npurcifulwhats going on tonigh00:53
egghead3i just changed my mythbuntu to weekly builds, and now alot of the modules dont work, do i have to rebuild all of them or is there a way to change the apt sources to redownload them?00:57
huhligare there known problems with nforce motherboard and mythbuntu01:16
huhligit seems to not reognise my ethernet card01:17
huhligalso there seem to be no modules at all01:18
huhligok, why is the current mythbuntu shipped with modules for 2.6.22 and the kernel is 2.6.18?01:20
tgm4883_laptophuhlig, the kernel isn't 2.6.1801:21
tgm4883_laptopgutsy uses 2.6.2201:21
huhligI just grabbed the cd and installed it01:22
huhligit has a kernel of 2.6.18-chw-1301:22
huhliguname -a01:22
huhligthe modules dir is 2.6.22-14-generic01:22
huhligso simple question, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot01:22
tgm4883_laptopthats pretty interesting01:23
npurcifulthis alsa problem is driving me insane01:23
tgm4883_laptopsince the generic kernel is the one that is shipped01:23
tgm4883_laptopwhere did you grab the iso from?01:23
tgm4883_laptopI'll install it in a VM just to be sure01:24
tgm4883_laptopBut i'm 99.99999% positive that .22 is shipped01:24
tgm4883_laptopi'm not even exactly sure how the 2.6.18 kernel would be grabbed01:24
huhligtgm4883_laptop, well that would make sense01:24
huhligbut I have no working modules01:25
huhligand that means no network or video, etc01:25
huhligis there a known working cd?01:25
tgm4883_laptopdid you md5sum the cd?01:25
huhligI can01:25
huhligone second01:25
confusedguyi think mythbuntu might be rejecting incoming connections... and it might be the cause of all my problems01:25
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, it probably is01:26
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, although, you haven't told us what the problem is01:26
confusedguyi had a friend suggest that i try to use telnet <server ip here>01:26
confusedguythe problem is that nothing is connecting to the server01:26
confusedguyand like i said last night... ive done tons of research01:27
tgm4883_laptophave you tried ssh <server ip here>01:27
confusedguyno not yet. just a sec01:28
confusedguyok i just tried that it says network is unreachable01:29
tgm4883_laptopwhat computer are you trying that from?01:29
confusedguythe FE01:29
tgm4883_laptopand what machine are you trying to get to?01:30
huhligtgm4883_laptop, testing sum now01:30
huhligtgm4883_ sum passed01:30
confusedguyimn trying to get to the BE from the FE01:30
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, can you pastebin the output of ifconfig01:31
confusedguynow i just tried to ssh into BE from the BE and it worked fine01:31
tgm4883_laptopit sounds like your FE doesn't have a network connection01:31
tgm4883_laptophuhlig, let me install a VM, it's going to take me a few minutes though.  I need to put my desktop back together01:31
egghead3has anyone here using the weekly builds?01:32
huhligtgm4883_laptop, ok01:32
huhligtgm4883_laptop, just letting you know01:32
confusedguyok, oddly enough the FE did lose the connection01:33
confusedguybut it had it before01:33
confusedguylast night when i was having these issues, i was in this channel from the FE01:34
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, can you reconnect the frontend and try the ssh <backend ip here>01:34
confusedguyim just restarting the FE. it needed it anyway.01:35
confusedguyalright. i got the FE reconnected, and it recognizes the BE with ssh <BE ip>, but it says authentication denuied01:41
confusedguyive got the right password01:41
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, what is the username of the user on the backend?01:42
tgm4883_laptopand what is the username of the user on the FE01:42
confusedguywell right now im in the livecd01:42
tgm4883_laptophuhlig, still installing vmware-server I got slow internet here :(01:42
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, do this01:42
tgm4883_laptopssh <backend ip> -l <backend username>01:43
huhligtgm4883_laptop, ok01:43
confusedguyok tgm, im in01:44
tgm4883_laptopso it works now?01:45
confusedguyssh works.. idk bout anything else.01:45
tgm4883_laptopWell what other problems are there?01:46
confusedguyok... i tried connecting and the sql test turned up failure01:47
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, on the backend end, open up MCC01:48
tgm4883_laptopand see if the mysql service is enabled01:48
confusedguyit is trust me ive checked that 50 times01:49
tgm4883_laptopand you have rebooted the backend?01:50
tgm4883_laptophuhlig, installling now01:54
confusedguyill reboot the backend01:55
huhligtgm4883_laptop, so, what is the installer using?02:00
tgm4883_laptopinstaller is using 2.6.22-1402:06
huhligok, so how on earth did I get 2.6.1802:07
* tgm4883_laptop shrugs02:08
tgm4883_laptopit is really strange02:08
huhligdid you install and reboot?02:08
tgm4883_laptopthis was a clean install?02:08
tgm4883_laptopstill installing02:08
huhligtgm4883_laptop, yea02:08
huhligcompletely fresh02:08
huhligblank drives02:08
huhligif so then just tell me where to get the copy you got and I will install it02:10
tgm4883_laptopi got mine same place, from the mythbuntu.org website02:11
