| MotherLUG | Afternoon. Can any one recommend which release of edubuntu would be best for a stand alone desktop & what the minimum hardware specs required would be please. | 02:38 |
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| HedgeMage | MotherLUG: most current (gutsy 7.10) is the way to go :) I am not sure what the stated requirements are, though. | 02:54 |
| gendrix | hello every one, ... i need help! | 05:22 |
| gendrix | i want to share an intenet connection from a modem to 3 lan cards, eth1, eth2, eth3. how to do it ? | 05:24 |
| johnny | there are various tutorials online about how to do so | 05:25 |
| gendrix | what kind of key word to search them ? | 05:27 |
| HedgeMage | gendrix: linux router might be a good start | 05:28 |
| johnny | linux connection sharing | 05:32 |
| gendrix | thanx, i'll try to start searching | 05:44 |
| johnny | you will find good things.. | 05:51 |
| johnny | it'd be cool to have a better gui for that | 05:51 |
| * johnny wishes networkmanager 0.7.0 comes out.. | 05:52 | |
| johnny | :( | 05:52 |
| gendrix | any gui way for gutsy? | 05:57 |
| SmytyThor | hey all... big crowd! | 06:04 |
| SmytyThor | quiet though... anybody home? | 06:06 |
| SmytyThor | well i guess it doesent matter so much... | 06:07 |
| SmytyThor | Anyway I'm looking for some good educational games for my kid, i just installed Edubuntu and i want to choose some packages to install for her | 06:08 |
| SmytyThor | she's 4.. and im looking for some fun games to get her practising using the computer. Any suggestions? | 06:08 |
| johnny | ogra, ogra_cmpc lemme know when you're about | 09:19 |
| ogra_cmpc | RichEd, we need more apps :P .... | 16:11 |
| ogra_cmpc | our cd (while still including 200M windows software) is only 430M big atm | 16:11 |
| RichEd | hi ... as a user need / request or to fill up space | 16:11 |
| ogra_cmpc | i just rearranged all the seeds (should be near what we will have as final app set) | 16:12 |
| RichEd | ogra: well isn't that a pleasure compared to squeezing and jugggling you had to do before ? | 16:12 |
| ogra_cmpc | so currently edubuntu is only about 250M big | 16:12 |
| ogra_cmpc | indeed it is | 16:12 |
| ogra_cmpc | :) | 16:12 |
| RichEd | it's not like the users are missing out on stuff they had, it's jsut moved into the ubuntu guts | 16:13 |
| ogra_cmpc | i'm still unsure if we want to keep the winfoss software on there | 16:13 |
| RichEd | i think so if there is "unused space" ... it kind of shows we are prepared to accept and support any move towards open source ... | 16:13 |
| RichEd | and that may give us a potential convertee in time, and also shows we are not an all or nothing fanatical bunch | 16:14 |
| RichEd | like the boys in redmond | 16:14 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, we need to promote that then | 16:14 |
| ogra_cmpc | we had the software on that cd since it exists | 16:15 |
| ogra_cmpc | but it was never announced anywhere | 16:15 |
| Nubae | ok, I checked ps aux and nbdclient is running | 16:15 |
| Nubae | and the regular stuff is in /proc/mounts | 16:16 |
| ogra_cmpc | RichEd, also have a look at the text here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20080225.1/ we should have something better than just being called "add-on CD" at the top | 16:16 |
| Nubae | i guess I better be specific... | 16:17 |
| RichEd | ogra: edubuntu 8.04 - ubuntu education add-on CD | 16:19 |
| ogra_cmpc | right | 16:19 |
| * ogra_cmpc notes that down | 16:19 | |
| ogra_cmpc | not sure we should put the version in there | 16:20 |
| ogra_cmpc | its written at the top already | 16:20 |
| ogra_cmpc | seems somewhat redundant | 16:21 |
