[03:54] <nijaba> c1|freaky:
[03:54] <nijaba> did you get your answer?
[03:57] <nijaba> c1|freaky: cd
[03:57] <nijaba> err
[03:58] <nijaba> c1|freaky: anyway, just use the command rmlist
[04:17] <faulkes-> evening nijaba
[04:18] <nijaba> hey faulkes-, how are you doing?
[04:19] <faulkes-> busy busy
[04:19] <faulkes-> working on forum stats stuff
[04:20] <faulkes-> course, then I need to work on learning more about bzr
[04:20] <faulkes-> oh, I read the privacy statement issue you raised
[04:20] <nijaba> faulkes-: regarding your wondering on how to push your changes, the key is to know that with bazaar, you push them registering a new branch
[04:20] <faulkes-> I'm looking into that, I believe I have a template
[04:20] <nijaba> faulkes-: cool
[04:20] <faulkes-> nijaba: nods, that's where I thought I went wrong
[04:21] <faulkes-> but I've been doing house cleaning all day, making sure LP is setup all proper like
[04:21] <faulkes-> signing code of conduct, all that jazz
[04:21] <nijaba> faulkes-: to register a new branch, goto the project page and click on "register new branch"
[04:21] <faulkes-> yeah, I saw that
[04:21] <faulkes-> I didn't do it because of my unfamiliarity with it and I didn't want to cause you more headaches than you might already have had
[04:21] <nijaba> yes, right, these are pre-requisite
[04:22] <nijaba> faulkes-: I am quite new to it to, so am too happy to be able to help ;)
[04:22] <faulkes-> nijaba: although I noticed you're based in paris
[04:22] <faulkes-> I miss paris
[04:22] <nijaba> faulkes-: quite right
[04:23] <nijaba> you lived in Paris?
[04:23]  * faulkes- nods
[04:23] <faulkes-> for a couple months doing a job
[04:23] <nijaba> when?
[04:23] <faulkes-> hmmm, 1999/2000 area
[04:23] <faulkes-> also surprised a now ex-gf one weekend by flying her there for breakfast
[04:23] <nijaba> school?
[04:24] <nijaba> wow
[04:24] <faulkes-> eh? no IT work, network integration
[04:24] <nijaba> what do you do for a living?  consulting?
[04:25] <nijaba> faulkes-: regarding the privacy statement, I think we can promise that
[04:25] <faulkes-> for the last two years or so I've been senior architect / director of operations at a web 2.0 startup
[04:26] <nijaba> - won't use collected nominal data for other purpose than refining the survey
[04:26] <faulkes-> social networking type stuff
[04:26] <nijaba> - won't resell
[04:26] <faulkes-> prior to that, I was a consultant
[04:26] <nijaba> - give right to modify / remove nominal info
[04:27]  * faulkes- nods
[04:27] <nijaba> web 2.0 startup...  cool. succesfull at it?
[04:27] <faulkes-> they ran out of funding
[04:27] <faulkes-> it happens
[04:28] <faulkes-> I still do work for them but I've moved back into consulting to keep the cash coming in
[04:28] <nijaba> right... that's understandable
[04:28] <nijaba> doing mostly linux gig?
[04:29] <nijaba> btw, have you considered visiting prague for UDS?
[04:30] <faulkes-> nijaba: yeah, mostly linux stuff although some cisco thrown in for good measure
[04:30] <nijaba> long time I have not touche a cisco
[04:31] <faulkes-> as for UDS, it's unlikely I would be able to attend, I have some travel commitments
[04:31] <faulkes-> although I want to go to prague ;)
[04:32] <nijaba> too bad
[05:23] <z5000man> faulkes, do you sleep?
[05:24] <z5000man> You were here when I asked questions 14 hrs ago.
[05:24] <faulkes-> yes, I sleep, just at odd hours and usually not for long periods of time
[05:25] <faulkes-> I also had server maintenance to do tonight
[05:55] <z5000man> Oh....
[05:55] <z5000man> Good man.
[05:56] <faulkes-> money is money and I'm not cheap ;)
[05:57] <z5000man> Uh oh.... did it already cost me money just to make those comments?
[05:57]  * z5000man ducks in cover
[06:03] <faulkes-> heh, no
[11:39] <rhineheart_m> hello! I have this problem.. I can't make my box sends and receives email...
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, what error do you get?
[11:45] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: This is the first error I got:  Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using example.com  for ServerName
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, that looks like an apache error. whats your mail server?
[11:47] <rhineheart_m> m using Postfix Mail Server
[11:47] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: Postfix version 2.4.5
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> to fix your hostname you'll need to look at /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname . for the mailserver, you'll probably also want /etc/mailname
[11:50] <rhineheart_m> I got them correct
[11:50] <rhineheart_m> the one that handles my DNS is zoneedit..
[11:50] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: do I need to configure something in the server to point it back to zoneedit.com?
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, i doubt it
[11:51] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: what do you mean of saying such?
[11:52] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: I have bind9 running.. do I have something to change there?
