[02:38] <MotherLUG> Afternoon. Can any one recommend which release of edubuntu would be best for a stand alone desktop & what the minimum hardware specs required would be please.
[02:54] <HedgeMage> MotherLUG:  most current (gutsy 7.10) is the way to go :)  I am not sure what the stated requirements are, though.
[05:22] <gendrix> hello every one, ... i need help!
[05:24] <gendrix> i want to share an intenet connection from a modem to 3 lan cards, eth1, eth2, eth3. how to do it ?
[05:25] <johnny> there are various tutorials online about how to do so
[05:27] <gendrix> what kind of key word to search them ?
[05:28] <HedgeMage> gendrix:  linux router might be a good start
[05:32] <johnny> linux connection sharing
[05:44] <gendrix> thanx, i'll try to start searching
[05:51] <johnny> you will find good things..
[05:51] <johnny> it'd be cool to have a better gui for that
[05:52]  * johnny wishes networkmanager 0.7.0 comes out..
[05:52] <johnny> :(
[05:57] <gendrix> any gui way for gutsy?
[06:04] <SmytyThor> hey all... big crowd!
[06:06] <SmytyThor> quiet though... anybody home?
[06:07] <SmytyThor> well i guess it doesent matter so much...
[06:08] <SmytyThor> Anyway I'm looking for some good educational games for my kid, i just installed Edubuntu and i want to choose some packages to install for her
[06:08] <SmytyThor> she's 4.. and im looking for some fun games to get her practising using the computer. Any suggestions?
[09:19] <johnny> ogra, ogra_cmpc lemme know when you're about
[16:11] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, we need more apps :P ....
[16:11] <ogra_cmpc> our cd (while still including 200M windows software) is only 430M big atm
[16:11] <RichEd> hi ... as a user need / request or to fill up space
[16:12] <ogra_cmpc> i just rearranged all the seeds (should be near what we will have as final app set)
[16:12] <RichEd> ogra: well isn't that a pleasure compared to squeezing and jugggling you had to do before ?
[16:12] <ogra_cmpc> so currently edubuntu is only about 250M big
[16:12] <ogra_cmpc> indeed it is
[16:12] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[16:13] <RichEd> it's not like the users are missing out on stuff they had, it's jsut moved into the ubuntu guts
[16:13] <ogra_cmpc> i'm still unsure if we want to keep the winfoss software on there
[16:13] <RichEd> i think so if there is "unused space" ... it kind of shows we are prepared to accept and support any move towards open source ...
[16:14] <RichEd> and that may give us a potential convertee in time, and also shows we are not an all or nothing fanatical bunch
[16:14] <RichEd> like the boys in redmond
[16:14] <ogra_cmpc> well, we need to promote that then
[16:15] <ogra_cmpc> we had the software on that cd since it exists
[16:15] <ogra_cmpc> but it was never announced anywhere
[16:15] <Nubae> ok, I checked ps aux and nbdclient is running
[16:16] <Nubae> and the regular stuff is in /proc/mounts
[16:16] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, also have a look at the text here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20080225.1/ we should have something better than just being called "add-on CD" at the top
[16:17] <Nubae> i guess I better be specific...
[16:19] <RichEd> ogra: edubuntu 8.04 - ubuntu education add-on CD
[16:19] <ogra_cmpc> right
[16:19]  * ogra_cmpc notes that down
[16:20] <ogra_cmpc> not sure we should put the version in there
[16:20] <ogra_cmpc> its written at the top already
[16:21] <ogra_cmpc> seems somewhat redundant
[16:23] <RichEd> well that was the full name ... trim as appropriate for specific usage
[16:24] <ogra_cmpc> i think keep edubuntu 8.04 at the top and call it "ubuntu educational add-on CD" in the rest of the text
[16:31] <Nubae> http://pastebin.com/m1b9956a
[16:31] <Nubae> thats my /proc/mounts output
[16:31] <Nubae> and nbdclient is definetly running
[16:33] <ogra_cmpc> are you sure you didnt make any typos ?
[16:33] <ogra_cmpc> unionfs /root unionfs rw,dirs=/cow=rw:rofs=ro,debug=4294967295,delete=whiteout 0 0
[16:33] <ogra_cmpc> looks worng
[16:34] <ogra_cmpc> there should be a slash in front of rofs
[16:34] <ogra_cmpc> (that code didnt change since ages though, i would not know how you lost the slash)
[16:34] <Nubae> ah yes sorry there is
[16:34] <ogra_cmpc> ah, k
[16:35] <Nubae> its busybox so couldnt scp
[16:35] <Nubae> wrote down by hand
[16:35] <Nubae> :-)
[16:35] <ogra_cmpc> but there is definately no /rofs in the list
[16:35] <ogra_cmpc> there should be a moount using the nbd0 devie
[16:35] <ogra_cmpc> device
[16:36] <ogra_cmpc> can you try: mount -t squashfs /dev/nbd0 /rofs ?
