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| johnny | ogra_cmpc, i bet you dont have gvfs-fuse installed | 06:01 |
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| johnny | that is the difference prolly.. | 06:01 |
| achandrashekar | Hey johnny | 07:40 |
| achandrashekar | johnny: do you have any time avaliable to answer some q's about desktop lock down | 07:43 |
| === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth | ||
| === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth | ||
| coolio | iii | 10:04 |
| achandrashekar | hello...any one have any recommendations for thin clients? | 10:05 |
| achandrashekar | specifically how are the entc-1000 | 10:06 |
| allerbest | Hi. | 10:11 |
| ogra_cmpc | achandrashekar, entc-1000 ? | 10:11 |
| allerbest | I've got a problem installing edubuntu 7.10 on a brand-new server (should be LTSP server) | 10:12 |
| achandrashekar | i looked on ebay for the ent stuff | 10:12 |
| achandrashekar | and it seemed like a good alternative | 10:12 |
| achandrashekar | allerbest: need more description of issue | 10:12 |
| allerbest | Installation works fine until I should pick a module for my drives since the installer complains that none are found. | 10:12 |
| achandrashekar | which module? | 10:13 |
| allerbest | I've got 2x SATA drives on an Areca 1200 PCIe controller | 10:13 |
| ogra_cmpc | achandrashekar, specs ? | 10:13 |
| allerbest | achandrashekar: it should be the arcmsr module, I think, but loading doesn't affect anything. | 10:13 |
| achandrashekar | allerbest: and it doesnt find your drives? | 10:13 |
| * ogra_cmpc wonders if that shouldnt just be covered by the ahci module | 10:14 | |
| allerbest | the module is loaded but there are no /dev/sda...-devices | 10:14 |
| achandrashekar | ograc_cmpc: runs the cryix processor and 64mb of ram. I "think" its pxe bootable..but i was wondering if there was one that people are happy with in here | 10:15 |
| ogra_cmpc | allerbest, #ubuntu-installer or #ubuntu-kernel has the more specific guys for such a prob :) | 10:15 |
| allerbest | ah, thanks :) | 10:15 |
| achandrashekar | allerbest: and there is nothing in bios to make sure the drives are properly initialiazed and such?? | 10:16 |
| achandrashekar | allerbest: meaning..with an other operating system everything was "found" | 10:16 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, you can likely switch the controller to a different mode in the bios | 10:17 |
| allerbest | achandrashekar: I initialized a "RAID set" and within that a RAID 1 "Volume Set" | 10:17 |
| allerbest | ogra_cmpc: Nope, it's a true hardware RAID controller | 10:17 |
| allerbest | achandrashekar: I have no other operating system (besides a Debian 4.0 CD) | 10:17 |
| allerbest | (which has the same problem) | 10:18 |
| ogra_cmpc | allerbest, well, probably one that doesnt offer linux support | 10:18 |
| ogra_cmpc | might be that software raid is your best bet | 10:18 |
| achandrashekar | allerbest: does debian find them?? i cant think that it would | 10:18 |
| achandrashekar | but you never know | 10:18 |
| allerbest | as I said, Debian doesn't find it, too. | 10:19 |
| allerbest | The card has Linux support, Areca offers drivers for it | 10:19 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, its more likely that ubuntu finds something debianh doesnt (we use the same kernel, but ubuntu adds lots of extras) | 10:19 |
| achandrashekar | allerbest: yep you are right - http://www.areca.com.tw/products/2ports.htm | 10:20 |
| ogra_cmpc | the kernel guys will know about it | 10:21 |
| ogra_cmpc | its just not a good time to awsk them, most of that team is in the us | 10:21 |
| ogra_cmpc | so they are likely asleep | 10:21 |
| allerbest | Merde ... | 10:21 |
| allerbest | thanks anyway | 10:21 |
| * allerbest is sitting in the lab room of the school where the server should be ready %-) | 10:21 | |
| ogra_cmpc | well, ask there anyway | 10:22 |
| ogra_cmpc | allerbest, use SW raid :) | 10:22 |
| allerbest | ogra_cmpc: Nope, sorry. Too many bad experiences. Not fast enough. | 10:22 |
| ogra_cmpc | really ? | 10:22 |
| allerbest | BTDT. | 10:22 |
| allerbest | Really. | 10:23 |
| ogra_cmpc | i've seen th eopposite mant times | 10:23 |
| ogra_cmpc | *many | 10:23 |
| johnny | achandrashekar, hi | 10:23 |
| allerbest | I had software raid with Debian 4 in our company running on half a dozen machines. | 10:23 |
| achandrashekar | hey how are you | 10:23 |
| johnny | going to sleep shorty | 10:23 |
| johnny | shortly* | 10:23 |
| johnny | it's 5:30 almost | 10:23 |
| achandrashekar | same here | 10:23 |
| achandrashekar | i got friggin bored | 10:24 |
| achandrashekar | again | 10:24 |
| achandrashekar | :) | 10:24 |
| achandrashekar | allerbest: might help out - http://hell.org.ua/Docs/sata.html | 10:25 |
| achandrashekar | not sure if you can use that but..it might work?? | 10:25 |