| RichEd | well that was the full name ... trim as appropriate for specific usage | 16:23 |
| ogra_cmpc | i think keep edubuntu 8.04 at the top and call it "ubuntu educational add-on CD" in the rest of the text | 16:24 |
| Nubae | http://pastebin.com/m1b9956a | 16:31 |
| Nubae | thats my /proc/mounts output | 16:31 |
| Nubae | and nbdclient is definetly running | 16:31 |
| ogra_cmpc | are you sure you didnt make any typos ? | 16:33 |
| ogra_cmpc | unionfs /root unionfs rw,dirs=/cow=rw:rofs=ro,debug=4294967295,delete=whiteout 0 0 | 16:33 |
| ogra_cmpc | looks worng | 16:33 |
| ogra_cmpc | there should be a slash in front of rofs | 16:34 |
| ogra_cmpc | (that code didnt change since ages though, i would not know how you lost the slash) | 16:34 |
| Nubae | ah yes sorry there is | 16:34 |
| ogra_cmpc | ah, k | 16:34 |
| Nubae | its busybox so couldnt scp | 16:35 |
| Nubae | wrote down by hand | 16:35 |
| Nubae | :-) | 16:35 |
| ogra_cmpc | but there is definately no /rofs in the list | 16:35 |
| ogra_cmpc | there should be a moount using the nbd0 devie | 16:35 |
| ogra_cmpc | device | 16:35 |
| ogra_cmpc | can you try: mount -t squashfs /dev/nbd0 /rofs ? | 16:36 |
| ogra_cmpc | (inside the busybox) | 16:36 |
| ogra_cmpc | nbd-client ${NBD_ROOT_SERVER} ${NBD_ROOT_PORT} /dev/nbd0 && mount -o ro -t squashfs /dev/nbd0 /rofs | 16:37 |
| ogra_cmpc | thats the original command that mounts the squashfs | 16:37 |
| Nubae | on /rofs failed, invalid argument | 16:37 |
| ogra_cmpc | aha | 16:38 |
| ogra_cmpc | is /rofs existing | 16:38 |
| ogra_cmpc | and check if squashfs shows up in /proc/modules | 16:38 |
| Nubae | how is rofs normally created? | 16:39 |
| ogra_cmpc | in the line above the one i just pasted :) | 16:39 |
| Nubae | yes it exists | 16:39 |
| ogra_cmpc | and squashfs is in your modules list ? | 16:40 |
| Nubae | and yes it squashfs shows in /proc/modules | 16:40 |
| ogra_cmpc | weird | 16:40 |
| Nubae | well at least thats definetly what's failing | 16:41 |
| ogra_cmpc | and your nbd client actually uses the prot thats defined for the image ? | 16:41 |
| ogra_cmpc | *port | 16:41 |
| Nubae | how do I check from busybox? | 16:42 |
| ogra_cmpc | you said you see nbd-client in your processlist | 16:42 |
| ogra_cmpc | it should have the port there | 16:42 |
| Nubae | ok | 16:42 |
| ogra_cmpc | check that is matches the port defined in inetd.conf on the server | 16:43 |
| Nubae | it does | 16:43 |
| ogra_cmpc | i'm running out of ides | 16:43 |
| ogra_cmpc | *ideas | 16:43 |
| Nubae | isnt the issue with mounting to /rofs? | 16:44 |
| Nubae | why does it give failed, invalid argument? | 16:45 |
| ogra_cmpc | thats an error from ount | 16:46 |
| ogra_cmpc | mount | 16:46 |
| Nubae | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/10/22/%23edubuntu.txt - same issue here | 16:47 |
| Nubae | looks like its related to x64 | 16:48 |
| ogra_cmpc | nope | 16:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | "No such device" is a compeletly different thig | 16:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | thats failing a lot earlier than yours | 16:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | i guess that guy had set SERVER or any other weird thing in lts.conf | 16:50 |
| ogra_cmpc | he came from k12ltsp which needed lts.conf ... many people just blindly copy that over without noticing it will break | 16:50 |
| Nubae | and here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/06/21/%23edubuntu.txt | 16:51 |