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, i doubt you need to point anything to zoneedit. either your dns is not correct locally, or you dont have your hosts/hostname correctly setup
[11:53] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: how to do it?
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, do what?
[11:54] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: what needs to be configured locally correct the problem and points the DNS server to zoneedit?
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, i dont understand what your asking
[11:56] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: okay.. what should I point to zonedit? and what file should I modify?
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, i dont know how zone edit works, so no idea how to use it. have you tried running `hostname` `hostname -a` `hostname -d` ?
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> (and checking they give the correct output)
[11:57] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: what's the command?
[11:58] <rhineheart_m> what DNS can you recommend? My domain has been registered at godaddy.com
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, these three commands: `hostname` `hostname -a` `hostname -d
[11:59]  * Kamping_Kaiser isnt convinced you know how dns works
[12:01] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: do you have a website hosted in your own web server?
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, yes, but not my own mail
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> (not public mail anyway)
[12:03] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: when I type hostname this is the output: tickel.com
[12:04] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: hostname -a >>>> tickel.com  ip6-loopback  tickel.com  ip6-localhost
[12:04] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: hostname -d >>>> com
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> what about `hostname -d` ?
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh.
[12:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> -d should be your domain name, -a should be all aliases for the system, hostname alone should be just the systems name
[12:05] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: do you mean..something's wrong the way I configure it?
[12:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, yes
[12:06] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: okay.. so how could I correct the problem?
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, can you pastebin your /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and /etc/mailname files please
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> !pastebin | rhineheart_m
[12:07] <ubotu> rhineheart_m: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[12:08] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: how to read the files? using cat?
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, that would work. cat/nano/other text editor
[12:11] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: have you seen it?
[12:12] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: that's for the /etc/hosts
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, yeah, i got it
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> i need the other two as well
[12:14] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: okay..
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> although you could paste them directly if you want
[12:16] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: got its?
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[12:17] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: okay.. so what's the issue there?
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, i'm still looking
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, try the one i PMd you
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> for the channel: hes not got his /etc/hosts configured correctly
[12:20] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: okay..I changed it already. what's next?
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, you reload apache/postfix and see if they stop complaining
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> might have to restart even
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> (the services, not the server)
[12:22] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart"
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, yes.
[12:24] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: please check it out..
[12:27] <rhineheart_m> For the channel...we I still can't have it to work.. but we're trying to modify some codes yet..
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> i need to head off to sleep soon. (read effectively now). can someone help rhineheart_m out? he should be almost there
[12:36] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: He has been doing his best and should be thanked.. Thanks for the efforts you've done. I appreciated it!
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, good luck :) i'll read up and see if anyone could help out when i wake up
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> remember, you may have to wait around a bit for someone to come along :)
[12:38] <rhineheart_m> GCLERIC:  are you good in this issue?
[12:39] <gcleric> rhineheart_m:  I'm sorry.  What issue?
[12:40] <rhineheart_m> okay..Kamping_Kaiser has been trying to help me..but we can't get it to work still..
[12:40] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: what issue are you having?
[12:40] <rhineheart_m> I sent you the bin already..
[12:40] <rhineheart_m> have you seen the codes?
[12:41] <gcleric> yes...
[12:41] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: okay..can you do something on it?
[12:42] <gcleric> maybe.  What does your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default look like?
[12:43] <gcleric> does it have ServerName cpacsn.info ?
[12:45] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: how to check it?
[12:45] <gcleric> nano /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[12:45] <gcleric> it should be listed under <VirtualHost>
[12:46] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: have you seen it?
[12:47] <gcleric> I see what you are posting but ServerName foo.some.domain.foo should be added just under the ServerAdmin
[12:47] <gcleric> one you add your domain name to that try restarting apache2
[12:49] <rhineheart_m> to the channel>>>we're almost there to correct the problem..
[12:50] <gcleric> what error are you getting now?
[12:52] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: I just restarted the apache2.. I GOT NO ERROR anymore..
[12:53] <gcleric> sweet!
[12:53] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: thanks! Let me see if I could send email already..
[12:54] <gcleric> no worries...glad I could help.
[12:54] <rhineheart_m> To the channel....I think the issue of DNS has been fixed already.. thanks for the help of Kamping_Kaiser and gcleric!
[12:55] <gcleric> on a side note.  If you plan on doing any .htaccess you need to change the 000-default again.
[12:57] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: my Domain is registered at godaddy.com. MY DNS has been handled by zoneedit.com.. What else I need to set-up in order for my DNS locally can communicate with the DNS in the zoneedit.com?
[12:58] <gcleric> what are you using for your local servers DNS?  Your DNS servers are listed in the /etc/resolv.conf
[13:00] <rhineheart_m> to the channel...we're now trying to point local DNS records to my nameservers at zoneedit.com....(with gcleric)
[13:01] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: are the two nameservers at the bottom who's are those?  Are those zoneedit?
[13:01] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: are running a DNS server locally on that server?
[13:02] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: also the second from the top what is that?
[13:03] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: Nope.. they're of our ISP
[13:04] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: second from the top is the IP of the router
[13:04] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: I would consider putting a #, or remarking out, the first two DNS servers. Just leaving the ones for your ISP.
