemo> but still.
[17:14] <nemo> ... just rebooted again
[17:15] <nemo> tried someone's suggestion of unplugging mouse plugging back in.
[17:15] <nemo> s/reboot/logged out/
[17:15] <nemo> anyway. didn't work
[17:15] <nemo> just like unplugging keyboard didn't work.
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[17:20] <Assid> ff3 is broken\
[17:20] <Assid> i cant see yahoo mail (ajax version)
[17:23] <Mohero_> Assid: ff3 isn't actually released yet - so quite possibly...
[17:23] <Mohero_> I can't speak for Yahoo mail - I don't use it, and will now never use it with the M$ stuff going on....
[17:23] <bazhang> a beta on an alpha =broken?
[17:24] <rambo3> i have problem with slow connection. i desabled ipv6.
[17:24]  * bazhang joined this channel way too early ;]
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[17:24] <wastrel> evolution-data-server is hogging my cpu
[17:25] <wastrel> i hate it
[17:25] <Mohero_> bazhang: the sence of humor is always a good thing
[17:25] <bazhang> my beagle or tracker wont stop indexing, but heh is alpha 5
[17:26] <bazhang> Mohero_: have to have it Linux, and alpha in Linux especially ;]
[17:26] <bazhang> err in
[17:26] <Mohero_> yep - agree'd
[17:30] <Mohero_> Doah!!!
[17:31] <Mohero_> I wish I could get this apt thing sorted!
[17:31] <Mohero_> the only email I get on that domain is junk - but that just means I know my email is working ;)
[17:32] <bazhang> Mohero_: you will wish it was broken when it is fixed ;]
[17:32] <Mohero_> no I won't the package that is broken, is the spam filter ;)
[17:32] <alex-weej> anyone know how to get Java applets working in Hardy?
[17:33] <bazhang> you mean flash?
[17:35] <alex-weej> no, Java
[17:35] <alex-weej> it just doesn't work, Firefox asks me to install one of the four available JREs
[17:35] <alex-weej> i have both sun jre 5 and 6
[17:35] <alex-weej> and i've tried uninstalling one or the other
[17:35] <bazhang> what applets do you mean?
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[17:35] <alex-weej> any applets
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[17:36] <bazhang> haha thanks for the precision
[17:36] <alex-weej> http://www.falstad.com/qmatom/
[17:36] <alex-weej> see that?
[17:36] <alex-weej> "Click here to download plugin."
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[17:36] <bazhang> why have both? wont there be some conflicts there?
[17:36] <alex-weej> i didn't have both
[17:36] <alex-weej> i was just trying it to see if it fixed it
[17:37] <alex-weej> tell me, does it work for you?
[17:37] <crimsun_> WFM, but I use icedtea-java7-plugin and neither of sun-java5-plugin nor sun-java6-plugin.
[17:37] <bazhang> I have both sun jre5 and 6 (above)?
[17:38] <alex-weej> what's icedtea?
[17:38] <crimsun_> look in ~/.xsession-errors; you'll likely see the xcb locking bit.
[17:38] <crimsun_> alex-weej: based on openjdk, "java 7"
[17:39] <alex-weej> ** (epiphany-browser:8635): CRITICAL **: void gtk_moz_embed_get_nsIWebBrowser(Gt
[17:39] <alex-weej> kMozEmbed*, nsIWebBrowser**): assertion `GTK_IS_MOZ_EMBED(embed)' failed
[17:39] <alex-weej> oops
[17:39] <alex-weej> nothing to do with that
[17:39] <alex-weej> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[17:39] <alex-weej> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[17:39] <crimsun_> remove sun-java5-plugin and sun-java6-plugin, and install icedtea-java7-plugin
[17:40] <alex-weej> crimsun_: i will try thanks
[17:41] <alex-weej> man, the mirrors have been so slow for me for months
[17:42] <alex-weej> i get about 60 kB/s from them
[17:42] <bazhang> fast here
[17:43] <crimsun_> which mirror are you using?
[17:43] <alex-weej> either the UK or the main mirror
[17:43] <alex-weej> they're both exactly the same
[17:43] <alex-weej> even when i wget the files, same speed
[17:43] <bazhang> Taiwan
[17:43] <bazhang> maxes out my dsl ;]
[17:44] <crimsun_> then don't use either, alex-weej.  If you can accept the 6-hr delay for se's mirror, use that one.
[17:44] <alex-weej> se
[17:44] <Hydrogen> or pick a different one
[17:44] <alex-weej> will try]
[17:44] <Hydrogen> there's a giant list of them
[17:44] <jadacyrus> HI, i upgraded to 8.04 and now wireless is gone.
[17:44] <alex-weej> it's also happening on mac os
[17:44] <alex-weej> maybe it's my network
[17:45] <alex-weej> any other server is fine though
[17:45] <bazhang> which card jadacyrus
[17:45] <Hydrogen> you didn'r really want wireless anyways.
[17:45] <Hydrogen> admit it
[17:45] <bazhang> hehe
[17:45] <alex-weej> yeah, SE is 100 times faster
[17:45] <jadacyrus> bazhang: i think its an intel wireless
[17:45] <bazhang> 3945?
[17:46] <jadacyrus> how do i check again
[17:46] <bazhang> yeah there is a problem right now--it shows wlan0 and wmaster0
[17:46] <jadacyrus> yea
[17:46] <jadacyrus> 3945ABG
[17:46] <bazhang> yup
[17:46] <bazhang> same here
[17:46] <jadacyrus> i just dont get a wireless extension at all
[17:46] <bazhang> me neither
[17:46] <jadacyrus> damn.
[17:47] <jadacyrus> is there a way to fix it
[17:47] <bazhang> still this is only alpha 5, so some time for a fix
[17:47] <jadacyrus> doh!
[17:47] <bazhang> best to stick with gutsy for a bit if you want flawless performance ;]
[17:47] <Assid> err gutsy isnt flawless
[17:48] <Assid> ive broken it soo many times.. made more sense to go alpha
[17:48] <bazhang> the /topic here does mention breakage iirc ;]
[17:48] <jadacyrus> so is there a thread or something that i can refer to about this or?