tgm4883_laptopperhaps try reinstalling from the same disk and see if you get the same result02:12
huhligI did02:13
huhlig3 times02:13
huhligsame procedure02:13
* huhlig plugs in an external monitor02:13
huhliginstalls it02:14
tgm4883_laptopdid you try redownloading?02:14
* huhlig downloads a new copy02:15
tgm4883_laptopwhere are you from?02:15
* huhlig downloads a new copy02:17
tgm4883_laptopfoxbuntu___, !!!02:17
tgm4883_laptophuhlig, and it gave you the same problem on each install?02:18
huhligwron kernel version02:18
huhligtgm4883_laptop, and,02:36
tgm4883_laptophuhlig, same02:45
huhligso it has 2.6.22?02:46
npurcifulsweet i think i figured out how to fix my sound issue, i thinking the delay is from my reciever changeing modes02:50
npurcifulno i just goning to set a .asoundrc to something static02:50
tgm4883_laptophuhlig, yep02:52
confusedguyok so back to square 1 guys.. i reinstalled the backend and got the livecd loaded up on the FE since the FE wont install02:59
tgm4883_laptopyou do realize i said restart the BE, not reinstall the BE03:00
confusedguyi did but nothing worked and irememberd i messed with some stuff, so i thought it best to just make sure i got to a point where i could safely say i hadntt done anything wrong yet.03:02
confusedguyi'm very frustrated at this point, and i wish i could just get something to work right.03:04
tgm4883_laptopso you have enabled the mysql service on the backend?03:04
confusedguyyes, i did that in the install and verified once i rebooted the BE03:05
huhligtgm4883_laptop, one thing03:05
tgm4883_laptophave you run mythtv-setup yet?03:05
huhligwould the safe graphics mode have cause the kernel problem03:05
confusedguyyesi ran mythtv setup at the last step of install process03:06
tgm4883_laptophuhlig, no03:06
huhligburning a new copy now03:06
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, what happens when you run the test from the frontend03:06
confusedguywhat test is that?03:07
tgm4883_laptopthe test in MCC that checks conectivity to the backend03:07
npurcifulsweet, fixed all audio issues03:08
confusedguyI cant find a test in MCC03:08
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, fire up MCC03:10
confusedguyits up03:10
tgm4883_laptopone of the tabs lets you enter mythtv-setup, it also allows you to input your backend information03:11
tgm4883_laptopthis is on the FE that you are doing this03:11
tgm4883_laptopshould be like the 2nd or 3rd tab03:11
tgm4883_laptopdid you find where you can enter your backend info?03:11
confusedguyi see it but its greyed out03:12
huhligbooting a new copy now03:12
huhlighey tgm4883_laptop is there anyway to setup mdadm inside the installer03:13
confusedguyi think its because the roles on the livecd are set default to have a master backend so im removing it to no backend03:13
confusedguyok i was right... and the test says failure03:14
confusedguyso when i did the install i set a mysql root password just like it said03:15
confusedguyso im using that password, the mythconverg database name, the ip address of the server, and ive tried root, mythtv, and mythserver-01 as the usernames03:16
confusedguyis all that correct?03:18
tgm4883_laptophuhlig, afaik, no.  You might be able to set it up in the live env before you install though03:18
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, on the backend, do03:18
tgm4883_laptopnano /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt03:18
tgm4883_laptopuse the username and the password that are there03:18
tgm4883_laptopalso, where did it tell you to setup a mysql root password?03:19
confusedguyin the advanced setup, i slected mstr backend only, and it said if i wanted to have others connect to the system it needed a mysql root passowrd03:19
confusedguyso why does it ask me for one when it still generates the random crap password? dangit03:20
tgm4883_laptopbecause one is the root password for mysql, and one is the password for the mythconverg db03:20
tgm4883_laptoptry the user and password from that file and see if it connects now03:21
confusedguyk sec... im on a kvm switch03:21
confusedguyOMG i did that before and t dint work but now it does you are a god03:22
confusedguyit says successful03:22
confusedguynow ill test to see if the FE works ok03:22
tgm4883_laptopwell i wouldn't say god, but since you said it I guess it's ok ;)03:23
confusedguylol hey its actually loading.. never thought id be so happy to see the slow prescaling theme images bars03:26
confusedguywow man it really works03:27
confusedguynow if i could only get the istaller to put it on the machine03:28
npurcifulerr, sound broke again damn alsa03:28
confusedguytheres no way i can convince the fam that its good to use this if they have to wait 2+ min for the load03:28
confusedguywhat say you next, o wise one?03:29
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, why doesn't it install?03:33
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, it will load faster from the HD for a couple reasons03:33
tgm4883_laptop1st, the HD is way faster than the CD03:34
confusedguyi know that i know03:34
tgm4883_laptop2nd, it will have everything already cached03:34
tgm4883_laptopbut why wont it install03:34
confusedguyit gets to around 85% and then it crashes03:34