[13:06] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: how about in the zoneedit?
[13:06] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: did zoneedit provide you with DNS servers IPs?
[13:07] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: I will check it in my account with them.. I am accessing it right now
[13:09] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: I would add those to you /etc/resolv.conf.
[13:09] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: where to add those two? how about the 2 ones already there?
[13:10] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: create entries...  nameserver thipaddress for each of the zoneedit DNS servers.
[13:11] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: then consider remarking the other two out.
[13:12] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: remarking is always better than deleting. =)
[13:13] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: Like the one I pasted already?
[13:13] <gcleric> yup..
[13:15] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: what's the next command?
[13:15] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: how to check if its already working?
[13:16] <gcleric> try accessing your site via a browser.
[13:17] <gcleric> I seem to be able to access you site
[13:18] <gcleric> check your /var/log/apache2/access.log and /var/log/apache2/error.log for any issues.
[13:22] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: mtr to your domain name completes now.
[13:23] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: what's mtr?
[13:24] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: it's a commandline app that combines traceroute and ping.
[13:24] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: I tried mtr...its a great tool! thanks
[13:24] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: I guess windows doesn't have it...
[13:25] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: yes it does.  It's on sourceforge...it's called WinMTR.
[13:26] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: before making the DNS change to the zoneedit DNS server my mtr's to your domain did not complete.
[13:27] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: actually I made some changes with my firewall...try it now...see if you can still mtr my site...
[13:27] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: yup...
[13:27] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: still able to access it.
[13:28] <rhineheart_m> really?
[13:28] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: right now?
[13:28] <gcleric> yup...
[13:28] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: take a look at your /var/log/apache2/access.log
[13:29] <gcleric> yup...that's me...
[13:30] <rhineheart_m> okay... try to mtr again my site..
[13:30] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: just for curiosity sake..let see if you can still mtr it..
[13:30] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: mtr now fails one hop before your server.  I'm guessing at your firewall
[13:31] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: would you like me to scan your server/firewall for any issues?
[13:32] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: okay.. could you recommend it that way? it's more secure right? at least you could still browse..
[13:32] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: blocking ICMP is a good idea.
[13:35] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: everything looks good. =)
[13:36] <rhineheart_m>  to the channel: well, gcleric has been helping me...cheers!
[13:37] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: let me check now if I could already send and receive mails..
[13:39] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: I'm able to telent to port 25 on your server. So you should me able to receive email.
[13:40] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: have you tailored your postfix config to block smtp relaying?
[13:40] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: Thanks for testing.. I intentionally open it for mails..
[13:41] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: nope.. what's the advantages for that? and how to do it?
[13:41] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: advantages: keeping your site from being black listed.
[13:42] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: I sent an email to my squirrelmail.. and I got this error..
[13:43] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: okay.. so how to block smtp relaying?
[13:44] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: edit your /etc/postfix/main.cf
[13:45] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: take a look at http://www.postfix.org/basic.html
[13:46] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: okay m on it already...what's the next?
[13:47] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: also look at http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html
[13:50] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: postfix is big topic and is worth reading a little before you jump in and make changes.
[13:51] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: how are you going to use your mail server?  Are user only going to be sending and receiving email from your internal network?
[13:52] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: nope...for external as well...I want them to receive and send mails to from and to other domains like yahoo.com and hotmail.com
[13:53] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: sorry,  I meant how are they going to be connecting from a cliet stand point.
[13:54] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: are the users only going to be connecting their email clients from inside your network?
[13:54] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: okay...I want them to connect to their mail box wherever they are....not just using the internal network
[13:56] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: Ok...here a better howto...http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_antispam
[13:57] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: before making any changes to the files involved with postfix make backup copies BEFORE changing them
[13:58] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: i.e.  cp /etc/postfix/main.cf  /etc/postfix/main.bak
[13:59] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: take a look at your /etc/postfix/main.cf  and the myhostname =  entry
[13:59] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: how to change back to the original setttings if failed?
[14:00] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: cp /etc/postfix/main.bak /etc/postfix/main.cf
[14:00] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: again make a backup before changing.
[14:01] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: thanks for the advice.. DONE.
[14:02] <gcleric> =)
[14:03] <rhineheart_m> to the channel: gcleric has really helped me a lot..
[14:04] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: no worries .=)
[14:04] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: what does the file /etc/mailname look like?
[14:04] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: is something wrong with those entries?
[14:05] <RindTailedFox> in a network where some clients are linux and some windows, server is linux, what are the ways by which i can restrict any pc to boot or login unless its authenticated from the server. and the uptime for each pc or login/logof time is recored too. in such a way that i can count for how much time the pc was loged in and used for the whole month. 2. no other computer can access internet that is not in the server list?
[14:05] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: change that/etc/mailname too...backup first.
[14:07] <gcleric> RindTailedFox: are you talking about Samba?
[14:07] <RindTailedFox> nop. i dont know whats samba
[14:08] <gcleric> RindTailedFox: how are the windows clients authenticating to the server?
