[00:05] New bug: #195617 in launchpad "Focusing form field doesn't show its caption" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195617 [00:10] New bug: #195620 in malone ""I don't know" default produces too many package-less bug reports" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195620 [00:54] kiko: hey, I think I've found an odd edge-case and/or bug with PPAs [00:55] mtaylor: what's that ? [00:55] cprov: if you have a team with a PPA and you rename the team, it renames the web interface to the PPA, but it doesn't actually rename the ppa, so the old ppa location still exists [00:55] cprov: so the web information is wrong... until you upload package to the new location [00:56] cprov: and even better, the old PPA still works as a download location [00:56] with increasingly out of date packages [00:57] mtaylor: PPA does not support rename/reassign properly yet, let me find the bug report. [00:57] cprov: ah. ok. then I didn't actually find the bug. :) [00:58] mtaylor: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/87326 [00:58] Launchpad bug 87326 in soyuz "Support PPA Renaming and Reassignment" [Medium,Confirmed] [00:59] mtaylor: considering the confusing side effects, we should not allow renaming of people/teams with activated PPA [00:59] cprov: is there a way to de-activate a PPA? [01:00] mtaylor: no :( [01:00] hehe [01:17] cprov, you here still? [01:19] superm1: yes [01:20] cprov, sorry to pester, but i have a package on a ppa that shouldn't be there (it was deleted in the webif some time back). [01:21] cprov, i posted to -users, but didn't get a "quick" response, and its holding up one of our builds, and causing lots of support traffic [01:21] superm1: you have to do another upload for previous packages to go away [01:21] superm1: what does the UI say about the source ? [01:21] cprov, it doesnt list it [01:21] Hobbsee, the thing is that i *dont* want that package there [01:21] superm1: not even if you select 'Superseded' or 'Any' filter ? [01:22] cprov, its there in Superseeded yes [01:22] but status is "deleted" [01:22] superm1: tough. launchpad doesn't delete *anything* properly. [01:22] superm1: haven't you ever read their privacy policy? [01:23] Hobbsee, well i was hoping that it would at least not be used when building since it was marked "deleted" [01:23] superm1: you can't even get to the deleted sources and binaries, unless you go thru librarian, can you? [01:23] Hobbsee: please, don't make things more confusing ... We do delete packages from the archive *properly*. [01:24] Hobbsee, , well i can get to them via ppa.launchpad.net [01:24] and browse them there [01:24] superm1: which package are you talking about ? [01:24] cprov, faad2 on the mythbuntu-trunk ppa [01:25] cprov: i was meaning that you can't remove anything, completely, from launchpad [01:25] cprov, if the binaries went away and the source sat there, i'd be fine - but both are still available [01:25] Hobbsee: right, that's is only true from a deeper PoV. [01:27] Hobbsee: that's a good thing in general [01:28] Debian, for instance, has to have snapshots. ,etc. so they don't lose track of previous packages [01:28] superm1: I've checking the status of the source you mentioned, one sec. [01:29] LaserJock: I don't see how that (Debian snapshots) compares to a PPA? [01:30] superm1: the source was deleted before it could built and publish the binaries. [01:30] superm1: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk/+archive?field.name_filter=faad2&field.status_filter=superseded [01:30] because PPA is a general thing [01:30] superm1: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk/+archive/+builds?build_text=faad2&build_state=all [01:31] soyuz keeps old packages around, that's handy, is my point [01:31] cprov, then how did it get used in a package build? [01:31] superm1: so, the deletion didn't stop the packages to be built and the got published [01:31] LaserJock: For a distro it makes sense. PPAs aren't really distros. [01:31] oh [01:31] superm1: holding the source in the archive pool (it's not in the archive index, though) [01:31] ScottK2: whatever, I was responding to Hobbsee's comment [01:31] That sounds like a bug. [01:31] Sure [01:31] ScottK2: not specifically about superm1's problem [01:32] cprov, so can you manually take those binaries out then? [01:32] Right, but generally I don't think PPAs are for building distros and different conditions