| Nubae | <ogra> seems like a bug in the ltsp-nbd script ... from there | 16:52 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: hi, do you know of a good XML library for python I could use to easily edit/generate italc's config file ? | 16:52 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: that would need to be in main | 16:52 |
| ogra_cmpc | Nubae, that script didnt change since gutsy | 16:54 |
| Nubae | anyway, that was to do with nbdlcient not running | 16:55 |
| Nubae | so not it either | 16:55 |
| ogra_cmpc | stgraber, python-xml doesnt suffice ? | 16:56 |
| stgraber | well, it doesn't fit the "easy" point :) | 16:56 |
| ogra_cmpc | hmm | 16:57 |
| stgraber | last time I played with it I had to write like 5-6 extra functions to make it more or less easy to parse XML (and that was only a read only app :)) | 16:57 |
| ogra_cmpc | probably doko could help | 16:57 |
| ogra_cmpc | i try to stay awqay from xml if i can :) | 16:57 |
| ogra_cmpc | (it usually has nothing to offer i cant do by a normal text file) | 16:58 |
| stgraber | yes and normal text file are easy to parse :) (with regexps of course) | 16:59 |
| stgraber | the idea is to create a LTSP classroom in italc instead of what I currently do which is to basically move the current config file away and generate a new one, then restore it when closing italc | 17:00 |
| stgraber | that way, one could use italc in a mixed environement (as I currently have in my test school) | 17:00 |
| Nubae | ogra... so the issue is with dev/nbd0 not mounting as squashfs? | 17:02 |
| Nubae | I dont have nbdswap running | 17:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, the issue seems to be with the squashfs module | 17:05 |
| sexyback | when i connect to wkstn via thin client manager it pops error "Unavailable (Install x11vnc on terminal) " - how do you do this | 17:06 |
| ogra_cmpc | there is a wikipage for that ... dont have the link nady atm | 17:06 |
| ogra_cmpc | *handy | 17:06 |
| Nubae | just chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install x11vnc | 17:07 |
| ogra_cmpc | Nubae, there a some more stuff involved | 17:07 |
| ogra_cmpc | s/a/is | 17:07 |
| Nubae | maybe in gutsy yeah | 17:08 |
| ogra_cmpc | since it exists | 17:08 |
| ogra_cmpc | x11vnc doesnt asdd any startup scripts | 17:08 |
| * ogra_cmpc takes a break now | 17:09 | |
| Nubae | there's something about making sure resolv.conf is correct in the chroot too | 17:10 |
| sexyback | newbie here, what do you mean with resolv.conf | 17:12 |
| Nubae | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 nano /etc/resolv.conf and make sure u copy what is in /etc/resolv.conf | 17:13 |
| sexyback | what is chroot, is this root? | 17:13 |
| sexyback | also what is nano | 17:14 |
| Nubae | and do this chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 nano /etc/rc.local and add x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop -shared & | 17:14 |
| Nubae | chroot is like a virtual environment | 17:15 |
| Nubae | and nano is just an editor | 17:15 |
| Nubae | also, the full howto for the vnc stuff is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406220&highlight=edubuntu&page=2 | 17:16 |
| sexyback | ok | 17:16 |
| johnny | ogra_cmpc, i'm in my hardy vm, and i don't see ~/.gvfs mounted , is there a reason for that? | 18:38 |
| ogra_cmpc | sexyback, you should rather use https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients ... the forums are way to confusing here | 18:38 |
| ogra_cmpc | johnny, how do you mean "mounted" | 18:39 |
| johnny | in mounts | 18:39 |
| johnny | err mount | 18:39 |
| ogra_cmpc | why should you see it there ? | 18:39 |
| johnny | because that's what i see in my other non ubuntu gnome 2.21 install? | 18:39 |
| ogra_cmpc | for each user ? | 18:40 |
| johnny | yes | 18:40 |
