[00:02] <Riddell> nixternal: buliding new ones now
[00:02] <Riddell> (which means I don't know yet)
[00:02] <nixternal> k
[00:02] <nixternal> maybe get a chance to test them out later tonight?
[00:03] <Riddell> don't let me stop you
[00:04] <nixternal> I can wait...I will leave some space on my desktop to test with
[00:05] <Riddell> it'll be about 10 minutes
[00:15] <nixternal> groovy, let me know when it is available for download if you are still awake :)
[00:18] <Riddell> nixternal: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily-live/20080226/
[00:18] <nixternal> thank you sir
[00:18] <Riddell> alternate ones will appear soon under daily/  they are less likely to work but I'm hopeful
[00:19] <nixternal> hehe
[00:21] <nixternal> are these discs coming with OOo or KOffice2?
[00:30] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: ping
[00:32] <Hobbsee> You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[00:32] <nosrednaekim> no pointy sticks in that reproof?
[00:33] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : are your around now?
[00:33] <Hobbsee> maybe
[00:33] <Hobbsee> somewhat
[00:33] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : may i ask you a private question?
[00:34] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: sure
[00:40] <Riddell> nixternal: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily/20080226/
[00:41] <nixternal> getting it now
[00:41] <Riddell> thanks
[00:41]  * Riddell sleeps
[00:41] <nixternal> g'nite
[00:41] <Jucato> g' night Riddell :)
[00:42] <nixternal> wasabi Jucato
[00:42]  * Jucato waves to nixternal and Hobbsee
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> bye Jucato
[00:42] <Hobbsee> night!
[00:42] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[00:42] <Jucato> nosrednaekim!!
[00:42] <Jucato> heh not me.
[00:42]  * Jucato is not sleeping at 08:41 while doing laundry :)
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> Jucato» oh.. thought you were leaving lol
[00:43] <Jucato> hehe :P
[00:44] <nixternal> I think it is about time for some chili
[00:44] <Jucato> yum! :)
[00:44] <Jucato> er. apt!
[00:45]  * nosrednaekim just had chili
[00:45] <nixternal> or conary
[00:45] <nixternal> :p
[00:45] <nixternal> or emerge
[00:45] <Jucato> or... s_____
[00:45] <nixternal> shite?
[00:46] <Jucato> hm.. when you guys say "chili" do you always mean the flatulence-inducing kind?
[00:46] <Jucato> (chili beans?)
[00:46] <nixternal> oh ya
[00:46] <Jucato> oh...
[00:46] <nixternal> lots of meat
[00:46]  * Jucato opens the Windows(tm)
[00:46] <nixternal> lots of peppers
[00:46] <nixternal> lots of fire breathing dragons
[00:46] <Jucato> Konqi!!
[00:47] <Jucato> oh... UWN didn't seem to inlcude sabdfl's interview in the Linux Foundation
[00:47] <nixternal> who is sabdfl?
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> Mark Shuttleworth
[00:47] <nixternal> who is that?
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[00:47] <nixternal> haha
[00:47] <Jucato> nixternal: how many times do we have to say, sarcasm is lost in transmission :)
[00:48] <nixternal> been a while since I seen his name
[00:48] <Jucato> (over the 'net)
[00:48] <Jucato> http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/openvoices/mark-shuttleworth/
[02:01] <nixternal> Riddell: Alternate CD is a no go, it crashes during the installing files towards the end, LiveCD won't start the desktop however it seems that it does in fact install, even though it seems to have just locked up on the reboot portion
[02:03] <nixternal> Riddell: also, the Live CD installer is the slower than installing Vista, literally slooooowwww, like catepillar walking slow :)
[02:03] <nixternal> BAH!
[02:03] <nixternal> Riddell: Could not start kstaryupconfig4. Check your installation.