[17:48] <bazhang> Assid: thus my ;]
[17:48] <bazhang> jadacyrus: file a bug report
[17:48] <bazhang> it will be fixed though
[17:48] <Assid> atleast i can blame it on alpha
[17:49] <Assid> hardy eats too much cpu on my laptop
[17:49] <Assid> atleast compared to gutsy
[17:49] <bazhang> hehe alpha 3 had a lost and found with around 300 items in it
[17:50] <alex-weej> Virgin Media host a mirror
[17:50] <alex-weej> and it's 200 times faster :D
[17:50] <jadacyrus> bazhang: does yours show up in restricted drivers?
[17:50] <bazhang> nay jadacyrus
[17:51] <jadacyrus> me neither
[17:52] <oliver_g4> alex-weej: Java6 plugin doesn't work here as well
[17:53] <jadacyrus> where do I go to report a bug
[17:54] <Hydrogen> !bug | jadacyrus
[17:54] <ubotu> jadacyrus: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:54] <jadacyrus> ty
[17:55] <Enselic> Has anyone made RealPLayer work in FF3b3 in Hardy?
[17:56] <heret1c> enselic> did u try?
[17:58] <Enselic> yes and I fail
[17:58] <Enselic> there are links to the realplayer plugin files in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, but FF doesn't pick them up
[17:58] <heret1c> http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#RealPlayer
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[18:01] <jadacyrus> bazhang: here is my bug report fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/195136
[18:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195136 in ubuntu "No wireless for Intel 3945 in Hardy" [Undecided,New]
[18:01] <bazhang> jadacyrus: thanks! I will subscribe ;]
[18:01] <jadacyrus> :) np
[18:06] <Enselic> heret1c: to my understanding it should work
[18:06] <Enselic> heret1c: but I suspect that the RP plugin simply don't work with ff3
[18:07] <jadacyrus> hey bazhang look what i found http://nikolasco.livejournal.com/395899.html
[18:08] <heret1c> enselic> patience, then. or create a gutsy partition. :)
[18:08] <oliver_g4> btw. do you also have the broken Firefox launcher in panel?
[18:08] <oliver_g4> in Alpha5?
[18:09] <mohbana> can i watch packets?
[18:09] <oliver_g4> mohbana: what do you mean?
[18:09] <heret1c> naw. on a separate partition. sda2/3/4...
[18:09] <jimmygoon> How is the artwork team doing?
[18:09] <mohbana> oliver_g4, watch traffic on my local NAT i.e. router
[18:10] <oliver_g4> mohbana: try Wireshark
[18:10] <bazhang> jadacyrus: so wlan0 and wmaster0 is the new thing? nice link--thanks!
[18:11] <heret1c> enselic> if ur hd is large enough: back up, use qtparted, create partition, install gutsy to it.
[18:11] <Enselic> heret1c: or.. I could just install FF2
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[18:12] <heret1c> enselic> naturally.
[18:12] <jadacyrus> bazhang: not sure i dont have either wlan0 or wmaster0 but it mentions that in the new kernel no longer using ipw3945 and switching to something called iwlwifi ?
[18:12] <Enselic> heret1c: btw your IRC client probably has Tab-completion
[18:13] <heret1c> maybe.
[18:13]  * heret1c is lazy 8)
[18:13] <Enselic> if you were lazy you would do Ens<Tab> rather than enselic> ;)
[18:13] <bazhang> jadacyrus: right, I had heard about that--though probably not fully implemented yet is why we get the two nics in iwconfig etc
[18:14] <jadacyrus> hmm i dont even get any nics in iwconfig
[18:15] <bazhang> is your hardware switch set to on?
[18:15] <jadacyrus> where?
[18:15] <heret1c> ah. so :)
[18:15] <heret1c> Enselic: Enselic
[18:15] <heret1c> yay.
[18:15] <bazhang> front of laptop perhaps?
[18:15] <jadacyrus> oh yeah
[18:15] <jadacyrus> it is
[18:16] <jadacyrus> but i dont even have the iwl3945 module, do you?
[18:17] <heret1c> Enselic> there are benefits to having separate partitions for system and home.
[18:17] <Enselic> heret1c: aaaah! please don't use > after nicks :(
[18:18] <heret1c> Enselic¤ okay.
[18:19] <Enselic> heret1c: haha :d
[18:19] <Yaroze> does pulseaudio work in ubuntu 8.04?
[18:19] <bazhang> jadacyrus: I searched for anything like that in apt-cache search but came up with nada
[18:19] <Enselic> Yaroze: there is a deamon running by default at least
[18:19] <Enselic> Yaroze: but I haven't figured out what good it's for
[18:19] <jadacyrus> bazhang: same here, check ur lsmod for anything with 3945
[18:19] <Yaroze> Enselic: no sound using flash :) i have to download the flashmovie and watch it in mplayer for it to work
[18:19] <heret1c> phew. been at this for twi weeks straight, including a hd crash.
[18:19] <Yaroze> no sound in totem either
[18:19] <Enselic> heret1c: when I have two distros, I generally don't want them to use the same ~-data
[18:20] <jadacyrus> i get nothing
[18:20] <bazhang> me neither
[18:20] <jadacyrus> hmm wierd
[18:20] <jadacyrus> i wonder why you have an interface and i dont
[18:20] <bazhang> nah early alpha ;]
[18:20] <jadacyrus> yah guess so
[18:20] <Enselic> Yaroze: works for me, but I had to reconfigure sound first
[18:20] <Enselic> i.e. automatic reconfigure of sound
[18:20] <Yaroze> hmm?
[18:21] <Enselic> unfortunately I don't remember the command I used. dgpk-reconfigure someting maybe
[18:22] <bazhang>  -a?
[18:23] <Yaroze> also my drives are missing from nautilus even tho theyre mounted :)
[18:33]  * heret1c tips hat at DanaG
[18:35] <DanaG> Hello.
[18:35] <alex_mayorga> anyone that knows a way to run win32 from the existing ntfs partition using qemu?
