[00:28] <Hobbsee> morning
[00:29] <j1mc> hi Hobbsee.
[00:31] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[00:31] <geser> Hi Hobbsee
[00:32] <Hobbsee> sky fallen in yet?
[00:32] <pochu> hey Hobbsee
[00:33] <geser> can't see, it's dark outside
[00:33] <Hobbsee> oh
[00:34] <pochu> pitti: hi, would you have a minute, could you see if you anything wrong in this apport hook for tracker-extract? TIA. http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/tracker.py
[00:34]  * Hobbsee sets geser's house on fire then
[00:34] <pochu> s/you/you see/
[00:35] <pochu> pitti: it's not stopping me from reporting a crash in tracker-extract (I sended sigsegv to it to test the hook)
[00:35] <j1mc> hi pochu
[00:37] <pochu> hi j1mc, how is it going?
[00:40] <j1mc> pochu: fine, thx.  i've been contributing to xubuntu docs lately.  it's easier for me to do on my own schedule, rather than the testing stuff, which has to be done at certain times.
[01:21] <mgunes> which package is the pop-up volume indicator that appears when adjusting volume with keyboard belong to? top suspects: gnome-media, gnome-applets
[01:28] <Fujitsu> mgunes: I think that's actually gnome-settings-daemon.
[01:29] <mgunes> Fujitsu, I suspected that too, since g-s-d gets active when playing with volume, but couldn't see any relevant bug reports in the g-s-d component in GNOME bugzilla.
[01:30] <Fujitsu> What's the issue?
[01:30] <mgunes> bug #194656
[01:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194656 in gnome-media "make the volume bar show a real GTK+ bar" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194656
[01:44] <zooko> Can we get Python 2.5.2 into Hardy?
[01:45] <zooko> Or, to put it another way, there a handful of known bugs in Python 2.5.1, along with patches to fix them.
[01:45] <zooko> Can we get some or all of those patches into Hardy?
[01:45] <zooko> :-)
[01:46] <Fujitsu> !weekend
[01:46] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[01:48] <jimlay> I gather this isn't exactly the correct place to ask a lot of the questions I have, but I'm not sure where to go. I want to ask questiions like "Compiz.real has been using 90% cpu for a few hours but nothing on my computer is doing anything. I want to inspect it but I don't understand what's going on." or "Where can I get an overview of what is going on? I've avoided gnome  for most of a decade  now because it makes me feel like I don'
[01:48] <jimlay> I have lots of such questions.
[01:48] <jimlay> Fujitsu, is anyone around?
[01:49] <zooko> I'm not sure, but maybe #ubuntu-help ?
[01:49] <Pici> jimlay: You can try #compiz-fusion for your compiz specific questions, and #ubuntu for everything else.
[01:51] <zooko> I'm a paid developer, but I'm paid to work on something else (http://allmydata.org ), so I'm more likely to work on Ubuntu during weekends.  ;-)
[01:54] <jimlay> who pays you to work on allmydata?
[01:57] <zooko> jimlay: http://allmydata.com
[01:57] <zooko> The .com sells consumer backup services.
[01:57]  * lamont scratches his head and wonders how exactly the system can be right in reporting 30KB/s through a 128kbps line...
[01:58] <slangasek> metric vs. English seconds
[01:58] <sistpoty> heh
[01:58] <jimlay> #ubuntu is sort of an explosion of noise.  I'm still trying to figure out who is responsible for the package containing the text installer. I managed to  clobber about 300gb last week using the installer and I Didn't get a notice that the operation I was about to perform was non-reversable.
[01:59] <jimlay> lol
[01:59] <jimlay> If there is a bug in the alt-cd install program - what do I do?
[01:59] <lamont> slangasek: well, it got over it's fantasy and is now reporting 10K/s, which fits
[01:59] <jimlay> if I knew what package it was I'd know what to do - but I can't figure it out.
[01:59] <zooko> jimlay: reportbug
[01:59] <zooko> Ah.