[02:04] <nixternal> This is the same error you get when you try to run the Live CD to test it out
[02:04] <nixternal> and this is the error you get after installing as well
[02:06] <jjesse> bummer on all those errors
[02:09] <nixternal> it is called from startkde
[02:09] <nixternal> if test $? -ne 0;
[02:09] <nixternal> it is failing that test
[02:15] <nixternal> linking seems to be the issue, kstartupconfig4 tries to run kdostartupconfig4 however that is not found
[02:20] <jjesse> bummer
[02:22] <jjesse> i really miss my DVR when i'm not home... miss the ability to pause to use the resteroom
[02:22] <jjesse> and skipp stupid commercials
[02:23]  * Hobbsee discovers something amazing
[02:23] <crimsun_> jjesse: did you get your audio issues straightened?  (just reattached)
[02:23] <jjesse> crimsun_: haven't really played w/ it much as i've reboot several times since then
[02:23] <crimsun_> jjesse: 'k
[02:24] <jjesse> i'm sure its something w/ the intel sound card i have
[02:24] <jjesse> had to do a custom install of alsa to get sound working in the first place
[02:25] <crimsun_> jjesse: nah, that's symptomatic of broken drivers
[02:25] <crimsun_> if hardy's l-u-m doesn't resolve it, you probably want to track my alsa-driver changes on LP
[02:26] <crimsun_> anyhow, was just checking for progress.  Don't mind me. :)
[02:28] <nixternal> hey, my sound is still buggy
[02:28] <nixternal> since Edgy now :p
[02:28] <jjesse> crimsun_: thanks for the offer, iwll look into testing hardy alpha to see how things go
[02:28] <nixternal> jjesse: if it is Intel it isn't any better
[02:28] <nixternal> my sound works, I just can't control the volume anymore with my media keys
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» did you try setting the shortcuts manually in mkix?
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> *kmix
[02:29] <crimsun_> nixternal: lspci -nv|grep -A1 0403
[02:29] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: yup, my media keys are the hard wired badboys
[02:29] <nixternal> 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 01) Subsystem: 103c:30a5
[02:29] <nixternal> rev 01 at least
[02:29] <crimsun_> I only care about the SSID :)
[02:30] <nixternal> I have seen those with rev 03 want to kill themselves at Install Fests
[02:30] <crimsun_> oh, I pushed extra quirks for those already.
[02:30] <nixternal> this KDE 4 issue from the live CD is annoying
[02:30] <nixternal> so I should be expecting an update for those one of these days then?
[02:30] <crimsun_> they're not in Alpha 5's l-u-m -8
[02:30] <crimsun_> well, that depends on rtg
[02:31] <nixternal> ok, so I should expect them in Intrepid
[02:31] <crimsun_> you can test alsa-source, though (that's essentially the only thing I'm still concerned about)
[02:31] <nixternal> :P
[02:32] <crimsun_> (need module-assistant, debconf-utils; m-a clean,a-i alsa-source && /sbin/alsa force-reload)
[02:35] <nixternal> sudo m-a clean && sudo a-i alsa-source && sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload
[02:35] <nixternal> I take it that is the command I should run?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> m-a = module assistant I think......
[02:35] <nixternal> No package specified. STOP.
[02:35] <nixternal> if I run m-a clean
[02:36] <nixternal> ahh, you actually use the ,
[02:40] <nixternal> crimsun_: how long does the 'Building alsa-source, step 1, please wait' stick around for?
[02:40] <nixternal> nevermind, right as I hit enter it took off
[02:45] <jjesse> unfortnately i've gotten good at  building alsa-source
[02:51] <nixternal> didn't do anything for me
[02:51] <nixternal> media volume up/down control Master, however master doesn't do anything for me, I have to control the volume via PCM
[02:51] <nixternal> and if I set PCM as master, it still isn't controlled by the keys
[02:52] <nixternal> annoying, but I just learned to set the kmix icon to allow middle clicking for mute :)
[02:52] <nixternal> and if I set it to PCM, I can scroll up and down on the speaker to at least control the volume
[02:52] <nixternal> food time
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> awwww! i'm 1 week too young to be in the GSoC
[03:12] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: that's a bummer
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> one guy suggested I write google an email..... not sure though,guess it couldn't hurt
[03:14] <jjesse> it would be cool if they made an exception
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> yep
[03:18] <jjesse> man i'm bored tonight
[03:19] <crimsun_> nixternal: you're not using the latest
[03:20] <crimsun_> nixternal: see the vcs-bzr entry in the source
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> jjesse» do you have op priv to the #kubuntu channel
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» ping.