[14:08] <RindTailedFox> thats what i wana set up
[14:10] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: again make a backup before change the setting  mynetworks = to reflect the IP of the server.  This should ne the ip that it is using behind yor firewall
[14:11] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: what do you mean?
[14:11] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: also take a look at your /var/log/mail.log file
[14:12] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: mynetworks = is a setting in your /etc/postfix/main.cf
[14:12] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: it's only listing localhost
[14:14] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: take a look at http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/550-bl21.html
[14:15] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: basically yahoo is saying that it will not talk to your server becasue it is a dynamic or residential IP.
[14:16] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: but its a static IP..
[14:17] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: "If you think that your IP address has been listed in error, you or your email administrator should contact Spamhaus. Once your IP is de-listed by Spamhaus, Yahoo! Mail will automatically unblock your IP within 48 hours."
[14:17] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: are you suggesting that my networks  should be localhost? e.g. my networks = localhost
[14:18] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: no,  it should also contain your internal subnet i.e. 10.1.10.0/24 or whatever the subnet is that the server sits on.
[14:19] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: something like....
[14:19] <gcleric> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 172.16.1.16/32, 172.16.2.11/32
[14:21] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: but back to your yahoo issue.
[14:22] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: what does it mean? like this? 192.168.1.0/32?
[14:22] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: /32 would only be one host.  If you have a subnet of 255.255.255.0 you should make it /24
[14:23] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: but back to your yahoo issue.
[14:24] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: you need to contact Spamhaus and have them delist your IP.
[14:24] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: thanks. I appreciate it.
[14:24] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: no worries.
[14:25] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: back to mynetworks:   I will use 192.168.1.0/24 since my subnet is 255.255.255.0. correct?
[14:25] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: yes..
[14:27] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: I have to jump off pretty soon.  Our Ubuntu LoCo is going to be building a Ubuntu network this morning for a local homeless shelter.
[14:27] <gcleric> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Endorphin_Power_Company_Ubuntu_Install_and_Support
[14:28] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: how about in "/etc/network/interfaces"
[14:28] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: I'll be happy to jump back on later this evening to help you some more.
[14:29] <RindTailedFox>  whats the most easy and featureful ldap ?
[14:29] <gcleric> rhineheart_m:  /etc/network/interfaces only edit that if you are going to be changing your servers IP and Subnet info.
[14:30] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: is there another file that i need to edit to control the network of 192.168.1.0/24?
[14:30] <gcleric>  RindTailedFox: Take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=640760
[14:30] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: no. not for postfix.
[14:31] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: why?
[14:31] <RindTailedFox> gcleric ok
[14:31] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: just asking...are you from where?
[14:31] <gcleric>  RindTailedFox: no worries.
[14:32] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: Albuquerque, NM USA
[14:32] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrammatonCleric
[14:33] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: why is it that the emails I sent from the box tool a little while to arrive at yahoo.com?
[14:33] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: how long is a little while?
[14:34] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: about an hour
[14:34] <faulkes-> yahoo does it's own filtering and in fact may delay your message if it meets a certain threshold
[14:34] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: take a look at your mail.log look for the message in question.
[14:35] <faulkes-> that threshold is based upon several factors, such as SPF records, Domain Keys record, your hosts history of mail traffic and spam ratings
[14:35] <faulkes-> usually they temporarily defer messages which don't meet the above qualifications
[14:35] <faulkes-> and it does log the reason, including a url for an explanation
[14:36] <faulkes-> at least in every instance I've had to deal with yahoo mail issues
[14:37] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: also to add what faultes- said your IP being listed by Spamhaus didn't help.
[14:37] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: okay.. I've seen you wiki... that's  great!
[14:37] <faulkes-> yes, an ip in spamhaus would certainly cause issues
[14:38] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: not to toot my own horn...I just got Offical Ubuntu Membership on Thursday... =)
[14:38] <gcleric> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers
[14:40] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: That's great! Congratulations...
[14:40] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: thanks. =)
[14:41] <faulkes-> gcleric: congrats
[14:41] <gcleric> faulkes-: thanks. =)
[14:41] <faulkes-> I'll be doing that process shortly myself
[14:42] <gcleric> faulkes-: have a summary statement to paste in ready.  They like that.. =)
[14:42] <gcleric> faulkes-: and be ready to answer questions.
[14:43] <faulkes-> already have one and adding to it consistently, along with people to support it
[14:44] <gcleric> faulkes-: even better.  I should ne in attendance at the next meeting.
[14:44] <gcleric> faulkes-: Oh they are working on having regional approval boards.
[14:45] <faulkes-> I'm not overly concerned with the process, however they manage it
[14:45] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: I can't anymore send a mail from squirrelmail
[14:45] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: what does you postfix main.cf look like now...
[14:46] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: are there any errors in the mail.log?
[14:46] <faulkes-> I will apply based upon my contributions/support from other members, etc. and I'll accept whatever decision they make, it wouldn't stop me contributing if they said "come back in 3 months" or some such
[14:47] <gcleric> faulkes-: it took several Community Council meetings before they got to my application so be patient.