[02:00] <lamont> jimlay: file a bug against the debian-installer package,  I expect
[02:00] <lamont> of course, if it's a bug in one of the 50 bazillian udebs that debian-installer brings in to do it's work, then it's not a debian-installer bug necessarily.  OTOH, that does seem to be a popular dumping ground
[02:01] <sistpoty> lamont: btw.: do you have an idea what might caused ghc6 on sparc to fail (looks like it was externally killed from s.th.): http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11902091/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-sparc.ghc6_6.8.2-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:01] <lamont> OOM maybe?
[02:01] <sistpoty> OOM?
[02:01] <lamont> out of memory
[02:02] <jimlay> Who pays the paid ubuntu developers?
[02:02] <lamont> although looking at it, here's the reason:
[02:02] <lamont> make: *** [build-stamp] Terminated
[02:02] <lamont>  ...killed.
[02:02] <lamont> Build killed with signal 15 after 149 minutes of inactivity
[02:02] <lamont> jimlay: I expect that there are multiple companies who pay people to work on ubuntu stuff.
[02:02] <lamont> canonical ltd (www.canonical.com) pays a bunch of them
[02:03] <sistpoty> yes, I've seen that... but what caused that (or what means inactivity there)... btw.: I'm still building at on an ultrasparc 2 (for more than 24 hours now and it still makes progress *g*)
[02:03] <lamont> sistpoty: for 149 minutes, it failed to generate any output to stdout
[02:03] <lamont> Setting up bind9 (1:9.5.0~b2-0~gutsy1) ...
[02:03] <lamont> Reloading AppArmor profiles  Skipping profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd.dpkg-old
[02:03] <lamont> : Warning.
[02:03] <lamont>  * Starting domain name service... bind                                                       [ OK ]
[02:03]  * lamont vomits
[02:04] <lamont> and bind9 installs again.  go me.
[02:05] <sistpoty> lamont: oh... any chance, to increase that timeout? (it does some heavy ghc6 -> c-file -> gcc things, which really take a long time for gcc to be done with one file (at least on the test box I'm using right now)
[02:06] <lamont> sistpoty: yes..  poke infinity on mondya
[02:07] <sistpoty> lamont: thanks, will do (I hope my testbuild will have succeeded by then *g*)
[02:08] <zooko> Good night, folks.
[02:09] <jimlay> How many MOTU's are there?
[02:10] <lamont> jimlay: not enough (and I don't know an  actual number)
[02:10] <lamont> note that many core-devs are also unpaid volunteers
[02:11] <lamont> jimlay: for example, I do not get paid to work on ubuntu.
[02:12] <jimlay> are you a core-dev?
[02:13] <lamont> since before it was ubuntu
[02:14] <simon360> hey
[02:14] <lamont> (I do currently receive money from canonical for system administration activities, those activities do not include distro work)
[02:15] <lamont> jimlay: I was paid ubuntu development staff from march 2004 through may 2005
[02:20] <jimlay> Ok, so issue #1. The problem I had with the alt-installer was pretty serious - I managed to run lucsFormat on a partition with data on it and lost a bunch of stuff. I assumed that because I was mounting an encrypted volume with the same crypt key the data would be there - I did a lot of figuring out after the fact and now I need to figure out who's responsible for that particular bit of the installer. I don't feel like poosting a bug -
[02:21] <jimlay> Forum, irc, mailing list from the package-maintainer field in the debian-installer package?
[02:23] <Fujitsu> jimlay: You should have told it to not overwrite it...
[02:24] <jimlay> ?
[02:25] <jimlay> Fujitsu: are you familliar with what I'm talking about?
[02:26] <Fujitsu> Is there not an option set by default to overwrite the entire volume with random data?
[02:26] <jimlay> no I didn't do that.
[02:29] <jimlay> I had an encrypted install of 32bit and while installing 64 bit I told it I wanted to mount the encrypted volume - but not format it. When it mapped the device it asked for my crypt key it used it to generate a new keyfile. Luks uses the users crypt key to encrypt the actual key on the disk - that way you can change your password without hhaving to re-encript everything. Well, when I gave it my key to map the device, rather than mappin
[02:29] <jimlay> The data was unrecoverable (I had almost all of it backed up).
[02:32] <jimlay> Where the sticking point is, is that when I went to map the device (the last window before it alll went kuput) I got a warning that said "after this you wont be able to make any more changes to the partition table on your unencrypted volumes" but it didn't give any warning that it was about to run luksFormat which is a potentially dammaging command. Partitioners should function such that when you always get a big nasty message about "a
[02:36] <lamont> that sounds like the parted piece that does the formatting...