confusedguysays the installer encountered an error and i should submit a bug report or somethin03:35
tgm4883_laptop85% or 83%03:38
confusedguyi dont remember for sure03:38
confusedguyshould i run it through again?03:38
confusedguyi think it was prolly 8303:39
tgm4883_laptopcould it be03:39
tgm4883_laptop!bug 17898703:39
tgm4883_laptopcould it be this ?03:39
confusedguylooking now..03:40
confusedguynot really... it doesnt hang, it literally stops03:41
tgm4883_laptopactually, can you try it again.  It might have been because of the wrong password being inserted during install03:41
tgm4883_laptopI remember superm1 saying something about that being an issue03:42
tgm4883_laptopso be sure to use the password from the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt file03:42
confusedguyo u think it coulda been... thats possible i guess. afterall, it was in the portion that said configuring mythtv03:42
tgm4883_laptopyea, i really do think that was the problem03:44
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confusedguyalright. im installing agian. the connection test in the setup script showed sucessful, and the backend is running, so prayin that this works.03:47
confusedguyluckily, a full install only takes like 5 minutes, so it wont be long03:47
tgm4883_laptopwell i'm off to grab some dinner, back in about 2003:47
confusedguyok its at 50% now03:48
confusedguyYAH ! its at 92 %!!!03:50
confusedguyo its rebooting03:54
confusedguyyou are awesome04:01
tgm4883_laptopI aim to please ;)04:02
confusedguyi dont know why that didnt work before when i tried it, but if it werent for you, i might not have ever tried it agiann04:02
tgm4883_laptopit's not so much awesomeness, it's just that i have reinstalled so many times that i know what i'm doing and know what things to look for04:02
confusedguyim starting to get that experience too :)04:03
confusedguyive installed some myth based distro or another at least 20 times now trying to get a solution04:03
confusedguyhey ive got a few more little things now you might be able to help with...04:04
confusedguy1) when i "watch tv" the picture seems a little bit ...04:05
confusedguyoh yeah nvm... the screen isnt  set at right res.04:05
confusedguyalright fixed that one.04:05
confusedguynext... i've got no audio on my tv04:06
confusedguywell right now its pc speakers, & monitor, but im not getting audio is th important part.04:07
huhligwith the new copy it wonr boot04:07
huhligit just freezes at lilo04:07
confusedguyu there tgm?04:10
tgm4883_laptopsorry, doing multiple things right now04:14
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, is there audio outside of mythtv?04:15
confusedguynp at all you're the one doing the helping.04:15
confusedguyu know im not sure04:15
confusedguyok i really will slap myself if this is the only problem...04:18
confusedguyi've had the speakers plugged into the BE the whole time, not the FE04:18
confusedguyhm a new problem.04:21
confusedguywhen i click watch tv it goes to black screen for 5 sec and then goes to menu04:21
confusedguywhen a bit ago it worked fine04:21
tgm4883_laptopconfusedguy, what tuner?04:31
confusedguyhauppage wintv 44001 rev b11004:33
confusedguythe thing is, it worked fine. but then i went to it later and tv froze up. I had to force kill the gui so that i could restart it04:34
confusedguyi think the problem is that theres prolly still other instances of the program running04:34
confusedguybut i also cant have the tv freezing up.04:35
tgm4883_laptopwhat are your frontend specs?04:38
confusedguyum amd sempron 2.2Ghz, 1gb ram04:39
confusedguygeforce 5200fx04:40
confusedguyso yeah i jsut restarted frontend04:41
confusedguyit still has the problem04:41
confusedguyi think the backend is at fault now04:41
tgm4883_laptopyou'd have to restart the backend04:41
tgm4883_laptopsudo /etc/init.d/mythtvbackend restart04:41
confusedguymythserver-01@mythserver-01:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart04:43
confusedguyRestarting MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.04:43
confusedguyinteresting tho, because it is running04:44
confusedguyi can access the system fine04:44
confusedguyfrom the FE04:44
confusedguyi know a hard restart of the server would fix it04:45
confusedguybut... i cant hard restart the comp every 20 minutes04:45
confusedguybrb ima reset the server04:46
confusedguywe'll see how it goes after that04:46
npurcifulhum there is 0k free on my drive and myth is wiggin out04:52
npurciful2008-02-23 22:49:02.102 TFW, Error: safe_write(): File I/O  errcnt: 104:53
npurciful                        eno: No space left on device (28)04:53
npurciful2008-02-23 22:49:02.111 TFW: safe_write(): funky usleep04:53
Shred01npurciful: what do you expect myth to do when there is no space?04:53
npurcifulugh, expire recording04:53
Shred01that's a different problem.  :-)04:54
Shred01if you go into information centre and look at the expiry list, is there anything in it?04:54
npurcifulmythbackend --printexpire04:55
npurcifulyes there is04:56
Shred01what did you set as the minimum free space before doing expiration?04:56
lessconfusedguyim back04:59
lessconfusedguyas i said, it did fix the problem. for now anyway.04:59
lessconfusedguyi did verify that there is audio, and even inside of myth, but... not when watching tv04:59