| johnny | so, did you want something ? | 10:26 |
| ogra_cmpc | achandrashekar, so do you have a webpage or so for that client ? | 10:26 |
| allerbest | the page describes the arcmsr driver that's not working :) | 10:26 |
| achandrashekar | ogra_cmpc: he he ebay.com ---search criteria "thin client Linux" comes up those.. | 10:27 |
| achandrashekar | ENT | 10:27 |
| ogra_cmpc | hmm | 10:27 |
| achandrashekar | allerbest: with the ftp site...and the driver..i guess that is where you grabbed it from? | 10:28 |
| ogra_cmpc | i'm just worried its a ripoff of the ebox 1000 .... which looks shiny and small but is one of the worst clients i know | 10:28 |
| achandrashekar | ha ha | 10:28 |
| achandrashekar | okay | 10:28 |
| ogra_cmpc | they are out in the field fo $99 | 10:28 |
| ogra_cmpc | (new) | 10:28 |
| achandrashekar | is there a decent one that people have had luck with > | 10:28 |
| achandrashekar | ? | 10:28 |
| allerbest | achandrashekar: I didn't grab it from there since the arcmsr module is offered by the edubuntu installer to me. | 10:29 |
| ogra_cmpc | look at disklessworkstations.com everything but the cheapest one is fine | 10:29 |
| achandrashekar | cool will do | 10:29 |
| ogra_cmpc | (the chepest is one of these ebox ripoffs, if you see such a pic in an offer, run boy run :) ) | 10:29 |
| achandrashekar | johnny: yeah..i started playing with gconf-editor...very very dangerous..i changed desktop background to "locked" mode and had a tough time "undoing" it. | 10:30 |
| ogra_cmpc | they are great for kiosk systems that run a single app locally (a presentation etc) | 10:30 |
| achandrashekar | johnny: that was on my own laptop | 10:30 |
| ogra_cmpc | but nothing for fully fledged desktops | 10:30 |
| johnny | try it as another usr :) | 10:30 |
| johnny | gconf-editor is not to be used directy for the most part | 10:31 |
| achandrashekar | ogra_cmpc: thanks | 10:31 |
| johnny | sabayon is supposed to handle it | 10:31 |
| johnny | and pessulus | 10:31 |
| achandrashekar | sabayon allows the desktop background NOT to be changed? | 10:31 |
| achandrashekar | i mean that is an option? | 10:32 |
| johnny | it could be | 10:32 |
| ogra_cmpc | i think pessulus does | 10:32 |
| ogra_cmpc | not sure thoough i didnt look at it for a while | 10:32 |
| johnny | i don't think it works right now | 10:32 |
| achandrashekar | no option in pessulus | 10:32 |
| johnny | working on it tho | 10:32 |
| johnny | it's a few steps down on the priority list | 10:32 |
| johnny | the main priority is to stop some of the annoying crashes | 10:33 |
| achandrashekar | but in sabayon ill have to see what is going on with that | 10:33 |
| johnny | and make panel applets able to be deleted | 10:33 |
| johnny | or modified | 10:33 |
| achandrashekar | nice thing is..i have that dhcp-failover working like a charm | 10:33 |
| achandrashekar | systems coming up from each server....load balanced | 10:34 |
| achandrashekar | :) | 10:34 |
| achandrashekar | and authing with ldap now.. | 10:34 |
| achandrashekar | i think something like phpldapadmin will work great to build the tree properly. | 10:34 |
| achandrashekar | but..i havent worked on it much...because i like sleep. :) | 10:35 |
| achandrashekar | im really concerned about account management next..and lock down. | 10:35 |
| achandrashekar | then ill probably be where your at johnny with getting "details" all worked out. | 10:35 |
| johnny | the lock down is weak in some senses , it needs to hack around some standard utilities | 10:36 |
| johnny | i'm only focusing on the ones i need to worrry about atm | 10:36 |
| johnny | am willing to do other things | 10:36 |
| johnny | that's just what i've been focusing on up to this point | 10:36 |
| johnny | and just making the damn thing ready for hardy | 10:36 |
| achandrashekar | i see. | 10:37 |
| achandrashekar | I figure..this..if i setup accounts..and kids want to piss around and f up their workspace so be it..at least its just their account. | 10:38 |
| achandrashekar | the issue before was the kids were all using the SAME account on winblows | 10:40 |
| achandrashekar | and they f'd the whole env up with trojans and viruses and inappropriate desktop backgrounds | 10:40 |
| achandrashekar | but i really cant justify putting the systems in kiosk mode or something like that | 10:40 |
| achandrashekar | what I am considering..is that maybe using a script that cleans up their account every friday or something. | 10:40 |
| johnny | thaths what i do | 10:40 |
| johnny | ever night | 10:40 |
| johnny | actually | 10:40 |
| johnny | these are completely public | 10:40 |
| johnny | completely anonymous mode | 10:40 |
| johnny | no user accounts except the machines themselves | 10:40 |
| johnny | by name | 10:41 |
| achandrashekar | ahhh...and is that easier to manage for you? | 10:41 |
