[00:01] <mohbana> any idea where PHP iCalendar is?
[00:02] <deuryte> hello boys and girl !
[00:02] <deuryte> s
[00:03] <deuryte> please!!!!           not verybody at once!!
[00:03] <deuryte> ok, a guy walks into a bar..........
[00:04] <deuryte> anyway, i do need a little assistance  provafor
[00:05] <pipatron> Some /kick assistance
[00:06] <deuryte> i need to know if there is or are "commands" that bring kde back to default steeings / almost like restoring to and earlier date,  i installed gaurddog, and a portsniffing program, and while surfing it eventually quit accessing the web. it dials in, but wont acces a single page........
[00:07] <deuryte> ???   please !!!
[00:08] <pipatron> I don't think anyone will respond three times as fast if you use three exclamation marks, actually
[00:08] <tretl1> maybe you portsniffed too many ip's and your isp is on to u :D
[00:09] <deuryte> well im new to chat and am not familiar with protocols......  please forgive......nooby
[00:09] <diamond5pam> With Captain Hamza first fell on
[00:09] <diamond5pam> To talk on things relating to religion:
[00:09] <diamond5pam> Their speech did then all of a sudden thicken,
[00:09] <diamond5pam> And one affront received another back.
[00:09] <diamond5pam> Unto Mitchunovitch the Captain said:
[00:09] <diamond5pam> “Thou Vlach! Better am I than thou! Dost hear?
[00:09] <diamond5pam> Know’st not that letter is my faith than thine!
[00:09] <diamond5pam> I mount my steed and gird me with sharp sword,
[00:09] <diamond5pam> And I am captain, too, of royal town;
[00:09] <diamond5pam> Three hundred years my line has govern’d there,
[00:09] <diamond5pam> At the sword point my grandsire did it gain,
[00:09] <diamond5pam> When so were fix’d the destinies of States:
[00:09] <diamond5pam> To me to rule ii cometh down by right.“
[00:09] <diamond5pam> Then Vuk Mitchunovitch up straightway fir’d,
[00:09] <diamond5pam> And Hamza thus address’d as he drew near: -
[00:09] <tretl1> kick him
[00:09] <diamond5pam> “Villein am I? thou hog and renegade!
[00:09] <diamond5pam> Is traitor better then than knight?
[00:09] <diamond5pam> How canst thou talk of ‘sword’ and ‘Kossovo’?
[00:09] <diamond5pam> Were we not there together on that day?
[00:09] <diamond5pam> I wrestled then, and still I wrestle now,
[00:09] <diamond5pam> But thou hast ever traitor been, both first and last;
[00:09] <diamond5pam> Thyself hast thou dishonour’d ’fore the world:
[00:09] <diamond5pam> Thou hast denied the faith of all thy fathers:
[00:09] <diamond5pam> And hast enslaved thyself to strangers!
[00:09] <diamond5pam> Why boast then of thy town, or of thy lordship?
[00:09] <diamond5pam> All Turkish towns that neighboring are to us,
[00:10] <diamond5pam> Have I not girdled them with marble tombs?
[00:10] <diamond5pam> So that for men no longer are they towns,
[00:10] <diamond5pam> But rather prisons for unhappy captives!
[00:10] <diamond5pam> I am a scourge of God, for thee prepar’d.
[00:10] <diamond5pam> To bring to mind the evil thou hast wrought!”
[00:10] <diamond5pam>  
[00:10] <deuryte>  need to know if there is or are "commands" that bring kde back to default steeings / almost like restoring to and earlier date,  i installed gaurddog, and a portsniffing program, and while surfing it eventually quit accessing the web. it dials in, but wont acces a single page.....
[00:11] <pipatron> deuryte: And asking the same question twice usually doesn't get a faster response either
[00:12] <tretl1> try #kubuntu
[00:12] <deuryte> i did it cause that other guy covered me up
[00:12] <deuryte> what is this room for?
[00:12] <pipatron> Discussing the latest ubuntu beta
[00:12] <diamond5pam> With Captain Hamza first fell on
[00:12] <diamond5pam> To talk on things relating to religion:
[00:13] <deuryte> not kde? this is where some one pointed me to
[00:13] <diamond5pam> Their speech did then all of a sudden thicken,
[00:13] <diamond5pam> And one affront received another back.
[00:13] <diamond5pam> Unto Mitchunovitch the Captain said:
[00:13] <pipatron> Huh
[00:13] <diamond5pam> “Thou Vlach! Better am I than thou! Dost hear?
[00:13] <diamond5pam> Know’st not that letter is my faith than thine!
[00:13] <diamond5pam> I mount my steed and gird me with sharp sword,
[00:13] <diamond5pam> And I am captain, too, of royal town;
[00:13] <diamond5pam> Three hundred years my line has govern’d there,
[00:13] <diamond5pam> At the sword point my grandsire did it gain,
[00:13] <diamond5pam> When so were fix’d the destinies of States:
[00:13] <diamond5pam> To me to rule ii cometh down by right.“
[00:13] <pipatron> Why do people think this is the KDE support channel?
[00:13] <diamond5pam> Then Vuk Mitchunovitch up straightway fir’d,
[00:13] <diamond5pam> And Hamza thus address’d as he drew near: -
[00:13] <diamond5pam> “Villein am I? thou hog and renegade!
[00:13] <diamond5pam> Is traitor better then than knight?
[00:13] <diamond5pam> How canst thou talk of ‘sword’ and ‘Kossovo’?
[00:13] <diamond5pam> Were we not there together on that day?
[00:13] <diamond5pam> I wrestled then, and still I wrestle now,
[00:13] <diamond5pam> But thou hast ever traitor been, both first and last;
[00:13] <diamond5pam> Thyself hast thou dishonour’d ’fore the world:
[00:13] <diamond5pam> Thou hast denied the faith of all thy fathers:
[00:13] <diamond5pam> And hast enslaved thyself to strangers!
[00:13] <diamond5pam> Why boast then of thy town, or of thy lordship?
[00:13] <diamond5pam> All Turkish towns that neighboring are to us,
[00:13] <diamond5pam> Have I not girdled them with marble tombs?
[00:13] <diamond5pam> So that for men no longer are they towns,
[00:13] <diamond5pam> But rather prisons for unhappy captives!
[00:13] <diamond5pam> I am a scourge of God, for thee prepar’d.
[00:13] <diamond5pam> To bring to mind the evil thou hast wrought!”
[00:13] <diamond5pam>  
[00:15] <tretl1> !kick diamond5pam
[00:15] <Flannel> !ops | diamond5pam
[00:15] <ubotu> diamond5pam: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[00:16] <Dave2> .k-flood *@12-205-109-228.client.mchsi.com
[00:16] <LjL> try again
[00:16] <Dave2> yus
[00:16] <Dave2> damn typing...
[00:16] <nalioth> Dave2: fail
[00:16] <nalioth> :D
[00:16] <Dave2> indeed :(
[00:17] <hydrogen> duhnduhnduhn
[00:17] <tretl1> that ip only points to a proxie :(
[00:17] <tretl1> proxy
[00:17] <nalioth> tretl1: we know
[00:17] <pipatron> /ignore works fine
[00:18] <tretl1> i thought there was some sort of anti flooding system on freenode
[00:20] <nalioth> tretl1: there is.
[00:20] <tretl1> didnt seem to stop the spam on this occasion
[00:21] <Flannel> tretl1: You can get around it by talking slow enough
[00:23] <DanaG> Cue the gRIM plugin... (theme song about Arnold Rimmer)
[00:23] <DanaG> .... not.
[00:25] <tretl1> lol, red dwarf :) great show
[00:33] <ShitStainz> hey guys, could you please read this and let me know if i can fix my system? http://dpaste.com/36831/
[00:34] <lmiller> Hi
[00:35] <Flannel> ShitStainz: please change your nick, you've already been asked twice.
[00:35] <ShitStainz> change it to what?
[00:35] <ShitStainz> anything else?
[00:36] <nemil2k5> is this better?
[00:36] <DanaG> Much better.
[00:36] <nemil2k5> ty
[00:36] <feierfox> what do you think: are to many changes in the 2.6.24er kernel to to hardy "LTS-(stable)-enough"?
[00:36] <lmiller> If I did a Dapper to Hardy upgrade today, what chance of success do you think I would have?
[00:36] <feierfox> or will the new features be stable in 2.6.25 +
[00:36] <nemil2k5> now if someone can "try" to help me
[00:37] <pipatron> nemil2k5: I'm afraid that's impossible at the moment
[00:37] <DanaG> Sounds like you're stuck in an indeterminate state.  Metapackage to reinstall: ubuntu-desktop.  Use the Hardy repos.
[00:37] <DanaG> Downgrading can break things very easily.
[00:38] <nemil2k5> but i cant seem to use the internet through recovery console
[00:38] <Flannel> nemil2k5: Alternate CD
[00:38] <DanaG> sudo dhclient eth0
[00:38] <DanaG> on wired interface.
[00:38] <nemil2k5> wireless
[00:38] <nemil2k5> im on wireless
[00:38] <DanaG> Open or WPA?
[00:38] <nemil2k5> open
[00:38] <nemil2k5> oh wait wpa
[00:38] <DanaG> aah, iwconfig will do it.
[00:38] <nemil2k5> its wpa
[00:38] <nemil2k5> i have a passkey
[00:38] <DanaG> Oh, I don't remember how to do wpa with command line.
[00:39] <DanaG> I do know it's possible, though.
[00:39] <lmiller> anyone?
[00:39] <nemil2k5> i ready to re-install the entire thing (its too much of a hassle, i know), but is tthere a way i could backup my old config files to use it on my new install?
[00:39] <nemil2k5> i am ready*
[00:40] <nemil2k5> if i use my livecd, i can see the .wine, .xchat2, and all those folders
[00:40] <DanaG> Is there nowhere you can go on wired ethernet?
[00:40] <nemil2k5> nope
[00:40] <DanaG> or no way to temporarily set the access point to open?
[00:40] <nemil2k5> its not my router
[00:40] <nemil2k5> so i cant access it
[00:40] <DanaG> aah.
[00:41] <nemil2k5> i just need some way to save some o fmy settings
[00:41] <Flannel> nemil2k5: Alternate CD + sneakernet
[00:41] <nemil2k5> if i can do taht, im ready to re-install
[00:41] <nemil2k5> hmm
[00:41] <DanaG> Wait a minute, you can use desktop CD and chroot.
[00:42] <nemil2k5> chroot?
[00:42] <nemil2k5> what do you mean? (im a little new)
[00:42] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=306424
[00:43] <DanaG> But before doing stuff with apt within the chroot, edit the sources.list to point to Hardy again.
[00:43] <nemil2k5> also Flannel, whats sneakernet? also how do i use the alternate cd (through recovery)
[00:43] <nemil2k5> i dont want hardy tho
[00:43] <nemil2k5> (i had the gutsy install) but i mistakenly put in hardy repos and updated
[00:47] <nemil2k5> hey guys, im going for a class right now, but i will be back later (to ask for more help if needed)
[00:49] <Flannel> nemil2k5: Alternate CD can be treated like a repository (to downgrade or upgrade to).  Sneakernet is what you do when you have no net (wired or wireless), you put stuff on physical mediums, and walk (on sneakers) to the computer
[00:49] <DanaG> Unfortunately, downgrading back to Gutsy is rather complicated, and it is truly much easier with network.
[00:49] <nemil2k5> cant i chroot into my gutsy?
[00:50] <DanaG> Yeah, but if using the alternate CD, it'll still have no network.  YOu'll need to do wpasupplicant stuff manually.
[00:50] <DanaG> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[00:50] <nemil2k5> is the alternate CD a guaranteed work?
[00:51] <nemil2k5> i mean, i know i have broken it pretty good
[00:51] <lmiller> Should I go from Dapper to Hardy or Dapper to Edgy?
[00:51] <nemil2k5> needs massive repair
[00:51] <RAOF> lmiller: Dapper to Hardy, probably.  But not yet :)
[00:51] <RAOF> lmiller: Unless you're wanting to help make Dapper -> Hardy work, of course :)
[00:51] <Flannel> lmiller: Its doable, some people have done it, we could use more testing at the moment ;)
[00:52] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another thing: the downgrade itself can be rather complicated.
[00:52] <lmiller> it's a tough call
[00:52] <DanaG> man apt_preferences
[00:52] <lmiller> hardy seems almost there
[00:52] <DanaG> There's a way to give Hardy packages negative priority, essentially.
[00:52] <lmiller> and who know what cruft will accumulate between dapper to edgy to feisty to gutsy
[00:52] <Flannel> lmiller: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-e7f287c730b93116f89de7ea7e05efbe95fa6dd1
[00:53] <nemil2k5> DanaG, do you think i can copy some of the folders from ym old filesystem and use them (if i install the same apps on my new install again?)
[00:53] <Flannel> lmiller: you really don't want to do that upgrade, Even if you're just going to wait for Hardy
[00:53] <lmiller> Flannel: The one via edgy, gutsy, etc?
[00:53] <Flannel> lmiller: yeah.
[00:54] <lmiller> argh
[00:54] <Flannel> lmiller: What do you need in gutsy/hardy so urgently?
[00:55] <lmiller> It's my laptop, runs dapper but half of the stuff on it doesn't work and I have limited internet connection. Today I have it networked for once and so is a good chance to upgrade it.
[01:00] <Flannel> lmiller: I'd try the hardy upgrade.  First download the alternate CD just in case.
[01:00] <Flannel> lmiller: Or at least, download the Gutsy CD, so if hardy goes south, you can reinstall that.
[01:00] <lmiller> No CD
[01:00] <RAOF> Remember to make note of, and file the bugs that you find!
[01:01] <Flannel> lmiller: Well, download the ISO at least, so you can burn a CD later.  You should always keep a recent CD (live is good if it works with your system) on hand anyway
[01:01] <lmiller> No CD device in the laptop
[01:01] <lmiller> lol
[01:02] <Flannel> USB?
[01:02] <lmiller> It has USB but can't boot from USB
[01:02] <lmiller> It's oldish and ultaportable
[01:02] <Flannel> Well, anyway.  I'd definately do the hardy thing.  Since, Dapper to Edgy to Feisty to Gutsy is crappy.
[01:02] <RAOF> I think the alternate CD has some instructions about setting it up for netboot/netinstall :)
[01:03] <RAOF> For an absolute last-ditch backup plan.
[01:03] <Flannel> !install
[01:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[01:03] <lmiller> RAOF: It can't net boot
[01:03] <Flannel> First link has lots of creative methods
[01:04] <lmiller> Hmm, iso from within linux might be a very good idea
[01:05] <RAOF> lmiller: Man.  How did you install Ubuntu on there in the first place! :)
[01:09] <lmiller> RAOF: I took the HDD out of the laptop and put it in my desktop. That was a long time ago and it wasn't a pleasant experience
[01:09] <lmiller> and only partially successful
[01:10] <lmiller> I think it installed a lot of stuff for the desktop machine!
[01:17] <MFen> firefox 3 is broken in several crucial ways.. is there any way to go back to firefox 2?
[01:17] <Arwen> gah, cksfv is gone
[01:17] <Arwen> how am I supposed to calculate CRC32s now
[01:17] <Arwen> ?
[01:20] <Artimus> Arwen: See if cfv is installable.  I didn't like it, but it worked...
[01:23] <Arwen> cfv doesn't make any sense to me...
[01:23] <Arwen> how do I actually calculate a sum?
[01:24] <Arwen> ok, time to add cksfv to my list of software that needs to be built..
[01:25] <Artimus> Arwen: I compiled bsdsfv.  It's only got one source file, it was rather nice.
[01:25] <Arwen> oh? hmm
[01:31] <Artimus> "gcc -o bsdsfv bsdsfv.c"
[01:31] <Artimus> I've been meaning to write a man page for it and then try to get it into Ubuntu
[01:32] <Arwen> wtf, it only scans rars by default?
[01:32] <Arwen> and... it can't print CRCs to stdout?
[01:32] <Artimus> Is this cfv you're looking at?
[01:33] <Arwen> bsdsfv
[01:35] <Artimus> ahh, yeah...
[01:35] <Artimus> I only really verify things
[01:35] <Artimus> I use md5sum's for personal use
[01:37] <Arwen> hmm... VLC can't find firefox-dev
[01:37] <Arwen> that's disturbing
[01:38] <Arwen> and sudo'd apps don't preserve KDE styling...