[16:36] <ogra_cmpc> (inside the busybox)
[16:37] <ogra_cmpc> nbd-client ${NBD_ROOT_SERVER} ${NBD_ROOT_PORT} /dev/nbd0 && mount -o ro -t squashfs /dev/nbd0 /rofs
[16:37] <ogra_cmpc> thats the original command that mounts the squashfs
[16:37] <Nubae> on /rofs failed, invalid argument
[16:38] <ogra_cmpc> aha
[16:38] <ogra_cmpc> is /rofs existing
[16:38] <ogra_cmpc> and check if squashfs shows up in /proc/modules
[16:39] <Nubae> how is rofs normally created?
[16:39] <ogra_cmpc> in the line above the one i just pasted :)
[16:39] <Nubae> yes it exists
[16:40] <ogra_cmpc> and squashfs is in your modules list ?
[16:40] <Nubae> and yes it squashfs shows in /proc/modules
[16:40] <ogra_cmpc> weird
[16:41] <Nubae> well at least thats definetly what's failing
[16:41] <ogra_cmpc> and your nbd client actually uses the prot thats defined for the image ?
[16:41] <ogra_cmpc> *port
[16:42] <Nubae> how do I check from busybox?
[16:42] <ogra_cmpc> you said you see nbd-client in your processlist
[16:42] <ogra_cmpc> it should have the port there
[16:42] <Nubae> ok
[16:43] <ogra_cmpc> check that is matches the port defined in inetd.conf on the server
[16:43] <Nubae> it does
[16:43] <ogra_cmpc> i'm running out of ides
[16:43] <ogra_cmpc> *ideas
[16:44] <Nubae> isnt the issue with mounting to /rofs?
[16:45] <Nubae> why does it give failed, invalid argument?
[16:46] <ogra_cmpc> thats an error from ount
[16:46] <ogra_cmpc> mount
[16:47] <Nubae> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/10/22/%23edubuntu.txt - same issue here
[16:48] <Nubae> looks like its related to x64
[16:49] <ogra_cmpc> nope
[16:49] <ogra_cmpc>  "No such device" is a compeletly different thig
[16:49] <ogra_cmpc> thats failing a lot earlier than yours
[16:50] <ogra_cmpc> i guess that guy had set SERVER or any other weird thing in lts.conf
[16:50] <ogra_cmpc> he came from k12ltsp which needed lts.conf ... many people just blindly copy that over without noticing it will break
[16:51] <Nubae> and here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/06/21/%23edubuntu.txt
 seems like a bug in the ltsp-nbd script ...  from there
[16:52] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: hi, do you know of a good XML library for python I could use to easily edit/generate italc's config file ?
[16:52] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: that would need to be in main
[16:54] <ogra_cmpc> Nubae, that script didnt change since gutsy
[16:55] <Nubae> anyway, that was to do with nbdlcient not running
[16:55] <Nubae> so not it either
[16:56] <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, python-xml doesnt suffice ?
[16:56] <stgraber> well, it doesn't fit the "easy" point :)
[16:57] <ogra_cmpc> hmm
[16:57] <stgraber> last time I played with it I had to write like 5-6 extra functions to make it more or less easy to parse XML (and that was only a read only app :))
[16:57] <ogra_cmpc> probably doko could help
[16:57] <ogra_cmpc> i try to stay awqay from xml if i can :)
[16:58] <ogra_cmpc> (it usually has nothing to offer i cant do by a normal text file)
[16:59] <stgraber> yes and normal text file are easy to parse :) (with regexps of course)
[17:00] <stgraber> the idea is to create a LTSP classroom in italc instead of what I currently do which is to basically move the current config file away and generate a new one, then restore it when closing italc
[17:00] <stgraber> that way, one could use italc in a mixed environement (as I currently have in my test school)
[17:02] <Nubae> ogra... so the issue is with dev/nbd0 not mounting as squashfs?