| johnny | well, we haven't had the ability to offer accounts to our regulars | 10:41 |
| achandrashekar | so in dhcp.conf you have each machine accounted for? | 10:41 |
| johnny | but it is something i'd like to provide | 10:41 |
| johnny | we have some homeless folks who like to use your internet | 10:41 |
| johnny | err | 10:41 |
| johnny | s/your/our/ | 10:41 |
| johnny | i'd like to give at least one of them an account if he needs it | 10:42 |
| achandrashekar | i see. | 10:42 |
| johnny | or any folks who are working on team projects with other community members | 10:42 |
| achandrashekar | so how did you get the anonymous accounts working | 10:42 |
| johnny | autologin with a patched ldm (fixed in hardy) | 10:42 |
| achandrashekar | just curious in case we decide that is the best course of action | 10:42 |
| johnny | the upstream ldm actually has a guest login patch | 10:43 |
| johnny | so you get the benefits of anonymous login or user account | 10:43 |
| johnny | right at the beginning | 10:43 |
| achandrashekar | i see. ..and that "patch" is documented as well somewhere? | 10:43 |
| johnny | definitely something i'm going to apply | 10:43 |
| johnny | uhmm.. it's in the revision control system? :) | 10:43 |
| johnny | i haven't actually looked at it yet | 10:44 |
| johnny | was planning on doing that soon | 10:44 |
| achandrashekar | and the home space is shared ?? how does that working when saving things? | 10:44 |
| johnny | i wasn't rushing, as the current setup is fine | 10:44 |
| johnny | sure, atm it is | 10:44 |
| johnny | i mean it's only shared by the computer | 10:44 |
| johnny | the python based ldm had a patch too i used :) | 10:44 |
| johnny | where you could do something like this | 10:45 |
| johnny | LDM_USERNAME=`hostname` | 10:45 |
| johnny | in lts.conf | 10:45 |
| johnny | and then i did LDM_PASSWORD="guest" | 10:45 |
| ogra_cmpc | hardys has that too :) | 10:45 |
| achandrashekar | ahh okay | 10:45 |
| ogra_cmpc | hardys also has the abiliyt to authenticate users with ssh keys | 10:45 |
| johnny | and then setup dnsmasq to assign ips and hostnames | 10:45 |
| johnny | based on the mac address | 10:46 |
| achandrashekar | hardy seems like its going to kick ass...once released | 10:46 |
| johnny | achandrashekar, it's never enough for me :) | 10:46 |
| johnny | it still needs localapps | 10:46 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, its actually not much more than gutsy ... but tons of fixes and improvements | 10:46 |
| johnny | ogra_cmpc, i'm actually trying to get a fellow i know to help me with that | 10:46 |
| achandrashekar | i saw some features with gimp like image extraction that i was really impressed with as well.. | 10:46 |
| ogra_cmpc | johnny, you can do localapps easily yourself with an sshd running on the client and nfs mounted /home fromj the server | 10:47 |
| johnny | ? | 10:47 |
| ogra_cmpc | (you need to copy the credential files around all teh time though ...) | 10:47 |
| johnny | uhmm.. | 10:47 |
| achandrashekar | alright guys i need some z's | 10:48 |
| johnny | i only want to run firefox/flash locally | 10:48 |
| johnny | for now.. | 10:48 |
| ogra_cmpc | install sshd in the client, add some code to permanently mount /home and have passwd and groups available | 10:48 |
| johnny | and at most.. ekiga/skype and such | 10:48 |
| ogra_cmpc | ssh -X user@clientip firefox .... | 10:48 |
| ogra_cmpc | that will then run ff as localapp | 10:48 |
| achandrashekar | and use ssh keys?? | 10:48 |
| achandrashekar | or ? | 10:48 |
| johnny | sure, but that isn't in the spec :) | 10:48 |
| ogra_cmpc | its not secure and a lot of maintanance work, but works | 10:48 |
| johnny | i'm talking about actually implementing the spec | 10:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | ahhh | 10:49 |
| johnny | not a hack :) | 10:49 |
| johnny | as long as you think it is a valid technique | 10:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, i'm trying to keep away from it until sbalneav is back | 10:49 |
| johnny | trading emails with him? | 10:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | its his brainchild .... | 10:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | nope | 10:49 |
| achandrashekar | goodnight | 10:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | i just know he's very busy at work | 10:49 |
| johnny | hmm..well he can't stall devel forever | 10:49 |
| achandrashekar | thanks for all the help | 10:50 |
| ogra_cmpc | achandrashekar, see you :) | 10:50 |
| johnny | it should be ready for hardy+1 | 10:50 |
| johnny | or wait.. it has a name now | 10:50 |
| johnny | something ibex.. | 10:50 |
| ogra_cmpc | i'll put time into it for hardy+1 | 10:50 |
| ogra_cmpc | intrepid | 10:50 |
| johnny | so.. are you feeling hardy :) and will you feel inteprid? | 10:51 |