[04:24] <nixternal> Riddell: it seems that startkde on the KDE 4 cd doesn't have the following:
[04:25] <nixternal> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/lib
[04:25] <nixternal> export KDEDIRS=/usr/lib/kde4
[04:25] <nixternal> export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH
[04:25] <nixternal> once I added those to my startkde from the Live CD install, KDE 4 works like a champ
[04:35] <nixternal> anyone have an idea on how to fix the fonts to make them look nice? on a fresh install of KDE 4 they look ugly
[04:36] <nixternal> nevermind, forced them to 96dpi and they look fine now
[05:09] <nixternal> impressive...KDE 4 with my Radeon 9700 using OpenGL works amazingly well
[05:09] <nixternal> can't say the same for Compiz though
[06:44] <serega> morning
[06:44] <nixternal> mornin'
[06:49] <serega> nixternal: how is the weather? is it ok?
[06:49] <nixternal> gettin' a lot of snow
[09:55]  * serega_ waves to serega
[09:58] <serega_> looks like I forgot to shutdown konversation at home :)
[09:59] <serega_> someone, please kick "serega"
[10:12] <hads> serega_: Just recover the nick.
[10:17] <serega_> hads: recover?
[10:17] <serega_> hads: [Nick] Nickname already in use, try a different one.
[10:18] <hads> /msg nickserv help
[10:19] <serega> hads: thank you
[10:19] <hads> np
[10:22] <Riddell> nixternal: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde does have those export lines
[10:37] <Hobbsee> !ghost | serega_
[10:37] <ubotu> serega_: On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[10:38] <serega> Hobbsee: thanks
[11:00] <serzholino> hi! Is it enough to add new session file to /usr/share/xsessions to be picked by kdm in kde3?
[11:01] <serzholino> I've added there new session file for my kde4 build, but it doesn't appear in kdm sessions list
[11:02] <serega> I have fixed an issue and packaged my fix. I think I should upload *.diff.gz and *.dsc somewhere
[11:12] <serega> Riddell: Good day, Jonathan. Please excuse my bothering. Who could review/upload my package?
[11:21] <Riddell> serega: I should be able to
[11:22] <serega> Riddell: thanks, where to send it to?
[11:22] <Riddell> serega: please make a debdiff and upload that somewhere
[11:22] <serega> ok
[11:22] <Riddell> serega: make a but report and attach or just put it on a web server and paste the url
[11:23] <Riddell> serzholino: yes that should be enough
[11:23] <serzholino> :(
[11:30] <serzholino> still no luck with kde4 session
[11:31] <Riddell> #kde-devel
[11:33] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell
[11:35] <serega> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/918822
[11:40] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[11:40] <Riddell> serega: nice
[11:42] <serega> Riddell: thanks. as far as I see install-css.sh is just a sample script. Can I continue my work on real dvdcss autoinstallation is nobody does?
[11:43] <Riddell> serega: please do
[11:43] <Riddell> serega: just extent install-codecs to also install the dvdcss.deb
[11:44] <Riddell> serega: patched kaffeine uploaded thanks
[11:45] <serega> Riddell: ok, I will. thank you Jonathan and please take personal appologizes to you for my long absense
[12:18] <Riddell> nixternal: live CD works fine for me
[12:21] <Riddell> anyone able to test the amd64 live CD?
[12:33] <serega> Riddell: in the evening
[13:33] <serega> Riddell: I have some questions, please let me know when we can discuss it
[13:35] <jpatrick> serega: how goes the translation?
[13:37] <serega> jpatrick: pretty good, but I get stuck at the paragraph which references to your .tar.gz
[13:37] <serega> jpatrick: I am unsure of directory structure inside of it
[13:38] <jpatrick> serega: look at the debian-templ dir in the source tarball, that's it
[13:38] <serega> jpatrick: another one issue: I have to google how to compile cyrillic PDF :)
[13:38] <serega> jpatrick: it is inaccessible, remember?)
[13:38] <jpatrick> serega: why?
[13:39] <jpatrick> serega: in kubuntu-tutorials-day-packaging.tar.gz there should be two debian-* dirs
[13:39] <serega> jpatrick: host was down, I'll check it now
[13:39] <jpatrick> serega: run ./genpdf in the latex source dir too :) to get the PDF
[13:40] <jpatrick> serega: yeah, I remember that what was on the host, was in the latex source
[13:40] <serega> jpatrick: it is not so easy for cyrillic documents, really
[13:41] <jpatrick> :(
[13:41] <serega> jpatrick: do not worry, there are lots of solutions for russian TeX
[13:41] <serega> jpatrick: could you remind me your home page URL? I'm at job now
[13:51] <Riddell> serega: hi, any time
[13:57] <serega> Riddell: in install-codecs script we try to use gksudo and xterm+sudo when kdesu is unavailable. The same is with kdialog. Do we really need this? It is a great source of script complexity
[13:58] <serega> Riddell: I mean kaffeine codec autoinstallation is kubuntu feature, maybe it's must not work even in ubuntu etc
[13:59] <serega> at install script level
[14:00] <Riddell> there's an argument against it
[14:00] <Riddell> kaffeine could always just recommend kdesudo and adept and if you don't have those tough
[14:02] <serega> Riddell: do you mean package 'Recommended' property?
