[00:00] <PRODIM> and know usingf live ubuntu for talk  with you
[00:00] <storbeck> So the LiveCD works fine, but the install got messed up?
[00:00] <PRODIM> yes
[00:00] <storbeck> Ohh Okay.
[00:00] <PRODIM> live ubuntu ( i take it at 2004)
[00:00] <nareshov> oh
[00:00] <ubuntu> kisi
[00:00] <PRODIM> i installed kubuntu because i want kde ubuntu :)
[00:04] <mkquist> well if it works on live cd then it should work on hd install... so somethings screwed up in the xorg.conf i would think
[00:05] <mkquist> PRODIM: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but pick vesa or vga and see if you screen works... even at a lower resolution
[00:06] <PRODIM> ok
[00:06] <mkquist> PRODIM: you can always put it back if it doesnt help =p
[00:06] <PRODIM> i will use vga and 640x480
[00:06] <PRODIM> :D
[00:06] <PRODIM> ok mkquist
[00:07] <PRODIM> i will pay all beers for you :P
[00:08] <PRODIM> i will take u to a good pub :P
[00:08] <PRODIM> i am trying
[00:08] <PRODIM> reboot my sexy ubutnu  yes!
[00:08] <PRODIM> :D
[00:08] <K`zan> Hi Folks, I am trying to install the 6.06.2 server and I want to put KDE on it and whatever I tried last night got me pieces and parts, what should I apt-get install to get KDE?
[00:09] <jussi01> K`zan: kubuntu-desktop
[00:09] <jcgkffycs> any one have any knowledge about using davfs2 to mount webdav as a virtual fs? I keep getting the error "GSSAPI authentication error (Unspecified GSS failure.  Minor code may provide more information: No credentials cache found)" ive tried to google it but I havn't found anything.
[00:09] <mrunagi> !ISO
[00:09] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[00:10] <K`zan> jussi01: Thank you sir, I'll do that and perhaps it will straighten it all out :-).  Much appreciated!
[00:11] <jussi01> K`zan: you are welcome :)
[00:11] <mrunagi> what do i do with a .c file
[00:11] <jp> jp
[00:11] <K`zan> Heh, whatever I did last night got me an "Out of range" on the monitor and I can't switch consoles either, may have to start all over from scratch :-(.
[00:11] <nareshov> mrunagi: compile, run ?
[00:12] <K`zan> No ssh access either, sigh, boot CD time :=/.
[00:12] <mrunagi> how do you compile a .c file
[00:13] <K`zan> cc file.c -o file
[00:14] <deuryte> help!!!!!!!!          need to know if there is or are "commands" that bring kde back to default settings / almost like restoring to and earlier date,  i installed gaurddog, and a portsniffing program, and while surfing it eventually quit accessing the web. it dials in, but wont acces a single page.....
[00:14] <mrunagi> then what do i do with the output file
[00:14] <Oloughlin75> deuryte, no
[00:15] <deuryte> Oloughlin75: what can i do?
[00:15] <mrunagi> this is so confusing
[00:15] <jussi01> mrunagi: what is it for?
[00:15] <nareshov> mrunagi: chmod +x that-file; ./that-file
[00:15] <mrunagi> bin2iso
[00:16] <mrunagi> do i need to make /.that-file?
[00:16] <Oloughlin75> deuryte, whats guardog for?
[00:16] <mrunagi> ok then what
[00:16] <Oloughlin75> the kernal has built in firewall support
[00:17] <mrunagi> ??
[00:18] <K`zan> Figured it out :-)!
[00:18] <mrunagi> wish i could figure it out
[00:18] <K`zan> Is there a special channel for the ubuntu server?
[00:19] <stansmith> mrunagi sup dude
[00:19] <tekteen> K`zan: #ubuntu is for server and desktop
[00:19] <stansmith> !ubuntu-server | K`zan
[00:19] <ubotu> K`zan: Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support
[00:19] <tekteen> oh
[00:20] <mrunagi> what kind of server
[00:20] <stansmith> a patchy? LOL
[00:20] <mrunagi> server for webpages?
[00:20] <tekteen> lol
[00:21] <stansmith> thats how apache got its name you know
[00:21] <stansmith> it was "a patchy" web server
[00:21] <mrunagi>  i dunno much about apache
[00:21] <deuryte> Oloughlin75: i found it in add/remove  it was to enhanvce and give firewall more options, which i removed, the other wasthis "  Pnscan is a multi threaded port scanner that can scan a large network very quickly. If does not have all the features that nmap have but is much faster."//  which i am unable to access or see.
[00:22] <Oloughlin75> !firewall | deuryte
[00:22] <ubotu> deuryte: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[00:22] <stansmith> hey guys, im having trouble running xeyes
[00:22] <mrunagi> am i the only one that doesnt worry about firewalls?
[00:22] <Oloughlin75> deuryte, use IPTables and I would remove al lblocked ports/IPs
[00:22] <stansmith> i dont, but i prob should
[00:22] <mrunagi> eh
[00:23] <deuryte> Oloughlin75:  i have firestarter already but thought gaurdog would help even more, this is what it said.........Guarddog is a firewall configuration utility for KDE. It is aimed at two groups of users: novice to intermediate users who are not experts in TCP/IP networking and security, and those users who don't want the hassle of dealing with cryptic shell scripts and ipchains/iptables parameters.
[00:23] <Wasserstoff> I will give you
[00:23] <stansmith> Oloughlin75 gone
[00:24] <storbeck> iptables > *
[00:24] <stansmith> asterisk?
[00:24] <mrunagi> if i go to school for computer engineering will they teach me web servers?
[00:24] <ublongata> hey i have libqca2-dev installed, it comes with a .pc file but pkg-config doesn't find it. wtf??
[00:24] <stansmith> mrunagi, maybe
[00:24] <deuryte> anyone know how i do this -->>   use IPTables and I would remove al lblocked ports/IPs
[00:24] <mrunagi> says i specialize in mcse or cisco
[00:24] <stansmith> they will prob introduce it, its up to you to really learn it
[00:24] <tekteen> mrunagi: I do not think so
[00:25]  * stansmith devry graduate 2007
[00:25] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75» join #ubuntu-youth:)
[00:25] <storbeck> lol devry
[00:25] <stansmith> devry really aint that bad, they have the resources for you to use...but its possible to pass without ever using them
[00:25] <stansmith> they pass a lot of retards
[00:26] <deuryte> oloughlin75  how do i do this??--->   use IPTables and I would remove al lblocked ports/IPs
[00:26] <oloughlin75> deuryte: "man iptables" and learn how
[00:26] <stansmith> hello, devry graduate here, im having trouble running xeyes.  can i ask a question on how to fix it?
[00:27] <storbeck> Why would you use xeyes? lol
[00:27] <stansmith> lol
[00:28] <Wasserstoff> here you go
[00:28] <Wasserstoff> here is your two commands
[00:28] <stansmith> LOL
[00:35] <yaoziyuan> lol
[00:35] <yaoziyuan> just formatted everything in my computer since high school
[00:35] <yaoziyuan> and installed ubuntu/kubuntu-desktop
[00:35] <yaoziyuan> a new start!
[00:37] <nosrednaekim> :)
[00:37] <Dr_willis> I used a C64 in high school.....
[00:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:37] <ibkanat> hmmm still trying to figure out b43 wifi problem help please
[00:38] <ibkanat> 6s
[00:39] <feierfox> hmmm, soon i have to install a *buntu on a laptop. i will never see this laptop again and the user are not interessted into *buntu. is kubuntu the right choise? i ask because it will not have LTS :/
[00:39] <feierfox> what would you do?
[00:39] <feierfox> personal i prefer KDE, no question
[00:40] <nosrednaekim> feierfox» well, if you are installing gutsy, neither have LTS
[00:40] <feierfox> hmm?
[00:40] <feierfox> i talk about hardy
[00:40] <feierfox> and it's a hard question for moe
[00:41] <feierfox> giving this person a kubuntu WITHOUT LTS or a ubuntu with LTS
[00:41] <feierfox> and i prefer KDE and would wish to spread it
[00:41] <Wasserstoff> then use kde
[00:41] <Wasserstoff> lts is not that big of a deal
[00:41] <Wasserstoff> for the average joe
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> feierfox» do KDE.... within 18 months they will probably want to upgrade anyway... Dell is going with Gutsy
[00:42] <feierfox> hmm, when i have installed the *buntu, i will never see this laptop again
[00:42] <feierfox> and the owner isn interessted into it
[00:43] <feierfox> so i think LTS would be much improtant
[00:43] <tekteen> feierfox: I had the same issue
[00:43] <feierfox> because the person would never do a dist-upgrade
[00:43] <tekteen> feierfox: yes the person would
[00:43] <feierfox> no
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> feierfox» you are installing Hardy NOW?
[00:43] <feierfox> never-ever :)
[00:43] <tekteen> feierfox: adept does it
[00:43] <tekteen> and tells the user about it
[00:44] <feierfox> no, in the beta stadium
[00:45] <feierfox> hmm, but if i chose kubuntu, on the next dist-upgrade the person is confronted by KDE 4 (!!!)
[00:45] <tekteen> feierfox: I am in a group that refurbs computers and ships them out with windows 2000 (for non-profits) or kubuntu (for people)
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> yes
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> and if you choose ubuntu
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> then on a dist upgrade hopefully in the near future
[00:45] <storbeck> Why are you installing Linux for someone if they have no idea how to use it?
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> the user is encountered by having to switch to kde
[00:45] <tekteen> feierfox: no the person would not get kde4
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> because gnome has finally rolled over and died
[00:45] <Wasserstoff> and god knows its about time
[00:45] <feierfox> everything looks different and this will could confusing the person
[00:46] <tekteen> feierfox: the dist upgrade would upgrade kde3
[00:46] <tekteen> I know
[00:46] <tekteen> the dist-upgrade will not install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[00:46] <feierfox> storbeck, because i think ubuntu is the right coise for people without an idea
[00:47] <Wasserstoff> feierfox: then install it..?
[00:47] <Wasserstoff> I don't see what your problem is
[00:47] <storbeck> Install Windows.
[00:47] <tekteen> I know the problem
[00:47] <feierfox> tekteen, what will a dist-upgrade install then?
[00:47] <tekteen> update kubuntu-desktop
[00:47] <tekteen> which is kde3
[00:48] <tekteen> I looked it up :-)
[00:48] <feierfox> my problem: leaving the laptop with a fresh installed LTS ubuntu or with a kubuntu (which i prefer)
[00:48] <tekteen> then go with kubuntu
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> then use it..
[00:48] <feierfox> the person who owns the laptop, isnt'interessted in it
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> ALl you will get here
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> is opinions
[00:48] <tekteen> I install kubuntu with firefox and a few other programs
[00:48] <feierfox> so he will never make a dist-upgrade
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> and I'll tel you right now
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> that in the #kubuntu channel
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> the opnion will be, use kubuntu
[00:48] <tekteen> to make it easy
[00:48] <Wasserstoff> in the #ubuntu channel, the opinion will be use ubuntu
[00:49] <Wasserstoff> and thats that
[00:49] <feierfox> so the ubuntu with LTS would be the right choise
[00:49] <feierfox> but i prefer KDE!
[00:49] <tekteen> I like kubuntu
[00:49] <feierfox> me to!
[00:49] <Wasserstoff> well
[00:49] <tekteen> I had this problem
[00:49] <Wasserstoff> sounds like you have no end to your trouble then
[00:49] <Wasserstoff> I would suggest flipping a coin
[00:49] <tekteen> I went with kubuntu and a few gnome programs
[00:49] <Wasserstoff> as it's the only non-biased way of deciding
[00:50] <feierfox> or i teach the person using dsit-upgrade
[00:50] <feierfox> BUT, the he gets KDE4!!
[00:50] <feierfox> and this will confusing him!
[00:50] <feierfox> :O
[00:50] <Wasserstoff> yep
[00:50] <Wasserstoff> sounds like a coin it is
[00:50] <tekteen> feierfox: no he will not!
[00:50] <feierfox> yes
[00:50] <Wasserstoff> ubotu: do you happen to have a coin?
[00:50] <feierfox> :/
[00:50] <tekteen> feierfox: hardy will use kde3 with a dist-upgrade
[00:50] <feierfox> what will he get then in 8.10, tekteen?
[00:51] <tekteen> KDE3
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> no
[00:51] <tekteen> oh
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> eventually it will switch to kde4
[00:51] <tekteen> yes
[00:51] <nosrednaekim> feierfox» thats a ways down the road.
[00:51] <feierfox> hardy... but waht is with the time after hardy
[00:51] <tekteen> that would be kde4
[00:51] <feierfox> i cant touch this installation anymore
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> okay
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> then use gnome
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> you can rest assured
[00:51] <tekteen> I suggest gnome
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> knowing that they will never have a major update
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> ever
[00:51] <feierfox> but its "GNOME"
[00:51]  * tekteen kicks himself
[00:51] <feierfox> JUST gnome!!
[00:51] <Wasserstoff> they are lucky to copy two features from kde every six months
[00:52] <Wasserstoff> feierfox: if we keep going in circles this is only going to get stupider
[00:52]  * tekteen kicks himself for saying use Ubuntu
[00:52] <Wasserstoff> you knew the options when you came in here
[00:52] <Wasserstoff> and you sitll know them
[00:52] <Wasserstoff> stop being redundant
[00:52] <Wasserstoff> and just decide
[00:52] <feierfox> or... i will sleep over it
[00:52]  * tekteen says that asking can not help
[00:52] <feierfox> ;/
[00:53] <tekteen> you know the pros and cons
[00:53] <tekteen> you know the choices
[00:53] <feierfox> ok, back to topic.. lets celebrate kubuntu! :]
[00:53] <tekteen> we can not make the disision
[00:53] <tekteen> decision*
[00:54] <ubuntu_> hello
[00:54] <tekteen> hi
[00:54] <feierfox> but you can give me a background for feeling myself better  in my disision
[00:54] <feierfox> decision :D
[00:54] <tekteen> feierfox: yep. that is what I thought too
[00:54] <tekteen> I came in asking the same questions a while ago
[00:55] <tekteen> :-)
[00:55] <feierfox> :]
[00:55] <feierfox> its a kind of a philosophie-question
[00:55] <feierfox> a "dilemma"
[00:56] <jeisma> how do i play dvds on kubuntu gutsy?
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> !dvd
[00:56] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[00:56] <jeisma> it says i can/cannot with libdvdcss or something like that
[00:56] <tekteen> !dvd
[00:56] <Wayfarer> !dvd
[00:56] <tekteen> wow am I slow
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> bwwhaha... I'm faster tekteen
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> XD
[00:56] <Wayfarer> Hey guys
[00:56] <Wayfarer> I don't have Sound
[00:56] <tekteen> Wayfarer in 3rd
[00:56] <feierfox> will the libdvdcss be in the repos of hardy?
[00:57] <feierfox> i guess no :/
[00:57] <tekteen> no
[00:57] <tekteen> !medibuntu
[00:57] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[00:57] <Artimus> feierfox: Medibuntu will have them...
[00:57] <Wayfarer> And i don't know where to go from here
[00:57] <feierfox> ok
[00:57] <feierfox> thanks
[00:57] <tekteen> !sound
[00:57] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[00:57] <feierfox> is the livdvdcss illegal in the US?
[00:57] <jeisma> should i still do totem even though im on kubuntu?
[00:58] <tekteen> feierfox: no
[00:58] <nosrednaekim> jeisma» you can if you want....
[00:58] <tekteen> jeisma: I like kaffiene
[00:58] <feierfox> in germany in became illegal with the change of the anti-copy-law
[00:58] <mrunagi> !print
[00:58] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[00:58] <Wayfarer> how do I check what sound card I have?
[00:58] <feierfox> "tools which are usefull to brake..."
[00:59] <feierfox> :/
[00:59] <nosrednaekim> Wayfarer» lspci, or lshw
[01:00] <Wayfarer> holy shit
[01:00] <Wayfarer> lshw says a lot
[01:00] <jeisma> so i put this into the terminal: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[01:00] <jeisma> and it said command not found
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> jeisma» did you install dvdread?
[01:01] <jeisma> yeah ti says installed in adept
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> jeisma» then try "sudo ./usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh"
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> take not of the .
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> *note
[01:02] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  use  locate install-css.sh
[01:02] <Dr_willis> and then do a 'sudo bash /path/that/locate/says' perhaps.
[01:02] <jeisma> nosrednaekim it still says command not found
[01:02] <Wayfarer> Interesting
[01:03] <Dr_willis> the location of that script has changed - and some docs have it wrong
[01:03] <jeisma> Dr_willis do that for what?
[01:03] <Wayfarer> this says I have an Intel 82801H HD Audio Controller
[01:03] <Wayfarer> I thought I had realtek...
[01:03] <Wayfarer> oh well
[01:03] <Dr_willis> that will find the proper path to  install-css.sh
[01:03] <Wayfarer> Kk, It isn't working
[01:03] <Wayfarer> lol
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> !intelHDA| Wayfarer
[01:03] <ubotu> Wayfarer: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[01:03] <david_> help, just installed kubuntu on a system and now i an getting a database locked error when trying to open adept
[01:03] <Wayfarer> oh thanks
[01:03] <Wayfarer> I got the Bot answer
[01:03] <tekteen> !adeptfix
[01:03] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> Wayfarer» you've been there before?
[01:03] <jeisma> Dr_willis what do i type in exactly to find it?
[01:03] <david_> thanks
[01:04] <jeisma> Dr_willis i typed in locate and then the name
[01:04] <tekteen> !adeptfix|david_
[01:04] <ubotu> david_: please see above
[01:04] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  use  -----------> locate install-css.sh
[01:04] <jeisma> Dr_willis all it gave was some .db file that is more than 8 days old
[01:04] <david_> got it thanks
[01:04] <tekteen> np
[01:04] <jeisma> Dr_willis yeah i did that
[01:04] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  update the locate database with 'sudo updatedb'
[01:04] <mrunagi> can anyone help me with printer sharing........the printer isnt showing up in the tree
[01:04] <david_> does that happen in every tinstall?
[01:04] <Dr_willis> locate install-css.sh
[01:04] <Dr_willis> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[01:05] <Dr_willis> sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[01:05] <Wayfarer> okay
[01:05] <Wayfarer> I have already done what the Bot wants
[01:05] <Wayfarer> and I still don't have sound
[01:05] <Wayfarer> in fact, It may be even more messed up then ever
[01:06] <jeisma> Dr_Willis what is that last line doing?
[01:06] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  its running the script
[01:06] <mrunagi> nevermind my dad didnt reshare it after installing the drivers
[01:07] <jeisma> Dr_willis well i mean is that the same line to install it?
[01:07] <jeisma> is that all i need to play dvds then on kaffeine?
[01:07] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  that is virtually identical to the command you were using earlier.. but im giving the 'sh' option - in case the script is not executable.
[01:07] <jeisma> ok thanks
[01:08] <Dr_willis> running that scriot should install the css stuff..
[01:10] <BluesKaj> dcopserver not running ?
[01:13] <Ahmuck> hi.  i just made a grave error.  i clicked through the partition editor.  i shut the system down, is there a way i can recover the old partition table?
[01:13] <ahmad> hello is there anybody who can help me install a new theme and change the appearance for gutsy gibbon?
[01:13] <storbeck> Why does everybody always think there's some magical "undo" button?
[01:13] <BluesKaj> when trying to reinstall kubuntu , kde can't communicate ... i don't get it even afterreformatting the ext3 partition without any OS on it the install disk can't communicate with dcopserver, whatever that means ?
[01:13] <Ahmuck> storbeck: there is if you know where to find it
[01:14] <storbeck> If you say so.
[01:14] <Ahmuck> ya, there is.  gparted or something will find the tables and give you an option to restore
[01:14] <Ahmuck> i've done this before, but forgotten how i did it
[01:14] <Ahmuck> i
[01:14] <Ahmuck> 'll ask in ubuntu
[01:14] <storbeck> If you say so.
[01:15] <Wayfarer> !intel HDA
[01:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:15] <Wayfarer> !intelhda
[01:15] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[01:16]  * BluesKaj waits patiently
[01:16] <Wayfarer> meh
[01:16] <Wayfarer> Sound
[01:16] <Wayfarer> I want sound
[01:16] <Wayfarer> Vista has sound
[01:17] <Wayfarer> Damn't, even LEOPARD has SOund!
[01:17] <ahmad> uboto, can you help me how to change my theme or appearance, i,m using gutsy gibbon.
[01:17] <Wayfarer> !ubotu
[01:17] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:19] <ahmad> ubotu, help me change my theme or appearance of my laptop, i'm using gutsy gibbon version.
[01:20] <PRODIM> hi
[01:20] <ubuntu_> how to mount my harddisk when running live distro 6.06.1... i dont find disk under mnt, but when i find disk under dev/disk/by-id, and try to open i konqueror i have not the rights to do that
[01:20] <PRODIM> MKQUİST
[01:20] <PRODIM> (:
[01:20] <PRODIM> mkquist:
[01:20] <PRODIM> nareshov
[01:20] <PRODIM> mkquist
[01:20] <PRODIM> are u theree
[01:21] <PRODIM> (:
[01:21] <PRODIM> I AM ON KUBUNTU!
[01:21] <PRODIM> THANKS
[01:21] <PRODIM> !
[01:21] <Wayfarer> Good!
[01:21] <Wayfarer> Do you have sound?
[01:21] <ere4si> ubuntu_: it will be under /dev/hda or similar
[01:21] <PRODIM> last question
[01:21] <PRODIM> how can i change resolution?
[01:21] <PRODIM> i see everything so big (:
[01:21] <Wayfarer> go to the "k menu"
[01:21] <PRODIM> i see everything so big (:640-480
[01:21] <PRODIM> yes
[01:21] <PRODIM> then?
[01:22] <Wayfarer> bottom left hand corner
[01:22] <Wayfarer> system settings
[01:22] <PRODIM> ok
[01:22] <Wayfarer> monitor and display
[01:22] <PRODIM> ok thanks
[01:22] <Wayfarer> no problem
[01:23] <PRODIM> ups
[01:23] <BluesKaj> PRODIM , you may need to use the admin mode to save your res changes
[01:23] <PRODIM> i have a problem
[01:23] <PRODIM> i see only
[01:23] <PRODIM> 320-240
[01:23] <PRODIM> 640-480
[01:23] <ubuntu_> no i dont have any /dev/hda.. i find the disks under /dev/disk/only but not able to open
[01:23] <PRODIM> how can i use this computer in 1024-768 mode?
[01:23] <Wayfarer> do you know your graphics card can do that?
[01:24] <Wayfarer> !resolution
[01:24] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:24] <Wayfarer> try that link
[01:24] <PRODIM> yes i use it at windows
[01:24] <PRODIM> :)
[01:25] <BluesKaj> PRODIM , did you see my post, above ?
[01:25] <ubuntu_> is it not an easy command like su mount hda1 or so...
[01:25] <PRODIM> yes BLuesKaj
[01:26] <PRODIM> i am looking the link
[01:27] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido , I'm in kubuntu limbo , got an error message when trying to reinstall after reformatting ext3 .. dcopserver not runnibg kde unable to commincate , blah blah
[01:28] <BluesKaj> kde wasn't ebn installed yet ...what gives ?
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> erm...  i have no idea -_-
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> unless you had installed kde apps
[01:28] <BluesKaj> nope
[01:29] <PRODIM> hey
[01:29] <BluesKaj> I reformatted the partition\
[01:29] <PRODIM> i cant understanding any thing
[01:29] <PRODIM> :S
[01:29] <yeltsinator> Hi, I just installed the latest updates and now whenever I login X boots me back to the login screen.
[01:30] <storbeck> !xserver
[01:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:30] <storbeck> !x
[01:30] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:30] <storbeck> Bah, can't find it
[01:31] <yeltsinator> can't find what?
[01:32] <yeltsinator> gnome is very broken on this computer so I'm hoping to be able to log back into kde....
[01:33] <tarik> i cant change my resolution
[01:33] <tarik> how can i
[01:33] <tarik> ?
[01:34] <storbeck> tarik: Have you tried?
[01:34] <tarik> yes
[01:35] <storbeck> And what happened?
[01:35] <tarik> -
[01:35] <tarik> 320-240 and 640-480
[01:35] <tarik> i see only this resolutions
[01:36] <storbeck> What graphics card?
[01:37] <tarik> s3 savage
[01:37] <tarik> and i can use 1024-768 at windows
[01:39] <storbeck> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-savage
[01:41] <tarik> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:41] <tarik> storbeck
[01:41] <tarik> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:43] <storbeck> Do you have adept or something else open?
[01:43] <tarik> ohh yes
[01:43] <tarik> ok wait
[01:43] <mrunagi_> !dpkg
[01:43] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[01:43] <mrunagi_> !lock
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <mrunagi_> dang it what is that trigger
[01:43] <TheGonk> How can I get a list of font names available to use in .Xresources?
[01:43] <storbeck> What are you trying to do?
[01:43] <mrunagi_> 1 sec
[01:43] <mrunagi_> !aptlock
[01:43] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:43] <mrunagi_> do that
[01:43] <storbeck> mrunagi_: He/She had an install manager open.
[01:43] <storbeck> No need for that.
[01:43] <tarik> server-xorg-video-savage is already the newest version.
[01:43] <tarik> i closed adept than it says taht
[01:44] <ubuntu> matzila
[01:44] <tarik> ohh
[01:44] <storbeck> Hm
[01:44] <tarik> i should say this
[01:44] <tarik> when i was installing kubuntu
[01:44] <tarik> selected
[01:44] <tarik> 640-480
[01:45] <tarik> beacuse before i dişdnt select any thing or 1024-768
[01:45] <tarik> my screen is corrupted
[01:45] <remedialjoe> Hey
[01:46] <remedialjoe> has update broken systems recently
[01:46] <remedialjoe> or is it just me
[01:46] <ere4si> an update can rewrite a conf file
[01:46] <remedialjoe> my xwindows is freezing on .. "initializing system .. "
[01:47] <storbeck> tarik, A bug has been confirmed in savage.
[01:47] <tarik> hmmm
[01:47] <tarik> i cant use this kubuntu with 1024 resoultion?
[01:47] <ere4si> remedialjoe, you may need to reinstall graphics drivers
[01:49] <storbeck> !xserver-xorg
[01:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver-xorg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:50] <remedialjoe> I have reconfigured with and without the nvidia driver i am using (nvidia-glx-new)  also tried using nvidia-glx
[01:51] <remedialjoe> how can i install the mouse for terminal
[01:52] <remedialjoe> i've re installed kubuntu already and I get the same thing upon updating/rebooting..
[01:53] <remedialjoe> And its not the update issue..  although that doesn't really look touched upon either
[01:53] <BluesKaj> !xorg.config | storbeck
[01:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xorg.config - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:53] <BluesKaj> !X
[01:53] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:54] <tarik> cant i?
[01:55] <ere4si> xorg.conf
[01:55] <remedialjoe> cannot creat /var/run/kdm/Xaccess
[01:56] <oloughlin75> remedialjoe: sudo ...
[01:57] <remedialjoe> yep
[01:58] <tarik> where is xorg.conf
[01:59] <remedialjoe>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[01:59] <ere4si> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:00] <darko> Hey everybody! ... I tried to install beryl on KUBUNTU gutsy 7.10 .. after reboot the loging screen appeared but after I put login info the screen becomes black and it gets me back to login again and again all over ... what could be the problem?
[02:00] <darko> login* screen
[02:00] <remedialjoe> when "nv" is set as the driver it tells me compatible NVIDIA X driver not found .. but when i run it with "nvidia" .. it  still quits at "initializing system services"
[02:01] <remedialjoe> but no error message..  there is an (II) message saying, Module already built in"
[02:01] <panfist> where do i configure whether icons take single or double clicks?
[02:02] <BluesKaj> this is very strange , received this message when trying to install kubuntu on a formatted ext3 partition : http://www.pastebin.ca/918347
[02:03] <darko> a
[02:03] <remedialjoe> "could not start kmserver .. please check your installation"
[02:03] <darko> a
[02:04] <BluesKaj> remedialjoe yeah, i had that earlier as well
[02:04] <remedialjoe> BluesKaj whats the deal??
[02:04] <remedialjoe> what have I done/How can I repair/avoid
[02:04] <ere4si> BluesKaj, found this - http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DCOPserver
[02:05] <BluesKaj> dunno remedialjoe , been in and out of here all day asking about it , but i'm not getting any answers
[02:05] <remedialjoe> so did you just not update/install nvidia driver?
[02:05] <remedialjoe> are you using nvidia-glx as well?
[02:05] <panfist> for zip archives, if i right click on them i have an option to extract. that option is not available for rar files even though i have installed support for rars and they work fine in ark
[02:06] <remedialjoe> panfist install rar/unrar
[02:06] <remedialjoe> and it will work from GUI...    type sudo apt-get install rar
[02:06] <remedialjoe> or search your add/remove for it
[02:07] <panfist> so should i uninstall unrar
[02:07] <remedialjoe> oh you installed unrar.. i thought that would have worked.. yah you might as well.. and see if the package rar works
[02:07] <panfist> not there
[02:07] <panfist> i just installed rar and the context menu entry is still not there
[02:08] <remedialjoe> for creating a rar or unraring .. if you are wanting to unrar .. just go ahead and extract
[02:08] <panfist> im trying to extract hundreds if not thousands of rars
[02:08] <panfist> being able to select more than one and being able to "extract here" would be nice
[02:08] <darko> does anyone know any movie player (.avi file) that supports subtitle... cuz I have separate subtitle file example subtitle.srt and ofcourse it's syncronized with movie time
[02:08] <panfist> ive tried figuring it out in the command line,
[02:09] <BluesKaj> ere4si, well thanks for the heads up but , it's too late now i, can't do anyrhing since I reformatted the partition...strange that this kde message kept re-appearing tho,http://www.pastebin.ca/918347
[02:09] <panfist> unrar * doesn't work it just matches the first file and even then it doesnt unrar it
[02:09] <remedialjoe> what shows up when you select a bunch and right click?
[02:10] <remedialjoe> you could try going into the ark or whatever the unzipp program is called.. and then selecting them all inside the program itself
[02:10] <ere4si> BluesKaj, annoying more than strange - maybe
[02:10] <darko> does anyone know any movie player (.avi file) that supports subtitle... cuz I have separate subtitle file example subtitle.srt and ofcourse it's syncronized with movie time
[02:10] <panfist> the same thing that shows up if i select 1 rar and right click, it doesnt include extract. although it does for zips. ahhh i will try to browse from within ark and see what happens
[02:10] <panfist> ark doesnt support browsing like that it seems, like winrar does
[02:10] <remedialjoe> hrmm
[02:10] <ere4si> darko: vlc works with those
[02:10] <BluesKaj> gutsy hasn't been very stable for mysetup sunce I mistakenly upgraded kde to 3.5.9 ...
[02:11] <darko> ere4si: thanks
[02:11] <ere4si> k
[02:11] <darko> as I'm new any nice download manager ?
[02:11] <remedialjoe> I'd like to revert back to 7.04 .. but 7.10 uses so much less power :(
[02:11] <panfist> well there has to be a way to manually edit the context menu right> theres no reason i cant just manuall add an association for *.rar
[02:11] <remedialjoe> panfist after updating i can't even get into GUI.. so thats about as much as I can help for now .. :/
[02:12] <panfist> did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:12] <remedialjoe> *nods
[02:12] <panfist> did you try to enable/disable the kernel framebuffer
[02:12] <ere4si> remedialjoe, tried the vesa driver from dpkg?
[02:15] <remedialjoe> freezes at "initializing system services" .. BluesKaj has had the same issue today as well
[02:15] <BluesKaj> remedialjoe , I'm gonn reinstall 7.10 , but without any language pack upgrades, that's what did me in this morning.
[02:15] <remedialjoe> hrmm.. I haven't (knowingly) installed anything like that ..
[02:15] <BluesKaj> also sticking with kde358
[02:15] <remedialjoe> but there wasn an english-locale update i think
[02:15] <remedialjoe> how do i keep 7.10 from installing 3.5.9 ?
[02:15] <BluesKaj> i think i did the knee-jerk update. I'd better be more vigilant about the adept notifire from now on.
[02:15] <BluesKaj> remedialjoe, not to worry it's optional, 358 is the default
[02:15] <remedialjoe> ere4si no i have not .. i will attempt it
[02:16] <ere4si> works all the time but the resolution can be large...
[02:16] <tarik> hey
[02:17] <tarik> i find a driver for me
[02:17] <ere4si> I always install with the ethernet cable removed
[02:17] <tarik> how can i install it
[02:17] <BluesKaj> well here goes , gonna try with another clean 7.10 install
[02:17] <remedialjoe> GL BluesKaj
[02:17] <ere4si> tarik: is it a tar.gz file?
[02:17] <tarik> i find a driver for me
[02:17] <tarik> yes
[02:18] <tarik> graphic driver
[02:18] <ere4si> tarik: unpack it and look for a readme file
[02:18] <tarik> there issnt any readme
[02:19] <remedialjoe> error locking authority file ? ./Xauthority
[02:19] <ere4si> tarik: is there a file ending in .sh?
[02:20] <tarik> itmain.sh
[02:20] <tarik> install-sh
[02:21] <panfist> where can i change the behavior of single or double clicking for items on the desktop
[02:21] <remedialjoe> vesa driver is not working..  display is all distorted .. on all resolutions from 640x480 up to 1600x1200
[02:21] <tarik> itmain.sh
[02:22] <tarik> ere4si
[02:22] <ere4si> yep
[02:23] <ere4si> in the same dir type    ./install.sh
[02:23] <tarik> name
[02:23] <tarik> src
[02:23] <tarik> folders
[02:23] <tarik> and
[02:23] <tarik> install-sh
[02:24] <tarik> not with dot
[02:24] <ere4si> tarik: the ./ means "in the same directory"
[02:24] <tarik> ok
[02:24] <tarik> install-sh file
[02:25] <ere4si> tarik: sorry - the install-sh file seems strange
[02:25] <ere4si> can you open it and read?
[02:26] <tarik> ye
[02:26] <tarik> s
[02:26] <tarik> # install - install a program, script, or datafile
[02:26] <tarik> this is the first line
[02:28] <tarik> ere4si
[02:28] <ere4si> and then?
[02:28] <tarik> so much thing
[02:28] <tarik> it seems like script
[02:29] <ere4si> wrong first line for script
[02:29] <tarik> there is makefile
[02:29] <tarik> sorry first line si like
[02:29] <ere4si> what's in the folders - and what site did you get it from?
[02:29] <tarik> #!bin/bash
[02:29] <ere4si> that's a script
[02:29] <tarik> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/xserver-xorg-video-savage/1:2.1.2-6ubuntu1
[02:29] <Dr_willis> should be #!/bin/bash  :)
[02:29] <tarik> look this
[02:29] <tarik> (:
[02:30] <tarik> you are a doctor :D
[02:30] <tarik> u know truth
[02:30] <tarik> :D
[02:30] <Dr_willis> now what you are Actually TRYING to do.. i got no clue. :)
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis» you are doctor... you must know :)
[02:30]  * Dr_willis refers nosrednaekim  to a specializt.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:31] <ere4si> tarik: rename it install.sh
[02:31] <ICM> I have followed several howtos on how to install Compiz Fusion under KDE 7.10, but no luck whatsoever. I'm running three monitors on two graphics cards, one is a dual-head Nvidia 7600GS, the other is an onboard 6150LE. Both are using the restricted driver 'nvidia', I believe, and I simply can't get compiz fusion to work. I'm just stuck. How do I enable it in KDE?
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> ICM» doesn't compiz not work with Twinview?
[02:32] <Dr_willis> icm try getting it going on one monitor/card first.. then go from there.
[02:32] <Dr_willis> Compiz does work with twinview for me - on my 8800 gts
[02:32] <Dr_willis> But thats just a single card.  2 video outs.
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> hum.
[02:33] <ICM> To be honest, I'm not sure how I have it set up. it's using Xineview or something of that sort?
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> !xinerama
[02:33] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[02:33] <ICM> Ah, yes, that is it
[02:34] <Dr_willis> twinview replaces xinerama for nvidia card ussage.
[02:34] <tarik> i am trying to change my resoloutin
[02:34] <darko> does anyone know any good download manager except downloader for X
[02:34] <Dr_willis> the 2 are 'similer' things.. but twinview is  nvidia's  variatiion. I normally do not need xinerama enabled.
[02:34] <tarik> -
[02:34] <Dr_willis> darko,  i used one called 'prozilla' (proz?) in the past.. years ago.
[02:34] <darko> does anyone know any good download manager except downloader for X - it doesn't download files from rapidshare[dot]com
[02:34] <tarik> 320-240 and 640 -480
[02:34] <tarik> i cnt make it 1024
[02:35] <darko> Dr_willis: what do u use now?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> darko» kget
[02:35] <darko> lol
[02:35] <darko> thansk
[02:35] <ere4si> tarik: in konsole -  mv -v install-sh install.sh
[02:35] <Dr_willis> darko,  i dont use any of them.
[02:35] <ICM> Dr_willis: under 'nvidia-settings' I have 'Enabled Xinerama' checked off (meaning it is enabled)
[02:35] <Dr_willis> i havent needed to use a download manager - since im no longer on dialup. :)
[02:35] <darko> nosrednaekim:  is it on kubuntu 7.10 apt-get ?