[18:43] <heret1c> is it just me, or has sound quality improved with 8.04?
[18:43] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, not sure if qemu can but I know that vmware can, but you have to do some setup with the windows partition first otherwise you have driver problems
[18:43] <Tronic> Quite possible. There's a new kernel and that means bugfixed for ALSA.
[18:43] <Tronic> *bugfixes
[18:44] <alex_mayorga> jimmygoon, any pointers?
[18:44] <jimmygoon> alex_mayorga, nope, just google sorry
[18:44] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, have you had any luck browsing bluetooth devices?
[18:44] <DanaG> Hmm, I haven't tried in a while.
[18:45] <alex_mayorga> I still have bug 148712 over here :(
[18:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148712 in gnome-bluetooth "Gusty, Hardy: Not seeing bluetooth services even after pairing" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148712
[18:54] <sarthor>  Hi, i am using gutsy, i have created new user in my gutsy, but there is no voice, the msg is there "No volume control, Gstramer plugin and/or device found", please help, on other user acc. the audio work fine
[18:56] <void^> add user to audio group?
[18:56] <hmuller> Just added strace output for usplash (hardy desktop i386 and amd64) to bug 147623
[18:57] <hmuller> if there's anymore that I can do to help ...
[18:58] <sarthor> void^, i have added as "adduser sarthor audio" but still that msg, shuld i have to relogin??
[18:58] <void^> yes
[18:58] <sarthor> OK.
[19:03] <sarthor> void^, the volume is working now, but 1 other problem, my cmoputer my headphone is plugged in the front pannle of the audio, but the computer built speaker also have sound there. how fix this. there is no problem on xp, but on linux its prob, friends are sleeping so i want to make it silent
[19:03] <void^> no idea
[19:03] <crimsun_> DanaG: ping, do you have time to try a new build?
[19:04] <sarthor> ok
[19:04] <DanaG> I think so.  New build of ALSA?
[19:04] <crimsun_> right.  How familiar are you with bzr?
[19:05] <DanaG> I haven't used it, actually.
[19:06] <DanaG> I've fetched stuff with hg and with svn, though.  I'd assume bzr is somewhat similar.
[19:06] <crimsun_> apt-get source alsa-driver && bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/alsa-driver/ubuntu.new && rm -fr alsa-driver-1.0.16/debian && mv ubuntu.new alsa-driver-1.0.16/debian
[19:07] <crimsun_> apt-get build-dep alsa-driver && fakeroot alsa-driver-1.0.16/debian/rules binary
[19:08] <crimsun_> you _only_ need to install the created alsa-source_1.0.16-0ubuntu3~_all.deb
[19:08] <crimsun_> then, apt-get install module-assistant debconf-utils && m-a clean,a-i alsa-source
[19:08] <DanaG> Currently installing bzr.
[19:12] <DanaG> Now it's running the rules file.
[19:13] <AtomicSpark> Nothing to do with hardy but my question is, i have this folder outside the home directory that is use for samba sharing. now id like to also beable to access it via ssh. i know how to set permissions but my question is how is the best way to do it? right now it seems to be root user and root group, 777.
[19:13] <Yaroze> how do i make pulseaudio work?
[19:13] <AtomicSpark> Yaroze: what is wrong with the pulsing of your audio?
[19:13] <crimsun_> Yaroze: grab an Alpha 5 desktop cd?
[19:14] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, I've considering give bzr a try, what are you testing?
[19:14] <Yaroze> crimsun_: hmm?
[19:15] <crimsun_> Yaroze: it works out of the box (OOTB) in Hardy Alpha 5.  Have you tried Alpha 5?
[19:15] <DanaG> Odd.... cpio was trying to copy lots of random unrelated stuff.
[19:15] <crimsun_> DanaG: yeah, that's quilt.a
[19:15] <DanaG> I'll make a new dir to put the stuff in before running 'rules'.
[19:15] <crimsun_> quilt*
[19:15] <Yaroze> crimsun_: when was alpha 5 released?
[19:15] <DanaG> It was copying everything in the current directory, which was my general 'downloads' directory.
[19:16] <crimsun_> Yaroze: last week (a few days ago)
[19:16]  * heret1c repeats - is it just him, or has sound quality improved with 8.04?
[19:16] <abarbaccia> hey all - i've experienced some problems with hardy and i was wondering if others were having the same issues
[19:16] <crimsun_> heret1c: well, PulseAudio uses the speex resampler instead of ALSA's linear one.
[19:16] <Yaroze> heret1c: i get sound errors when playing games so dunno about that
[19:16] <abarbaccia> anybody lose keypad functionality on their keyboard?
[19:16] <abarbaccia> oh, i also lose sound when the volume drops below 33%
[19:17] <Yaroze> abarbaccia: yes.. and i disabled the keyboard mouse :)
[19:17] <crimsun_> Yaroze: which games?
[19:17] <Yaroze> crimsun_: UrbanTerror
[19:17] <abarbaccia> Yaroze: what do you mean? did you resolve it
[19:17] <heret1c> haven't tried games. just playing shoutcast streams.
[19:17] <Yaroze> abarbaccia: check your keyboard settings
[19:17] <crimsun_> Yaroze: quake2-based?
[19:17] <Yaroze> crimsun_: quake 3 based
[19:17] <abarbaccia> Yaroze: I have. everything seems corret...
[19:17] <Yaroze> abarbaccia: keyboard mouse not on?
[19:17] <crimsun_> Yaroze: so you need to use pasuspender -- q3a
[19:18] <abarbaccia> Yaroze: son of a gun
[19:18] <abarbaccia> Yaroze: 12345!! thanks -- :0)
[19:18] <Yaroze> crimsun_: the sound can work for hours.. then suddenly the quality of the sound goes away :)
[19:18] <AtomicSpark> apparently ubuntu 8.04 A5 doesnt have drivers for the ne2k_pci nic. :\
[19:18] <DanaG> install: cannot stat `debian/alsa-source.rules': No such file or directory
[19:18] <Yaroze> abarbaccia: :)
[19:18] <DanaG> Looks like I need to chdir first.