| ogra_cmpc | thats insane | 18:40 |
| johnny | it's fuse | 18:40 |
| johnny | gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/johnny/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=johnny) | 18:40 |
| ogra_cmpc | i dont have that here on my up to date hardy | 18:40 |
| ogra_cmpc | that looks like some extra thing | 18:42 |
| johnny | hmm.. well it's causing me an issue working with sabayon in my main development environement | 18:42 |
| johnny | i'm asking them now | 18:42 |
| ogra_cmpc | we dont even have gvfs-fuse-daemon | 18:42 |
| ogra_cmpc | look in /usr/lib/gvfs | 18:43 |
| ogra_cmpc | ogra@ceron:~/isos$ ps ax|grep gvfs | 18:43 |
| ogra_cmpc | 6014 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd | 18:43 |
| ogra_cmpc | 6025 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-burn --spawner :1.11 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/0 | 18:43 |
| ogra_cmpc | 6032 ? S 1:36 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.11 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/1 | 18:43 |
| ogra_cmpc | thats how it looks on my machine | 18:44 |
| ogra_cmpc | i think that daemon is some addon thing or so | 18:44 |
| johnny | nome-base/gvfs-0.1.7 (/usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon) | 18:44 |
| ogra_cmpc | libexec????? | 18:44 |
| johnny | it comes with gvfs is all i'm saying | 18:44 |
| ogra_cmpc | surely nothing thats even remotely debian/ubuntu related | 18:44 |
| johnny | it's not an addon outside of the gvfs package | 18:44 |
| ogra_cmpc | ogra@ceron:~/isos$ dpkg -l gvfs-backends|grep ii | 18:46 |
| ogra_cmpc | ii gvfs-backends 0.1.7-0ubuntu5 userspace virtual filesystem - backends | 18:46 |
| johnny | aha, guess you don't compile it with the fuse --configure flag | 18:46 |
| johnny | it seems like a useful feature | 18:46 |
| ogra_cmpc | why? | 18:47 |
| ogra_cmpc | it defaults to use fuse for everything anyway | 18:47 |
| ogra_cmpc | why should we build an extra daemon for that | 18:47 |
| ogra_cmpc | i dont think you can even remotely compare redhat to ubuntu here | 18:48 |
| johnny | oh.. it's enabled by default.. so that's not it | 18:48 |
| ogra_cmpc | we handle fuse totally differently, i assume the mount you see resembles what we use in the fuse module itself | 18:48 |
| johnny | redhat? | 18:49 |
| johnny | i'm using upstream source with no patches | 18:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, that weird libexec path indicated that | 18:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | debian based systems dont have that | 18:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | and i'm pretty sure you cant compare p | 18:50 |
| ogra_cmpc | lain upstream to ubuntu either | 18:50 |
| ogra_cmpc | else we wuldnt have to pay seb128 for integrating upstream stuff to match the ubuntu setup | 18:50 |
| ogra_cmpc | ;) | 18:50 |
| ogra_cmpc | i'd suggest to use ubuntu for ubuntu development ;) | 18:51 |
| johnny | i'm not doing ubuntu development | 18:51 |
| johnny | not until they pay me for it :) | 18:51 |
| johnny | lol | 18:51 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, you try to fix ubuntu bugs , else i see no point that we discuss here atm | 18:51 |
| johnny | no, i try to fix upstream bugs | 18:52 |
| johnny | the ubuntu bugs are all upstream bugs | 18:52 |
| ogra_cmpc | obviously not | 18:52 |
| johnny | the ubuntu sabayon bugs i mean | 18:52 |
| ogra_cmpc | since that one is gvfs related and there are massive differences in ubuntus gvfs and upstream | 18:52 |
| ogra_cmpc | so thats cleqarly not an upsytream bug | 18:52 |
| * ogra_cmpc rips the y out of the classmate ke_board | 18:53 | |