[02:35] <darko> ah lol
[02:35] <darko> :P
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> darko» oh yes :)
[02:35] <Dr_willis> ICM,  i alwyas edit the xorg.conf myself. :)
[02:35] <darko> Dr_willis: sometimes u might have to schedule or pause/resume downloads
[02:36] <ICM> I'm not that good :/
[02:36] <Dr_willis> darko,  i never do.
[02:36] <ICM> So I may just have to give up on Compiz
[02:37] <ICM> Well, how is KDE 4 working out? How stable is it? Why.. would I want to upgrade, and *can* I upgrade?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ICM» yes, you can.... its faily stable... but somewhat lacking in features
[02:37] <Dr_willis> ICM,   Option         "Xinerama" "0"
[02:37] <Dr_willis>     in xorg.conf turns OFF xine4rama
[02:38] <ICM> But why would I want it disabled, Dr_willis
[02:38] <ICM> nosrednaekim: What kind of features rae missing? :/
[02:38] <Dr_willis> ICM,  you DONT want to use xinerama WITH twinview.. its that simple. :)
[02:38] <Dr_willis> twinview supercedes xinerama
[02:38] <ICM> Dr_willis: alright.. so I can just hit the little 'X' to unchek it...
[02:38] <ICM> uncheck*
[02:38] <Dr_willis> ICM,  i have no idea what check box enables/disalbes what. :) thats why i posted the line from the xorg.conf
[02:39] <Dr_willis> is the X to 'disable' it  or 'X to enable it' :) and so on.
[02:39] <darko> nosrednaekim: any idea how to integrate kget in firefox ?
[02:39] <ICM> Well, I suppose I need to restart X.
[02:39] <ICM> Be right back (I hope)
[02:39] <Reconizer> can anyone help me please what do i do when i want to download a linux application which isnt listed in synaptic when i search for it?
[02:39] <Reconizer> nalioth
[02:39] <Dr_willis> sudo  nvidia-xconfig   --no-xinerama
[02:40] <Dr_willis> should also disable it. :)
[02:40] <Reconizer> Bruce
[02:40] <Reconizer> :-)
[02:40] <Dr_willis> ICM on a complex setup like you got - I imagien you will have to do some manual editing of the xorg.conf - Or get very lucky  with the nvidia tools.
[02:41] <nalioth> Reconizer: what's up?
[02:41] <Reconizer> can anyone help me please what do i do when i want to download a linux application which isnt listed in synaptic when i search for it?
[02:41] <Reconizer> i want to install xmind
[02:41] <Reconizer> but its not in synaptic
[02:41] <Dr_willis> use the source and cmpile it - is the normal way
[02:42] <ICM> So yes, I disabled Xinerama.
[02:42] <ICM> now KDE won't start
[02:42] <ICM> I'm.. in irssi right now
[02:42] <Dr_willis> sudo  nvidia-xconfig    --enable-all-gpus
[02:42] <Dr_willis>  
[02:42] <storbeck> xmind isn't in the repos because it cost $100
[02:43] <Dr_willis> nvidia-xconfig -A  (shows 1000+ options you can set)
[02:43] <Reconizer> Dr_willis i dont know how
[02:43] <Reconizer> :(
[02:43] <Reconizer> it has a binary tar
[02:43] <ICM> Dr_willis: --enable-all-gpus didn't work
[02:43] <remedialjoe> the the basic english language pack that is breaking kubuntu
[02:43] <ICM> couldn't honor it, as it couldn't determine the # of GPUs in this
[02:44] <ICM> You know what, why did I disable Xinerama in the first place?
[02:44] <ICM> Seriously, it was working. Compiz wasn't
[02:44] <Dr_willis> ICM,  you want to use Twinview NOT xinerama.
[02:44] <ICM> Alright, then how the hell do I actually get KDE to start
[02:44] <ICM> You keep telling me I want to use twinview not xinerama but not why
[02:44] <raoman> i need help. my adept manager is not working.......
[02:44] <Dr_willis> nvidia-xconfig  --twinview           to enable twniview
[02:45] <Dr_willis> ICM,  i said earlier that twinview supercedes xinerams
[02:45] <Dr_willis> IT replaces it.. its Nvidias replacement for it..
[02:45] <remedialjoe> http://pastebin.com/d5fa6a2f6  <--  Packages breaking update right now
[02:45] <ICM> May I attempt to restart X now, Dr_willis ?
[02:45] <Dr_willis> ICM,  go for it. :)
[02:45] <ICM> actually, I'm not sure how one does that, without x actually running
[02:45] <ICM> >_<
[02:45] <Dr_willis> try 'startx'
[02:45] <ICM> because that makes too much sense, forgot about that
[02:46] <ICM> Fatal Server Error: No Screens Found
[02:46] <Dr_willis> it might of been a good idea to backup your original xorg.conf first. also.
[02:46] <storbeck> !xorg
[02:46] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:46] <ICM> a.. bit late
[02:46] <Dr_willis> there may be backups allready in the /etc/X11 dir
[02:46] <ICM> Alright... but um...
[02:46] <ICM> What do I do now
[02:47] <Dr_willis> jot down this "if all else fails' --->   #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:47] <Dr_willis> that is the 'lets start over and reconfigure X' command. :)
[02:47] <remedialjoe> -phigh   ?
[02:47] <robert__> good!
[02:47] <ICM> Are you kidding me
[02:47] <ICM> I don't have the time for this
[02:48] <remedialjoe> yea thats what i'm saying
[02:48] <ICM> I mean... Seriously
[02:48] <Dr_willis> reenable xinerama then. and it may get ya back working.
[02:48] <Dr_willis> You are trying to do a complex thing. with 2 cards.
[02:48] <storbeck> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:48] <ICM> Works perfectly well in Windows
[02:48] <Dr_willis> I have spent many an hr reading the nvidia readmes and docs..
[02:48] <Dr_willis> ICM,  and that proves very little.
[02:48] <remedialjoe> yah XP is far superior man
[02:49] <storbeck> lol @ XP is superior
[02:49] <remedialjoe> they have thousands of developers getting paid
[02:49] <remedialjoe> to make things work
[02:49] <Dr_willis> more time reading,learning.
[02:49] <remedialjoe> vs ubuntu breaking monthly
[02:49] <MimmoX> hi everyone
[02:49] <Dr_willis> remedialjoe,  and some times it actually does work! :)
[02:49] <storbeck> No, Ubuntu doesn't break.
[02:49] <storbeck> The USER breaks it.
[02:49] <remedialjoe> no xp always worked for me
[02:49] <remedialjoe> i just liked the idea of free software
[02:49] <Dr_willis> Xp wouldent even boot on my laptop.
[02:49] <remedialjoe> wow .. horrible laptop?
[02:49] <remedialjoe> how old is that
[02:49] <Dr_willis> and there was nothing i could do to 'force' it to boot.
[02:50] <ICM> Dr_willis: you're far better wtih configuring X than I am
[02:50] <Dr_willis> it was  brand new one. had vista.. whiped out vista.
[02:50] <remedialjoe> that's the most rediculous thing i've heard of.. unless your disc/ drive is broken
[02:50] <ICM> ~_~
[02:50] <Dr_willis> ICM,  yes.. and ive spent many an hr working with xorg.conf files and manually tweaking twinview settings.
[02:50] <ICM> Well I don't have "many an hr"
[02:50] <remedialjoe> no kidding
[02:50] <ICM> the only way at this rate is to reinstall Kubuntu
[02:51] <Dr_willis> ICM,  check /etc/X11/ for a backup of xorg.conf OR use that command i noted earlier to totally reconfigure X.
[02:51] <remedialjoe> good luck updating 7.10 right now
[02:51] <Dr_willis> reinstalling is overkill and 'windows' thinking.
[02:51] <ICM> there are various configs, no clue which one is the correct one
[02:51] <storbeck> ICM, do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:51] <storbeck> and be done with it
[02:52] <Dr_willis> using 2 seperate video cards - can be a real real real big pain.
[02:52] <remedialjoe> with linux*
[02:52] <Dr_willis> 1 video card with 2+ outputs is much easier.
[02:52] <ICM> storbeck: What will that do?
[02:52] <storbeck> It will reconfigure your xorg
[02:52] <ICM> Dr_willis: I don't have all the f'n money in the world, alright, this worked
[02:52] <storbeck> Set it back to defaults.
[02:52] <remedialjoe> ICM: I agree with storbeck even tho i'm bashing linux right now
[02:52] <ICM> heh, 'bashing linux'
[02:52] <ICM> anyway
[02:53] <Dr_willis> its more of 'ranting and rambling'  :)
[02:53] <remedialjoe> it will take 3 minutes
[02:53] <ICM> storbeck: so my work is... gone
[02:53] <raoman> im using kubuntu 7.10 n i'm facing problems updating n my external drives wudn't mount either. does the same happen   with kubuntu 6.10??- need some advice guys....
[02:53] <remedialjoe> ICM:  not at all  just run what storbek says and it will re configure you xserver to run again
[02:53] <mrunagi_> is there any way to get mounting an iso act like mounting an actual disk and sit on the desktop and in storage media?
[02:53] <Dr_willis> work is gone? this isent windows...
[02:53] <storbeck> It doesn't format your computer.
[02:53] <mrunagi_> raoman: are they ntfs?
[02:53] <storbeck> It just reconfigures your X
[02:53] <Dr_willis> mrunagi_,  ive used the  fuseiso tool to get them there..
[02:53] <Dr_willis> !info fuseiso
[02:53] <ICM> That's not what I meant, I meant in terms of positioning monitors and such >_<
[02:53] <ubotu> fuseiso (source: fuseiso): FUSE module to mount ISO filesystem images. In component universe, is optional. Version 20070507-1 (gutsy), package size 20 kB, installed size 92 kB
[02:54] <mrunagi_> cool ill try that Dr_willis
[02:54] <ICM> if TwinView is so great, why is it not working, eh?
[02:54] <storbeck> ICM, what would you rather have? No X, or a default X?
[02:54] <remedialjoe> ICM:  Yes .. unless you can find a backup xorg.conf .. there *should be one
[02:54] <ICM> I'm trying to find the command in my scrollback
[02:54] <ICM> xD
[02:54] <mrunagi_> raoman: ?
[02:54] <Dr_willis> ICM,  go read the twinview docs befor ranting about twinview. is a good idea. There may be some options for 2 seperate video cards that ive not used.
[02:54] <raoman> mrunagi: yup... but they worked fine whien i used 7.10 (genome)
[02:55] <remedialjoe> icm nano bash_history
[02:55] <ICM> "may be" -_-
[02:55] <mrunagi_> raoman: what happens when you plug them in
[02:55] <Dr_willis> by using xinerama - instead of twinview - you will be loseing some features. Such as windows try ingto maxamize across both monitors. (i recall that being a big issue), and proberly other ones as well.
[02:55] <raoman> mrunagi: nuthing pops up until i re-boot my system
[02:56] <mrunagi_> and when you manually mount them?
[02:56] <remedialjoe> should i stay or should i upgrade ... *sings..  Should i stay or should I upppgraaade
[02:56] <ICM> Dr_willis: I don't give a crap about that feature
[02:56] <remedialjoe> *guitar rif
[02:57] <mrunagi_> Dr_willis: what is iocharset?
[02:57] <ICM> different monitors that are on different levels in terms of height in comparison to one another
[02:57] <Dr_willis> mrunagi_,  dosent sound familer to me.
[02:57] <raoman> mrunagi: i havent tried it man, im still new to linux, im not gud at it. how do i do it anyway?
[02:57] <remedialjoe> ICM: Sounds like you have quite the control center there.. have you heard of "synergy"
[02:57] <mrunagi_> what was the string you would type to mount an iso with fusio
[02:58] <ICM> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org is what I'm about to try, per storbeck's recommendation
[02:58] <remedialjoe> ICM:  Unrelated.. but runs on windows/mac/linux ..  lets you mouse/keyboard work between all machines networked
[02:58] <ICM> remedialjoe: yes, I use it.
[02:58] <remedialjoe> =D
[02:58] <remedialjoe> slick
[02:58] <remedialjoe> hmm
[02:59] <Dr_willis> synergy - is a handy tool to rember. :)
[02:59] <raoman> mrunagi: /dev/sda1 ...?
[03:00] <remedialjoe> i'm scared to upgrade the latest language packs.. i'm afraid kmserver won't start again
[03:00] <mrunagi_> Dr_willis: i installed and used fuseiso but it didnt sit on the desktop or in storage media
[03:00] <ICM> storbeck: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
[03:00] <remedialjoe> is there an equivalent of windows' "restore point" feature ?
[03:00] <mrunagi_> remedialjoe: yea
[03:01] <ICM> nevermind, typo
[03:01] <mrunagi_> !keep | remedialjoe
[03:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keep - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:01] <mrunagi_> wow ok
[03:01] <ICM> storbeck: it tells me that xserver-org isn't installed :/
[03:01] <mrunagi_> its called keep
[03:01] <remedialjoe> awesome.. ty
[03:01] <Dr_willis> mrunagi_,  no idea there. I normally just mount the thing manually. I thought it showed an icon on my desktop.
[03:01] <storbeck> Heh
[03:01] <ere4si> !info keep
[03:01] <ubotu> keep (source: keep): backup system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.0-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 202 kB, installed size 1156 kB
[03:01] <ICM> something tells me, that's... um.. quite a problem
[03:01] <Dr_willis> mrunagi_,  but i normally keep all icons off the desktop
[03:02] <mrunagi_> id be fine if it was just in storage media
[03:02] <storbeck> xorg
[03:02] <storbeck> not org
[03:02] <remedialjoe> Is this going to backup links?
[03:02] <Dr_willis> mrunagi_,  thats a special feature of the file manager. kioslave. Not sure how to make anything else show up there.
[03:02] <remedialjoe>  i'm looking at keep.. do i just set "/" as the folder i want.. and if i do that.. will it decide to backup my external media mounts?
[03:02] <remedialjoe> or will it just show them as dead links
[03:03] <Dr_willis> "if all else fails' --->   #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:03] <storbeck> ICM, you have to sudo when using dpkg-reconfigure
[03:03] <Dr_willis> with or without the -phigh :)
[03:03] <ICM> I did, I'm doing it now
[03:03] <storbeck> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:03] <ICM> but I have absolutely no clue what I'm doing.
[03:03] <remedialjoe> just keep hitting yes
[03:03] <remedialjoe> until the emultate 3 button mouse
[03:03] <remedialjoe> and then up until "save file"
[03:03] <remedialjoe> lol
[03:04] <remedialjoe> do i have to exclude /dev and /media  and others? with keep?
[03:04] <ICM> storbeck: Well, I went through it. Now what?
[03:04] <remedialjoe> startx
[03:04] <storbeck> ^
[03:04] <mrunagi_> does anyone know of any emulators for .iso in kubuntu?
[03:04] <ICM> wouldn't it be wise to do /etc/init.d/kdm restart ?
[03:05] <remedialjoe> its not started?
[03:05] <storbeck> ICM, if it makes you happy. Sure
[03:05] <ICM> I have no clue
[03:05] <ICM> Fatal Server Error: no screens found
[03:05] <ICM> I'm going to cut my losses and reinstall.
[03:05] <mrunagi_> ICM: dont do that
[03:05] <remedialjoe> uhm
[03:05] <Dr_willis> OR look for a backed up xorg.conf file
[03:05] <mrunagi_> ICM:  stop!
[03:05] <ICM> I did, Dr_willis .
[03:06] <mrunagi_> no no man startx see what it says
[03:06] <Dr_willis> but its work time for me.. good luck.
[03:06] <remedialjoe> are you using nvidia driver?
[03:06] <remedialjoe> you may have to set the driver back to "nvidia" instead of "nv"
[03:06] <mrunagi_> start x should tell him why
[03:07] <remedialjoe> no screens found * ?
[03:07] <ICM> yes.
[03:08] <storbeck> no screens founds means that you don't have the right drivers for your chipset
[03:08] <storbeck> copy /var/log/Xorg.0.log in pastebin
[03:09] <ICM> used 'nv' this time
[03:09] <ICM> insteda of 'nvidia'
[03:10] <remedialjoe> ICM:  have you updated recently?
[03:10] <remedialjoe> i'm not saying you should
[03:10] <remedialjoe> !
[03:10] <remedialjoe> i am just wondering.. cause updating seems to break my xorg ATM
[03:11] <ICM^> remedialjoe: I did what you said, but backwards (using 'nv' instead of 'nvidia')
[03:11] <remedialjoe> ICM did this get you back into x?
[03:12] <ICM^> yes
[03:12] <remedialjoe> hoorah
[03:12] <ICM^> though I did get the error (EE) Failed to initialize GLX Extension (compatible nvidia X driver not found)
[03:12] <remedialjoe> yah that is what i am getting right now
[03:12] <remedialjoe> right when its .. "initializing system services"
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> probably a borked kernel module...
[03:12] <remedialjoe> no
[03:12] <ICM^> well, it's just in the VT
[03:12] <remedialjoe> its the latest language pack update
[03:12] <ICM^> doesn't affect anything
[03:12] <remedialjoe> oh you were able to get in?
[03:12] <remedialjoe> fully?
[03:12] <ICM^> yes
[03:12] <remedialjoe> right on
[03:13] <ICM^> except I don't have my other monitors
[03:13] <remedialjoe> that sucks
[03:13] <ICM^> I'll have to reconfigure them
[03:13] <ICM^> I hope twinview is a package.
[03:13] <remedialjoe> i think its built into xorg .. and is just an xorg.conf option .. but i'm not 100%
[03:13] <ICM^> oh, of course it isn't
[03:13] <storbeck> Try pressing ctrl + alt + backspace
[03:14] <ICM^> that broke it
[03:14] <ICM^> it certainly stopped
[03:14] <ICM^> but didn't restart
[03:14] <storbeck> Hrm
[03:14] <remedialjoe> type startx again
[03:14] <remedialjoe> but like
[03:14] <remedialjoe> it will *restart instead of quit when you reboot
[03:14] <remedialjoe> but you are in singal user mode right now
[03:14] <ICM^> I'm rebooting my system right now
[03:14] <remedialjoe> or something like that
[03:15] <remedialjoe> *hopes it goes into xwindows for ya
[03:15] <ICM^> heh
[03:15] <ICM^> grrr
[03:15] <remedialjoe> i'm gonna update and see if it is this new locales package..
[03:15]  * ICM^ hits 'boot from first hard disk' >_<
[03:15] <remedialjoe> lol
[03:15] <ICM^> I still have an install disc in the drive
[03:15] <ICM^> though I may reinstall anyway, just because I've had it installed for a day
[03:15] <ICM^> and already, I screwed so much up
[03:15] <storbeck> Note: NV is not Nvidia
[03:16] <ICM^> Nvidia > NV
[03:16] <ICM^> that's as far as I know
[03:16] <ICM^> well, storebe, remedialjoe, it booted and went into KDE
[03:16] <ICM^> (yay?)
[03:16] <remedialjoe> you are further along then i am ICM
[03:16] <remedialjoe> :/
[03:17] <ICM^> I think I may give up on Compiz
[03:17] <ICM^> which is complete crap because I totally want it :/
[03:17] <remedialjoe> uhm
[03:17] <remedialjoe> icm
[03:17] <remedialjoe> yo
[03:17] <remedialjoe> what you can try is
[03:17] <remedialjoe> add another user
[03:17] <remedialjoe> and play with it on there
[03:17] <remedialjoe> so it doesn't effect your main user
[03:18] <storbeck> Have you run, nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals ?
[03:18] <remedialjoe> until you get it down pat and can implement
[03:18] <ICM^> heh
[03:18] <ICM^> storbeck: no
[03:18] <ICM^> and should I be using the 'nvidia' drivers now?
[03:18] <storbeck> Well if you want to get back on nvidia
[03:18] <storbeck> I'm pretty sure you need to run that to use compiz on nvidia
[03:20] <ICM^> alright, I have to restart the X server
[03:20] <ICM^> control+alt+backspace?
[03:20] <ICM^> Let us hope this works
[03:20] <storbeck> Yes
[03:21] <ICM^> Well, KDE still loads
[03:21] <ICM^> oh crap
[03:21] <remedialjoe> initializing system services?
[03:21] <ICM^> it's doing that really messed up resolution crap
[03:21] <remedialjoe> oh
[03:21] <remedialjoe> you will have to run nvidia-settings
[03:21] <ICM^> where you have to move your mouse to the edge of the screen
[03:21] <remedialjoe> sudo nvidia-settings
[03:21] <ICM^> ... I also don't have a cursor
[03:21] <remedialjoe> ...
[03:21] <ICM^> I have one, but it's transparent
[03:22] <ICM^> I had this problem on this computer in gnome on Gentoo, KDE on Gentoo, Gnome on Ubuntu.. not now
[03:22] <ICM^> and no one (After spending nine hours asking people) could figure it out
[03:22] <ICM^> Looks like it is time for a reinstall
[03:22] <Reconizer> how do i install konversation through konsole?
[03:22] <remedialjoe> sudo apt-get install konversation
[03:22] <Reconizer> why the sudo?
[03:23] <remedialjoe> root access for apt-get
[03:23] <storbeck> Reconizer: Try doing it without sudo
[03:23] <storbeck> See what happens
[03:23] <remedialjoe> sudo = do as root
[03:24] <Reconizer> thanks
[03:24] <ICM^> Guys, thanks for your help
[03:24] <ICM^> I'm going to reinstall Kubuntu in a few days
[03:24] <Reconizer> yw icewater1an
[03:24] <Reconizer> ICM^
[03:24] <Reconizer> ICM^ 10 dollars please
[03:24] <Reconizer> how can i install kde4?
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[03:24] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[03:24] <storbeck> You don't want kde4
[03:24] <Reconizer> and does kde4 have a new alarm clock
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> not sure
[03:25] <Reconizer> i am looking for an alarm clock
[03:25] <storbeck> Wait until at least kde 4.0.2 is released.
[03:25] <Reconizer> for linux
[03:25] <remedialjoe> Reconizer: whats wrong with using a plugin for amarok?
[03:25] <storbeck> KDE 4 is still in major baby stages.
[03:25] <storbeck> You don't want it yet.
[03:25] <Reconizer> remedialjoe how does that work?
[03:25] <remedialjoe> Reconizer: you could try an amarok script/plugin .. go into amarok, go up to scripts and click get new
[03:25] <remedialjoe> there are a bunch
[03:25] <remedialjoe> some are so swet like right click look for youtube music video..  hehhe. but i'm sure there was an alarm clock plugin
[03:26] <ICM^> Thanks all, good night
[03:26] <ICM^> Reinstall Kubuntu in two days ~_~
[03:26] <remedialjoe> good luck icm .. better luck next time
[03:26] <Reconizer> i am running kubuntu on vista through co-linux btw
[03:26] <Reconizer> :o
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> bye ICM^
[03:26] <ICM^> lol, at least I gained some experience
[03:26] <ICM^> Don't blindly disable Xinerama >_>
[03:26] <ICM^> I can almost guarentee I'll be back ;-)
[03:26] <darko> does anyone know any movie player that supports subtitle files too like mv2 player for windows
[03:26] <secleinteer> hi, does anyone know if it's possible to turn the right click menu key into a modifier?
[03:26] <remedialjoe> Reconizer:  open amarok, at the top click on Tools.. then script manager
[03:26] <Reconizer> i can use every linux app now
[03:27] <Reconizer> without using a lot of resources
[03:27] <jcgkffycs> is there a way to install applications to a fake root under a users home folder?
[03:27] <remedialjoe> Reconizer: http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/FAQ#How _do_I_use_amaroK_as_an_alarm_clock.3F
[03:28] <Reconizer> remedialjoe thanks
[03:28] <remedialjoe> you may have to copy/paste that
[03:28] <storbeck> jcgkffycs: make
[03:29] <espacious_> i have an old lappy 1400 mhz 700 ram kubuntu works quite good, how would kde4 run?
[03:29] <remedialjoe> Reconizer: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23160
[03:30] <remedialjoe> Reconizer: Sorry.. i just looked.. just go back into the script manager for amarok.. and click on "get new scripts"
[03:30] <remedialjoe> its there .. called "weekalarm"
[03:31] <fignew> espacious_: KDE4 will run fine when it's ready
[03:31] <remedialjoe> welp here goes the upgrade.. will let you all know if the update on a fresh system without nvidia drivers breaks
[03:31] <remedialjoe> ;]
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> espacious_» kde4 is only using 300MB of RaM for me..so it should run fine
[03:32] <storbeck> You're going to be disappointed in kde4
[03:32] <freyyr> hey, I'm having trouble starting a kde session.  KDM loads up, but when I try to login, it reaches "Starting System Services"  and loads back to the login screen.  any ideas?
[03:32] <storbeck> The menubar is HUGE and you can't resize it.
[03:32] <freyyr> I'm currently at the console using BitchX.
[03:32] <remedialjoe> freyyr: JOIN THE CLUB
[03:32] <remedialjoe> that was me an hour ago
[03:32] <remedialjoe> you're running nvidia?
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> storbeck: some people like it, and you CAN resize it...  requires a little editing though
[03:32] <freyyr> ATi.
[03:33] <remedialjoe> damn
[03:33] <remedialjoe> its the new language package
[03:33] <remedialjoe> that you just updated last
[03:33] <remedialjoe> i'm pretty sure
[03:33] <remedialjoe> i'm going through a re install right now
[03:33] <freyyr> yeah, that's what I just installed.
[03:33] <storbeck> How?
[03:33] <storbeck> I never found a configuration for it anywhere.
[03:33] <remedialjoe> freyyr: I re installed and upgraded,  that did not work
[03:33] <remedialjoe> freyyr: its broken right  now and nobody is saying boo diddly
[03:34] <freyyr> wonderful.
[03:34] <remedialjoe> so don't bother re installing unless you don't want to upgrade
[03:34] <espacious_> fignew it's not ready yet?
[03:34] <freyyr> anyone submitted a bug report yet?
[03:35] <remedialjoe> i doubt it
[03:35] <remedialjoe> if you do i will sign it
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> niiiiice
[03:35] <storbeck> Daisuke_Ido: Where is the configure file?
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> yeah... thre is proble with the lang pack...
[03:35] <freyyr> I'll do it I guess... from LYNX.
[03:35] <fignew> espacious: correct
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> there were changes committed to make it a) resizable and b) two rows
[03:35] <remedialjoe> nosrednaekim:  Does anyone have access to add that into the topic?
[03:35] <espacious> ok thanks for quick info
[03:35] <freyyr> I thought we were past this.
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> we have not gotten those changes here yet :\
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> but i knew i had seen info on the panel
[03:36] <storbeck> Hm?
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> remedialjoe» lemme see
[03:36] <freyyr> well, actually, maybe somebody else ought to submit the report.  I've only got console access right now, and i'm not too quick with lynx.
[03:36] <remedialjoe> same here
[03:36] <remedialjoe> i'm in the same position. i hope someone does
[03:36] <remedialjoe> brb
[03:36] <freyyr> kk
[03:37] <storbeck> Daisuke_Ido: Where is the configuration file?
[03:38] <bhuey> hello, I'm having problems installing a tftp package where /etc file aren't being installed that are needed. How do I fix this problem ?
[03:38] <bhuey> file=files
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> this is why I NEVER update
[03:39] <freyyr> really wish people would bugtest their packages before they go mainstream.
[03:39] <freyyr> and a lang pack...  that's going to break a LOT of installs.
[03:40] <Arwen> freyyr, tell me about it.... In Hardy, one of the devs released a "firefox-dev" package that... installs nothing.
[03:40] <Reconizer> Core 2 Duo quad
[03:41] <Reconizer> how come linux hardware isnt open source
[03:41] <freyyr> who nosrednaekim
[03:41] <freyyr> whoops
[03:41]  * Wasserstoff senses this channel has an exciting few days ahead of it
[03:41] <freyyr> hobby of mine to /who everone in a channel :P
[03:42]  * Wasserstoff grabs some popcorn and sits back and watches
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> Wasserstoff» lol
[03:42] <storbeck> mmm. Popcorn sounds good.
[03:42] <remedialjoe> Yep. Fresh install.. Language pack upgrades break Gutsy.
[03:43] <Wasserstoff> Welcome to the redundant train
[03:43] <Wasserstoff> choo choo
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> bleh!... no ops are answering..
[03:43] <remedialjoe> also the original upgrading glitch is still there ???
[03:43] <storbeck> !topic
[03:43] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[03:43] <storbeck> meh
[03:43] <mrunagi_> i jsut
[03:43] <Wasserstoff> It's not in the topic :)
[03:44] <storbeck> I was seeing if it would give any suggestions how to add to it.
[03:44] <freyyr> why the hell do you even need to update a friggin' language pack?  have languages magically changed since november?
[03:44] <remedialjoe> how could this not be checked
[03:44] <remedialjoe> before being "okayed"
[03:44] <freyyr> well, it's a main package.  so everyone's gonna get it.
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> remedialjoe» complain in #kubuntu-devel ;)
[03:44] <remedialjoe> same with the upgrade glitch
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> though... no-one is around there
[03:44] <Wasserstoff> mm
[03:44] <remedialjoe> which is still there, even though we are 5 betas into the next release
[03:44] <heinkel_111> oh there is major trouble on the way?
[03:44] <Wasserstoff> no, don't go there to complain
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> then you are just being annoying
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111» yeah
[03:45] <remedialjoe> lol
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> one would assume that it's a bug that was not triggered on the testing system
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> well.. yeah....
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> for whatever reason
[03:45] <remedialjoe> they only tested it once on 1 system?
[03:45] <remedialjoe> hahahahha
[03:45] <heinkel_111> maybe it is a good idea not to restart the computer for a while then,,,i got the new packages 2 hrs ago :(
[03:45] <freyyr> FOSS.  no budget, remember?
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> who knows
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> I sure don't
[03:45] <remedialjoe> heinkel_111 *nods you are too right
[03:45] <Wasserstoff> I didn't test it
[03:45]  * nosrednaekim retracts the statement to go to that other channel
[03:45] <storbeck> Or just turn off auto-install updates.
[03:46] <remedialjoe> I've already initiated my complaint in here.. no worries .. ;]
[03:46] <remedialjoe> ... storbeck  .. but i already installed.. there is no way to warn ppl
[03:46] <heinkel_111> storbeck: it wasnt auto when i got it, it was idiot ;-) I manually upgraded the language packs
[03:46] <remedialjoe> people are probably without interfaces right now
[03:46] <remedialjoe> not everyone knows how to get into bitchx
[03:46] <Wasserstoff> I'm sure if you are patient and all that it will be fixed soon :)
[03:47] <freyyr> well, it'll be good for them.  it'll be nice and retro.
[03:47] <remedialjoe> Wasserstoff Just like the initial upgrade glitch was fixed?
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> or
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> if you omgneed it now
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> Then you can uninstall the language packs
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> remedialjoe: well, maybe it won't be
[03:47] <remedialjoe> Wasserstoff Having to go into console to manually select YES or NO "
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> remedialjoe: then you can switch to gentoo
[03:47] <remedialjoe> lol
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> I heard they are much easier to use
[03:47] <Wasserstoff> and more reliable
[03:48] <remedialjoe> i've heard the opposite about being easier to use.. i'd be annoyed to have to learn another package manager after putting my faith into deb based so long
[03:48] <freyyr> this brings noglista.  we should start a MUD since we're all conna be at the CLI soon anyway.
[03:48] <remedialjoe> but.. i have no heard any reliability issues so ..
[03:48] <remedialjoe> lol fre
[03:48] <heinkel_111> MUD that sounds like old-skool text based multiplayer game?
[03:48] <remedialjoe> ... i downloaded gentoo and buntu for the re install.. used up my last blank :( .. i'm bust till tomorrow I think
[03:49] <remedialjoe> unless there is someway to revert back to the old language pack/
[03:49] <Wasserstoff> just uninstall the language packs..
[03:49] <freyyr> most likely.
[03:49] <freyyr> but I'm not a whiz with apt. so...
[03:49] <Wasserstoff> English is the standard language
[03:49] <remedialjoe> same.. that is what i am figuring out, after this smoke
[03:49] <freyyr> could try aptitude.
[03:49] <freyyr> I'll see with that.
[03:49] <Wasserstoff> I don't have the error myself, so I cannot tell you how to fix itr
[03:49] <freyyr> brb
[03:49] <remedialjoe> gl =]
[03:50] <remedialjoe> Wasserstoff you got the latest update and rebooted?
[03:50] <freyyr> actually, can I open a new TTY so I don't have to keep switching in and out of bitchx?
[03:50] <Wasserstoff> No.
[03:50] <remedialjoe> freyyr *nods
[03:50] <Wasserstoff> I don't use kde3.
[03:50] <remedialjoe> ahh
[03:50] <remedialjoe> well lucky you ;]
[03:52] <storbeck> Wow, freyyr was logged in for a long time.
[03:52] <remedialjoe> lol
[03:52] <Wasserstoff> 1 centuries?
[03:52] <Wasserstoff> l2english
[03:53] <remedialjoe> oh i think i kind of remember.. i can at least manually download the older language packs
[03:53] <storbeck> What's the website for sf.net?
[03:54] <fignew> storbeck: wait... are you kidding?
[03:54] <storbeck> Yes
[03:54] <fignew> pfew.
[03:54] <fignew> ok carry on
[03:54] <remedialjoe> hahahahahha
[03:54] <remedialjoe> oh man
[03:55] <stunatra> is it just me, or is devede really slow?
[03:55] <remedialjoe> i noticed that too.. are you using the older mplayer fix?
[03:56] <stunatra> not sure, whatever is in the repos is what I am using. (on Gutsy)
[03:56] <remedialjoe> stunatra check the devede website.. i think they have a fix
[03:56] <stunatra> 2 hours to convert to 1 DVD seems a little bit long to me lol
[03:57] <stunatra> thanks remedialjoe I will do that.
[03:57] <Arwen> hehe, encoding a DVD on a competent PC should take about 5 minutes :-P
[03:57] <remedialjoe> i could be mistaken.. but i remember having to revert back to the previous mplayer to use devede
[03:58] <stunatra> Note for Ubuntu Gutsy users: by default (as November 21, 2007) Gutsy comes with Mplayer/Mencoder buggy version 1.0RC1 (like Feisty);
[03:58] <stunatra> that could be the problem :P
[03:58] <remedialjoe> *nods
[03:58] <remedialjoe> wh1rr3d
[03:59] <remedialjoe> *pokes language pack ... FIX
[03:59] <myk_> how do i add a directory to my user's $PATH?
[03:59] <remedialjoe> mkdir dirname?
[03:59] <myk_> i want to add /home/user/bin as a location to create symbolic links
[04:00] <remedialjoe> mkdir ~/dirname ?
[04:00] <Arwen> myk_, look at ~/.bashrc
[04:00] <Arwen> it has a "PATH=" line in it
[04:00] <remedialjoe> oh lol
[04:02] <remedialjoe> i read what myk said wrong ... i wondered why he wanted to know something so easy for whatever advanced thing he was doing
[04:02] <remedialjoe> so tired.. powernap
[04:03] <myk_> Arwen: doesnt seem to be there.. here's what mine looks like     http://www.pastebin.ca/918518
[04:03] <Arwen> hmm, never mind me then...
[04:04] <mrunagi_> just a warning for everyone..........never move files with kubuntu..........always copy and paste
[04:04] <mrunagi_> im still ticked off
[04:04] <remedialjoe> whaat
[04:04] <remedialjoe> oh with dolphin
[04:04] <mrunagi_> i copied and pasted a documents folder and said overwite auto.........but it didnt complete!
[04:04] <mrunagi_> POOF!
[04:04] <mrunagi_> data GONE!
[04:04] <remedialjoe> heh
[04:04] <remedialjoe> that is unacceptable
[04:04] <mrunagi_> lots of irreplaceable data too
[04:05] <mrunagi_> yes it is
[04:05] <mrunagi_> i mean fine.........if something happens you cant complete the opperation..........put it BACK!
[04:05] <remedialjoe> what about using that program to get your files back
[04:05] <remedialjoe> could you run that
[04:05] <mrunagi_> what progrem
[04:05] <mrunagi_> is it too late? this happened 2 hours ago
[04:05] <remedialjoe> i will try to find it.. but i am using lynx.. so it might take me a while
[04:06] <remedialjoe> no i don't think so
[04:06] <remedialjoe> this program is for like fire/damaged drives
[04:06] <remedialjoe> also works on removable media..  memory cards etc for lost photos
[04:06] <remedialjoe> you can usually recover 3-4 formats worth of data, pretty impressive
[04:06]  * heinkel_111 reminds the channnel that backup systems does have advantages when things go wrong
[04:06] <remedialjoe> brb
[04:06] <storbeck> ln -s /folder ~/ ?
[04:06] <mrunagi_> keep heinkel_111?
[04:07] <heinkel_111> for example
[04:07] <heinkel_111> only  when things have gone wrong, you should have keep'ed that folder before that
[04:08] <freyyr> It worked!
[04:08] <mrunagi_> ive just never heard of files disappearing
[04:08] <freyyr> removing those packages fixed the problem.
[04:08] <freyyr> how I missed that GUI.