[19:18] <Yaroze> crimsun_: thought my new headphones was broken :P
[19:19] <Yaroze> but only the game sound gets weird
[19:19] <crimsun_> DanaG: oh, into alsa-driver-1.0.16 probably
[19:19] <DanaG> Yup, I did that and it worked.
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[19:20] <Yaroze> crimsun_: i have a audigy 2 card so no soundcard locking :P
[19:20] <abarbaccia> anybody lose all sound when volume drops below 33%
[19:20] <crimsun_> Yaroze: meaning EMU10k-driven?
[19:20] <Yaroze> crimsun_: i installed 8.04 yesterday so i must be using alpha 5 then
[19:20] <Yaroze> crimsun_: yes
[19:20] <AtomicSpark> abarbaccia: yes. more like 40-50% here. :P i'm on 7.10 though.
[19:20] <crimsun_> abarbaccia: no, what happens?
[19:21] <DanaG> Oh hey, do you know anything about the ADI 1981(HD)?
[19:22] <crimsun_> some.  What in particular?
[19:22] <abarbaccia> crimsun_: When you lower the volume below 33%, all sound cuts out.
[19:22] <DanaG> I'm pondering a laptop for summer, and one option I'm thinking of (HP Compaq 8510p) has that chip.
[19:22] <crimsun_> abarbaccia: no, I mean programmatic repetition, meaning "how are you reproducing it?  with what apps?  under what environments?  alsa-native or pulseaudio-native?" etc.
[19:23] <DanaG> Is there good linux support for that chip, or does it come down to the individual laptop?
[19:24] <abarbaccia> crimsun_: I have rhythmbox playing audio right now, and when i lower the volume below 33% in teh volume-applet the audio cuts out
[19:24] <DanaG> I'm also curious about Asus's Xonar PCIe sound card; I'm considering getting a mini-PCIe-to-PCIe adapter and using that soundcard with the laptop.
[19:25] <Yaroze> crimsun_: i can see audio playing with pavumeter but i hear nothing :)
[19:27] <crimsun_> abarbaccia: / Yaroze: I need details, really.  Run the alsa-info.sh debugging script on wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems.
[19:27] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I figured out something odd about the Audigy2: it does S16LE and Float32LE, but not S24LE.  That confused me when I was trying to use surround51:CARD=Audigy2 in pulseaudio.
[19:27] <abarbaccia> crimsun_: this just started happening too, btw. I'm looking at that script
[19:28] <crimsun_> DanaG: Xonar support is in .16, a bit improved in the snap I've tweaked for you
[19:29] <abarbaccia> crimsun_: http://pastebin.ca/916561
[19:29] <DanaG> I would've thought Xonar would be just a variant of CMI8788, but I guess not.
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[19:29] <crimsun_> no, it's an entirely new set.
[19:30] <DanaG> Hmm, arecord still simply hangs.
[19:31] <crimsun_> DanaG: ok, good.
[19:31] <crimsun_> DanaG: as for the 1981, it has ups and downs.
[19:32] <crimsun_> it's fairly well supported, but of course there are a billion quirks.
[19:32] <crimsun_> with any luck, the model you'd purchase doesn't need new pin configs.
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[19:33] <abarbaccia> crimsun_: did you get my pastebin?
[19:33] <abarbaccia> brb.
[19:34] <AtomicSpark> lols.
[19:34] <DanaG> Here's a service manual for the laptop:  http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.tigerdirect.ca%2Fpdf%2FHP_8510p_8510w_NotebookPC-MnSG.pdf&ei=pcbBR7o9mYiEA8vc4cEH&usg=AFQjCNHd7uDKvVeDbwFYX7CyD3uh3eEb-Q&sig2=IgodItdqhx4raIBuiAYJ7w
[19:34] <DanaG> argh, I hate how Google now mangles URLs.
[19:34] <AtomicSpark> the other room is being spammed. they set out all the ops. XD
[19:35] <DanaG> Two cool features:  "fan always on when on AC power" is a BIOS option, and "swap fn and ctrl" is a BIOS option.  I'd like to meet the people who thought of those two features, because they are very useful and rarely-thought-of.
[19:35] <heret1c> DanaG: tried www.clusty.com ?
[19:37] <AtomicSpark> DanaG: hey buddy, fan always on doesnt seem to work for me. :\ maybe that was just vista taking over.
[19:38] <DanaG> You have that model?
[19:39] <AtomicSpark> what model? thought we were talkinga bout laptop options lol.
[19:40] <alex_mayorga> On buying new laptops, anyone knows someone at Dell that can sell *N laptops outside the US?
[19:40] <MenZa> E1505n laptops are sold in the UK too
[19:40] <MenZa> Germany as well, I think
[19:40] <MenZa> An array of countries anyway
[19:41] <crimsun_> abarbaccia: you need to try the new code I've posted.
[19:41] <alex_mayorga> I've asked for those models here in MX to no avail
[19:42] <heret1c> alex_mayorga: canada/lat.am. coming soon.
[19:42] <alex_mayorga> and I really would like to make my money talk for Ubuntu this time
[19:42] <alex_mayorga> last time pesky Dell woulsn't even let me get a refund on my non used Win CD
[19:43] <alex_mayorga> heret1c, thanks, how soon is soon? where did you get that from?
[19:43] <alex_mayorga> I guess I need to add a comment on bug 1 about it
[19:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[19:44] <abarbaccia> anybody get the "nautilus can't display network:/// locations" error?
[19:44] <heret1c> alex_mayorga: linux part of www.softpedia.com
[19:44] <DanaG> The "this model" I was thinking of is the one of which I linked to the service manual.
[19:44] <AtomicSpark> abarbaccia: everyone gets it. you didnt read the memo.
[19:45] <DanaG> HP Compaq 8510p.
[19:45] <alex_mayorga> is there an official way to contact Dell on this matter?
[19:45] <AtomicSpark> abarbaccia: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha5
[19:45] <DanaG> They actually sell laptops with FreeDOS, and take off 75 bucks (base is Vista Business) for doing so.