| johnny | and have you ever felt feisty? | 10:51 |
| johnny | hehe | 10:51 |
| johnny | ogra_cmpc, lemme guess you don't have gvfs-fuse installed? | 10:52 |
| ogra_cmpc | we dont have such a package | 10:52 |
| johnny | the deb talks about it | 10:52 |
| johnny | so i think debian has it at least | 10:53 |
| ogra_cmpc | oh, right | 10:53 |
| ogra_cmpc | there is such a pkg | 10:53 |
| johnny | but .. you dont have it installed? :) | 10:53 |
| ogra_cmpc | nope | 10:54 |
| johnny | if you did, you mayvb get my issue.. i'll verify later when i wake up | 10:54 |
| johnny | i'm meeting with federico sometime later .. around 1700 GMT | 10:56 |
| johnny | i'll let you know what we come up with | 10:57 |
| ogra_cmpc | thanks :) | 10:58 |
| johnny | i think the major things to fix are the panel applet issues | 10:59 |
| johnny | and the gnome-settings-daemon issue | 11:00 |
| johnny | but i don't know C | 11:00 |
| johnny | the bug is registered | 11:00 |
| johnny | the gnome-settings-daemon issue stops sabayon from working cleanly at all | 11:00 |
| johnny | i'll see if federico can do the proper gdb magic to diagnose it | 11:00 |
| johnny | but i'm doubting that it will be fixed otherwise for 2.22.0 | 11:01 |
| ogra_cmpc | btw, seb128 just told me he wants gvfs-fuse in the default install | 11:03 |
| johnny | this, and the linked bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516318 | 11:04 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 516318 in plugins "crash when run inside xnest (media keys plugin)" [Normal,Needinfo] | 11:04 |
| johnny | that was marked as duplicate | 11:04 |
| johnny | i prolly should change the summary | 11:04 |
| johnny | but that will wait til ater | 11:04 |
| johnny | night ogra | 11:04 |
| johnny | i'll see if i see the mounted ~/.gvfs after installing it | 11:04 |
| johnny | for every user | 11:05 |
| johnny | ok.. really leaving now | 11:05 |
| ogra_cmpc | ciao | 11:05 |
| ogra | RichEd-1, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20080226/ is the text ok that way ? | 11:19 |
| RichEd-1 | hi ogra ... checking now | 11:19 |
| RichEd-1 | the line under Add-On CD ? | 11:20 |
| ogra | Ubuntu educational add-on CD | 11:21 |
| ogra | everywher in the text now .... | 11:21 |
| ogra | instead of just "add-on CD" | 11:21 |
| ogra | and edubuntu 8.04 LTS at the top header | 11:22 |
| RichEd-1 | just refreshed ... browser loading pages strangely toda | 11:23 |
| RichEd-1 | *today | 11:23 |
| RichEd-1 | make it: Ubuntu Education Add-On CD | 11:24 |
| RichEd-1 | (drop the "al" in the name) | 11:24 |
| ogra | ok | 11:24 |
| ogra | (will be in tomorrows build, i cant regenerate teh text alone) | 11:24 |
| RichEd-1 | The Ubuntu Education Add-on CD contains additional packages useful in an Educational environment - including many educational applications / programs. Installation of the Education Add-On requires that you have already installed an Ubuntu desktop system. | 11:28 |
| RichEd-1 | ?? try that for tomorrow | 11:28 |
| * RichEd-1 is back in 20 mins | 11:28 | |
| === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd | ||
| juliux | RichEd, http://ubuntu.juliux.de/tassen.jpg the right one;) | 11:38 |
| RichEd | juliux: i'll take on with a strong coffee in it please | 12:09 |
| RichEd | s/on/one/ | 12:09 |
| juliux | hehe | 12:09 |
| juliux | yes a strong coffee would be good now;) | 12:09 |
| juliux | RichEd, my plan was to bring some mugs to the next uds | 12:10 |
| RichEd | good idea ... i'll also ask canonical if they want to buy a couple off you to give to clients | 12:12 |
| cafka | bzip2 -dc patch-2.6.24.3.bz2 | patch -p1 -s i have used this command to patch the kernel.. but a setup is displayed to choose what files to be patched is there a command to patch all files?? | 14:38 |
| RichEd | juliux: i presume you have seen the ubuntu / canonical store ? | 14:44 |
| * RichEd wonders if they would want to carry your mugs as a stock item | 14:45 | |
| juliux | RichEd, yes i have seen the canonical store | 14:46 |
| juliux | RichEd, i will ask gerry | 14:46 |
| juliux | RichEd, i talked with katkin, they don't want some | 15:16 |
| RichEd | okay :( | 15:17 |
| Armagon | Greetings. | 15:44 |
| Armagon | After a lot of work, I've got a powerpc computer connecting to my amd64 edubuntu server. [An iBook G4 connecting to a MacBook.] | 15:45 |
| Armagon | My client is getting the kernel now over TFTP, and I am getting "nfsmount: need a path" on the client. | 15:46 |
| Armagon | I don't know anything about nfs. I see that edubuntu is set to use nbd by default. | 15:46 |
| Armagon | I should mention that I made my powerpc image using ubuntu 7.04. [It was by accident, but when I tried 7.10, I ran into problems that I could not resolve in a couple of hours.] | 15:47 |
| Armagon | Am I best off to try to setup an nfs server on my server? | 15:48 |