[04:09] <remedialjoe> freyyr which packages?
[04:09] <remedialjoe> did the os not need them?
[04:09] <freyyr> language-pack-en
[04:09] <freyyr> language-pack-en-base
[04:09] <Wasserstoff> there is a language-pack-en?
[04:09] <heinkel_111> of course the system don't need it...speak portuguese instead!
[04:09] <Wasserstoff> what in the hell is in it?
[04:09] <remedialjoe> heinkel_111 well i mean ..
[04:09] <freyyr> language-pack-kde-en-base
[04:10] <freyyr> language-pack-kde-en
[04:10] <mrunagi_> remedialjoe: you still looking?
[04:10] <freyyr> language-pack-support-en
[04:10] <freyyr> so run:
[04:10] <remedialjoe> mrunagi_  i was going to grab laptop, but if i can get into gui....  just a sec ..
[04:10]  * Wasserstoff would really like to know whats in a 'en' language pack
[04:10] <Wasserstoff> considdering almost all programs have strings in english originally
[04:10] <Wasserstoff> and are translated from there
[04:11] <mrunagi_> Wasserstoff: english?
[04:11] <remedialjoe> freyyr You are my hero
[04:11] <freyyr> sudo apt-get remove language-pack-en language-pack-en-base language-pack-kde-en language-pack-kde-en-base language-pack-support-en.
[04:11] <heinkel_111> i have 10 language packs or so, wonder if they are all fubared or if it is just the -en ones?
[04:11] <Wasserstoff> mrunagi_: but what though...
[04:11] <remedialjoe> freyyr  i think its language-pack-kde-en or language-pack-en
[04:11] <remedialjoe> freyyr one of those two worked for me
[04:11] <remedialjoe> or both*
[04:11] <Wasserstoff> mrunagi_: what programs exist that need to be explicity translated into english..
[04:11] <freyyr> i removed them all, and everything seems normal.
[04:11] <freyyr> it's all still in english.
[04:11] <mrunagi_> i dont know
[04:12] <mrunagi_> im still concerned i just lost a bunch of data
[04:12] <remedialjoe_> woooot
[04:12] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_:  yeah that is terrible.. i'm in gui now so hopefully my search will speed up
[04:12] <remedialjoe_> *looking now brb
[04:13] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_: found it
[04:13] <mrunagi_> is it in the repo?
[04:13] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_:    Photorec was the program i used.. but i found this article which i'm readin now .. it might apply ..  http://www.linux.com/feature/56588
[04:13] <remedialjoe_> yes i believe it is
[04:14] <remedialjoe_> i remember it being pretty powerful
[04:14] <remedialjoe_> hope it helps
[04:15] <mrunagi_> that would still apply to me?
[04:15] <mrunagi_> i didnt wipe my hd
[04:15] <remedialjoe_> yes it will just scan /dev for everything
[04:15] <remedialjoe_> thats *not    on there
[04:15] <remedialjoe_> in the file table
[04:16] <remedialjoe_> you may have to boot from live cd and run it ... the device might have to be unmounted
[04:16] <remedialjoe_> i used it while recovering *evidence for a client
[04:16] <remedialjoe_> but this was a long time ago
[04:17] <Stoffer> i don't suppose there's a better file system checker / repair-er than fsck is there?  It keeps exiting with a signal 11.
[04:18] <mrunagi_> !tar.bz
[04:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tar.bz - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:18] <mrunagi_> !compile
[04:18] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[04:19] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_:  install alien and download the RPM
[04:22] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_: and there is always http://foremost.sourceforge.net/  but i am not familiar with it
[04:22] <remedialjoe_> in the slightest
[04:23] <remedialjoe_> mrunagi_:  last link http://pcburn.com/data_recovery-Foremost.php
[04:24] <mrunagi_> i dont understand
[04:24] <mrunagi_> it only gives me . and documents and .. to save to
[04:25] <remedialjoe_> photorec?
[04:25] <mrunagi_> yea
[04:25] <mrunagi_> it tells me not to use the same partition
[04:25] <remedialjoe_> i'm installing right now
[04:26] <remedialjoe_> yeah .. i said you might have to install while using the live cd
[04:26] <mrunagi_> oh lame
[04:26] <remedialjoe_> i was afraid of that
[04:26] <mrunagi_> will it give me the option to save it on my external if im on the live cd?
[04:26] <remedialjoe_> yes
[04:26] <mrunagi_> ok breb
[04:26] <remedialjoe_> gl
[04:27] <mrunagi_> at least im learning something new
[04:27] <remedialjoe_> =]
[04:28] <Qtstuck> has anyone done any cross compiling with ubuntu ?  I am trying to get a package to compile correctly, but it uses /usr/lib/libfreetype.so instead of the correct mingw version  I don't know why it is doing that?
[04:33] <ubuntu> ok here i go
[04:33] <ubuntu> wish me luck on photorec =)
[04:33] <ubuntu> oh yea
[04:33] <ubuntu> i have to install it again lol
[04:33] <ubuntu> do you have that link?
[04:35] <ubuntu> nevermind i got it
[04:37] <remedialjoe_> sorry heheh
[04:38] <ubuntu> ok im still lost
[04:38] <ubuntu> it wants me to save the data in /home/ubuntu
[04:38] <ubuntu> or . .. Desktop
[04:38] <ubuntu> drwxr-xr-x   999   999       620 26-Feb-2008 04:37 .
[04:38] <ubuntu> drwxr-xr-x     0     0        60 25-Feb-2008 23:30 ..
[04:38] <ubuntu> drwxr-xr-x   999   999       120 25-Feb-2008 23:31 Deskt
[04:39] <remedialjoe_> no way
[04:39] <remedialjoe_> uhmm
[04:39] <ubuntu> oooooh
[04:39] <ubuntu> i got it
[04:39] <remedialjoe_> run the program from the folder you want to save it too
[04:39] <ubuntu> except i dont know how to um........browse to my external in live cd
[04:39] <remedialjoe_> run konqueror and put in /media
[04:39] <remedialjoe_> it should be in there
[04:39] <alucardromero> Make sure it's mounted?
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> if its not ..^^
[04:40] <ubuntu> its not
[04:40] <ubuntu> i cant remember how to mount ntfs on lviecd
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> mount it
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> type dmesg
[04:40] <ubuntu> i get some fuse error
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> after plugging it in
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> oh
[04:40] <remedialjoe_> is it ntfs?
[04:40] <ubuntu> yea
[04:41] <remedialjoe_> install ntfs-3g
[04:41] <ubuntu> isnt it by default?
[04:41] <ubuntu> yup
[04:41] <alucardromero> Yeah, it should be.
[04:41] <remedialjoe_> dmesg should tell you the dev name
[04:41] <remedialjoe_> then just ntfs-3g /dev/????  /media/whatever
[04:41] <alucardromero> ntfs-3g mount -o umode=000 /dev/<drive> /media/<drive>
[04:42] <ubuntu> fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied
[04:42] <ubuntu> FUSE mount point creation failed
[04:42] <ubuntu> Unmounting /dev/sdb1 (External)
[04:42] <remedialjoe_> sudo
[04:42] <ubuntu> i did
[04:42] <ubuntu> wait
[04:42] <ubuntu> no i didnt
[04:42]  * alucardromero farts
[04:42] <remedialjoe_> hehehhe
[04:43] <ubuntu> ok good
[04:43] <remedialjoe_> lol
[04:43] <remedialjoe_> oh man i forgot to backup my nexuiz maps
[04:43] <remedialjoe_> DANG
[04:43] <ubuntu> ok its going
[04:44] <alucardromero> Whoa... I was thinking of playing, but... Blah.
[04:44] <remedialjoe_> i guess not as critical
[04:44] <remedialjoe_> but
[04:44] <ubuntu> how can i make animations for nexius?
[04:44] <remedialjoe_> alucardromero: are you in north america or Europe or .. ?
[04:45] <alucardromero> North America.
[04:45] <remedialjoe_> i'm installing it now and bumping on to galts
[04:45] <remedialjoe_> do you 1v1 at all? or ctf or
[04:47] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu  you might be waiting a while.. *make a pizza
[04:47] <ubuntu> an hour
[04:47] <ubuntu> how do i make animations for nexius?
[04:50] <ubuntu> 4 hours?!
[04:50] <ubuntu> now back to 1 hour lol
[04:50] <remedialjoe_> animations for nexuiz? you mean like the names?
[04:50] <remedialjoe_> er for speech text
[04:51] <ubuntu> no
[04:51] <ubuntu> i mean animate the models........the animations now are horrid
[04:51] <ubuntu> <-animator
[04:51] <remedialjoe_> oh sweet
[04:51] <ubuntu> www.animatedanimator.com
[04:51] <remedialjoe_> uhm just a sec.. i think i know who you can talk to
[04:52] <remedialjoe_> http://www.nexuizninjaz.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=107
[04:53] <ubuntu> i guess they dont want just animatorz
[04:53] <ubuntu> im not a modeller =/
[04:55] <remedialjoe_> yah i thought i heard someone say it was BS for nex
[04:55] <remedialjoe_> and the models
[04:55] <remedialjoe_> hehehe
[04:55] <remedialjoe_> i am not an artist at all.. so it all looks like it would take a millenia to me
[04:55] <ubuntu> did you look at my site?
[04:55] <remedialjoe_> its very clean
[04:56] <remedialjoe_> i am downloading the vidz now
[04:56] <remedialjoe_> i really enjoy the fact that it is easy to read
[04:56] <ubuntu> my site?
[04:56] <ubuntu> lol
[04:56] <ubuntu> do you have problems not being able to read sites alot?
[04:56] <Arwen> whoa cool, xrandr is awesome
[04:56] <Arwen> no more having to edit xorg.conf
[04:57] <Arwen> it's almost like... Windows!
[04:57] <ubuntu> most of these text files are probably garbage arent they
[04:57] <ubuntu> holy god 4k text files?
[04:57] <ubuntu> HAS to be garbage
[04:57] <remedialjoe_> =/
[04:57] <remedialjoe_> sec installing codecs
[04:58] <BluesKaj> are there any warnings about langauge package updates breaking kde ?
[04:58] <ubuntu> yes
[04:59] <Hydrogen> People have had the problem in here
[04:59] <ubuntu> dont install them
[04:59] <Hydrogen> but havn't seen warnings about it yet
[04:59] <ubuntu> but then dont listen to me im trying to recover what data i can because kubuntu decided to dump my clipboard data
[04:59] <Hydrogen> I'm still very very very curious as to how language packs can break logging in
[04:59] <ubuntu> its a virus
[04:59] <ubuntu> lol
[05:00] <ubuntu> i work at my parents store while im in town and people are shocked when i tell them a. microsoft is single handedly responsible for viruses and b. i dont have to worry about them
[05:00] <remedialjoe_> BluesKaj: Uninstalling the language-pack-en and/or language-pack-kde-en seems to fix it for now*
[05:01] <remedialjoe_> ooh have to get rid of dolphin
[05:01] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu  did you do that yet?
[05:01] <ubuntu> no =(
[05:01] <ubuntu> i like dolphin
[05:01] <remedialjoe_> i think the move problem is related to that
[05:01] <BluesKaj> Hydrogen, remedialjoe, too late for me , borked kde and the dcopserver, couldn't get past login ...had to do clean install
[05:01] <ubuntu> just kill me already
[05:01] <ubuntu> i have to use konq?
[05:01] <Hydrogen> well
[05:02] <Hydrogen> doing a clean instasll was a bit exagerrating
[05:02] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu well if you want to avoid the copy/move thing altogether
[05:02] <Hydrogen> however
[05:02] <Hydrogen> I don't understand the ability for it too happen
[05:02] <ubuntu> i wouldnt even know how to word that problem for google
[05:03] <BluesKaj> Hydrogen, there was no other way , I asked for help and waited for hours, but nobody kne waht the fix was.
[05:03] <BluesKaj> knew what
[05:03] <ubuntu> how many passes does it make?
[05:04] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu  not too sure
[05:04] <remedialjoe_> also nice animation on the reel.wmv lol
[05:04] <remedialjoe_> started laughing.. then.. "woooah" when the rex came out
[05:04] <remedialjoe_> hahahah
[05:04] <BluesKaj> Hydrogen, besides, I was able to get rid of kde 359 (awfly buggy)
[05:04] <remedialjoe_> sweet
[05:05] <ubuntu> im a better animator than that now
[05:05] <remedialjoe_> laughing when the _cat was playing with the ball
[05:05] <ubuntu> i gag whenever i watch it now lol
[05:05] <remedialjoe_> heheh man whatever they are sweet
[05:05] <remedialjoe_> makes me wish i could animate
[05:06] <remedialjoe_> =]
[05:06] <ubuntu> i paid alot of money to go to school for it
[05:06] <ubuntu> i cant get a job
[05:06] <BluesKaj> I also turned the adept notifier off
[05:06] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu that seems to be the case for most professions these days
[05:06] <remedialjoe_> just stick with it and eventually someone will grab you up
[05:06] <ubuntu> yea......unfortunately
[05:07] <BluesKaj> hey guys there' an #animation chat if your interested :)
[05:07] <ubuntu> i cant stick with it anymore
[05:07] <ubuntu> im going to try and get a degree in computer engineering
[05:07] <Hydrogen> Theres probably a #tissue as well
[05:07] <remedialjoe_> well i mean if you have to get something else for now.. yeah.. but think of contracts etc
[05:07] <remedialjoe_> hahaha hydge
[05:07] <remedialjoe_> plus times be tough right now
[05:07] <BluesKaj> yeah it's called #offtopic
[05:07] <ubuntu> my loan payments are over 800 a month
[05:08] <Hydrogen> !offtopic | ubuntu
[05:08] <ubotu> ubuntu: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:09] <remedialjoe_> gonna nex it up gl with the recov
[05:09] <remedialjoe_> biab
[05:13] <ubuntu> lol this has said an hour for the past 30 minutes
[05:15] <remedialjoe_> hehehe man i just schooled in nexuiz
[05:15] <remedialjoe_> sometimes i feel so bad
[05:16] <ubuntu> can i run nexiuz on live cd?
[05:16]  * ubuntu is dreaming
[05:16] <remedialjoe_> how muchr am do you have
[05:16] <remedialjoe_> ;]
[05:16] <ubuntu> 1gig
[05:16] <remedialjoe_> 1gb will load buntu into os fully
[05:16] <remedialjoe_> another 800 megs will give you nex
[05:16] <remedialjoe_> i think
[05:16] <ubuntu> buntu is 200mb?>
[05:17] <remedialjoe_> into ram? i dunno
[05:17] <remedialjoe_> i dunno exactly how much but when i had a process manager on my taskbar..  i think it used close to a gb
[05:17] <ubuntu> id like to create a customized cd of kubuntu........but i dunno how
[05:17] <remedialjoe_> i mean it didn't have to.. but thats paging 0 information
[05:18] <storbeck> ubuntu, You want to make your own live cd?
[05:18] <remedialjoe_> there are a bunch of ways
[05:18] <remedialjoe_> i think stor will know more then i tho
[05:18] <ubuntu> yea so like when i reinstall maya will be installed already
[05:18] <storbeck> lol, for all the questions you ask I think you have a long way to go before you can do that.
[05:19] <remedialjoe_> reconstructor ?
[05:19] <ubuntu> like what questionds
[05:20] <ubuntu> ....
 i cant remember how to mount ntfs on lviecd
[05:20] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu take a look at http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/ ..t his may or may not be what you are looking for =]
[05:20] <storbeck> For example
[05:20] <ubuntu> um ok
[05:20] <ubuntu> its not exactly straight forward
[05:21] <ubuntu> but whatever, demean and patronize me
[05:21] <remedialjoe_> ;] they will
[05:21] <ubuntu> belittle is probably a more appropriate word
[05:21] <remedialjoe_> uhmm i think reconstructor is gnome based :/
[05:22] <storbeck> I'm not patronizing you. I'm just saying you have some more to learn before you can tackle making your own livecd.
[05:22] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu: http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/ubuntu/custom-livecd.htm
[05:22] <remedialjoe_> thats the hard way
[05:23] <ubuntu> stumbling on something as backwards and sideways as mounting an ntfs volume on kubuntu livecd is not enough for someone to judge whether i can or cannot make my own livecd
[05:23] <storbeck> Okay ubuntu
[05:23] <remedialjoe_> *looks at the floor
[05:24] <remedialjoe_> *looks at bong
[05:24] <remedialjoe_> er that should have read.. looks at gong ......
[05:24] <storbeck> Sure it did.
[05:25] <remedialjoe_> lol
[05:25] <ubuntu> judging by this guide it doesnt look like you can add installed programs......?
[05:25] <remedialjoe_> oh my bad :(
[05:26] <ubuntu> im not entirely sure
[05:26] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu
[05:26] <remedialjoe_> http://www.livecdlist.com/wiki/index.php/LiveCD_Creation_Resources#All_Operating_Systems
[05:26] <remedialjoe_> google it up
[05:26] <remedialjoe_> i've been meaning to do the same thing as well
[05:27] <remedialjoe_> maybe we could work on it together
[05:28] <remedialjoe_> #kubuntu-live if you want to work on it now and not bother storbeck
[05:28] <remedialjoe_> ;]
[05:29] <ubuntu> so you can customize a live cd to include 3d support maybe?
[05:30] <remedialjoe_> joing #kubuntu-live
[05:30] <storbeck> It's not bothering me. I was just giving advice.
[05:32] <SilentDis> hello
[05:33] <SilentDis> question: my motherboard died.  rather than just replace, i decided to upgrade.  going from 32-bit environment to a single-core 64-bit chip (amd939 on an ASRock 939Dual board).  I'll be dropping my 2 drives into this box... will i be having any prolems?
[05:34] <remedialjoe_> SilentDis: I doubt it
[05:34] <remedialjoe_> SilentDis: same issue here 2 months ago..
[05:34] <ubuntu> why do people want to go to 64bit so bad
[05:34] <SilentDis> remedialjoe_: cool.
[05:34] <remedialjoe_> because time is running out till 2038 ;]
[05:35] <ubuntu> heh
[05:35] <SilentDis> ubuntu: i went because it's actually cheaper lol
[05:35] <remedialjoe_> you know about y2038 ...
[05:35] <ubuntu> well getting a 64 chip and running 64 is 2 different things
[05:35] <SilentDis> omg y2038!  *runs in circles*
[05:35] <ubuntu> you mean y2k38
[05:35] <ubuntu> its funnier that way
[05:35] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu yes  i do lol
[05:35] <ubuntu> you missed
[05:35] <ubuntu> lol
[05:35] <SilentDis> good point lol
[05:35] <remedialjoe_> lol
[05:36] <ubuntu> heres the targer (( ---  ))
[05:36] <remedialjoe_> yah i didn't know they made 32 bit cpus still for desktops
[05:36] <ubuntu> heres you (( -------- ))                                x
[05:36] <SilentDis> while it would be neat at some point to figure out the whole 64-bit os/32-bit userspace thing... that'll be later :)
[05:36] <ubuntu> there are no apps for most people that utilize 64 bit
[05:36] <ubuntu> there are for me
[05:36] <ubuntu> just like with dual core
[05:37] <SilentDis> i'll be happy with a working 'puter again.  i'm slogging along on a P1 300mhz with 64mb ram and Xubuntu right now.  it HURTS.  lol
[05:37] <remedialjoe_> ooooh
[05:37] <remedialjoe_> =]
[05:37] <ubuntu> xubuntu runs on that?
[05:37] <SilentDis> yep
[05:37] <ubuntu> please tell me you had to use the alternate cd
[05:37] <SilentDis> little slow... but works fine for chat/basic web browsing
[05:37] <remedialjoe_> slogs i believe is the word for it
[05:37] <ubuntu> i had problems with kde on 128mb of ram
[05:37] <SilentDis> oh yes, alt cd to install lol
[05:37] <ubuntu> thank you
[05:37] <ubuntu> i was like dear LORD!
[05:38] <ubuntu> YAY!
[05:38] <ubuntu> ive run out of space for photorec
[05:38] <SilentDis> new box will be an AMD 3700+ chip with 2gb ram, somewhere around 1TB drive space.  *does happy dance*
[05:38] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu =[
[05:38] <storbeck> SilentDis: Have you looked into DSL?
[05:38] <ubuntu> eh..........benchmarks show that intel is leading for once
[05:40] <ubuntu> sigh
[05:41] <ubuntu> maybe i should kiss the data good bye?
[05:42] <SilentDis> stupid internet :P
[05:42] <ubuntu> how can i list all the files in subfolders of a dir so i can see them by size....
[05:42] <storbeck> Heh...
[05:43] <storbeck> ubuntu: ls -al
[05:43] <SilentDis> ubuntu: ls -al will list everything for you... i vaguely remember a df command that makes it easy, but not off the top of my head
[05:43] <jhutchins_wk> -a should be unnecssary in most cases.
[05:43] <ubuntu> maybe i wasnt being clear
[05:43] <ubuntu> this folder has 100 subdirs with files in them
[05:44] <SilentDis> ubuntu: you're looking for the the df stuff... does a size check, etc...  lets see if the bot has info
[05:44] <SilentDis> !info df
[05:44] <ubotu> Package df does not exist in gutsy
[05:44] <remedialjoe_> !df
[05:44] <ubotu> Graphical representations of where your disk-space is being used are: baobab (GNOME), filelight / kinfocenter (Kubuntu). On the terminal: df -h -T
[05:44] <SilentDis> thanks remedialjoe_
[05:45] <ubuntu> ?
[05:45] <ubuntu> im going to have to go through each folder one by one this is gonna be fun
[05:46] <SilentDis> df -h will get you for each partition... there was something you could pass to it to just get the current dir... but i can't for the life of me remember what it was
[05:46] <remedialjoe_> -l
[05:46] <remedialjoe_> hold on
[05:46] <SilentDis> ubuntu:  you're running kde.  use the graphical tools.  kinfocenter does a great drill-down
[05:47] <remedialjoe_> df -l /folder
[05:47] <remedialjoe_> i wonder if you can tree it
[05:47] <amigo> !info coreutils
[05:47] <ubotu> coreutils (source: coreutils): The GNU core utilities. In component main, is required. Version 5.97-5.3ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 1429 kB, installed size 9040 kB
[05:48] <ubuntu> im trying to see the filesizes so that i can delete what is too small to be important
[05:48] <SilentDis> remedialjoe_: df -l will just show you where it is in the list...  if this was 3 days from now, i'd be able to tell you in seconds with my main box up... i bookmarked a great page with all sorts of df tricks on it there :(
[05:48] <remedialjoe_> =]
[05:48] <SilentDis> ubuntu: why won't the graphical tools of KDE help you?  just curious.
[05:49] <ubuntu> id love to
[05:49] <ubuntu> if there was a way to do it
[05:49] <ubuntu> lemme clarify again
[05:49] <ubuntu> these files are in 100 folders
[05:49] <SilentDis> konq should do it in tree list view.  then click on the size field, and it'll sort 'em
[05:49] <SilentDis> kinfocenter will as well, nice, easy-to-read list of everything, how much is in 'em, etc
[05:50] <ubuntu> konq is confusing
[05:50] <ubuntu> ah there it is
[05:51] <SilentDis> if you've done a LOT of cleaning and it doesn't seem uptodate, the only trick i know that seems to solve it is a quick 'sudo updatedb' to poke the listings.
[05:51] <ubuntu> how do i open all of the folders at once
[05:51] <remedialjoe_> ubuntu i think if you just remove dolphin with apt konq will default
[05:51] <storbeck> ubuntu: ls -al * > output
[05:52] <SilentDis> gonna go read daughter of the empire, bbiab :)
[05:52] <remedialjoe_> storbeck: that doesn't show the total size of folders
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> there is a visual filesystem analyzer
[05:52] <remedialjoe_> with contents*
[05:52] <remedialjoe_> er including contents file size
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> !info baobab
[05:53] <ubotu> Package baobab does not exist in gutsy
[05:53] <storbeck> ls -al | grep '^d
[05:53] <remedialjoe_> i'd also like to know how to do that in console
[05:53] <storbeck> ls -al | grep '^d'
[05:54] <remedialjoe_> !baobab
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about baobab - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <Daisuke_Ido> !info filelight
[05:54] <ubotu> filelight (source: filelight): show where your diskspace is being used. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 608 kB, installed size 1740 kB
[05:55] <ubuntu> this is frustrating enough.........that im about to say forget it lol
[05:56] <storbeck> ubotu: This might be cleaner
[05:56] <storbeck> du -sk */
[05:56] <tim__> hi... having some trouble with 7.10 - cannot do any updating, and wanted to know if it is because I have to reset the address from IPv6 to IPv4... anyone aware of any workaround?
[05:59] <remedialjoe_> tim does your adept keep crashing/restarting?
[05:59] <storbeck> ubotu: Did that work?
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about did that work? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <storbeck> oops
[05:59] <storbeck> ubuntu: Did that work?
[05:59] <remedialjoe_> storbeck:  i think du is the comman .. but the flags aren't all there
[06:00] <storbeck> How so?
[06:00] <remedialjoe_> say you have a directory of directories
[06:00] <remedialjoe_> and you want to see the total file size of each indidvidually
[06:00] <remedialjoe_> without displaying the contents themselves
[06:01] <storbeck> Okay
[06:01] <storbeck> du */ will do that.
[06:01] <remedialjoe_> can you explain the syntax of */ ?
[06:01] <storbeck> * = folder name / = defines it as a folder
[06:01] <remedialjoe_> *everything /  = folder?
[06:03] <remedialjoe_> storbeck:  oh wow
[06:03] <remedialjoe_> very cool
[06:04] <remedialjoe_> i've always wanted to know how to do that.. thanks!
[06:04] <storbeck> np
[06:06] <jcgkffycs> sorry, just wondering since people don't seem to be getting it, ubotu is not a person, it's a program designed to answer simple questions right?
[06:06] <ere4si> yep
[06:07] <storbeck> jcgkffycs: I was talking to ubuntu not ubutu
[06:08] <Hydrogen> Oo
[06:09] <Vista> :/
[06:09] <Vista> someone else owns it!
[06:09] <Longhorn> someone else owns it!
[06:11] <mrunagi> boy im glad i didnt wait to finish it
[06:11] <mrunagi> thats more trouble than its worth
[06:11] <mrunagi> MOSTof the mpgs downloaded were from dvd iso.........which is strange to me
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> Hydrogen: you could always go for Server_2008
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[06:14] <mrunagi> do you have to safely remove ext3 drives too or is that an ntfs thing
[06:14] <cody> Has anyone had to deal with the canadian language pack lock up?  im woried about updating my system
[06:15] <mrunagi> what is the deal with these language packs
[06:15] <mrunagi> where are these packs?
[06:15] <cody> they should be in the ubuntu repositories
[06:16] <mrunagi> do i need to be concerned?
[06:16] <cody> do you use english-CA?
[06:16] <mrunagi> why would anyone need to install language packs
[06:16] <cody> they come with the system updates
[06:16] <mrunagi> i havent seen them
[06:17] <mrunagi> wait a second........is the reason kubuntu asks for where you live is not only for time zone but repo locations too
[06:17] <mrunagi> ?
[06:17] <cody> it selects your language pack...
[06:17] <cody> the repos should be the same
[06:17] <mrunagi> oh
[06:17] <cody> you can change your language pack by right clicking the clock and selecting date and time format
[06:18] <mrunagi> oh i see
[06:18] <mrunagi> so if i havent seen these language packs i shouldnt worry?
[06:18] <cody> if you dont use english-CA then it doesnt affect you...
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> doesn't the english-CA pack just add "eh" to the end of sentences and change "ou" to "oo"? </joke>
[06:19] <mrunagi> lmao!
[06:19] <cody> :P
[06:19] <mrunagi> i thought the en language packs were doing damage
[06:20] <cody> en-CA
[06:20] <cody> thats the only one
[06:20] <mrunagi> swee
[06:20] <mrunagi> sweety
[06:20] <mrunagi> sigh
[06:20] <mrunagi> sweet...........
[06:20] <mrunagi> god bles america! :D
[06:20] <cody> i just finished the install, ill reboot and see if i can log in
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> mrunagi: en-CA is the culprit.  our neighbors to the north are borked for the moment
[06:20] <mrunagi> oooooh canadaaaaaa
[06:20] <mrunagi> lol
[06:20] <mrunagi> for a second i thought i offended him lol
[06:22] <Reconizer> cody
[06:22] <cody> had to change to the en-US language pack to boot
[06:22] <Reconizer> i missed you
[06:22] <Reconizer> my pal
[06:22] <cody> good man you did :D
[06:22] <Reconizer> cody :0
[06:23] <noodles12> hi, i just installed kubuntu 7.10, but there seems to be nothing in my kmenu under kmenu>>system               (i believe this is where things like synaptic and stuff are?)
[06:23] <Reconizer> kde on windows :O how does that make you feel cody?
[06:24] <cody> windows in kde, how does that jmake you feel reconizer
[06:24] <cody> right click your kmenu, and click menu editor.  is it enabled?
[06:25] <noodles12> i see more applications, terminal applications, in its submenu. but i don't see where to enable or disable it
[06:26] <remedialjoe_> my multicolumn view isn't showing the full title name.. and there are no coloum lines to expand =[
[06:27] <cody> if they are there when you expand system, it should appear in kmenu...  maybe try refreshing your desktop?  i dont know why it would not appear
[06:27] <noodles12> cody: synaptic wasn't installed by default. Is this normal for kubuntu? or maybe nothing in my "system" is installed?
[06:28] <cody> its called adept installer in kde.  open it by kmenu > add/remove programs
[06:28] <cody> there is also adept manager
[06:28] <cody> or use apt-get in terminal
[06:29] <noodles12> cody: there is no add/remove programs in my kmenu. I am reusing my /home partition where i previously had pclos and opensuse installed. is it possible whatever prior kde configs i had left over in my /home screwed up my kubuntu install?
[06:30] <cody> thats a possibility
[06:30] <cody> try installing kde with apt-get?
[06:30] <cody> that could resolve the problem
[06:31] <noodles12> so just apt-get install kde-base ? or would i need to uninstall it first?
[06:31] <SilentDis> noodles12: i'd suggest sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[06:31] <cody> i wouldnt recommend uninstalling it.  if you need to remove kde, install gnome and then reinstall kde
[06:32] <Hydrogen> huhwut?
[06:32] <cody> ^^  that should work
[06:32] <Daisuke_Ido> what?
[06:32] <Hydrogen> If you need to remove kde... install gnome and then install kde?
[06:32] <Daisuke_Ido> that may be the worst advice ever...  and i listen to my own!
[06:32] <SilentDis> i came into this discussion late...  but i do recommend using the 'named' packages to grab stuff for ubuntu.  kubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop, etc
[06:32] <Hydrogen> I think something got lost in translation.
[06:33] <remedialjoe_> how come my multi column view in konq is only listing 16 characters now
[06:33] <cody> install kubuntu-desktop would be the best way, thank you silentdis
[06:33] <remedialjoe_> before it listen almost the entire file name contents
[06:33] <remedialjoe_> listed*
[06:33] <remedialjoe_> what have i done here
[06:34] <noodles12> ok thanks gusy. i'll try that... stupid opensuse!
[06:34] <SilentDis> cody: nt.  seen a lot of problems with kde being 'dropped in' without the ubuntu-specific stuff.  lotta settings have to be done by hand and such, real pain in the ass, and especially useless when it's already done for ya with the <n>ubuntu-desktop packages :)
[06:34] <remedialjoe_> found it   tools/configure konquerer, appearece .. width for icon text
[06:35] <noodles12> it says kubuntu-desktop is already it's newest version...
[06:35] <noodles12> should i remove it and then reinstall?
[06:35] <SilentDis> noodles12 if you do, make SURE you throw either gnome or xfce at it first
[06:36] <SilentDis> noodles12 something like 'aptitude install ubuntu-desktop' reboot, choose to use gnome.  then a 'aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop'
[06:36] <noodles12> SilentDis: if i just booted into recover mode. would i be able to aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop and then install kubuntu-desktop?
[06:37] <SilentDis> noodles12 what is the original problem?  there's usually an easier solution is all :)
[06:37] <SilentDis> afk 1 moment, gotta release excess caffinated liquids :)
[06:37] <Dezine> I just install KDE 4 and for some reason there is no bottom bar?
[06:38] <noodles12> SilentDis: i came i started with ubuntu, then pclos, then opensus... kept the same /home folder. I installed kubuntu and my kmenu>system is empty and there is no kmenu>add/remove programs so i feel like i'm missing things or teh remnants of messing w/ the kde setup from the other 2 distros are still in my /home folder and messing with my fresh kubuntu install
[06:39] <SilentDis> noodles12 ohhh... how about the real easy method then? :D
[06:39] <noodles12> SilentDis: yea hook it up =)
[06:39] <SilentDis> noodles12 you are in safe mode now, right?
[06:39] <noodles12> no. i'm in normal kubuntu
[06:39] <SilentDis> noodles12 er, recovery mode.  whatever.  stupid windowsisms are hard to brake lol
[06:41] <noodles12> SilentDis: i can go into recovery mode in a bit, i'm in regular session right now
[06:41] <SilentDis> noodles12 ok.  boot to either recovery or off your ubuntu cd.  mount whatever drive /home is on, and rename your home folder.  go from /home/noodles12 to /home/noodles12-old.  reboot.  login as normal.  your home folder will be rebuilt from scratch for you, and you can just go in and port all your files over without worry
[06:41] <ajajaja> I prefer Windows over Kubuntu though ...
[06:41] <ajajaja> Too much clicking around on Kubuntu ...
[06:41] <remedialjoe_> clicking around
[06:41] <remedialjoe_> ajajaja
[06:41] <remedialjoe_> are you not familiar with katapult
[06:42] <ajajaja> alt ----><--- ?
[06:42] <noodles12> SilentDis: that command ( just ot make sure is )   "mv /home/noodles12 /home/noodles111     "  right?
[06:42] <remedialjoe_> so good
[06:42] <ajajaja> Plus I dont like the default Nautilus behavior on Kubuntu
[06:42] <SilentDis> noodles12 exactly :)
[06:42] <noodles12> sweet... i'll be back!
[06:43] <ajajaja> Why is Kubuntu in spatial mode by default ? Can someone tell me ?
[06:43] <Liono> i need to setup a network with windows clients and kubuntu server. (authenticate windows clients from the server via LDAP i gues?) what do i need to do first. this is my first day of networking. did even pluged the wires ?
[06:43] <cody> thanks silentdis for that easier workaround
[06:43] <cody> looking at that makes mine look retarded : /
[06:44] <remedialjoe_> ajajaja:  can you tell me what spatial mode is
[06:44] <remedialjoe_> i know it has something to do with konq (i think)
[06:44] <SilentDis> cody i dealt with the same thing going from 6.06 to 7.10.  didn't bther to upgrade my box, just grabbed a package list, renamed my home, and did a fresh install.  sooo nice having /home on a seperate partition :)
[06:44] <ajajaja> yes Its when you open a folder , then open another one and it opens another window which could stay at the same place
[06:45] <ajajaja> it is _very_ annoying !
[06:45] <remedialjoe_> oh
[06:45] <remedialjoe_> i enjoy it
[06:45] <remedialjoe_> ;]
[06:45] <remedialjoe_> minimal
[06:45] <SilentDis> cody as for your method being retarded... it's not, would work just fine too, but there's nearly always an easier way.  ;)
[06:45] <remedialjoe_> i hear there was a big pepsi/coca cola over that one tho
[06:45] <ajajaja> So why the Hell is Kubuntu acting like taht ?
[06:45] <ajajaja> i prefer pepsi if you ask me ....
[06:46] <remedialjoe_> no man only coke tastes good.. pepsi can't taste as good.
[06:46] <ajajaja> SO you use Konqueror in kinda spatial mode ?
[06:46] <remedialjoe_> there's no way
[06:46] <ajajaja> omg ! thats not true !
[06:46] <SilentDis> coke, out of the fountain only.  this discussion is closed.
[06:46] <SilentDis> *snicker*
[06:46] <ajajaja> you are mean
[06:46] <remedialjoe_> lol
[06:46] <ajajaja> pepsi MAXX
[06:47] <remedialjoe_> truely i prefer pepsi when i am mixing drinks..  but coke if i am just enjoying a carbonated beverage
[06:47] <Liono_> can any one see me?
[06:47] <remedialjoe_> mind you i prefer jones cola cause of the evaporated cane sugar
[06:47] <remedialjoe_> Liono_:  yep
[06:47] <Liono_> remedialjoe i need to setup a network with windows clients and kubuntu server. (authenticate windows clients from the server via LDAP i gues?) what do i need to do first. this is my first day of networking. did even pluged the wires ?
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> remedialjoe_: good luck.
[06:48] <remedialjoe_> lol
[06:48] <ajajaja> i prefer JD and COke
[06:48] <SilentDis> remedialjoe_ well... yeah.  jones sodas in general is not to be classed with such brutish beverages as produced by either pepsi or coke though.  kinda like compairing a fliet mignon made at a 5-star new york restaurant to a burger from mcdonalds...
[06:48] <remedialjoe_> Liono_:  I said I could see you.. But I can't anser that for you =]
[06:48] <remedialjoe_> SilentDis:  this is very true
[06:49] <ajajaja> filet mignon
[06:49] <Liono_> i need to setup a network with windows clients and kubuntu server. (authenticate windows clients from the server via LDAP i gues?) what do i need to do first. this is my first day of networking. ?