[19:45] <AtomicSpark> abarbaccia: read the "caveats" part.
[19:46] <DanaG> HP also exposes interesting rules about stickers.  For example, Intel Wireless card requires "Centrino" sticker; "Centrino Pro" (Intel AMT) requires "Centrino Pro" sticker.
[19:47] <DanaG> What is it that makes capture hang rather than simply recording silence?  Also, what's the difference between "Oxygen" and "Virtuoso", that mandates separate drivers?
[19:48] <abarbaccia> AtomicSpark: very good. thanks
[19:53]  * heret1c discovers linux has a Plug 'n Pray relationship with mobile phones.
[19:53]  * AtomicSpark knows linux invented Plug 'n Play
[19:54]  * DanaG wonders if an ISA SB16 with IDE controller would be at all useful nowadays.
[19:54] <DanaG> Probably not.
[19:54] <heret1c> AtomicSpark: not necessarily the same. 8)
[19:55]  * AtomicSpark thought thats what they called it in windows
[19:55] <crimsun_> DanaG: yes, useful.
[19:55] <crimsun_> there's always _some_ use case.
[19:55]  * AtomicSpark has a ibm ps1
[19:56] <DanaG> We used to have some of those RAM-on-a-stick thingies with the actual row of pins on the bottom.
[19:57] <DanaG> I also have a non-plug-and-play Ensoniq Soundscape, an old ISA VGA card of some sort, and a Voodoo3 2000 PCI.
[20:00] <heret1c> is youtube down?
[20:01] <stdin> apparently so
[20:02] <CorruptTerrorist> loads for me
[20:02] <heret1c> unusual.
[20:02] <heret1c> CorruptTerrorist: .co.uk?
[20:03] <CorruptTerrorist> .com
[20:03] <DanaG> That reminds me of why I so hate flash:
[20:03] <DanaG> *segfault*
[20:03] <DanaG> *segfault*
[20:03] <DanaG> click, back, *segfault*
[20:03] <DanaG> It's really annoying.
[20:03] <h3sp4wn> sure its not flash not nspluginwrapper or badly written flash codde
[20:04] <DanaG> Firefox crashes almost every two or three pages on YouTube... and it's actually crashing on page UNload.
[20:04] <DanaG> I'm also on 32-bit, so nspluginwrapper isn't an issue.
[20:06] <DanaG> Od... somehow Timidity manages to bypass PulseAudio even though it's the default ALSA device, and it also manages to bypass the "PCM" slider of my sound card.
[20:06] <h3sp4wn> interesting - I wonder what they changed recently
[20:06] <abarbaccia> okay i have a pet peeve with hardy. The very top and bottom of the panel bars aren't mart of the menu. Meaning, if i click on the very top of the screen by the word "applications" the menu doesn't open. repeatable on others machines?
[20:06] <h3sp4wn> Seems ok on 32 bit firefox 2
[20:07] <heret1c> ff3 is cwer a cpu hog.
[20:07] <heret1c>      cert
[20:09] <abarbaccia> can someone test this so i can file a bug if needed?
[20:09] <abarbaccia> click the applications menu, but at the VERY top of your screen. Does the menu open?
[20:10] <AtomicSpark> abarbaccia: give me 5 mins. :P the bottom doesnt work in gutsy
[20:10] <abarbaccia> hurm. i never had the problem in gutsy...i don't think at least
[20:11] <DanaG> The top one pixel is eaten by the "edge flip" features in compiz.
[20:11] <AtomicSpark> my mouse has to be at least 5-6 pixels up from the bottom edge
[20:11] <DanaG> That's what's going on.
[20:11] <DanaG> Oh, you have your menu at the bottom?
[20:11] <abarbaccia> DanaG: I have my menu on the top
[20:12] <abarbaccia> DanaG: The top pixel is claimed by compiz you're saying -- because its KILLING me right now
[20:12] <abarbaccia> shouldn't it be passing that even through if its not calling any action?
[20:12] <alex_mayorga> talking on video problems, anyone else seeing the display "refresh" diagonally
[20:13] <AtomicSpark> abarbaccia: i am reinstalling hardy because it couldnt detect my net2k driver. ill check when its done.
[20:13] <abarbaccia> alright, great.
[20:13] <abarbaccia> it just doesn't seem right to me
[20:14] <abarbaccia> i hope its a bug and not a design choice
[20:14] <AtomicSpark> assuming the alt install works for me. didnt for 7.10. :\ stupid freeze at loading boot scripts.
[20:14] <DanaG> Turn off all the edge-flip triggers and the pixel-eating will go away.
[20:14] <alex_mayorga> Is there a way to re-install a different kernel, but keep the data intact?
[20:15] <alexrudd0> which data?
[20:15] <alex_mayorga> like doing a repair install in win32 or something of sorts
[20:15] <DanaG> I wonder..... what could I use a Smart Card reader for?
[20:15] <AtomicSpark> what :|
[20:15] <alex_mayorga> I'd like to test amd kernel on my turion laptop
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> copying junk to sd / mmc cards ?
[20:16] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, to use disk encryption maybe
[20:16] <alexrudd0> you mean you have x86 and you want to try amd64?
[20:16] <P2502> alex_mayorga: you may install as much kernels as you want and switch betwen them
[20:16] <alex_mayorga> P2502, can you tutor me, n00b here, sorry
[20:16] <DanaG> Aah yes, you got the difference betwen smartcard and any memory format.
[20:16] <sarthor> youtube is Back
[20:17] <AtomicSpark> SD is winning the card "format war"
[20:17] <abarbaccia> DanaG: Do i disable them in the compiz configuration tool? and do you know what effect specifically
[20:17] <DanaG> Are you using wall or cube?
[20:18] <alex_mayorga> alexrudd0, right
[20:18] <sarthor> sorry i pasted off topinc
[20:18] <DanaG> Anyway, it'd be "edge flip {pointer,drag,move}"
[20:18] <alex_mayorga> actually I seem to have generic as of now
[20:18] <sarthor> topic*
[20:18] <alexrudd0> alex_mayorga: that's not just a kernel - you have to recompile/reinstall *everything*
[20:18] <alex_mayorga> alexrudd0, what do I do?