| RichEd | Armagon: google seach on this: [+ubuntu +"nfsmount: need a path"] | 15:49 |
| RichEd | gives this link: http://downloads.revolutionlinux.com/ltsp-irc-log/ltsp.log.txt | 15:49 |
| RichEd | i'll /msg you the discussion from that log | 15:49 |
| Armagon | Thanks. I'm taking a look at it. | 15:52 |
| ogra | Armagon, thats unlikely to work | 15:52 |
| ogra | combibing 7.04 with 7.10 i mean | 15:52 |
| Armagon | I had wondered about that. | 15:53 |
| Armagon | There were two issues with the powerpc setup of edubuntu with 7.10 -- not modprobing the ide drivers, and something about a blank screen. I ran into one or both of them, and despite being a technically literate user, was not able to get past them. | 15:54 |
| ogra | fo the nfsmount priob you need to chek your dhcpd config | 15:54 |
| Armagon | I am a tech in my school division, and am hoping to sell people on using edubuntu here. | 15:54 |
| ogra | it needs to have the root-path parameter set to /opt/ltsp/powerpc | 15:55 |
| Armagon | Should I try using hardy? | 15:55 |
| Armagon | Oh, I can do that, ogra! | 15:55 |
| ogra | but even then ldm and ltspfs in gutsy are massivley different | 15:55 |
| Armagon | hmm. | 15:55 |
| ogra | its a matter of luck i'd say | 15:56 |
| ogra | try it :) | 15:56 |
| ogra | but dont expect it to work | 15:56 |
| Armagon | there aren't powerpc images available for download, are there? | 15:56 |
| ogra | nope | 15:57 |
| Armagon | I mean the stuff to put in /opt/ltsp/powerpc and/or /opt/ltsp/images | 15:57 |
| ogra | yes, i understood that | 15:57 |
| Armagon | and I can't chroot into a powerpc image from an amd64 machine, can I? | 15:57 |
| ogra | if i find time before hardy release i'll test powerpc ... but its not in the list of supported architectures so its not very high on my prio list | 15:58 |
| ogra | (testing implies that i build an image, which i then will upload somewhere) | 15:58 |
| ogra | no, you cant | 15:58 |
| ogra | ppc needs a ppc cpu | 15:58 |
| ogra | you could chroot into a ppc chroot from a ppc64 machine :) | 15:58 |
| Armagon | I understand that it is not supported. It's almost a shame that we have so much powerpc hardware that at the end of its fat-cliently-ly useful life. | 15:59 |
| ogra | yeah | 15:59 |
| Armagon | what sort of machine has a ppc64 processor? | 15:59 |
| ogra | i can imagine storages full of old imacs | 15:59 |
| ogra | ibm machines do and i think there are some older apple servers as well :) | 15:59 |
| Armagon | If the server has the files needed for a different architecture, is it possible to generate the squashfs image file from it? | 16:01 |
| Armagon | Well, instead of getting "nfsmount: need a path", I am now getting "connect: Connection refused" and "read: Connection refused". | 16:03 |
| ogra | great, youre one step further :) | 16:04 |
| ogra | make sure fs-kernel-server is running | 16:05 |
| ogra | *nfs-kernel-server | 16:05 |
| Armagon | It does not appear to be. (ps -aux | grep nfs -> nothing but the grep) | 16:06 |
| Armagon | I suppose I want to install nfs-kernel-server, or do I want nfs-common? | 16:07 |
| Armagon | ah. kernel server | 16:07 |
| ogra | common should come with it | 16:09 |
| ogra | as dependency | 16:09 |
| Armagon | What would I want to put in /etc/exports? | 16:09 |
| ogra | it should be configured already, check that first | 16:11 |
| Armagon | No; there is nothing in it that is not commented out. | 16:11 |
| ogra | if not, add the following line: | 16:11 |
| ogra | /opt/ltsp/i386 *(ro) | 16:11 |
| Armagon | I think the line I need is something like "/opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)" | 16:11 |
| alumno10 | Hi, i havent sound in clients | 16:11 |
| ogra | yeah, thats a lot better | 16:11 |
| ogra | take yours | 16:11 |
| Armagon | okay, I'll do that ( s/i386/powerpc/g ) | 16:11 |
| ogra | no, drop the arch :) | 16:12 |
| Armagon | oh, ok | 16:12 |
| alumno10 | their hardware are sis7019 | 16:12 |
| ogra | if you ever want i386 clients you don need to remember to reconfigure | 16:12 |
| Armagon | okay | 16:12 |
| ogra | alumno10, there no driver for that soundcard | 16:12 |
| ogra | +is | 16:12 |
| Armagon | [I imagine I will at some point ... but one thing at a time.] | 16:12 |
| alumno10 | actualli i've found some sources and modules compiled | 16:13 |
| ogra | that an oss driver | 16:13 |
| ogra | wont work | 16:13 |
| alumno10 | but when i modprobed it they say "bad module format" or some | 16:13 |
| ogra | sounds like you use an ebox ... | 16:13 |
| ogra | dont buy them for ltsp | 16:13 |
| alumno10 | yep, its an ebox | 16:13 |
| alumno10 | :s | 16:14 |
| ogra | its a great thing for a standalone kiosk system that runs a single app | 16:14 |
| ogra | but nothing for desktops | 16:14 |
| alumno10 | wich machine could i use then? | 16:14 |