[14:05] <serega> Riddell: so I can use only KDE-suite utils, right?
[14:09] <Riddell> serega: yes
[14:09] <Riddell> serega: if those recommends are added I'm happy with that
[14:09] <Riddell> serega: one day it can just use package kit of course
[14:10] <serega> Riddell: great. I'll add recommends. thanks!
[14:13] <Riddell> serega: and of course it should fail sensibly if they are not installed
[14:15] <serega> Riddell: it will result in kaffeine message "Unable to play"
[14:16] <serega> Riddell: is it acceptable?
[14:16] <Riddell> that's fine
[14:17] <serega> this means "Codec autoinstallation is not possible" indeed :)
[14:47] <serega> Riddell: is that soltion with http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/packages/libdvdcss-i386.php URL still acceptable for us?
[14:59] <Riddell> serega: yes I think so
[15:37] <Riddell> nixternal: oh, you were testing amd64.  bummer
[15:41] <serega> Riddell: implement libdvdcss-i386.php as an symbolic link 'libdvdcss-i386.deb' to real deb file. kfmclient tries to handle .php
[15:41] <serega> Riddell: please
[15:45] <Riddell> serega: the problem is that packages.medibuntu.org reports it as application/octet-stream mimetype
[15:46] <serega> Riddell: I thought you just mirrored the .deb, didn't you?
[15:47] <Riddell> serega: no, it's a forward to packages.medibuntu.org
[15:50] <serega> Riddell: is it possible to make a .deb extension at your side somehow?
[15:51] <serega> Riddell: do not spent too much time, only if it is easy
[15:54] <Riddell> surpringly it seems to work http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/packages/libdvdcss-i386.deb
[15:57] <serega> Riddell: you rock! how did you do that?
[15:58] <serega> ^)
[16:03] <Riddell> serega: apache lets me set the extension to mimetypes
[16:06] <\sh> Riddell: isn't this a similarity to kde gears? http://scr3.golem.de/?d=0802/bungie-interview&a=57950&s=1
[16:13] <Riddell> \sh: not much I'd say
[16:14] <\sh> Riddell: when I saw this, I wasn't sure if it wasn't the kde symbol ;)
[16:15] <\sh> but actually i need some sleep....
[16:16] <apachelogger> jpatrick: pling
[16:16] <apachelogger> ahoy, btw :P
[16:17] <jpatrick> apachelogger: pong
[16:18] <apachelogger> jpatrick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings <-- do we have a nu meeting date? the current one looks out of date... where to add items? meeting+1?
[16:19] <jpatrick> apachelogger: hrm, I've lost track of the dates
[16:19] <apachelogger> hm, there wasn't much to loose for me ;-)
[16:20] <jpatrick> apachelogger: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dragonplayer.html
[16:20] <apachelogger> yay
[16:20] <apachelogger> jpatrick: btw, 2.0.1 is out :P
[16:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, it ought to be tomorrow
[16:20] <apachelogger> talking about that... I actually wanted to upload that on sunday :|
[16:20] <jpatrick> apachelogger: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=dragonplayer
[16:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: no wait, we had one more recently..
[16:21] <apachelogger> last wed, wasn't it?
[16:21] <jpatrick> next sunday I think it is
[16:21] <apachelogger> the one without agenda and stuff
[16:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: right, so next one should be a week on saturday 8th
[16:21] <apachelogger> ok
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: time as always?
[16:22] <Riddell> 1100utc
[16:22] <jpatrick> apachelogger: 11UTC
[16:22] <apachelogger> aye
[16:22] <apachelogger> *updating*
[16:22] <Riddell> poke nixternal for the fridge entry
[16:23] <apachelogger> nixternal: *poke*
[16:23] <jjesse> don't poke nixternal too hard he gets angry
[16:23]  * apachelogger throws his sonic screwdriver at nixternal
[16:40] <serega> gdebi-kde doesn't install libdvdcss: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/919128
[16:42] <serega> 484 megs of free mem
[16:44] <Riddell> serega: that's a known bug
[16:45] <Riddell> it hits randomly
[16:45] <nixternal> 2008-03-08 @ 11:00 UTC?