should be treated differently. [01:32] superm1: I can, but I'd rather wait for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/191892 to get fixed in edge [01:32] Launchpad bug 191892 in soyuz "Unsuperseded binaries can't be deleted from PPAs" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) [01:33] cprov, well can you just delete the amd64 ones, and leave the lpia ones to test if the bug is fixed? [01:33] that way we both benefit? [01:33] ScottK2: is pretty much a LP "philosophy" [01:34] superm1: when the bug mentioned is solved you will be able to delete those yourself, via +delete-packages [01:34] there's no doubt PPAs are different from distros [01:35] for a start, PPA builds always pull in a base distribution that isn't under your control [01:35] (assuming you aren't also an Ubuntu developer) [01:35] * ScottK2 wonders what superm1 is supposed to do in the meantime ... [01:35] yeah that's what i was going to say [01:35] i mean is there an ETA on that bug being fixed on edge? [01:35] superm1: Maybe upload a newer version, let it publish and build and then delete that. [01:37] ScottK, yeah i suppose that's a temporary solution that should work [01:37] superm1: generally speaking, if you're affected by a bug on launchpad, and it's not marked as fix committed, you're better off trying the workaround if you can, or if you can't, then not doing that component of work with launchpad. [01:37] superm1: no worries, I will delete them right now and take this burden from your back ... [01:37] superm1: it's not safe to wait for when the bug might be fixed, due to the number of delays, etc. [01:37] cprov, thanks, that's most appreciated [01:39] superm1: binaries gone ... [01:39] superm1: they will be out of the index within 5 minutes and will be removed from the archive pool tomorrow [01:52] cprov, thanks === fabbione is now known as thegodfather [02:56] How long would be okay to wait for my 'bzr commit'ed code to register on launchpad? [02:57] Vad1: about 2 minutes [02:57] Vad1: is the branch hosted on launchpad, or just mirrored there? [02:57] Vad1: unless the branch is mirrored [02:57] Hosted, and it's definitely been more than 2 mins [02:57] Vad1: what is the branch? [02:57] It's here: https://code.launchpad.net/~vperetokin/vadi-mapper/main [02:58] I did a bzr commit about half an hour ago. [02:59] Still new to this, so I might have messed something up. [02:59] Vad1: it looks like you didn't push the new revision [03:00] What's the difference between push and commit? [03:02] commit is just a local operation [03:02] Vad1: commit creates a new revision in the branch. push publishes any new changes in your local branch to another location. [03:03] Vad1: maybe this would be a good read http://people.ubuntu.com/~ianc/talks/Getting-Started-with-Bazaar.pdf [03:03] Ahh, I see. Okay, pushed now, so it should go through [03:03] Sweet, thanks [03:03] Vad1: so if you have a local branch, rather than just a checkout of a remote branch, "bzr commit" will only create the revision locally, and you'll need to use "bzr push" to publish the newly created revision. [03:04] What if I just bzr push? Or is commit still required? [03:04] Vad1: you can use "bzr checkout" rather than "bzr branch" if you want to work directly with the remote branch, rather than on a separate local branch. [03:05] Vad1: "bzr push" will only send new revisions, so if you haven't done a commit since the last push, nothing will happen (and it will say so). [03:05] Okay, thank you very much. Much clearer now [04:35] New bug: #195660 in launchpad-bazaar "loggerhead atom feed shows nothing in ff3" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195660 === Syntux__ is now known as Syntux [05:10] New bug: #195664 in malone "Bug mail does not indicate an attachment was added" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195664 [08:18] g' morning... [08:19] how does one closes a proj on LP, keeping the data, but not allowing anymore changes? (i.e. Read Only) [08:30] BUGabundo: I'm not sure that's possible. Why would you want to do it? [08:33] I want to close a project that has finish, Fujitsu [08:33] there is no need for it to be open [08:33] but I want to keep all the events, bugs, blueprints, etc in there === rraphink is now known as raphink [08:33] for future consult. [08:41] How is a project ever finished, exactly? [08:47] eheh [08:47] it was a university project. [08:47] that