| ogra | i had hacked up the sound driver back in feisty for them ... the sounds stutters if you move the mouse because the CPU gets under way to heavy load | 16:15 |
| alumno10 | i ve seen this machines with sound but just with 2.6.8 kernels | 16:15 |
| alumno10 | now im using 2.6.22-14-386 | 16:15 |
| ogra | ltsp5 has no oss support | 16:16 |
| ogra | (actually the upstream kernel is abut to drop oss) | 16:16 |
| alumno10 | yes, i know :/ | 16:16 |
| ogra | so you need to do a lot more to somehow make oss work ... | 16:16 |
| alumno10 | and when i do aplay xxxx.wav system says pulseaudio: connection rejected or some | 16:17 |
| ogra | indee | 16:17 |
| ogra | d | 16:17 |
| ogra | ther is no working sound HW your alsa stack can connect to | 16:17 |
| ogra | pulse on the client expects something to be there in teh alsa stack it can attach to ... | 16:18 |
| alumno10 | damn.... that means all this clients now are obsoleted? | 16:18 |
| alumno10 | :S | 16:18 |
| ogra | well, even if you get them working they are no fun above 800x600@16bit cols | 16:18 |
| alumno10 | now im using it | 16:18 |
| alumno10 | and they run so so with firefox, xchat and openoffice | 16:19 |
| ogra | which resolution/colordepth ? | 16:19 |
| alumno10 | since they are just 11 | 16:19 |
| alumno10 | 1024x768@16 | 16:19 |
| ogra | and you find that usable speed wise ? | 16:20 |
| ogra | 7me didnt when he tested last time | 16:20 |
| alumno10 | i disabled a lot of things | 16:20 |
| ogra | that doesnt matter | 16:20 |
| alumno10 | and gnome of course not, we use icewm | 16:20 |
| alumno10 | humm | 16:20 |
| ogra | for the client performance only the amount of colors and frames transferred to its X server counts | 16:21 |
| alumno10 | they are pretty usable | 16:21 |
| alumno10 | and ssh security disabled | 16:21 |
| alumno10 | somewhere i read that speeds up connection | 16:21 |
| ogra | you mean LDM_DIRECTX ? | 16:21 |
| ogra | or did you switch to xdmcp | 16:21 |
| alumno10 | yes | 16:22 |
| alumno10 | ldm_directx | 16:22 |
| ogra | ah, good to hear its half way usable | 16:22 |
| ogra | i'll have to dig up my ebox for testing i guess | 16:22 |
| ogra | before we release hardy | 16:22 |
| alumno10 | i just have problems with videos, of course | 16:23 |
| alumno10 | flash too | 16:23 |
| ogra | indeed | 16:23 |
| ogra | the CPU wont handle that | 16:23 |
| alumno10 | but everything else are ok | 16:23 |
| ogra | way to many frames in way to short time | 16:23 |
| alumno10 | client cpu ? | 16:23 |
| ogra | nothing a 233MHz CPU can handle | 16:23 |
| alumno10 | or this is problem of server cpu? | 16:23 |
| ogra | client | 16:23 |
| Armagon | This time I am getting "connect: Connection refused" | 16:24 |
| ogra | it needs to handle 24 freames per second while doing lots of other stuff | 16:24 |
| alumno10 | hum, damn,, so i must to change all clients :/ | 16:24 |
| ogra | in 16 bit :) | 16:24 |
| alumno10 | which machine can i use to watch youtube? | 16:24 |
| ogra | i'd go with something around or above 500MHz .... 128M ram ... and preferably an intel graphics card ... but via or trident would do as well i think | 16:25 |
| Armagon | Is there an nfs log file I can tail? | 16:26 |
| alumno10 | wow... 500mhz ... | 16:26 |
| ogra | Armagon, daemon-log ? | 16:26 |
| ogra | alumno10, 233 is the absolutely bare minimum we support | 16:26 |
| ogra | and support doesnt mean flash sound localdev etc | 16:26 |
| alumno10 | and which kind of server for like 30machines? | 16:27 |
| ogra | but basic functionallity | 16:27 |
| ogra | that depends on the desktop you use | 16:27 |
| alumno10 | they are working with usb fortunatelly | 16:27 |
| Armagon | [I'm not properly registered and can't send private messages.] daemon log is only showing me DHCP stuff. | 16:27 |
| alumno10 | *usb drives | 16:27 |
| ogra | for a gnome or kde desktop the formula is: 128M pre running client +256M forteh server itslef | 16:27 |
| ogra | s/pre/per/ | 16:28 |
| ogra | so for a server providing a gnome desktop taht would be arund 4G | 16:28 |
| alumno10 | since the original server had hardware problems, now we are using a crappy 512mb 1.2ghz server | 16:29 |
| ogra | no idea about icewm. i havent used it since about 6 years | 16:29 |
| alumno10 | with 11machines | 16:29 |
| ogra | i think xfce lies around 90M | 16:29 |
| alumno10 | im ok with icewm, it starts instantly | 16:30 |
| ogra | so ice migh do with 30 or so per running client | 16:30 |
| Armagon | Hmm.. There are a couple of lines in daemon.log that mention /etc/exports | 16:30 |
| ogra | is the nfs server actually running ? | 16:31 |
| alumno10 | so if i use a faster server, like a xeon, people doesn't be able to watch video like youtube? | 16:31 |
| alumno10 | (we actually have chance to buy a xeon) | 16:31 |
| alumno10 | *wont be able... | 16:31 |
| ogra | in the case of the ebox its really the graphic processing speed you lack ... | 16:33 |