[20:19] <P2502> alex_mayorga: just backup your data and do anything
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: Actually do you mean a smartcard reader like I have on my sparc ?
[20:19] <alex_mayorga> P2502, anything being?
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> Those ones you use instead of having to logon you just put the card in
[20:19] <AtomicSpark> alex_mayorga: is there a reason you want 64 bit? i accepted the fact that I don't need it yet. most of the apps that run on it are just 32 bit recompiled, not optimized at all.
[20:19] <alex_mayorga> I'd like to have smart card if only for authentication purposes
[20:20] <h3sp4wn> secureid is quite nice to use but you need an aceserver somewherre
[20:20] <DB44> is 8.04 coming out with alsa 0.16 and eclipse 3.3.1.1 ?
[20:20] <alex_mayorga> AtomicSpark, just trying to be a "good citizen" and test thoroughly :)
[20:20] <DanaG> That HP laptop I linked to has a true SmartCard reader.
[20:21] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, does HP do ubuntu right out of the box? or freeDOS at least?
[20:22] <DB44> is 8.04 coming out with alsa 0.16 and eclipse 3.3.1.1 ?
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[20:22] <h3sp4wn> HP does SLES only at least for my new laptop
[20:22] <AtomicSpark> alex_mayorga: HP doesnt have ubuntu afaik. you can get freedos on the "configurable" ones, no smartbuys.
[20:22] <DanaG> I just hope they replace the HD2600 with a 3xxx-series card by summer.
[20:23] <alex_mayorga> is there a formal team to push ubuntu to OEMs?
[20:23] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: Does the slot have SC next to it (I think I have one if it does) no idea where to buy the cards from though (got a finger print scanner as well I will probably never use)
[20:23] <abarbaccia> DanaG: Thanks, I switched to cube and there are no problems with edge flips or anything. Should i file a bug for the wall?
[20:24] <DanaG> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=167884
[20:24] <AtomicSpark> i have a compaq 6820s. its their new business laptops. pretty. works well. i don't get all the hp bashing.
[20:24] <DanaG> Have I linked to HP Japan's wallpapers?     http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> I have a 8710w
[20:25] <DanaG> Do you know anybody who has the 8510p?  I'm curious what the fan behavior is like.
[20:25] <AtomicSpark> neato. i enjoy my 17" notebook. mm full keyboard.
[20:25] <h3sp4wn> It seems pretty good so far decent screen and a quadro (hopefully less mesing around with drivers)
[20:25] <AtomicSpark> that samon wallpaper is what shipped with mine.
[20:26] <alex_mayorga> inspiron 1501 here
[20:26] <DanaG> Oh, and HP subtracts 5 bucks if you choose Broadcom wifi.
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> Mine is 17" as well I don't have a full keyboard though (the home end part is squashed up)
[20:26] <AtomicSpark> h3sp4wn: i have a numpad. yes. go me.
[20:26]  * AtomicSpark finds pics
[20:26] <alex_mayorga> how bearable is a 17" to take to bed and stuff?
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> got a numeric keypad and normal jeyboard
[20:26] <DanaG> I currently have a Gateway M685; I'm sick of carrying around the 7.5 pounds PLUS the power brick.
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> but home end pg up pg dn is moved
[20:27] <AtomicSpark> http://images.google.com/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=6820s&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> I don;t int
[20:27] <DanaG> (M685 is also known as nx860{,x,xl})
[20:27] <alex_mayorga> I still believe 12" is the right size
[20:27] <AtomicSpark> mine is 6.5 lbs. not bad for a 17".
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> end to carry this around I have a thinkpad X31 that is indistructable
[20:28] <alex_mayorga> does Lenovo sell no OS models?
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> Well not totally but its survived 6 months of punishment so far and its fine
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> I think you can get suse now - I dunno this is on of the last IBMs
[20:29]  * AtomicSpark doesnt like opensuse
[20:29] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I'd assume the 8710w has the same audio chip as the 8510p....
[20:29] <alex_mayorga> back in college I had friends that step on their alloy thinkpads to test ruggedness
[20:30] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: Seems to work there is no hardware mixer which is a bit crappy though
[20:30] <alex_mayorga> they survived
[20:30] <h3sp4wn> and it seems to like un muting itself under some circumstances (that could be gnome though)
[20:30] <alex_mayorga> but these were pre-lenovo models, I wonder if they still put magnesium alloy around the LCD
[20:31] <AtomicSpark> you have to be kidding me! it doesnt see that driver either. X(. stupid ubuntu in kvm.
[20:33] <h3sp4wn> http://rafb.net/p/uvkxh225.html (That is the lspci) dunno whether its the same or not
[20:35] <DanaG> Oh hey, have you used Windows on the laptop?  Does Speedfan work?
[20:35] <DanaG> (The HP 8710w)
[20:35] <h3sp4wn> Never booted Windows even once
[20:36] <h3sp4wn> I have the recovery partition still though - maybe I will want / need to one day
[20:36] <AtomicSpark> recovery partitions make me sad. i demand cd's.
[20:37] <h3sp4wn> I don't care I don't want windows anyway
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[20:39] <AtomicSpark> why not? good for things.
[20:40] <Tronic> There seems to be a bug in the new librsvg that just appeared on Hardy (2.22.0-1). The older version (2.20.0-1) worked fine, but this one segfaults in _rsvg_acquire_xlink_resource.
[20:40] <alex_mayorga> only win app I miss is Joost
[20:41] <alex_mayorga> I've recall I read about a easier integration of wine
[20:41] <AtomicSpark> wow. hp updated their website. not bad.
[20:42] <alex_mayorga> but don't recall the name of it, any wine experts
[20:42] <AtomicSpark> maybe if they finally have a single username and password for the entire site, i wont hate them as much.
[20:44] <Kuni> hey everyone
[20:44] <Kuni> I've got an issue with the Wubi installer
[20:44] <Kuni> About halfway through, it claims that it is unable to access the CD. Anyone know how I could fix this?