[02:36] <lamont> if it was me, and I couldn't figure out which package it should be in a reasonable time, I'd dump it on debian-installer and let them migrate it to the right package, since they actually know what udebs do what and such.
[02:38] <jimlay> indeed parted looks like it is the package.
[02:40] <lamont> that or the individual filesystem beastie under it
[02:41] <jimlay> the maintainer for parted is ubuntu-devel-discuss so I'm just going to send it to that.
[02:43] <sistpoty> jimlay: please rather file a bug on launchpad... makes it much easier for developers to pick that up and sort in instead of a mail to ubuntu-devel-discuss
[02:44] <jimlay> ok - that's why I asked. thanks.
[02:46] <Laney> What package should bugs with the Live CD environment be filed against?
[02:47] <sistpoty> Laney: what bug are you stumbling into? (I guess casper would be the right package, if it was live-cd only, but not showing in an installed system)
[02:47] <Laney> sistpoty: I was looking to triage bug 194927
[02:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194927 in ubuntu "Error: Could not launch application: Not a launchable item" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194927
[02:50] <sistpoty> Laney: hm... might be a gnome-s.th. problem as well as a problem of unionfs... however I guess the most common denominator would be casper
[02:51] <Laney> sistpoty: OK, I guess the most important thing is getting the right people to look at it...
[02:52] <sistpoty> Laney: yep, I assume that casper devs will know where it can come from ;) (as I usually know where trigger bugs come from *g*)
[04:21] <simon360> I have a panel setup in Gnome that I want to apply to a derivative. I know it needs to go into /usr/share/gconf/defaults/ into a file I can't remember the name of right now, but that file is long and would take a while to write in the way I need it...
[04:21] <simon360> is there something that will export my gconf configuration to an XML file instead of a series of directories with xml files within them?
[04:23] <simon360> nevermind, figured it out
[04:23] <simon360> use gconftool-2 --dump /apps/panel
[04:25] <simon360> I spent all day trying to find that, and as soon as I ask here I find it myself :P
[05:08] <slangasek> jimlay: partman-crypto, FWIW.  BTW, many of your comments above were being cut off because you hit the IRC message limit; you may want to take care to write in shorter chunks, or to use something like irssi's splitlong.pl
[05:11]  * slangasek wonders why in the world the abiword maintainer decided to handle a build failure with current libgoffice by disabling the goffice bits and shipping an empty abiword-plugins-gnome package :P
[05:16] <jdong> slangasek: must've had medical training. when in doubt snip it out :)
[05:20] <slangasek> I find my mistrust of doctors strangely reinforced
[05:26] <genbuntu> hi
[05:27]  * simon360 is bedding hoimself
[06:06] <evand> Anyone know how I can get the "Ubuntu Developer" tag on the forums?
[06:07] <StevenK> evand: I think you beg the forum admins
[06:08] <evand> I was afraid of that.
[06:08] <evand> thanks StevenK
[06:21] <ScottK2> evand: Talk to jdong.  He's easy.
[06:24] <evand> ok, thanks
[06:24] <evand> jdong: ping ^
[06:27] <evand> jdong: nevermind
[06:33] <slangasek> geser: do we need to get the new upstream version of evolution-sharp packaged, to match the version of evolution we have? (bug #194456)
[06:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194456 in evolution-sharp "FTBFS in latest archive rebuild test" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194456
[10:52] <yao_ziyuan> i want to borrow some ubuntu developers who are familiar with scim configuration to #kubuntu-devel
[10:53] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[10:53] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[10:53] <yao_ziyuan> east asian input method setup is currently the deadliest problem in Kubuntu
[10:57] <Chipzz> Hobbsee: you at fosdem?
[10:57] <Chipzz> (guessing not)
[10:59] <Hobbsee> Chipzz: nope.  i'm in the wrong country for that
[13:03] <geser> slangasek: if you have some time for sponsoring: bug 194566, bug 194446, bug 194529
[13:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194566 in usbutils "FTBFS in latest rebuild test" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194566
[13:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194446 in bogofilter "FTBFS in latest archive rebuild test" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194446
[13:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194529 in lockfile-progs "FTBFS in latest archive rebuild test" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194529
[13:24] <lucas> what's the status of ubuntu wrt upstart? installed by default? since when?