[06:49] <remedialjoe_> Liono_: spend another 3 years reading how-to's ?
[06:50] <SilentDis> Liono_ why does it 'have' to be a kubuntu server?  wouldn't ubuntu server be a better match for something like that?  the packages for samba are already setup then.
[06:50] <remedialjoe_> lol
[06:50] <Liono_> SilentDis iam too used to kde.
[06:50] <surgy> !samba | Liono_
[06:50] <ubotu> Liono_: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[06:51] <SilentDis> Liono_ try this then: aptitude install ubuntu-server (i believe that's the correct meta-package, someone will correct me if i'm wrong, i'm sure) :)
[06:51] <SilentDis> Liono_ that way you'll have both your kde gui and all the packages setup for a true server environment
[06:51] <Liono_> surgy SilentDis so i need to install samba first and make a network, to use LDAP ?
[06:52] <surgy> Liono_: listen to SilentDis he prolly knows more about it
[06:52] <SilentDis> Liono_ I have not gone through the whole 'making windows like my linux boxes' fiasco... instead i just 'upgraded' my network to use all debian-based OSes... well, cept my tiny webserver, but that's just because i'm lazy and haven't poked my head into it's closet in months lol
[06:53] <remedialjoe_> hahahaha
[06:53] <Liono_> ic..
[06:53] <Liono_> so before installing ldap. i need to make  a network by samba? right?
[06:53] <ajajaja> Do you really think kubuntu will get kde 4.0 in a short time, knowing how unstable it is ?
[06:54] <SilentDis> i think it's uptime is around 9 or 10 months now... i think that was the last power outage we had...
[06:54] <surgy> Liono_: for simple file sharing and printer sharing samba is awsome, and im certain it can do more, i just never needed more
[06:54] <noodles12> SilentDis: hey it didn't work. I got a "unable to start ksysstartupconfig" or something like that... " check installatoin"
[06:54] <remedialjoe_> i think you are running into the upgrade problem noodles12
[06:55] <noodles12> remedialjoe_: what upgrade problem? it was a clean install.. sortof..
[06:55] <SilentDis> noodles12 ok, you ARE missing something in the install, or some package is marked funny it sounds like.  what release of kubuntu are we talking here?
[06:55] <noodles12> 7.10
[06:55] <remedialjoe_> noodles12:  did you upgrade/update
[06:55] <Liono_> surgy so before installing ldap. i need to make  a network by samba? right?
[06:56] <surgy> Liono_: to be perfectly honest i dont even know what ldap is, so you shouldnt listen to me
[06:56] <remedialjoe_> yah truely you should scrap all windows clients and go *nix completely.. it will save you loads of problems
[06:57] <SilentDis> Liono_ in all seriousness... we are probably not gonna be able to answer this right off for you.  i would highly recommend doing a quick 'aptitude install ubuntu-server' and hopping over there, they'll be FAR more knowledgable about setting that kinda thing up.  use, general desktop troubleshooting, BASIC networking, etc, that's our forte
[06:57] <SilentDis> !ubuntu-server
[06:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support
[06:57] <noodles12> SilentDis: when i moved /home/noodles12 to /home/noodles12_backup i got that msg. i just renamed it back to /home/noodles12 to boot here to talk to u guys =). did i need to mkdir /home/noodles12 ? i was assuming kubuntu would just make a new directory
[06:57] <remedialjoe_> yah.. once you've setup your server in ubuntu .. come back and we will show you how to throw KDE back on
[06:58] <Liono_> SilentDis yes. but what to do next.
[06:58] <SilentDis> noodles12 it shoulda made it for you... i did just have an idea though...
[06:58] <SilentDis> Liono_ read that whole !info bit... there's a server-specific room which will have people who are FAR more inclined to have the info you need.  #ubuntu-server
[06:59] <noodles12> SilentDis: now Kmenu>settings disappeared
[07:00] <Liono_> SilentDis k
[07:00] <SilentDis> noodles12 what about just renaming ~/.kde to ~/my-.kde-backup and restarting x (ctrl-alt-backspace)?
[07:00] <noodles12> i'll try it
[07:01] <noodles12> brb
[07:01] <ajajaja> Are there any kubuntu devs hanging aound here sometimes ?
[07:01] <remedialjoe_> in addition to the language pack upgrade bit .. after removing the two packages, if you add another  you won't get the "can't set locale"   issues .. i used language-pack-ca-en  and everything *seems smooth
[07:02] <SilentDis> ajajaja they lurk, and are known to pounce and boot windows fanbois.  it is really entertaining to watch :D
[07:02] <ajajaja> But they must not be many of them here
[07:02] <ajajaja> Kubuntu is to l33t for them i suppose ...
[07:02] <SilentDis> ajajaja big brother is watching you.  love big brother. fear big brother *giggle*
[07:02] <ajajaja> Click here ... Click over there
[07:03] <grul> what? how? kubuntu is too l33t for kubuntu devs?
[07:03] <ajajaja> for Windows fanbois
[07:03] <grul> i see
[07:03] <ajajaja> MS-Windows sry ...
[07:03] <grul> now it all made sense
[07:03]  * SilentDis gets ready for the Two Minute Hate
[07:03] <remedialjoe_> *grabs lighter
[07:03] <alucardromero> Is there a compiled list of supported printers on the interwebs?
[07:03] <ajajaja> So how can i get rid of Nautilus on my default Kubuntu ?
[07:04] <remedialjoe_> what do you prefer to use over nautilus
[07:04] <grul> as far as i know kubuntu is as much click here, click there as windows, except there are options to click here and click there, which there aren't in windows
[07:04] <SilentDis> alucardromero probably over at the cups homepage... i can tell you from experience, virtually anything HP works.
[07:04] <ajajaja> i dont want nautilus i want konqueror
[07:04] <ajajaja> Plus i dont like that feet logo ...
[07:04] <alucardromero> Yeah, that's why I'm thinking about getting an HP printer.  I have a Lexmark 4350.
[07:04] <Daisuke_Ido> hp and brother both tend to be good
[07:04] <remedialjoe_> i am using konqueror
[07:05] <remedialjoe_> why aren't you
[07:05] <SilentDis> HP has much linux <3 :)
[07:05] <ajajaja> so why do I have Nautilus as file manager on my Kubuntu ?
[07:05] <remedialjoe_> dolphin was installed by default .. i removed that and konqueror defaulted
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> ajajaja: if you're using kubuntu, konqueror is the default file manager.
[07:05] <remedialjoe_> ajajaja:  are you sure its not Dolphin
[07:05] <alucardromero> I've noticed... it's even compatible with the HP fax machine printers.
[07:05] <alucardromero> It's awesome.
[07:05] <ajajaja> no plus they tel me sometimes to use kate
[07:05] <SilentDis> ajajaja did you install ubuntu, then 'side-grade' to kubuntu?
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> kate is a text editor
[07:05] <ajajaja> but i dont seem to find any kate program
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> you're comparing apples to toyotas
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> um
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> do you even HAVE kde?
[07:06] <alucardromero> He has LMNOP... :P
[07:06] <SilentDis> apples are tasty.  toyotas are tasty with enough salt on them...
[07:06] <ajajaja> Yes I have KDE with the feet logo top left corner
[07:06] <SilentDis> sorry, i'll go sit in my corner.
[07:06] <remedialjoe_> wow
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[07:06] <remedialjoe_> ajajaja:
[07:06] <alucardromero> LoL... that's Gnome... isn't it?
[07:06] <SilentDis> ajajaja that's Gnome.
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> that's NOT kde
[07:06] <ajajaja> Its Kubuntu
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> no it isn't.
[07:06] <ajajaja> no its kubuntu i know what im saying !
[07:07] <remedialjoe_> this guy is shwacked
[07:07] <SilentDis> ajajaja kubuntu = Ubuntu with KDE.  ubuntu = ubuntu with Gnome.
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> either you're really confused or you're trolling.
[07:07] <ajajaja> uh ???
[07:07] <alucardromero> Yeah, this is giving me diarrhea.
[07:07] <remedialjoe_> either he's trolling or he didn't install kde properly from a ubuntu install
[07:07] <ajajaja> My screenshots dont look the same as others ? Why ?
[07:07] <alucardromero> Is the background orange or blue?
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> troll.
[07:07] <ajajaja> Orange
[07:07] <SilentDis> ajaja, type the following at a prompt and tell me the package status:  aptitude show kubuntu-desktop
[07:07] <alucardromero> ;)  It's Ubuntu.
[07:07] <remedialjoe_> ajajaja:  what SilentDis said
[07:08] <ajajaja> Come on guys dont feed me !!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[07:08] <remedialjoe_> wow
[07:08] <ajajaja> DONT FEED ME !
[07:08] <remedialjoe_> what a weirdo
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> no, you're now ignored.
[07:08] <remedialjoe_> i thought i was a loose cannon.. but this guy
[07:08] <ajajaja> so much for Plasmq
[07:08] <SilentDis> umm... should i push this button labeled !ops or will someone else do it for me?
[07:08] <ajajaja> Plasma
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> !ops
[07:08] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, Tm_T, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or jussi01!
[07:08] <remedialjoe_> lmao
[07:08] <SilentDis> thank you Daisuke_Ido :)
[07:08] <alucardromero> LoL
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> SilentDis: glad to oblige
[07:09] <Daisuke_Ido> oiy vey
[07:09] <SilentDis> how do the mentally retarded keep finding this place?
[07:09] <Daisuke_Ido> he wasn't retarded, he knew exactly what he was doing
[07:09] <alucardromero> That's a very interesting question.
[07:10] <alucardromero> He was just screwing with us... 'tis all.
[07:10] <alucardromero> "Let's go piss off the geeks!
[07:10] <alucardromero> "
[07:10] <mneptok> that will be quite enough of that.
[07:10] <Myrth[home]> hi, is it possible to choose which applications will start next time with kde desktop?
[07:11] <Myrth[home]> it's really annoying to close everytime all the applications i don't want but they popup again everytime
[07:11] <alucardromero> Whoa... *!*@nor75-15-82-67-191-232.fbx.proxad.net just got... PWNED! :P
[07:11] <SilentDis> Myrth[home] sounds like you have them in a saved session
[07:11] <SilentDis> Myrth[home] no biggie.  kubuntu 7.10?
[07:11] <Myrth[home]> doesn't session gets resaved on close?
[07:12] <Myrth[home]> right now 8.04 =] , but happened always
[07:12] <alucardromero> It has to... anything you have open comes back when you boot back up.
[07:12] <SilentDis> Myrth[home] it's an option, just like everything else in KDE ;)
[07:12] <Myrth[home]> alucardromero: i close everything, log out, then it reopens again
[07:12] <remedialjoe_> i've had that happen
[07:12] <alucardromero> Whoa... phantom apps?
[07:12] <Dezine> I'm having some issues with KDE4.. There's no bottom bar and my desktop resets everytime I log out (icon placement and widgets).
[07:12] <remedialjoe_> i think it was kopete
[07:12] <remedialjoe_> and konqueror file browsing
[07:13] <Myrth[home]> for example epiphany - i logged into gnome one time. since then it opens always
[07:13] <SilentDis> Myrth[home] there SHOULD be an option somewhere right off the menu for 'save session'.  otherwise, when you hit the logoff button, it should have a checkbox you can drop a tick into
[07:13] <alucardromero> KDE4... icky.  Got rid of that right away.
[07:13] <Myrth[home]> no, no kde4 for me :P
[07:13] <alucardromero> I couldn't find any network manager or network tools.
[07:13] <Dezine> anybody?
[07:14] <Myrth[home]> kde3 is perfect for me
[07:14] <SilentDis> Dezine kde4 is still very wonky beta.  is there a specific room anywhere that might have more info? *pokes the bot*
[07:14] <SilentDis> !kde4
[07:14] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[07:14] <SilentDis> there we go :)
[07:14] <Dezine> thanks
[07:14] <alucardromero> Dezine: I would switch back to KDE3 a.s.a.p.
[07:14] <SilentDis> wow, it is released.  shows how up on things i am lol
[07:15] <Dezine> Eh, I don't use KDE3
[07:15] <alucardromero> For me, lots of typical use items were missing from KDE4.
[07:15] <Dezine> I typically use gnome but want to check out kde4 for a bit, kde3 isn't my thing
[07:15] <alucardromero> Ah, okay.
[07:15] <remedialjoe_> where is the "sessions" manager thing
[07:16] <Dezine> I think it has great potential and I don't want to miss out :)
[07:16] <SilentDis> i went from gnome when i first switched to linux, then to kde later.
[07:16] <alucardromero> It does... the widget system is awesome, but it gets confusing.
[07:17] <alucardromero> KDE3 is to KD3 as WindowsXP is to WindowsVista... for me anyways.
[07:17] <SilentDis> oy working at a gas station part time is REALLY not a good idea for me lol
[07:17] <Dezine> Yeah, I'd like to get it working, I think I can get used to it.
[07:17] <alucardromero> Wait... I did that wrong...
[07:17] <alucardromero> KDE3 is to KD4 as WindowsXP is to WindowsVista... for me anyways.
[07:18] <alucardromero> It's just better to stick with the older ones.
[07:18] <SilentDis> as if i don't smoke enough already, now there's all sorts of interesting 2-for-1 deals staring me in the face during my shift lmao
[07:18] <remedialjoe_> my User Management module could not be loaded.. hrmm
[07:19] <Dezine> I like new stuff, I like betas and sometimes alphas if I feel risky.
[07:19] <azzco> alucardromero: kde 3 is at 3.5.9 kde4 is it 4.0.1! Right now you can't really compare the two
[07:19] <alucardromero> Heh, true.
[07:19] <alucardromero> !kde4
[07:19] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[07:20] <SilentDis> is the plan for 8.04 or 8.06 anyway?
[07:20] <alucardromero> From the screenshots I've seen, they're using KDE3.
[07:20] <alucardromero> 3.5.9 to exact.
[07:20] <remedialjoe_> where do i find the option for save session on exit?
[07:20] <alucardromero> Gnome or KDE?
[07:20] <remedialjoe_> kde
[07:20] <SilentDis> was gonna say, if it's 8.04, they might go kde4.  if it's 8.06lts, they'll be sticking with kde3
[07:21] <SilentDis> i can almost guarntee 8.10 with kde4 though.  just how things move
[07:22] <azzco> SilentDis: then we'll have KDE4.1 so most likely it'll be a bit more stable :)
[07:22] <alucardromero> dcop ksmserver default saveCurrentSession
[07:22] <SilentDis> azzco exactly
[07:23] <SilentDis> standard ubuntu mantra there.  available via extra repos, matures over time, include for general consumption.  serves the community really well imo :)
[07:24] <remedialjoe_> alucardromero:  ha, thankyou
[07:24] <alucardromero> ;)
[07:24] <remedialjoe_> lol
[07:25] <SilentDis> *scribbles that little line down furiously on scraps of paper*
[07:25] <remedialjoe_> *copies/pastes into tips/tricks.txt
[07:25] <remedialjoe_> oh geez
[07:25] <remedialjoe_> nexuiz is callin
[07:25] <SilentDis> remedialjoe_ darn you and your working computer.  this laptop sucks lol
[07:26] <alucardromero> *brews cup of coffee*
[07:26] <remedialjoe_> speaking of laptops sucking .. hahaha
[07:26] <SilentDis> it serves me well as a chatbox for when i'm playing wow or doing work on my main box.  outside that... it's a paperweight lol
[07:26] <alucardromero> Mine rocks, and it was only 375.00
[07:27] <alucardromero> As long as it runs Half Life 2 Deathmatch, I'm okay.
[07:27] <SilentDis> i hate you, and hope you perish horribly in a fire. :P
[07:27] <remedialjoe_> half life 2 deathmatch on a laptop for 375 thats a score.. it will run nex then, no?
[07:27] <alucardromero> Oh, and did I mention, I can play HL2DM on high settings.
[07:28] <SilentDis> hmm... i shouldn't say that... aluardromero, what machine, and where did you get it?
[07:28] <alucardromero> Yes, indeed... runs Nex nice.
[07:28] <remedialjoe_> what kind of videocard is in that puppy
[07:28] <alucardromero> It's a Acer Aspire 5315
[07:28] <Myrth[home]> mmm.. i know it's java and ubuntu+1.. but maybe someone knows?.. all my java apps after upgrade to 8.04 started giving this error: http://paste2.org/p/14365
[07:28] <SilentDis> is that the little thing they have over at wal-mart?
[07:28] <alucardromero> Intel 965 integrated
[07:29] <remedialjoe_> i've never played with intel video chipsets before
[07:29] <alucardromero> 1GB Ram, 80GB HDD, 1.73GHz Celeron... all Intel chipset.
[07:29] <remedialjoe_> i mean more then the older ones.. nothing with great 3d
[07:29] <SilentDis> alucardromero it is!  did you order that from their website or just pop into the evil empire and buy it?
[07:29] <alucardromero> Well, if you keep WinVista on there, hardly anything will run.
[07:30] <alucardromero> The evil empire.
[07:30] <SilentDis> kicks ass with kubuntu though?  i was looking at the specs going "hey, not bad, would run linux nice..." myself when i saw it.
[07:30] <remedialjoe_> which drivers does *nix use for intel vid?
[07:30] <alucardromero> Yeah, OpenGL drivers work great too.
[07:31] <SilentDis> alucardromero sweet!  how's it do with stuff like compiz / World of Warcraft?
[07:31] <alucardromero> Umm... xserver-xorg-video-intel
[07:31] <remedialjoe_> hm
[07:31] <alucardromero> I haven't tested Compiz yet and I don't play World of Warcraft.
[07:31] <remedialjoe_> nex and tron are about all I play
[07:31] <Myrth[home]> are there plans for xorg to have multi-head without reboot?...
[07:31] <remedialjoe_> armagetron ..
[07:32] <remedialjoe_> lol
[07:32] <alucardromero> Heh.
[07:32] <surgy> !samba | Liono_
[07:32] <ubotu> Liono_: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[07:32] <SilentDis> darn.  compiz is fun... and i suffer from complete WoW addiction lmao
[07:32] <alucardromero> I play Nex rarely because of HL2DM.
[07:32] <SilentDis> wait, it plays HL2?
[07:32] <remedialjoe_> this is even after nex 2,3
[07:32] <alucardromero> I had a dedicated server running Nex, but... for some damn reason they have a background process killer.
[07:33] <remedialjoe_> weird
[07:33] <SilentDis> if it does ok in HL2, then it'll scream with WoW.  guess i know where my government rebate check is going!
[07:33] <alucardromero> I would log in through shell and see about a dozen screens with "(Dead ??)"
[07:33] <alucardromero> Totally.
[07:33] <remedialjoe_> Oh
[07:33] <alucardromero> My rebate check is going to an Eight Virtues PC.
[07:33] <remedialjoe_> that probablye xplains why some servers like galt quit unexpectedly
[07:34] <remedialjoe_> maybe its a script that runs again after it dies?
[07:34] <alucardromero> Yeah, that's what I'm guessing.
[07:34] <remedialjoe_> lol
[07:34] <SilentDis> finally be able to ditch this POS as well.  woot!
[07:34] <remedialjoe_> man keep it
[07:34] <alucardromero> Yeah, use it as a server.
[07:34] <alucardromero> :P
[07:34] <remedialjoe_> for when ppl come by and need to use the interwebs
[07:34] <remedialjoe_> or that
[07:34] <SilentDis> roflmao
[07:35] <SilentDis> oh, it'll sit in the basement and gather dust.  don't worry about that :)
[07:35] <remedialjoe_> bathroom interwebbin
[07:35] <SilentDis> lmao
[07:35] <alucardromero> Have you seen the Eight Virtues PCs?
[07:35] <alucardromero> The come shipped with Ubuntu.
[07:35] <alucardromero> :P
[07:35] <SilentDis> actually... i do have a bit of an oddball here for ya...
[07:36] <SilentDis> i have 3 Point-of-sale touch screen computers sitting here... was thinking of turning them into linux boxen
[07:36] <alucardromero> Ooooh... not a bad idea.
[07:36] <SilentDis> they currently run Win98, touchscreen is driven like a mouse pointer
[07:36] <remedialjoe_> mythboxes!
[07:36] <remedialjoe_> man
[07:36] <SilentDis> they are rather low powered.  P2 233s with 64mb ram
[07:36] <SilentDis> 20gb drives
[07:37] <alucardromero> Servers...OMGWTFAZNBBQROTFLMAOKTHXBAI!!!
[07:37] <SilentDis> anyone played with anything like this?  how's linux support of 'weird' pointer interfaces like that?
[07:38] <alucardromero> It would probably be treated as a moust pointer as well.
[07:38] <SilentDis> i know the lotto terminal at work runs MontaVista linux (seen it boot up a couple times)
[07:38] <remedialjoe_> isn't that the generic wacom tablet driver
[07:38] <alucardromero> I was thinking that too, but he said in Win98 it's driven like a mouse pointer.
[07:38] <SilentDis> i have no idea how i'm gonna get them to start from a CD though.  the PSU inside is dinky, just enough to run the board and 1 drive.
[07:39] <SilentDis> i *think* i saw a 'boot from usb' option though... was gonna try throwing a CD drive into an external HD enclosure and give it a go.
[07:40] <SilentDis> want to put one in the kitchen for surfing epicurious.com and such
[07:40] <noodles12> SilentDis: it didn't work. but i did the mv /home/noodles12_backup and just reinstalled kubuntu from disc
[07:40] <noodles12> SilentDis: thanks for all ur help!
[07:41] <SilentDis> noodles12 doh.  well, at least it's working, and you didn't loose anything.  glad that got ya going at least. :)
[07:41] <alucardromero> LOL
[07:41] <alucardromero> Has anybody tried running...
[07:41] <alucardromero> zgrep "The.*Release" /usr/share/doc/dpkg/changelog.Debian.gz
[07:41] <alucardromero> in a terminal?
[07:41] <noodles12> SilentDis: yea.... yay kubuntu works!
[07:42] <SilentDis> noodles12 and, you can even port over all your bookmarks, files, etc, etc etc from the old home directory :)
[07:42] <storbeck> alucardromero: You no want zgrep.
[07:42] <storbeck> YOU WANT HOT POCKET
[07:43] <alucardromero> Heh, it's all the random release names for Debian.
[07:43] <SilentDis> i make hot pockets.  from scratch.  they taste better :)
[07:43] <storbeck> Ooh
[07:43] <alucardromero> Try it, it'll just echo all the release names... they're funny too...LoL
[07:43] <alucardromero> zgrep "The.*Release" /usr/share/doc/dpkg/changelog.Debian.gz
[07:44] <SilentDis> plus, i can make them with interesting combos that they don't think of.  spinach and italian sausage alfrado hot pocket anyone?
[07:44] <alucardromero> The "Donald, where's your troosers?" Release.
[07:44] <alucardromero>   The "Let the Wookie win" Release.
[07:44] <alucardromero>   The DebConf4 Release.
[07:45] <alucardromero> lol
[07:46]  * SilentDis is trying to decide to either go to sleep, or open another pack of ciggies and continue hanging out here
[07:46] <jussi01> !ot | alucardromero
[07:46] <ubotu> alucardromero: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:46] <SilentDis> jussi01 i know, i know, my ot stuff is teh evil too.  i will be good :)
[07:46] <alucardromero> Roger that. :\
[07:50] <SilentDis> dumb question?  been a while since i used bitchx from a terminal screen.  what's the command to hop between already joined chatrooms?
[07:53] <jussi01> SilentDis: notsure on bitchx, but on irssi its alt + number
[07:54] <storbeck> ./hop #room
[07:58] <storbeck> or ctrl+w 1/2/3/4/5/etc
[07:59] <jussi01> storbeck: you knowhe left already...
[07:59] <storbeck> Oh, oops
[07:59] <jussi01> :)
[08:15] <vanchuck> KDE is crashing at graphical login... right at "Initilising System Services"
[08:15] <vanchuck> /var/log/kdm.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log contain no errors
[08:16] <vanchuck> tried reinstalling nvidia drivers, using nv and vesa instead, still same problem
[08:16] <vanchuck> ~/.xsession-errors contains some errors though, first one is "startkde: kpersonalizer not found! please install to properly configure your user"
[08:17] <vanchuck> later on it says 'kdeint: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!'
[08:17] <vanchuck> if I type in startkde on command line it comes up with different errors...
[08:17] <vanchuck> any clues? :-(
[08:19] <vanchuck> just did apt-get install kpersonalizer, it ran a wizard at startup, but still same problem afterwards
[08:21] <Ertain> Hello everyone.
[08:21] <Ertain> Whenever I move my cursor too far off the screen it goes to the next desktop.  How do I stop this functionality?
[08:22] <Oscar_Acosta_> hello
[08:23] <Oscar_Acosta_> how do I disable this icon zooming effect when launching a certain application shortcut from the panel?
[08:24] <vanchuck> if anyone cares, it seems my problem is related to the language pack update that went out a few days back
[08:25] <storbeck> Heh, yeah
[08:25] <vanchuck> hah, and it's only Canadian English that causes the problem
[08:25] <vanchuck> us poor Canadians
[08:25] <storbeck> People were in here earlier complaining about it.
[08:25] <vanchuck> always being made fun of
[08:25] <storbeck> It's a bug.
[08:27] <sgrover> vanchuck - I ran into that one today (I'm in Calgary)
[08:27] <sgrover> Did you sort it out?
[08:28] <vanchuck> just trying the qt-language-select thing now
[08:28] <sgrover> I recovered from it, so can give you some tips...
[08:28] <gundam_rx78nt1> hello. I would like to know what packages I have installed on the system so I can rebuild it.
[08:28] <sgrover> hehe.. that failed for me.  I was able to get into the kcontrol and set the language there.  I had "default" selected, so set it to us english.
[08:28] <storbeck> gundam_rx78nt1: Good luck with that. XD
[08:28] <sgrover> but, I "fixed" it with the rollback option earlier...
[08:29] <Oscar_Acosta_> gundam_rx78nt1: dpkg -l
[08:29] <NaBoO> hello!
[08:30] <storbeck> You may want to do, dpkg -l > output
[08:30] <storbeck> Considering it will be a rather large list
[08:31] <gundam_rx78nt1> ok. see the problem is since the last update, I lost my audio and wireless.  I recovered wireless by removing and re-installing the linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic package but I can't recover audio.
[08:31] <vanchuck> sgrover: yeah, I'm gonna try to rollback now, the language-selector trick didn't work for me
[08:32] <gundam_rx78nt1> I followed the audio troubleshooting guide in the ubuntu forum and still can't get the drivers to load.
[08:32] <storbeck> What's wrong with the audio?
[08:32] <gundam_rx78nt1> Heck, I can't find any audio drivers.
[08:32] <sgrover> vanchuck:  On the rollback, the first package didn't seem to have the version number.  I just stripped of the = part
[08:32] <storbeck> Are you sure it's not just on mute?
[08:32] <gundam_rx78nt1> yes, because aplay -l returns no audio card found.
[08:35] <vanchuck> yessssssss it works
[08:35] <gundam_rx78nt1> at least one happy customer
[08:37] <piqoni> he
[08:37] <remedialjoe_> i thought I saw konversation minimize to the system tray
[08:37] <tuxwulf> Anyone here understand syslog.conf ...?
[08:38] <gundam_rx78nt1> storbeck: any idea how to get it fixed w/o having to do the ms-windoze method (re-install).
[08:38] <piqoni> Does Your ubuntu/kubuntu stuck when using GOogle Earth?
[08:38] <sgrover> gundam_rx78nt1: try "lspci".  Your audio card *should* be listed.
[08:39] <sgrover> if it is, then it's probably a case of the right modules not being loaded.
[08:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> yes, it is listed.
[08:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> I can't find any modules.
[08:39] <sgrover> try "lsmod | grep snd"
[08:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> there are no snd_ or snd- modules
[08:39] <piqoni> Does Your ubuntu/kubuntu stuck when using GOogle Earth?
[08:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> none are loaded.
[08:39] <sgrover> did you by chance install the Server version of buntu?
[08:40] <gundam_rx78nt1> no, I didn't, what happened was that I did the update from 2 weeks ago.
[08:40] <sgrover> it doesn't enable the audio devices in the kernel
[08:40] <piqoni> Does Your ubuntu/kubuntu stuck when using GOogle Earth?
[08:40] <gundam_rx78nt1> it had problems creating the initrd image,
[08:40] <sgrover> ahhh...
[08:41] <gundam_rx78nt1> and in the forum I was instructed to remove the linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic package.
[08:41] <gundam_rx78nt1> since then, I haven't had audio or wireless working
[08:41] <sgrover> the linux-headers package *should* match what you have installed.
[08:41] <gundam_rx78nt1> I got wireless corrected.
[08:41] <gundam_rx78nt1> by re-installing the linux-headers package, but audio still fails.
[08:41] <sgrover> what kind of sound card?
[08:42] <gundam_rx78nt1> it's an Intel 8280, uses the snd_hda_intel drivers
[08:42] <sgrover> it's a module problem.  If we're lucky, you have the same card I do.. :)
[08:42] <sgrover> one sec...
[08:43] <sgrover> nope, not so lucky - I have an nvidia chipset.
[08:43] <gundam_rx78nt1> sorry, 82801g
[08:43] <sgrover> hmm.. I have the snd_hda_intel modual loaded...
[08:44] <sgrover> Did you try to remove the module then re-add it?
[08:44] <sgrover> rmmod snd_hda_intel
[08:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> sgrover: I don't have the driver/module for any card on the system.
[08:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> I try to do a modprobe snd_hda_intel and get the following error:
[08:45] <sgrover> I bet you do, but burried under a different name... :)
[08:45] <sgrover> One sec, I'm trying to track mine down.
[08:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[08:47] <storbeck> gundam_rx78nt1: Reinstall the kernel
[08:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> storbeck: when I install the linux-header package doesn't it install the kernel?
[08:48] <storbeck> Try this
[08:48] <storbeck> No, it installs the headers
[08:48] <sgrover> nope.. just the headers
[08:48] <storbeck> sudo aptitude install alsa-source
[08:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> ok, then how?
[08:48] <storbeck> sudo module-assistant
[08:48] <storbeck> update -> prepare
[08:49] <Stecchino> I need some help with a Belgian (azerty) keyboard ona macbook
[08:49] <Stecchino> just can not get the layout correct
[08:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> storbeck, I have ran module-assistant after re-installing the alsa source.
[08:50] <gundam_rx78nt1> It fails during the compilation.
[08:50] <storbeck> Hrm
[08:50] <storbeck> O_o
[08:50] <gundam_rx78nt1> how do I re-install the kernel?
[08:51] <gundam_rx78nt1> !kernel
[08:51] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[08:51] <sgrover> hmm... I don't see a "kernel" package for this sort of thing... just the headers, and the vmware/nvidia modules...
[08:52] <gundam_rx78nt1> hence forth I ask, how?
[08:52] <sgrover> agreed... but...
[08:52] <gundam_rx78nt1> with any other distro, that would be re-compiling it.
[08:52] <gundam_rx78nt1> which is what I am used to. Not with ubuntu/kubuntu.
[08:52] <sgrover> if you have the build-esential pacakge, you could too.. :)
[08:53] <sgrover> But I refuse to compile a kernel for buntu - it's supposed to be low maintenance....
[08:53] <sgrover> and unless you have a special need, the stock kernel should be fine.
[08:53] <storbeck> What error is it giving you when building alsa-sources
[08:53] <bask> hi there. could anyone tell me how to start a program through ssh on my home computer without stopping when i logout?
[08:53] <storbeck> source*
[08:54] <gundam_rx78nt1> storbeck, give me a moment
[08:55] <sgrover> bask command &
[08:55] <sgrover> or use screen
[08:55] <sgrover> bask: command &
[08:55] <sgrover> gundam_rx78nt1: can you run Adept?
[08:56] <Stecchino> Can nobody help me with azerty keyboard on a macbook?
[08:56] <sgrover> I did a search on Kernel there.  (got a crap load more listed than aptitude search did...)  You'll see which kernel you have installed - linux-generic, linux-image-xxxxx, etc....  You *could* try to remove that package, then reinstall it....
[08:57] <sgrover> I wouldn't recommend a reboot before the reinstall though... :)
[08:57] <storbeck> You want the linux-generic. That holds the audio configs
[08:57] <sgrover> storbeck: don't think that's quite right.
[08:57] <gundam_rx78nt1> storbeck: you were saying steps with module-assitant.
[08:57] <storbeck> Oh?
[08:57] <sgrover> I don't have linux-generic installed, and I'm listening to the music right now.
[08:58] <storbeck> You don't have /usr/src/linux-headers-****-generic/ ?
[08:58] <sgrover> oops, my mistake.. mis-followed the line... yes, I do have linux-generic installed.
[08:58] <sgrover> (it IS 2:00am here.. LOL)
[08:58] <storbeck> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic/sound/ :)
[08:59] <storbeck> It's 4:00 AM here =D
[08:59] <gundam_rx78nt1> failed during the pci_save_state.  Exited with an error 2.
[08:59] <sgrover> so between the two of us we should be able to get a reasonably straight line.. :)
[09:00] <gundam_rx78nt1> storbeck: east coast?
[09:00] <sgrover> gundam_rx78nt1: did you see my note about adept?  That's an option...
[09:00] <gundam_rx78nt1> I don't have adept.
[09:00] <storbeck> Yes
[09:01] <gundam_rx78nt1> not boston right?
[09:01] <gundam_rx78nt1> LOL
[09:01] <bask> sgrover i tried but it doesn't work
[09:02] <sgrover> ok, then you can do it from the command line... the packages you want to remove/reinstall (WITHOUT A REBOOT IN BETWEEN): linux-generic and linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[09:02] <gundam_rx78nt1> ok, here goes nothing... If I don't return, it failed and I will be crying while re-installing.
[09:03] <sgrover> gundam_rx78nt1: see you in about an hour then?? :)
[09:03] <sgrover> at worst...
[09:03] <sgrover> g'luck
[09:03] <sgrover> bask: if you use the & character after the command it returns control immediately to the command line (backgrounds the command).  But I think that will terminate when your connection terminates.
[09:03] <sgrover> I use screen for this type of thing.
[09:04] <bask> it doesn't even start. it gives x error
[09:04] <bask> i did it wothout X
[09:04] <sgrover> apt-get install screen, then just run "screen", enter your command, then ctrl-a d, and log out...
[09:04] <sgrover> bask: what command you trying to run?
[09:04] <storbeck> Have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[09:04] <bask> ktorrent
[09:04] <storbeck> Bah, already left.
[09:05] <bask> i logged through ssh. i started ktorrent. but when i log out and then log in again ktorrent isn't running
[09:05] <sgrover> bask: no, it wouldn't be.
[09:05] <sgrover> logging out ends the user initiated processes.
[09:06] <sgrover> use screen
[09:06] <bask> yes but at home i'm logged. i hoped there would be a way to keep the process runing at home through the session started there
[09:06]  * Signil is away: away
[09:07] <sgrover> ssh in.  install and run screen.  Enter your command. do the "ctrl-a d" to disconnect the current screen session, then logout.
[09:07] <storbeck> Use screen at home, then login to the existing session when you're no there.
[09:07] <sgrover> when you log back in do "screen -r" to reconnect to your screen session.
[09:07] <bask> and how do i log to the existing session? :D
[09:07] <phimic> hello all
[09:07] <phimic> i got a problem with my /var partition
[09:07] <sgrover> You can even have multiple screen sessions..
[09:07] <sgrover> But that's a little more advanced, and will need some reading.. :)
[09:07] <phimic> i choose the size to small, it is a LVM partition and i would like resize it but i cannot umount it
[09:08] <storbeck> !screen
[09:08] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[09:08] <student> hi everybody
[09:08] <sgrover> k, I'm off night everyone.  Hope I helped some...
[09:08] <student> i have lost my tolbars on Konquerer browser how do i get them bak
[09:09] <storbeck> student: Settings -> Toolbars
[09:10] <student> i dont even have the menu bar
[09:10] <storbeck> ctrl + m
[09:11] <student> how do i get the address bar
[09:11] <student> i cant see it on the toolbars
[09:12] <storbeck> student: Just do this in bash
[09:12] <storbeck> rm -rf ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[09:14] <student> its giving me permission denied
[09:14] <student> is there no way od doing it using the gui
[09:14] <storbeck> sudo it
[09:14] <storbeck> Note: That resets your konqueror settings back to default
[09:17] <storbeck> Did it work?
[09:17] <student> i am having problesm with sudo
[09:17] <storbeck> How?
[09:18] <student> rm -rf
[09:18] <storbeck> sudo rm -rf ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[09:18] <storbeck> Type in your password when it asks, then you're done
[09:18] <student> is there a way to do it with gui
[09:19] <storbeck> lol, are you serious?
[09:19] <student> nothing seems to work
[09:19] <storbeck> What error is it giving you?
[09:19] <student> command not found
[09:19] <student> lets start
[09:19] <storbeck> What command are you giving?
[09:20] <storbeck> Just copy and paste this:
[09:20] <student> just a minute
[09:20] <storbeck> sudo rm -rf ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[09:21] <student> permiison denied
[09:21] <storbeck> Did you type in your password?