[01:40] <PriceChild> kdesu....
[01:40] <Arwen> yes, I know that....
[01:40] <Arwen> shorthand....
[01:41] <Arwen> and yeah, VLC's build deps are b0rk3d. Where did the firefox devel headers go?
[01:44] <Flannel> Arwen: use kdesu for graphical apps, and, they'd use the root user's styles.
[01:44] <Andre_Gondim> is there some tip to use bash completation at hardy?
[01:45] <Arwen> Flannel, I tried setting the styles as root but that doesn't do anything either
[01:45] <Flannel> Arwen: make sure you use kdesu for both setting styles, and starthing the apps
[01:45] <Flannel> Arwen: (or gksu if you've got gnome as well)
[01:45] <Arwen> I did
[01:45] <Arwen> it doesn't do anything
[01:46] <Arwen> e.g. kdesu synaptic looks scary ugly
[01:46] <Arwen> but what concerns me more is... FIREFOX IS MISSING
[01:47] <Flannel> synaptic will use your gnome styles
[01:47] <AtomicSpark> D:
[01:47] <Arwen> Flannel, I know, I set the gnome style to QT emulation
[01:47] <Arwen> more importantly... where is firefox??
[01:48] <Flannel> Arwen: firefox 3 is in the repos.  http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/firefox-3.0 with a metapackage of "firefox" as well
[01:48] <Arwen> Flannel, yes, I know that. Where are my dev headers?
[01:48] <Arwen> firefox-3.0-dev has NO FILES
[01:48] <Arwen> same with firefox-dev
[01:49] <Flannel> Ah, you're right.  File a bug report
[01:49] <Arwen> I need the files now :-(
[01:49]  * Arwen wonders how whoever VLC's maintainer is managed to build the plugin without said files...
[01:49] <Flannel> source package?
[01:49] <Andre_Gondim> Does anyone have problem with bash completation, is there fix?
[01:49] <jexmex> I am running gusty but just installed the 2.6.24-8 kernal
[01:50] <jexmex> I cannot boot up into 2.6.24-8 but I can 2.6.24-14
[01:50] <Arwen> Flannel, source package is firefox
[01:50] <RAOF> jexmex: The 2.6.24-8 kernel is not supported on Gutsy.  Don't be surprised if it breaks (as it seems to have done for you) :)
[01:51] <jexmex> heh
[01:51] <jexmex> I am thinking its a video problem
[01:51] <jexmex> but not really sure where I should start debugging
[01:51] <Flannel> Arwen: Installing the source package (apt-get source firefox-3.0) should install the headers as well, yes? (not the headers package, but the headers proper)
[01:51] <jexmex> I am updating the kernel to try to fix a problem with wireless dropping
[01:51] <Arwen> then I'd get a tarball of em without knowing where to put em, Flannel
[01:52] <Flannel> Arwen: You don't need to put them any partiular place, if you tell the compiler to include that path in the includes.
[01:52] <Arwen> I'd have to edit debian/rules
[01:52] <Arwen> don't wanna have that end up in the final package..
[01:52] <Flannel> For what?
[01:53] <Arwen> does that really matter?
[01:53] <Flannel> You're compiling another package that you need the firefox headers for?
[01:53] <Arwen> yeah
[01:54] <Flannel> Alright, well, like I said, file a bug report, and apparently you can't do much else except wait
[01:54] <Arwen> bah, time to go fix the package myself...
[01:54] <Flannel> #ubuntu-mozillateam may be able to provide more assistance
[03:30] <sayers> Is kubuntu+1 pumping out kde4 yet?
[03:31] <sayers> by defualt DE?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> there is a cd in the works
[03:38] <lmiller> How do I enable the hardy-proposed  on my dapper machine, just add it to sources.list or is there a preferred way?
[03:40] <nemil2k5> only adding it to the sources.list is the only way
[03:40] <lmiller> k
[03:40] <lmiller> thanks
[03:46] <Hobbsee> lmiller: hardy-proposed has nothing in it.
[03:46] <RAOF> lmiller: I think you're wanting dapper-proposed, right?  To test the upgrade to hardy?
[03:47] <lmiller> uh
[03:48] <lmiller> I thought hardy-proposed would contain the dist for hardy
[03:48] <lmiller> so what's in dapper-proposed?
[03:48] <Wasserstoff> see the topic
[03:48] <Wasserstoff> it explains how to update LTS->LTS
[03:51] <lmiller> except in the thread associated with the guide someone says "I wasted way too much time trying to enable dapper-proposed (not necessary, repository is not in sources.list, and I couldn't find the URL documented anywhere ... untrue, unnecessary..."
[03:52] <Hobbsee> meh, forums.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ubuntu+dapper+proposed&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[03:53]  * Hobbsee suggests urls 2,3,4,7, and more.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> but forums people are terrible at searching, it appears.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> dapper proposed is *very* hard to find
[03:54] <RAOF> lmiller: "hardy-proposed" is for packages that need testing before being moved to hardy-updates.  Since everyone is already testing everything in hardy, hardy-proposed is empty (as is hardy-updates), and will be until after Hardy is released.
[03:54] <RAOF> lmiller: dapper-proposed is for packages that need testing before being moved to dapper-updates.  Since Dapper has been released, dapper-proposed & dapper-updates are non-empty :)
[03:56] <RAOF> In hardy, at least, there's a nice checkbox in software-sources-gtk to enable hardy-updates & hardy-proposed.  It's been too long since I've touched a dapper system for me to comment on the Dapper experience :)
[03:56] <lmiller> ahh
[03:56] <lmiller> well, it's all whirring away now
[03:56] <lmiller> should take my little laptop 12-16 hours to handle it all
[03:56] <lmiller> hope it doesn't run out of HDD
[04:12] <Centaur5> If /lib/modules/2.6.24-8-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko exists but modprobe iwl3945 says it can't find it what do I do?
[04:14] <DanaG> sudo depmod -a
[04:14] <DanaG> That updates module paths and dependencies.
[04:15] <Centaur5> does that require a reboot afterwards?
[04:17] <DanaG> Nope.
[04:17] <DanaG> You can try modprobe (or with -v for verbose) again afterwards.
[04:18] <Centaur5> very odd, still doesn't find it.
[04:23] <Centaur5> possible bug?
[04:23] <DanaG> Beats me.
[04:24] <Centaur5> Perhaps I'll wait for the next kernel update before filing a bug report.
[04:25] <lmiller> "could not calculate the upgrade"
[04:28] <DanaG> oh, modinfo iwl3945
[04:28] <RAOF> lmiller: That's awkward
[04:28] <DanaG> /lib/modules/2.6.24-8-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko
[04:29] <RAOF> lmiller: This should be bugfiling time.  Of course, if your current install is kinda broken that makes it more difficult for the upgrade process to work.-
[04:29] <dareii> anybody know if i install "kubuntu-desktop from the hardy repos is it 4.0 or still 3.5.8
[04:29] <lmiller> RAOF: My current install is just fine thankyou very much. Just what are you implying?!?
[04:29] <lmiller> :)
[04:30] <RAOF> Ah, tone.  Not easily conveyed over IRC :)
[04:30] <lmiller> I disabled the dapper repositories when I enabled dapper-proposed. In hindsight I don't think I should've done that.
[04:31] <Centaur5> DanaG: modinfo just says it doesn't exist either
[04:31] <RAOF> lmiller: Yup.  dapper-proposed builds upon dapper.  You generally can't install stuff from dapper-proposed without having daper enabled.
[04:32] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:32] <Centaur5> DanaG: That's exactly what I thought, ipw3945 exists as well and I have the exact same issue.
[04:33] <DanaG> Might permissions be screwed up?
[04:33] <RAOF> dareii: You get 4.0, I believe.  Failing that, installing "kde4" will defititely get you 4.0 :)
[04:34] <Centaur5> DanaG: root owns that module, should that be otherwise?
[04:34] <dareii> personal opinion: 4.0 not as good as 3.5.8
[04:34] <RAOF> dareii: Certainly not as usable, yes.
[04:35] <DanaG> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 106148 2008-02-14 17:18 /lib/modules/2.6.24-8-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko
[04:35] <dareii> it looks good but not as customizable
[04:36] <lmiller> alright, I'll let you know how it went tomorrow!
[04:36] <Centaur5> DanaG: Yep, that's exactly how it is, even the time is almost the same.  :)
[04:36] <dareii> i hate to mess up a good gnome install by install kde-guess i'll just leave it alone
[04:36] <RAOF> Heh.  That's a *good* thing in my book; KDE tends to have so much customisation that it obscures the useful options.
[04:37] <DanaG> Yeah, but now all the useful panel apps no longer exist.
[04:37] <RAOF> dareii: I've installed & removed kde4 with (practiacally) no ill effects :)
[04:37] <DanaG> One thing that keeps me with Gnome: all the panel applets are big and bulky.
[04:37] <DanaG> I'd want the Gnome panel applets in KDE, essentially.
[04:37] <RAOF> dareii: My laptop is somewhat knackered at this point, but I don't think that's KDE4's fault.
[04:37] <dareii> hardy's working perfect for me (acer aspire)
[04:39] <dareii> sometimes when i restart my gnome panel applets are moved even if i have them all locked
[04:39] <DanaG> I don't lock them, for exactly that reason -- it just makes them harder to unlock.
[04:40] <DanaG> Oh, and what do you do if your panel gets dragged to the side accidentally, and there's no room to grab the bar anymore?
[04:40] <dareii> kde has option to lock all panel at one time
[04:41] <AtomicSpark> 2 moar months. :D
[04:42] <DanaG> Too late to get in Fedora's time-changing wallpaper.  Dangit.
[04:43] <DanaG> Have you seen Fedora 8?  Try booting the LiveCD in a VM, or on a real PC, and then once in a while, look at the wallpaper.
[04:43] <dareii> i just did an update - i'll reboot and see if eveything's working. for some reason my battery monitor quit working right
[04:43] <Centaur5> dareii: Mine doesn't work either.
[04:43] <RAOF> dareii: Known problem with hal.
[04:44] <chris___1> hi, I just installed hardy and now kdm starts up fine but when I put in my password and hit enter it goes to the kde loading screen then X restarts back to the login screen
[04:44] <Centaur5> RAOF: Good to know, I won't file it then.  :)
[04:44] <chris___1> any ideas?
[04:44] <RAOF> Cue DanaG's "I always read the changelogs before updating" :)
[04:44] <dareii> RAOF: thanks for the info!
[04:44] <DanaG> It's also good to follow links to bug reports.
[04:44] <dareii> it started after an update few days ago
[04:45] <Centaur5> Could anybody tell me if ebox is going to be working well in Hardy?
[04:45] <RAOF> Centaur5: Dunno.  Does it work well *now*?
[04:45] <burner> i think ebox stuff was postponed for hardy+1
[04:46] <chris___1> guys, I need some help here, I'm stuck on the command line. anybody else having kde startup problems?
[04:46] <burner> chris___1: use gdm :)
[04:46] <Kuni> burner: intrepid?
[04:46] <Centaur5> RAOF: I tried to use it when Gutsy first came out and it was broken. Soren posted a blog saying that he wasn't able to make good enough progress. I can't find any update on whether it will be ready for Hardy.
[04:46] <RAOF> Centaur5: Right.  I obviously don't know what ebox actually *is*, this is just my standard response :)
[04:46] <chris___1> burner: it's not kdm that is the problem. i'm downloading gnome now...
[04:47] <chris___1> burner: I get weird xsession errors too
[04:47] <burner> ebox is a glorified webmin application for servers
[04:47] <Centaur5> burner: Good to know about ebox, slight disappointment but I guess I'll keep waiting.
[04:47] <RAOF> chris___1: It sounds like something is killing X as you start up, right?  KDE4?  Using the funky effects?
[04:47] <RAOF> chris___1: Of course, pastebinning the errors is a good start :)
[04:47] <chris___1> RAOF: nope, kde 3.5. It default install of kubuntu hardy.
[04:47] <burner> the real question is, how the hell did thunar take over as default file manager?  I want nautilus to open when I click "places -> home" not thunar!  anyone have ideas?
[04:48] <chris___1> RAOF: I get this weird xsession_error about "
[04:48] <RAOF> chris___1: Pastebin .xsession-errors.
[04:48] <RAOF> chris___1: (1) It avoids annoying the channel at large, and (2) it's likely to provide useful context.
[04:48] <chris___1> definition of pluralform is none of noplural/twoforms/then a bunch of language sounding stuff here.
[04:49] <chris___1> I can't pastebin unles syou can tell me how to do it from the command line.
[04:49] <chris___1> next line is kdeinit:communication error with launcher. Exiting!
[04:50] <RAOF> chris___1: aptitude install pastebinit :)
[04:50] <chris___1> heh. nifty.
[04:51] <chris___1> http://pastebin.com/f4a025da6
[04:52] <chris___1> hopefully that worked.
[04:52] <RAOF> Yup.  Checking it now.
[04:53] <RAOF> So, while that worked, it doesn't really contain anything that tells me what's wrong, sorry :(
[04:53] <chris___1> what else should I pastebin?
[04:53] <RAOF> Uuuuuuum.  I don't know.
[04:56] <chris___1> xorg.0.log?
[04:56] <RAOF> Maybe.
[04:56] <RAOF> Go for it.
[04:57] <chris___1> http://pastebin.com/f6a09a5be
[04:57] <RAOF> Nothing seems amiss there.
[04:57] <chris___1> ok heres /var/log/kdm.log
[04:58] <chris___1> http://pastebin.com/f1373f677
[04:59] <chris___1> and here's syslog:
[04:59] <chris___1> http://pastebin.com/f6e2977c6
[04:59] <RAOF> That's not very interesting...
[05:00] <RAOF> Hm... Maybe the console-kit problem is interesting there, but I've got no idea how to fix it/diagnose further.
[05:00] <unique_> On Hardy alpha 5 is anyone else having probs where the desktop icons are missing and you can't right click on  the desktop?
[05:00] <RAOF> I'd suggest filing a bug, and attaching all of these files to it.
[05:01] <bazhang> unique_: with desktop effects enabled yes
[05:01] <Hobbsee> alpha 5 is old, anyway
[05:01] <unique_> with or without
[05:01] <unique_> it's alpha 5 with all the updates
[05:01] <bazhang> unique_: I disabled them completely and the problem went away
[05:01] <unique_> disabled compiz?
[05:01] <bazhang> yesh
[05:01] <unique_> tryed it
[05:01] <unique_> still no go
[05:02] <chris___1> RAOF: how do I file a bug from the command line? fileabugit?;)
[05:02] <bazhang> plus I added all the updates and all the restricted extras/kernel restricted modules
[05:02] <bazhang> runs fine now ;]
[05:02] <RAOF> chris___1: Um.  You *can* open bugs via email, if you've got mutt or somesuch.
[05:02] <unique_> something weird is that if i hit Alt F2 and type gksudo nautilus my wallpaper changes to the root default wallpaper and i get the icons back but for the root account not my normal user
[05:03] <burner> run "gksudo nautilus --no-desktop"
[05:03] <bazhang> is it still gksudo? thought it had changed to gksu
[05:03] <chris___1> then I would have to figure out how to use mutt... I'll just wing it and hope gnome works.
[05:04] <bazhang> unique_: do you normally run as super user?
[05:04] <unique_> nope
[05:04] <bazhang> hmm
[05:04] <unique_> as the user i created durring install
[05:04] <chris___1> one last question, do you know where the real xorg.conf file is? the on at /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't have half the stuff I would expect in there.
[05:05] <bazhang> have to wait for someone smart to comment then ;]
[05:05] <Hydrogen> that is the real file.
[05:14] <DanaG> Heh:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Feta_Kuti_without_blood
[05:14] <DanaG> Somebody should comment on that.
[05:15] <bazhang> I like the scary one better ;]
[05:16] <DanaG> Perhaps the red just needs to have its shape changed a bit.
[05:16] <DanaG> Like, make it look like a real bird's coloration, not like an "omg bloody" look.
[05:17] <bazhang> true good point
[05:17] <bazhang> either is better than the brown of old though
[05:18] <DanaG> Just needs a GDM theme.