lessconfusedguyu here tgm4883_laptop?05:01
huhlig8.1 has squash errors05:01
huhlig7.1 still wont work05:02
huhligthis is anoying05:04
tgm4883_laptopim here05:05
huhligmabey you can explain this one05:06
huhligSQUASHFS error: sb_bread failed reading block 0x227a05:06
huhligverified both the iso vs the md5hash and the burn05:06
huhligand on the new version of 7.1 I get it installed and it gets to lilo and stops05:07
tgm4883_laptophugolp, lilo or grub?05:07
tgm4883_laptoplessconfusedguy, run alsamixer from the command line and unmute everything05:07
huhligtgm4883_laptop, hugolp or me?05:08
tgm4883_laptopyou on the lilo question05:09
npurcifulShred01: hey i just delete the recording that was recording on disk1 (gave me 438MB) and set extradisk space to 10GB and it autoexpired and i have 12gb free on disk2 but 438mb on disk105:10
huhligis it possible to install with grub05:10
npurcifuli had 2 recordings going on on each drive05:11
tgm4883_laptopi'm not sure why lilo is showing up05:12
tgm4883_laptopas grub is default05:12
lessconfusedguyhow do i know whats muted05:12
lessconfusedguyand what i need to unmute05:12
huhligI will try again05:12
tgm4883_laptoplessconfusedguy, open it up, and we will mute it from there05:14
lessconfusedguyopen what? alsamixer? its open05:14
tgm4883_laptopunmute everything05:15
lessconfusedguyso what, max the volume on all the columns?05:15
lessconfusedguyis that what i should do?05:17
foxbuntu___lessconfusedguy, to unmute stuff in alsamixer you hit 'M"05:17
lessconfusedguyoh sorry whoops05:18
lessconfusedguyok i did that05:21
lessconfusedguystill no audio from tv, but other audio is ungodly loud05:22
foxbuntu___lessconfusedguy, the bottom of the collums sound be '00'05:22
lessconfusedguyyeah they are now05:23
lessconfusedguywell shoot i gotta go for the evening. thank ya gents for all the help.05:24
lessconfusedguyill be back tomorrow no doubt05:24
huhligtgm4883_laptop, I am trying with the 7.1 disc again05:28
huhligsquashfs errors05:33
huhligthis means a bad cd or drive right05:33
MythbuntuGuest79Quick Question, where can I find a list of supported remote controls for Mythbuntu 7.10?06:06
foxbuntu___MythbuntuGuest79, aything lirc currently supports, we support06:07
MythbuntuGuest79Thank You!06:13
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npurcifulman, this suck, trying to figure out how i fixed a issue with sound and my reciever07:42
directhexhm, the trunk build appears to be buggered10:13
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daviscCan anyone point me to a doc on how to config mythtv to take the audio from a TV card via the line in on the main sound card?13:55
adaptrif the TV card has no audio of its own, then just configure the line in as your primary recording source15:31
adaptrunless you mean you want to know how to *connect* this signal, in which case... um, good luck doing that in software15:32
daviscadaptr: I was wondering how to get mythbuntu to take it from the line-in. I can't the option15:40
davisccan't see *15:40
daviscThe really annoying thing is that the audio device for the TV card is showing up in /proc/asound/cards15:41
daviscWill try and jab at it a bit more and see if I get somewhere15:42
FlamekebabI'm wondering if there's any script for easily inputting meta data for stored TV shows. The IMDB script is excellent for movies but there doesn't seem to be any convenient way to enter TV show data15:43
adaptrMythTV Setup -> Input Connections, was that so hard to find davisc ?15:45
daviscNo mention of audio. But anyway, it doesn't matter. I'll figure it out myself15:47
adaptroh, well, okay - it doesn't mention anything on my box, but then I don't do TV :)15:48
FlamekebabI wonder how difficult it'd be to code an input form of sorts using Zenity15:48
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camdeni'm a bit overwhelemed... i installed mythbuntu and i have a pinnacle tuner connected to the usb port19:25
camdenbut i can't figure out how to test the tuner19:25
camdenand then continue to get mythbuntu set up19:25
camdeni keep going through the back-end setup19:25
camdenand it seems to detect the tuner19:25
camdenbut  i can't figure out how to actually see a signal coming in19:26
camdenif i try "watch tv" and try to watch "live tv" from the front end19:29
camdenit says i need to delete an in-progress recording19:29
camdenbut i don't have any in-progress recording19:29
camdeni never set up any recordings... i am just setting this up for the first time :(19:29
camdeni'm trying to just get set up19:31
camdenfor the first time19:31
camdenand i can't get to the point where i can watch live tv19:31
camdenjust to see if my tuner is working19:31
camden it says i need to delete an in-progress recording but i don't have any in-progress recording i never set up any recordings... i am just setting this up for the first time19:32
Taricamden, see if anything has your tuner device open19:56
* npurciful bangs head into keyboard20:28
npurcifulsuperm1:  you there?20:28
npurcifulhey i saw a post where your sound was screwed up via spdif20:34
npurcifulno pcm via spdif20:34
npurcifulyeah, i just had that problem, to fix it i had to boot to livecd and cp /var/lib/alsa/asound.state then it worked again20:36