[09:21] <student> student@student-desktop:~$
[09:21] <student> it did not ask me for the password
[09:22] <storbeck> lol...
[09:23] <student> help on this pliz
[09:24] <storbeck> I find it hard to believe you're getting permission denied if you're using sudo
[09:24] <student> truly
[09:24] <storbeck> Close the terminal and start over
[09:24] <intelikey> where ?
[09:24] <storbeck> When you type sudo it should ask you for your password
[09:25] <intelikey> there are some things that root has noting over nobody
[09:25] <intelikey> so again      where ?
[09:25] <student> it only gives me the options for comamnd
[09:25] <jussi01> student: are yopu on a school pc or soemthing?
[09:25] <storbeck> intelikey: He's trying to do sudo rm -rf
[09:25] <student> my personal computer
[09:25] <student> here is my problem:
[09:25] <intelikey> storbeck simple cause   fs mounted ro
[09:25] <storbeck> student, copy/paste what you typed
[09:26] <student> I have lost the address bar on konquerer
[09:26] <student> student@student-desktop:~$
[09:26] <storbeck> So you typed nothing, great
[09:26] <student> student@student-desktop:~$ sudo
[09:26] <storbeck> That's not what I told you to type.
[09:26] <student> lol
[09:26] <storbeck> sudo rm -rf ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[09:26] <student> then what
[09:26] <storbeck> For the 3rd time, copy/paste that
[09:27] <student> the sam thing again
[09:27] <storbeck> Again? You never did it in the first place
[09:27] <intelikey> but in #kubuntu the most common cause is pebcak
[09:27] <student> i typed sudo rm -rf then pressed return
[09:28] <storbeck> student, I'm done helping you
[09:28] <storbeck> If you don't know how to copy/paste you should be using Windows.
[09:28] <student> then after that the secon command ie ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[09:28] <storbeck> It's all one command. Hence me saying COPY/PASTE what I typed.
[09:28] <storbeck> I didn't say break it apart onto more than one line.
[09:28] <intelikey> pebcak
[09:29] <korn788> does anyone here use LINUXMCE
[09:30] <student> storbeck:i have done that but the browser has not changed
[09:30] <jussi01> !mint | korn788
[09:30] <ubotu> korn788: The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes, please consult their websites for more information: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (support in #linuxmint), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), Ubuntu Ultimate
[09:30] <storbeck> student: Did you close and re-open the browser?
[09:30] <student> yes
[09:30] <storbeck> sudo apt-get remove konqueror
[09:30] <korn788> ok
[09:30] <storbeck> sudo apt-get install konqueror
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[09:31] <pushax> hi all.   is anying running alpha 4 if hardy?
[09:31] <intelikey> kubuntu-desktop     cause konq will take some things with it
[09:31] <jussi01> storbeck: you would need to purge... ;)
[09:31] <intelikey> jussi01 that too
[09:31] <storbeck> jussi01: I don't expect him to even copy/paste what I said before.
[09:31] <student> lol
[09:31] <storbeck> So I'm not even worried about it.
[09:32] <student> u want me to reinstall
[09:32] <student> lol
[09:32] <student> i thot there was a better way
[09:32] <student> assume somebody is not on the internet
[09:32] <jussi01> student: whats the actual issue, I missed it?
[09:33] <student> the command you gave me would install the browser
[09:33] <storbeck> jussi01: He hid his address bar and can't find the option to view it. And he fails to delete the config file which would set it back to defaults.
[09:33] <storbeck> So my best advice would be to uninstall linux and install windows.
[09:34] <student> i am ruunig both mind u
[09:34] <jussi01> storbeck: please be constructive, even if things are not going right :)
[09:34] <intelikey> storbeck better advice might be 12lb sledge adjustment to the computer...
[09:34] <jussi01> student: its very easy to renable the address bar in konq
[09:34] <student> jussi01:thats right
[09:35] <student> how
[09:35] <storbeck> jussi01: I'm being constructive.
[09:35] <student> jussi01:how
[09:35] <storbeck> If people can't understand how to use linux, they shouldn't be using it. The whole point of an OS is to use it.
[09:35] <jussi01> grr, Im on gnome at school, its just a right click add toolbar right?
[09:35] <jussi01> storbeck: people need to learn somewhere.
[09:35] <student> i am on kde
[09:36] <student> i am better than u think
[09:36] <intelikey> jussi01 or konq menu view > main toolbar
[09:36] <student> if u are gud in one part u are not gud in all
[09:36] <jussi01> student: did you see what intelikey just said?
[09:37] <jussi01> I need to run. behave :)
[09:37] <student> thanks @intellikey
[09:37] <storbeck> Cya, jessy_james
[09:37] <storbeck> Bah
[09:37] <storbeck> jussi01*
[09:38] <student> thanks everybody
[09:38] <student> including storbeck
[09:39] <intelikey> storbeck you ranked a special inclusion   ;/
[09:40] <linuxboy97> can someone help i can't mount any of my harddrives
[09:40] <intelikey> linuxboy97 umm how you trying to do so ?
[09:40] <intelikey> how are
[09:41] <linuxboy97> just by clicking one of my harddrives and i get an error
[09:41] <intelikey> what the error says ?
[09:42] <linuxboy97> could not mount device
[09:42] <linuxboy97> the reported error was:
[09:42] <linuxboy97> mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:44] <intelikey> linuxboy97 open a konsole (terminal emulator) and type in# fdisk -l /dev/sda     and pastebin the output for me please.
[09:44] <intelikey> !pastebin | linuxboy97
[09:44] <ubotu> linuxboy97: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:46] <linuxboy97> i get an error saying cannot open /dev/sda
[09:46] <intelikey> prepend sudo.     sudo fdisk -l
[09:47] <linuxboy97> ok now what
[09:47] <intelikey> !pastebin | linuxboy97
[09:47] <ubotu> linuxboy97: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:48] <intelikey> it displayed text didn't it ?
[09:48] <linuxboy97> only about the two hard drives i have
[09:49]  * intelikey though that was what we were concerned with.....
[09:49] <linuxboy97> just to let you know if this helps im running live CD
[09:50] <linuxboy97> haven't got around to installing it yet
[09:54]  * intelikey wonders ***why is this hour of the day always the time for when the "real wierd-O's", "total nubeez" "absolute morons" and "no will to engrish me, ok!" come to #kubuntu ???***
[09:54] <intelikey> i think i'll go write a shell script that will play five card draw poker with me......
[09:55] <AlferedHichcok> having problems with setting up LDAP. there is no conf file in /usr/local/etc/openldap        and when i just edited  /etc/ldap/slapd.conf. . it says "no conf file found in there" when i typed $ /etc/init.d/slapd restart. any help?
[10:02] <Sbucatone_> Hello World,
[10:02] <Sbucatone_> :)
[10:06] <storbeck> Hello World offspring.
[10:07] <storbeck> Don't you love it when you're playing a multiplayer game and everybody accuses you of cheating? When really, they just suck. :D
[10:09] <Sbucatone_> storbeck: you are a cheater xD
[10:09] <storbeck> Nah
[10:09] <pushax> do power users keep their home directories on other partitions or drives?
[10:09] <storbeck> /root
[10:09] <Sbucatone_> i have my home in another partition
[10:10] <pushax> so when I format the partition in ext3 I mount it as /home  ??
[10:10] <Sbucatone_> storbeck: better players many time are only cheater xD yes yes
[10:10] <Sbucatone_> pushax:  yes i have done that on my computer when i have installed
[10:11] <storbeck> Well, to cheat on playstation 2 games you have to buy a codebreaker.
[10:11] <oni_shadow> yo !
[10:11] <oni_shadow> j'ai une question
[10:11] <oni_shadow> comment faire
[10:11] <storbeck> I can't get the urge to walk into a store and say, "Yes, I'd like a codebreaker"
[10:11] <pushax> ok thanks.  ging to reinstall as this is a new era of linux for me and I've experimented too much witht he system files to be confident they are right.
[10:11] <oni_shadow> pour que kubuntu effectu autotmatiquement une commande au demarage
[10:12] <oni_shadow> genre xrandr -s 1024x768
[10:12] <Sbucatone_> !fr | oni_shadow
[10:12] <ubotu> oni_shadow: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:12] <oni_shadow> oupps
[10:12] <oni_shadow> sorry
[10:12] <oni_shadow> I put a space bifore the "-"
[10:14] <oni_shadow> well maybi you can help me, my english is not to bad
[10:16] <oni_shadow> hum not verry bad fore a child of 15 year in case
[10:16] <oni_shadow> haw can i explain
[10:16] <oni_shadow> how can you make that xrandr -s 1024x768 automaticly run at start up
[10:17] <storbeck> .kde/Autostart
[10:17] <storbeck> Turn it into a script and put it in there
[10:18] <storbeck> vi yourscript
[10:18] <storbeck> mv yourscript ~/.kde/Autostart/
[10:18] <storbeck> chmod +x ~/.kde/Autostart/yourscript
[10:18] <oni_shadow> well have just start using linux and I dont know how to do it
[10:18] <storbeck> Okay, 1 second
[10:19] <oni_shadow> thanks
[10:19] <storbeck> !pastebin
[10:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:20] <pushax> what's a good size for root partion? swap partion? if I'm putting home on a separate partition from root?
[10:21] <pushax> 300gb hd
[10:21] <storbeck> oni_shadow: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57451/
[10:21] <storbeck> That's a howto
[10:22] <oni_shadow> ok thanks
[10:22] <storbeck> np
[10:22] <oni_shadow> I'll try that
[10:22] <storbeck> ok
[10:28] <AlferedHichcok> having problems with OPENLDAP cong. where to add  BASE    dc=example,dc=com  ?
[10:38] <ali3n51> what is the similiarity of kde 3 and kde 4
[10:40] <ali3n51> i can login in diffirent betwen kde3 and kde 4
[10:40] <ali3n51> there is something new about kde 4
[10:40] <el-gokulo> both uses qt as library? :P
[10:40] <el-gokulo> kde 4 uses the newer qt library
[10:40] <ali3n51> oh really
[10:40] <ali3n51> why there 2 login
[10:41] <ali3n51> the kde 3 and kde 4
[10:41] <storbeck> Because you didn't uninstall kde3
[10:41] <ali3n51> how to uninstall kde 3
[10:41] <el-gokulo> i wouldnt recommend it
[10:41] <ali3n51> why
[10:42] <storbeck> sudo apt-get remove kde
[10:42] <ali3n51> there something happen if i uninstall kde 3
[10:42] <storbeck> sudo apt-get autoremove
[10:42] <storbeck> sudo apt-get update
[10:42] <el-gokulo> kde 4 is far from being ready for use. in my opinion
[10:42] <ali3n51> what i supposed to used
[10:42] <Lynoure> ali3n51: no support from this channel anymore, for example. and I bet upgrade is not officially supported from kde4-only gutsy
[10:42] <ali3n51> for now i am using kde
[10:42] <ali3n51> kde3
[10:43] <el-gokulo> many features from kde 3.5.x are not already working in kde 4
[10:43] <ali3n51> oh really
[10:43] <storbeck> 4 is still in baby stages.
[10:43] <ali3n51> so what the best to used kde 3 or kde 4
[10:43] <el-gokulo> its just the first step to a new kde experience
[10:43] <el-gokulo> right now its better to stay with kde 3
[10:43] <storbeck> kde4 reminds me too much of vista.
[10:44] <el-gokulo> wait for kde 4.1 to try it out again. but its unknown when it will be released
[10:44] <ali3n51> what i'm going to do
[10:45] <Lynoure> storbeck: the looks are greatly changable. :) and what's under the hood is nothing like Vista
[10:45] <storbeck> I know.
[10:45] <storbeck> But the default look does.
[10:45] <ali3n51> u mean kde 4.0 is release accidentally like vista
[10:45] <el-gokulo> you can keep both versions installed it wont hurt you
[10:46] <storbeck> Lynoure: In perspective though, I think KDE and Gnome are both too much like Windows. :P
[10:46] <ali3n51> if u can't choice  where to login you can't open the kde
[10:47] <AlferedHichcok> i cant understand. where to put        BASE    dc=example,dc=com          and what does the comands  in 'Populating The LDAP Tree' heading in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer        means........ can any one help?
[10:47] <ali3n51> wait i change it to kde 4 to discover something
[10:47] <Lynoure> storbeck: that just baffles me :)
[10:47] <el-gokulo> try kde 3 for some days out. then kde 4. and you should notice the differences
[10:48] <ali3n51> have read the bible
[10:48] <storbeck> Lynoure: I think it's the whole idea of "have a gui for everything"
[10:49] <Lynoure> storbeck: to me too much windows would be forcing to do things through the gui... mostly I don't have to, unless I want to
[10:49] <GSF1200S> how would I make the 'edit as root' option in konquerors right click menu open Kate instead of Kwrite?
[10:50] <storbeck> Hm, you have a point. :D
[10:51] <el-gokulo> GSF1200S, settings -> configure konqueror -> file association
[10:52] <GSF1200S> hmm.. i looked there- guess I need to figure out which option changes the root editor. text files already open up in kate by default, just not when I use the edit as root option
[10:52] <happy> ( so professional it spams by default)
[10:54] <ali3n51> knowleged shall increased according to the book of daniel...
[10:55] <thomaspost> does anybody know if the manual gateway setting is repaired
[10:55] <happy> What program does everyone prefer for partitioning ?
[10:56] <thomaspost> gnome gtk gui partition manager
[10:58] <storbeck> thomaspost: That works in KDE?
[10:59] <SlimeyPete> parted seems to be the favourite
[10:59] <SlimeyPete> but make sure you back up your data first (some bloke didn't do so yesterday and then had a go at me because parted broke ;) )
[11:00] <SlimeyPete> though I didn't even tell him to use it...
[11:00] <SlimeyPete> (some people are odd)
[11:00] <thomaspost> gparted will work in both enviroment so long as you have the dependancy
[11:00] <SlimeyPete> there's qtparted too, for KDE.
[11:00] <thomaspost> qtparted is for kde
[11:01] <happy> that they are, I'm just looking for a partitioner that will show me all current partitions with the ability to mod,add and delete partitions, preferably command line
[11:01] <storbeck> w00t. Finally got rid of firefox.
[11:01] <thomaspost> I normally work off puppy linux to partition
[11:02] <happy> Whys that storbeck ?
[11:02] <Myrth[home]> hi, in which file should i put "export MY_ENV_VAR=..." so kde will be aware of it? .bashrc affects console shell only...
[11:02] <ere4si> try fdisk happy or cfdisk
[11:02] <storbeck> happy, because it's slow
[11:04] <happy> page render times ?
[11:04] <storbeck> Just everything, even opening the browser.
[11:04] <storbeck> I'm going with swiftfox. I can feel a noticable difference.
[11:04] <ere4si> been using swiftfox for a year - it's quicker
[11:05] <storbeck> I'm trying to get apps that use less resources
[11:06] <happy> I never found swiftfox to be faster, infact i thought it was the opposite.... I wonder where I went wrong ?
[11:07] <GSF1200S> Ok, does anyone know the .rc file that controls the config for the right click menu in konqueror?
[11:07] <storbeck> ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[11:07] <ali3n51> welcome back
[11:07] <ali3n51> hello
[11:08] <ali3n51> i explore kde4
[11:08] <ali3n51> there something new in kde 4
[11:09] <emilsedgh> !kde4 | ali3n51
[11:09] <ubotu> ali3n51: KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[11:09] <emilsedgh> ali3n51: btw, its not ready as a daily DE
[11:09] <ali3n51> how to change the bootscreen in kubuntu linux
[11:10] <happy> are there any major problems with swiftfox? I'm thinking of switching right now
[11:11] <ere4si> nope
[11:11] <storbeck> I haven't heard of any
[11:11] <ere4si> it's just an optimised firefox
[11:11] <happy> so updating and plugins all work the same ?
[11:12] <ere4si> plugins do
[11:12] <happy> and updating is just done through apt ?
[11:13] <ere4si> no - it's installed with a script
[11:13] <ere4si> from their site
[11:14] <ali3n51> how to change the boot screen
[11:15] <ere4si> !usplash | ali3n51
[11:15] <ubotu> ali3n51: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[11:15] <GSF1200S> anyone else know of a way to make kate launch when I use the 'edit as root' option?
[11:15] <ali3n51> you mean you want to add in apt
[11:17] <happy> no , i just wanted to know what happens when a new firefox version comes out, how do you go about updating swiftfox ?
[11:17] <ere4si> swiftfox is always one version behind firefox - takes time to optimise it
[11:18] <ere4si> and mozilla doesn't offer swiftfox
[11:19] <happy> yep i gathered that
[11:19] <ere4si> http://getswiftfox.com/ happy
[11:19] <happy> yeah I'm just reading that now, thanks though
[11:19] <ere4si> k
[11:22] <happy> so the bad for swiftfox is it's proprietary, not all plugins are fully compatible and it's always one version behind ?
[11:22] <storbeck> The newest version of firefox isn't always the best one.
[11:23] <ere4si> haven't found a plugin that doesn't work
[11:24] <happy> do you know what kind of performance increase you get ?
[11:25] <gundam_rx78nt1> storbeck: are you still there?
[11:25] <storbeck> Yes
[11:25] <gundam_rx78nt1> I fixed it.
[11:25] <ere4si> happy: it's only a second or two mostly
[11:25] <gundam_rx78nt1> Installed the new kernel 2.6.24-8-generic
[11:25] <storbeck> Nice :D
[11:25] <storbeck> Did you apt-get install it?
[11:26] <gundam_rx78nt1> I like to thank you and stoffer for the help.
[11:26] <gundam_rx78nt1> no, I did a script on the forum
[11:26] <ere4si> dillo is way quicker but hasn't been developed for ages
[11:26] <gundam_rx78nt1> it worked wonderfully.
[11:26] <storbeck> Nice
[11:26] <gundam_rx78nt1> now I am listening to my music.
[11:27] <storbeck> You're welcome
[11:27] <gundam_rx78nt1> well, let me get back to work.  duties call.
[11:27] <storbeck> Have fun
[11:27] <gundam_rx78nt1> see you guys next week.  I am off for the next few days.
[11:28] <gundam_rx78nt1> Going to Vail for some skiing.
[11:29] <storbeck> Haha, those are some nice "work duties"
[11:31] <happy> does anyone know of a program similar to nodebox or processing, except using python running under linux ?
[11:33] <storbeck> pyGTK?
[11:34] <ere4si> happy: this says it's for ubuntu 7.10 - http://dev.nodebox.net/wiki/Qt
[11:37] <storbeck> http://nodebox.net/code/index.php/Movies_for_Mecca
[11:37] <storbeck> Very nice!
[11:38] <happy> Great, thanks for that
[11:39] <storbeck> Nodebox looks neat.
[11:40] <happy> besides mac only
[11:41] <AlferedHichcok> sudo slapadd -l init.ldif          bdb_db_open: only one suffix allowed          backend_startup_one: bi_db_open failed! (-1)           slap_startup failed
[11:43] <happy> I really just want to start off "drawing" with some python code, then make it more complex once i get my head around that, do you think something like nodebox would be the way to go or would there be a library for python that supports that ?
[11:43] <happy> i was thinking maybe pygame ?
[11:44] <happy> sorry for being a bit off topic also
[11:44] <storbeck> You could use pygtk and cairo
[11:44] <storbeck> http://www.pygtk.org/articles/cairo-pygtk-widgets/cairo-pygtk-widgets.htm
[11:45] <storbeck> http://www.cairographics.org
[11:48] <happy> 0.0 wow thanks for that
[11:48] <storbeck> np
[11:50] <storbeck> The FAQ explains how to use the snippets in actual code and how to compile it.
[11:52] <Oscar_Acosta_> how do I disable this icon zooming effect when launching a certain application shortcut from the panel?
[11:59] <bittyx> Hi!
[11:59] <tekteen> hi
[11:59] <bittyx> Can anyone offer me a little help, please?
[11:59] <tekteen> !ask
[11:59] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[12:00] <bittyx> Sorry :) OK, I've just installed kubuntu, everything in order, until I tried to set my resolution - I have a widescreen monitor. I've just set it to LCD 1680x1050, the Generic option, since I couldn't find my particular monitor anywhere on the list.
[12:01] <tekteen> !X
[12:01] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:01] <bittyx> When I restarted, the picture was all mangled, and I can't see anything on my desktop now. It's as if ..
[12:01] <bittyx> OK, thanks :)
[12:02] <tekteen> bittyx: if you can not see the desktop. you may also want to try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in a terminal
[12:03] <tekteen> you can get to a terminal by typing ctrl+alt+F2
[12:03] <tekteen> then back to the main desktop with alt+F7
[12:07] <bittyx> Yup, I just read that part at the linked page, I'm gonna try that now. Thanks again for helping. Bye!
[12:07] <storbeck> Depressing quit message.
[12:08] <Lynoure> storbeck: Luckily mostly untrue for this channel
[12:08] <storbeck> Indeed
[12:09] <storbeck> Anybody know of a slightly nicer looking battery monitor, as opposed to wmacpi?
[12:17] <storbeck> Nevermind, found one
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> lo all
[12:18]  * tekteen is asleep
[12:20] <storbeck> Heh, figures. Whenever I search for something I don't find anything until I ask a question in here. Then I find what I'm looking for immediately.
[12:21] <ere4si> hehe
[12:21] <storbeck> I should just join #sdifoaosdfis
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> storbeck, try wording your searches different
[12:21] <storbeck> Meh
[12:22] <storbeck> I usually find what I'm looking for.
[12:22] <storbeck> I just have to wade through all the garbage results to find a good one. :)
[12:28] <anr1363> hello Everyone
[12:28] <anr1363> Please Help me
[12:28] <anr1363> i need Help
[12:29] <Pici> !ask
[12:29] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> just ask, anr1363
[12:29] <anr1363> pici can i to send provate message
[12:29] <anr1363> ?
[12:30] <Pici> anr1363: Ask the channel
[12:30] <anr1363> in the terminal type Sh
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> anr1363, if you ask in here your question hits more people so there is more chance of a result
[12:30] <anr1363> sh /sbi/chkconfig :permission denied
[12:30] <storbeck> sudo sh /sbi/chkconfig
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> anr1363, tried sudo?
[12:30] <anr1363> my problem this line
[12:30] <anr1363> plz help me
[12:31] <anr1363> i have install IBSng
[12:31] <anr1363> in the last command have this error
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> anr1363, type sudo infront of the command
[12:31] <anr1363> how to remove permission /sbin folder
[12:32] <anr1363> Sh command is workd
[12:32] <anr1363> i dont tyoe this commnad program when install have this error
[12:33] <anr1363> i have type sudo : command nor found
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> anr1363, sudo sh /sbi/chkconfig
[12:34] <anr1363> ok
[12:34] <anr1363> thanks
[12:34] <anr1363> i test
[12:34] <el-gokulo> it wont work probably :)
[12:34]  * ActionParsnip hates spoonfeeding
[12:34] <el-gokulo> sudo sh /sbin/chkconfig
[12:34] <el-gokulo> the n was probably missing
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> el-gokulo, yep but i'm hoping he works that out
[12:35] <el-gokulo> hehe
[12:35] <anr1363> sudo sh /sbin/chkconfig no problem in the terminal
[12:35] <anr1363> in the setup program have error
[12:36]  * ActionParsnip cheers
[12:36] <anr1363> sh: /sbin/chkconfig : permission denied  have this line
[12:36] <storbeck> Heh
[12:37] <anr1363> IBSng <~~~~~~
[12:37] <storbeck> Try: sudo chkconfig
[12:37] <anr1363> ok
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> anr1363, http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/s1-services-chkconfig.html
[12:38] <anr1363> i have ubuntu 7.10 server
[12:38] <storbeck> anr1363: Did that work?
[12:39] <anr1363> sudo chkconfig dos't world
[12:39] <anr1363> work
[12:39] <storbeck> What's the error?
[12:40]  * Dr_willis cant rember ever using chkconfig
[12:41] <anr1363> sudo chkconfig command error
[12:41] <storbeck> What is the error?
[12:42] <anr1363> bash command not foeund
[12:42] <storbeck> and sudo sh /sbin/chkconfig gives you permission denied?
[12:42] <storbeck> Are you sure you typed in the password right?
[12:42] <anr1363> in the terminal dont have error
[12:43] <anr1363> in the IBSng program installer have error
[12:43] <storbeck> To be honest, I have no idea what you're saying. Sorry
[12:43] <anr1363> this line sh: /sbin/chkcinfig :permission denied
[12:43] <anr1363> ok
[12:43] <anr1363> thanks
[12:46] <adred> hi how to remove KDE groupware wizard?
[12:47] <storbeck> adred: What is the package name?
[12:49] <adred> i dont know why im asking i dont how to remove it by using konsole. usually i just remove apps by their name but KDE group wizard has broken long name...
[12:49] <adred> i dont know thats why im asking bcoz i dont how to remove it by using konsole. usually i just remove apps by their name but KDE group wizard has broken long name...
[12:49] <Dr_willis> it may not be a specific ap. it may be part of a larget package
[12:49] <adred> u mean it is a group of apps?
[12:50] <Dr_willis> No idea. I cant recall ever using any groupware stuff.  I doubt if its a single package all by itself.
[12:51] <Dr_willis> You could use the package manager tool and search for the filename and see what package its found in.
[12:51] <storbeck> Try, sudo apt-get remove egroupware
[12:51] <adred> im on it
[12:52] <adred> egroupware it not installed
[12:52] <storbeck> bah
[12:54] <storbeck> do dpkg -l > output
[12:54] <storbeck> then look through there until something looks like it
[12:55] <storbeck> kolab?
[12:58] <adred> egroupware is not installed
[12:58] <adred> i tried searching it in adept,,,not luck
[12:58] <storbeck> Yes, I saw you say that.
[12:58] <JuJuBee> Greetings...  I have a shell script I wish to run as a cron job.  I can run it from CLI, but for some reason it does not execute via crontab... Any help?
[12:59] <storbeck> JuJuBee: http://www.adminschoice.com/docs/crontab.htm
[12:59] <Dr_willis> JuJuBee,  give the full path to the script
[12:59] <Dr_willis> and you are wanting the script ran as root?
[13:00] <JuJuBee> My crontab entry is 0 2 * * 1,2,3,4,5 /usr/local/myCrons/dothis.sh
[13:00] <storbeck> Did you chmod it?
[13:00] <bittyx> Hi, it's me again. I've managed to restore my screen resolution rather easily, but, again, it's 1280x1024, instead of the wide 1680x1050 it's supposed to be. I've tried the autodetect script, and editing the xorg.conf. Neither works. I don't think other solutions apply to me. Could my video card cause such a problem?
[13:01] <Dr_willis> Its possible its the moniotr not reporting that it can do that res.
[13:01] <storbeck> JuJuBee: chmod +x /usr/local/myCrons/dothis.sh
[13:01] <Dr_willis> I recall using a xmodeline generator web site ages ago for my widescreen laptop. But i havent had to mess with that in ages.
[13:01] <omeow> Hi there.
[13:02] <JuJuBee> Already +x
[13:02] <JuJuBee> I have 2 that I need run as cron, one runs fine the other does not.
[13:02] <bittyx> Well, actually, when I run the autodetect, there's the part where it displays the possible resolutions, with some already selected. The 1680x1050 is selected already. When I go to System Settings -> Monitor & Display, the largest possible resolution is 1280x1024, whereas the Refresh rate is 76 Hz (I cannot change it), instead of 60 Hz, which my monitor would support.
[13:03] <jussi01> bittyx: try this, under the "Monitor" section add a bit tht says         Option "Preferred Mode" "1680x1050_60.00"
[13:03] <jussi01> but with your preferred mode
[13:03] <jussi01> leave off the _60.00
[13:04] <storbeck> Shouldn't it be 1-5 instead of 1,2,3,4,5?
[13:04] <omeow> Adept just installed a list of updates and now I can no longer type a double quote. If I try it, then a / appears instead. What happened?
[13:04] <JuJuBee> storebeck, according to the docs, it is comman separated list
[13:04] <storbeck> Hm
[13:05] <Dr_willis> I thouight 1-5 was the same as 1,2,3,4,5
[13:05] <jussi01> omeow: sound like your keyboard variant got changed
[13:05] <jussi01> !keyboard
[13:05] <ubotu> To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[13:05] <Dr_willis> but i rarely use cron. :)
[13:05] <omeow> jussi01: It's still set to US int which is what it was set to before.
[13:06] <jussi01> omeow: not sure then :(
[13:06] <storbeck> Your crontab entry seems valid
[13:06] <storbeck> I don't see why it's not working
[13:07] <bittyx> jussi01: Nope, tried the preferred mode, with and without _60.00. Still the same. Any other ideas? I'm really new to Linux so I have no idea how things go with drivers and such - perhaps there is a problem with those?
[13:07] <adred> hi, i think its the KDE server configuration wizards. package name, kdepim-wizards. il try removing it
[13:07] <JuJuBee> Me either.  I have several crons running.  All files have same file perms, just this one not working.
[13:07] <storbeck> Does crontab -l display it right?
[13:07] <JuJuBee> appears to
[13:07] <jussi01> !fixres | bittyx have you tried the instructions here?
[13:07] <ubotu> bittyx have you tried the instructions here?: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[13:08] <jussi01> bittyx: and just checking, you did restartx after making the change?
[13:08] <storbeck> How long have you ad it running?
[13:08] <storbeck> had*
[13:08] <bittyx> Yup. The options that would apply to me don't change anything.
[13:08] <bittyx> Well, does CTRL+ALT+BKSP do the same?
[13:09] <bittyx> If yes, then I've done that.
[13:09] <JuJuBee> I have been using it since Sept.  It was running at 8am at first, but then I changed the time to 7am and now it doesn't work.  So I tried 2am instead and same, not working.
[13:09] <storbeck> Ah
[13:09] <adred> i have removed it thanks..:)
[13:09] <jussi01> bittyx: should yes. but its generally better to log out and ctrl+e ;)
[13:10] <JuJuBee> Ah ? you see something?
[13:10] <storbeck> Heh, so it only works at 8AM?
[13:10] <bittyx> jussi01: Ah, what does ctrl+e do?
[13:10] <JuJuBee> Well, I did not try setting it back to 8, I want it run earlier if possible.
[13:11] <bittyx> jussi01: Nevermind, I'm just gonna try it. Is there any other place where I could find ideas as to what the problem is?
[13:11] <jussi01> bittyx: restarts x if you are at the login screen :)
[13:11] <storbeck> I don't know. I'm stumped
[13:11] <adred> Hi, how do I remove the files from ~/.thumbnails through the konsole?
[13:11] <JuJuBee> I will try 8am again and see what happens
[13:11] <jussi01> bittyx: the link the bot gave you would be a good place to start
[13:11] <JuJuBee> Can't believe it will make a diff.
[13:11] <storbeck> adred: rm -rf ~/.thumbnails/*
[13:11] <jussi01> bittyx: also, what kind of gfx card you have?
[13:11] <JuJuBee> Where does cron log errors?
[13:12] <bittyx> jussi01: Perhaps there is a problem with the video card? The autodetect script sets vesa as the default driver.
[13:12] <jussi01> bittyx: which card is it?
[13:13] <bittyx> jussi01: I've already been to that link, it doesn't help. As to the video card, it's an Asus EAH2400PRO. It's a rather cheap card, but it works fine with WinXP, so I suppose it should work here, too.
[13:13] <storbeck> /var/log/cron
[13:13] <JuJuBee> I don't have a /var/log/cron
[13:13] <storbeck> Hrm
[13:13] <jussi01> bittyx: can you pastebin your xorg.conf for me?
[13:13] <jussi01> !paste > bittyx
[13:14] <bittyx> jussi01: OK, just a sec.
[13:15] <adred> storbeck: thanks :)
[13:15] <storbeck> np
[13:16] <bittyx> jussi01: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57458/
[13:16] <jussi01> !ati | bittyx please follow these instructions
[13:16] <ubotu> bittyx please follow these instructions: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:16] <storbeck> JuJuBee: /var/log/syslog
[13:17] <jussi01> bittyx: it is an ati 2400, which need the fglrx driver
[13:18] <storbeck> You could, sudo grep CRON /var/log/syslog
[13:19] <JuJuBee> Yea, I found it, it looks like it ran, but did not as far as I can see.
[13:19] <storbeck> Maybe the script is messed up?
[13:19] <JuJuBee> Feb 26 02:00:01 CiscoServer /USR/SBIN/CRON[4063]: (aitadmin) CMD (/usr/local/myCrons/dothis.sh)
[13:19] <JuJuBee> No, the script runs as expected if I run from cli
[13:20] <adred> Hi, does the "frostwire connect issue" has a defined solution? I've searched through buntu forums but I couldn't find one...
[13:20] <storbeck> Is it running as root?
[13:20] <JuJuBee> Yes, using sudo in the script
[13:20] <JuJuBee> sudo /usr/local/myCrons/dothis.sh
[13:20] <Sbucatone_> hello who knows what is fuoco tools ?
[13:20] <storbeck> Does it ask you for the password when using it in CLI?
[13:20] <JuJuBee> No
[13:21] <JuJuBee> I added me to sudo group
[13:21] <storbeck> Weird, I don't know
[13:21] <storbeck> I don't understand why if it was set at 8, and all you did was change times, it magically stopped working
[13:22] <JuJuBee> Me either.  The email I get says it completed, but when I check, nothing happened.
[13:23] <JuJuBee> Does the order of the list in crontab make a diff?
[13:23] <storbeck> Not that I know of
[13:23] <JuJuBee> didn't think so, but worth a try...
[13:24] <jussi01> bittyx: how are things going?
[13:26] <bittyx> jussi01: I'm installing the restricted modules :)
[13:26] <jussi01> great :)
[13:26] <bittyx> jussi01: (Not so fast internet connection)
[13:26] <ere4si> Sbucatone_, http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Fuoco+Tools?content=73886 - will tell you
[13:26] <jussi01> bittyx: do let us know how it works for you :)
[13:27] <bittyx> jussi01: Of course, I sure hope it helps. :)
[13:29] <OsirisX> !geggo
[13:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about geggo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:30] <bittyx> jussi01: If it doesn't I will probably consider buying a better video card - I've found that this one causes trouble even in WinXP from time to time. As I do not plan on playing games at all/doing anything heavier than Photoshop, do you have any suggestions as to which I should get? Preferably something that's guaranteed to work with kubuntu :)
[13:32] <jussi01> nvidia
[13:33] <jussi01> 7950 is nice and I know it works out of the box with kubuntu
[13:34] <adred> why is it that whenever i try to install xmms on my box,  its icon won't appear on my menu?
[13:35] <Dr_willis> sime times kde dosent see menu changes.
[13:36] <Dr_willis> xmms is a bit old and out of date in many ways. You may want to start trying other media players
[13:36] <adred> i mean xmms2. is it old?
[13:36] <Dr_willis> xmms2 - was way -- flakey/weird last i tried it.  i havent tried it again in ages.
[13:36] <Dr_willis> i stick with 'bmpx' these days
[13:37] <adred> ok. is audacious good?
[13:37] <Dr_willis> If it does what you need. :)
[13:37] <Dr_willis> try it and see
[13:37] <Dr_willis> amarok is also nice
[13:37]  * jussi01 likes the stock amarok :)
[13:38] <adred> i see. thank you :)
[13:39] <storbeck> I like audacious.
[13:39] <storbeck> xmms uses less cpu/memory though.
[13:40] <Dr_willis> mpg123 *.mp3
[13:40] <adred> weird, im scanning now. clamav has detected 29 viruses already and it's half way...
[13:40] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:40] <adred> still
[13:40] <dasnipa> 29 viruses? you be screwed
[13:41] <storbeck> You have 29 viruses on linux?
[13:41] <adred> yeah, it's crystal clear
[13:41] <adred> i think it's on my windoze partition
[13:41] <adred> is it?
[13:41] <storbeck> Heh, Windows IS the virus.
[13:42] <Dr_willis> clamv - scans windows systems for window viruses - correct. :)
[13:42] <Dr_willis> Not sure what it does if anything for linux systems
[13:42] <jussi01> Dr_willis: it scans linux systems for windows viruses also... (ie. in email)
[13:42] <adred> so will clamav delete them?
[13:43] <adred> what if those files are crucial to my windoze system?:(
[13:43] <Dr_willis> adred,  good question.. it depends on if it found the virus 'installed' or Just IN a file..
[13:43] <Dr_willis> there may be 29 warez apps with ciruses in them. that you havent ran..
[13:44] <Dr_willis> OR there may be a bunch all over the system/windows dir and other places..
[13:45] <teo->  i have broadcom 4311 card.. and i dont have linux driver i am using windows driver with ndiswrapper can i put the card in monitor mode??
[13:45] <adred> but they wont any harm to my box right?
[13:45] <adred> do
[13:45] <adred> i mean kubuntu box
[13:46] <Dr_willis> since they are not getting 'ran' - No.
[13:46] <Dr_willis> unless you are using wine. and running the binaries that are infected
[13:50] <adred> Dr_willis: have you experienced this? Should I delete those viruses? im going crazy, clamav detects 52 viruses already. but my Kaspersky doesn't even notice it..
[13:50] <Dr_willis> depends on what its finding.. and if they are false positives
[13:50] <Dr_willis> and where they are at.