[05:28] <nekostar> !war
[05:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about war - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <DanaG> !peace
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about peace - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:35] <DanaG> !/dev/null
[05:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dev/null - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <edsimon> good morning
[05:52] <jamalf> Hi, I'm having a problem with a copy of Alpha 5 that I just installed. Its telling me to get the broadcom firmware from this url in an error in dmesg. When I try to follow the instructions from the link it gives me (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware) the make fails with a ton of errors
[05:52] <jamalf> I have to do this in failsafe terminal too. When I boot to the normal one it just goes black right after loading the gnome panels and goes back to the login screen.
[05:58] <jamalf> Oh nevermind, its probably because I haven't installed the build tools
[06:04] <jamalf> well, the firmware issue was totally unrelated to it logging out right after it logs in
[06:08] <edsimon> is this os as fast as xppro?
[06:10] <edsimon> hello and thanks for lettiing me in on the chat session!
[06:18] <Laser87> Hi!
[06:19] <jamalf> I just finished installing Hardy Heron, but when I try to login, it starts loading all the way to the gnome panels loading, the screen then goes black and I'm taken back to the black screen. How could I debug this issue? I've been trying to look in different logs but can't find anything. Thanks in advanced.
[06:20] <jyro215> since the changes in nautilus, where does trash go when you delete something as Root?
[06:28] <bazhang> edsimon faster
[06:44] <jamalf> Would compiz try to start by default when you login?
[06:47] <Laser87> Compiz no, Beryl yes, CompizFusion ?
[06:47] <jamalf> I would assume compiz-fusion
[06:48] <jamalf> beryl isn't even installed... compiz is what is installed by default
[06:50] <Laser87> Sry, the hardware on which I have HardyHeron doesn't support 3D - so I don't know
[06:50] <jamalf> ohh alright
[06:51] <jamalf> well, i don't think mine even does currently  :\... i'm just trying to figure out why it would log me out while its logging in
[06:51] <jamalf> oh... well nevermind
[06:52] <jamalf> after i did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it works
[06:52] <jamalf> there must have been something wrong on my xorg.conf :)
[06:52] <P2502> cpu load 80% when moving windows with compiz disabled, and 3% with compiz enabled. so actually X uses software rendering with compiz disabled
[06:52] <P2502> strange
[06:52] <P2502> !
[06:53] <savvas> when i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it got to the keyboard and didn't go further to select a video driver etc
[06:58] <P2502> but system monitor ignoring all rules, causing spikes up to 80% even with compiz enabled, mmm
[06:59] <DanaG> Gnome System Monitor sucks -- it doesn't even scroll smoothly on the graphs.
[06:59] <DanaG> For me, it goes slideLURCH slideLURCH slideLURCH slideLURCH slideLURCH slideLURCH
[07:00] <P2502> new gnome system monitor is disaster
[07:03] <P2502> sliding windows from/to minimize state 40% cpu load with compiz enabled, so parts of compiz still uses software rendering?
[07:07] <P2502> isnt nv driver supposed to use "accelerated" rendering for 2D?
[07:08] <P2502> i tested it too
[07:08] <jianfei> whats a really good desktop sidebar for hardy?
[07:08] <DanaG> slideLURCH
[07:08] <DanaG> heh, felt like being random.
[07:09] <DanaG> slideLURCH
[07:09] <jianfei> looks cool?
[07:16] <tekoholic> Anyone here got any hints for me, on connecting my bt headset (sco) to pulseaudio under Hardy?
[07:16] <DanaG> Oh, you have to manually load the alsa-sink module for that device.
[07:16] <DanaG> It's too detailed to describe that here, though.
[07:17] <tekoholic> Where might I find this info?
[07:18] <DanaG> https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2007-September/000731.html
[07:19] <DanaG> do aplay -L to find the list of devices.
[07:20] <DanaG> You can use CARD=Whatever to not have to worry about the index of the snd-bt-sco device.
[07:20] <tekoholic> DanaG, Thanx much.  I've been looking for this info for MONTHS!!
[07:21] <DanaG> replace hw:0 with hw:CARD=Headset (or whatever)
[07:22] <jianfei> DanaG: do you have a URL for a desktop sidebar I cant find
[07:22] <ethana2> Did any of you see this? --  http://improveverywhere.com/2008/02/25/mobile-desktop/
[07:22] <ethana2> I'm already getting ideas to spread Ubuntu...
[07:22] <ethana2> How hard would it be for the average LoCo group to raise $200?
[07:26] <Myrth[home]> hi, since upgrade to 8.04 all my java apps give this error: http://paste2.org/p/14365
[07:26] <Myrth[home]> any ideas?
[07:28] <DanaG> Ooh, new thing about bluetooth:   http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices
[07:36] <DanaG> tekoholic: ping:  "Ooh, new thing about bluetooth:   http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices "
[07:39] <tekoholic> DanaG, I've seen that one, and followed it repeatedly, to no avail.  Thank you, none the less, for your help, and I'll try it again, in conjunction with your first hints!!
[07:39] <DanaG> It actually may need bluez-alsa, though.
[07:39] <DanaG> And check out the gnome-bluetooth applet; there
[07:39] <DanaG> there's a checkbox for "audio service"
[07:41] <DanaG> How do I get tracker to stop popping up the godforsaken "merging indexes" thingy?
[07:42] <DanaG> again popped up.
[07:43] <perdente> hey, I'm trying to run ./configure for gvfs but I came across this error, what should I do? checking for GLIB... configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.15.6 gthread-2.0 gobject-2.0 gmodule-no-export-2.0 gio-unix-2.0 gio-2.0) were not met:
[07:44] <DanaG> again popped up.
[07:44] <DanaG> I'm going to say that every time the Tracker thingy pops up.
[07:45] <DanaG> again popped up.
[07:45] <DanaG> again popped up.
[07:46] <DanaG> Again.
[07:46] <nekostar> o:
[07:46] <DanaG> Again.
[07:46] <nekostar> any limit to % of max ram one can make into ramdisk?
[07:46] <DanaG> Again.
[07:46] <DanaG> Again.
[07:46] <credible> DanaG: that's quite enough.
[07:46] <nekostar> was wondering if i got 8GB if i could make a 4GB ramdisk
[07:47] <perdente> heh, I get it, that way, your as annoying as the tracker you're upset at ^_^
[07:47] <credible> perdente: I'm sure hardy will have that update soon
[07:48] <DanaG> But I am done now... I've made my point/
[07:48] <ethana2> do we have a real-time ideapool equivalent IRC channel?
[07:49] <perdente> credible, you think so? sweet, cuz I love having the ability to connect to servers by default
[07:49] <credible> perdente: if ubotu is up to date, hardy's glib is too old (by one micro version)
[07:49] <credible> and building that yourself would be pretty crazy
[07:49] <credible> hardy is still alpha ;)
[07:49] <Assid> any chance you you guys know how cram-md5 and auth login works ?
[07:50] <nekostar> any limit to % of max ram one can make into ramdisk? was wondering if i got 8GB if i could make a 4GB ramdisk?
[07:51] <perdente> credible, yeah, you're probably right, its just that I was working on a  website and I stopped working on it for a little while so I was a little behind and then when I came back I had to use the terminal to work on it which is fine, but I like the ease of nautilus and gedit better :)
[07:53] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker/+bug/194743
[07:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194743 in tracker "tracker-applet icon constantly animates even when idle" [Undecided,New]
[07:54] <perdente> credible, how long about do you think it will be?
[07:54] <perdente> sorry, not to be annoying
[07:54] <credible> perdente: absolutely no idea, sorry :)
[07:54] <credible> I'd say that gvfs updates are probably a priority since they need tons of testing
[07:55] <perdente> credible, oh no, that's cool, I'm just seeing if I should look for an alternative, I want something that lets me edit files remotely without having to download them to my comp first
[08:53] <DanaG> Argh, load cycle count seems to increase about 1.3 per minute.
[08:53] <DanaG> Lovely.
[08:57] <TheFuzzball> hello, I just upgraded from Kubuntu Gutsy to Kubuntu Hardy and rebooted, when it reloaded Kubuntu instead of KDM to greet me I get a strange bright plasma gradually turning white, I have tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but nothing helps, can anyone help me?
[08:58] <TheFuzzball> I am using the Intel driver btw
[08:58] <Assid> DanaG:  kill -9 1 ?
[08:59] <DanaG> Umm, kill init?  I don't think so.
[08:59] <DanaG> I'm betting that was a joke.
[08:59] <Assid> i wonder if anyones actually tried that
[09:02] <Mohero|Work> *yawn* morning all
[09:02] <Amaranth> DanaG: kernel won't let you
[09:04] <Mohero|Work> careful with jokes, I told someone to "sudo rm -rfd /" ... didn't realise they'd actually do it...
[09:05] <Assid> hrmm
[09:05] <Assid> waddup Amaranth
[09:05] <Mohero|Work> things that were in memory continued to work, other apps that they started up just sort-of died slowly...
[09:05] <DanaG> You know, that's malicious.
[09:05] <Mohero|Work> yeah
[09:05] <Amaranth_> holy sudden X crash batman
[09:06] <Amaranth> DanaG: What is?
[09:06] <DanaG> (01:04:56 AM) Mohero|Work: careful with jokes, I told someone to "sudo rm -rfd /" ... didn't realise they'd actually do it...
[09:06] <DanaG> (01:05:26 AM) Mohero|Work: things that were in memory continued to work, other apps that they started up just sort-of died slowly...
[09:06] <DanaG> (01:05:29 AM) DanaG: You know, that's malicious.
[09:06] <DanaG> (01:05:41 AM) Mohero|Work: yeah
[09:07] <Amaranth> ha
[09:07] <Amaranth> thought you meant kill -9 1
[09:07] <Amaranth> which doesn't actually work
[09:07] <DanaG> -d isn't even valid.
[09:07] <DanaG> For rm, I mean.
[09:07] <Mohero|Work> I know, and yet - I still use it, and it still doesn't complain
[09:07] <Mohero|Work> it's habbit...
[09:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and looks like my Hitachi drive leaves less to worry about than some other drives, as shown by the whitepapers linked here:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695
[09:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 59695 in acpi-support "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Critical,Confirmed]
[09:09] <DanaG> Link to Hitachi whitepaper is at the bottom.
[09:09] <Mohero|Work> heh
[09:10] <simion314> where the screen resolution is saved? the resolution for my user. it is not corectly saved and after a log in i must set it again
[09:10] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I set journal commit interval to 15 minutes.... but then realized that was making me lose even SAVED changes if I had a sudden crash before a commit.
[09:10] <Mohero|Work> the read/write cycles is what worries me with SSD's i've heard of people having issues with some of the Asus Eee's - everyone that seems to of had the issue installed Windows XP on it.....
[09:10] <Mohero|Work> ....serves them selves right...
[09:10]  * DanaG doesn't want an Eeee.
[09:10] <DanaG> I could actually get better battery life with some HP business or even consumer notebooks.
[09:11] <Mohero|Work> yeah I know, but they're not as small/light
[09:11] <DanaG> Celeron in a mini-laptop?  Can you say.... no speedstep
[09:11] <Mohero|Work> I get 8 hours on my laptop...
[09:11] <DanaG> And How about 1024x640, not 800x480.
[09:11] <Mohero|Work> yeah, I know.
[09:12] <DanaG> heh:       Heh:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Feta_Kuti_without_blood
[09:12] <Mohero|Work> you not seen that one DanaG?
[09:12] <Assid> my laptop's brightness levels still goes up and down
[09:12] <Assid> any suggestion
[09:13] <Mohero|Work> Assid: mine did that too 1 sec.
[09:13] <DanaG> bug 121833
[09:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[09:14] <TheFuzzball> I can't get Xorg to work after upgrading from Gutsy, anyone know how to fix this?
[09:15] <DanaG> I personally like this idea, too:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Platypus
[09:15] <Assid> i keep reducing mine.. and it goes to full
[09:16] <DanaG> Some of these wallpapers are also cool color ideas:  http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/
[09:16] <Assid> Mohero|Work: so it iwll be fixed automatically in next update?
[09:18] <Assid> err i really should get back to work
[09:20] <Assid> will look into brightness issue when i get back on the laptop
[09:21] <Mohero|Work> Assid: don't know - have you unchecked "Dim display when idle" in the Power Management Preferences?
[09:22] <Assid> err i didnt do anything
[09:22] <MolePrince> Howdy, when I try to install finch with aptitude for Hardy Heron, it tries to pull down the entire X11 install as well.. what am I doing wrong, please?
[09:22] <Assid> it just happened when i moved from gutsy hardy
[09:22] <Mohero|Work> when that's checked it seem to not know what "idle" means, and goes up and down like a yoyo
[09:22] <Assid> mine mostly goes up
[09:22] <Assid> lol
[09:22] <Mohero|Work> Assid: ok, uncheck that box, and see how you get on, it seems to be a timer issue with the power management profile
[09:23] <Assid> hrmm ok
[09:23] <Assid> i get back on my laptop 10 hours from now
[09:23] <DanaG> Disk also doesn't idle well.
[09:23] <Assid> yeah
[09:23] <DanaG> It goes  click................. click...................... click...........................
[09:23] <Assid> my single core laptop just slows down like crazy
[09:24] <DanaG> I say, stay idle or stay not-idle!
[09:24] <Assid> i think i might have to move that back to windows
[09:24] <DanaG> Hmm, dig around in gconf to enable the UI for cpufreq in gnome-power-manager.
[09:24]  * DanaG wonders how ATI's drivers (closed OR open) will be by summer.
[09:24] <Assid> err. wont be able to remember
[09:25] <Assid> since 2 days i got alot on my plate
[09:25] <Assid> i better finish this and move on
[09:25] <MolePrince> Any ideas please?  I'd like to try finch out, but not if it means having to install X.
[09:25] <Assid> you gonna be around 10-11 hours from now
[09:26] <skwashd> hi all
[09:26] <DanaG> I'm not sure.  Write a sticky note: gconf-editor, apps/gnome-power-manager    -- somewhere there'll be "cpufreq ui"
[09:26] <skwashd> i am running hardy ... and had to clear ~/ to solve some issues as part of the upgrade
[09:26] <skwashd> how do i set my charset again?
[09:27] <Assid> emailed myself
[09:27] <DanaG> Yay, new nautilus!
[09:28] <DanaG> aptitude changelog nautilus. Read and rejoice.
[09:29] <Mohero|Work> Assid I'm insulted by that word.... Windows....
[09:29] <Mohero|Work> pff:P
[09:30] <Mohero|Work> My laptop is a P3 1GHz with a poor 256MB memory - that's running Hardy no problems what so ever :D
[09:30] <Mohero|Work> well, no problems with the hardware running it is what I mean:)
[09:30] <Assid> err.. i cant afford hard drive and screens blowing up on me
[09:31] <Mohero|Work> well, it's Alpha software :)
[09:31]  * DanaG wonders what a P2 266 with 192MB of RAM can be used for.
[09:31] <DanaG> Anything?
[09:31] <Mohero|Work> DanaG - Lots of things :)
[09:31] <henkjan> DanaG: fluxbuntu?
[09:31] <Mohero|Work> my mum runs a P2 233 with 192MB memory on 7.10 :)
[09:31] <Mohero|Work> she runs full Ubuntu too
[09:31] <DanaG> It's an old laptop that has, surprisingly, a still-working battery.
[09:32] <dencrypt> Impressive :)
[09:32] <DanaG> BUT.... the hard drive is one of those really whiny earsplitting ones.
[09:32] <Mohero|Work> [I really dislike M$ - my mum knows no different]
[09:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, what brand is that lap?
[09:32] <DanaG> At least, I think,...... it has battery.  I haven't used it in a while, though.
[09:32] <DanaG> Dell Inspiron 3500.
[09:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sweet
[09:32] <Mohero|Work> DanaG yeah, I know what you mean, Mine in the p3 was, so I pinched the drive out of my old over heating P4
[09:32] <Assid> gutsy gave me good battery life i think
[09:32] <Assid> hardy well.. not soo much
[09:33] <Assid> atleast alpha4 was decent in battery life
[09:33] <DanaG> Viva la Neomagic with Two Point Five megabytes of video RAM --- not even enough for 32-bit color.  The LCD itself was 16-bit.