[17:03] <Nubae> I dont have nbdswap running
[17:05] <ogra_cmpc> well, the issue seems to be with the squashfs module
[17:06] <sexyback> when i connect to wkstn via thin client manager it pops error "Unavailable (Install x11vnc on terminal) " - how do you do this
[17:06] <ogra_cmpc> there is a wikipage for that ... dont have the link nady atm
[17:06] <ogra_cmpc> *handy
[17:07] <Nubae> just chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install x11vnc
[17:07] <ogra_cmpc> Nubae, there a some more stuff involved
[17:07] <ogra_cmpc> s/a/is
[17:08] <Nubae> maybe in gutsy yeah
[17:08] <ogra_cmpc> since it exists
[17:08] <ogra_cmpc> x11vnc doesnt asdd any startup scripts
[17:09]  * ogra_cmpc takes a break now
[17:10] <Nubae> there's something about making sure resolv.conf is correct in the chroot too
[17:12] <sexyback> newbie here, what do you mean with resolv.conf
[17:13] <Nubae> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 nano /etc/resolv.conf and make sure u copy what is in /etc/resolv.conf
[17:13] <sexyback> what is chroot, is this root?
[17:14] <sexyback> also what is nano
[17:14] <Nubae> and do this chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 nano /etc/rc.local and add x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop -shared &
[17:15] <Nubae> chroot is like a virtual environment
[17:15] <Nubae> and nano is just an editor
[17:16] <Nubae> also, the full howto for the vnc stuff is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406220&highlight=edubuntu&page=2
[17:16] <sexyback> ok
[18:38] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, i'm in my hardy vm, and i don't see ~/.gvfs mounted , is there a reason for that?
[18:38] <ogra_cmpc> sexyback, you should rather use https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients ... the forums are way to confusing here
[18:39] <ogra_cmpc> johnny, how do you mean "mounted"
[18:39] <johnny> in mounts
[18:39] <johnny> err mount
[18:39] <ogra_cmpc> why should you see it there ?
[18:39] <johnny> because that's what i see in my other non ubuntu gnome 2.21 install?
[18:40] <ogra_cmpc> for each user ?
[18:40] <johnny> yes
[18:40] <ogra_cmpc> thats insane
[18:40] <johnny> it's fuse
[18:40] <johnny> gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/johnny/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=johnny)
[18:40] <ogra_cmpc> i dont have that here on my up to date hardy
[18:42] <ogra_cmpc> that looks like some extra thing
[18:42] <johnny> hmm.. well it's causing me an issue working with sabayon in my main development environement
[18:42] <johnny> i'm asking them now
[18:42] <ogra_cmpc> we dont even have gvfs-fuse-daemon
[18:43] <ogra_cmpc> look in /usr/lib/gvfs
[18:43] <ogra_cmpc> ogra@ceron:~/isos$ ps ax|grep gvfs
[18:43] <ogra_cmpc>  6014 ?        S      0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd
[18:43] <ogra_cmpc>  6025 ?        S      0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-burn --spawner :1.11 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/0
[18:43] <ogra_cmpc>  6032 ?        S      1:36 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.11 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/1
[18:44] <ogra_cmpc> thats how it looks on my machine
[18:44] <ogra_cmpc> i think that daemon is some addon thing or so
[18:44] <johnny> nome-base/gvfs-0.1.7 (/usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon)
[18:44] <ogra_cmpc> libexec?????
[18:44] <johnny> it comes with gvfs is all i'm saying
[18:44] <ogra_cmpc> surely nothing thats even remotely debian/ubuntu related
[18:44] <johnny> it's not an addon outside of the gvfs package
[18:46] <ogra_cmpc> ogra@ceron:~/isos$ dpkg -l gvfs-backends|grep ii
[18:46] <ogra_cmpc> ii  gvfs-backends                              0.1.7-0ubuntu5                      userspace virtual filesystem - backends
[18:46] <johnny> aha, guess you don't compile it with the fuse --configure flag
[18:46] <johnny> it seems like a useful feature
[18:47] <ogra_cmpc> why?
[18:47] <ogra_cmpc> it defaults to use fuse for everything anyway
[18:47] <ogra_cmpc> why should we build an extra daemon for that
[18:48] <ogra_cmpc> i dont think you can even remotely compare redhat to ubuntu here
[18:48] <johnny> oh.. it's enabled by default.. so that's not it
[18:48] <ogra_cmpc> we handle fuse totally differently, i assume the mount you see resembles what we use in the fuse module itself
[18:49] <johnny> redhat?