[20:45] <alex_mayorga> Kuni, did you ckecked the media for errors?
[20:45] <Kuni> not yet
[20:46] <Kuni> but I've been able to boot from the disc and use the livecd session on another machine
[20:49] <alex_mayorga> during the install you might exercise part of the CD that are not used on a live session, might be worth a check
[20:50] <Kuni> yeah, my friend (whose system this is) says it fails at the same point every time, so I'm guessing that's it, I'll check
[20:56] <heret1c> appears like many have problems with the monitor/disply module in system settings.
[20:57] <heret1c> going back quite some time, too.
[20:58] <alex_mayorga> heret1c, bug?
[20:59] <heret1c> alex_mayorga: spot on.
[21:00] <heret1c> over-reported,
[21:01] <heret1c> "libpython2.5.so not found in paths"
[21:02] <heret1c> !"libpython2.5.so not found in paths"
[21:02] <heret1c> ! libpython2.5.so not found in paths
[21:03] <heret1c> smeg.
[21:04] <Kuni> heret1c: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/190091
[21:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190091 in meta-kde "SYSTEM SETTING MONITOR AND DISPLAY  LIBPYTHON2.5.SO NOT FOUND IN PATHS in hardy herron (dup-of: 138189)" [Undecided,New]
[21:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138189 in pykdeextensions "application tries to dlopen /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so (only found in the -dev package) " [High,In progress]
[21:05] <alex_mayorga> well, I can confirm it :)
[21:05] <Kuni> yeah, me too.
[21:05] <Kuni> twice over.
[21:05] <alex_mayorga> hehe
[21:06] <alex_mayorga> heret1c, do you want me to test anything?
[21:06] <heret1c> Kuni: thanks. that's it.
[21:06] <Kuni> np
[21:06] <Kuni> there's a seperate one for kubuntu, too, I forget which one it is
[21:06] <alex_mayorga> mine is gnome tough
[21:07] <Kuni> lol
[21:07] <nhaines> ls
[21:07] <Kuni> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/189999
[21:07] <nhaines> wrong window, sorry.  :)
[21:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189999 in kde-systemsettings "[hardy] kubuntu libpython2.5.so (dup-of: 138189)" [Undecided,New]
[21:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138189 in pykdeextensions "application tries to dlopen /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so (only found in the -dev package) " [High,In progress]
[21:10] <heret1c> broken symlink?
[21:11] <alex_mayorga> heret1c, do you know the fix?
[21:12] <heret1c> al> enlighten me?
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[21:13] <alex_mayorga> you enlighten me :)
[21:13] <heret1c> CorruptTerrorist: u wouldn't happen to live in Pennsylvania Av. 1600 / Wash. DC? 8)
[21:14] <DanaG> Oh hey, with that HP 8710p, what are the quicklaunch buttons?
[21:14] <DanaG> I mean, what logos are there?
[21:14] <heret1c> locate libpython2.5.so
[21:15] <CorruptTerrorist> heret1c, why?
[21:15] <CorruptTerrorist> oh hahahahah
[21:16] <heret1c> CorruptTerrorist: 8)
[21:16] <heret1c> the minkee-in-chimp 'isself!
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[21:17] <crimsun_> hmph, we broke g-p-m.
[21:18]  * crimsun_ looks at bugs.lp/u/+s/g-p-m
[21:19] <alex_mayorga> heret1c, I found it
[21:19] <alex_mayorga> libpython2.5.so.1 -> libpython2.5.so.1.0
[21:20] <heret1c> so mon/disp expects a pointer to those from somewhere.
[21:20] <alex_mayorga> these are under /usr/lib
[21:20]  * heret1c nods
[21:24] <crimsun_> well, that's a step in the right direction
[21:25] <crimsun_> at least g-p-m from ted's ppa can tell if I'm on AC vice battery (using linux 2.6.24-10.16-generic)
[21:25] <crimsun_> now to figure out which set of patches need to be reverted/rediffed
[21:26] <lucasvo> I have an ubuntu base system installed (edgy) is it save to upgrade to heron directly? should I use dist-upgrade or upgrade? I want to install ubuntu-desktop, should I do that before or after upgrading?
[21:26] <crimsun_> lucasvo: edgy->feisty->gutsy->hardy
[21:26] <lucasvo> I have reasons not to install HH directly from an alpha image :)
[21:27] <crimsun_> any other migration path is unsupported currently
[21:27] <crimsun_> when hardy is released, both gutsy->hardy and dapper->hardy will be supported
[21:27] <lucasvo> crimsun_: even with only the base system?
[21:28] <crimsun_> yes.
[21:28] <lucasvo> crimsun_: and I imagine installing ubuntu-desktop afterwards is a wiser(faster) choice?
[21:28] <crimsun_> now - that said, it is possible to do feisty->hardy
[21:28] <crimsun_> I haven't tried edgy->hardy
[21:28] <lucasvo> crimsun_: ok
[21:28] <crimsun_> yes, that's the recommended path
[21:28] <lucasvo> ok
[21:29] <crimsun_> err, not the _supported_ path, to be clear.
[21:29] <lucasvo> cool, thanks.
[21:29] <crimsun_> but you can if it tweaks your jimmies.
[21:29] <lucasvo> crimsun_: I've been using development versions all the time. since edgy
[21:29] <crimsun_> lucasvo: I'm only saying that for posterity.
[21:29] <lucasvo> I'm used to the fixing and that stuff
[21:29] <lucasvo> crimsun_: sure
[21:30] <lucasvo> crimsun_: I'm glad that I finally found the time to remove the crappy vista from my tablet pc
[21:30] <alex_mayorga> crimsun_: haha posterity
[21:30] <heret1c> crimsun_: any news/rumors as to when ide hds will be hdparmable again?
[21:30] <crimsun_> heret1c: no idea and beyond my area.  Sorry.
[21:31] <heret1c> crimsun_: ah.
[21:31] <lucasvo> crimsun_: is me testing LTS upgrade any help? (only with ubuntu-base installed)
[21:32] <crimsun_> lucasvo: absolutely!