[09:33] <Mohero|Work> the P3 lasts about 8 hours on battery - with light usage (so vi and irssi)
[09:33] <tapas> i can run
[09:33] <Assid> and i do mean alpha4 the iso's  not after the updates
[09:33] <tapas> exec ssh-agent sh -c 'ssh-add < /dev/null && exec bash'
[09:33] <savvas> Assid: they're still building and fixing up powernowd, so I'd expect changes to battery life
[09:33] <tapas> from a terminal fine. it  asks for my passphrase and in the shell i can afterweards successfully log into other machines without giving my passphrase again
[09:33] <tapas> now, when i put this into my .xinitirc or .xsession:
[09:34] <tapas> exec ssh-agent sh -c 'ssh-add < /dev/null && exec $WINDOWMANAGER'
[09:34] <DanaG> 8 hours?  Sweet.
[09:34] <Assid> and cpu usage is bad.. i mean real bad
[09:34] <tapas> it doesn't work... doesn't ask me for passphrase nor does p[hraseless ssh'ing work..
[09:34] <tapas> is .xinitrc or .xsession not evaluated?
[09:34] <Assid> machine behaves slower than it did on windows
[09:34] <DanaG> You need keys for ssh.
[09:34] <Assid> i couldnt even think of developing and multi tasking on that
[09:34] <tapas> yes, like i said, i have successfully created a key pair and it works when i start ssh-agent manually
[09:35] <DanaG> Best use for it: thin client.
[09:35] <DanaG> By "It", I mean a really-old PC.
[09:35] <DanaG> Take a look at HP's thin-clients; some could actually be mini-PCs even without a server.
[09:36] <DanaG> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/sm/thinclients/WF02d/12454-12454-321959.html?jumpid=re_R295_prodexp/busproduct/computing/thinclients&psn=desktops_workstations/desktop_pcs
[09:36] <DanaG> They even have MOBILE thin clients, oddly enough.
[09:37] <savvas> hm..
[09:37] <DanaG> You know, you'd think one of these days Intel would do people a favor and re-enable SpeedStep on Celerons.... but nope!
[09:37] <savvas> unmounting devices is buggy after the updates
[09:41] <Mohero|Work> DanaG: it's 2 batteries ;) but still impressive, as one of them gives 6 the other 2 hours of usage
[09:43] <DanaG> dagblasted key stuckage, again.
[09:43] <DanaG> A quick way to partly unbreak: hold the key that's "stuck", and scroll wildly.
[09:45] <DanaG> Anyway, bedtime for me.
[09:52] <skwashd> export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
[09:53] <coz_> is java by chance working in hardy yet?
[09:53] <coz_> sun java
[09:54] <dencrypt> wow. He waited a WHOLE minute
[09:54] <bazhang> haha
[09:54] <Mohero|Work> well, some people don't realise that people in here are working aswell :)
[09:56] <Mohero|Work> ooo yay! my Billware(TM) Keyboard is working
[09:56] <Mohero|Work> now I can get rid of windows and get on with somehting else :)
[09:58] <Mohero|Work> I've noticed that I never used to be bias against MS. but recently it's becoming a bit of a problem....
[09:58] <Mohero|Work> especially as I have to use both for work..
[10:04] <MolePrince> Howdy, when I try to install finch with aptitude for Hardy Heron, it tries to pull down the entire X11 install as well.. what am I doing wrong, please?
[10:08] <Mohero|Work> MolePrince: I'm not sure what finch is, but are you installing it onto a pre-hardy system from the hardy repos?
[10:08] <RAOF> MolePrince: Because finch, as we've built it, has sound support provided by gstreamer, and this has probably pulled in X11 deps.
[10:08] <RAOF> MolePrince: Feel free to file a bug if you want a really console-only finch.
[10:09] <MolePrince> RAOF: What would be the point of having a console version of finch require X??
[10:09] <MolePrince> Doesn't that kind of defeat the entire purpose of having a cli version.
[10:09] <RAOF> MolePrince: Because almost everyone has X installed anyway.
[10:09] <RAOF> CLI != no X deps :)
[10:10] <MolePrince> I haven't used X on a Linux machine in years :/
[10:10] <RAOF> Then you're not using it correctly :P
[10:10] <RAOF> Anyway, file a bug.  It's entirely possible that no one else has _noticed_ the X deps.
[10:10] <MolePrince> RAOF: Is there no way to just say don't use sound?
[10:11] <RAOF> Well, yes.  But that'd be a build-time option.
[10:11] <RAOF> File a bug, seriously.  It's probable that no one else has noticed, and without a bug no one with the power to fix it will ever notice :)
[10:12]  * heret1c awakes
[10:12]  * heret1c tips hat at raof
[10:14] <heret1c> RAOF: read ye http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#combined - and keep the little DMA issue in mind?
[10:21] <Mohero|Work> heret1c - you sleep in your hat...?
[10:22] <MolePrince> RAOF: How does this look? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/195718
[10:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195718 in pidgin "aptitude install of finch on heron requires X11 deps" [Undecided,New]
[10:26] <heret1c> Mohero|Work: got one of these caramba-sized sombreros.
[10:31] <Mohero|Work> l0l @ heret1c :)
[10:34] <Dazgard> hi there
[10:34] <Dazgard> does someone here have teh same error with ubuntu hardy and firefox 3 beta please ?
[10:34] <Dazgard> here the to see the error : http://www.flickr.com/photos/24093356@N05/2292965565/
[10:34] <Dazgard> it's related to images somehow, btu now sure
[10:35] <Mohero|Work> Dazgard - you should describe the "error" really.... but I'll take a look
[10:35] <Mohero|Work> no I won't I don't have  a yahoo account and so I can't see the link
[10:35] <Mohero|Work> so if you want to explain it - I might be able to help :)
[10:37] <Dazgard> the main gogole page is buggy as hell :)
[10:37] <Mohero|Work> ... well... you're using beta software - it's not helpful.
[10:38] <Dazgard> retrthe link should nbe ok now
[10:38] <Dazgard> beta software, that's teh reason im on #ubuntu+1 :)
[10:39] <Dazgard> RETRY  link should nbe ok now i mean
[10:40] <Mohero|Work> ahh well I think that's the same bug as this one: http://nomothetes.game-host.org/ff3.png
[10:41] <Dazgard> yes man, same one !!
[10:41] <Mohero|Work> then yes, others are having the problem :)
[10:41] <Mohero|Work> Firefox team know about it, it's just a "whatch this space"
[10:41] <Mohero|Work> hope they get it sorted before April too.
[10:42] <nanonyme> so it's a firefox bug and not an ubuntu bug?
[10:42] <Mohero|Work> yup
[10:43] <Dazgard> ok, thanks
[10:44] <Dazgard> bye everyone
[10:57] <RAOF> heret1c: Thank you, that's a good link.
[11:00] <heret1c> raof> it's rather important they come up with a (kernel) fix asap.
[11:01] <unenough> where is a repository for hardy's dbgsym's?
[11:01] <heret1c> RAOF:  according to "sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda" I habe UDMA6 enabled.
[11:02] <heret1c>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[11:02] <heret1c> udma5
[11:06] <Mohero|Work> well, just did a FF3 update - nice to see the background bug is still there :0
[11:06] <Mohero|Work> :)
[11:12] <RAOF> heret1c: Doesn't that mean that you _have_ DMA enabled, and hence things should be fast?
[11:12] <Dazgard> hi one more time
[11:13] <Mohero|Work> Dazgard: just did an upgrade to FF3 the problem is still there.
[11:13] <Dazgard> for teh firefox beta problem, seems like it's not related to firefox, cause midori also have this king of error
[11:13] <RAOF> heret1c: Sorry, I'm off.  If you ping me I'll see it in backscroll tomorrow.
[11:13] <Dazgard> midori is based on webkit, not gecko
[11:14] <heret1c> raof> did a hda <hda copy of a large file, which shouldn't impact the cpu much if dma was enabled. cpu was at 100%
[11:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> big update! 139 updates!
[11:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> seems like the gvfs problem with nautilus is fixed
[11:24] <dencrypt> bug 175597
[11:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175597 in kdebase "KDE: Error - KIOExec: error messages when opening links from system menu" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175597
[11:31]  * heret1c files his 1st bug report al launchpad
[11:37] <unenough> where is a repository for hardy's dbgsym's?
[11:37] <unenough> Also
[11:38] <unenough> I have this problem that the bottom panel is completely white, and occasionally the entire desktop
[11:40] <heret1c> unenough: have xmms running?
[11:40] <unenough> no
[11:41] <unenough> when i just log in it's already like that i think
[11:42] <heret1c> unenough: h'm.have a problem with the taskbar whiting out sometimes.traced it to xmms. sudo kill -9 <xmmspid> fixes.
[11:42] <unenough> there is no xmms running
[11:42] <unenough> and how can xmms cause the taskbar to become white, anyway?
[11:42] <unenough> seems unrelated
[11:42]  * heret1c understood that :)
[11:43] <unenough> maybe some underlying lib is buggy
[11:44] <heret1c> u have anu sw running using same lib(s) as xmms?
[11:44] <unenough> how should i know? ;)
[11:45] <unenough> but heret1c i think it happens when i just log in before anything runs
[11:45] <unenough> except the gnome session itself
[11:46] <P2502> is it normal to X to use software rendering even with DRI enabled? like fast moving windows takes up to 80% cpu
[11:46]  * heret1c tips hat at P2502
[11:46] <P2502> :)
[11:47] <heret1c> unenough: experiment. search launchpad.
[11:48] <unenough> are you suggesting that i spend my time reporting bugs?
[11:48] <unenough> ok, i will. :P
[11:48] <P2502> unenough: writing patches also
[11:49] <P2502> this is how open source works
[11:49] <void^> moving around windows in front of other windows always eats cpu time due to redrawing. that's the single advantage of compiz, no redrawing.
[11:49] <unenough> i waz kidding, mate
[11:52] <P2502> void^: but it looks like software redrawing
[11:54] <void^> that's what it is for the most part, unless you actually run compiz or another composite manager that simply keeps all windows rendered all the time and composites them on screen
[11:54] <P2502> and i paid 500$ for video card :P
[11:56] <P2502> yeah compiz makes difference
[11:56] <P2502> but its buggy
[11:58] <P2502> ok i have not done tests with kde4 manager yet
[11:59] <P2502> is it even work? cuz i tried it, but see no special effects or something
[12:00] <Assid> P2502: there are no special effects
[12:00] <Assid> err. waddup heret1c
[12:00] <P2502> but they are was enabled in menu
[12:01] <Assid> just spent more time fixing mymail server
[12:01] <Assid> :(
[12:01] <Assid> cram -md5 no longer works
[12:01] <heret1c> Assid: same sh*t new wrapping.
[12:01] <Assid> i had clients who use email clients thta doesnt support failing over to an alternate authentication
[12:04] <heret1c> Assid: the "dma bug" were said to be fixed "in three months" - in July 07!
[12:04] <muszek> hi
[12:04] <Assid> file a case against launchpad for giving wrong information ;)
[12:05] <ccooke> heret1c: Not actually accurate. It was said that there were three months of development left before Gutsy was to be released, and if the required information was available in that time it might be fixed. Nobody actually provided the information that was requested, though
[12:05] <heret1c> "However, we definitely want to get this fixed in gutsy. There's still three months left of development, so plenty of time.
[12:05] <ccooke> exactly.
[12:06] <ccooke> that does not say "we will fix this bug in three months"
[12:06] <muszek> anyone else has a bug with battery not recharging?  on my  dell 1720 the battery panel applet is stuck at 2%
[12:06] <ccooke> the post overall said "Get us this information and we should have plenty of time to fix it"
[12:06] <muszek> and says it's 26h 15m till charged
[12:06] <ccooke> and *nobody gave the required information*
[12:06] <heret1c> ccooke: ic.
[12:07] <ccooke> heret1c: that's why I spent so much time clarifying exactly what's useful in my post, yesterday
[12:07] <heret1c> ccooke: it's in now, isn't it? just posted my dmesg/lspaci/hdparm output.
[12:08] <ccooke> heret1c: I replied - your dmesg is full of warnings. Not usable, unfortunately. If you post the contents of /var/log/dmesg, though, that should help. I'd be interested to see your hdparm -tT readings, too
[12:10] <heret1c> ccooke: hold on...
[12:15] <heret1c> ccooke: pastebin?
[12:15] <ccooke> that'll do, I'm sure
[12:15]  * ccooke realises if he doesn't go for lunch now, he'll not be out of meetings to do so until... around 16:00
[12:15] <ccooke> BBL
[12:17] <heret1c> http://pastebin.com/d4a121ab6
[12:17] <heret1c> ah.
[12:18] <sque> Hi!
[12:28] <Mohero|Work> Hi sque
[12:37] <P2502> heret1c: it says     ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100    :/
[12:42] <P2502> and speed is much higher now
[12:42] <P2502> 50 mib/s is full speed
[12:45] <heret1c> back
[12:45] <heret1c> P2502: ewadung my last pastebin?
[12:45] <heret1c> reading, even...
[12:46]  * heret1c observes ff3 is quite a cpu hog
[12:49] <Squawk> hey guys, I got an issue with nvidia drivers not loading after a new kernel compile. I am new to ubuntu style kernel compile (not linux kernel compilation in general). Basicaly after a kernel compile the modules required for my onboard sound and graphics are not loaded during boot. I am not familiar wnough with ubuntu package management (the gui) to know what I should be doing regarding nvidia drivers after a kernel compile
[12:49] <Squawk> some general guidance would be helpful, I can give specifics as required
[12:49] <Dr_willis> after compiling the kernel. You need to reinsatll the nvidia drivers for that kernel
[12:50] <Dr_willis> if using the prepackaged kernels, in the repos. they automaticially do that (i think) :)
[12:50] <dencrypt> remind me to never use 'apt-get -b source ...' ever again.
[12:51] <Squawk> Dr_willis, problem has arisen as I used the "add/remove" packages option to install the nvidia drivers with the initial installation
[12:51]  * heret1c tips hat at Dr_willis
[12:51] <Dr_willis> Squawk,  you should be able to re-add them. or use the command line tool to reinstall them.
[12:52] <Squawk> I was trying out ubuntu trying to do everything using the guis, evaluating it for my family
[12:52] <Dr_willis> I havent messed with my own kernel in years. so there may be some other things to watch out for.
[12:52] <Dr_willis> !kernel
[12:52] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[12:52] <Squawk> Dr_willis, yeah I figured as much, but the problem was I went and got a kernel from kernel.org, and the linux-restricted-modules or similar isnt available for that kernel
[12:53] <Dr_willis> Squawk,  you may have to use the nvidia isntaller from the nvidia web site then.
[12:53] <Squawk> and you can't for some reason install the nvidia modules without the restricted stuff
[12:53] <Dr_willis> totally bypassing the restricted stuff.
[12:53] <Squawk> Dr_willis, yeah thats the next option, was hoping to avoid it though (like I say, trying to see how simply I can do things)
[12:54] <Squawk> currently im having a go with the kernel sources retrieved via apt, figure they should be supported
[12:54] <Squawk> compile taking forever though...
[12:58] <IdleOne> when trying to boot from Alpha5 livecd I get a I/O Error Cannot read boot CD. any help?
[13:06] <lemonade> IdleOne: bad cd?
[13:09] <slackern> hmm today my rhythmbox started segfaulting all of a sudden when i got home, it ran fine yesterday
[13:10] <P2502>  IdleOne: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha5 see caveats section
[13:12] <slackern> ahh nm found it in bugs.launchpad now
[13:13] <P2502>  IdleOne: nvm it seems it another error and launchpad commentstors suggest your error is caused by bad burn
[13:15] <theunixgeek> Does Hardy have any new artwork yet?
[13:16] <Assid> okay FF3 is bonkers and doesnt work with yahoo mail
[13:16] <P2502>  theunixgeek: cool wallpaper
[13:17] <theunixgeek> P2502: where can I see the new wallpaper without a full download of Alpha 5?
[13:18] <Mohero|Work> theunixgeek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Feta_Kuti_without_blood
[13:19] <Mohero|Work> I appear to have the one with the red on it...
[13:20] <vega--> mhm java awt/swing programs don't seem to work very nicely in hardy
[13:21] <Mohero|Work> java programs don't seem to work nicely anyway....
[13:21] <theunixgeek> Are there new icons?