[16:46] <jpatrick> nixternal: prefect
[16:46] <serega> darn...
[16:46] <serega> Riddell: is it fixed in HArdy?
[16:47] <serega> heh... it really consumes ALL memory :)
[16:48] <nixternal> meeting submitted to the fridge
[16:49] <Riddell> serega: unfortunately not, it's very hard to debug
[16:53] <serega> Riddell: ok, I will use it in script anyway in hope this bug will be fixed :-/
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> kicker-compiz and kicker-taskbar-compiz in main in hardy?
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> *are
[17:08] <serega> Riddell: review please the next patch: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/919149
[17:09] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: ...
[17:10] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: nope
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> mmk, then we can get rid of that bug report.
[17:11] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: there was a LP bug that put them into main when accepted but they were quickly demoted
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> bug #194983
[17:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194983 in desktop-effects-kde "desktop-effects-kde4 should install kicker-compiz & kicker-taskbar-compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194983
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> ok
[17:12] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: I think, won't fix, nice idea tho
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> yeah. I was actually thinking it myself. too bad.
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: who was I supposed to ping about desktop-effects-kde being included in main?
[17:41] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: pitti I think
[17:42] <nosrednaekim> mmk
[17:45] <nixternal> I must say, Ubuntu is pretty polished
[17:45] <nixternal> awn has some neat scripts/applets too that are kind of handy
[17:46] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: hardy now uses AWN by default?
[17:47] <yuriy> awn?
[17:47] <nosrednaekim> avant window manager.... a mac os X looking dock
[17:53] <nixternal> no, you have to install it
[17:59] <jussi01> Hmmm, does anyone know whats the issue with te lang packs atm? getting a few people in #kubuntu asking how to fix. can someone update me?
[18:00] <nixternal> only language pack I ran across with boogs is the Italian one I think, and a fix was uploaded for that
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: seems the canadian pack was broken (I think)
[18:01] <jussi01> Ok, whats the recomended fix?
[18:02] <nixternal> canadian pack? does have like 'ey' or something in it? don't they speak the same english as everyone else? :p
[18:02] <nixternal> obviously my language pack is lacking some words, like 'it' for example
[18:02] <nixternal> does *IT* have like 'ey'.... :p
[18:03] <nixternal> snow blowing time!
[18:03] <jussi01> LOL
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: eh... quassel doesn't seem to be handling private queys very well... just a moment while I switch to konversation
[18:03] <jussi01> kk
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: BRB... gotta do something for my mom
[18:07] <jussi01> ok
[18:14] <jussi01> nixternal: you mentioned a fix was uploaded, was there a bug you know of?
[18:48] <apachelogger> jpatrick: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dragonplayer/
[18:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: would be nice if you could throw it into gutsy-backports :)
[18:49] <jpatrick> apachelogger: the debian one is ready, just awaiting upload
[18:50] <apachelogger> nice
[18:50] <jussi01> ooohhh, its apachelogger
[18:50] <apachelogger> omg
[18:50]  * apachelogger is hiding
[18:50] <jpatrick> apachelogger: yeah, not as easy as: "dput debian *.changes && echo 'Suffer '"
[18:50] <jussi01> apachelogger: I was told you have debs of quassel? is that true? if so, where can i get?
[18:52] <apachelogger> jussi01: I am preparing the upload to my PPA right now
[18:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: can't yet, remind me again in a few hours
[18:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok
[18:53] <jpatrick> apachelogger: hiding from who?
[18:54] <apachelogger> jpatrick: jussi01
[18:54] <jussi01> apachelogger: great, Id love to grab them, so do let me know if you can when they are done :)
[18:54] <jpatrick> apachelogger: hehe
[18:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: will do
[18:54] <apachelogger> hm
[18:55]  * apachelogger just edited the wrong package
[18:55] <apachelogger> I have 5 revisions of quassel's packaging
[18:57] <apachelogger> jpatrick: is the series name intrepid or ibex?
[18:57] <jpatrick> apachelogger: ibex
[18:57] <apachelogger> phew, very good :D
[19:00] <nareshov> anyone with ruby-packaging experience here?