| johnny | i'm working on sabayon , to ultimately be used on ubuntu systems obviously | 18:53 |
| johnny | but i don't use ubuntu on my desktop . only on my laptop | 18:53 |
| ogra_cmpc | that involves that it works with the mechnaisms used in ubuntu | 18:53 |
| johnny | only in the packaging of sabayon itself | 18:54 |
| ogra_cmpc | which is in case of gvfs different | 18:54 |
| johnny | i was just trying to undersstand how ubuntu does things so i can figure out where ubuntu has differences | 18:54 |
| ogra_cmpc | right | 18:55 |
| johnny | and mentioning to you why i'm having trouble doing anything useful with sabayon atm | 18:55 |
| johnny | and wondering if you had any insight | 18:55 |
| johnny | now i know | 18:55 |
| ogra_cmpc | i dont know how exactly we do gvfs but accoreding to your initial error it works very different here | 18:55 |
| ogra_cmpc | we dont have the mount you asked for ... | 18:56 |
| johnny | obviously :) | 18:56 |
| johnny | i mean it obviously works different than upstream | 18:56 |
| johnny | now i know somewhat how | 18:56 |
| johnny | now time to look at the deb.. | 18:56 |
| ogra_cmpc | but i can imagine that its similat to the fusecontrol fs we use for fuse | 18:56 |
| johnny | yeah, i didn't know about that :) | 18:56 |
| johnny | good to know tho | 18:57 |
| johnny | to clarify tho, the sabayon bugs in launchpad are all bugs that affect upstream | 18:57 |
| johnny | if they are specific to ubuntu, i will get them fixed for my deployed env as well | 18:57 |
| ogra_cmpc | the solution might be differnt though | 18:58 |
| johnny | as i am able | 18:58 |
| johnny | thus why i have a hardy and gutsy vm | 18:58 |
| dash192_ | Hey all, I'm thinking about writing a proposal for an edubuntu lab, what kind of thin clients should I be looking at? | 18:58 |
| ogra_cmpc | since you always have to see them in context to the system | 18:58 |
| johnny | ubuntu does so many mods, it takes awhile to grasp them all | 18:58 |
| ogra_cmpc | dash192_, something >= 500MHz, 128M .... preferably intel videocards | 18:59 |
| dash192_ | Does it matter what comes preloaded on them? | 18:59 |
| ogra_cmpc | no | 18:59 |
| dash192_ | (first time dealing with thin clients) | 18:59 |
| dash192_ | k | 18:59 |
| johnny | dash192_, preloaded how? | 18:59 |
| ogra_cmpc | thin clients dont need disks | 18:59 |
| johnny | on a flash thing? | 18:59 |
| dash192_ | Was reading about HP thin clients that come with HP connect or something | 19:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | good for other OSes :) as long as they can to PXE or etherboot you can ignore it | 19:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | no need for such stuff on ubuntu | 19:00 |
| johnny | or ltsp in general.. | 19:01 |
| ogra_cmpc | right | 19:01 |
| dash192_ | Ok | 19:01 |
| dash192_ | Cool | 19:01 |
| theunixgeek | Is it true Edubuntu is changing names to "ubuntu educational edition"? | 19:39 |
| LaserJock | I'm not quite sure where we are at with that | 19:40 |
| LaserJock | there has been some discussion about that | 19:41 |
| LaserJock | theunixgeek: do you have any opinions about a possible name change? | 19:41 |
| theunixgeek | LaserJock: not really :) | 19:42 |
| johnny | ogra_cmpc, the xnest issue is still outstanding for sabayon | 20:00 |
| johnny | in gnome-settings-daemon | 20:01 |
| johnny | bug is filed | 20:01 |
| johnny | responses made | 20:01 |
| johnny | turns out to be the keyboard plugin | 20:01 |
| johnny | i'm going to test the new release when it is uploaded | 20:01 |
| * johnny looks for a new video card | 20:11 | |
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