[13:22] <P2502> theunixgeek: you dont like wallpaper?
[13:22] <P2502> j/k
[13:22] <theunixgeek> P2502: I love it! :D
[13:22] <theunixgeek> I'm happy it was accepted.
[13:22] <theunixgeek> What's the other wallpaper? The Elephant one?
[13:22] <Mohero|Work> theunixgeek: some new Icons I wouldn't like to say what and where though at the moment.
[13:23] <theunixgeek> Mohero|Work: why not?
[13:23] <Mohero|Work> theunixgeek: because I couldn't be sure :)
[13:24] <theunixgeek> Is there a new login screen?
[13:24] <P2502> this bird is cool but i dont like it, i prefer no wallpaper or previous wallpaper which was replaced by bird, bird is symbol of irracional
[13:24] <Mohero|Work> theunixgeek: there's a new update-manager icon, and a few others, I don't have time to focus too much on that at the moment though
[13:25] <Mohero|Work> theunixgeek: login screen: nope, not yet atleast - but the usplash - although it hasn't changed, it doesn't show no info when it's scanning your hard disk, it tells you what it's doing now, eveing if you have the quiet flat :)
[13:25] <theunixgeek> Mohero|Work: what do you mean?
[13:25] <Dr_willis> we need a collection of animal backsides for wallpaper. :)
[13:26] <IdleOne> P2502 how can I make sure that the cd is burned correctly?
[13:26] <theunixgeek> Mohero|Work: it doesn't show the progress bar anymore?
[13:26] <theunixgeek> IdleOne: pop it into the CD drive and see if it works ;)
[13:27] <Mohero|Work> theunixgeek: i mean, when it checks your disk for errors after 32 days or 28? mounts, it tells you it is scanning the disk on the splash screen, instead of just sitting there appearing to do nothing, then bailing out to the text mode boot process.
[13:27] <IdleOne> lol that may cost me a few cd's
[13:27] <theunixgeek> Mohero|Work: I see.
[13:27] <P2502> IdleOne: well i think it is possible to check md5 or something but i dont know if it comparable to md5 of isos...
[13:27] <Mohero|Work> I'd still like to see 1024x768 in console for ubuntu by default
[13:27] <theunixgeek> Mohero|Work: does the usplash have a new look?
[13:28] <P2502> IdleOne: so you better check md5 of iso and burn again
[13:28] <Mohero|Work> theunixgeek: nope.
[13:29] <Adys> W: Failed to fetch http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/portaudio19/libportaudio2_19+svn20071207-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb  404 Not Found
[13:29]  * Adys cringes
[13:32] <P2502>  IdleOne:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=100657
[13:32] <P2502> it says useing dd but i have tried that and had some issues preventing me from check md5 of cd
[13:33] <P2502> maybe you will have a better luck
[13:37] <heret1c> Linux Kernel 2.6.24.3 and 2.6.25 RC3 launched
[13:43] <heret1c> new libata-core.
[13:49] <Konstigt> someone brave could have a look at bug 195768
[13:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195768 in ubuntu "Bad battery runtime in Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195768
[13:50] <Konstigt> this is something that I think should be solved in Intrepid Ibex
[13:52] <Pici> O
[14:07] <lod__air> hi, after upgrade to hardy my X is become slow, my video is ATI
[14:12] <heret1c> lod__air: did y search launchpad?
[14:12] <heret1c> errr...
[14:12] <h3sp4wn> lod__air: try disabling compiz - are you using fglrx or ati
[14:20] <Konstigt> lod__air: check if you have 3d accel at all, execute fglrxinfo and look for info about ATI or VESA
[14:22] <hackeron_> hey. ever since updating to xorg 7.3 I'm not able to get 800x480 resolution - Xorg.0.log says no such mode exists and defaults to 800x600 - any ideas?
[14:23] <Mohero|Work> i'm guessing this is a very small wide screen...
[14:23] <Mohero|Work> like < 7" I hope
[14:24] <hackeron_> 10.2" touchscreen
[14:29] <Yaroze> reinstalled still no pulseaudio sound with my audigy 2 :(
[14:33] <Mohero|Work> hackeron_: I'm afraid I don't know much about that level of X - I have you looked up the documentation?
[14:33] <Mohero|Work> hackeron_: you could always paste your xorg.conf to pastebin.ca and I can have a look - I just can't garante..
[14:35] <hackeron_> Mohero|Work: the xorg.conf works on 7.2 but not on 7.3 - from what I've googled, it seems 800x480 was removed in 7.3 and now needs custom modelines? -- hmmmmmm
[14:35] <Mohero|Work> hackeron_: ok, so you're using hte same xorg.conf... hmm...
[14:35] <nanonyme> 800x480 sounds a bit odd. never heard of it myself
[14:35] <nanonyme> only 640x480 and 800x600
[14:35] <hackeron_> yep, same xorg.conf
[14:35] <Mohero|Work> nanonyme: small widescreens ;)
[14:35] <hackeron_> nanonyme: wide screen :)
[14:35] <nanonyme> ah
[14:36] <hackeron_> in fact, I couldn't find a non wide version
[14:36] <Mohero|Work> nanonyme: the asus Eee uses 800x480 - I think
[14:36] <Mohero|Work> hackeron_: what was the reason for removing 800x480?
[14:37] <hackeron_> Mohero|Work: I wish I knew, lol - in fact, I'd like to know who was responsible for that
[14:37] <hackeron_> Mohero|Work: so I can send him a little rant
[14:38] <Mohero|Work> hackeron_: then you should maybe check out http://www.x.org/wiki/
[14:38] <Yaroze> anyone with an SB audigy/live card that has pulseaudio working?
[14:38] <Mohero|Work> Yaroze: sorry - not me
[14:39] <nanonyme> hackeron_, my guess is that they thought nothing uses it
[14:40] <hackeron_> yeah, except for the only competitor to the OLPC project, lol
[14:40] <Mohero|Work> nanonyme: maybe but the Eee is pretty new, and i'm sure that uses that screen mode
[14:40] <Yaroze> Mohero|Work: what soundcard you have then?
[14:41] <nanonyme> Mohero|Work, just go complain? maybe they'll take the decision back in a future version
[14:41] <Mohero|Work> Yaroze: I run IntelHDA driver off the nforce chipset - I don't use my machine for music etc, I have a media system for that.
[14:42] <h3sp4wn> hackeron_: The olpc has more interesting things about it than the eepc which is just a very cheap laptop
[14:42] <Yaroze> Mohero|Work: :)
[14:44] <Mohero|Work> Yaroze: I'm serious! I have a media system with surround sound, my main gaming system has headphones..... and some really really cheep speakers for when I can't be bothered with headphones - it does mean I generally have a few computers on though....
[14:46] <jp> Question: I used both yesterday's daily-live and alpha-5 desktop cds to install Hardy. When I get to gdm and login, my session does not stay logged in for more than a couple seconds. I tried running updating, and removing all the ".whatever" folders, but neither worked. Any thoughs?
[14:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi, I've been asked to test if my bug still exists with latest kernel source and I discovered it's not been upgraded automatically, hence I don't know how many related packages I need (e.g. restricted modules): I must have removed some meta-package that sets up it all
[14:50] <Mohero|Work> jp are you using the same /home dir from another instal
[14:50] <Mohero|Work> ?
[14:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> somebody knows what package does install both kernel image, restricted modules and any other necessary goodies to the latest version?
[14:50] <jp> no, i did fresh installs with both cds
[14:51] <jp> I've been running Hardy on another machine for about a month now, but haven't seen this problem
[14:51] <Mohero|Work> jp: if you enter recovery mode, from the GDM selection, then create a new user, can you then login with that user? also - from the recovery mode, does "startx" bring X up?
[14:52] <Mohero|Work> no, i've not seen this problem on Hardy either - only time i've seen it is when I used a mashed up /home OR my /home/{user} didn't exist.
[14:53] <sn0> Le-Chuck_ITA linux-image for the latest kernel-image and linux-restricted-modules
[14:53] <jp> good questions. I haven't tried the new user thing, but the Xterm session from gdm works
[14:53] <sn0> for uhh the restricted-modules :)
[14:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sn0: thanks, is there nothing else to take care of?
[14:54] <sn0> Le-Chuck_ITA without knowing more of what you have done i can't say, just be sure to reboot into the new kernel + modules if it upgrades to a newer version
[14:54] <Lunks> Using Hardy, sometimes I have the 'unlock' option, which is pretty clear about what I'm doing. But using some programs (i.e. Update Manager) the old behaviour is still there (semi-transparent full screen window). Is it going to be changed?
[14:55] <Lunks> I really like the new way of sudoing and looks much, much better.
[14:56] <heret1c> how long before the newest kernel (2.6.24.3) will be in hardy? has some fixes to libata-core. :)
[14:56] <jp> Mohero|Work: a new user does the same thing. I get as far as the Heron background, and it kicks me back to the login
[14:56] <jp> Maybe I should file a bug?
[14:57] <sn0> heret1c kernel freeze for hardy is april 10th~ so maybe before then
[14:57] <tabularasa> Anybody successfully using synergy in Hardy?
[14:57] <heret1c> sn0: let's hope. :)
[14:57] <sn0> :)
[14:58] <Mohero|Work> jp: can you log in to a console? (Ctrl+Alt+F1) ?
[14:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sn0 thanks
[14:58] <Mohero|Work> pah
[14:58] <sn0> np
[15:00] <tabularasa> stupid connection.  anyone get synergy to run successfully under Hardy?
[15:01] <sn0> haven't tried tabularasa , works great in gutsy :)
[15:01] <tabularasa> yeah, i am using it now in 7.10
[15:01] <tabularasa> i installed Kubuntu so i could try out kde4 and synergy just didnt work.. and thats a deal-breaker for me
[15:06] <dencrypt> great
[15:06] <dencrypt> now I got both flash and java for x86_64 in hardy working just fine
[15:06] <dencrypt> without 32bit versions :D
[15:07] <h3sp4wn> icetea java got fixed ?
[15:07] <dencrypt> h3sp4wn: No
[15:07] <dencrypt> I compiled it myself
[15:07] <Nubae> dencrypt, how did u get java working?
[15:08] <h3sp4wn> I cannot be bothered for that 32 bit is fine for me
[15:08] <Nubae> and is that flash with sound working?
[15:08] <Nubae> ie youtube (not gnash?)
[15:08] <jamalf> Has anyone here tried using synergy on hardy yet?
[15:08] <dencrypt> youtube works just fine with sound yes
[15:08] <Nubae> gnash or flash?
[15:08] <h3sp4wn> unfortunately I have flash with sound also
[15:08] <dencrypt> Nubae: flashnonfree
[15:08] <Nubae> many many people would love to know how u did that :-)
[15:09] <Nubae> for x64
[15:09] <Nubae> especially the java part
[15:09] <dencrypt> I am actually thinking of writing a how-to
[15:09] <dencrypt> cause it took me allmost 1½ day to figure it all out
[15:09] <Nubae> that would be wonderful, I'll help if oyu guide me through it
[15:09] <Nubae> I've been trying to get java installed on 64 bit for months
[15:09] <h3sp4wn> dencrypt: If you don't get any crashes in a week or so then I am more interested (and will go thru the hassle)
[15:10] <Nubae> I'm running gnash for 64 bit and that works fine... but, how did u manage to get flash installed, as far as I know the 64 bit doesnt exist
[15:11] <jamalf> Nubae, 64bit flash does exist, the installer should be able to do install it without a problem. At least, it did for me.
[15:11] <Nubae> anyway, if you have a second and are willing, I'd love to know the procedure
[15:11] <h3sp4wn> jamalf: since when it uses nspluginwrapper afaik
[15:11] <Nubae> jamalf is that new?
[15:11] <dencrypt> flashplugin-nonfree
[15:11] <dencrypt> is available through repositories
[15:11] <Nubae> that uses 32 bit wrapper
[15:12] <jamalf> h3sp4wn, Yeah, it does use nspluginwrapper
[15:12] <h3sp4wn> I really don't understand why firefox32 cannot be a choice from the repositories
[15:12] <jamalf> Nubae, Not really, not too new. I had to do it manually about half a year ago in feisty. I reformatted and installed Hardy last night and installed flashplugin-nonfree from the repositories iwthout a problem
[15:13] <Nubae> jamalf, the nspluginwrapper version?
[15:13] <h3sp4wn> (I don't understand why the sparc distro is pure64 either but alas I use Solaris on my sparc anyway)
[15:13] <Nubae> I run ltsp, and can't use that because I need pulse sound on the clients which connect remotely
[15:13] <jamalf> Nubae, Yes. It does run it through nspluginwrapper
[15:14] <Nubae> but please, dencrypt, could u guide me through the java install, I'll help write it up if it works...
[15:14] <dencrypt> Nubae: apt-get install icedtea-java7-jdk && apt-get build-dep icedtea-java7-plugin && apt-get -b source icedtea-java7-plugin icedtea-java7-bin icedtea-java7-jre icedtea-java7-jdk && dpkg -i icedtea-java7*.deb
[15:14] <dencrypt> short version
[15:15] <Nubae> ok, I'll try that thanks... and I'll ask when i get into problems ;-)
[15:15] <dencrypt> it will take hours to compile though
[15:15] <dencrypt> with my 6000+ x2 AMD it took more than 4 hours
[15:15] <Nubae> i'm running dual core xeon processors
[15:15]  * h3sp4wn wonders the hell the one in the repos is broken then
[15:15] <Nubae> should be pretty fast
[15:16] <lod__air> does someone has problems running ps -aux in terminal?
[15:16] <Nubae> wow 40 megs to be installed
[15:17] <lod__air> or slow X with ati, fglrx and compiz?
[15:18] <Nubae> dencrypt is this only for hardy, or gutsy too?
[15:18] <lod__air> only in hardy, in gutsy all was ok
[15:18] <h3sp4wn> Nubae: I would guess you could use hardy source packages
[15:18] <Nubae> you've done this too h3sp4wn?
[15:19] <Nubae> installed java successfully on 64 bit?
[15:19] <h3sp4wn> No I am using 32bit firefox + java
[15:19] <h3sp4wn> (need the XCB hack)
[15:19] <dencrypt> Nubae: don't know. I've just tried it in hardy
[15:19] <h3sp4wn> No reason it wouldn't work
[15:20] <Nubae> I'm trying on gutsy now
[15:20] <Nubae> seriously, there are a lot of people that will be grateful to you if this works... as far as I know it has been a problem for a long time
[15:21] <dencrypt> well. It still needs more testing. I am not sure it will work for all kinds of applets
[15:21] <dencrypt> the java at http://www.java.com/sv/download/help/testvm.xml works fins
[15:21] <dencrypt> fine
[15:21] <dencrypt> what else should I test
[15:21] <dencrypt> ?
[15:21] <Nubae> look at some eductaional java stuff
[15:21] <Nubae> schools and unis are the main ones using this
[15:22] <dencrypt> DAMN
[15:22] <dencrypt> hushmail doesn't work :/
[15:23] <dencrypt> it says it's not installed.
[15:30] <dencrypt> owell.
[15:30] <dencrypt> It works for the most part at least
[15:32] <s0u][ight> brb
[15:35] <braniff> is there an 8.04 iso for installation ?
[15:35] <braniff> yet
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> There is alpha 5 and daily builds your pick
[15:36] <braniff> where do i find those please
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> I usually use mirror-service.org.uk
[15:37] <jamalf> braniff, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha5 scroll down near the bottom to the downloads section
[15:37] <h3sp4wn> but find a mirror or cdimage.ubuntu.com
[15:37] <h3sp4wn> s/or/of
[15:37] <braniff> thanks
[15:40] <jamalf> Is there a changelog for the daily builds? Or maybe, an svn/cvs log?
[15:42] <P2502> why /etc/resolv.conf is rewriting? i loose my dns config
[15:42] <h3sp4wn> there is apt-listchanges
[15:42] <h3sp4wn> fix your dns server
[15:43] <h3sp4wn> *dns / dhcp
[15:43] <P2502> what you mean?
[15:43] <h3sp4wn> That should be dealt with by the dhcp server not by hacking stuff on the client
[15:44] <h3sp4wn> (You can disable networkmanager if you want and use the prepend domain servers option for dhcp3 client but its a hack)(
[15:45] <P2502> i use adsl and i recieve 2 dns servers ip when making a connection, but ISPs servers often fail and i want to use opendns servers additionaly
[15:46] <wastrel> you can tell dhcp not to mess with resolv.conf
[15:47] <P2502> how exactly?