| ogra | (on the client) | 16:33 |
| alumno10 | humm, wow... we almost boy a big server thinking problem are that | 16:34 |
| alumno10 | *buy | 16:34 |
| alumno10 | :S | 16:34 |
| alumno10 | ok, thank you VERy much! | 16:35 |
| alumno10 | tomorrow ill put my coreduo as client, and ill watch what happen with vids | 16:35 |
| ogra | well, 512M and 1.2Ghz with 30 clients will likely have probs as well pushing the CPU specs a bit would help | 16:37 |
| pak33m|work | hi everybody can anybody answer an easy question? | 16:43 |
| pak33m|work | im wondering if its possible after installing edubuntu either by cd (desktop or server) or apt-get edubuntu-desktop to install the classroom addon and/or its software through apt like apt-get install classroom-addon? | 16:45 |
| jobdrb | HELLO ALL! IS THERE A WAY TO USE A LOCAL HD PARTITION IN LTSP-5, LIKE IN 4.2 (local_device_02 =/dev/hda3:hd) ????? | 16:54 |
| Armagon | I was accidentally disconnected there. | 17:10 |
| Armagon | Good news! It worked with an iBook G4. | 17:10 |
| Armagon | It is not, unfortunately, working with an older iMac | 17:10 |
| Armagon | I know I've got a strange setup here -- and I'll have to try making an image from 7.10 again, but, on the machine that is working as a thin client, the cursor is staying as a wait cursor (despite working), and gdm is not drawing the outside of windows. | 17:39 |
| * dtrask loves snow, but this is getting ridiculous! | 17:47 | |
| ogra_cmpc | dtrask, we didnt have *any* this year (very unusual) | 17:49 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: I'm not REALLY complaining, but there's a big storm bering down on us right now...and supposedly 2 more in its wake (Sat-Sun and Mon) | 17:50 |
| dtrask | oops (sp) "bearing" | 17:50 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: at least the skiing will be good this weekend | 17:51 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: so...how've you been man! | 17:51 |
| ogra_cmpc | busy | 17:52 |
| ogra_cmpc | with cclassmate and the CD rearranging | 17:52 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: getting almost everything set the way you wanted it to come out? | 17:52 |
| ogra_cmpc | yep | 17:53 |
| ogra_cmpc | ltsp is on the ubuntu alternate cd now | 17:53 |
| ogra_cmpc | an dedubuntu turned into a plain educational addon cd | 17:53 |
| ogra_cmpc | requiring ubuntu-desktop to be installed | 17:54 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: yeah....I see that...I have mixed feelings....one the one hand I can see benefits and on the other I can see drawbacks | 17:54 |
| ogra_cmpc | that gains us several 100M on the cd | 17:54 |
| ogra_cmpc | like 3-400 | 17:54 |
| ogra_cmpc | lots of new space for edu apps | 17:54 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: most of the drawbacks are purely psychological | 17:54 |
| dtrask | ;-) | 17:54 |
| ogra_cmpc | right | 17:54 |
| ogra_cmpc | its all about the right wording we need to choose for the release | 17:55 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: Having the edu apps will be a huge PLUS | 17:55 |
| ogra_cmpc | right | 17:55 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: exactly\ | 17:55 |
| ogra_cmpc | and having ltsp in ubuntu as well | 17:55 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: I'm hoping to be able to talk to folks at some point about this type of thing...there's some "skittish-ness" among the average educator/techie with regard to the future and the shift...nothing major, but "some" folks are nervous and need reassuring | 17:56 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: image and perception is 99% of the game | 17:57 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, if they have systems they dont need to bother | 17:57 |
| ogra_cmpc | its only for new installs | 17:57 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: I suspect things will be fine once people see Hardy and that things are really not much different | 17:57 |
| ogra_cmpc | apart from 3 years of support :) | 17:58 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: I'm actually a tad nervous about authentication stuff...Samba/LDAP is a little "broken" in Gutsy...I'm hoping something else comes along that's an official part of Ubuntu | 17:58 |
| ogra_cmpc | not for hardy i was told ... at least no default setup for the server side | 17:59 |
| ogra_cmpc | #ubuntu-server can tell you though | 17:59 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: My production stuff is still Feisty....I learned long ago not to upgrade in the middle of a school year | 17:59 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: oh crap | 17:59 |