[14:47] <faulkes-> I'm an old man, I've learned to be patient ;)
[14:48] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: you need to have 127.0.0.0/8 in the mynetworks in addition to your local subnet info.
[14:51] <rhineheart_m> gcleric:  just like it?
[14:52] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: i'd list it before the local subnet.
[14:52] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: then /etc/ini.d/postfix restart
[14:54] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: /etc/init.d/postfix restart?
[14:54] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: Oh, about yahoo yes I use pidgin drop me an email at th3.grammaton.cleric@gmail.com and I'll send you my yahoo and gmail ids
[14:55] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: yes sorry for the type-o
[14:55] <rhineheart_m> gcleric:  np. :)
[14:58] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: are you in a place where I can jump off?  Can we pick this up later?  I need to get ready for our Ubuntu install.
[14:59] <rhineheart_m> gcleric: okay... thanks..
[15:00] <gcleric> rhineheart_m: no worries.  Again drop me an email at th3.grammaton.cleric@gmail.com and I'll send you my yahoo and gmail ids
[15:02] <gcleric> well got to jump into the shower and load up the car.  For anyone interested Ubuntu NM LoCo Team is building an Ubuntu based network today for a local homeless shelter.  Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Endorphin_Power_Company_Ubuntu_Install_and_Support for details.
[15:04] <gcleric> c'ya...
[17:20] <AnRkey> when I try and run a command with sudo I get  "sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Feb 25 01:07:45 2008"
[17:20] <AnRkey> what can I do to fix this?
[17:25] <AnRkey> it's a bit of a catch 22 as I can't change the time either, need sudo for that too
[17:28] <AnRkey> ahhh, ok never mind, I rebooted the box via ssh
[17:29] <AnRkey> all fine now
[17:40] <faulkes-> install the ntp package to make sure your machine stays sync'd to an ntp server
[17:41]  * faulkes- grumbles at perl DBI
[20:00] <mookid> What should I be looking for if I want to learn about build an SMTP server? =)
[20:01] <mok0_> mookid: install a box with ubuntu server edition and install an smtp server on it
[20:02] <mok0_> mookid: sendmail/postfix/exim ... plenty to choose from
[20:02] <Nafallo> mookid: ehrm. reinventing the well are we? :-)
[20:02] <lamont> mok0_: you actually suggested sendmail???
[20:03] <mok0_> lamont: yep
[20:03] <lamont> mookid: the server CD has postfix on it, iirc.  might have exim4 as welll
[20:03] <lamont> mok0_: there's a reason that sendmail is in universe...
[20:03] <lamont> well, several reasons.
[20:04] <mok0_> lamont: a matter of taste
[20:04] <lamont> not the least being the security team promise to veto it if anyone does an MIR...
[20:04] <mok0_> lamont: MIR?
[20:05] <ScottK> Main Inclusion Report
[20:05] <lamont> mookid: most of the ubuntu-server docs focus around using postfix.  exim4 is also quite popular
[20:05] <lamont> mok0_: that's a required step for migrating something from universe to main.
[20:05] <ScottK> Postfix is the standard for Ubuntu and Exim is standard for Debian (our upstream).
[20:06]  * mok0_ has been using sendmail the last 15 years and is a happy camper
[20:06] <lamont> which means that if you don't have an SMTP server on the machine and install something that requires it, you're likely to wind up with exim4
[20:07] <lamont> I was using sendmail until I accidentally switched production over to postfix in 1997 and no one noticed for 2 weeks.
[20:07] <lamont> fortunately, when sendmail died, there wasn't any mail in the queue
[20:07] <mookid> lol?
[20:07] <mookid> :P
[20:07] <mok0_> lamont: you mean no one received email in two weeks ;-)
[20:07] <mookid> postfix it is then
[20:07] <mookid> :D
[20:07] <lamont> mok0_: no
[20:07] <lamont> sendmail was listening on one IP, postfix on INADDR_ANY
[20:08] <lamont> when sendmail died, postfix just picked up the load
[20:08] <lamont> seamless and totally accidental conversion
[20:08] <Nafallo> lamont: nice :-)
[20:08] <lamont> and that was with non-public alpha postfix
[20:08] <Nafallo> now we just need SQL-backend storage ;-)
[20:08] <lamont> Nafallo: why?
[20:08] <lamont> sounds like a LDA thing
[20:09] <Nafallo> cause it would be fun :-)
[20:09] <Nafallo> should be pretty fast as well I imagine
[20:09] <lamont> heh. you propose it... I haven't seen a good beating in quite some time.. :-)
[20:09] <Nafallo> lol
[20:10] <Nafallo> not without proof-of-concept code and benchmarks I will not :-)
[20:10] <mok0_> Nafallo: isn't that what dbmail is for?
[20:10] <Nafallo> looks like it :-)
[20:11]  * Nafallo looks up documentation
[20:12] <mookid> can i setup DNS, SSH, FTP, and SMTP on the same box?