[21:32] <Flannel> lucasvo: update-manager-core should still work (and you'd be testing it)
[21:33] <Flannel> crimsun_: How does the dapper upgrade work anyway?  I noticed there weren't proper transitional packages in hardy.
[21:33] <alex_mayorga> heret1c, anything else you need me to check?
[21:34] <crimsun_> Flannel: err, _which_ packages are missing transitional ones?
[21:35] <Flannel> crimsun_: Kernel ones
[21:35] <lucasvo> uhm actually I don't run LTS anyway. I'm on edgy already.
[21:35] <Flannel> there's no -686, for instance, or any of the others
[21:36] <heret1c> bbl
[21:36] <Flannel> -base, -standard, and -desktop are all there (obviously) and I haven't checked any others, but the kernel ones aren't
[21:36] <Flannel> I suppose those are metapackages anyway, but the kernel will need a transitional
[21:37] <crimsun_> well, u-m should handle those
[21:37] <Flannel> no, kernels are dependant on -minimal
[21:37] <Flannel> er, other way around
[21:38] <Flannel> and, arent, even.  sheesh.  u-m doesn't depend on linux-generic
[21:38] <crimsun_> it shouldn't
[21:39] <crimsun_> u-m should handle them.
[21:39] <Flannel> what is u-m then?
[21:39] <crimsun_> update-manager
[21:39] <Flannel> Ah
[21:39] <Flannel> so, what exactly does it do?
[21:39] <crimsun_> that said, if you feel like filing a wishlist bug against linux to add those transitional packages for -[56]86, feel free
[21:39] <Flannel> since, its not the same as it has been (check third parties, check metapackages, change sources, dist-upgrade)
[21:40] <Flannel> I'm just trying to understand what update-manager(-core) does, since I'm going to have to support botched upgrades in #ubuntu once april comes around
[21:41] <Flannel> crimsun_: File against which package?
[21:41] <crimsun_> linux.
[21:42] <crimsun_> see update-manager's README.dist-upgrade.  You'll find the code in AutoUpgradeTester/ and DistUpgrade/ fairly informative.
[21:44] <crimsun_> ok, food time.
[21:44] <Flannel> thanks crimsun_
[22:35] <alex_mayorga> does anyone have wine working?
[22:35] <alex_mayorga> I get Segmentation fault (core dumped) when running winecfg
[22:36] <bardyr> alex_mayorga, i downloaded the lastest release (deb) from there site, and it worked
[22:36] <alex_mayorga> will try that,
[22:36] <alex_mayorga> thanks
[22:39] <alex_mayorga> it's bug 191575
[22:46] <MenZa> IS anyone here having issues with flashplayer not playing videos on YouTube properly? Mine stops after af few seconds, despite buffering completely.
[22:47] <MenZa> hmm, I think it was a sound server issue - I closed Banshee and now it works.
[22:47] <MenZa> Odd.
[22:48] <wolverian> how are you supposed to create new virtual machines in virt-manager? the buttons are greyed out.
[22:49] <wolverian> am I missing a package? :)
[22:49] <wolverian> running virt-manager --show-domain-creator doesn't launch the app at all
[22:51] <wolverian> I *did* install KVM.. I wonder what else I need.
[22:52] <wolverian> ah. I need to manually connect first. nevermind, then..
[23:19] <alex_mayorga> bardyr, so wine 0.9.56 needs packaging then?
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[23:25] <jadacyrus> can't change my desktop wallpaper in hardy..
[23:37] <unenough> It should be called Hardly! not hardy.
[23:37] <unenough> (for now).
[23:39] <alex_mayorga> jadacyrus, I just changed my wallpaper
[23:39] <lucasvo> hi
[23:40] <lucasvo> I just installed hardy heron.
[23:40] <lucasvo> one "bug" I noticed: when I enter my username on GDM the font is way to big and doesn't fit into the box.
[23:40] <lucasvo> the same is the case in guifications of pidgin. they use the same font style
[23:41] <lucasvo> is that a bug at all, is it because I have a broken system or is it even intended? :)
[23:41] <MenZa> Sounds like a bug. Did you install a fresh version?
[23:41] <alex_mayorga> you mean you see big dots instead of small ones?
[23:41] <lucasvo> alex_mayorga: no
[23:41] <lucasvo> the font size is to big
[23:42] <lucasvo> 20px instead of 12 or whatever
[23:42] <alex_mayorga> which results on big dots on the password fields
[23:42] <alex_mayorga> I've seen that certainly
[23:42] <lucasvo> aha you mean these dots
[23:42] <lucasvo> yes
[23:42] <lucasvo> alex_mayorga: I meant you were asking for big pixels or something
[23:43] <alex_mayorga> by the way FF3 seems to get that right, normal dots
[23:43] <lucasvo> alex_mayorga: it's not only the dots, also the username
[23:43] <lucasvo> and the notifications
[23:43] <alex_mayorga> lucasvo, if you file it please subscribe me please ;)
[23:44] <lucasvo> can I make a print screen in gdm?
[23:46] <lucasvo> alex_mayorga: how can I take a screenshot?
[23:47] <lamalex> I'm having an issue with the new gnome-clock applet
[23:47] <lucasvo> alex_mayorga: did you search for it on LP?
[23:47] <lamalex> whenever I click it, my panel freezes
[23:47] <unenough> why is my background white? and icons are hidden but there?
[23:47] <unenough> help
[23:47] <alex_mayorga> lucasvo, dunno, not really I don't even know how to describe it
[23:48] <lamalex> is there a spot in gconf it would be?
[23:50] <lamalex> found it nm
[23:53] <lamalex> but no dice
[23:55] <lamalex> is there a way to reset it back to the stock default?
[23:57] <sarthor> Hi, there is a lot of traffice on port udp 137, what problem my users will if i blocked 137 udp/tcp port?? shuld i have to block this??
[23:58] <Mohero> Hi all
[23:59] <Mohero> bazhang: don't know if you're still here - but I managed to fix the problem I was having.