[15:47] <DanaG> You can use prepend WITH networkmanager, I believe.
[15:47] <DanaG> But there's not an "append" option.
[15:48] <P2502> what is prepend? actually i want to use network manager but still may fallback to pppoeconf
[15:49] <P2502> if i disable n-m and use pppoeconf then resolv.conf will not be overwritten?
[15:49] <h3sp4wn> If you remove resolvconf as well
[15:49] <h3sp4wn> and don't use dhcp (or fix dhcp3 client config)
[15:51] <P2502> ok... thanks...
[15:52] <P2502> but what is DNS tab in network manager used for if i cant enter custom dns here?
[15:52] <P2502> well... nvm
[15:55] <P2502> i may just setup resolv.conf as read only?..
[15:55] <P2502> change permission
[15:57] <h3sp4wn> you could try chattr +i
[15:57] <dencrypt> Where should I put the how-to to get java/flash in ff3b3 x86_64 for hardy in ubuntu-forums?
[15:58] <dencrypt> never done this before
[15:58] <h3sp4wn> dencrypt: put it on the community wiki
[15:58] <dencrypt> hmmm
[15:58] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu-forums has too much garbage on it (people presume that stuff on there must be junk)
[15:58] <Pici> If you're going to go the hack-ish route, why not just do it the 'proper' way and use prepend domain-name-servers ip.add.re.ss; in your /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[15:58] <dencrypt> I have never written in a wiki before
[16:00] <dencrypt> where do I start?
[16:00]  * dencrypt feels like a n00b again :)
[16:00] <h3sp4wn> Dunno just write it as a text file get someone to check its correct and think about it then
[16:00] <h3sp4wn> (preferably more than one person)
[16:01] <Milos_SD> Hi all. I have a problem with nvidia driver (nvidia-glx-new) on Hardy. After restart I can not use driver.
[16:02] <Milos_SD> But, if I reinstall nvidia-glx-new, nvidia-kernel-comon and linux-restricted-modules and logout/login, drivers work great.
[16:02] <bazhang> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Special:Userlogin just register and wiki away ;]
[16:06] <Nubae> I would put the java stuff here: help.ubuntu.com/Community
[16:06] <Nubae> that is the most official wiki for help
[16:06] <Nubae> wiki is {{{ this is some code }}}
[16:06] <Nubae> and ==This is a Title==
[16:07] <jamalf> I just installed Hardy Heron (well reinstalled because I was having a lot of problems) and whenever I log in, it starts loading, then goes black and takes me back to the login screen
[16:07] <Nubae> those are the ones used the most I guess
[16:07] <dencrypt> ah. I guess I have to read a little about syntax and crap. Hopefully it will be up later tonight. I will keep you updated. Gotta eat now. tnx 4 the help.
[16:07] <Nubae> it does take a long time to compile indeed
[16:07] <dencrypt> Nubae: told you :)
[16:08] <Nubae> I will help if you like dencrypt.. I can create the wiki and then u can edit later if you think it needs changing
[16:08] <dencrypt> Sounds nice. :) I just write the whole process and you edit the parameters for ut?
[16:08] <dencrypt> it?
[16:09] <Nubae> but u should definetly edit it after so you get the credit for finding the solution ;-)
[16:09] <wastrel> java is broken
[16:09] <dencrypt> ah
[16:09] <dencrypt> hehe
[16:09] <Nubae> yeah well, is it just what you wrote before?
[16:09] <Nubae> or is there any more to it?
[16:10] <dencrypt> Basicly no.
[16:11] <dencrypt> But I think I will backtrack what I did exactly to make sure.
[16:11] <dencrypt> I did some stuff yesterday that might have some effect.
[16:11] <dencrypt> Tried all kinds of solutions
[16:12] <Nubae> well, we need to find a place to put it first...
[16:12] <Nubae> there seems to be no place for dedicated 64 bit solutions
[16:12] <Nubae> we are treated like second class citizens most of the time ;-)
[16:15] <Assid> hrmm
[16:15] <Assid> is hotmail/msn messed up
[16:15] <Assid> seems slow
[16:15] <Assid> msn messenger / amsn doesnt even connect properly
[16:16] <Nubae> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[16:16] <jamalf> Does the xorg-driver-fglrx not currently work on Hardy?
[16:16] <Nubae> already exists, but seems like a complex confusing page
[16:19] <jamalf> Whenever I install it and restart all I get is a black screen instead of the login. I don't know how to look at the Xorg log since Ctrl+Alt+F1 no longer works.
[16:20] <dencrypt> Nubae: we could expand the icetea-part in there.
[16:21] <dencrypt> But we should probably confirm that it works on gutsy first...
[16:23] <Nubae> well, I created a new page... its here, u just need to login and modify as needed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java64
[16:23] <Nubae> can always link from the java page
[16:24] <MFen> any way to go back to firefox 2 until the copious breakage of firefox 3 settles down?
[16:24] <Nubae> I wouldn't go back
[16:24] <Nubae> firefox 3 rocks
[16:24] <jamalf> Lol
[16:24] <jamalf> MFen, What is breaking?
[16:24] <Nubae> much less resource hungry
[16:24] <MFen> printing, google reader, all my extensions
[16:25] <MFen> you know, just everything i use every day. :)
[16:25] <h3sp4wn> MFen: Just put the binary into /opt (that is what I do)
[16:25] <MFen> h3sp4wn: the ff2 binary?
[16:25] <h3sp4wn> works fine for me (but I use 64 bit hardy)
[16:25] <h3sp4wn> get the tar.gz from mozilla
[16:25] <MFen> that sounds like a plan
[16:25] <Nubae> funny, I had printing problem today, but only from yahoo mail
[16:26] <Aeroraptor> hello. anyone know if GMA965/Intel X3100 is supported properly in hardy?
[16:26] <MFen> Nubae: it's a reported bug. supposedly fixed in beta 4
[16:26] <MFen> no printing works for me
[16:26] <h3sp4wn> MFen: Its self contained so /opt is fine (and won't mess with anything else)
[16:27] <Aeroraptor> I searched on the wiki with no results, and places here and there _imply_ that it works but I wanted to ask before I go doing anything drastic
[16:28] <MFen> also, can anyone give me a good reason why gaim doesn't work with the gnome network applet?  and is there a workaround?
[16:29] <Aeroraptor> gaim? I thought that got dissolved...
[16:29] <Aeroraptor> pidgin is the replacement
[16:29] <MFen> pidgin, whatever
[16:29] <dencrypt> Nubae: looks as a beginning. I'll start editing it some more after dinner. cya
[16:29] <asdrubal> what's the current kernel in hardy?
[16:29] <MFen> it won't connect properly when using the gnome network applet
[16:29] <Nubae> pidgin = new name for gaim :-)
[16:30] <Nubae> 2.6.24
[16:30] <asdrubal> Nubae, what revision?
[16:30] <asdrubal> still on -8 ?
[16:31] <Nubae> think so yes
[16:31] <P2502> Transmission seriously failed for me, restarting from 460 MiB and not from downloaded 1 GiB, never seen this happen with utorrent
[16:31] <tabularasa> anybody get synergy to work in the lastest hardy?
[16:31] <Nubae> -8-14
[16:31] <Nubae> use ktorrent or deluge
[16:32] <Nubae> ktorrent is great
[16:33] <P2502> well why it is included in hardy if i supposed to use deluge?
[16:33] <Nubae> its just 2 other options
[16:33] <Nubae> developers are only human
[16:34] <Pici> !best
[16:34] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, join #ubuntu-bots and ask there.
[16:34] <savvas> !sexy
[16:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sexy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:34] <savvas> teach that bot some real apps :)
[16:34] <heret1c> !mobile
[16:34] <ubotu> Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[16:37] <h3sp4wn> Lord forbid any embedded device I ever get runs ubuntu
[16:39] <h3sp4wn> They don't support any of the main cpu's people use for embedded systems anyway
[16:40] <jamalf> Ugh, are ati drivers in Hardy broken altogether?
[16:40] <jamalf> ...Oh, it works if I turn DRI off.
[16:40] <Aeroraptor> I hope GMA isn't :P
[16:40] <h3sp4wn> Wouldn't be at all surprised
[16:40] <jamalf> I hate ATI :(
[16:40] <heret1c> There's a debian version for ARM procs (SA. Xscale) afaik.
[16:40] <h3sp4wn> jamalf: which ati exactly ?
[16:41] <jamalf> The worst of all. Xpress 200
[16:41] <MFen> there's a new firefox package this morning, maybe things will work better
[16:41] <Nubae> well, y not use maemo
[16:42] <Nubae> its pretty well supported by nokia
[16:42] <Nubae> and ubuntu  will be based on it anyway, from what I understand
[16:43] <heret1c> Nubae: url?
[16:43] <jamalf> heret1c, maemo.org
[16:44] <jamalf> Did Hardy get rid of terminal on other displays? :(
[16:44] <jamalf> Oh nvm..
[16:44] <Nubae> what's the name for hardy+1
[16:44] <Nubae> is it decided yet?
[16:45] <jamalf> i think i read something about it
[16:45] <bazhang> !ibex
[16:45] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[16:45] <jamalf> ahh yeah
[16:45] <jamalf> heh
[16:45] <Nubae> heh
[16:45] <heret1c> Nubae: think itæll improve nokia mobile <> linux connectivity? gnokii's terrible.
[16:45] <Aeroraptor> lol nice
[16:45] <Nubae> sily name
[16:45] <jamalf> wait, isn't 8.04 a long time support version?
[16:45] <jamalf> why would there be a new version so quick after it?
[16:45] <bazhang> aye
[16:45] <Nubae> jamalf yeah it is LTS
[16:45] <Pici> jamalf: Releases are every 6 months.
[16:45] <Pici> Always.
[16:46] <jamalf> Ahh
[16:46] <bazhang> forever.
[16:46] <Nubae> except LTSes which are every 2 years
[16:46] <Aeroraptor> radioactive raccoon should be next :D
[16:46] <jamalf> So what does it mean for a release to be LTS exactly?
[16:46] <Pici> !lts
[16:46] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[16:46] <jamalf> Ahh alright
[16:46] <jamalf> Makes sense :)
[16:46] <jamalf> I think, I'm getting closer and closer to just going back to Feisty
[16:46] <Pici> guaranteed security patches for those periods of time.
[16:47] <Nubae> jamalf, don't
[16:47] <jamalf> Nubae, I can't get ATI to work :(
[16:47] <Nubae> stick with hardy
[16:47] <Nubae> it works
[16:47] <Nubae> I'm running X1450
[16:47] <jamalf> Not for me
[16:47] <Aeroraptor> apparently not, Nubae
[16:47] <jamalf> I mean, I got it to last night. But a lot of other things were wrong so I figured I would reformat and try from scratch again.
[16:47] <jamalf> Well now, I can't get it to work at all.
[16:47] <jamalf> I had a lot of trouble last night with the same issue too
[16:47] <Aeroraptor> if hardy works with GMA X3100 I'll jump right on it but no one is answering me
[16:47] <Nubae> for gutsy I had to compile kernel modules
[16:48] <jamalf> The ATI ones?
[16:48] <Nubae> yes
[16:48] <jamalf> I did that last night, didn't work either
[16:48] <jamalf> I'll try again just for the sake of trying I guess, can't hurt much more
[16:49] <Nubae> I followed the phoronix howto
[16:49] <Nubae> let me see if I can re-find it
[16:49] <jamalf> I used this one in Gutsy: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide
[16:49] <jamalf> They don't have a Hardy version yet, but I got it it installed last night following similar steps
[16:50] <jamalf> There was something else I had to install though
[16:51] <MFen> is anyone else getting copious 'import site failed' errors on anything python?
[16:51] <Nubae> for me hardy autodetected my x1450 which I was very surprised with
[16:51] <jamalf> I wish it did for me :(
[16:51] <jamalf> Xpress 200 are crap though
[16:51] <jamalf> From what I've heard they have something weird with their memory since they're embedded... I don't know for sure htough
[16:51] <bardyr> w00t bug #194482 is confirmed :D
[16:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194482 in gvfs "gvfs can't access SFTP on alternate ports" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194482
[16:51] <bardyr> and fixed :D
[16:52] <jamalf> I love the way FF3 looks in Gnome :)
[16:52] <Nubae> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=596671
[16:53] <jamalf> Ahh thanks :)
[16:53] <Nubae> taht has some complex stuff on making ati work, and a link to the phoronix howto In used
[16:53] <jamalf> FireGL?
[16:53] <Nubae> yeah like SLI but for ati
[16:53] <jamalf> ..oh, I don't use that .. at all lol
[16:53] <jamalf> Its a laptop
[16:53] <Nubae> u can probably ignore tha bit unless u have 2 cards
[16:55] <MFen> nope, ff3 is still broken
[16:55] <MFen> see ya. going back to ff2.
[16:55] <MFen> ah god dammit
[16:55] <MFen> hardy broke python
[16:56] <P2502> any GUI for making ADSL PPPOE connections in kubuntu?
[16:56] <MFen> oh well, easy to fix
[16:56] <P2502> probably in KDE4?
[16:57] <flipstar> knetworkmanager?
[16:58] <heret1c> P2502: KPPP?
[16:59] <P2502> i cant find it in knetworkmanager or kppp
[16:59] <heret1c> k menu > internet > kppp
[16:59] <jamalf> weird, this time the ati installer is downloading its own packages... i've never seen it do that before
[16:59] <Nubae> the middle of that document is the important part
[17:00] <Nubae> install the build environment
[17:00] <Nubae> install kernel source and then ati driver
[17:01] <bardyr> does anybody else have a problem with udevd always trying to access the cd-rom but failing?
[17:02] <jamalf> Hrm,.. it keeps failing for me now
[17:03] <jamalf> Oh wait, I think I know why.... I forgot to enable the multiverse and universe repos
[17:03] <jamalf> At least, that's the only thing I did different last night
[17:04] <Nubae> all I can tell u is taht I have t working with catalyst gui and compiz
[17:04] <Nubae> with no crashes
[17:05] <dencrypt> Nubae: ok if I /msg?
[17:06] <Nubae> sure
 i think kppp is for dial-up only
[17:10] <P2502> it asking me for modem and phone number
[17:12] <P2502> and knetworkmanager now have all fields empty and tabs disabled since i configured static ip
[17:17] <WorkingOnWis1> what other browser can I run stabily with firefox that has flash support? as in run borh browsers at the same time.
[17:18] <WorkingOnWis1> borth=both
[17:18] <bardyr> WorkingOnWis1, Opera should be stable
[17:18] <WorkingOnWis1> forgot all about that one...
[17:19] <dencrypt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firefox3AMD64Java
[17:19] <dencrypt> what do you think?
[17:21] <Nubae> wish it would stop compiling already ;-)
[17:21] <h3sp4wn> If that really is all it takes then somehow we should request a rebuild
[17:22] <Arwen> argh.... azureus is broken too. Maybe GTK+ in general is.
[17:22] <dencrypt> Nubae: yeah, it's a real pain :)
[17:23] <Nubae> especially, cause I want to reboot into hardy
[17:23] <dencrypt> don't say I didn't warn you :)
[17:23] <Nubae> heh, yeah, but that's me, running hardy on a production server with 100 students too
[17:23] <Nubae> living on the edge
[17:24] <dencrypt> Hardcore :D
[17:24] <WorkingOnWis1> should I get the gutsy package of Opera?
[17:25] <dencrypt> Nubae: you didn't get any messages from me?
[17:25] <chand> hi
[17:26] <WorkingOnWis1> while we're talkin bout Firefox plugins....is adobes flash still broke for Hardy, and is the gnash plugin super unstable in general, or am I just lucky?
[17:26] <Nubae> yeah, i did and responded
[17:26] <Nubae> I suppose u didnt receive from me?
[17:26] <chand> someone get Hardy works on macbook santa rosa ?
[17:26] <dencrypt> Nubae: nope
[17:26] <Nubae> no gnash is fine
[17:26] <jamalf> Wow synergy behaves horribly in hardy
[17:26] <bardyr> chand, it should work?
