[02:38] Afternoon. Can any one recommend which release of edubuntu would be best for a stand alone desktop & what the minimum hardware specs required would be please. [02:54] MotherLUG: most current (gutsy 7.10) is the way to go :) I am not sure what the stated requirements are, though. [05:22] hello every one, ... i need help! [05:24] i want to share an intenet connection from a modem to 3 lan cards, eth1, eth2, eth3. how to do it ? [05:25] there are various tutorials online about how to do so [05:27] what kind of key word to search them ? [05:28] gendrix: linux router might be a good start [05:32] linux connection sharing [05:44] thanx, i'll try to start searching [05:51] you will find good things.. [05:51] it'd be cool to have a better gui for that [05:52] * johnny wishes networkmanager 0.7.0 comes out.. [05:52] :( [05:57] any gui way for gutsy? [06:04] hey all... big crowd! [06:06] quiet though... anybody home? [06:07] well i guess it doesent matter so much... [06:08] Anyway I'm looking for some good educational games for my kid, i just installed Edubuntu and i want to choose some packages to install for her [06:08] she's 4.. and im looking for some fun games to get her practising using the computer. Any suggestions? [09:19] ogra, ogra_cmpc lemme know when you're about [16:11] RichEd, we need more apps :P .... [16:11] our cd (while still including 200M windows software) is only 430M big atm [16:11] hi ... as a user need / request or to fill up space [16:12] i just rearranged all the seeds (should be near what we will have as final app set) [16:12] ogra: well isn't that a pleasure compared to squeezing and jugggling you had to do before ? [16:12] so currently edubuntu is only about 250M big [16:12] indeed it is [16:12] :) [16:13] it's not like the users are missing out on stuff they had, it's jsut moved into the ubuntu guts [16:13] i'm still unsure if we want to keep the winfoss software on there [16:13] i think so if there is "unused space" ... it kind of shows we are prepared to accept and support any move towards open source ... [16:14] and that may give us a potential convertee in time, and also shows we are not an all or nothing fanatical bunch [16:14] like the boys in redmond [16:14] well, we need to promote that then [16:15] we had the software on that cd since it exists [16:15] but it was never announced anywhere [16:15] ok, I checked ps aux and nbdclient is running [16:16] and the regular stuff is in /proc/mounts [16:16] RichEd, also have a look at the text here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20080225.1/ we should have something better than just being called "add-on CD" at the top [16:17] i guess I better be specific... [16:19] ogra: edubuntu 8.04 - ubuntu education add-on CD [16:19] right [16:19] * ogra_cmpc notes that down [16:20] not sure we should put the version in there [16:20] its written at the top already [16:21] seems somewhat redundant [16:23] well that was the full name ... trim as appropriate for specific usage [16:24] i think keep edubuntu 8.04 at the top and call it "ubuntu educational add-on CD" in the rest of the text [16:31] http://pastebin.com/m1b9956a [16:31] thats my /proc/mounts output [16:31] and nbdclient is definetly running [16:33] are you sure you didnt make any typos ? [16:33] unionfs /root unionfs rw,dirs=/cow=rw:rofs=ro,debug=4294967295,delete=whiteout 0 0 [16:33] looks worng [16:34] there should be a slash in front of rofs [16:34] (that code didnt change since ages though, i would not know how you lost the slash) [16:34] ah yes sorry there is [16:34] ah, k [16:35] its busybox so couldnt scp [16:35] wrote down by hand [16:35] :-) [16:35] but there is definately no /rofs in the list [16:35] there should be a moount using the nbd0 devie [16:35] device [16:36] can you try: mount -t squashfs /dev/nbd0 /rofs ? [16:36] (inside the busybox) [16:37] nbd-client ${NBD_ROOT_SERVER} ${NBD_ROOT_PORT} /dev/nbd0 && mount -o ro -t squashfs /dev/nbd0 /rofs [16:37] thats the original command that mounts the squashfs [16:37] on /rofs failed, invalid argument [16:38] aha [16:38] is /rofs existing [16:38] and check if squashfs shows up in /proc/modules [16:39] how is rofs normally created? [16:39] in the line above the one i just pasted :) [16:39] yes it exists [16:40] and squashfs is in your modules list ? [16:40] and yes it squashfs shows in /proc/modules [16:40] weird [16:41] well at least thats definetly what's failing [16:41] and your nbd client actually uses the prot thats defined for the image ? [16:41] *port [16:42] how do I check from busybox? [16:42] you said you see nbd-client in your processlist [16:42] it should have the port there [16:42] ok [16:43] check that is