[13:50] <jussi01> bittyx: so, how did things go?
[13:50] <bittyx> jussi01: Nyah, nothing. I guess I'll just give up. :(
[13:50] <Dr_willis> at the  LEAST i would run a few other virus checker tools
[13:50] <jussi01> bittyx: dont give up yet, can I see your xorg.conf now?
[13:51] <Dr_willis> 52 false positives - i would say would be rare. :)
[13:51] <bittyx> jussi01: I've reverted it to the same one I've pasted for you - I couldn't even startx with the modified one
[13:51] <adred> lol..so i guess i should scan through the list...
[13:52] <jussi01> bittyx: that is weird
[13:53] <dverzolla> has anyone using kde4 from launchpad?
[13:53] <bittyx> jussi01: I can guess why it didn't work - everything went fine until I had to type "sudo aticonfig --initial"
[13:54] <dverzolla> I'm getting troubles with screensaver... how solve this?
[13:54] <bittyx> jussi01: That displays a lot of stuff, and in the end, "Aborted (core dumped)"
[13:54] <bittyx> jussi01: The next command also says "Warning: Could not find configuration file"
[13:55] <bittyx> jussi01: Now, in the manual you linked me to, there's a comment that aticonfig doesn't seem to work for Gutsy Gibbons, which is what I'm using, and that is from the Feisty part of the manual.
[13:55] <bittyx> jussi01: But the instructions for Gibbons just point to Feisty.
[13:56] <adred> Dr_willis: I was wrong, around 90 percent of 52 are just errors.lol. clamav couldn't access to root files of my box thus the error reports :)
[13:59] <bittyx> jussi01: Oh, btw, the "lspci -nn | grep VGA" command, which should report the graphics controller; I get this when i type it: "02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device [1002:94c3]"
[13:59] <csandoval> hey
[14:00] <csandoval> hey du bisch da?
[14:00] <igvozdev> jojo
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[14:00] <csandoval> voll easy da
[14:01] <csandoval> gits au fütz da?
[14:01] <igvozdev> ja man und sucht no paar idiote xD
[14:01] <csandoval> hhahaaha
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[14:01] <igvozdev> lug die gohnd alli use
[14:01] <igvozdev> angst vo k4
[14:01] <jussi01> !en
[14:01] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[14:02] <csandoval> hehe
[14:02] <csandoval> Kreis 4 Panik Revier
[14:02] <igvozdev> ohhhh its english u know
[14:02] <igvozdev> xD
[14:02] <csandoval> we fuck all english guys
[14:02] <igvozdev> sandoval u must speak english or the kill us
[14:02] <csandoval> we are swiss soldiers
[14:02] <igvozdev> swiss soldiers xD
[14:02] <csandoval> hahahahaa
[14:02] <igvozdev> das ich ned lach
[14:03] <csandoval> leopolda isch das e frau
[14:03] <csandoval> was root
[14:03] <igvozdev> swule
[14:03] <csandoval> nur mir sind root
[14:06] <lod__air> hi, i've just upgraded gutsy to hardy alfa 5, i'm with ati and X is so slow
[14:06] <Pici> !hardy
[14:06] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[14:09] <proge> is this the official "noobs ask here" channel or would u like to point me somewhere else?
[14:09] <jussi01> proge: this is it :)
[14:09] <Lynoure> this is it
[14:09] <proge> nice
[14:10] <proge> i just installed kubuntu and i'm trying to use adept manager to get packages for Nvidia drivers
[14:10] <proge> but it gives me "Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude)." when i try to start adept manager
[14:11] <proge> checked processes and there's nothing that would hint towards adept, apt-get or aptitude :P
[14:11] <jussi01> !adeptfix | proge
[14:11] <ubotu> proge: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:11] <proge> k, thanks
[14:32] <bladerunner> ciao
[14:32] <bladerunner> qualcuno da cagliari?
[14:32] <linuxboy97> can anyone help me please
[14:33] <jussi01> !ask | linuxboy97
[14:33] <ubotu> linuxboy97: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[14:34] <linuxboy97> when running konqueror when in live cxd mode is it sopost to me really slow
[14:35] <jussi01> linuxboy97: the livecd can be really slow
[14:35] <linuxboy97> ok
[14:36] <jussi01> linuxboy97: its quite fast here installed
[14:37] <linuxboy97> just wondering because it feels like dial-up
[14:38] <tinin> !webcam
[14:38] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[14:38] <cafka>  bzip2 -dc patch-2.6.24.3.bz2 | patch -p1 -s   i have used this command to patch the kernel.. but a setup is displayed to choose what files to be patched is there a command to patch all files??
[14:38] <jussi01> linuxboy97: yeah, it mightr be also some other things, like ipv6 but most likely the live cd
[14:39] <linuxboy97> yea that what i thought too
[14:39] <jussi01> !pv6
[14:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pv6 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:39] <jussi01> !ipv6
[14:39] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[14:59] <cafka> how can i install new kernel?
[15:01] <llutz> cafka: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43065&highlight=kernel+compilation
[15:02] <nosrednaekim> too late
[15:02] <jussi01> !kernel
[15:02] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[15:04] <adred> Is there a linux version of Super Texttwist? :)
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> what does that do?
[15:06] <adred> Super Texttwist is a game :)
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> oh... there might be...if tis a simple game (like a card game) chances are there is
[15:12] <bullgard4> I'm using prdominantly Gnome and Kexi all days. Can kstart accomplish that Kexi will start always on the third workspace after boot-up?
[15:13] <bullgard4> Hi Czessi !
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> bullgard4: no... that would be a window manager function...
[15:13] <Czessi> Hi bullgard4
[15:13] <adred> how do i install wine? what are the requirements?
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> !wine
[15:13] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[15:13] <mrunagi> sup nosrednaekim
[15:13] <bullgard4> nosrednaekim: Thank you for informing.
[15:15] <proge> Ctrl+Alt+F1, then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop" and i should end up in shell with kdm off right?
[15:15] <mrunagi> proge doing it in a terminal should too
[15:15] <nosrednaekim> proge: yes
[15:15] <nosrednaekim> proge: you can also select "console session" in kdm
[15:16] <proge> i'm installing nvidia drivers and the HOW To tells me to shut down kdm
[15:16] <proge> but i end up with just a black screen after that :S
[15:16] <mrunagi> then switch to a virtual terminal
[15:17]  * jussi01 wonders if proge has tried/thought about the restricted manger drivers yet
[15:17] <proge> nope
[15:17] <mrunagi> lol
[15:17] <mrunagi> why not
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> proge: try "ctrl+alt+f2"
[15:17] <proge> cause i'm a noob and i dont know what those are tbh :)
[15:17] <mrunagi> try restricted drivers before trying ctrl alt f2
[15:18] <mrunagi> k menu > settings > advanced > restricted drivers
[15:19] <proge> well that's sure easier, heh, thank you
[15:20] <mrunagi> lol
[15:23] <omeow> Adept just installed a list of updates and now I can no longer type a double quote. If I try it, then a / appears instead. What happened? My keyboard layout did not change. It's still set to what it was. US int.
[15:24] <linuxboy97> is there anyway of upgrading from 6.06 lts to 7.10
[15:27] <BluesKaj> wow, kubuntu is seriously borked on my setup ..2 clean installs and still no login page, it's just not coming up.
[15:28] <mrunagi> it angers me BluesKaj are you canadian?
[15:29] <mrunagi> wow i totally mixed two sentences
[15:29] <mrunagi> lol
[15:29] <linuxboy97> lol
[15:29] <BluesKaj> I wonder how many others have suffered the same fate from those upgrade and updates that are obviously seriously flawed for some systems
[15:29] <mrunagi> BluesKaj: just remove the language packages
[15:29] <BluesKaj> I did
[15:29] <mrunagi> interesting
[15:30] <mrunagi> i was gonna say it angers me when my upload speed on a torrent is 100kbs and my download is 25kbs
[15:30] <mrunagi> but thats offtopic im sure
[15:30] <BluesKaj> not even a tty prompt
[15:30] <BluesKaj> tty prompt won't evn come up
[15:31] <mrunagi> what about when you ctrl alt f1 or f2
[15:31] <BluesKaj> yes I'm canadian mrunagi , why do you ask ?
[15:31] <mrunagi> because its the canadian packages doing the damage
[15:31] <BluesKaj> mrunagi , that's exactly what I'm doing...as if the KB doesn't exist
[15:32] <mrunagi> for once im glad im not canadian
[15:32] <mrunagi> =x
[15:32] <mrunagi> sounds like a serious problem
[15:33] <BluesKaj> how can that be , the packages are the same , just in different locations except for time and palce
[15:34] <mrunagi> i dunno what to tell you man
[15:34] <mrunagi> remove the en-can packages and it should be fixed
[15:35] <Arwen> w00t, xrandr is awesome
[15:51] <mrunagi> ECHO.........
[15:51] <mrunagi> echooooooooo
[15:52] <linuxboy97> its dead
[15:52] <mrunagi> you killed them!
[15:52] <mrunagi> j00!
[15:53] <mrunagi> a watched torrent never downloads
[15:53] <mrunagi> lol
[15:53] <mrunagi> im so clever
[15:54] <king_> Hello all, I'm having trouble with my adept (database is locked) it's a fresh install and the Fixing solution offered by adept doesnt work too
[15:57] <pag> !aptfix | king_
[15:57] <ubotu> king_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:59] <king_> pag, Tnx m8
[16:00] <pag> np :)
[16:00] <mrunagi> i cant figure out why kopete can display my webcam, cat /dev/video0 accurately checks the cam...........but vlc cant display nor record my cam data
[16:00] <BluesKaj> ok, now mrunagi, is it official that the Canadian repos/updates that are to blame for the broken kubuntus ?
[16:00] <mrunagi> thats the word around the monitor glow
[16:02] <BluesKaj> I see mrunagi so I I choose my location as US city in the same time zone as me , then I'm safe ?  :-)
[16:02] <mrunagi> i think more or less you need to manually remove the language packs
[16:02] <mrunagi> but you could try that too
[16:02] <pietje_phuck> Or choose an European location and change the time zone?
[16:03] <Eduardiyo> hi room
[16:03] <mrunagi> HI Eduardiyo
[16:03] <mrunagi> !welcom
[16:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about welcom - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:03] <mrunagi> !welcome
[16:03] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[16:03] <Eduardiyo> any meets a dvd-creator for linux please?
[16:03] <mrunagi> !dvd | Eduardiyo
[16:03] <ubotu> Eduardiyo: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[16:03] <BluesKaj> mrunagi , you guys don't seem to understand , there's no acces to tty , or login or any way of removing the language packs , which i din't upgrade anyway , BTW
[16:04] <Eduardiyo> no, to create a dvd getting a divx movie
[16:04] <mrunagi> i dunno how to help you then BluesKaj
[16:04] <mrunagi> Eduardiyo: what language is your native
[16:04] <Eduardiyo> mrunagi: nothing bye, im spanish
[16:04] <mrunagi> did i offend him?
[16:05] <BluesKaj> right, so I'm gonna do a clean install using a US location .
[16:05] <pietje_phuck> Eduardiyo: try "tovid" bit clumsy if you are used to guiis, but it works for me
[16:05] <mrunagi> he left =/
[16:05] <pietje_phuck> I am toooooo slow
[16:05] <mrunagi> i think i offended him but im not sure how
[16:06] <Arwen> zzz... ah well, they should all learn English...
[16:06] <pietje_phuck> should?
[16:06] <pietje_phuck> Why should we not all learn Spanish?
[16:07] <Arwen> because it's a silly language with silly declensions/inflections/genders
[16:07] <BluesKaj> tovid rocks if you have the right dependencies , go to #tovid to get the page
[16:07] <Arwen> zzz... avisynth...
[16:09] <neosaki> Admiral_Chicago, look at the crystalized water falling from the upper atmosphere!
[16:09] <pietje_phuck> lol
[16:14] <ieroglif> всем привет
[16:14] <BluesKaj> !ru
[16:14] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[16:16] <mrunagi> Arwen: english has genders too theyre just implied =)
[16:20] <Arwen> oh god firefox 3 sucks...
[16:21] <PolitikerALT> for me it works perfectly
[16:21] <Arwen> ...zooming out on an image turns it into a black square...
[16:22] <leitz> where do i define samba workgroup using KDE on kubuntu 6.02 LTS?
[16:22] <Arwen> 6.02?
[16:22] <leitz> 6.0
[16:23] <leitz> LTS
[16:23] <leitz> whatever
[16:23] <BluesKaj> dapper ?
[16:23] <leitz> yep
[16:23] <leitz> with KDE
[16:23] <jpatrick> !enter | leitz
[16:23] <ubotu> leitz: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:24] <leitz> I change my smb.conf putting workgroup=MYWORKGROUP and it keeps changing to some default WORKGROUP
[16:25] <leitz> any help?
[16:25] <leitz> and sorry for the ponctuation thing
[16:26] <BluesKaj> leitz:  that's prolly cuz your windows pc is named Workgroup and thet's waht samba sees on the network
[16:26] <leitz> no it isnt
[16:27] <BluesKaj> how are you connecting to your home network, with konq ?
[16:27] <leitz> all the network is ubuntu, except one wich is gOS
[16:28] <mrunagi> ktorrent doesnt accurately calculate time remaining and its annoying =(
[16:28] <leitz> the rest of the network is Gnome and I have no trouble there
[16:29] <leitz> I just cant change the configuration properly on 1 computer
[16:29] <BluesKaj> does the connection work ?
[16:29] <leitz> yes it works
[16:29] <BluesKaj> so why worry ?
[16:30] <leitz> the problem is not the connection i just dont want to have 2 workgroups
[16:30] <BluesKaj> use the default one
[16:30] <leitz> specially on linux machines
[16:31] <leitz> I dont want to use the default
[16:31] <leitz> I just want to know how to change samba workgroup configuration on KDE dapper
[16:31] <BluesKaj> !samba
[16:31] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[16:32] <leitz> I already have samba working
[16:32] <llutz> leitz: restarted samba after change?
[16:32] <leitz> and the problem is not (G)ubuntu
[16:32] <BluesKaj> maybe there's some useful info there
[16:33] <Arwen> Firefox 3 can't display images wtf
[16:34] <BluesKaj> Arwen: java
[16:34] <Arwen> java?
[16:34] <BluesKaj> FF3 is a PITA anyway
[16:35] <BluesKaj> bleeding edge is exactly that if you like to bleed , use it :)
[16:35] <leitz> llutz yes i did restarted it
[16:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's not the worst browser ever
[16:36] <Arwen> BluesKaj, I would hope that at beta 3 they'd have fixed something as obvious as that...
[16:36] <Arwen> http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3722/screen1sl2.png <-- I mean, this just reeks of b0rk
[16:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> rollback the ui changes and keep the major fixes they did, and i would be thrilled
[16:37] <Arwen> IT IS BROKEN
[16:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, i would say that's broken
[16:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> though i haven't seen any images personally that it wouldn't display.  is that just for local images?
[16:38] <Arwen> nah, all images
[16:38] <Arwen> but only when resized to fit the screen
[16:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> odd
[16:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm not able to reproduce that :\
[16:39] <Arwen> well, time to try cleaning out my profile...
[16:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> 3.0b3pre?
[16:40] <Arwen> yes
[16:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> hrmm...
[16:41] <Arwen> nope, still b0rk3d with a clean profile
[16:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> my biggest peeve with ff3 is live bookmarks not automatically updating
[16:44] <Arwen> mine is the address bar being screwed up...
[16:44] <Arwen> and GTK-QT being broken
[16:44] <Arwen> and the fonts not being anti-aliased right
[16:45]  * genii sticks with hif 2.0.0.11
[16:45] <genii> bleh typos
[16:45] <Arwen> they rolled it out in Hardy.... argh...
[16:45]  * genii pries his eyes open to look for coffee
[16:45] <Arwen> and whoever the maintainer is is so incompetent that they forgot to package the dev headers...
[16:45] <lovre> hi all
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[16:46] <lovre> when i add new panel (kicker->add new panel), how do i change it height? i can change only kicker's height, but not my custom panel's?
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> lovre: you need to log out, log back in, and then you can select which panel to edit the config of.... or just run "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[16:48] <lovre> nosrednaekim: ill try
[16:48] <BluesKaj> BBIAB , gonna reboot to see if this location change and new install will hold .
[16:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> fair rant
[16:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm sure ff2 will still be available
[16:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> and i agree about the address bad
[16:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> bar*
[16:54] <dimitris> wldm
[17:01] <yao_ziyuan> in ubuntu i can see all the 3d window effects
[17:01] <yao_ziyuan> what about kubuntu?
[17:02] <yao_ziyuan> i can't find anything about 3d desktop effects in kubuntu's menu
[17:02] <GSF1200S> try compiz --replace in a terminal
[17:02] <flipstar> you have to install compit for that
[17:02] <flipstar> *compiz
[17:02] <GSF1200S> yeah, you have to have compiz-kde installed for that too
[17:03] <GSF1200S> open up the adept installer and install compiz-kde as well as any plugins you want, and activate it by typing: compiz --replace in a terminal
[17:03] <yao_ziyuan> flipstar: compiz is already installed
[17:03] <yao_ziyuan> it just doesn't automatically take effect for kde
[17:04] <flipstar> no, kwin is the standart window manager for kde
[17:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> !compiz
[17:04] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> there, no more misinformation.
[17:07] <flipstar> yao_ziyuan: you might follow this guide to have compiz as default window manager.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=511389
[17:09] <JoTrocken> hi - is there any step-by-step manual how to get compiz working with kubuntu-gutsy?
[17:09] <yao_ziyuan> sigh
[17:09] <yao_ziyuan> i'd just use gnome instead
[17:10] <JoTrocken> well...I dont want to use gnome
[17:10] <andy> sigh am getting fed up with kubuntu it might be me being thick but it just doesnt seem to work properly
[17:11] <JoTrocken> hm...
[17:11] <Lynoure> andy: what kind of "not working properly" are you experiencing?
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> andy: whats wrong?
[17:12] <andy> i just uninstalled wine and deleted it from my K menu reinstalled wine and it hasn't installed icons on k menu
[17:13] <andy> why wouldn't it install icons?
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> andy: you may have to restart KDE
[17:15] <andy> ok brb
[17:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> seems he has ctrl-alt-backspace down :)
[17:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> welcome back
[17:15] <andy> nope still no there
[17:15] <andy> ty
[17:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> check lost & found or Other (don't remember which would have it)
[17:17] <Lynoure> On my system Wine icons went unintuitively into a category of their own, so I only noticed them when I was about to give up hope on finding them :)
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: lol
[17:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> Lynoure: it actually makes sense to do it that way - categories are determined by packages (initially), and windows apps aren't packaged in that way...  i guess if there were a database for wine that saw what you installed, it could put it in the proper category, but putting all windows programs together, while not entirely intuitive, does make sense
[17:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> and that was a whole lot of s-o-c typing so forgive me if i repeated myself
[17:20] <BluesKaj> interesting , adept notfier wants me to update packages and when I do (leaving out any languager packages of course), it fails with this message :There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: has someone reported that bug yet?
[17:21]  * BluesKaj is losing confidence in kubuntu's ability to run a stable OS on this setup
[17:22] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim:  just did a clean install , using the US as location due to the Canadian repos sending down borked updates
[17:23] <ghost> BluesKaj: i've been getting that exact same thing
[17:23] <Lynoure> Daisuke_Laptop: yes, you are right, it does
[17:23] <flipstar> Uptime:           22 days, 3:56:32.00
[17:23] <ghost> BluesKaj: also just did a clean install
[17:23] <flipstar> whats your problem ?
[17:24] <ghost> BluesKaj: go into the terminal and try to install one of those packeges withapt-get.. you should get the same error but it'll showu how to fix it
[17:24] <tzd> i can't remove some things in my thrash bin, can someone help me please?
[17:24] <ghost> BluesKaj: some kind of dpkg-***** option
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> tzd: how did you delete them?
[17:25] <andy> i have a choice of buying a wii or upgrading PC what should i do?
[17:26] <nosrednaekim> andy: get a wii :)
[17:26] <BluesKaj> I'm afraid that i may be in a vicious circle like yesterday , where if i update any pkges , because there are so many after an install it'll break my setup .
[17:26] <ghost> wdh. I restarted today and my konqueror is gone
[17:26] <nosrednaekim> then use the wiimote to control the computer :)
[17:26] <andy> nosrednaekim: thats the conclusion i came to but the games are so expensive
[17:26] <tzd> nosrednaekim: the files are still in my thrash bin. I most likely moved them there by pressing "del" while the files where marked. The error message I get is: Could not remove catalogue /home/.Trash-1000/files/johan/.gnupg.
[17:26]  * mrunagi wishes torrents would go faster
[17:26] <ghost> andy: get a wii! the only game u'll need is smash brothers brawl
[17:26] <BluesKaj> gonna hide adept notifier
[17:27] <mrunagi> 360 > wii > ps3
[17:27] <nosrednaekim> tzd: you were probably root (or sudoed) when you dleted them
[17:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> !ot
[17:27] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[17:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> but for the record, i agree with mrunagi
[17:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> :D
[17:27] <flipstar> ghost: what do you mean with 'gone' ? did you uninstalled ?
[17:27] <mrunagi> PC > 360 > wii > ps3
[17:27] <tzd> nosrednaekim: ah alright. So if login as su in dolphin, will i be able to remove the files?
[17:27] <mrunagi> ooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOooooooooooooh
[17:28] <ghost> flipstar: no i didn't. I tried to suspend last night and couldn't get out so i had to hard shut-down. but now it seems konqueror is uninstalled.
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> mrunagi: yes?
[17:28] <andy> going to wipe kubuntu yet again bbl people
[17:28] <flipstar> ghost: did you do an fsck ?
[17:28] <mrunagi> nosrednaekim: no?
[17:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> why wipe?
[17:28] <andy> maybe i should try suse again
[17:28] <ghost> flipstar: no, should i have after every hard shutdown? >.<
[17:29] <andy> cause stupid me or stupid kubuntu isn't working properly
[17:29] <flipstar> ghost: usally not..but in this case it might be helpful..
[17:30] <Lynoure> andy: I'd start with not just installing but purging wine, and then installing it again
[17:30] <Lynoure> It seems radical to reinstall or wipe over missing icons
[17:30] <flipstar> ghost: if it just konqueror you might only reinstall it
[17:31] <Ahmuck> is there a way to get files from one pc to another using usb cable?
[17:31] <andy> Lynoure: done that
[17:31] <rickest> Ahmuck: only if a pen drive is attached to the cable :)
[17:31] <andy> reinstalled but still no kmenu icons
[17:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> what, just for wine?
[17:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're reinstalling kubuntu just because there's no wine icons?
[17:32] <ghost> andy: are you reusing your /home partition from a previous install
[17:32] <rickest> Ahmuck: or something like http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=275561
[17:32] <Ahmuck> in the old dos days, and windows 9x days you could hook up a serial cable from one pc to another and do data transfer.  since usb is serial, linux doesn't have this?
[17:32] <nosrednaekim> Ahmuck: usually not....most computers do not have client chips on the USB ports
[17:32] <andy> nope
[17:33] <andy> ghost: was a fresh install on whole drive
[17:33] <mrunagi> anyone know how to emulate dvd drives?
[17:33] <flipstar> gisomount
[17:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> mrunagi: or acetoneiso
[17:33] <mark__> can't log into kubuntu     I'm able to do a consol log in but the gui gets as far as init services and then send me back to the log in
[17:33] <mrunagi> thats just a graphical front end to mount isnt it flipstar?
[17:33] <Ahmuck> rickest: so think this would work?
[17:33] <mrunagi> !info acetoneiso
[17:33] <ubotu> Package acetoneiso does not exist in gutsy
[17:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> nope, i think it's through one of the kde sites
[17:33] <ghost> mrunagi: yes it's just a front end
[17:34] <flipstar> mrunagi: i dont know you might as the bot but it can mount dvd images..
[17:34] <mrunagi> i dont have a problem mounting images
[17:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> http://www.acetoneiso.netsons.org/
[17:34] <rickest> Ahmuck: you can't do it in windows, either, host OS is not the issue. USB is not "a" serial bus, not the serial ports of old you're thinking of (RS-232).
[17:34] <mrunagi> i would just like to emulate a drive for them
[17:34] <tzd> nosrednaekim: it worked deleting them as su as you suggested. Thanks a lot for your help:)
[17:34] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[17:34] <rickest> Ahmuck: er, USB *is* "a" serial but, not...
[17:34] <ghost> andy: sorry can't help u n e more >.<. some of the problems u were having i was having because i used my old /home partition, and fixed it with using fresh /home folder. but seems your situ. is dif.
[17:35] <MilhousePunkRock> How can I downgrade back to KDE 3.5.8 from 3.5.9 from the ppa-repo?
[17:35] <flipstar> mrunagi: an emtpy dvd drive ? no dont know any app for that
[17:35] <rickest> Ahmuck: it should work, I've just always used pen drives
[17:36] <mrunagi> flipstar: not really an empty dvd drivve...........when i mount an iso i would like for ubuntu to treat it as an actual device
[17:37] <ubuntu> hello, This is day 2 for me on kubuntu and my OS would not start up, or it just showed a blank screen. i'm using the Live CD right now. can anyone help me please get my system running again?
[17:38] <Ahmuck> rickest: looks like the cable is the way to go
[17:38] <mark__> need help: can't log into kubuntu...I can do a consol log in but when I use the gui it gets as far as "init services" and then sends me back to the log in.
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: boot recovery mode in grub and run the following command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[17:38] <rickest> Ahmuck: that's not just a cable, that's a device
[17:38] <Ahmuck> hai
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> mark__: sounds like you are another victim of the translation pack...
[17:39] <mark__> yes I upgraded some trans stuff and havan't been able to log in
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> mark__: do remember the package name?
[17:40] <zuba> my computer shows blank screen after loading GRUB, i tweaked with the video settings and i cant get back onto my OS to fix it, can someone help
[17:40] <mark__> no this was yesterday...it was four english trans.
[17:41] <Angeltronix> hi guys, I have a problem with Kde 3.5.8...
[17:41] <Angeltronix> It is consuming a lot of space in my /tmp folder
[17:41] <Angeltronix> until I run out of free space
[17:42] <Angeltronix> any clue?
[17:42] <flipstar> you might check which file exactly it is ..
[17:42] <flipstar> you can use 'filelight' for that
[17:43] <flipstar> then you got a better idea of which program causes that
[17:43] <Angeltronix> ok, is the temp data in " /tmp/kde-<username>/*  "
[17:43] <nosrednaekim> mark__: well, from failsafe mode, find out what those packs were, and uninstall them
[17:43] <Angeltronix> mmm, i think it could be konqueror...
[17:43] <nosrednaekim> mark__: or rather.. from the failsafe terminal...
[17:44] <flipstar> Angeltronix: you can use 'filelight' for that
[17:44] <mark__> how do I find which ones they were?
[17:44] <Angeltronix> ok, I'll check
[17:45] <flipstar> mark__: /var/log/dpkg.log
[17:45] <pushax> hi all.  jsut reinstalled system.  using kububtu hardy heron. alpha 5.  must admit this is great.  ntfs drives mount straight off with write access !!  my hp laser printer was found straight off !!!  talk about steps in the right direction.
[17:46] <mark__> thanks dude your a life saver!
[17:46] <nosrednaekim> pushax: sweet
[17:47] <nosrednaekim> pushax: if you have a decent graphics card... would you mind testing something for me?
[17:47] <jussi01> pushax: cool, remember, hardy support in #ubuntu+1:)
[17:47] <Tw|sT> Anyone here use X-ming to connect to a Kubuntu 7.10 XDCMP service for remote access?
[17:48] <jeffpelgrims> hellp all of you
[17:48] <pushax> nosrednaekim: I restarted later with sata pluged in and ntfs detected and setup automaticially.  I pluged in my hp laser 1020+ and it found auto and added.
[17:48] <jussi01> !ask | jeffpelgrims
[17:48] <ubotu> jeffpelgrims: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:48] <pushax> nosrednaekim: I can try.
[17:48] <mrunagi> Daisuke_Laptop: you herE?
[17:48] <Tw|sT> when my server has had several days uptime, it flakes out on XDCMP connections... the login passes, but then when the session starts to load, all I get is a black screen
[17:48] <flipstar> jussi01: he didnt even asked :)
[17:49] <pushax> nosrednaekim: the only problem is I've jsut installed and getting settings working.  my montior and video card are yet to be set to right mode.  it's has detected my radeon as a fire gl.
[17:50] <mrunagi> all i want is for mounted ISO to sit on the desktop and in storage media as if i have the disc in my drive.........is this not possible?
[17:50] <proge> my system doesn't seem to recognise my soundcard (realtek ALC268). alsamixer gives: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device.
[17:50] <flipstar> pushax: it still is an alpha release.. :)
[17:50] <proge> and aplay -y: aplay: device_list:204: no soundcards found...
[17:51] <proge> am i right and is there some way i could get sys to recognise the card?
[17:51] <pushax> flipstar: yep alpha 5.  it's pretty stable but I have got some problems with control panel not displaying some areas due to liblython not linking properly
[17:51] <nosrednaekim> proge: what does lspci say?
[17:52] <nosrednaekim> pushax: yeah... thats being worked on.
[17:52] <Angeltronix> flipstar: It is safe to launch filelight with sudo privileges?
[17:52] <pushax> flipstar: I decided to upgrade as I was doing my first reintalled after experiencing with the inital install after leaving Vista.
[17:52] <flipstar> Angeltronix: guess yes....but there is no reason for that..
[17:52] <proge> unfortunately nothing about realtek :P
[17:53] <tominglis> hi i want to upgrade my uvc driver to the latest version so that it works properly with skype
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> proge: anything about any sound at all?
[17:53] <tominglis> but i don't really understand how to do this, as the instructions on here are pretty limited: https://developer.berlios.de/projects/linux-uvc/
[17:53] <proge> it might be this one 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
[17:53] <tominglis> i was wondering whether anyone might be able to help me here or point me to someone that can?
[17:53] <tominglis> thanks, tom
[17:54] <Angeltronix> flipstar: but, without admin provileges it can't access many directories...
[17:54] <tominglis> http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Linux%20UVC
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> proge: yep.. thats the one...
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> !intelhda | proge
[17:55] <ubotu> proge: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[17:55] <proge> thank you nosrednaekim
[17:55] <flipstar> tominglis: where is you problem ?
[17:56] <Angeltronix> flipstar: "filelight: ERROR: Inadequate access permisions: /var/...  "
[17:56] <anto> Hii ! Who is french here please ??
[17:56] <Ahmuck> rickest: i have 18G i need to transfer
[17:56] <jussi01> !fr | anto
[17:56] <ubotu> anto: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[17:57] <flipstar> Angeltronix: your directory in tmp should be accessable..you can run it as root using kdesu anyway..
[17:57] <anto> Qui peut m'aider :$
[17:57] <Angeltronix> ok...
[17:58] <frank343> when I
[17:58] <frank343> When I try to login, The login display stops at System Services and the login manager reappears
[17:58] <frank343> I tried renaming ~/.kde
[17:58] <flipstar> did you recently updated the translation pack  ?
[17:59] <frank343> flipstar: me? yeah
[17:59] <flipstar> nosred mentioned that there is a problem with that..try to downgrade/uninstall that package ..
[18:00] <frank343> flipstar: how do I downgrade using aptitude?
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> yech... we need a factoid for this.
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> frank23: check in the /var/log/dpkg.log for the package name, and uninstall it.
[18:00] <ghost> how do i change it so i can click on anything to get focus, not just the title bar?
[18:00] <frank343> nosrednaekim: ok
[18:01] <nosrednaekim> frank23: and for my info.. culd you tell me what the package name is?
[18:02] <flipstar> ghost: usually you can click on everything to get focus..
[18:03] <ghost> flipstar: not mine
[18:03] <frank343> nosrednaekim: language-pack-kde-en and language-pack-kde-en-base I think...
[18:04] <MilhousePunkRock> Since upgrading to KDE 3.5.9, I am having trouble with /media and KWallet has become a bit flaky...
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> frank23: thanks.
[18:04] <MilhousePunkRock> So now I am looking for a way to downgrade back to good ol' 3.5.8
[18:05] <flipstar> ghost: you using kwin or compiz ?
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> MilhousePunkRock: uninstall kde, remove the ppa and install kubuntu-desktop
[18:06] <jonathan_> where is the grub.conf located in hardy im looking in /boot/grub and im not seeing it in that folder
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> jonathan_: menu.conf
[18:07] <jonathan_> in boot
[18:07] <flipstar>  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[18:07] <PhilRod> hrm, anyone know how I can find out what package provides kwriteconfig? When I try to run it, I'm told to install kdebase-bin, but kdebase-bin is already installed
[18:07] <jonathan_> is that where i get rid of the splash screen
[18:08] <flipstar> jonathan_: yes if you want to do it by yourself..sure
[18:08] <jonathan_> flipstar: ?
[18:08] <jonathan_> what u mean
[18:08] <flipstar> else you could try startupmanager
[18:08] <MilhousePunkRock> nosrednaekim: I have a minimal install, so that's not a solution for me... Does apt keep a log of the packages it upgraded?
[18:08] <mrunagi> anyone know of a dvd emulator for ubuntu?
[18:08] <ghost> flipstar: compiz
[18:09] <flipstar> MilhousePunkRock: yes.. /var/log/dpkg.log
[18:09] <genii> mrunagi: If you want to watch iso files just loop mount them
[18:09] <frank232> nosrednaekim: flipstar removing the language-pack-kde-en and -base packages worked
[18:09] <flipstar> he want to behave them as a cd/dvd genii
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> frank23: great
[18:12] <genii> !info cdemu
[18:12] <ubotu> Package cdemu does not exist in gutsy
[18:12] <genii> hmm
[18:13] <coreymon77> umm
[18:13] <coreymon77> whats the matter?
[18:13] <coreymon77> we looking for a daemon tools type thing?
[18:13] <frank232> nosrednaekim: yeah but updates like that are the perfect way to scare off new kubuntu users forever
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> frank23: oh.. I agree! but I'm glad to finally have the fix :)
[18:14] <coreymon77> frank232, nosrednaekim , huh? what are we talking about?
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> frank23: factoid coming up from jussi01 in a moment for it too :)
[18:15] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: language-pack-kde-en breakage
[18:15] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: what happened?
[18:15] <flipstar> especially in a 'stable' version oO
[18:15] <frank232> coreymon77: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-en/+bug/195647
[18:16] <coreymon77> ah!
[18:16] <coreymon77> canadian english bug!
[18:16] <coreymon77> not good
[18:17] <coreymon77> how did that happen?
[18:17] <frank232> coreymon77: at least it didn't affect everyone ;)
[18:17] <genii> mrunagi: You may want to try this way: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=69530
[18:17] <genii> coreymon77: Yeah like alcohol or daemontools
[18:18] <coreymon77> genii: CDemu
[18:18] <genii> coreymon77: Yeah thats what that link is
[18:18] <flipstar> this version provided there is obsolete
[18:19] <coreymon77> you looking on the SF project page?
[18:19] <flipstar> no the link from genii
[18:19] <genii> flipstar: Likely :) It was the first comprehensive tutorial I hit
[18:19] <flipstar> on sf there uptodate like always :P http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93175&package_id=256719
[18:20] <flipstar> genii thanks for that anyway :) i bet it will help mrunagi
[18:20] <genii> mrunagi: You can use the previous link as a guide and just use the latest source code from sourceforge
[18:20] <flipstar> there are also deps
[18:20] <flipstar> dep's
[18:20] <coreymon77> genii: there is a ubuntu package for 1.0
[18:20] <flipstar> err deb's
[18:20] <flipstar> right
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> :)
[18:21] <genii> coreymon77: 8.04? I don't see it on apt-cache on my gutsy
[18:21] <scott> Haves the Language-pack update killed anybody else's install?
[18:21] <coreymon77> flipstar: they are ubuntu debs though
[18:21] <nosredna_ekim> scott» lots ;)
[18:21] <flipstar> this is what it tried to say coreymon77 ;)
[18:21] <coreymon77> genii: no, 7.10
[18:21] <scott> I needed to re-install Kubuntu and now I am scared to update
[18:21] <nosredna_ekim> scott» remove language-pack-kde-en and language-pack-kde-base
[18:22] <nosredna_ekim> scott» you didn't have to reinstall.....
[18:22] <scott> Okay, I will try that
[18:22] <nosredna_ekim> scott» well, don't do it now... just don't update until the fix is out (soon)
[18:22] <coreymon77> genii: the binary says its for ubuntu 7.10, but i dunno
[18:22] <scott> Oh, okay, will do, thanks
[18:22] <coreymon77> genii: if it doesnt work, then try compiling
[18:22] <genii> Interesting
[18:23] <nosredna_ekim> scott» seems to only affect canadians....