[17:27] <Arwen> WorkingOnWis1, YouTube plays fine (cannot and will not use the world "good" to refer to YouTube)
[17:27] <Nubae> hmmm... weird
[17:27] <WorkingOnWis1> oh...left out a detail...AMD64.
[17:27] <Nubae> sent thats why I received no response
[17:27] <Arwen> so Adobe Flash can't be totally b0rk3d
[17:27] <dencrypt> Nubae: not identified?
[17:27] <chand> bardyr: i can't get keyboard and touchpad working
[17:27] <Arwen> oh.... well, your fault for using flash on x86-64...
[17:27] <WorkingOnWis1> Arwen: are u on amd64?
[17:28] <Nubae> use gnash on x86-64 it works great
[17:28] <Nubae> inlcuding youtube with sound
[17:28] <WorkingOnWis1> Arwen: yeah...but I got 6gb of ram....
[17:28] <bardyr> chand, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook_Santa_Rosa
[17:28] <chand> bardyr: no right click on touchpad and some strange keyboard layout
[17:29] <chand> bardyr: i followed this and another for fedora, touchpad seems not detected
[17:29] <WorkingOnWis1> Nubae: if I open 2 tabs that both have flash, it isnt long before npviewer.bim zombies
[17:29] <WorkingOnWis1> bim=bin
[17:29] <Nubae> weird, well for me, no problems, and I have 100 students running firefox and flash at the same time sometimes
[17:29] <Nubae> gnash
[17:29] <Nubae> I mean
[17:30] <Nubae> dencrypt, just sent you some messages, guess u are not getting them
[17:30] <dencrypt> nope
[17:31] <dencrypt> and you are identified?
[17:31] <Nubae> identified?
[17:32] <chand> bardyr: on fedora guide, two kernel patches are needed, il will try to apply them
[17:32] <Arwen> ok, Az works now... ff is still broken
[17:33] <Arwen> who maintains firefox? man I've got a piece of my mind to give him..
[17:33] <dencrypt> Nubae: you have to register and identify on freenet to be able to send pm
[17:34] <jamalf> Does anyone know why when using the fglrx drivers I would get a black screen?
[17:34] <Pici> Are you using xserver-xgl?
[17:34] <Nubae> ah.... I didnt do taht and didnt know that
[17:34] <jamalf> Pici, no
[17:34] <Pici> jamalf: Good.
[17:35] <dencrypt> Nubae: well now you know :)
[17:35] <jamalf> Well, I just installed xorg-driver-fglrx again, restarting now. Lets see if it works.
[17:36] <jamalf> o.o
[17:36] <jamalf> it showed the login screen
[17:36] <Nubae> whats the link?
[17:36] <jamalf> i wonder if its actually running on the fglrx drivers
[17:36] <Arwen> oh yeah, another gripe - fglrx 8.2 (current version) breaks on X300SE chips
[17:36] <Nubae> as long as u have flgrx in xorg.conf
[17:37] <jamalf> so, i do have a question. did something change with the way xorg.conf works?
[17:37] <Arwen> it corrupts the kdm login screen and causes very poor OpenGL performance
[17:37] <jamalf> it doesn't have a driver line at all :
[17:37] <Arwen> jamalf, yeah, there's more autodetection in xorg now
[17:37] <Arwen> xrandr and stuff
[17:37] <jamalf> ohh
[17:37] <Nubae> its in that document
[17:37] <jamalf> well, i logged in and it gave me a white screen with a cursor :\
[17:37] <Nubae> an example xorg.conf
[17:38] <Arwen> huh, wine segfaults on start
[17:39] <jamalf> Would compiz try to start automatically if I installed fglrx?
[17:39] <Pici> I think theres a bug logged for that.
[17:39] <jamalf> I remember having a problem where the screen would go white due to compiz
[17:40] <flipstar> Arwen: wine-0.9.56 works for me ..
[17:40] <Arwen> I've got .55 - are you using an upstream one or something?
[17:41] <flipstar> i downloaded it from winehq
[17:41] <flipstar> its not yet in the repos
[17:41] <Arwen> yeah... I might go compile theirs manually
[17:41] <WorkingOnWis1> dencrypt: is icedtea done compiling?
[17:42] <dencrypt> WorkingOnWis1: yes.
[17:43] <WorkingOnWis1> dencrypt: how long dod it finally take?
[17:43] <Nubae> mine isn't
[17:43] <WorkingOnWis1> dod=did
[17:43] <Nubae> so... about 4 hours like dencrypt says
[17:43] <WorkingOnWis1> wow
[17:43] <dencrypt> yeah, somewhere around 4 hours
[17:43] <dencrypt> on my 6000+ x2 amd64
[17:44] <WorkingOnWis1> guess I'll start that and go to work!
[17:44] <dencrypt> only got 1gb ram though
[17:44] <jamalf> OH great, compiz has a segfault when I log in
[17:44] <jamalf> how can i disable compiz?
[17:44] <Nubae> i'm compiling on xeon processors with 8 gigs ram
[17:44] <Nubae> so no difference
[17:44] <WorkingOnWis1> Nubae: do they make that macing in a laptop?? haha
[17:44] <WorkingOnWis1> machine
[17:46] <Nubae> nah this is a hp rack server
[17:47]  * Nubae twiddles him thumbs waiting for java to compile
[17:48] <jamalf> Hardy hate sme
[17:50] <pushax> hi all.   on Alfpa 5 hardy heron has anyone had the problem with libpython not working properly?  I can't access soem control panel areas.  like monitor settings!
[17:51] <jamalf> so because of xrandr, I don't have to worry about putting the Driver line for it to use fglrx?
[17:51] <P2502> i wonder isnt OS codenames are for "internal" use? why they are used so much for everyone? 7.04, 7.10, 8.04 makes more sense for me.
[17:53] <jamalf> Ugh,. damn. I can't do this. I'm going to have to wait until Hardy is officially released... I can't get fglrx to work.
[17:53] <pushax> is there a offical repository for hardy heron
[17:53] <jamalf> pushax, yeah there is
[17:53] <flipstar> pushax: did you update recently the python thing should already be fixed..
[17:54] <pushax> flipstar: nope as I don't think I have the right repository in my source list
[17:54] <savvas> Anyone knows what this is: Feb 26 18:54:27 ubuntu -- MARK --
[17:54] <flipstar> there should be repos as default
[17:55] <pushax> flipstar:  hmmm let me check the ver
[17:55] <savvas> I get that a lot in my system logs
[17:56] <savvas> pushax: what's the name of the package?
[17:56] <pushax> 17 dec 2007 ver
[17:56] <savvas> libpythonize0 ?
[17:57] <pushax> savvas: I'm pretty new to linux.  package as in lipython?
[17:57] <pushax> I'm picking main reps in adept.  let me check if new items
[17:57] <savvas> well you said libpython isn't working, i can't find such package
[17:57] <pushax> I was using local mirrors
[17:57] <savvas> ah, kde.. can't help sorry :)
[17:58] <pushax> this build is so impressive with hd detection.  I loved how my ntfs drives auto found
[17:58] <savvas> pushax: if you're new to linux i wouldn't suggest using hardy heron, sometimes stuff break
[17:59] <lucasvo> hi
[17:59] <Unksi> hi
[17:59] <lucasvo> I have some FF3 incompatible addons that I really rely on. Can I downgrade to FF2?
[17:59] <pushax> savvas: I can work things out pretty quick.  I've used to run a redhat server in it's inital release.
[17:59] <pushax> just returned.
[18:00] <savvas> oh, welcome back hehe
[18:00] <flipstar> lucasvo: sure why not ?
[18:00] <lucasvo> also, is it because of current development, that it takes me so long to boot? will that get any better? any tips on how to optimize?
[18:00] <pushax> heheh thx.  mainly come back to do programming.  widows platform has become to restrictive
[18:01] <pushax> hheh widows...
[18:01] <savvas> lucasvo: you can download firefox 2 from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
[18:01] <lucasvo> savvas: Shouldn't I use apt?
[18:01] <savvas> lucasvo: extract it on desktop or somewhere in its own folder and run it
[18:02] <savvas> well... i'm not an expert in downgrading but.. hm..
[18:02] <lucasvo> savvas: I'll try downloading it.
[18:02] <flipstar> lucasvo: firefox 2 is not in the repos anymore
[18:02] <lucasvo> thanks for the help
[18:03] <lucasvo> is anyone using rescuetime?
[18:03] <savvas> lucasvo: have you tried firefox-2 ?
[18:03] <savvas> $ apt-cache policy firefox-2
[18:03] <savvas> firefox-2: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.0.0.12+2nobinonly+2-0ubuntu3
[18:03] <savvas> it's in my repos :p
[18:04] <smeuuh> hey, anyone else has a problem with restricted-modules ? i can't install it for some reason since i last updated
[18:04] <lucasvo> savvas: not in mine.
[18:04] <savvas> lucasvo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/firefox-2
[18:04] <savvas> scroll down to "download"
[18:04] <savvas> choose your architecture and a mirror :)
[18:04] <flipstar> okay right firefox2 is still in there ..
[18:05] <P2502> firefox 3 b4 soon
[18:06] <P2502> next week
[18:06] <flipstar> great, there were nice changes with every new beta :)
[18:13] <Assid> ff3 sucks donkeys buttocks
[18:13] <Arwen> argh... the "radeon" driver still has broken Xvideo...
[18:13] <Arwen> and fglrx is fubar too...
[18:13] <Arwen> dear god....
[18:16] <lucasvo> savvas: apparently there's no package for my architectuer
[18:16] <lucasvo> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/firefox-2/filelist
[18:16] <P2502> Assid:  javascript benchmark: FF2 29s, FF3 7s, http://cybernetnews.com/2008/02/25/firefox-3-performance-gets-a-boost/ now prove your point
[18:16] <flipstar> Assid: whats you problem with ff3 ?
[18:16] <dencrypt> YEAH!
[18:16] <dencrypt> tell
[18:16] <Assid> yahoo mail doesnt work
[18:17] <Assid> a few sites have issues working it
[18:17] <P2502> agree, but it is beta... maybe b4 will fix it
[18:17] <P2502> what i dont like is a how long FF3 in development
[18:18] <smeuuh> nobody has a problem with linux-restricted-modules ? for me there is only 2.6.24.9 available, but the metapackages seem to expect .10
[18:19] <savvas> lucasvo: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/firefox/firefox-2_2.0.0.12+2nobinonly+2-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[18:20] <savvas> you were supposed to click on the architecture, not the "file list" link :)
[18:22] <Arwen> someone - how do I install fglrx on xorg 7.3? There's no "device" section in xorg.conf
[18:26] <Milos_SD> why can't I install kernel update 2.6.24.10 ? :S
[18:26] <Arwen> not all of it is out yet?
[18:27] <Arwen> actually, I'm running -10 right now, but I had to kill the restricted modules
[18:27] <Assid> i think even if its beta.. if FF3 has a better js engine. it should work out of the box
[18:27] <Arwen> FF3 is.... broken
[18:27] <smeuuh> Milos_SD, so you have the same problem as me :)
[18:27] <smeuuh> it seems there is something wrong with linux-restricted-modules
[18:27] <Milos_SD> And nvidia driver problem (after restart it won't work)...
[18:28] <Arwen> anyone - how to install fglrx?
[18:28] <savvas> Milos_SD: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.24-10-generic
[18:28] <Milos_SD> I have to install nvidia.run after reboot
[18:28] <smeuuh> Milos_SD, i suppose we just have to wait
[18:28] <flipstar> what 2.6.24-1
[18:28] <savvas> what's your archive mirror? http://rs.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[18:28] <flipstar> what 2.6.24-10 is out ?? is still have 2.6.24-8 ..
[18:29] <savvas> flipstar: change your archive mirror to uk, gb or us
[18:29] <flipstar> i use the main server
[18:29] <savvas> uh weird
[18:29] <smeuuh> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic : no i386
[18:29] <smeuuh> i think that's the problem
[18:30] <savvas> hey hold a sec
[18:30] <savvas> 2.6.24-8-generic lol
[18:30] <Arwen> anyone - how to install fglrx?
[18:30] <flipstar> oh there it is in the new updates
[18:30] <savvas> flipstar: linux-image is still linked to version 2.6.24.8.8
[18:31] <Pici> !info linux
[18:31] <ubotu> linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.24.8.8 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[18:31] <sjuerges> having a problem with hardy, cant switch to a VT any more, screen goes black first then does weird color things (using nvidia restricted drivers)
[18:31] <Milos_SD> sjuerges, how did you installed nvidia restricted drivers?
[18:31] <savvas> Pici: looks like someone forgot to link it to the new kernel image? heh
[18:32] <sjuerges> restrcted driver manager
[18:32] <sjuerges> (before the update to hardy)
[18:33] <jamalf> Does anyone know why xorg-driver-fglrx would cause the screen to go black when the login screen loads?
[18:33] <jamalf> I don't know how to go to the Xorg log to look at it since it goes black right after Ubuntu is done booting up and I can't switch to a separate display to use the terminal.
[18:33] <Arwen> jamalf, because recent versions of all ATI drivers (win and lin) are broken
[18:34] <Arwen> broken beyond all recognition
[18:34] <h3sp4wn> jamalf: boot in recovery mode
[18:34] <h3sp4wn> and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:34] <Arwen> more importantly, how do I install fglrx for crying out loud?
[18:34] <Arwen> someone answer
[18:35] <h3sp4wn> restricted drivers thingy but if its broken do you really want to
[18:35] <flipstar> i dont have/like/use ati
[18:35] <Arwen> I need to
[18:35] <Arwen> xorg-video-ati is fubar
[18:35] <h3sp4wn> Its working here (I need to switch back to XiG at some point as I own a license)
[18:36] <Arwen> Well, I don't care if it works for you... it doesn't work here (XVideo color correction is BROKEN)
[18:40] <DanaG> Hmm.  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_tcore_release&num=1
[18:40] <h3sp4wn> Arwen: forget it easier if I just /ignore you
[18:42] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fosdem_08_bridgman&num=1
[18:43] <jamalf> Is there a way to tell what driver X is currently using?
[18:43] <Arwen> jamalf, glxinfo
[18:43] <DanaG> I'm hoping by summer ATI will be good enough for me to ditch NVIDIA.
[18:44] <sveri> i cant imagine to go back to ati
[18:44] <sveri> and i cant imagin ati making me come back
[18:44] <Arwen> DanaG, not going to happen
[18:44] <Arwen> it gets worse and worse each release
[18:44] <jamalf> lol
[18:45] <h3sp4wn> sveri: Its amd now though isn't it
[18:45] <sveri> h3sp4wn: i know, we'll see if the drivers will get better
[18:46] <Arwen> I can only say that they haven't... only worse
[18:46] <h3sp4wn> I am pretty happy with this quadro - perhaps ati/amd care more about the drivers for the fireGL stuff
[18:46] <jamalf> Hrm,.. so I got it to boot with fglrx
[18:46] <jamalf> But when I do fglrxinfo it says its using mesa as the opengl renderer :(
[18:47] <Arwen> dear dear... then you need to go fix it :-(
[18:47] <Arwen> but seriously, how do I specify fglrx instead of ati? xorg.conf looks way different to me than it used to
[18:47] <jamalf> Haha, yeah! If I could I would :(
[18:48] <jamalf> In the Device section
[18:48] <jamalf> Add Driver "fglrx"
[18:48] <Arwen> oh, that easy? hehe........
[18:48] <jamalf> Lol, maybe
[18:48] <jamalf> Its not really working for me
[18:48] <jamalf> But from what I've heard I have a pretty bad ATI card as far as Linux support goes
[18:48] <jamalf> Well, its not really even a card
[18:48] <Arwen> mine is even worse.
[18:49] <Arwen> X300SE -- no support anywhere
[18:49] <Arwen> and all kinds of weird rendering bugs
[18:49] <jamalf> Really? ... Oh ... Damn :(
[18:49] <Arwen> yeah... everything OpenGL displays with diagonal lines all over
[18:49] <Arwen> and the login screen is fubar
[18:49] <jamalf> Oh wow
[18:50] <jamalf> You win then, lol
[18:50] <Arwen> it was better back in Gutsy, but oh well...
[18:50] <jamalf> Yeah...