matches the port defined in inetd.conf on the server [16:43] it does [16:43] i'm running out of ides [16:43] *ideas [16:44] isnt the issue with mounting to /rofs? [16:45] why does it give failed, invalid argument? [16:46] thats an error from ount [16:46] mount [16:47] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/10/22/%23edubuntu.txt - same issue here [16:48] looks like its related to x64 [16:49] nope [16:49] "No such device" is a compeletly different thig [16:49] thats failing a lot earlier than yours [16:50] i guess that guy had set SERVER or any other weird thing in lts.conf [16:50] he came from k12ltsp which needed lts.conf ... many people just blindly copy that over without noticing it will break [16:51] and here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/06/21/%23edubuntu.txt [16:52] seems like a bug in the ltsp-nbd script ... from there [16:52] ogra_cmpc: hi, do you know of a good XML library for python I could use to easily edit/generate italc's config file ? [16:52] ogra_cmpc: that would need to be in main [16:54] Nubae, that script didnt change since gutsy [16:55] anyway, that was to do with nbdlcient not running [16:55] so not it either [16:56] stgraber, python-xml doesnt suffice ? [16:56] well, it doesn't fit the "easy" point :) [16:57] hmm [16:57] last time I played with it I had to write like 5-6 extra functions to make it more or less easy to parse XML (and that was only a read only app :)) [16:57] probably doko could help [16:57] i try to stay awqay from xml if i can :) [16:58] (it usually has nothing to offer i cant do by a normal text file) [16:59] yes and normal text file are easy to parse :) (with regexps of course) [17:00] the idea is to create a LTSP classroom in italc instead of what I currently do which is to basically move the current config file away and generate a new one, then restore it when closing italc [17:00] that way, one could use italc in a mixed environement (as I currently have in my test school) [17:02] ogra... so the issue is with dev/nbd0 not mounting as squashfs? [17:03] I dont have nbdswap running [17:05] well, the issue seems to be with the squashfs module [17:06] when i connect to wkstn via thin client manager it pops error "Unavailable (Install x11vnc on terminal) " - how do you do this [17:06] there is a wikipage for that ... dont have the link nady atm [17:06] *handy [17:07] just chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install x11vnc [17:07] Nubae, there a some more stuff involved [17:07] s/a/is [17:08] maybe in gutsy yeah [17:08] since it exists [17:08] x11vnc doesnt asdd any startup scripts [17:09] * ogra_cmpc takes a break now [17:10] there's something about making sure resolv.conf is correct in the chroot too [17:12] newbie here, what do you mean with resolv.conf [17:13] chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 nano /etc/resolv.conf and make sure u copy what is in /etc/resolv.conf [17:13] what is chroot, is this root? [17:14] also what is nano [17:14] and do this chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 nano /etc/rc.local and add x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop -shared & [17:15] chroot is like a virtual environment [17:15] and nano is just an editor [17:16] also, the full howto for the vnc stuff is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406220&highlight=edubuntu&page=2 [17:16] ok [18:38] ogra_cmpc, i'm in my hardy vm, and i don't see ~/.gvfs mounted , is there a reason for that? [18:38] sexyback, you should rather use https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients ... the forums are way to confusing here [18:39] johnny, how do you mean "mounted" [18:39] in mounts [18:39] err mount [18:39] why should you see it there ? [18:39] because that's what i see in my other non ubuntu gnome 2.21 install? [18:40] for each user ? [18:40] yes [18:40] thats insane [18:40] it's fuse [18:40] gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/johnny/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=johnny) [18:40] i dont have that here on my up to date hardy [18:42] that looks like some extra thing [18:42] hmm.. well it's causing me an issue working with sabayon in my main development environement [18:42] i'm asking them now [18:42] we dont even have gvfs-fuse-daemon [18:43] look in /usr/lib/gvfs [18:43] ogra@ceron:~/isos$ ps ax|grep gvfs [18:43] 6014 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd [18:43] 6025 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-burn --spawner :1.11 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/0 [18:43] 6032 ? S 1:36 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.11 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/1 [18:44] thats how it looks on my machine [18:44] i think that daemon is some addon thing or so [18:44] nome-base/gvfs-0.1.7 (/usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon) [18:44] libexec????? [18:44] it comes with gvfs is all i'm saying [18:44] surely nothing thats even remotely debian/ubuntu related [18:44] it's not an addon outside of the gvfs package [18:46] ogra@ceron:~/isos$ dpkg -l gvfs-backends|grep ii [18:46] ii gvfs-backends 0.1.7-0ubuntu5 userspace virtual filesystem - backends [18:46] aha, guess you don't compile it with the fuse --configure flag [18:46] it seems like a useful feature [18:47] why? [18:47] it defaults to use fuse for everything anyway [18:47] why should we build an extra daemon for that [18:48] i dont think you can even remotely compare redhat to ubuntu here [18:48] oh.. it's enabled by default.. so that's not it [18:48] we handle fuse totally differently, i assume the mount you see resembles what we use in the fuse module itself [18:49] redhat? [18:49] i'm using upstream source with no patches [18:49] well, that weird libexec path indicated that [18:49] debian based systems dont have that [18:50] and i'm pretty sure you cant compare p [18:50] lain upstream to ubuntu either [18:50] else we wuldnt have to pay seb128 for integrating upstream stuff to match the ubuntu setup [18:50] ;) [18:51] i'd suggest to use ubuntu for ubuntu development ;) [18:51] i'm not doing ubuntu development [18:51] not until they pay me for it :) [18:51] lol [18:51] well, you try to fix ubuntu bugs , else i see no point that we discuss here atm [18:52] no, i try to fix upstream bugs [18:52] the ubuntu bugs are all upstream bugs [18:52] obviously not [18:52] the ubuntu sabayon bugs i mean [18:52] since that one is gvfs related and there are massive differences in ubuntus gvfs and upstream [18:52] so thats cleqarly not an upsytream bug [18:53] * ogra_cmpc rips the y out of the classmate ke_board [18:53] i'm working on sabayon , to ultimately be used on ubuntu systems obviously [18:53] but i don't use ubuntu on my desktop . only on my laptop [18:53] that involves that it works with the mechnaisms used in ubuntu [18:54] only in the packaging of sabayon itself [18:54] which is in case of gvfs different [18:54] i was just trying to undersstand how ubuntu does things so i can figure out where ubuntu has differences [18:55] right [18:55] and mentioning to you why i'm having trouble doing anything useful with sabayon atm [18:55] and wondering if you had any insight [18:55] now i know [18:55] i dont know how exactly we do gvfs but accoreding to your initial error it works very different here [18:56] we dont have the mount you asked for ... [18:56] obviously :) [18:56] i mean it obviously works different than upstream [18:56] now i know somewhat how [18:56] now time to look at the deb.. [18:56] but i can imagine that its similat to the fusecontrol fs we use for fuse [18:56] yeah, i didn't know about that :) [18:57] good to know tho [18:57] to clarify tho, the sabayon bugs in launchpad are all bugs that affect upstream [18:57] if they are specific to ubuntu, i will get them fixed for my deployed env as well [18:58] the solution might be differnt though [18:58] as i am able [18:58] thus why i have a hardy and gutsy vm [18:58] Hey all, I'm thinking about writing a proposal for an edubuntu lab, what kind of thin clients should I be looking at? [18:58] since you always have to see them in context to the system [18:58] ubuntu does so many mods, it takes awhile to grasp them all [18:59] dash192_, something >= 500MHz, 128M .... preferably intel videocards [18:59] Does it matter what comes preloaded on them? [18:59] no [18:59] (first time dealing with thin clients) [18:59] k [18:59] dash192_, preloaded how? [18:59] thin clients dont need disks [18:59] on a flash thing? [19:00] Was reading about HP thin clients that come with HP connect or something [19:00] good for other OSes :) as long as they can to PXE or etherboot you can ignore it [19:00] no need for such stuff on ubuntu [19:01] or ltsp in general.. [19:01] right [19:01] Ok [19:01] Cool [19:39] Is it true Edubuntu is changing names to "ubuntu educational edition"? [19:40] I'm not quite sure where we are at with that [19:41] there has been some discussion about that [19:41] theunixgeek: do you have any opinions about a possible name change? [19:42] LaserJock: not really :) [20:00] ogra_cmpc, the xnest issue is still outstanding for sabayon [20:01] in gnome-settings-daemon [20:01] bug is filed [20:01] responses made [20:01] turns out to be the keyboard plugin [20:01] i'm going to test the new release when it is uploaded [20:11] * johnny looks for a new video card