[18:23] <scott> Where would the update be anouced so I know when to update
[18:23] <coreymon77> genii: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93175&package_id=256719
[18:23] <Jack111> hi ive got in kmail the problem when i try to enter my pgp key it tells my no backends found, while i have them, only chiasmus is not used
[18:23] <coreymon77> anyways
[18:23] <coreymon77> gtg
[18:23] <coreymon77> class time
[18:23] <nosredna_ekim> c ya coreymon77
[18:23] <scott> Bye
[18:24] <scott> LOL
[18:24] <mrunagi> cdemu is confusing =*(
[18:24] <scott> Us Canadians are causing a problem :)
[18:24] <flipstar> haha
[18:26]  * genii sips his Molson's and considers causing problems but then gets caught up watching a Leafs game
[18:27] <mrunagi> ERROR: Failed to connect to CDEmu daemon: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name net.sf.cdemu.CDEMUD_Daemon was not provided by any .service file
[18:28] <mrunagi> im starting to think im too stupid for linux
[18:28] <frank232> genii: I'm sure the 5-0 win against Ottawa was worth watching if you're a Leafs fan ;-)
[18:28] <genii> mrunagi: The learning curve is steep but worth it. Everyone was a newbie once
[18:29] <genii> frank232: Yes it was extremely sweet :)
[18:29] <mrunagi> ive been runing ubuntu for almost a year =(
[18:29] <mrunagi> when will i  no longer be a newbie
[18:29] <genii> mrunagi: The error message you give indicates it wants a daemon running in background. Did you load the kernel module?
[18:29] <mrunagi> cdemud right?
[18:30] <mrunagi> ERROR: Failed to connect to CDEmu daemon: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[18:31] <mrunagi> ah cdemud isnt running i got a new error
[18:31] <simelect> hello
[18:31] <mrunagi> cdemud: cdemud_daemon_initialize: failed to open control device /dev/vhba_ctl!
[18:32] <genii> mrunagi: Please tell me if command:  modprobe -l|grep cdemu           reports a module. If so then if: lsmod|grep cdemu     says the module is loaded
[18:32] <mrunagi> no module loaded
[18:32]  * genii sips a coffee and officially tries to adopt Mats Sundin
[18:32] <mrunagi> no output
[18:33] <genii> mrunagi: Try then: sudo modprobe cdemu            and try again
[18:36] <mrunagi> FATAL: Module cdemu not found.
[18:36] <kaminix> How do I make Google suggest stop suggesting and not start suggesting everytime I restart Konq?
[18:37] <genii> mrunagi: So then the first command I asked about previously: modprobe -l |grep cdemu          obviously did not list a module.
[18:37] <Jonty> my dpkg/status file keeps getting syntax errors in it. How can I stop that?
[18:37] <flipstar> mrunagi: did you installed the daemon ?
[18:37] <mrunagi> pretty sure but i can double check
[18:37] <mrunagi> yup
[18:38] <flipstar> you probably need to install all files on the sf site ..
[18:39] <mrunagi> the only one not is gcdemu
[18:41] <mrunagi> now it is
[18:41] <lg188_> volunteer needed for a job (nothing to do with Kubuntu)
[18:41] <mrunagi> then it is !ot
[18:41] <mrunagi> !ot
[18:41] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[18:41] <jussi01> lg188_: not here
[18:41] <mrunagi> cdemud: cdemud_daemon_initialize: failed to open control device /dev/vhba_ctl!
[18:43] <genii> mrunagi: Did you get and install the Gutsy deb files from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93175&package_id=256719 or did you do it from source as per the other link?
[18:43] <genii> mrunagi: There is a vhba-module there at the sourceforge
[18:44] <mrunagi> genii: from deb
[18:44] <mrunagi> vhba is installed
[18:44] <mrunagi> they all ar
[18:44] <mrunagi> e
[18:44] <genii> OK
[18:45] <genii> Maybe reading the release notes might help
[18:45] <mrunagi> where are those
[18:46] <genii> mrunagi: Interestingly the documentation seems hard to find on the sourceforge site
[18:46] <mrunagi> indeed
[18:48] <genii> wait a sec, an idea
[18:48] <mrunagi> i got it
[18:48] <genii> mrunagi: I think it's a permissions thing on the device, per bottom of this page regarding a udev rule relating to that http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/pkg_vhba.php
[18:48] <mrunagi> or at least i thought i did
[18:49] <genii> work calls, afk a minute or so
[18:51] <noodles12> !suspend
[18:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:52] <mrunagi> noodles12: thats a losing battle my friend
[18:53] <KR-data> anyone who can point me towards a good ftp-klient?
[18:53] <KR-data> *client
[18:54] <Pici> KDE overdose will do that :p
[18:54] <mrunagi> HAH!
[18:54] <mrunagi> i got it!
[18:54] <mrunagi> YAY!
[18:54] <jpatrick> !ftp
[18:54] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[18:54] <jpatrick> KR-data: ^^
[18:56] <KR-data> jpatrick, gftp and ktpgrabber are crappy, I seriously doubt that nautilus will do it, but I'll have a look anyway if konqueror or kasablanca can't do the job
[18:56] <jussi01> KR-data: konq is more than fine for my needs
[18:56] <jpatrick> KR-data: personally I prefer ssh+rsync instead of ftp
[18:57] <mrunagi> hrm this tar is reporting the file to be 16gb but the tar file is 2.5gb thats not possible is it?
[18:57] <KR-data> jpatrick, well tell that to my webhost :)
[18:57] <KR-data> jussi01, ok I'll have a look
[18:57] <root__> bhblhygyugygy7gftyftyio
[18:57] <jussi01> root__: ?
[18:57] <root__> hola mi vida
[18:58] <flipstar> KR-data: filezilla is great
[18:58] <jpatrick> !es | root__
[18:58] <ubotu> root__: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:58] <KR-data> flipstar, filezilla? Isn't that from Mozilla?
[18:58] <flipstar> possible
[18:58] <jussi01> yeah, firefox plugin
[18:58] <francisco_> hi I was wondering if it is possible to upgrade from gusty gibbon to hardy alpha 5 ?
[18:59] <jussi01> !hardy | francisco_
[18:59] <ubotu> francisco_: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:59] <flipstar> no filezilla is no plugin
[18:59] <flipstar> http://filezilla-project.org
[19:00] <francisco_> thanks
[19:00] <francisco_> i guess
[19:01] <venik> I had to reboot my computer, and now my external USB drive does not appear in the storage media list
[19:02] <venik> I do not see that drive in the System Settings/file system either
[19:03] <jussi01> francisco_: just trying to point out hardy help is in #ubuntu+1
[19:03] <venik> this USB drive has disappeared in the past
[19:03] <venik> and someone here told me how to edit the fstab file to bring it back, but now it is gone again
[19:11] <flipstar> venik: try to unplug and plug it again
[19:15] <BluesKaj> wow, still no joy ..4 tries and kubuntu fails to load the login page or even goto the prompt when ctrl+alt+F1 or F2 is used. If this wasn't so ridiculously maddening it could be funny :P
[19:16] <genii> BluesKaj: Crashed your box, or new install?
[19:16]  * BluesKaj wonders if gnome might work
[19:17] <BluesKaj> both genii , it crashed first
[19:17] <genii> Ah, I see
[19:18] <BluesKaj> then the new install fails
[19:18] <genii> Hard drive OK?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> 4 new installs ...I must be insane for trying this again & again ...you what they say about someone who keeps doing the same thing over & over and expecting a differnt result :P
[19:19] <BluesKaj> yup, windows is fine
[19:20] <jussi01> checked your md5?
[19:20] <BluesKaj> genii , it crashed yestrday after that new language update ...it's evil whatever it is
[19:20]  * genii makes a note not to update this week
[19:21] <BluesKaj> nothing wrong with install ...it's when i reboot after doing the updates to it , then there's absolutely no access to either the prompt or the login page
[19:22] <BluesKaj> md5 ...gawd , gimme a break
[19:22] <genii> Since it's the updates causing an issue maybe unplug it from internet for that part
[19:22] <jussi01> !langpack | BluesKaj
[19:22] <ubotu> BluesKaj: A recent update broke some KDE language packs, leaving the user unable to login. (http://launchpad.net/bugs/195647) To fix this, remove the updated packages (language-pack-kde-en, language-pack-kde-en-base) and restart KDE.
[19:23] <BluesKaj> how can one remove the language packages when the login and the tty are inaccessible ..DOH!
[19:23] <jussi01> BluesKaj: recovery mode?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> windows
[19:24] <BluesKaj> recovery mode is the same
[19:24] <jussi01> hrmmm, thats not what others were reporting... :(
[19:25] <genii> BluesKaj: WEll, there's always chroot
[19:25] <venik> Flipstar-- I tried it a few times-- no help
[19:25] <BluesKaj> i even tried using The US repos and location cuz someone here said that the fault was with the canadian repos/pkges
[19:25] <flipstar> venik: it dont even get listed via fdisk -l ?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> chroot?
[19:26] <jussi01> !chroot
[19:26] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[19:26] <BluesKaj> using x86 on a 64 box ...don't need 64bit grief
[19:28] <genii> BluesKaj: You boot to livecd, mount the old /  then loopmount /dev /proc /sys into the mountpoint. Also if net needed then hosts and interfaces. then chroot into the mountpoint and what you need to original system
[19:28] <genii> Sorry for lag, work called me in mid-reply :)
[19:31] <BluesKaj> hehe, all this advice but it doesn't seem to get thru that the TTY prompt and login are not working. ...but of course "that's not what others are encountering" .. that really helps :)
[19:31] <jussi01> BluesKaj: look at what genii just said
[19:31] <venik> flipstar-- fdisk -l produces no output at all... ;-(
[19:31] <genii> BluesKaj: When you chroot the tty ino of original box is not being used
[19:32] <francisco_> can anyone help? im having problems with my panels / kicker......when i click configure panels, it only lets me change stuff for the main one, i remember there being a drop down box to select which panel to edit, but it isnt anywhere, anyone help?, im trying to make my secondary panel hide
[19:32] <BluesKaj> dunno how to use chroot ...it's beyond my understanding
[19:32] <flipstar> venik: oh..you have to run it as root..using sudo
[19:33] <tzd> does anyone know if it's possible using a global shortcut key like F12 for opening BasKet note pad (while it's included in Kontact) please?
[19:33] <jussi01> MasterPaco: you need to restart kicker iirc
[19:33] <Lynoure> francisco_: easiest way is to choose the panel settings from the panel in question, instead of going through the System Settings, if you cannot do that, restart kicker
[19:34] <MasterPaco> i tried that, im clicking on the panel i want to change.....ok ill restart kicker 1 sec
[19:34] <MasterPaco> the drop down box has appeared
[19:34] <jussi01> ;)
[19:34] <MasterPaco> thanks :), spent ages trying to sort it, till i gave in a chose irc :D
[19:37] <venik> I am not sure, but it looks as if fdisk -l does not show that USB drive
[19:38] <venik> it is formatted as VFAT
[19:38] <venik> and used to be sdd1, but there is no such thing now
[19:41] <kubuntu_> hi
[19:41] <kubuntu_> anybody help me
[19:41] <crystal> lu
[19:41] <martijn81> hi there kubuntu_
[19:41] <kubuntu_> abaout alsa
[19:41] <martijn81> just ask please
[19:42] <kubuntu_> I do not have alsaconf
[19:42] <kubuntu_> in my kubuntu 6.06
[19:42] <kubuntu_> and asoundconf
[19:42] <kubuntu_> it is possible to configure my sound
[19:42] <venik> flipstar, my fstab has a line in it: /dev/sdd1 /media/LACIE vfat uid=1000,gid=1000,auto,rw,user 0 0
[19:42] <venik> which talks about that drive, but somehow it got ignored during the last reboot
[19:43] <venik> and fdisk -l does not show it at all
[19:43] <kubuntu_> with asoundconf, that it my distro linux kubuntu 6.06 LTS for a long time
[19:43] <kubuntu_> i think about
[19:44] <flipstar> venik: did you plugged it correct ? seems like the drive isnt found
[19:44] <venik> It was working before I rebooted, and I did not unplugged it
[19:44] <tzd> does anyone know if it's possible using a global shortcut key like F12 for opening BasKet note pad (while it's included in Kontact) please?
[19:44] <venik> I did unplug it after it "disappeared" from my desktop
[19:44] <BluesKaj> ok, genii , I was in windows so wasn't able to run your instructions , I'm on the live CD now
[19:45] <kubuntu_> hi martijn thanks, for  your response here
[19:45] <kubuntu_> and i go out now
[19:45] <kubuntu_> but, the bug tomorrow after i saw htis
[19:45] <kubuntu_> bye
[19:46] <flipstar> venik: did you do an update or changed anything else ?
[19:46] <venik> well... I update those packages that require updating
[19:46] <venik> that little red triangle
[19:46] <venik> but it worked with all the updates until I rebooted
[19:47] <venik> maybe I should reboot again
[19:47] <venik> this is becoming like WINDOZ...
[19:48] <venik> when I type: blkid I get all the other drives listed, but not the USB hard drive
[19:49] <hellmaster> hi everyone
[19:49] <flipstar> seems like the drive is missing
[19:49] <flipstar> hi hellmaster
[19:49] <hellmaster> i have a question: if i want to make a DVD video and make my own screen and everything what program can i use?
[19:49] <hellmaster> i have the videos in avi format
[19:50] <BluesKaj> make your own screen ?
[19:50] <venik> flipstar-- Krusader does see the drive, but Mountman cannot mount it
[19:50] <llutz> hellmaster: qdvdauthor, mandvd maybe you'll need to convert videos before (with avidemux)
[19:50] <venik> it says that the drive does not exist
[19:50] <hellmaster> thanks
[19:50] <jussi01> kdenlive is a good video editor
[19:50] <hellmaster> llutz
[19:51] <venik> reboot time...
[19:52] <hellmaster> let me explain just in case llutz, i have a compilation of family videos, and i want to make a dvd with them
[19:53] <hellmaster> i want it to have a menu so they can choose what episode (video) they want to see
[19:53] <hellmaster> birthday, new year, etc..
[19:53] <hellmaster> those will help me right?
[19:53] <llutz> hellmaster: they will
[19:54] <BluesKaj> jussi01: ok chrooted to "root@ubuntu#" in the konsole , since I was unable to save genii's instructions would you mind scrolling back and posting them for me ? thanks
[19:54] <flipstar>  BluesKaj: You boot to livecd, mount the old /  then loopmount /dev /proc /sys into the mountpoint. Also if net needed then hosts and interfaces. then chroot into the mountpoint and what you need to original system
[19:55] <BluesKaj> todisc is a good app to set up menus
[19:55] <flipstar> copyright by genii :)
[19:55] <llutz> hellmaster: but be carefull, qdvauthor is very mighty but needs a lot of reading/testing/learning
[19:56] <hellmaster> in what sense llutz??
[19:57] <BluesKaj> flipstar , not sure how to about that .. 'sudo loopmount /dev /proc /sys'   ?
[19:58] <hellmaster> ive done things like that before with nero vision, but since i change to linux, nero vision no more
[19:58] <flipstar> probably  sudo mount -t proc proc /target/proc sudo mount -t sysfs sysfs /target/sys
[19:59] <flipstar> err since you are root without sudo
[19:59] <llutz> hellmaster: another app is kmediafactory and i'm sure there are a lot more
[19:59] <flipstar> BluesKaj: i dont know what he wanted to say with loopmount ..
[19:59] <hellmaster> ok thanks
[19:59] <Sammu> does anyone know a channel where u can get music?
[20:00] <Arwen> Sammu, #this_is_not_a_piracy_network
[20:00] <flipstar> try #illegal_warez_channel
[20:00] <flipstar> or search google for free music
[20:00] <Sammu> ok thanks
[20:01] <flipstar> np
[20:01] <martijn81> warez on freenode, don' t think so....
[20:01] <hellmaster> lol
[20:01] <hellmaster> azureus??
[20:01] <hellmaster> emule...
[20:01] <jussi01> hellmaster: please dont.
[20:01] <llutz> visit jamendo.com, legal free music
[20:02] <kolla> odd problem - just upgraded from feisty to gutsy and KDE-3.5.9, and now KDE insists that path to Desktop and Documents is /
[20:02] <martijn81> it's even in ogg vorbis
[20:02] <kolla> even if I set it manually, it still uses /
[20:02] <kolla> Autostart however, is set correctly
[20:03] <kolla> also, this is systemwide, I made a new user just to try it, and the new user also got / as Desktop
[20:04] <BluesKaj> flipstar , I have no access to my kubuntu partiton , the login and the tty are inaccessible on both generic and recovery , so I was advised to uninstall the language packs that came with yesterdays updates , (which I tried to avoid on this last install BTW) in order to fix my broken setup.
[20:04] <hellmaster> thanks llutz cya later everyone
[20:04] <hellmaster> bye
[20:04] <Sammu> #kubuntu-fi
[20:04] <jussi01> Sammu: /join #kubuntu-fi
[20:04] <jussi01> :)
[20:05] <Sammu> yep
[20:05] <Sammu> my bad
[20:05] <joseph> !fi
[20:05] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[20:05] <joseph> :D
[20:06] <flipstar> BluesKaj: so you started the livecd and chrooted and now going to uninstall the bad package.....?
[20:06] <BluesKaj> exactly flipstar
[20:06] <flipstar> great :)
[20:07] <BluesKaj> still trying to mount / on the installed kubuntu
[20:08] <flipstar> mkdir /media/target;mount /dev/<enterdevicehere> /media/target ..
[20:08] <BluesKaj> i used "sudo chroot / "
[20:08] <flipstar> uhm you have to mount it first and then mount sys and proc
[20:09] <flipstar> then chroot
[20:09] <RogueJediX> I switched motherboards recently and now instead of /dev/cdrom0 and 1, I have /dev/cdrom2 and 3. Any way to fix this or update fstab?
[20:09] <flipstar> type exit to quit ..
[20:09] <BluesKaj> flipstar mount / ?
[20:10] <flipstar>  / is your root partition on your hard drive ..
[20:10] <flipstar> you have to mount this partition ..
[20:10] <BluesKaj> yeah
[20:12] <BluesKaj> i tried  ' mount / ' but i just error messages
[20:12] <beener> im build a computer and i need to know a good 7.1 sound card that will work with linux
[20:12] <beener> building*
[20:13] <BluesKaj> beener , nvidia
[20:13] <beener> nvidia make sound cards?
[20:14] <limbeaux> trying to install kubuntu, but the install fails saying that the partition is not to be formatted.  i cant figure out where to tell it to format.
[20:14] <limbeaux> i see the work format, but i cannot check it
[20:15]  * Sammu thinks jamendo's good..
[20:15] <BluesKaj> beener , google works
[20:15] <beener> ive only pulled up software no hardware
[20:16] <jussi01> !nickspam > KONA_Stinky
[20:17] <KONA_Stinky> Désoler mais KONA et déjà prix donc je msi celui la
[20:17] <limbeaux> can anyone tell me how to make the installer format the drive?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> !fr | KONA_Stinky
[20:17] <ubotu> KONA_Stinky: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[20:18] <beener> are you running through text based or gui based
[20:18] <KONA_Stinky> thx :)
[20:18] <limbeaux> gui
[20:18] <BluesKaj> limbeaux:  where are you in the install process?
[20:18] <limbeaux> disk partitioning
[20:19] <beener> are you useing the whole drive?
[20:19] <limbeaux> yes
[20:19] <limbeaux> mounting as /
[20:19] <beener> the cd or dvd should have a text based installer that is easy to use
[20:19] <BluesKaj> edit the partition you want to use by right clicking on it and choosing " / " in the drop down dialog
[20:19] <beener> ive hand trouble like that with the gui but text never fails me
[20:20] <limbeaux> ok
[20:20]  * Sammu is bored..
[20:21] <flipstar> is there an alternative for krdc ? it always crashes ..
[20:21]  * BluesKaj is still wondering how to mount / from the live cd terminal 
[20:21] <flipstar> BluesKaj: what kind of error message ?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on unionfs
[20:22] <flipstar> uhm
[20:22] <flipstar> try fsck first
[20:22] <BluesKaj> then,missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[20:23] <flipstar> ouch
[20:23] <flipstar> you mounting the right partition ? sda1 for e.g instead of sda ?
[20:24] <BluesKaj> flipstar:  /dev/hda2
[20:25] <flipstar> ..and fsck /dev/hda2 drops the message above ? oO
[20:25] <flipstar> wired
[20:26] <BluesKaj> flipstar:  /dev/hda2: clean, 95247/12828672 files, 1509657/25637731 blocks
[20:26] <flipstar> maybe you can try mount -t <filesystem> /dev/hda2 /media/target
[20:26] <flipstar> probably ext3 i guess
[20:27]  * Sammu doesn't care
[20:27] <limbeaux> ok, i had to choose manual, delete existing partitions, then create new ones and then format was an option for me
[20:28] <teo->  it the new 2.6.24.3 kernel compatible with broadcom 4311 cards???
[20:28] <flipstar> damn why does krdc always crash :((
[20:28] <limbeaux> wierd(ue)
[20:28] <msaeed> hii
[20:28] <msaeed> FGF welcome
[20:29] <osama> welcome msaeed
[20:29] <pushax> heron will be the end on many questions on mounting drives, in my opinion
[20:29] <osama> mohamed moahmood congratulation
[20:29] <ayman_> ahlan ya baih
[20:29] <flipstar> teo-: you might ask in ##kernel , *ubuntu uses a modified kernel
[20:29] <BluesKaj> flipstar:  sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /media/ .. no output
[20:29] <flipstar> did it work ?
[20:30] <BluesKaj> flipstar:  went back to the prompt
[20:30] <flipstar> check if it mount.. ls /media/target..
[20:31] <BluesKaj> it's not , hence i dropped the "target'
[20:31] <BluesKaj> mount point /media/target does not exist
[20:34]  * Sammu haistattaa pitkät
[20:34] <jpatrick> !fi > Sammu
[20:35] <limbeaux> what is oem install?
[20:35] <flipstar> BluesKaj: ..you have to create the mount point first ....
[20:35] <jpatrick> limbeaux: for companies
[20:35] <jpatrick> !oem
[20:35] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[20:36] <limbeaux> rephrase:  what does oem install do differently than other install options?
[20:36] <limbeaux> i don't see a text install option on what i downloaded either
[20:36] <Exilant> is my installation a bit broken or has ubuntu gotten a lot bigger?
[20:37] <Exilant>  / has 4.6 Gigabyte and is full, used to be plenty of space
[20:38] <yao_ziyuan> in kubuntu,
[20:38] <BluesKaj> flipstar: create a mount point ? it's already there ...just have to find it
[20:38] <yao_ziyuan> i want thunderbird to minimize to tray
[20:38] <yao_ziyuan> any idea?
[20:38] <flipstar> BluesKaj: yes..just use <sudo mkdir /media/target>
[20:38] <gekko_> is it possible to trigger the kicker panel via dcop or similar to hide/unhide?
[20:39] <yao_ziyuan> solved
[20:39] <BluesKaj> ok flipstar, did that
[20:39] <flipstar> Exilant: my installation also is big like this.you can use 'filelight' to discover your drive .
[20:39] <flipstar> BluesKaj: now mount again :)
[20:40] <flipstar> <sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /media/target>
[20:40] <Exilant> flipstar: already did that, didn't see anything particularly big
[20:40] <BluesKaj> flipstar: does it tell you it's mounted ?
[20:40] <Exilant> however, had somehow in my mind that similar software once was like 3.5 G
[20:40] <flipstar> BluesKaj: since you just created the mount point..no
[20:41] <flipstar> Exilant: i installed much software..i have over 1300 packages right now..
[20:41] <flipstar> open office..games..linux headers..and all kind of stuff
[20:41] <BluesKaj> ok, now ... ?
[20:41] <Exilant> me too, except for the games
[20:42] <Exilant> ok, have 1500 installed somehow
[20:42] <flipstar> BluesKaj: sudo mount -t proc proc /target/procsudo mount -t sysfs sysfs /target/sys
[20:42] <flipstar> *sudo mount -t proc proc /target/proc;sudo mount -t sysfs sysfs /target/sys
[20:43] <flipstar> Exilant: i installed nexuiz :)
[20:44] <flipstar> Exilant: maybe you want to do an <sudo apt-get clean> to delete old packages that where downloaded ..
[20:44] <BluesKaj> mount: mount point /target/proc does not exist
[20:44] <BluesKaj> mount: mount point /target/sys does not exist
[20:44] <Exilant> flipstar: i already did that
[20:44] <Exilant> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[20:44] <Exilant> /dev/sda5             4.6G  4.4G   29M 100% /
[20:45] <flipstar> BluesKaj: sudo mount -t proc proc media/target/proc;sudo mount -t sysfs sysfs /media/target/sys
[20:45] <genii> back
[20:45] <Exilant> kind of full :)
[20:45] <flipstar> oh yes...filelight didnt helped you to discover ?
[20:45] <genii> flipstar: Ah, I see you're on the  chroot with BluesKaj :)
[20:45] <flipstar> genii: yep :)
[20:45] <BluesKaj> mount: mount point media/target/proc does not exist
[20:45] <BluesKaj> not chrooted yet
[20:46] <flipstar> oh ehm create then :)
[20:46] <flipstar> mkdir /media/target/proc
[20:46] <flipstar> mkdir /media/target/sys
[20:47] <BluesKaj> weird , it says the files exist
[20:48] <flipstar> Exilant: my /home already uses about 1.65 gig ..
[20:48] <genii> You used relative path previously eg:  media/target  instead of /media/target
[20:48] <BluesKaj> flipstar:  I'll have to leave it there for a while ..got things to do for a half hour or so
[20:48] <Exilant> flipstar: no, i guess i just have to much installed, /home is on another partition
[20:48] <flipstar> okay...cya maybe you have more luck then BluesKaj ..
[20:49] <flipstar> Exilant: then you might should uninstall all unnessesary :)
[20:49] <BluesKaj> mount: according to mtab, sysfs is already mounted on /media/target/sys
[20:50] <genii> BluesKaj: The prob is the first one. proc
[20:50] <genii> BluesKaj: The mount line gave a relative path for media dir
[20:50] <sui> hi
[20:50] <Exilant> flipstar: well, i'm going to repartition, no clue what takes so much space
[20:51] <Exilant> and i wanted /home encrypted anyway
[20:51] <DaSkreech> !luks
[20:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about luks - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:51] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: KDE LUKS is only in hardy
[20:51] <BluesKaj> genii:  gotta do some stuff , BB in 30 mins
[20:51] <genii> BluesKaj: sudo mount -t proc proc /media/target/proc      should work there
[20:51] <DaSkreech> V_V
[20:52] <genii> BluesKaj: I'll try to be around :)
[20:52] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: I know it is :) I'm the one who got the patch into kdebase
[20:52] <flipstar> !info cryptsetup
[20:52] <ubotu> cryptsetup (source: cryptsetup): configures encrypted block devices. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.0.5-2ubuntu2.1 (gutsy), package size 87 kB, installed size 404 kB
[20:52] <BluesKaj> mount: according to mtab, proc is already mounted on /media/target/proc
[20:52] <BluesKaj> ok, BBL
[20:52] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: Man Why does linux have to be so cool :( ??
[20:53] <DaSkreech> Bye BluesKaj
[20:53] <flipstar> yes this is boring :(
[20:53] <flipstar> Uptime:           22 days, 7:26:51.00
[20:53] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: :)
[20:53] <Exilant> kde luks works in hardy?
[20:53] <DaSkreech> flipstar: That's tiny :)
[20:53] <jpatrick> Exilant: should do
[20:54] <Exilant> tried it on the livecd, but i'll see soon
[20:54] <flipstar> works great on hardy..
[20:54] <jpatrick> Exilant: KDE 4 that is
[20:54] <Exilant> ah
[20:54] <jpatrick> KDE3*********
[20:55] <Exilant> so i'll finally have a reason to switch to kde4?
[20:55] <martijn81> Exilant: composite effects will be a another reason
[20:56] <jpatrick> Exilant: no, the patch I added was for KDE3, sorry
[20:56] <Exilant> ah, ok
[20:57] <DaSkreech> Exilant: What reasons have you had to stay off of it?
[20:57] <martijn81> i got the composite effects working already, and they are great! nive macosx expos'e feature included
[20:57] <Exilant> i tried 4.0.0, but somehow the fonts were messed up
[20:58] <martijn81> Exilant: that is in gutsy only, not in hardy
[20:58] <Exilant> ok
[20:58] <DaSkreech> 4.0.2 tage btw?
[21:01] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: from #kde: < aseigo> martijn81: tagging is soon
[21:05] <DaSkreech> ^_^
[21:05] <Exilant> ok, going to repartition, just hope everything is really backed up
[21:05] <flipstar> backup again if you doubt :)
[21:05] <jpatrick> Exilant: did you use rsync?
[21:05] <Exilant> i used cp
[21:06] <Exilant> and k3b
[21:06] <Exilant> so in theory, everything should be backed up on the external hd and on dvd
[21:07] <omeow> Adept just installed a list of updates and now I can no longer type a double quote. If I try it, then a / appears instead. What happened? My keyboard layout did not change. It's still set to what it was. US int.
[21:07] <Exilant> jpatrick: anything wrong with rsync?
[21:08] <jpatrick> Exilant: it's really useful for backups
[21:08] <jpatrick> !info rsync
[21:08] <ubotu> rsync (source: rsync): fast remote file copy program (like rcp). In component main, is standard. Version 2.6.9-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 256 kB, installed size 516 kB
[21:08] <Exilant> ok
[21:11] <root__> sasdasd
[21:11] <jpatrick> root__: good evening to you too
[21:13] <^Strasharo^> Hi guys
[21:14] <^Strasharo^> nqkoi 6te bude li taka dobar da pomogne malko
[21:14] <^Strasharo^> pls
[21:15] <rjb> hello, i'm inclined to rant about mobile phone - pc communication but i don't wanna be offtopic;-)
[21:15] <rjb> so let me just ask, what kubuntu/kde apps do you use
[21:16] <rjb> to communicate between a phone and a pc?
[21:16] <jussi01> !info kmobiletools
[21:16] <ubotu> kmobiletools (source: kmobiletools): KDE application for controlling your mobile phone. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3.3-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 128 kB, installed size 484 kB
[21:17] <trappist> rjb: I use bitpim
[21:17] <rjb> yeah i did try kmobiletools
[21:17] <jussi01> !portables
[21:17] <ubotu> Guides for smartphones and portable devices can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/
[21:18] <rjb> very few capabilities
[21:18] <flipstar> !bg | ^Strasharo^
[21:18] <ubotu> ^Strasharo^: опитайте #ubuntu-bg за български потребители . try #ubuntu-bg for bulgarian users, and please idle there patiently
[21:19] <_dennister> hey pps...have a bit of a prob here...certain apps won't work with kde4 and now I can't get into kde3 anymore either
[21:19] <rjb> more specifically, what can one do with a phone that has a usb port, but won't behave as a usb storage device?
[21:19] <_dennister> it was fine this morning ...until i agreed to some updates :(
[21:20] <rjb> throwing megabytes over bluetooth gets boring after a while
[21:20] <DaSkreech> Bye all
[21:21] <_dennister> bye DaSkreech
[21:21] <^Strasharo^> bye DaSkreech
[21:21] <rjb> btw beats me what the developers of these toys were thinking - put a usb port on the device, but make it nearly useless??
[21:22] <ScarFreewill> I just got my 3G/internet working in 7.10 on my dell latitude, I can ping google, use apt-get/apt but my kde apps can't use the internet I'm using kppp as dailup connection
[21:23] <_dennister> anyone with any ideas as to how to get back into kde3? i even tried a console login, which worked, but 'startx' didn't...just returned me to console
[21:23] <x_link> Hi all Kubuntu-users =)
[21:23] <x_link> Just have a question, then I will leave you guys alone.
[21:24] <x_link> What do you guys think of Kubuntu 64-bits?
[21:24] <x_link> I have Kubuntu 7.10 32-bits right now and it works great.
[21:24] <_dennister> stick with it then
[21:24] <ScarFreewill> x_link, stay
[21:24] <x_link> I had 2GB RAM, but I got another 2GB today. But when I do "free -m" it only shows 3.5GB =/
[21:24] <flipstar> yep
[21:24] <x_link> It doesn't show the other 512MB.
[21:24] <flipstar> thats 32bit
[21:24] <x_link> Why is that?
[21:24] <x_link> But 32-bits is supposed to support 4GB RAM?
[21:25] <flipstar> 32 can only adress 3.5
[21:25] <flipstar> no
[21:25] <x_link> Ahha okey.
[21:25] <rjb> thanx for the link from ubotu, but i'm afraid it contains nothing of use to me
[21:25] <Arwen> flipstar, actually, with extended memory addressing, up to 64GB can be used
[21:26] <Arwen> but not at the same time
[21:26] <flipstar> so how to do this ?
[21:26] <Arwen> *shrug*
[21:26] <flipstar> uhm thats just theoretic ?
[21:27] <BluesKaj> ok , errands are done
[21:27] <rjb> ok could someone perhaps point me to a channel where folks that play w/mobile phones hang out?
[21:27] <x_link> flipstar: So you don't think that I should switch to 64-bits?
[21:28] <flipstar> "never change a running system" :P
[21:28] <Arwen> flipstar, hmm? no, it exists on MS Windows Server and probably Linux too
[21:28] <Arwen> just don't know how to use it
[21:28] <flipstar> if you really need this 512mb you can do this ..
[21:28] <x_link> flipstar: Okey then =)
[21:28] <ScarFreewill> how can I set my http proxy in cli?
[21:28] <x_link> But 64-bits should be better?
[21:28] <flipstar> not nessesary
[21:29] <x_link> Okey.
[21:29] <flipstar> it might be faster in some apps
[21:29] <x_link> flipstar: But then I will stay I guess.
[21:29] <x_link> But now my RAM isn't dual-channel I guess?
[21:29] <BluesKaj> x_link: depends on your graphics card
[21:29] <_dennister> x_link, i echo flipstar's comment..don't do what I did and change a running system
[21:29] <x_link> Since it only uses 3.5GB =/
[21:29] <ScarFreewill> x_link, you'll get less support for various applications as well as packages if you use 64bit version
[21:29] <Arwen> 64-bit is faster until you have to load 32-bit libs for compatibility
[21:29] <BluesKaj> 64 bit is lacking with ATI hardware
[21:29] <_dennister> I just did and now i'm in here looking for help :(
[21:29] <x_link> _dennister: Did you just change to 64-bits?
[21:30] <_dennister> no, i've tried various times to go 64-bits...always sorry
[21:30] <x_link> _dennister: Okey, what didn't you like with it?
[21:30] <BluesKaj> _dennister:  that's been my experience too
[21:30] <x_link> I'm not trying to be negative or a pain in the ass with my questions. I just wanna know =)
[21:30] <x_link> So no hard feeling for my questions! =)
[21:30] <_dennister> the fact taht some apps won't work with it...like flash...sorry, but I love good rhetoric
[21:31] <_dennister> I'd miss listening to good presentations like michael geist, eben moglen...
[21:31] <_dennister> hey, BluesKaj long time no chat
[21:32] <BluesKaj> yeah _dennister , how you been ? :)
[21:32] <x_link> _dennister: Okey.
[21:32] <x_link> Just one last thing.
[21:32] <_dennister> u must be a real expert by now...it's been rough lately, BluesKaj , but I'm recovering now since i moved again
[21:32] <x_link> Now that I have 4GB RAM, but only 3.5GB works.
[21:32] <x_link> Then I my RAM isn't  working as Dual-Channel, right?
[21:33] <_dennister> and it'll be even better when i win my lawsuit against my old landlords...more hardware, here we come :)
[21:33] <x_link> _dennister: hehe
[21:33] <_dennister> but anyway, i need some help with kde4/kde3
[21:33] <flipstar> x_link: no..the problem is that a 32bit system can only adress 3.5gig ..so everything else cant be used
[21:33] <BluesKaj> _dennister:  far from 'expert " I'm afraid , aamof , i'm in particularly bad jam with this latest update that borked my setup :P
[21:34] <_dennister> yeah, i think my latest update this morning is what borked me up, too...what did u update?
[21:34] <x_link> flipstar: I know, but am I using Dual-Channel now or Singel-Channel?
[21:34] <BluesKaj> I tried kde4 , but it wasn't for me
[21:34] <x_link> BluesKaj: Not me either =/
[21:34] <x_link> BluesKaj: Just upgraded to KDE 3.5.9
[21:35] <BluesKaj> oww x_link
[21:35] <x_link> =)
[21:35] <x_link> But KDE 4.0 isn't done yet-
[21:35] <_dennister> well i can't get into kde3 now since my update of today...kde4 is the only way I can get logged in to the xserver
[21:35] <flipstar> x_link: you have to take a look at your motherboard for that
[21:35] <x_link> It will maybe look better in 3-6 months or so.
[21:35] <x_link> flipstar: Okey.
[21:35] <x_link> flipstar: I only have 4 memory-slots, and I have RAM-sticks in every one.
[21:35] <x_link> So it must be Dual-Channe..
[21:35] <x_link> Channel.
[21:36] <BluesKaj> _dennister:  it was yesterday , the word is that a language package upgrade is the offending item
[21:36] <x_link> But I thought since it only uses 3.5GB of those 4GB maybe it's not dual-channel right now.
[21:36] <flipstar> x_link: yep if your board support this, you have it :)
[21:36] <ScarFreewill> BluesKaj, how long do you think kde3 wil be available for kubuntu?
[21:36] <_dennister> BluesKaj, yep! that's it! i'd forgotten, thanks!