[18:49] <johnny> i'm using upstream source with no patches
[18:49] <ogra_cmpc> well, that weird libexec path indicated that
[18:49] <ogra_cmpc> debian based systems dont have that
[18:50] <ogra_cmpc> and i'm pretty sure you cant compare p
[18:50] <ogra_cmpc> lain upstream to ubuntu either
[18:50] <ogra_cmpc> else we wuldnt have to pay seb128 for integrating upstream stuff to match the ubuntu setup
[18:50] <ogra_cmpc> ;)
[18:51] <ogra_cmpc> i'd suggest to use ubuntu for ubuntu development ;)
[18:51] <johnny> i'm not doing ubuntu development
[18:51] <johnny> not until they pay me for it :)
[18:51] <johnny> lol
[18:51] <ogra_cmpc> well, you try to fix ubuntu bugs , else i see no point that we discuss here atm
[18:52] <johnny> no, i try to fix upstream bugs
[18:52] <johnny> the ubuntu bugs are all upstream bugs
[18:52] <ogra_cmpc> obviously not
[18:52] <johnny> the ubuntu sabayon bugs i mean
[18:52] <ogra_cmpc> since that one is gvfs related and there are massive differences in ubuntus gvfs and upstream
[18:52] <ogra_cmpc> so thats cleqarly not an upsytream bug
[18:53]  * ogra_cmpc rips the y out of the classmate ke_board
[18:53] <johnny> i'm working on sabayon , to ultimately be used on ubuntu systems obviously
[18:53] <johnny> but i don't use ubuntu on my desktop . only on my laptop
[18:53] <ogra_cmpc> that involves that it works with the mechnaisms used in ubuntu
[18:54] <johnny> only in the packaging of sabayon itself
[18:54] <ogra_cmpc> which is in case of gvfs different
[18:54] <johnny> i was just trying to undersstand how ubuntu does things so i can figure out where ubuntu has differences
[18:55] <ogra_cmpc> right
[18:55] <johnny> and mentioning to you why i'm having trouble doing anything useful with sabayon atm
[18:55] <johnny> and wondering if you had any insight
[18:55] <johnny> now i know
[18:55] <ogra_cmpc> i dont know how exactly we do gvfs but accoreding to your initial error it works very different here
[18:56] <ogra_cmpc> we dont have the mount you asked for ...
[18:56] <johnny> obviously :)
[18:56] <johnny> i mean it obviously works different than upstream
[18:56] <johnny> now i know somewhat how
[18:56] <johnny> now time to look at the deb..
[18:56] <ogra_cmpc> but i can imagine that its similat to the fusecontrol fs we use for fuse
[18:56] <johnny> yeah, i didn't know about that :)
[18:57] <johnny> good to know tho
[18:57] <johnny> to clarify tho, the sabayon bugs in launchpad are all bugs that affect upstream
[18:57] <johnny> if they are specific to ubuntu, i will get them fixed for my deployed env as well
[18:58] <ogra_cmpc> the solution might be differnt though
[18:58] <johnny> as i am able
[18:58] <johnny> thus why i have a hardy and gutsy vm
[18:58] <dash192_> Hey all, I'm thinking about writing a proposal for an edubuntu lab, what kind of thin clients should I be looking at?
[18:58] <ogra_cmpc> since you always have to see them in context to the system
[18:58] <johnny> ubuntu does so many mods, it takes awhile to grasp them all
[18:59] <ogra_cmpc> dash192_, something >= 500MHz, 128M .... preferably intel videocards
[18:59] <dash192_> Does it matter what comes preloaded on them?
[18:59] <ogra_cmpc> no
[18:59] <dash192_> (first time dealing with thin clients)
[18:59] <dash192_> k
[18:59] <johnny> dash192_, preloaded how?
[18:59] <ogra_cmpc> thin clients dont need disks
[18:59] <johnny> on a flash thing?
[19:00] <dash192_> Was reading about HP thin clients that come with HP connect or something
[19:00] <ogra_cmpc> good for other OSes :) as long as they can to PXE or etherboot you can ignore it
[19:00] <ogra_cmpc> no need for such stuff on ubuntu
[19:01] <johnny> or ltsp in general..
[19:01] <ogra_cmpc> right
[19:01] <dash192_> Ok
[19:01] <dash192_> Cool
[19:39] <theunixgeek> Is it true Edubuntu is changing names to "ubuntu educational edition"?
[19:40] <LaserJock> I'm not quite sure where we are at with that
[19:41] <LaserJock> there has been some discussion about that
[19:41] <LaserJock> theunixgeek: do you have any opinions about a possible name change?
[19:42] <theunixgeek> LaserJock: not really :)
[20:00] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, the xnest issue is still outstanding for sabayon
[20:01] <johnny> in gnome-settings-daemon
[20:01] <johnny> bug is filed
[20:01] <johnny> responses made
[20:01] <johnny> turns out to be the keyboard plugin
[20:01] <johnny> i'm going to test the new release when it is uploaded
[20:11]  * johnny looks for a new video card