discipline is over [08:47] I used LP to coordinate the group work, code, bugs, blueprints, etc [08:48] Ah. That sounds like a bad use of LP... normal projects don't actually end. [08:48] I think that ANY proj was a lifetime! [08:49] it can be a few month or several years [08:49] Even if the devs leave, the project could well continue. [08:49] but any proj can and will eventually end [08:49] Why would a project want to irrevocably end? [08:49] not on this case... there was a time frame for it. [08:50] BUGabundo: we do not offer a way to lock a project like that. [08:51] ok [08:51] I'll open a bug/wishlist. thanks [10:01] Gooooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders! [10:04] It's an mpt! Run! [10:06] Fujitsu: shh, we were supposed to act like nothing happened ;) [10:08] mpt: hiya [10:29] g'morning mpt [10:32] oh noes1 mpt1 [10:40] Hobbsee: is your shift-key broken again? [10:41] geser: it was, yeah [10:41] * Hobbsee hopes for a fix before hardy release [10:43] hello :) [10:43] hi heret1c [10:43] * heret1c tips hat at BUGabundo [10:45] BUGabundo: know anything about the priority on that ide/dma/intel chipset bug? A fix is proposed in http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#combined ? [10:45] I know nothing about it [10:46] BUGabundo: ah. [10:50] New bug: #195723 in malone "Make the bugtask edit form expanders more consistent" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195723 [10:50] Uh... [10:52] BjornT: You fixed that quickly. [10:54] Fujitsu: well, it was just to record a piece of work that was done trying to fix another bug. [11:06] Ah, I see. [11:07] bug #195735 [11:07] Launchpad bug 195735 in launchpad "strange usernames on LP that should be reserved/blacklisted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195735 [11:08] Fujitsu: you're complaining about bugs being fixed quickly now? [11:08] Heh. [11:10] BUGabundo: dunno about god, if they do that one might need to extend it to a bunch of religious figures [11:10] I guess [11:10] as long as they don't ban flyingspaghettimonster [11:10] and should we allow ANY user to use THEIR name? [11:11] of course not Hobbsee... that's yours, and everyone knows it [11:11] hehe [11:11] and with a nick like that, any one might think you are really a guy [11:11] or even a small teenager [11:11] that's the point... [11:11] hobbsee is too girly [11:12] (no ofence towards your family name) [11:12] it's a hell of a lot easier (pretending to) being male, sometimes [11:12] hwo though? most people call me a he, when they don't know [11:12] sure... [11:12] I've done this expirement in the past: [11:12] I usualy have skype as skypeme and get really low amount of income calls (other then spam) [11:13] but my gf can only have it on online, because if she only puts it as skype me for a few seconds, it won't stop [11:13] I didn't believe it could be like that [11:14] so I went to my skype profile and changed the gender, while on skypeme [11:14] humm guess what, Hobbsee ?! [11:16] New bug: #195735 in launchpad "strange usernames on LP that should be reserved/blacklisted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195735 [11:23] BUGabundo: what? [11:24] ah yes [11:24] i've put a clearly female user in #ubuntu before, just to see what happens [11:50] New bug: #195743 in blueprint "blueprint tracker lacks an advanced search" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195743 [12:14] lots of folks jumping, right Hobbsee? [12:14] a few years ago, when I went to a lan party with about 800 ppl [12:14] there were something like 10 girls participating [12:15] one told me, she could see guys just putting their heads above the monitors, just to check the girls out, when they crossed the rows.... [12:16] New bug: #195753 in launchpad ""UbuntuCodeOfConduct-1.0.1.txt" is a typo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195753 === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch [12:20] BUGabundo: heh. actually, i was walking through the computer building coridoor today - same thing happened [12:21] eheheh [12:21] guys suck big time with that [12:21] especially geeks/neerds [12:21] calm down guys... [12:21] * BUGabundo looks around for an exit! [12:24] they weren't obviously undressing me with their eyes though, which was nice. [12:29] I'd like to think that at least part of that is just being relatively out of place. [12:33] all this talk it terribly offtopic, oojah_ [12:33] this is true [12:33] no one else is talking, though [12:34] eheh [12:34] fine by me, until someone kicks me [12:34] or I get enough hungry go to eat my lunch [12:34] BUGabundo: fortunately, in ubuntu and such, you eventually get to a place where you know that the guys will back you up, at least for the most part [12:34] its no fun being in private im's [12:35] * BUGabundo thinks of other ways of getting "back" up [12:35] careful with your words, Hobbsee [12:35] * Hobbsee sighs [12:35] yes, i know you people will tend to take any statement dirtily, if you possibly can. [12:50] * BUGabundo I won't make any more comments, and leave that line there just so anyone can see it! [13:07] New bug: #195759 in launchpad "Mail overload. Toggle to only send mails of subscribed bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195759 === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [13:48] Linux Kernel 2.6.24.3 and 2.6.25 RC3 launched. === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [14:00] New bug: #195779 in rosetta "Decreasing number of plural forms makes some data invalid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195779 [14:01] a new bug starting as confermed? [14:03] what ffm? [14:03] BUGabundo: don't all bugs start as "new"? [14:03] ahh [14:03] according to ubotu 195779 started as "confermed". [14:04] ahhh [14:04] you are right! ffm [14:04] and why are they using the private pastebin https://pastebin.canonical.com/ ? [14:04] in any case, I have to go. [14:04] don't know! [14:04] * ffm is away. "Back later". [14:04] I can't login to see it! [14:12] Hi all, I've just noticed that I can add pages to https://help.launchpad.net/, I think. I haven't hit the save button, yet. I'm the creator of this blueprint https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/launchpad-project-doc and think that this will suit my purposes quite well. Am I allowed to add pages? [14:13] * ScottK2 would suggest hit save and find out. If it works, you are. [14:13] frenchy: no. this wiki is just for launchpad documentation [14:14] frenchy: so, you are allowed to add pages (even welcome to), but only if these are pages that document how launchpad works [14:14] frenchy: if you want to a wiki page for your blueprint, you'll have to do it somewhere else [14:15] ScottK2: that isn't the case. we rely on users not creating pages in this wiki that aren't for documentation of LP [14:15] intellectronica: Thanks, I don't want it for the blueprint. I want it so I don't have to use SF. [14:16] frenchy: i don't understand [14:16] frenchy: is the page you are creating a help page on how to use LP? [14:17] intellectronica: No, I want a place to put project documentation. [14:18] My apologies, there might be a "stub" page at https://help.launchpad.net/me-tv, but I haven't saved it. [14:18] frenchy: so, no, you can't use the help wiki for that [14:18] frenchy: no problem [14:19] frenchy: may i recommend http://jottit.com/ for now? ;-) [14:19] intellectronica: That's good to know because I get a few complaints from people using my software. They say that LP is hard to navigate. Maybe I can document some steps myself. [14:21] frenchy: sure. talk to mrevell about the new documentation team. i think there's a lot going on in the area right now and your help will be greatly appreciated! [14:21] Hi frenchy! [14:22] frenchy: For a first step, take a look at: https://help.launchpad.net/DocTeam [14:22] intellectronica: Thanks, I'll check that out. I have some web space on SF but another criticism is that there's too many sites with different information. That's why I created the blueprint, it would be great if LP was the one-stop-shop for all project info. [14:22] mrevell: Hi! [14:23] frenchy: i agree. who knows, maybe one day... [14:23] mrevell: Thanks, checking that out now. [14:23] intellectronica: Sorry. Misunderstood what he was asking for. [14:24] ScottK2: no worries [14:24] ScottK: I probably wasn't clear. === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch [15:32] I've ran into a big of a problem, and not sure what is the proper way to go about this. I've made my project, I can download/upload stuff okay, but - it asks me for a passphase each time. So how can others upload stuff ? Would they need to use bzr branch first and then merge branches, or should I give the passphase out? [15:36] Vad2: Well. [15:36] Vad2: Rule one: Don't give out your