[19:04] <Riddell> nareshov: seaLne has done a bit
[19:11] <LeeJunFan> is it the fault of knetworkmanager or just NetworkManager that when I have a working wifi connection and I plug in ethernet it disconnects wifi and tries to autoconf the ethernet? It would be much better that if there's a working connection and a new one is detected that one would manually select that new connection.
[19:13] <fdoving> Riddell: hi, will you be updating the qt4.4 package in your ppa regularly?
[19:13] <jussi01> LeeJunFan: as I understand it, it just prefers ethernet over wireless
[19:13] <ScottK> LeeJunFan: It's Network Manager.  Not KDE specific and that is by design.
[19:13] <LeeJunFan> jussi01: I'm hoping to file a feature request but I'm not sure if it's NetworkManager or knetworkmanager that does it.
[19:14] <LeeJunFan> ScottK: okay, thanks.
[19:14] <nareshov> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/194463 , please :)
[19:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194463 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Rubygame" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[19:16] <Riddell> nareshov: doesn't look like a KDE package, try #ubuntu-motu
[19:16] <Riddell> fdoving: only as I get time
[19:16] <Riddell> fdoving: help would be nice :)
[19:18] <fdoving> Riddell: ok. there is a issue in the current ones, i'll try to make an updated version before bedtime.
[19:18] <fdoving> s/there is a/i have a/
[19:19] <Riddell> fdoving: what's the issue?
[19:20] <Riddell> fdoving: packaging beta 1 presumably?
[19:22] <fdoving> Riddell: the issue is with some qlocalsocket, it should be fixed in the qt-copy svn.
[19:25] <Riddell> fdoving: beta 1 is out yesterday
[19:25] <fdoving> is qt-copy updated?
[19:26] <Riddell> no idea
[19:26] <fdoving> i'll find out.
[19:26] <fdoving> and make some updated package.
[19:27] <jpatrick> apachelogger: it works!
[19:27] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: what works?
[19:28] <jpatrick> apachelogger:  aplg [n=quassel@N739P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at]
[19:28] <apachelogger> oh well
[19:28] <apachelogger> jpatrick: it already did work since about 2 months :P
[19:28] <apachelogger> I just had to try the desktop file ;-)
[19:30] <jussi01> :D
[19:30] <apachelogger> *backporting*
[19:33] <hunger> does somebody know why I end up with kdeinit4 complaining about me needing KComponentData object when trying to run KDE4?
[19:46] <apachelogger> 0.2~alpha1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1
[19:46] <apachelogger> that is one awesome version :D
[19:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I have got an ubdated package for ksniffer - can you have a look at it?
[19:46] <apachelogger> sure
[19:46] <Nightrose> *updated
[19:47] <jussi01> apachelogger: in yor ppa now?
[19:47] <apachelogger> jussi01: nope
[19:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: revu?
[19:47] <apachelogger> jussi01: testbuilding right now
[19:47]  * jussi01 is straining at the bit :P
[19:47] <jussi01> :D
[19:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: debdiff is easier, unless it is a completely new upstream release
[19:48] <Nightrose> ok - might take a little - just found another problem
[19:48] <apachelogger> yay
[19:49] <jpatrick> Nightrose: hmm, are you not in #kubuntu-de? :)
[19:49] <Nightrose> jpatrick: nope - too bussy and not really useful for me most of the time ;-)
[19:49]  * Nightrose has got too many channels already
[19:50] <Nightrose> should leave some of them, really
[19:50] <apachelogger> jpatrick: she's prefering to talk about the more RL related stuff in the german team channel ;-)
[19:50] <Nightrose> :P yea
[19:50] <jpatrick> apachelogger: aha
[19:51] <jpatrick> jussi01: you on hardy?
[19:51] <jussi01> jpatrick: depends, sometimes... but on gutsy mostly
[19:52] <jpatrick> jussi01: coult you test semantik for me while you wait?
[19:52] <jpatrick> could*
[19:52] <jussi01> jpatrick: on gutsy?
[19:52] <jpatrick> jussi01: hardy :)
[19:53] <apachelogger> backport!
[19:53] <jussi01> jpatrick: hmmm, Id need to reboot...