npurcifulman if i could just get my reciever to stop switching modes i would be happy, on everysong change or commercial skip fastforward, etc my reciver changes modes and there is a 1.5sec of no sound20:39
npurcifulcant remember how i fixed last time20:39
npurcifuli have tryed about 30 .asoundrc 's20:40
ebilHi, how does mythbuntu handle auto-login? I was just wondering because the effect I want to get is to have mythtv be the 'desktop' for my user. so when I close mythtv, it closes X, then say, 10 seconds later, starts up mythtv again20:52
ebilbasically, this system will never be a regular desktop, so there's no reason to ever see the desktop environment20:52
adaptrauto-login is simply an option you click20:56
adaptrbut restarting the frontend is not automatic - why not make it impossible to leave ?20:56
adaptrmuch the saner solution20:56
ebilHmmm... Before (debian) I was using ummm... rungetty20:59
ebilso rungetty started the X server, and then my user had a .profile which started the WM and then exec'd mythtv20:59
ebilthat was actually a rather elegant solution (I could restart mythtv frontend if it was necessary)21:00
adaptrthat's...stupid, sice everything already is running, and you are already logged in21:00
adaptr"elegant" wouldn't be my choice of words for it :)21:00
adaptrall you need to ensure is that either mythfrontend restarts auto, or it never stops21:00
adaptrthere's a bit on the wiki about using a remote button to exit and restart the frontend, with a 3-line script21:01
adaptrthat way you NEVER need to see the desktop21:01
adaptryou can even disable the WM21:01
adaptrwhy would you want to start a WM to begin with, anyway ?21:01
ebilwell I need the WM for mythvideo21:01
ebiltechnically, all I WANT is mythvideo (really don't need mythtv just yet as I'm switching to hdtv soon and where I am, you have to use stupid converter boxes for HDTV (unless you want to go over the air, which I don't)21:03
ebilso, I like the interface of mythtv, but I don't really need it as a PVR, what I really wanted to build was a media 'extender' I guess is what you'd call it?21:03
ebilto play videos etc off my file server, on the TV21:04
ebilis there a better way to go about doing that?21:04
adaptrebil: you ...need a WM for...a full-screen application ?21:06
pwnguinthat's what we're doing with it21:06
adaptrthat's what it really, really sucks at.. it has absolutely no media collecting intelligence whatsoever21:06
ebiladaptr, Ummm. can't remember off the top of my head, but it didn't work well when I did it without. I think that mythtv dind't want to give up being 'on top' when it was the WM21:07
tgm4883_laptopebil, do you ever plan on using it as a PVR?21:07
ebiltgm4883_laptop, I might, but if there's a better method without using mythtv, I'm all for it (for the media extender stuff)21:07
pwnguinebil: we just mount remote directories onto the default dir21:08
tgm4883_laptopElisa would probably work for you21:08
ebilpwnguin, what do you mean? mount my video dir on the default mythtv directory?21:08
ebiltgm4883_laptop, Thanks, that might actually be exactly what I need21:10
ebilI mean, I tried mythtv, it was awesome, but in the next month ors o, I won't be able to use it anymore...21:10
ebil(not easily anyhow, due to the hdtv switchover I'm planning)21:11
ebiland when I do that, the cable company (or fios) will give me a DVR anyhow *shrugs*21:11
tgm4883_laptopebil, you would be able to stream via firewire21:13
adaptrebil: mythtv is not a WM, so it can't think it is, either, and there is nothing else on the desktop to be on top OF21:16
ebiladaptr, that's the point. you need a wm to control where the windows go. when I ran X with mythv *as* the wm, xine (or mplayer) ran under it (because there was no wm to manage it)21:20
ebiltgm4883_laptop, Last I checked the verizon fios set-top boxes didn't have firewire :(21:21
adaptrebil: ah, you didn't share that aprt ;-)21:21
ebiladaptr, sorry21:21
tgm4883_laptopebil, US law requires that HD boxes have a working firewire port21:21
tgm4883_laptopcable boxes that is21:21
tgm4883_laptopdirectv doesn't have that rule :(21:21
ebiltgm4883_laptop, Hmm... I'll have to call verizon again...21:21
adaptrwhat kind of a moron downloads 2 LMCE x64 cds for a settop box but then tries to install it on a x86 system ? (me)21:22
* tgm4883_laptop has directv :(21:22
ebilahh, I've got the choice of cox or fios21:22
ebilif cox keeps raising their prices, I may go with fios... oh, that firewire port only applies to HDTV though, right?21:22
tgm4883_laptopi have the choice of directv or nothing :(21:23
tgm4883_laptopit applies to the HD box21:23
ebilthat's what I meant :P cool21:23
tgm4883_laptopsec, let me look it up21:23
ebiladaptr, is there an easy way in (default wm for mythbuntu) to do inittab-style checking of programs (i.e. if mythtv closes, start it up again)?21:24
ebilif so, that's what I'll use21:24
ebilbasically, this machine will never have a kbd-mouse attached (or monitor for that matter, just a TV and mceusb2 remote)21:24
tgm4883_laptopebil, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#FCC_regulations21:24