[20:13] <Nafallo> yes
[20:13] <Nafallo> there are no limits in what you can do really
[20:13] <mookid> ok - I just wanted to check there were no ghosts in the machine
[20:13] <mookid> bill gates has brainwashed me
[20:14] <mookid> did I just go through the process of englightenment?
[20:14] <Nafallo> woha
[20:15] <mookid> woha? :D
[20:15] <Nafallo> mok0_: looks quite kewl. just want to use dovecot rather then the dbmail imapd :-)
[20:15] <mok0_> Nafallo: I understand, me too
[20:15] <mookid> what package should I be using for DNS ?
[20:15] <mok0_> bind9
[20:15] <lamont> iptables -nvL | wc -l
[20:15] <lamont> 2553
[20:15] <mookid> ah yes sorry I already knew that
[20:15] <mookid> ! :D
[20:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about d - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:15] <lamont> hrm... maybe that's a bit excessive
[20:16] <mookid> !DNS
[20:16] <ubotu> DNS is an acronym for Domain Name System, and is an internet system used to translate names into IP Address.
[20:16] <mookid> !bind9
[20:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bind9 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:16] <mookid> :(
[20:16] <lamont> ubotu: you say the kindest things
[20:16] <lamont> !BIND
[20:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bind - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:16] <lamont> piffle
[20:16] <mok0_> ! named
[20:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about named - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:17] <mok0_> damn
[20:17] <lamont> mok0_: named is an implementation of BIND.  kthx. :-)
[20:18] <mok0_> lamont: just testing ubotu's knowledge...
[20:18] <lamont> yeah
[20:18] <lamont> try talking to it directly... it's too embarrassed to say it's a bot in public
[20:18] <mok0_> bind9 can be a bit daunting to configure
[20:19] <lamont> mok0_: depends...
[20:19] <lamont> the default install just works for most people
[20:19] <lamont> being authoritative does require some knowledge.
[20:19]  * mok0_ hasn't ever used the default install
[20:20] <mok0_> lamont: Right. I quietly assumed mookid wanted to be authoritative
[20:20] <lamont> that's generally true
[20:21] <ScottK> mok0_: Since you use Sendmail and were looking for productive stuff to do, you might want a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sendmail/  I suspect there are some things you could fix there.
[20:23] <mok0_> ScottK: I haven't had that kind of troubles, but the mail server runs debian lenny
[20:24] <ScottK> mok0_: modulo any changes made since Debian Import Freeze the packages are the same.
[20:24] <ScottK> Perhaps you could do a little triaging and see if we have stuff that needs to be fixed up.
[20:24] <mok0_> ScottK: My guess is that this is a local configuration error and not a bug
[20:25] <ScottK> With Sendmail configuration error is generally a safe guess.
[20:25] <mok0_> ScottK: ... and having network-manager is sure to screw things up
[20:25] <mookid> yeha I do want to be authoritative =)
[20:25] <mok0_> ScottK: it's responsible for all kinds of boot failures
[20:26] <ScottK> OK.  Fix that too then ... ;-)
[20:26] <mookid> can I point mail.mydomain.com to the machine itself?
[20:26] <lamont> mookid: adding a zone is pretty trivial actually
[20:26] <lamont> sure
[20:26] <mok0_> ScottK: ah, the fix is apt-get remove network-manager :-)
[20:26] <lamont> mok0_: you forgot --purge
[20:26] <ScottK> Actually I've had no real trouble with network-manager on my laptops in Gutsy.
[20:26] <lamont> alternatively, make sendmail DTRT when network-mangler switches things around
[20:26] <mookid> ok so I can run an entire home domian with SMTP and SSH, FTP, the works.. all off the same box
[20:27] <lamont> ScottK: I finally re-added network-manager to my gutsy laptop (the new one, from switching jobs), and haven't found the need to hit it over the head too hard
[20:27] <mok0_> ScottK: No, but if you run any kind of network services like nis or autofs it will screw you up
[20:27] <lamont> mookid: many of us do
[20:27] <ScottK> mok0_: It wouldn't suprise me.
[20:27] <lamont> yellow plague, is well, it's own kind of screw up
[20:28] <lamont> mookid: although since I turned my home network into a complicated mess, things are somewhat separated
[20:28] <mok0_> ScottK: btw, who is "Valyander"?
[20:28] <ScottK> ? mok0_ ENOCONTEXT
[20:29] <ScottK> I see.
[20:29] <ScottK> No idea.
[20:29] <mok0_> ScottK: he seems to be subscribed to all Ubuntu bugs in LP
[20:29] <lamont> 11: eth2.2@eth2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,10000> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue
[20:29] <mok0_> ScottK: spooky
[20:29] <lamont> hrm.. does that mean that tc won't actually do anything on that, and I need to put it on eth2 instead?
[20:30] <lamont> mok0_: obviously he wants lots of mail
[20:30] <mok0_> lamont: I am guessing it is someone harvesting active emails
[20:31]  * ScottK has used the same address since 1998, so I think I'm already on all he lists.  I don't really worry about it.