[19:53] <jussi01> so no, not right _now_ sorry
[19:54] <jpatrick> jussi01: no problems, I just need to know if the package actually, erm, works
[19:54]  * jpatrick had to add several patchs to get it to build
[19:54] <apachelogger> Finished:  	 59 seconds ago  (took eight minutes
[19:54] <apachelogger> muhahahahaha
[19:54] <jpatrick> seltsam
[19:57] <apachelogger> jussi01: gutsy buidls in my ppa
[19:57] <apachelogger> hardy building right now
[19:57] <jussi01> apachelogger: great! (lazyness get the better of me, link?)
[19:58] <apachelogger> no :P
[19:58] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eapachelogger/+archive
[20:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/m4f42318a
[21:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://www.lydiapintscher.de/tmp/ksniffer.diff
[21:16] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it is a new upstream release, isn't it?
[21:16] <Nightrose> it is - didn´t I tell you? ;-)
[21:16] <apachelogger> nope
[21:16] <apachelogger> plus, I saied, hopefully, only a debdiff if it isn't a new upstream release :P
[21:17] <Nightrose> oO ;-)
[21:17] <Nightrose> apachelogger: revu?
[21:18] <apachelogger> no
[21:18] <apachelogger> well
[21:18] <apachelogger> I can't find a proper howto :P
[21:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: usually you would attach the diff.gz to a LP bug  or - IMHO even better, create an interdiff
[21:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: (LP:#195827) <-- whitespace before # plz
[21:19] <Nightrose> k
[21:19] <apachelogger> hm, that was everthing Oo
[21:20] <Nightrose> :P
[21:20] <apachelogger> ok, now I want the diff.gz :P
[21:20] <apachelogger> there must be more to update
[21:20] <Nightrose> k rebuilding and attaching to bugreport
[21:27] <jussi01> apachelogger: hmmm, how do i use this?
[21:28] <ScottK2> apachelogger: I thought we gave up on interdiff.
[21:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: bug #195827 has got an attachment for you ;-)
[21:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195827 in ksniffer "[needs update] ksniffer needs update to version 0.3.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195827
[21:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes, that's why I saied diff.gz first ;-)
[21:34] <apachelogger> still I think interdiff is reasonable sometimes
[21:39] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: there is something wrong with this diff
[21:40] <Nightrose> meh :/ what?
[21:42] <apachelogger> well
[21:42] <apachelogger> hold on
[21:42] <apachelogger> maybe my ark just br0ke something
[21:42] <apachelogger> since I broke ark, ark tends to break stuff ;-)
[21:42] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you check for copyright updates?
[21:43] <apachelogger> like some 2008 copyrights
[21:44] <Nightrose> hmm nope - will check
[21:44] <Nightrose> what is the best way to do that?
[21:44] <apachelogger> grep for 2008 I'd say :)
[21:45] <Nightrose> hehe ok
[21:45] <jpatrick> grep "Copyright" *
[21:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: If you build the .deb and then use debc that'll show you most of what I tend to use ark for in reviewing a package.
[21:45] <ScottK> jpatrick: grep -i even.
[21:45] <ScottK> grep -ir for bonus points.
[21:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: building the deb from just a diff.gz might take longer than starting ark twice :)
[21:46] <apachelogger> good suggestion though
[21:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: Also less will display a diff.gz.
[21:46] <jpatrick> I once saw a funny: for files in dirs; less $file 15 >> ../debian/copyright; end in -motu
[21:46] <Riddell> gar, oversized i386
[21:47] <apachelogger> jpatrick: that would make maintaining quite easy :D
[21:48] <jpatrick> apachelogger: I forgot what the real command was tho..
[21:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maintainer needs to change .... current maintainer gets 'XSBC-Original-Maintainer:' as tag, new maintainer is 'Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>'
[21:49] <Nightrose> k
[21:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: current standards version is 3.7.3 (see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or package debian-policy)
[21:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: in hardy homepage is an own tag right under Standards-Version, please place it there and remove it from the long description
[21:51] <Nightrose> k
[21:51] <jpatrick> bonsoir raphink
[22:08]  * Riddell hugs yuriy 
[22:09] <jjesse> yay yurriy
[22:11]  * yuriy hugs Riddell and jjesse
[22:11] <yuriy> any mods for kubuntu-users? my message got moderated
[22:13]  * jpatrick hugs yuriy and informs the guys in #kubuntu
[22:14] <Riddell> yuriy: not in the moderation queue
[22:15] <Riddell> yuriy: try re-sending
[22:16] <fdoving> Riddell: my up2date qt4.4 (untested), will become available at http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/qt4.4/ in a while. currently uploading. feel free to put it into your ppa.