ebiltgm4883_laptop, awesome, thanks... yeah, it's annoying. I had mythtv set up perfectly (2 machine setup, backend only and frontend only) then I decided to go with a unified setup, but mythtv (and linux in general, namely tv-out) had changed enough, that my previous install method failed, and I've been without mythtv for a while now21:25
pwnguinany tips on controlling mythbuntu with a gamepad?21:31
ebiloh well, mythbuntu failed to set up what had been stopping me before... no XV support for radeon 920021:44
superm1ebil, use mythwelcome instead21:45
superm1see /etc/default/myth*21:45
directhexsuperm1, did you note the trunk build is twatted?21:55
superm1what that mean?21:55
directhexbuggered. arse over apex. titsup.com21:55
superm1from last weekend?21:55
superm1on which21:56
superm1what's wrong with itt?21:56
directhexdepends on libfaad0 instead of libfaad2-0. which breaks anything with a depends: libfaad2-0 such as avidemux or gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse21:57
superm1ugh yuck.21:58
superm1that faad mess is horrible21:58
directhexprovides: ?21:58
superm1well there is a workaround for reverting patches and stuff on the faad things21:58
superm1so if it finds itself being built on gutsy, it builds differently21:58
directhexwell, it's started getting weird21:59
directhexdirecthex@mortos:~$ apt-cache policy libfaad021:59
directhex  Installed: (none)21:59
directhex  Candidate: 2.6.1-2ubuntu1~ppa121:59
superm1where is there a libfaad0 package even?21:59
superm1on a ppa?21:59
directhex        500 http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org gutsy/main Packages21:59
superm1oh yuck21:59
superm1how is that possible?22:00
superm1there is no faad listed22:00
directhexmy spidey sense says it's a break since renaming from 0.20.99 to 0.21. but i'm usually wrong on these things22:00
superm1Daviey, what's up with your mirror?22:00
superm1directhex, please try with the US mirror if you can22:00
directhexja wol22:00
superm1ja wol?22:01
directhexThe following packages have unmet dependencies:22:01
directhex  mythmusic: Depends: libfaad2-0 (>= 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp) but it is not installable22:01
ebilsuperm1, use mythwelcome for what? (sorry, was afk for a bit)22:01
superm1you amd64? directhex22:01
directhexsuperm1, yep22:01
superm1ebil, for your automatically restarting mythfrontend22:01
superm1directhex, oooh22:02
ebilahhh, ok. I just need to figure out the ummm... XV stuff now (xvid etc plays like crap without it)22:02
superm1directhex, https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk/+archive/+build/51961222:02
superm1directhex, it makes no sense to me why it would happen only on amd6422:02
directhexaacdecoder.cpp: In member function 'bool aacDecoder::initializeMP4()':22:02
directhexaacdecoder.cpp:309: error: cannot convert 'long unsigned int*' to 'uint32_t*' for argument '4' to 'int8_t NeAACDecInit2(void*, unsigned char*, uint32_t, uint32_t*, uint8_t*)'22:02
superm1(in gutsy at least)22:03
directhex64-bit clean error, methinks22:03
superm1the hardy build works perfectly though22:03
directhexsuperm1, so do we have any leads? do you have access to an amd64 machine to try it interactively?22:06
superm1directhex, unfortunately not :(22:06
superm1that's what makes it hell to debug22:06
superm1maybe just turn off aac on gutsy builds22:06
superm1that would do the trick22:07
directhexaw hell no, not after i started re-ripping my dvds as h264/aac!22:07
directhexhang on...22:07
superm1mythmusic at least would have it off22:07
superm1won't affect anything else22:07
directhexso is 10_mythmusic_faad supposed to be applied if it IS gutsy, or if it isn't?22:10
superm1no it's not22:10
superm1because the faad in gutsy is different than hardy22:11
superm1there was a big transition22:11
superm1broke a lot of apps22:11
directhexyay for abi transitions22:11
directhexokay, that build removed the patch as desied then - "reverting patch 10_mythmusic_faad from ./ ... ok."22:11
superm1and that fixes the i386 build22:11
superm1but amd64 i dunno.22:11
directhexlet me take a look22:12
directhexwhy don't i even *have* that patch file? O_o22:14
directhexhang on, why does mythmusic care? isn't it in mythplugins not mythtv?22:19
directhexduh. yes. i'm going mad22:19
superm1directhex, (it was introduced in hardy)22:20
directhexi was looking in mythtv not mythplugins because i'm a big fat idiot22:20
directhexdon't hack drunk.22:21
ebilhas anyone gotten full XV acceleration working wit something as old as a radeon 9200? (I also need tv-out, which is the big issue)22:21
directhexebil, how many screens do you hve attached?22:22
ebildirecthex, it would just be the TV attached22:22
directhexebil, would be? or is?22:22
ebilis and will be22:23
directhexdear aptitude, stop trying to fix things and just do as i sodding say. love directhex22:24
pwnguinoh, is XV not often supported?22:27
directhexpwnguin, sure, but ati tends to suck22:27
ebilyeah, basically.22:27
pwnguinwe have a geforce 5700 fx that wont show video with the default settings22:27
ebilthey tend to drop support for older cards sans notice22:27
directhexpwnguin, green screen?22:28
pwnguinno screen22:28
pwnguinjust the menu22:28
directhexcan't imagine how that would be an xv issue22:28
pwnguinit works with sdl22:28
pwnguinbut not xv22:28
directhexwhere are you setting that, pray tell?22:29
pwnguinthere's a command line option22:29