[20:31] <mookid> ok thanks alot for all your advice guys.. I'll see you around I guess =)
[20:32] <lamont> mok0_: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ken-paulsen
[20:32] <lamont> or without the edge. :-)
[20:32] <mok0_> lamont: well ken is very closed about the circumstances of his interest
[20:32] <lamont> no wiki page, but he's been around for 2+ years
[20:33] <mok0_> lamont: not very productive though
[20:34]  * mok0_ welcomes all to the Ubuntu "Who is Valyander" project...
[20:37] <lamont> have fun.  better things to do
[20:39] <lamont> speaking of which.  wife calling.  bl
[20:39] <lamont> bbl
[21:26] <alstone> ok
[21:26] <alstone> anyone here?
[21:27] <alstone> am I supposed to get mail through my server if the ip in the postfix conf is 127.0.0.1/8?
[21:30] <lamont> alstone: which IP?
[21:33]  * lamont grumbles at how long it takes to do sha1sums on 600GB
[21:44] <alstone> ok
[21:44] <alstone> so where to go for postfix help?
[21:44] <lamont> here works
[21:44] <alstone> I tried #unbuntu-postfix
[21:45] <alstone> oh
[21:45] <alstone> ok
[21:45] <alstone> damn
[21:45] <lamont> server includes an MTA, after all.
[21:45] <lamont> there are several places where an IP could be in the config...
[21:45] <lamont> probably the easiest thing to do is to /query me the contents of main.cf, or pick your favorite pastebin
[21:46] <lamont> fwiw, I am the postfix maintainer for debian and ubuntu...
[21:49] <alstone> well I followed the instructions for installing got everything working but all mail is refused now I know that 127.0.01/8 won't work but if I change it I'll get spamed like the dickens
[21:50] <lamont> and exactly which parameter are you setting to 127.0.0.1?
[21:51] <lamont> and which "instructions for installing"?
[21:51] <lamont> the ones I give are "apt-get install postfix, answer the questions, and if you want more, see the book or ask"
[21:51] <arigold> hi all - which distro do I load for a Xeon proc 5300 series?
[21:52] <lamont> arigold: well, if you try to load amd64 and it fails to boot, then you load i386
[21:52] <lamont> arigold: that's without bothering to even look to see if Xeon 5300 series supports 64-bit
[21:52] <arigold> I see.. I suppose the i386 is not going to utilize the full potential of the CPU... ?
[21:52] <lamont> i386 == 32-bit x64
[21:52] <lamont> er, 36-bity x86
[21:53] <lamont> 32-bit x86
[21:53] <lamont> stupid keyboard
[21:53] <arigold> it does support 64-bit and is optimized for Virtualization
[21:53] <lamont> then throw the amd64 install on it
[21:53] <alstone> ummmm sorry I am at work
[21:53] <lamont> alstone: ah.  when will you be back at the problematic machine?
[21:54] <lamont> and how did you install it (where did you get "the instructions for installing"?
[21:54] <arigold> thank you, lamont....
[21:56] <alstone> ummmm 11 est
[21:57] <alstone> the instructions are https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
[22:02] <alstone> I guess it is instructions to configure postfix
[22:03] <lamont> ah, ok.  that 127.0.0.0/8 is for mynetworks.
[22:03] <lamont> so you'll relay mail from your machine, but not anyone else
[22:03] <lamont> are you just trying to do email from that machine, or do you have other machines that want to send outbound mail through it?
[22:06] <lamont> and I expect that you changed "server1.example.com" to your host, yes? :-)
[22:06] <alstone> yeah but not the ip
[22:07] <lamont> that shouldn't matter.
[22:07] <lamont> for local mail anyway
[22:07] <alstone> also I need to set it to use an smtp server so I can send email through my isp
[22:07] <lamont> are there more machines using this one?
[22:07] <lamont> ah.
[22:07] <alstone> well I have a home network and acct for each on the server
[22:07] <lamont> that's just a matter of telling it: relayhost=[nameofserver] (yes, with the [])
[22:08] <lamont> then mynetworks needs to include the home network IP block
[22:08] <lamont> and if you don't have a hostname that's in the actual DNS, then life gets a bit more painful.
[22:10] <mok0_> alstone: you want your machine to use a smarthost?
[22:15] <lamont> mok0_: that's what he said
[22:16] <mok0_> alstone: look at http://origo.bioxray.au.dk/drupal5/node/21
[22:16] <alstone> omg
[22:17] <mok0_> alstone: you should be able to use that as example
[22:20] <lamont> mok0_: myhostname should be an fqdn, not just one component of it..
[22:20] <alstone> ok
[22:20] <alstone> I am looking at it right now
[22:20] <mok0_> lamont: whatever. Doesn't matter for us
[22:21] <lamont> mok0_: it does the first time you talk to a machine that has the same name...
[22:21] <mok0_> lamont: hm
[22:21] <lamont> so yeah, as long as your machine is the only one with that name and a broken config, it'll work just fine.
[22:22] <lamont> relayhost = mail.bioxray.au.dk
[22:22] <lamont> and note that you are sending your mail to the MX host list for mail.bioxray.au.dk
[22:22] <lamont> that _MIGHT_ not be quite what you want either.