| ogra_cmpc | i'm not inviolved with that so i dont know exactly | 17:59 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: any inkling as to the reason? | 18:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | its not ready ? | 18:00 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: just curious | 18:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | no idea, really | 18:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | the server team will know | 18:00 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: that would be a good reason ;-) | 18:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | i'm in platform now .... rarekly have to do with server stuff | 18:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | moodle and edubuntu content server are the only server stuff on my plate atm | 18:01 |
| dtrask | I'm hoping we can cobble something together to get through another year or release until something arrives | 18:01 |
| dtrask | I remember how adamant you were about authentication at UDS Google....did they shift it away to another branch like the server team? | 18:02 |
| ogra_cmpc | general ldap should already be a lot easier to set up | 18:02 |
| ogra_cmpc | even in hardy | 18:02 |
| dtrask | cool | 18:02 |
| ogra_cmpc | they dont stanhd still in the server team | 18:02 |
| ogra_cmpc | but i have no ised how far they are with a default setup ... or if they even plan any samba intergration | 18:02 |
| ogra_cmpc | s/ised/idea/ | 18:03 |
| dtrask | cool.... | 18:03 |
| dtrask | just wondering....planning ahead. We've gotten some good press lately...locally...and planning to have it continue ;-) | 18:04 |
| ogra_cmpc | cool | 18:04 |
| dtrask | ogra_cmpc: Prague is going to be pretty close by for you, 'eh? | 18:05 |
| ogra_cmpc | some 100km 800 or so | 18:05 |
| dtrask | go by train or plane? | 18:05 |
| ogra_cmpc | no idea yeat | 18:05 |
| ogra_cmpc | probably train | 18:05 |
| LaserJock | bah, has RichEd been around? | 18:37 |
| HedgeMage | LaserJock: don't know, I haven't been able to catch him either, but my net access has been intermittent at best | 18:41 |
| LaserJock | RichEd-1: is that really you? :-) | 18:44 |
| dtrask | RichEd? | 18:49 |
| dtrask | LaserJock? | 18:50 |
| dtrask | Mommy? | 18:50 |
| LaserJock | dtrask! | 18:50 |
| dtrask | LOL | 18:50 |
| dtrask | Hey! | 18:50 |
| dtrask | How's it going!? | 18:50 |
| LaserJock | uggg, busy | 18:50 |
| LaserJock | trying to write a sample lab report for my students | 18:50 |
| lns | dtrask, no, not mom..this is morpheus | 18:51 |
| lns | (Computer Boy quote) | 18:51 |
| LaserJock | since the idea of actually writing a report is quite foreign it seems | 18:51 |
| dtrask | lns: LOL | 18:51 |
| LaserJock | and of course the syllabus which explains what to do doesn't work ;-) | 18:51 |
| dtrask | LaserJock: foreign to you or them? | 18:51 |
| dtrask | got it now | 18:51 |
| LaserJock | them | 18:51 |
| dtrask | I'm actually "teaching" my kids how to "present"....anyone can make a slide show...I'm trying to teach them how to "present"...as opposed to simply reading from a screen. They doing quite well I might add | 18:52 |
| LaserJock | oh thank goodness | 18:53 |
| dtrask | We use a presenters mouse....and the whole nine yards....using either Google docs presentation module or OO | 18:53 |
| LaserJock | drill them well and tell them it will help them a huge amount in college | 18:53 |
| dtrask | I also teach them that animation is not all it's cracked up to be | 18:53 |
| LaserJock | we're lucky if we can get college seniors to do a decent presentation ;-) | 18:54 |
| LaserJock | "yes thanks, I know how to read, you don't need to tell me what you wrote" | 18:54 |
| dtrask | I am....I actually do a presentation for them (one that I've been doing at conferences and stuff) about FOSS and Ubuntu called "The Natives are Restless"....they get right into my presentation....then at the end I explain how I used the screen as a jumping off point and carried on the actual presentation myself. I actually turned the project off on one kid and told him to continue....when I did that...they "got it" | 18:55 |
| dtrask | Well....I actually have to go and watch some more of these presentations....be back in a while | 18:56 |
| * dtrask gets ready to watch his students continue to impress him ;-) | 18:56 | |
| * dtrask they did great! Laserjock would be proud! | 19:27 | |
| johnny | ogra_cmpc, currently the sabayon issue with mounted ~/.gvfs won't affect ubuntu on a normal install,since you have to be in the fuse group | 20:37 |
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| caspu | Hi | 20:57 |
| bdoin_ | good news ubuntu finaly updated the gcompris translation | 22:05 |
| boggystudios | is there a tutorial on how to customize edubuntu (or any other linux distro) to a particular school? | 22:53 |
| johnny | customize in what way | 23:17 |
| johnny | that is waay too broad of a question | 23:17 |
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