pwnguinthe default is mplayer -blah -blah -vo xv %s22:29
directhexso you're talking about mplayer, not mythtv22:29
pwnguinmythtv uses mplayer..22:30
directhexold versions of the mythvideo plugin use mplayer, yes22:30
pwnguinim not updating to 8.04 before... 04/200822:31
directhexdoes livetv work?22:32
pwnguindont have video in22:32
directhexdo you actually know the error reported by mplayer (and you have mplayer issues, not mythtv issues)?22:33
pwnguinnot off hand22:33
pwnguini can get it however ;22:33
directhexsuperm1, found the problem22:37
superm1what is it?22:37
directhexi think, anyway22:37
directhexthe ppa build is definitely building against libfaad0, not libfaad2-0, on amd6422:40
superm1where did that faad come from i wonder22:40
directhexcheck the ppa for a rogue libfaad-dev_2.6.1-2ubuntu1~ppa1_amd64.deb22:40
superm1if that's the case, then it (should) be transient22:40
directhexsee, compare http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12060020/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.mythplugins_0.21.0%7Efixes16131-0ubuntu0%7Emythbuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12060000/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.mythplugins_0.21.0%7Efixes16131-0ubuntu0%7Emythbuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz22:41
directhexlibfaad-dev: missing22:41
directhexlibfaad-dev: does not exist22:41
directhexlibfaad2-dev: missing22:41
directhex^^ i38622:41
superm1woah wtf http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu/pool/main/f/faad2/22:41
superm1you're right22:41
directhexlibfaad-dev: missing22:41
directhexlibfaad2-dev: missing22:41
directhex^^ amd6422:41
superm1let me check in #launchpad then and on the mailing list22:42
superm1i'll delay the build from this weekend until its gone22:42
directhexwinnar \o/22:43
superm1nice catch dude :)22:43
pwnguinfrom mplayer: it seems theres no xv support for your card available22:44
pwnguinrun xvinfo blah blah blah22:44
directhexno wonder libmyth-0.21-0 Depends: libfaad0 (>= 2.6.1)22:45
superm1so basically it's trying to force the faad transition on you early :)22:45
directhexwaaaaaa :'(22:46
directhexi *like* avidemux!22:46
superm1well as soon as the launchpad folks take care of it, you can have your avidemux back :)22:46
pwnguini have to say, i really hate the displayconfig gtk tool22:47
superm1with open source drivers it rocks22:47
superm1on proprietary ones though22:47
superm1yuck it doesn't for anything22:47
directhexpwnguin, nice idea, doesn't work properly22:47
directhexsuperm1, out of interest, do you know whether LTS this time around has a more sensible policy on driver updates than dapper did?22:48
pwnguinit seems like it always screws up xorg22:48
superm1directhex, you mean for proprietary drivers?22:48
pwnguinyea, i wish it would work22:48
pwnguinit doesn't =(22:49
directhexsuperm1, not specifically (though given the brokenness of xv on nvidia 100.x, some solution there would be nice). i mean dapper was released in 2006/06, and uninstallable on new dell servers in 2006/1122:49
superm1directhex, well that comes down to whether or not the vendor is submitting updates and claiming it to be functional on the servers22:50
superm1its big chicken and egg problem22:50
superm1for who is to take the responsibility of doing that22:50
directhexpwnguin, i just wish it didn't take such a retro approach - i.e. i like to use evdev for my mouse and let my driver/edid sort out resolutions22:50
superm1and backporting the changes22:50
superm1if dell wants to market their new servers to run ubuntu nicely, then they need to backport the changes22:50
superm1but if canonical wants to market ubuntu as working great on dell servers, they need to22:50
directhexsuperm1, at some stage, someone needs to do the backports for ubuntu to be a serious server platform. i had to do an 11th hour change from deploying dapper to edgy, due to driver constraints22:51
directhexsuperm1, hell, consider how mad the backporting is on "enterprise" distros like rhel or sles22:51
superm1directhex, yeah right now canonical hasn't allocated resources for that22:51
superm1directhex, their kernel guys are already stretched thin22:51
directhexsuperm1, hell, rhel3 runs "2.4.21" on platforms like amd64. they backported the whole of nptl22:52
superm1that's crazy:P22:52
pwnguinthey backport like crazy22:52
pwnguintheres probably like 50 or more kernel devs22:52
pwnguinfor rhel22:52
pwnguinfedora has like dave jones and his slave22:52
directhexsuperm1, i know! but in the end, the realistic case is: new hardware happens. a dell sevrer bought 4 months after dapper's release lacked ethernet or disk controller support. and the thing is, the kernel changes WERE backported, and not released for a year22:53
superm1directhex, well the other difference is that to dell, ubuntu isn't a tier 1 offering on servers22:54
superm1whereas rhel and sles are22:54
superm1what's this?22:54
pwnguindave jones talks about his work and the fedora / rhel kernel efforts22:54
pwnguinincludes partial nudity22:55
directhexsuperm1, check https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+publishinghistory - 2.6.15-50 included required backports, and went into dapper-proposed on 2007-01-23. 2.6.15-51.64 fixed the problem "for real" and arrived on 2008-01-1022:57