passphrase. Ever. [15:36] That's what I was thinking too. Mk [15:36] Glad to hear it :) [15:37] Vad2: What's your project? If I can take a look I'll be able to explain it better. [15:38] gmb: https://launchpad.net/vadi-mapper [15:38] * gmb looks [15:38] Vad2: Okay. So for that project, the main branch is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vperetokin/vadi-mapper/main [15:39] mhm [15:39] If you look at that URL, you'll see three important sections after the hostname. [15:39] ~vperetokin is your username (the ~ denotes the fact that it refers to a user). [15:39] vadi-mapper is the project name. [15:39] and main is the name of the branch. [15:39] right [15:40] I could now bzr branch that branch, make some changes and upload it to Launchpad at, say: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gmb/vadi-mapper/foo [15:40] As you can see, the project name has stayed the same but the username and branch name have changed. [15:41] Launchpad will automatically link that branch to the vadi-mapper project since the URL includes the project name. [15:41] If you wanted to include my changes in your main branch you could then merge my 'foo' branch into your 'main' branch and push it back to its original location. [15:42] Vad2: Does that explain it sufficiently? [15:42] Right. So I'd tell someone to do "bzr branch ", do some code changes, then "bzr commit" and "bzr push". And I'd then merge it? [15:43] Vad2: Yes. I don't think bzr push would automatically push it back up to launchpad, they'd have to specify the location to push to (e.g. bzr push bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gmb/vadi-mapper/foo) but otherwise, yes, that's pretty much how it works. [15:44] Vad2: Alternatively, you could create a team for vadi-mapper developers and push the branch to a shared location [15:44] So if the team was called vadi-mapper-dev anyone who was a member of that team could push to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vadi-mapper-dev/vadi-mapper/ [15:45] That would be a better idea. Where can I make it? [15:45] (Though obviously they'd have to ensure that conflicts with other peoples' changes would be resolved). [15:45] Vad2: Give me a second, I'll look the URL up for you. [15:45] Thank you [15:46] Vad2: https://launchpad.net/people/+newteam [15:46] np. [15:49] Is there a bzr command to copy stuff over from my branch to the new vadi-mapper-dev oen? [15:49] *one [15:57] hmm [15:58] bzr branch link to your existing branch, bzr commit -m "Initial commit", bzr push link to the vadi-mapper-dev branch === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara [16:20] How can I delete a branch? === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [16:24] in the branch page there is an option 'delete branch' [16:24] not sure if you can do it through bzr [16:26] Vad2: note that if someone is subscribed to the branch you won't be able to delete it [16:27] you can rename it, though [16:29] That option is gone for some reason [16:30] Vadi: go to the /+delete page and you will know the reason [16:30] for example ~myteam/myproject/mybranch/+delete [16:30] Got it. I'm subscribed to the branch, that's why I think [16:31] <andrea-bs> Vad2: note that if someone is subscribed to the branch you won't be able to delete it [16:31] ;) [16:31] I didn't get that - maybe it happened when I switched networks [16:31] (see how I got renamed too!) [16:32] yeah, sorry [16:32] Can I rename a branch? [16:32] yes, you can [16:32] Ah found it, in branch details [16:35] Okay, so I think I got it setup now. I've created a team, vadi-mapper-dev, and a branch for it, and it's linked to the vadi-mapper project. Now, the instructions I can give is to get the source code, do "bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vadi-mapper-dev/vadi-mapper/main", make some changes, then "bzr commit" and "bzr push" to upload? [16:36] yeah [16:36] a tip: you can use lp:~vadi-mapper-dev/vadi-mapper/main instead of http://... [16:37] also, if you link the branch to a trunk you can use lp:project/trunk [16:37] ahh. Well that's what launchpad gave me [16:37] eh. [16:37] I just have one branch right now - 'main'. [16:38] <Vadi> ahh. Well that's what launchpad gave me ← that's because it works only if the launchpad plugin is enabled (in ubuntu is default) [16:38] Oh I see. [16:38] you can link the branch to https://launchpad.net/vadi-mapper/trunk [16:39] oh, it's linked