[22:22] <alstone> so the smtp server would be the relay host
[22:22] <lamont> smtp servers that deliver mail off-machine _are_ relays
[22:23] <lamont> the ISP's smtp server would be what you put in brackets in relayhost=
[22:24] <mok0_> My advice is to forward mail downstream if you can.
[22:24] <lamont> alstone: as long as your machine has a real (in the DNS) hostname, it's trivial to set up
[22:25] <lamont> and writing up what to do if it isn't is on the list of things that (1) should be done and (2) probably has if I knew where to look
[22:30]  * mok0_ updated blog entry to include fqdn for myhostname
[22:34] <AlferedHichcok> iam new at this ldap stuff. how shouldi setup the server and client in the most secure manner. so that if any other clients tries to pluge the cable to the server he wont get connected.? how do i do networking that way?
[22:46] <alstone> so what is the number that follows 192.168.1.0/?
[22:50] <alstone> server is 192.168.1.2 gateway is 192.168.1.1
[22:51] <alstone> 192.168.1.0/24?
[22:54] <lamont> it's the prefix length of the subnet
[22:54] <lamont> for 192.168.1.0, I'd expect to see "24"
[22:55] <lamont> that assumes that the netmask on the interface is 255.255.255.0
[22:55] <AlferedHichcok> iam new at this ldap stuff. how shouldi setup the server and client in the most secure manner. so that if any other clients tries to pluge the cable to the server he wont get connected.? how do i do networking that way?
[22:55] <lamont> (rather, it's a restatement of same)
[22:55] <lamont> AlferedHichcok: your question requires a lot of refinement before it will be answerable
[22:55] <lamont> ldaps with with binding being required is the short answer
[22:56] <lamont> and whether or not a machine can talk to your ldap server is a completely separate question from whether or not networking works
[23:01] <mookid2> ±
[23:04] <lamont> mookid2: does that mean it workedA?
[23:04] <mookid2> no that means i'm pooping about with irssi on my eeepc cos i'm bored waiting for ubuntu-desktop to download
[23:04] <lamont> AlferedHichcok: based on my guess as to what the most likely interpretation of your questions is...)
[23:04] <lamont> mookid2: heh
[23:04] <mookid2> :p
[23:05] <lamont> alpha5 I assue?
[23:05] <lamont> assme?
[23:05] <lamont> assume.  tehre,.
[23:05] <lamont> stupid keyboard
[23:06] <lamont> real    7m11.567s
[23:06] <lamont> user    17m32.150s
[23:06] <lamont> interesting
[23:08] <rhineheart_m> Is anybody here who could assist me? my postfix won't send/receive mails...
[23:09] <lamont> how does it not send/receive?
[23:09] <lamont> that is, what is the error?>
[23:12] <JDStone> I'm running Ubuntu server edgy and was wondering how to make my external USB hard drive auto mount when I plug it in?
[23:14] <lamont> JDStone: probably pmount, then again, your machine goes out of support in about 2 months, and I'm not sure many remember specifics about edgy...
[23:14] <lamont> likewise, you could do something in udev to automount it, I expect
[23:16] <JDStone> yeah, I figured I could do something in udev
[23:16] <JDStone> but I don't know what nor how
[23:16] <JDStone> why would it matter if it goes out of support in 2 months
[23:16] <JDStone> just pretend I'm using gutsy
[23:16] <JDStone> ;)
[23:17] <JDStone> there's got to be an easy way, it's done in the desktop version of Ubuntu
[23:18] <JDStone> I might as well just upgrade to gutys
[23:18] <JDStone> *gutsy
[23:20] <rhineheart_m> lamont: this is the message I got from yahoo.com when I tried to email squirrelmail in my box...
[23:20] <AlferedHichcok> how to make ldap network having windows (client)account folders in a linux server (openldap) so that everytime client boots. it has to auth from server?
[23:23] <JDStone> I just want to learn how to set up openldap correctly, lol
[23:23] <JDStone> but seriously
[23:24] <lamont> JDStone: I think pmount + gnome-volume-manager is what does it in desktop, dunno for sure though
[23:26] <Nafallo> not pmount anymore.
[23:26] <Nafallo> gnome-mount
[23:27] <lamont> Nafallo: see.  I don't pay attention to gnome/desktop stuff so much... :-)
[23:27] <lamont> anyway, wife dragging me off for a while
[23:27] <Nafallo> :-)
[23:27] <Nafallo> lamont: later :-)
[23:29] <JDStone> lamont: Nafallo what about in Kubuntu?
[23:29] <JDStone> what's used?
[23:29] <Nafallo> JDStone: I don't use KDE.
[23:31] <JDStone> I don't use Gnome
[23:31] <JDStone> lol
[23:31] <JDStone> everyone is different
[23:31] <JDStone> is there an easy way to set up OpenLDAP?
[23:53] <rhineheart_m> wich is better? sendmail or postfix?
[23:59] <faulkes-> rhineheart: you'd need to refine the question a bit more