[22:18] <jpatrick> Riddell: could you bump my access in #kubuntu to 25? Need it for the "set" command.
[22:21] <Riddell> fdoving: great!
[22:21] <Riddell> jpatrick: what does that do?
[22:23] <jpatrick> Riddell: basically set one of these messages: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57522/
[22:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: I don't understand
[22:25] <jpatrick> Riddell: /msg ChanServ help set entrymsg - basically it
[22:25] <ryanakca> jpatrick: shouldn't Kubuntu have its own entry message? (instead of ripping one off another channel) ?
[22:26] <jpatrick> ryanakca: I thought one like the #ubuntu one might help ;-)
[22:28] <ryanakca> ;-)
[22:34] <Riddell> jpatrick: right, but what do you need to change and why?
[22:35] <jpatrick> Riddell: it doesn't matter :)
[22:42] <_StefanS_> evening
[22:42] <_StefanS_> anyone know where the background for the moodin-ksplash is?
[22:43] <jpatrick> _StefanS_: /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/
[22:43] <_StefanS_> jpatrick: thanks ;)
[22:43] <Riddell> /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/
[22:44] <crimsun_> nixternal: you mentioned that feisty was the last time mmkeys functioned as expected OOTB?
[22:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is the current one cached somewhere? I can get it to change
[22:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: really odd.. the symlink point to the correct image also.
[22:45] <jpatrick> _StefanS_: bug #129126
[22:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129126 in ksplash-engine-moodin "moodin caches themes in user directory" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129126
[22:45] <_StefanS_> heh
[22:45] <_StefanS_> right then.
[22:45] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes
[22:45] <_StefanS_> recompile it is.
[22:45] <Riddell> it's not compiled
[22:45] <_StefanS_> no?
[22:45] <Riddell> ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/kubuntu/
[22:46] <_StefanS_> ah yep
[22:46] <Riddell> patches welcome for a sensible way to detect that the cache is out of date
[22:47] <_StefanS_> yes.. I wonder how to do that actually since it converts the image to png
[22:47] <_StefanS_> someday maybe :)
[22:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: anyways, I've prepared some screenshots of hardy, the way I would want it to look: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/
[22:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its qtcurve + crystal w/new buttons + other wallpaper, and a little darker titlebars
[22:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksniffer/+bug/195827 - next try ;-)
[22:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195827 in ksniffer "[needs update] ksniffer needs update to version 0.3.2" [Undecided,New]
[22:59] <yuriy> _StefanS_: eeeek :P
[23:00] <_StefanS_> yuriy: what parts are eek ? :)
[23:00] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it's all artwork to me, convince kwwii :)
[23:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: right.
[23:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will.
[23:00] <yuriy> the titlebar buttons (the current hardy ones are very nice though last i checked) and the menu hilight and the scrollbars
[23:01] <_StefanS_> yuriy: too dark borders?
[23:01] <yuriy> _StefanS_: yeah i think that describes it well
[23:01] <_StefanS_> yuriy: whats wrong with the scrollbars?
[23:01] <_StefanS_> yuriy: too light?
[23:01] <yuriy> but also i rather like polyester. and of course been using just oxygen for the past month and a half..
[23:02] <yuriy> _StefanS_: overall i guess the style looks to much like keramik to me
[23:02] <_StefanS_> yuriy: but the shadow on the titlebar is nice, dont you think ?
[23:02] <yuriy> what shadow?
[23:02] <_StefanS_> yuriy: text on the titlebars
[23:03] <yuriy> oh, yes
[23:03] <_StefanS_> yuriy: enhances readability alot compared to now I think
[23:03] <_StefanS_> yuriy: I not all that pro glass, but I didnt want to change it completely
[23:03] <_StefanS_> yuriy: I/I'm
[23:08] <_StefanS_> wel.. good night
[23:26] <Nightrose> Riddell: KSniffer update done and reviewed by Harald - will bug him about it again tomorrow (think he went to sleep already)
[23:59] <nixternal_> anyone feel like teaching me all about database normalization, multivalue dependencies, 1NF, 2NF, 3NF, 4NF, BCNF?
[23:59] <nixternal_> this stuff is totally stupid
[23:59]  * Nightrose was forced to learn it a year ago and hated it