yet [16:39] so... my main branch really isn't main? Trunk is? [16:40] the branch is 'main' and the trunk is 'trunk' [16:41] to download it you can use both "lp:vadi-mapper/trunk" and "lp:~vadi-mapper-dev/vadi-mapper/main" [16:41] and also "lp:vadi-mapper" :) [16:42] Which one is more OS-compatible? Most people working on the project will be on Windows, I suspect :/ [16:42] you have to use "bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vadi-mapper-dev/vadi-mapper/main" [16:43] or you can install the launchpad plugin, but the effect is the same [16:43] andrea-bs: okay, thank you. [16:55] hi, i'm having some issues when pushing new code to my branch, http://pastebin.com/d44c37f9d , can anyone help me? === synico is now known as synic === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [17:28] since when does launchpad assign untranslated strings to a translator? === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [18:02] can someone please help me with question #25435 in launchpad itself === salgado is now known as salgado-afk [19:09] How can I remove the accidently added gqview distribution package here: https://launchpad.net/brasero/+packages [19:10] pascal80: there is a delete link on the left [19:12] hexmode: I don't see any delete link [19:12] are you logged in? [19:12] are you brasero on launchpad? [19:12] hexmode: I did register the brasero project and I'm logged in with my LP account [19:13] pascal80: you know what? I thought you were talking about a PPA. My bad. [19:13] sorry, I don't know the answer [19:13] hexmode: no problem [19:17] pascal80: can you delete it from there? https://launchpad.net/brasero/trunk/+ubuntupkg [19:24] danilos: thanks, I'll try [19:38] andrea-bs: no, I don't see a delete action on that page [19:39] pascal80: so I think it's better you contact a sysadmin with Launchpad Answers asking to delete it [19:43] andrea-bs: actually I did this a while ago here: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/13056 [19:45] pascal80: that's strange because generally admins solve this problems quickly, but what about closing this question and opening a new one? [19:49] andrea-bs: I just reopened the question a few days ago, perhaps I should wait a little longer [19:50] pascal80: I'd like to help you, but I'm not a sysadmin, sorry... perhaps you will have more chances sending a mail to the launchpad-users mailing list [19:52] andrea-bs: thanks anyway [20:01] New bug: #195872 in malone "multiple edit using the email interface doesn't seem to work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195872 === Syntux_ is now known as Syntux === salgado-afk is now known as salgado [21:26] hello launchpaders; [21:28] I would like to know if someone could help me to set up the sync between a project on googlecode and launchpad? [21:29] I have defined a branch but for some reasons LP fails to operate the import. [21:30] The project can be found in LP by searching for djmap [21:30] yml: please file a question on launchpad-bazaar, as the help says to do so [21:31] i think he did that already, in fact [21:32] I have done it yesterday or this moning [21:32] :-( [21:33] yml: the people responsible for this mostly live in aus/nz at the moment [21:33] But since I have never done such thing I was just checking if there was an obvious reason [21:33] so you filed it around the time i went to bed [21:34] This is fine no emergency [21:35] I don't want to be rude just willing to be sure the ball is rolling :-) [21:35] yml: you know on the form "https://code.edge.launchpad.net/djmap/+addbranch", it says: "This is the external location where the Bazaar branch is hosted." [21:35] yml: how can we make it more obvious that this is _not_ how to request a subversion import? [21:35] yml: this is a serious question, people make this mistake all the time [21:36] yml: you should put the details on this page: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/djmap/trunk/+source [21:37] mwhudson : may be just write some information in the code section of "take a tour" [21:40] is it just me or LP is so slow that most pages timeout? [21:41] yml: it really shouldn't be _that_ slow [22:11] thank you it seems that LP is now testing I hope it will import it [22:28] how do I get a sprint added to launchpad? [22:30] ffm, https://launchpad.net/sprints [22:31] salgado: thx. === ffm is now known as ffm_remote === salgado is now known as salgado-afk