[13:24] <StevenK> lucas: Since Edgy, 6.10
[13:24] <lucas> ok
[13:25] <lucas> thank you
[13:39] <SuperKBilly_> hi
[15:06] <bigon> apt-cache policy mplayer
[15:06] <bigon> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[15:06] <bigon> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hardy_universe_i18n_Translation-fr
[15:06] <bigon> any clue? changing the locales fix the problem
[15:36] <asac> Riddell: there?
[15:38] <jpatrick> asac: FOSDEM I think
[15:40] <asac> k
[15:52] <soren> bigon: Try removing that file and do an apt-get update.
[16:33] <jdong> evand: did you get the tag you wanted?
[16:42] <Adri2000> bigon: open that file and remove the ^Ms at the top of it
[16:45] <ogra_cmpc> soren, in your virtual images, do you use grub anywhere ?
[16:46] <soren> ogra_cmpc: all the time.
[16:46] <soren> ogra_cmpc: Why?
[16:46] <ogra_cmpc> soren, how do you install griub in such an image then ?
[16:47] <soren> ogra_cmpc: I'm not entirely sure I understand the question...
[16:47] <soren> ogra_cmpc: You boot an iso...
[16:47] <soren> ogra_cmpc: ...perform installation (which installs grub)...
[16:47] <soren> ogra_cmpc: done.
[16:48] <ogra_cmpc> soren, oh
[16:48] <soren> ogra_cmpc: I also do it from ubunut-vm-builder though.
[16:48] <ogra_cmpc> i thought you create image files
[16:48] <soren> ogra_cmpc: In that particular case, I reimplemented grub's bootloader isntallation stuff in posix shell (!).
[16:48] <ogra_cmpc> not iso filesystems
[16:48] <soren> Well, that's what ubuntu-vm-builder does.
[16:48] <soren> However, most people just boot one of the usual ubuntu iso's in a vm and does that installation as they're used to.
[16:49] <ogra_cmpc> well, what i want is to create an image from scratch with dd, partiton it, loop mount it and then install grub in there
[16:50] <soren> ogra_cmpc: Look at ubuntu-vm-builder then.
[16:50] <ogra_cmpc> but thats not the grub cd or floppy image or something ?
[16:50] <soren> ogra_cmpc: I didn't manage to pursuage grub to install itself onto a loopback device or directly to a file, so I replicated its install code in shell.
[16:51] <ogra_cmpc> (i dont want to have to use syslinux for the usb image installer for the classmate)
[16:51]  * soren types very pooly today, apparantly.
[16:51] <soren> poorly, even.
[16:51] <james_w> Adri2000: bug 195103 is about this, is it a known issue, could you perhaps explain there?
[16:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195103 in update-manager "Bug d'update-manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195103
[16:51] <ogra_cmpc> get a classmate, that teaches you :)
[16:51] <soren> ogra_cmpc: heh :)
[16:51] <ogra_cmpc> soren, so i assume you just dd stage1 ?
[16:52] <soren> ogra_cmpc: What I do in the ubuntu-vm-builder in shell is *exactly* the same as grub-install does in the regular installer.
[16:52] <soren> ogra_cmpc: No.
[16:52] <ogra_cmpc> ok, i'll look at the code before making more assumptions
[16:52] <ogra_cmpc> thanks a lot
[16:52] <soren> ogra_cmpc: I dd stage1, yank out some of the existing mbr, change a few bytes here and there, shove in the stage 1.5, blahlblah... It's *horrible*.
[16:52] <ogra_cmpc> well, if it works
[16:52] <soren> ogra_cmpc: I wouldn't recommend looking at it to anyone I like.
[16:53] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[16:53] <soren> ...which happens to include you, so if there's a way around it.. don't look.
[16:53] <ogra_cmpc> well, i have looked at a lot weird stuff this weekend for that particular prob :)
[16:53] <soren> What's the problem exactly?
[16:53] <Adri2000> james_w: yep, will do
[16:54] <james_w> Adri2000: thanks.