[21:36] <flipstar> ScarFreewill: at least until 8.10 :)
[21:37] <x_link> flipstar: okey, I will reboot now to see =)
[21:37] <ScarFreewill> lts right?
[21:37] <BluesKaj> ScarFreewill:  prolly another 6mos
[21:37] <_dennister> so perhaps I should purge the language pack? will that help me get back into kde3 and its apps?
[21:37] <mohi> hi, is it possible to connect two laptops with their wireless for internet and file sharing?
[21:38] <ScarFreewill> BluesKaj, but if its in the lts wouldn't it be available for a little longer?
[21:38] <BluesKaj> _dennister:  that's what I'm trying to do...I have absolutely no acces to either the login page or the tty on either generic or recovery :P
[21:38] <BluesKaj> ScarFreewill: if it's LTS yes
[21:39] <BluesKaj> <--running on live CD
[21:40] <ScarFreewill> ah got inet working for my kde appes
[21:40] <ScarFreewill> eth0 down
[21:40] <_dennister> i get the login page, type in my password, only 2 out of 6 or 8 icons get lit up, and then i'm dropped back into the login screen...i did login successfully with a console login, but 'starx' wouldn't work...dropped me right back into console
[21:41] <Exilant> all formated now, i hope that backup worked :)
[21:41] <ScarFreewill> I'm off Good Luck _dennister
[21:42] <_dennister> bye ScarFreewill
[21:42] <rjb> hmm tried bitpim, but it's not able to talk to my phone over usb afaics
[21:42] <BluesKaj> _dennister:  exactly the problem I had yesterday ...ran out of options and patience (IMO anyway) and did 3 clean installs so far ..all fail upon rebooting after setting up my fav apps and sources ..left the graphics settings alone , except for enabling the restricted default driver
[21:43] <_dennister> oh, nooooooo!!! and now ur in livecd!...I can't do a clean install now...I've got that lawsuit I'm still preparing
[21:44] <_dennister> hearing is on march 13 :P
[21:44] <BluesKaj> trying to rescue my last install, but it's taking a while , cuz my cli abilities are rather limited
[21:44] <_dennister> ok...locales 2.3.6 is conflicting with language-pack-en-base
[21:45] <_dennister> does anyone have a link to the fix for this thing?
[21:45] <mathew_> hey does anyone hear know a quick and easy to set up tv viewer?
[21:45] <mathew_> also a good
[21:45] <mathew_> one i tried kaffine but its slow
[21:45] <mathew_> like keeps jumping
[21:45] <mathew_> on piture
[21:46] <BluesKaj> _dennister:  you may be able to rescue it , genii seems to think it can be done
[21:46] <Exilant> rjb: you might have some luck with bitpim nonetheless, for example it can browse the filesystem on my s81, but doesn't automatically recognise it or can do anything else
[21:46] <_dennister> there were 3 language related updates i allowed today...does anyone remember precisely which ones they were?
[21:46] <rjb> Exilant: i tried, but couldn't get bitpim to communicate w/ my samsung *at all*
[21:47] <mathew_> hey does anyone hear know a quick and easy to set up tv programs?
[21:47] <mathew_> for kubuntu
[21:47] <Exilant> mathew_: xawtv?
[21:47] <BluesKaj> !languageissues
[21:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languageissues - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:47] <mathew_> is it good
[21:47] <rjb> i had better luck with kmobiletools, but only browsing the phonebook and sms collection
[21:47] <BluesKaj> tvtime is good too
[21:48] <Exilant> mathew_: depends on what you want
[21:48] <rjb> it doesn't do file transfers afaics
[21:48] <mathew_> to be able to wacth tv without crappy flickers n stutters lol
[21:48] <BluesKaj> !language-pack
[21:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about language-pack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:48] <mathew_> how do i install it
[21:48] <_dennister> ok, well it says genii is here...i'll just go out to have a cig and then ping him...hopefully he'll be closeby
[21:49] <Exilant> mathew_: well, try it. apt-get install xawtv or the like
[21:49] <BluesKaj> he said he'd be around , _dennister
[21:50] <Daisuke_Ido> just have to mention one of the magic words
[21:50] <TheFuzzball> does anyone know how to install Compiz Fusion 0.7.0 in Kubuntu Gutsy?
[21:50] <Daisuke_Ido> coffee and beer
[21:50] <flipstar> !compiz > TheFuzzball
[21:50] <Daisuke_Ido> !compiz | TheFuzzball
[21:50] <ubotu> TheFuzzball: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:51] <trappist> is there a way to dump my current package selection to a file that I could use later to duplicate it?
[21:51] <mathew_> apt-get install xawtvapt-get install xawtvapt-get install xawtv
[21:51] <flipstar> !clone > trappist
[21:51] <trappist> flipstar: perfect, thanks
[21:52] <rjb> bluetooth is kind of flaky, every once in a while the devices just disconnect, breaking a long-running file transfer
[21:55] <BluesKaj> flipstar: mount: proc already mounted or /media/target/proc busy ; mount: according to mtab, proc is already mounted on /media/target/proc
[21:55] <rjb> and the speed reminds me of the times i used a printer cable to hook 2 pc's together
[21:55] <Exilant> hehe :)
[21:56] <rjb> PLIP it was called - IP over a parallel line (== printer cable)
[21:57] <Exilant> those were the days
[21:57] <Exilant> actually, that was better than the serial cable
[21:57] <rjb> faster, yes
[22:00]  * BluesKaj wonders what's next after mounting
[22:03] <flipstar> BluesKaj: after mount youre near to your target..try unmounting first ..
[22:03] <MrJoey> What Ubuntu package is fdisk in?
[22:03] <Arwen> !search fdisk
[22:03] <ubotu> Found:
[22:03] <BluesKaj> flipstar: unmounting ??
[22:04] <flipstar> its in base install
[22:04] <flipstar> with umount ..
[22:04] <BluesKaj> pls explain
[22:04] <flipstar> umount media/target/proc
[22:05] <BluesKaj> ok, don't understand why tho
[22:05] <trappist> now, any easy way to dump all crontabs to file I could use to restore them?
[22:05] <Jahromeo> !compiz
[22:06] <crookshanks> anyone know if it's possible to increase the buffer limit on pasting into konsole?
[22:06] <Jahromeo> ? compiz
[22:06] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:06] <MrJoey> Okay, fdisk is apparently in the package "mount"
[22:06] <flipstar> it says it already is mounted.. you also could just restart BluesKaj ..
[22:06] <BluesKaj> flipstar:  did the cmd  and this was the message : umount: media/target/proc is not mounted (according to mtab)
[22:07] <flipstar> crookshanks: in kde3 setting-->progress or similar
[22:07] <_dennister> ok, well i've pinged genii...will have to wait until he comes back from whereever
[22:07] <Aranel> I have a problem with Xterm. Here: xterm: Can't execvp /usr/X11R6/bin/luit: No such file or directory
[22:08] <flipstar> BluesKaj: restart would probably easyier..i did a error when i said mount media/blah instead of /media/blah ..
[22:09] <crookshanks> flipstar: progress?  i can't find that option
[22:09] <BluesKaj> restart ?  ...I
[22:09] <flipstar> crookshanks: i dont know how it is called..but it is in the menu there ..
[22:09] <swatto> anyone else go the bug when you click on a internet link in a program it trys to load the link in konqueror and then konqueror just disappears...
[22:09] <BluesKaj> I'm on Live CD , flipstar
[22:09] <flipstar> yes
[22:09] <Jahromeo> yep swatto had it with segmenation issues
[22:09] <Jahromeo> i reformatted
[22:09] <crookshanks> flipstar: do you mean the history buffer?  that's not linked to pasting though is it?
[22:10] <flipstar> crookshanks: this is what you wanted to change dont you
[22:10] <swatto> hmmm
[22:10] <crookshanks> flipstar: not history, i wanted to increasing the pasting buffer
[22:10] <flipstar> crookshanks: default is 1000 lines
[22:10] <flipstar> no it is not the bash history..
[22:10] <flipstar> thats a different thing
[22:11] <crookshanks> flipstar: i don't think i'm explaining my question well enough
[22:11] <crookshanks> flipstar: if i paste into konsole from my clipboard, using shift+insert, there's apparently a limit onto how much i can paste
[22:11] <flipstar> yes..1000 lines ..
[22:12] <crookshanks> flipstar: that's not the case as far as i can tell
[22:12] <crookshanks> i just tried to paste 413 lines and it stopped short
[22:12] <jpatrick> Hug Day! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080228/KDE
[22:13] <flipstar> crookshanks: then you might remove line format in the text you paste
[22:13] <Arwen> yay for topic length limits?
[22:13] <crookshanks> flipstar: i'm pasting raw text
[22:13] <crookshanks> no formatting
[22:13] <crookshanks> two_hc1_0:
[22:13] <crookshanks>   patient:    two
[22:13] <crookshanks>   field_name: hc1
[22:13] <crookshanks>   reason:     decrease from previous measurement
[22:13] <JoTrocken> has anyone some knowledge about the fglrx driver? Iḿ jsut getting a black screen when following the official installation guideline
[22:13] <jpatrick> Arwen: meh
[22:13] <flipstar> no line breaks ?
[22:14] <Jahromeo> ! compiz
[22:14] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:14] <Jahromeo> ? compiz
[22:14] <Jahromeo> !compiz
[22:15] <Arwen> when I use kdesu/kdesudo/sudo to start a GTK+ application like "Synaptic" or "Firefox", it loads with the ugly default GTK style instead of the one in KDE settings
[22:15] <Arwen> what could be causing that?
[22:15] <jpatrick> !msgthebot > Jahromeo
[22:15] <flipstar> Arwen: on hardy ?
[22:15] <BluesKaj> well, I think I'll try another clean install , waiting around is not my forte , I'll just uninstall language-pack updates before i reboot ...just hope some here which ones have to be  deleted :P
[22:16] <Arwen> flipstar, yeah
[22:16] <BluesKaj> some here know, that is
[22:16] <flipstar> Arwen: try "ln -s ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde ~/.gtkrc-2.0" and then run firefox
[22:17] <Arwen> hey, it works
[22:17] <Arwen> thanks
[22:17] <Arwen> you're GODLIKE
[22:17] <BluesKaj> oops , I forgot I was on the live cd :)
[22:18] <sebastian_> hi
[22:18] <sebastian_> hätte ne frage wegen meinem internet
[22:19] <jpatrick> !de | sebastian_
[22:19] <ubotu> sebastian_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[22:19] <sebastian_> thx
[22:21] <rjb> *sigh* looks like i will need to boot windows in order to transfer large files to/from my phone
[22:21] <rjb> or buy a memory card reader and pop the micro sd back and forth
[22:22] <Ertain> Hello everyone.
[22:22] <Ertain> For some odd reason my computer keeps freezing up.
[22:22] <Ertain> I don't know why.
[22:22] <_dennister> ok, in case other pps run into this problematic update of language packs, here's one fix I'm gonna try: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-en/+bug/187602 and the ubuntuforums thread on the same topic: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=695801&highlight=language+bug
[22:22] <_dennister> but i have to log out of kde4 to try it...be back soon
[22:22] <lordrayden> hi, is there a guide for configuring wine for windows games? I tried google and it didn't work
[22:22] <tzanger> good evening
[22:22] <tzanger> tell me, is it possible to take a debian install and "convert" it to the latest kubuntu?
[22:23] <Ertain> I'm running Kopete, along with normal programs, but it doesn't look like anything is amiss.
[22:23] <jpatrick> tzanger: no
[22:23] <tzanger> jpatrick: ok
[22:24] <jpatrick> tzanger: too much of a binary diff
[22:24] <tzanger> understood
[22:24] <Jahromeo> !compiz
[22:24] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:24] <tzanger> I wasn't sure if it was debian with a huge usability layer over top of it or what ;_)
[22:24] <tzanger> er :-)
[22:25] <lordrayden> ok, let's take it simple, after I install wine do I have to do extra configuration to plai windows games? or is it out of the box?
[22:26] <omeow> Adept just installed a list of updates and now I can no longer type a double quote. If I try it, then a / appears instead. What happened? My keyboard layout did not change. It's still set to what it was. US int.
[22:26] <lordrayden> play
[22:26] <lordrayden> is there a tutorial 4 that?
[22:28] <|FT|Cry_Wolf> anyone here?
[22:29] <|FT|Cry_Wolf> hello?
[22:29] <jpatrick> !hi | |FT|Cry_Wolf
[22:29] <ubotu> |FT|Cry_Wolf: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[22:31] <|FT|Cry_Wolf> i need some help with the instalation of kubuntu, its giving me an input/output error at about 57% install
[22:32] <|FT|Cry_Wolf> anyone?
[22:34] <lovre> hi all
[22:35] <lovre> when i run a movie with kaffeine, when the subtitles are big and go over the movie itself, the kaffeine and the whole computer blocks, or flitches... Why is this and how to fix?
[22:38] <BluesKaj> ok, is it the language-pack-en-base that's the conflicting and offending package that's breaking ppl's setups ?
[22:38] <BluesKaj> !language-pack-en-base
[22:39] <jpatrick> !info language-pack-en-base
[22:39] <ubotu> language-pack-en-base (source: language-pack-en-base): translations for language English. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.10+20080205 (gutsy), package size 3482 kB, installed size 16400 kB
[22:40] <Jahromeo> what is shortcut for katapult again
[22:40] <Jahromeo> keyboard shortcut
[22:40] <BluesKaj> jpatrick:  is that the one that's breaking ppl's systems ?
[22:40] <jpatrick> BluesKaj: hardy?
[22:40] <casper_> hey i have a gimp question. how do i convert a selection to a layer?
[22:40] <BluesKaj> alt+spcebar
[22:41] <BluesKaj> gutsy
[22:41] <storbeck> casper_: #gimp
[22:41] <casper_> ok
[22:42] <dennister> ok, fix i found in launchpad worked :)
[22:43] <BluesKaj> dennister:  url /
[22:43] <BluesKaj> ?
[22:43] <dennister> for anyone who can't get into kde3, just do a console login, and then type in 'LANG="en_US.UTF-8" startx'
[22:44] <casper_> #gimp is completely dead. someone please help. ill just repeat the question: How do i convert a selection to a layer in gimp?
[22:44] <dennister> i had typed in the ubuntuforums thread on this, and the launchpad url earlier, before i logged out
[22:45] <Jahromeo> !katapult
[22:45] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[22:46] <tzanger> katapult is pretty nifty
[22:46] <dennister> BluesKaj: have you been logged in here continuously since we last talked? if so, scroll up for the urls ^^
[22:47] <BluesKaj> dennister: i just did this from the live cd and the languge pack was removed:  /media/target$ sudo apt-get remove language-pack-en-base
[22:48] <dennister> BluesKaj: did it work for you? r u back in kde on your drive?
[22:48] <BluesKaj> do you think it'll work , cuz i can't even access the login page or the tty on my system
[22:48] <BluesKaj> I haven't tried to reboot
[22:48] <BluesKaj> still on cd
[22:48] <dennister> i don't know...can u get a console login?
[22:49] <BluesKaj> dunno yet, i couldn't on the install
[22:49] <BluesKaj> anyway here goes ..bbiab
[22:49] <dogma> Salut tout le monde
[22:50] <dennister> just write down the phrase b4 you log out of livecd: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" startfx
[22:50] <dennister> too late :(
[22:51] <dogma> hmm how can i install windows messenger on kubuntu? it's the first time i use it
[22:51] <dogma> plz :)
[22:52] <dogma> it's maybe not possible
[22:52] <dogma> ?
[22:52] <SlimeyPete> use gaim or pidgin or kopete for msn chat.
[22:52] <hydrogen> err
[22:52] <hydrogen> gaim is pidgin
[22:52] <hydrogen> so you can't use one or the other
[22:53] <SlimeyPete> can too - older versions of kubuntu call it "gaim" ;)
[22:53] <dogma> when i launch kopete that's crash
[22:53] <dogma> (sorry for my english it's my main language)
[22:53] <dogma> (not*)
[22:53] <SlimeyPete> try pidgin then
[22:53] <niall_> you need to get the updates
[22:53] <niall_> to fix kopete
[22:54] <dennister> dogma: pidgin is good...it replaces all the instant messengers in one
[22:54] <boggystudios>  is there a tutorial on how to customize edubuntu (or any other linux distro) to a particular school?
[22:54] <dogma> it's include with kubuntu?
[22:54] <dennister> dogma: yes
[22:54] <niall_> dogma: have you got all the updates?
[22:55] <dogma> i dont sure ^
[22:55] <niall_> did you get any?
[22:55] <dogma> i'm on linux since 10 minutes
[22:55] <dennister> some versions of kubuntu, anyway, the more modern ones
[22:55] <jules223> anyone here got kubuntu running on a macbook
[22:55] <niall_> there should be a icon of a box with a ! on it, in the bottom left
[22:55] <niall_> click that
[22:55] <niall_> and click check for updates
[22:55] <Jahromeo> anyone willing to help me with emerald themer for a second - cant seem to find out where i can browse the themes once its dls them - stupid question :P
[22:55] <jules223> i cant seem to get the onboard net card working
[22:56] <dogma> i'm gonna check
[22:56] <flipstar> Jahromeo: use emerald-theme-manager :=)
[22:56] <niall_> bottom right I mean
[22:56] <niall_> ;]
[22:56] <phobes> What's the Kubuntu equivalent way to Ubuntu's monitor that lets you search for open files?
[22:56] <Jahromeo> i am flipstar - i cant seem to see where it saves em to once its done - edit just got the error - calling tar?
[22:57] <flipstar> no.. .emerald
[22:57] <flipstar> no.. ".emerald"
[22:58] <Jahromeo> Im using settings > emerald theme manager
[22:58] <Jahromeo> i cant see to see where it puts the themes once i click fetch themes
[22:58] <dennister> okiedoke...i'm going to rest my back with a nap...if BluesKaj comes back in, the fix to get back into kde after the language-pack-upgrade problem is ^^^^^
[22:58] <dennister> or for anyone else...cya soon
[22:59] <Jahromeo> is there any app that allows me to install my current install on my 4gb flashdrive?
[22:59] <Jahromeo> kind of like norton ghost in windows
[23:00] <rickest> Jahromeo: partimage
[23:00] <rickest> Jahromeo: I don't know if it's like norton ghost, tho
[23:01] <Jahromeo> it will allow me to install my customized kubuntu = e.g. my current desktop to a flashdrive @ rickest
[23:01] <sourcemaker> kde is blocking /dev/dsp... how can I fix this?
[23:02] <flipstar> Jahromeo: i get the same message when using this..try http://kde-look.org and download by yourself ..
[23:02] <crimsun_> sourcemaker: adjust artsd's timeout in System Settings
[23:02] <Jahromeo> thanks flipstar
[23:02] <dogma_> maw dont found the icon for updates ^
[23:02] <dogma_> ^^
[23:02] <rickest> Jahromeo: partimage makes a backup of your whole partition so it's at least similar
[23:03] <rickest> Jahromeo: the advantage of partimage over dd is it only backs up data (dd backs up every byte, data or no)
[23:03] <jules223> can someone tell me how to select a network device in kubuntu
[23:03] <rickest> jules223: meaning what by 'select'?
[23:04] <jules223> under the device tap of Knetworkmanager is says no active device
[23:04] <sourcemaker> crimsun_: fast response... fast solution... problem solved... thanks a lot :-)
[23:04] <Jahromeo> thanks rickest
[23:04] <Jahromeo> is there any way to kill an app or see whats running - like in windows its ctrl+alt+del
[23:05] <rickest> Jahromeo: in KDE I believe it's CTRL-ESC
[23:05] <Jahromeo> thanks perfect @ rikest
[23:05] <dogma_> can you say how to find the icon upadte in kubuntu easily plz? ^^
[23:06] <lordrayden> any fixes on the yahoo->kopete file transfer?
[23:06] <lordrayden> yet?
[23:06] <rickest> jules223: not really familiar with the network manager, sorry. maybe someone else can help
[23:06] <Jahromeo> dogma what are you trying to update
[23:08] <dogma_> kopete ^^
[23:08] <dogma_> because when i try to coonect on messenger that crash
[23:10] <Jahromeo> hmmm how bout removing it then re-installing?
[23:10] <flipstar> apt-get --reinstall install
[23:10] <flipstar> or use adept
[23:11] <dogma_> no i dont know to use konsol
[23:11] <Ertain> !flash
[23:11] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[23:12] <derdui_> Hi does anybody know a voice changing tool for skype?
[23:13] <not|root> Hi. What repo is vmware-player in?  apt won't let me reinstall. :-/
[23:13] <not|root> better yet, how would I find out for myself?
[23:13] <LjL> not|root: it's not available in Gutsy
[23:13] <flipstar> !vmware | not|root
[23:13] <ubotu> not|root: VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[23:13] <not|root> O_o
[23:14] <not|root> Uh, I need vmware-player to use quicken to pay bills.
[23:15] <flipstar> you could download it from the vmware website
[23:15] <flipstar> and follow the instructions
[23:15] <swatto> anybody know anything about setting up my keyboard to open my 2 CD-Trays and close them again
[23:15] <not|root> I guess I'll have to do that, then. :-/
[23:16] <flipstar> not|root: there are also others..
[23:16] <not|root> Or I could move the VM to a different machine.
[23:16] <flipstar> !virtualizers | not|root
[23:16] <ubotu> not|root: There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[23:16] <Jahromeo> i liked virtualbox
[23:16] <not|root> All of my data is in the vmware VM at the moment.
[23:17] <not|root> I'll just put the VM on my laptop I guess.
[23:17] <not|root> thanks
[23:17] <dogma_> !kopete
[23:17] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Client Kopete (http://kopete.kde.org) is supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC. See also !gaim
[23:18] <ol_dude67> hey i went to install kdm and it didnt install right now i cant get apt-get to work at all it keeps errorring out on me, how do i fix it?
[23:18] <MrJoey> Is there a FAT (filesystem) equivalent of ntfsclone?
[23:19] <MrJoey> ol_dude67> Try sudo apt-get update and see what happens
[23:19] <MrJoey> You can also try sudo apt-get -f install or sudo apt-get clean all
[23:19] <Jahromeo> where can i find the kde control center?
[23:19] <swatto> type kcontrol
[23:19] <ol_dude67> MrJoey, , it errors too i already tried the update
[23:19] <Jahromeo> ta
[23:19] <MrJoey> Open the terminal and type 'kcontrol' :)
[23:19] <MrJoey> Have you tried clean all, then update?
[23:20] <MrJoey> update just updates the package listings; it doesn't upgrade everything.
[23:20] <sMonk> I need some help, again. I just tried to boot my system, and when I try to log on, it gets to the second stage of loading KDE and the screen goes black and kicks me back to login prompt. When I tried to do a console start, it says it checks the conf.0.log and then the conf file, then it shuts down the XServer. Any Ideas?
[23:20] <Jahromeo> is there a default mac os type option for taskbar - or do i need to install kiba-dock?
[23:20] <flipstar> sMonk: you need to unintall the latest translation pack update ..
[23:21] <sMonk> ok, how do I do that from console may I ask?
[23:21] <sMonk> Or should recovery mode do it?
[23:21] <yao_ziyuan> silly question: does linux need a software firewall?
[23:22] <beautifulsnow> Not really
[23:22] <Jahromeo> i still like ipcop/smoothwall for my networks :P
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> sMonk» "sudo apt-get remove language-pack-base language-pack-en"
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> !languagepack
[23:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languagepack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:22] <beautifulsnow> Question: Does anyone know how to tell Konversation to run /nickserv identify PaSsWoRd when I connect to a server?
[23:22] <flipstar> yao_ziyuan: until you dont run a server you dont really need a firewall..
[23:22] <Jahromeo> yes
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> beautifulsnow» yeah... just a sec
[23:22] <yao_ziyuan> flipstar: ok
[23:23] <beautifulsnow> Tanks nosrednaekim
[23:23] <flipstar> yao_ziyuan: tr https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 .. all your ports should be closed :)
[23:23] <Jahromeo> i know how to do it when it starts
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> beautifulsnow» settings->identities
[23:23] <Jahromeo> but im looking in meu caus i dont want to quit
[23:24] <beener> for sum reason if i leave my computer idle for around 5 hours it logout by itself, which is a problem because i use it as a n alarm, anyone know how to fix this
[23:24] <beener> ?
[23:24] <derdui_> does anybody know a voicechanging tool for skype?
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> beautifulsnow» make the Service "NICKSERV" and the password..... your password ;)
[23:24] <Jahromeo> guys is there a default option for a max osx type taskbar in kcontrol - or do i need to dl something like kiba-dock?
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> Jahromeo» you need kiba dock, or awn or kooldock
[23:25] <Jahromeo> k i will go compile kiba
[23:25] <Jahromeo> kooldock is bad
[23:25] <beener> actualy it happend within 3-5 hours
[23:26] <BanTam> can someone help me get MergedFB working?
[23:27] <BanTam> ive pulled out all but 1 hair on my head today trying to get it working with my dual monitors
[23:27] <dogma_> Jahromeo i dont arrive to answer i'm no registered
[23:27] <dogma_>  :s
[23:28] <pcmax> Sysinfo for 'PCMAX': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlon643500+ at 1000 MHz (2393 bogomips), , RAM: 994/1011MB, 115 proc's, 3.14h up
[23:28] <beautifulsnow> nosrednaekim thanks, i was wondering why the heck they asked for a service, i thought "IRC" DOH!
[23:28] <pcmax> Uptime: 3 hours and 15 minutes
[23:28] <Jahromeo> wow need 40mb of downloads to install kiba
[23:28] <nosrednaekim> Jahromeo» GTK?
[23:28] <Jahromeo> https://www.homeinc.de/int/index.php - following that
[23:28] <nosrednaekim> pcmax» thats nothin..... my brother's mythTV backend has 125 days :)
[23:29] <Jahromeo> unless you have an ubuntu tutorial somewhere
[23:29] <Jahromeo> !kiba-dock
[23:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiba-dock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> !kiba
[23:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiba - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:29] <beener> or at least someone point me to the power saveing stuff to see if its in there (but im not sure why it would log out???)
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> :)
[23:29] <pcmax> sudo apt-get install openarena
[23:29] <Jahromeo> https://www.homeinc.de/int/index.php - using that as my basis nosrednaekim
[23:29] <Jahromeo> its written by one of the compiz-fusion guys -ghostcube
[23:30] <BanTam> does anyone know anything about MergedFB?
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> probably good enough
[23:30] <Arwen> BanTam, me
[23:30] <Arwen> what do you need>?
[23:30] <BanTam> Oh thank God
[23:30] <BanTam> :)
[23:31] <BanTam> ok i followed the howto on how to set it up..
[23:31] <beautifulsnow> I love K/Ubuntu like... like... my first born to be :P <3___<3
[23:31] <BanTam> but im a little confused about the instructions
[23:31] <Arwen> well, for starters, paste your xorg.conf and walk through the steps you've taken so far
[23:32] <BanTam> ok
[23:33] <BanTam> http://pastebin.com/m7cb5b969
[23:33] <BanTam> theres my xorg.conf
[23:34] <Arwen> BanTam, ok, and what are you trying to accomplish?
[23:34] <BanTam> what confuses me is, in the device section, am i adding the settings for the 2nd monitor (the one im trying to add)  or for my MAIN monitor, and for the Monitor section, am i adding the settings to reflect on my MAIN monitor or the 2nd?
[23:34] <BanTam> im trying to get my dual monitors working BOTH with 3d acceleration
[23:35] <BanTam> im currently using xinerama (thats not the xorg.conf file in using for xinerama though..
[23:35] <dogma_> i've downloaded again kopete but i dont where must i click there a lot a files i understand nothing...
[23:35] <dogma_> on windows we must click on .exe files and on kubuntu how can i install a software?
[23:36] <Arwen> BanTam, under Monitor/Screen, you enter in the settings for your first display
[23:36] <Arwen> and then you add the rest of the settings in Device
[23:36] <Arwen> via Blah2Option
[23:36] <Arwen> I see two problems with your xorg.conf so far
[23:36] <Arwen> Metamodes should be "Horiz1xVert1-Horiz2xVert2"
[23:37] <BanTam> the device section, should reflect which monitor? main or 2nd?
[23:37] <Arwen> second
[23:37] <Arwen> MonitorLayout "CRC, CRT" doesn't look right either
[23:37] <Arwen> CRT, CRT*
[23:37] <nosrednaekim> !packages | dogma_
[23:37] <ubotu> dogma_: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[23:38] <Arwen> 20000 packages, some of which ought to be phased out :-P
[23:38] <BanTam> [6:37:32 pm] <Arwen> CRT, CRT*  <--shouldbe a  * and not " ?
[23:39] <Arwen> no, that was a correction of a typo I made
[23:39] <BanTam> k
[23:39] <Arwen> how are your monitors hooked up?
[23:39] <nosrednaekim> Arwen» actually,its upwarsd of 25000 now
[23:39] <Arwen> hehe
[23:39] <BanTam> how about : Metamodes should be "Horiz1xVert1-Horiz2xVert2"  i enter that? or the #'s
[23:39] <dogma_>  ^^
[23:39] <Arwen> the numbers
[23:39] <Arwen> like 1280x1024-1280x800
[23:39] <BanTam> ive got the #s in there
[23:40] <flipstar> 24872
[23:40] <Arwen> BanTam, look at the syntax more carefully
[23:40] <dogma_> i deep in sh*t ^^
[23:40] <BanTam> oh sorry i see should be n  x
[23:40] <Arwen> "1024-768" "1024-768"  <-- should be 1024x768-1024x768
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> flipstar» hardy or gutsy?
[23:40] <BanTam> thanks for pointing that out
[23:40] <flipstar> ehm hardy..
[23:40] <Arwen> you also don't need "MergedNonRectangular" since they're the same rez
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> flipstar» well.... almost 25000 :)
[23:41] <flipstar> jep :P
[23:41] <BanTam> and the monitor section you say should reflect the MAIN monitor correct?
[23:41] <Arwen> yes
[23:41] <Arwen> the CRT2Whatever options reflect your secondary
[23:41] <BanTam> so that SHOULD work then?
[23:41] <BanTam> with those changes?
[23:41] <BanTam> Oh how about my drivers ? is the fglrx driver ok?
[23:41] <Arwen> well, your monitorlayout setting looks dodgy
[23:42] <Arwen> and you can't use it with fglrx, only atu
[23:42] <Arwen> ati*
[23:42] <BanTam> ok
[23:42] <sMonk> nosrednaekim: so if I do: "sudo apt-get remove language-pack-base language-pack-en"  Won't that mess up all my fonts? or no?
[23:42] <BanTam> well i will give it a whirl and see what happens thanks so much. will let you know what hapens
[23:42] <Arwen> BanTam, wait!
[23:43] <BanTam> ok
[23:43] <nosrednaekim> sMonk» certainly not your fonts...it just removes the canadian english dictionaries...
[23:43] <sMonk> nosrednaekim: or should i dpkg?
[23:43] <Arwen> BanTam, are both your monitors attached via VGA?
[23:43] <BanTam> yes
[23:43] <sMonk> ok
[23:43] <nosrednaekim> sMonk» you do use canadian repositories, right?
[23:43] <Arwen> then I think it should be crt1 and crt2 but I'm not sure
[23:43] <BanTam> uts a dual head
[23:43] <Arwen> for MonitorLayout
[23:43] <Arwen> you really don't have DVI? o.O
[23:43] <sMonk> mostly yes.. except for the spell check, because it only seems to work on US
[23:44] <BanTam> well one monitor is using the adapter
[23:44] <nosrednaekim> sMonk» okey.... then removing those should fix it
[23:44] <Arwen> then it should be "tmds, crt"
[23:44] <sMonk> nosrednaekim: thank you.
[23:44] <BanTam> even though its a crt monitor?
[23:45] <Arwen> yeah
[23:45] <BanTam> Ahh
[23:45] <sMonk> btw, when do you think it will be "safe" to re-install them?
[23:45] <Arwen> confusing, but the values actually reflect the port
[23:45] <BanTam> good lookin
[23:45] <BanTam> your RIGHT! it did mention that somewhere
[23:45] <nosrednaekim> sMonk» not sure... I think somone is already found a fix..
[23:45] <dogma_> its not possible.. what can i do to install kopete when I got it?
[23:45] <nosrednaekim> dogma_» whats not possible?
[23:46] <BanTam> Option "MonitorLayout" "LVDS (TMDS), CRT" # LVDS = Laptop Screen, TMDS = DVI Port, CRT = VGA Port NOT MONITOR TYPE!
[23:46] <BanTam>   Option "CRT2Hsync" "30-65"
[23:46] <sMonk> I found a site that tells you to dpkg -i an older file
[23:46] <BanTam> thats what the how to says
[23:46] <BanTam> Your good
[23:46] <Arwen> oh, and unless you uninstall fglrx, the "ati" driver will not run with 3d accel
[23:46] <flipstar> sMonk: you just have to find this particular file in the cache..then you can install via dpkg..
[23:46] <BanTam> so who would i enter that? "MonitorLayout" "LVDS (TMDS), CRT"
[23:46] <dogma_> because i dont understand on windows it's so easily to install a software here there is a lot of file and i dont know on what file can i click ton install..
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> sMonk» that works if you still have the older file around
[23:47] <Arwen> "MonitorLayout" "TMDS,CRT"
[23:47] <Arwen> "MonitorLayout" "TMDS, CRT" *
[23:47] <BanTam> ok
[23:47] <Arwen> without the asterisk...
[23:47] <BanTam> so then i need to uninstall the ATI proprietary drivers?
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> dogma_» its even easier in Linux.... open up the add-remove packages
[23:47] <sMonk> true.. well, I'll go remove them pgks.. thanks guys
[23:47] <Arwen> BanTam, yeah. You know, fglrx has a similar dual-head mode...
[23:48] <BanTam> the second monitor is using the adapter so should i put CRT, TMDS or no?
[23:48] <Arwen> yeah, that would be it
[23:48] <Arwen> first, second
[23:49] <BanTam> k
[23:49] <BanTam> do i need to change the identifier name of the monitor or no?
[23:49] <Arwen> no
[23:49] <not|root> \/j #ubuntu-complaints
[23:50] <BanTam> k
[23:50] <BanTam> and the driver should be ATI not fglrx
[23:50] <jcgkffycs> I've been using kde4 for awhile, but it has a lot of bugs, and finally crashed completely. I cannot get it up again. But I got accustomed to the present windows feature. I have installed compiz and emerald on kde3.5 but the command compiz --replace emerald --replace leaves me without window borders.
[23:50] <Arwen> BanTam, yes
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> jcgkffycs» "compiz --replace && emerald --replace"
[23:51] <BanTam> ok im going to uninstall the ati prop driver now then give this a shot
[23:51] <BanTam> will i still have gl effects with the ati driver?
[23:51] <Arwen> yes, but somewhat slower
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> BanTam» depends on your hardware
[23:51] <BanTam> ok
[23:51] <Arwen> don't try motion blurring for one
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[23:52] <Arwen> last time I tried that, I killed X :_)
[23:52] <BanTam> ok im using envy to uninstall the driver.
[23:52] <Arwen> !
[23:52] <jcgkffycs> nosrednaekim: that didn't work either.
[23:52] <nosrednaekim> jcgkffycs» do you have an nvidia?
[23:52] <supertanker> How come Kubuntu doesn't come with the Gimp?
[23:52] <jcgkffycs> no,
[23:52] <Arwen> supertanker, because it's not KDE
[23:52] <BanTam> it will automatically default back to the ati restricted driver?
[23:53] <Arwen> BanTam, don't know how envy works. I'd check afterwards to make sure.
[23:53] <beautifulsnow> PixelDemo FTW
[23:53] <nosrednaekim> jcgkffycs» ATI? Intel?
[23:53] <BanTam> k
[23:53] <jcgkffycs> I think intel
[23:53] <nosrednaekim> jcgkffycs» could you check?
[23:53] <BanTam> it said it was setting the driver to Vesa
[23:54] <nosrednaekim> jcgkffycs» "lspci | grep -i vesa"
[23:54] <jcgkffycs> is there a command to check?
[23:54] <jcgkffycs> sorry thanks
[23:54] <jcgkffycs> lspci | grep -i vesa didn't output anything
[23:54] <BanTam> i guess i should reconfig xserver-xorg and get a fresh xorg.conf to work with?
[23:55] <nosrednaekim> jcgkffycs» "lspci | grep -i VGA" sorry
[23:55] <Arwen> eh, dunno, there's nothing too wrong with your current one. If you do, make sure to enter the mergedfb changes into it :-P
[23:55]  * Arwen loves Hardy's Xorg 7.3 xrandr = no metamode nonsense
[23:55] <nosrednaekim> :)
[23:55] <BanTam> ill paste em all in , i saved a copy of xorg.conf in a temp folder
[23:55] <BanTam> :)
[23:56] <jcgkffycs>  VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[23:57] <nosrednaekim> jcgkffycs» ok....so, open a konsole and run "compiz --replace && emerald --replace" and tell me what errors you get.... you can restore the borders with "kwin --replace", but don't close the konsole
[23:57] <BanTam> well here goes everything
[23:57] <BanTam> brb
[23:59] <BluesKaj> no joy dennister  :(
[23:59] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj» still having problems with lang-pack?