superm1directhex, wow.  that is a problem22:57
pwnguindirecthex: you could always buy one of those support contracts from canonical ;)22:57
directhexsuperm1, rendering dapper unusable on any dell servers (and probably other vendors too) for 13 months22:57
superm1directhex, have you brought this up with Ubuntu Devel at all?22:57
superm1or anything similar?22:57
pwnguinhonestly i think lts is something that should be between canonical and its customers23:00
superm1pwnguin, amusing opening at least with that guy23:00
pwnguinheh yea23:01
pwnguindave jones is probably the most prolific kernel hacker in contributions23:01
pwnguindepending on the year23:01
directhexRHEL issues new install media for stable releases (with kernel backports) every 6 months or so - see http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/notes/23:01
pwnguinrhel also charges how much?23:01
directhexpwnguin, how often do you think centos issues updates?23:02
pwnguindirecthex: how often do you think centos pays developers?23:02
pwnguinit's easy when your only task is duplicating rhel23:02
directhexwhen corp software support proves to me it's worth the money, i'll voluntarily pay. experience so far says it isn't23:03
pwnguinas the talk i posted makes fairly clear, rhel invests a lot of manhours into that backporting23:03
pwnguinclearly canonical / ubuntu's rhetoric is out of line with the dell network drivers you cited23:04
directhexno, what i don't get is why ubuntu's kernel team fixed the problem in jan 2007, then sat on it until jan 200823:05
directhexthe 2.6.15-50 image *worked*, but was incomplete in other areas (missing ubuntuish metapackages etc)23:05
staind9383hello there23:05
pwnguinperhaps it was part of their strategy to get dell to support ubuntu in laptops?23:06
pwnguinat the very least, there may have been a question about who was getting paid and how much for the effort23:06
directhexsome of us do it for love! like tracking down dodgy libfaad dependencies!23:07
pwnguinbut we use devel for that ;)23:07
directhexout of curiosity superm1, is there any common ground between the ubuntu and marillat packages anymore?23:07
pwnguindirecthex: the changelog?23:07
staind9383does anyone know why firewire would just stop working in mythtv?23:07
pwnguinprobably about half of it is still in common ;)23:07
staind9383would it be possible that the cable co turned it off, or more likely that i screwed something up accidentally23:08
superm1directhex, we've diverged a LOT23:08
superm1directhex, marillat didn't like a fair deal of our changes23:08
superm1so that's what happens23:08
directhexpwnguin, the last changelog entry from marillat was 0.20-0.023:09
directhexsuperm1, anything specific?23:09
superm1well the extra meta packages for one23:09
superm1dependencies upon mysql-server23:09
superm1things to ease the experience (my group checking)23:09
superm1we add extra patches during gutsy time that he wouldnt add23:09
directhexuser experience improvements (i.e. ubuntuification) then :p23:10
pwnguinanyone willing to help fix up an xorg.conf that's clearly gone wrong?23:10
superm1but honestly, people in debian would benefit too23:10
superm1its too bad he didnt like some of them23:10
directhexpwnguin, graphics card?23:10
pwnguin01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36.2 [GeForce FX 5700] (rev a1)23:11
directhexdon't copy it verbatim, it probably won't work: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57273/23:11
staind9383is it even possible to see if the firewire port on my cable box is disabled or something like that?23:12
pwnguinstaind9383: check dmesg?23:12
staind9383didnt get anything23:12
alexvd_hi anyone running mythphone for callerid pop?23:12
staind9383brb, gonna switch clients23:12
npurcifulerr dang, pcm audio reciever is killing me!23:14
alexvd_It works for a while and then I will get a crash eventually.  I did some searching and it look like thier was a ticket open in Trac.  They were requesting a backtrace for mythbuntu.  Anyone seen this besides myself.  I have the ticket number23:14
staind9383and back23:22
staind9383pwnguin: no i did not check dmesg.  the mythbackend logs show firewire priming failing though23:24
staind9383i'm looking now23:24
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pwnguini guess i could check var/log for errors on xorg23:31
tgm4883_laptopstaind9383|afk, check your box to see if the cable company turned encryption on23:35
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staind9383how might i do that?23:52
staind9383and would encryption stop the firewire from workign on all channels?23:53
staind9383i have a SA4250HD23:53
staind9383cablevision is the cable co23:53
staind9383firewire was working fine, but it stopped working after i was trying to get nuv export to work23:54
staind9383so i dont know if i screwed something up in the process, or if the box itself is the issue23:55
staind9383i read on the myth wiki that firewire will not work in mythtv after kernel 2.6.22, mine is 2.6.22-14.  Would that be an affected version?23:58
superm1if it was working before and just stopped working after running nuvexport, then its not a kernel issue23:58

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