[16:54] <ogra_cmpc> i have a classmate image that boots fine etc ... to get that on the classmate i have a small installer script ... i want to wrap all that into an image that you just can dd to a usb key so that it boots out of the box ...
[16:55] <ogra_cmpc> wiothout using syslinux or being forced to use any othetr kind of crack that forces me to vfat
[16:55] <ogra_cmpc> its like an onion ... one image wrapped into another
[16:55] <soren> mmkay.
[16:56] <ogra_cmpc> and the outer one needs to be built from scratch while the inner one has actually a real bios device (internal classmate flashdik) to attach to
[16:56] <soren> Aha.
[16:57] <ogra_cmpc> i want to use the same initramfs for both and avoid as much duplication as i can here
[16:57] <soren> Right.
[16:57] <ogra_cmpc> so while syslinux could save me its not what i want (i can fallback to it if i dont get the other way to work)
[16:58] <soren> Right.
[17:00] <ogra_cmpc> grumble ....
[17:00] <ogra_cmpc> never run apt-proxy on a livecd if you actually want some response speed ...
[17:03] <ogra_cmpc> soren, hmm
[17:03] <ogra_cmpc> whats ubuntu-vm-builder-foo ?
[17:05] <ogra_cmpc> oh, i didnt know grub accepts UUID
[17:05] <ogra_cmpc> (in device.map i mean)
[17:06] <ogra_cmpc> soren, wow, you must really love dd :)
[17:14] <Chipzz> ATTENTION DEBIAN DEVELOPERS
[17:14] <Chipzz> someone forgot his camera in the debian developer room at fosdem
[17:15] <Chipzz> Kodak EasyShare ZD710
[17:15] <Chipzz> it's at the infodesk right now
[17:17] <emgent> Chipzz, lol
[17:18] <jpatrick> Chipzz: best try irc.debian.org/debian-devel
[17:18] <evand> jdong: Indeed I did, thanks
[17:19] <jdong> cool
[17:46] <alex-weej> is there some place to discuss the performance of the archives?
[17:46] <alex-weej> i'm getting a maximum of about 70 KB/s from the main mirror and the UK mirror weeks
[17:46] <alex-weej> *for weeks
[17:46] <alex-weej> yet i have just tried the SE mirror and it's uber fast
[17:47] <ccm> tried the "find best mirror" method?
[17:47] <alex-weej> how do i do that?
[17:47] <alex-weej> oh i see it!
[17:48] <ccm> go to Sources where you can choose the mirror
[17:48] <ccm> there you can tick it
[17:48] <ccm> yes
[17:48] <alex-weej> i see there are also options for virginmedia
[17:48] <alex-weej> which is my ISP
[17:48] <ccm> just run the test
[17:48] <ccm> quite nice feature i think
[17:49] <alex-weej> it hung on some mirror that i think is probably underwater in the south pacific somewhere
[17:49] <alex-weej> nm i will just use Virgin Media
[17:49] <alex-weej> it's fast!
[17:49] <alex-weej> thanks
[17:49] <ccm> you are welcome
[18:10] <CoCaiNe> HI i have 3 year old LAPTOP - and i was wondering if i could install ubuntu on it over windows
[18:10] <CoCaiNe> ???
[18:10] <CoCaiNe> is it possible
[18:10] <james_w> CoCaiNe: please use #ubuntu for support questions.
[19:49] <slangasek> geser: fixes sponsored
[19:50] <geser> thanks
[19:55] <emgent> hello people
[20:17] <Itaku> i get this error when compiling in gcc http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57250/ how do i fix
[20:23] <jdong> Itaku: that's offtopic for this channel, so you're unlikely to get a meaningful response around here
[21:33] <Kibbles> Seveas: thanks for the ban on #ubuntu... could you please reverse decision?
[21:34] <Seveas> Kibbles, thats very offtopic in here, ask in -ops
[21:34] <Kibbles> Seveas: sorry, i know - how do i get to ops?
[21:35] <Seveas> same as how you get to other channels
[21:35] <Kibbles> i.e. /join ops?
[21:35] <Seveas> #ubuntu-ops
[21:35] <Kibbles> done sorry