[18:50] <jamalf> I'm debating just going back until Hardy is officially released
[18:50] <Arwen> the open source driver worked better for me back in Feisty too :-(
[18:50] <jamalf> You can use the OS drivers?
[18:50] <Arwen> yeah, r300 core.
[18:50] <Arwen> but even 2d accel is kind of dodgy...
[18:50] <jamalf> I can't... I'm stuck to fglrx
[18:51] <Arwen> and damn wine takes forever to compile...
[18:51] <jamalf> Oh yeah, lol... compiling wine took me hours last time I did it
[18:51] <Arwen> it's misleading since the source is only slightly larger than MPlayer's :-P
[18:52] <Arwen> and MPlayer takes 5 minutes to build
[18:52] <jamalf> hahaha
[18:52] <Arwen> but you know, I hear Microsoft has a special cluster for building Windows and it just barely manages to compile daily
[18:52] <Arwen> so :-P
[18:53] <Arwen> (now if only "make" had a progress meter...)
[18:53] <jamalf> i know right!
[18:54]  * jamalf sighs
[18:54] <jamalf> I don't know what else to try...
[18:54] <Arwen> Microsoft Windows!
[18:54] <jamalf> hahaha
[18:54] <jamalf> riight
[18:54] <Arwen> actually, that wouldn't help me :-P
[18:54] <jamalf> lol
[18:54] <Arwen> it would still be broken
[18:54] <jamalf> why?
[18:55] <Arwen> same bugs in fglrx are present in current ATI Catalyst releases
[18:55] <Arwen> namely - fubar'ed GL
[18:57] <jamalf> oh lol
[18:57] <jamalf> i just wish i could load fglrx
[18:57] <jamalf> :(
[18:57] <Arwen> hah
[18:57] <Arwen> tried reading through /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[18:58] <jamalf> sort of
[18:58] <jamalf> i'll try looking again
[18:59] <Arwen> huh, wine compiling just finished -- installing may or may not succeed
[19:05] <francisco_> hi can i install hardy heron from kubuntu 7.10?
[19:06] <dencrypt> topic
[19:20] <Arwen> well, I managed to get fglrx to kind of work... no DR though
[19:28] <Assid> compiz is messed up again
[19:28] <Assid> once again i can see the black windows before they are "drawn"
[19:28] <dencrypt> we are so supprised :)
[19:30] <jamalf> With DRI is disabled would 3d acceleration never work?
[19:34] <Arwen> jamalf, still having issues with fglrx?
[19:35] <jamalf> Well, I get it running
[19:35] <jamalf> I have to disable DRI though
[19:35] <jamalf> And OpenGL says its using mesa
[19:35] <Arwen> you wouldn't happen to be on kernel 2.6.24-10 would you? the fglrx.ko module for that version doesn't exist yet :-P
[19:36] <napsy_> hm hardy has some serious issues with touchpad recognition
[19:36] <Pici> Log a bug then.
[19:36] <napsy_> i did
[19:37] <YahooLaptop> does hardy still use compiz fusion like gutsy?
[19:37] <napsy_> nop
[19:37] <Pici> It uses it
[19:38] <napsy_> compozite is enabled but gnome doesn't use compiz for effects
[19:38] <smeuuh> hey, why wouldn't this package have an i386 version ? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic
[19:38] <Pici> smeuuh: Because it isnt built/uploaded yet.
[19:40] <bardyr> has anybody successfully installed the latest kernel?
[19:40] <Arwen> bardyr, -10? I have
[19:40] <bardyr> ye
[19:40] <Arwen> smeuuh, the maintainer screwed up
[19:41] <jianfei> hi, does anyone know a good desktop sidebar for hardy?
[19:41] <smeuuh> i hope  he fixes that soon, i'm afraid to reboot now :)
[19:41] <Arwen> I'm ticked off too, he killed my 3d acceleration
[19:41] <Arwen> but even worse is the firefox dev...
[19:42] <jpatrick> smeuuh: seems to be built: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/2.6.10.5-1.1
[19:42] <rsk> let's not get grumpy
[19:42] <Arwen> jpatrick, that's 2.6.10 :-P
[19:42] <rsk> you know things are in development
[19:42] <Pici> Please stop complaining about the developers. This is a support channel, not a place to whine about bugs.
[19:42] <Arwen> not 2.6.24-10
[19:42] <bardyr> :D
[19:43] <Pici> s/bugs/bugs and devs/
[19:43] <Arwen> well, someone go tell the firefox maintainer to rebuild the package. It installs nothing.
[19:43] <void^> there's a reason why you should look at the list of packages to be upgraded, and the list of held back packages
[19:43] <YahooLaptop> [rant] too many people talk in #ubuntu :(
[19:43] <Arwen> people talk in IRC channels? who woulda know :)
[19:44] <YahooLaptop> i know, its _supposed_ to be idle relay chat
[19:44] <DanaG> bug 121833
[19:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[19:44] <Arwen> void^, there isn't a functional version lol
[19:44] <Arwen> but anway, it's not inhibiting use (although I can't compile VLC because of him...)
[19:44] <DanaG> Hmm, commited.  Any ETA on the fix arriving in repos?
[19:45] <jamalf> Arwen, Sorry I was away for a bit. No, I'm on 2.6.24-8
[19:45] <Arwen> jamalf, oh, never mind then :-)
[19:46]  * Arwen waits patiently for new packages to roll out...
[19:46] <Arwen> but at least I got my Xvideo now and that's all I really needed
[19:47] <YahooLaptop> so are the Realtek 8187B drivers in hardy? :p
[19:47] <jamalf> Arwen, Lol I found info on bug 189343
[19:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189343 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "DRI doesn't work with fglrx 8.01" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189343
[19:48] <jamalf> I tried submitting a ticket to ATI to see if they have looked at that at all...
[19:48] <jamalf> The chances of them reading/answering me are very close to none though, at least that's what I assume
[19:48] <YahooLaptop> ATI have been good in the past for me, in terms of responding, their responses suck though
[19:48] <Arwen> jamalf, 8.01?
[19:49] <jamalf> Arwen, Its the issue with any fglrx, not just 8.01
[19:49] <jamalf> That's what the title says
[19:49] <Arwen> ah
[19:49] <jamalf> I have the same issue. I can't use DRI with fglrx
[19:49] <jamalf> That may not be the reason things aren't working, but that's all I have right now :\
[19:50] <Arwen> that would explain a lot of things...
[19:50] <jamalf> I'm tired of dealing with drivers for today though
[19:50] <jamalf> I'm leaving it as it is and just waiting for a fix
[19:51]  * jamalf wonders why some updates for xorg-driver-fglrx just showed up...
[19:52] <Arwen> they did?
[19:52] <jamalf> I don't know
[19:52] <jamalf> I mean, for me yes
[19:52] <jamalf> But I don't know if its just me screwing things up or if its a new package
[19:52] <Arwen> hmm, updating packages lists...
[20:00] <Mohero> 'lo all
[20:00] <muszek> I wrote a bug reports - many programs are affected (audio conflicts between two groups of apps) and I don't know how to file it (what package?).  Could someone please take a look at http://www.muszek.com/hardy-audio-bug and tell me?
[20:00] <muszek> s/reports/report
[20:03] <thegve> Good evening. I am trying to run either Eclipse or Netbeans(my preverred IDE), but both fail to run. The first is probably messed up by myself (whatever) but Netbeans seams to have libnb-apisupport1-java as a dependency which in turn requires a java7 platform.
[20:03] <thegve> As I read in the FAQ IcedTea does not yet support Sound, SNMP or Javascript, I wonder if this isn't a bit too early to already require java7 at this stage.
[20:04] <thegve> is there a reason besides the fact that it is opensource to have icedtea as a dependency
[20:07] <thegve> Hardy is rock stable compared to dapper and up I used in their testing stages by the way, really suprised
[20:08] <h3sp4wn> thegve: Look on the sun bugzilla for the libxcb issue
[20:09] <Yaroze> nice that FF3 doesnt respect workspaces...
[20:09] <thegve> sound in icedtea: ETA: before the end of August
[20:09] <thegve> Yaroze: And has a LOT of rendering issues
[20:09] <thegve> like taskbars being rendered here and there in the webpages
[20:10] <h3sp4wn> Its fine for me (except I use 32 bit firefox2 on my core2)
[20:10] <thegve> And long usernames in the messenger/chat window of gmail being rendered over the inbox
[20:10] <h3sp4wn> No issues with it on 32 bit on my pentium m
[20:10] <thegve> But it's a lot faster
[20:10] <thegve> compared to 2
[20:10] <h3sp4wn> (other than the certificates thing being a bit annoying)
[20:10] <thegve> so I expect stuff to improve
[20:11] <Arwen> image rendering still has issues :-\
[20:11] <h3sp4wn> Things are usually faster until they get closer to release
[20:11] <h3sp4wn> then hacks / security updates patches make the end up dog slow
[20:11] <thegve> I like the way the "shall I remember your password" thingie works. The page keeps loading in the background, makes me actually read the question and not randomly click to get the popup away
[20:12] <h3sp4wn> I think I prefer konqueror4 (But I don't use any other kde4 stuff so I am not using it at the moment)
[20:13] <muszek> I liked Opera's handling of passwords better... it can save passwords per unique URL or per domain (firefox does only the latter), so that I could have different user/pass for localhost/one and localhsot/two
[20:13] <Assid> okay after the lat set of updates
[20:13] <Assid> the brightness panel (for laptop) doesnt work right
[20:13] <Arwen> anyone know how to make firefox 3's tab bar span onto multiple rows instead of scrolling?
[20:15] <thegve> muszek: I have 3 gmail accounts, password remembering for all three of them won't work at all, but that's hard to safely overcome I think
[20:15] <Assid> anyone know the binary the runs when you increase/decrease brightness on a laptop?
[20:15] <Assid> some applet or somethig i think
[20:16] <Assid> nvm got it
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> Assid: At least on my thinkpad that is in hardware
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> (Doesn't stop gnome resetting it though which is annoying )
[20:21] <thegve> h3sp4wn: A probably stupid question: Where would I find the sun bugzilla? I am searching for it but I can't find it
[20:22] <oliver_g_> hello
[20:23] <void^> thegve: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373
[20:24] <oliver_g_> do you know where to get the public key for the dbgsym packages for hardy?
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> thegve: take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/191579 also (The workaround is LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 in /etc/environment)
[20:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191579 in libxcb "Java crashes while accessing X11" [Undecided,Invalid]
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> Perhaps thats the wrong one
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> Speaking of Sun somehow on one of my machines I have managed to add the Open Terminal button to my right click menu (but I cannot for the life of me repeat it on the other)
[20:27] <thegve> h3sp4wn: It is the problem I have indeed
[20:27] <thegve> A lot of "this is not my problem" stuff on the bugs.sun.com link
[20:27] <thegve> The bug get's redirected a lot :)
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> Yep I suppose it isn't suns fault people want to mess with xlib
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> It should be upto them to make sure its 100% compatible
[20:30] <DanaG> So much for Intel wireless being best for Linux.....
[20:30] <DanaG> When I resume from suspend with my wireless hotkey off, my wifi card breaks.
[20:31] <DanaG> If I try to rmmod or modprobe -r the iwl3945 module, rmmod or modprobe just hangs.
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> The best would have to have working and reliable WDS
[20:32] <Arwen> info bug 93332
[20:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93332 in wajig "wajig suggests 'base-config' not packaged in ubuntu" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93332
[20:32] <Arwen> how can you release a fix but be undecided about it?
[20:34] <jfanaian> What's better/recommended, gnash or flashplugin?
[20:34] <Arwen> Adobe Flash
[20:34] <Arwen> better at least
[20:35] <jfanaian> Ah okay
[20:35] <jfanaian> I think I'm having the problem you were having earlier with Flash lol
[20:36] <jfanaian> Heh, flash crashes whenever it tries to play audio
[20:40] <ionstorm> my restricted-modules is broken, any idea why this could be
[20:40] <Arwen> ionstorm, did you upgrade to kernel 2.6.24-10?
[20:40] <ionstorm> yea
[20:40] <Arwen> are you on i386?
[20:40] <ionstorm> I cannot get the restricted modules for it
[20:40] <ionstorm> yea
[20:40] <Arwen> the dev screwed up
[20:41] <ionstorm> o
[20:41] <Arwen> he forgot to package them
[20:41] <ionstorm> should I grab i386?
[20:41] <Arwen> it won't help
[20:41] <ionstorm> shit
[20:41] <Arwen> you can revert to -8 kernel or wait it out
[20:41] <jpatrick> !ohmy | ionstorm
[20:41] <ubotu> ionstorm: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[20:41] <ionstorm> thanks
[20:41] <Arwen> on another note...
[20:42] <ionstorm> yea, -8 is broken for me
[20:42] <Arwen> !info firefox-3.0-dev
[20:42] <ionstorm> -7 works
[20:42] <ubotu> firefox-3.0-dev (source: firefox-3.0): Development files for Mozilla Firefox. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 8 kB, installed size 128 kB
[20:42] <Arwen> b0rk3d :-)
[20:42] <ionstorm> lol
[20:42] <Arwen> 8kB lol
[20:42] <heret1c> can anyone do anything with the ff3 > edit > preferences > applications window?
[20:43] <DanaG> This is my impression of flash:   *segfault*
[20:43] <Arwen> heret1c, not me
[20:43] <Arwen> DanaG, wine is broken like that too :-)
[20:43] <DanaG> Browsing YouTube is miserable -- it segfaults every three pages or so.
[20:43] <ionstorm> nvidia is broke in -8 kernel right?
[20:43] <Arwen> dunno, I have ATI. It's always broken.
[20:43]  * Arwen curses...
[20:43] <ionstorm> lol
[20:44] <jfanaian> Arwen, what's wrong with firefox-3.0-dev?
[20:44] <oliver_g_> heret1c: do what? it works here at first glance
[20:44] <Arwen> jfanaian, look at the sizes
[20:44] <heret1c> DanaG: works fine here (flv-in-ff3)
[20:44] <Arwen> it's empty :-)
[20:44] <jfanaian> Oh! Lol
[20:44] <jfanaian> The dev packages
[20:44] <Arwen> it's preventing me from compiling my software :-(
[20:44] <jfanaian> So audio is not working in flash?
[20:45] <Arwen> if I use firefox-2-dev instead would that work?
[20:45] <Arwen> jfanaian, works here
[20:45] <heret1c> oliver_g_:  h'm. it is for setting up external helper apps, yes? can type into the "search" box, but nothing happens
[20:45] <jfanaian> oh :\
[20:45] <jfanaian> wow cool
[20:45] <oliver_g_> heret1c: works here
[20:45] <jfanaian> if you close gnome-panel it opens back up on its own
[20:46] <oliver_g_> heret1c: if i type asf, it hides all entries except for two (for ASF video)
[20:46] <Arwen> !find kdesudo
[20:46] <ubotu> Found: kdesudo, kdesudo-kde4
[20:46] <heret1c> oliver_g_: curious.
[20:47] <oliver_g_> heret1c: what firefox version do you have?
[20:47] <jfanaian> Hardy doesn't like me... Gutsy was nicer to me :(
[20:47] <oliver_g_> i have ff 3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 installed
[20:48] <heret1c> oliver_g_: same as u.
[20:48] <oliver_g_> heret1c: can you edit items in the list? like, change the action for MP3 to "always ask"?
[20:49] <heret1c> oliver_g_: the icon at the end of the "search" box (presumably "find"?) is greyed out here
[20:49] <heret1c> don'y gey a list.
[20:49] <heret1c>         get
[20:49] <oliver_g_> heret1c: that button is the clear button
[20:50] <Arwen> Under KDE, starting GTK+ apps using kdesu/sudo/whatever causes them to use the default theme. This is different from Gutsy. Is there a fix?
[20:50] <oliver_g_> if you type in the search box, the button should be activated
[20:50] <Arwen> oliver_g_, I just see a blank square
[20:51] <oliver_g_> Arwen: the whole tab is blank?
[20:51] <heret1c> oliver_g_: anything I type - nothing happens.
[20:51] <Arwen> well, there's a search entry, a greyed out "clear" button and a black square underneath
[20:51] <Arwen> s/black/grey
[20:51] <oliver_g_> Arwen: wow...
[20:51] <oliver_g_> Arwen: how many firefox updates have you done on that installation already?
[20:52] <oliver_g_> :-)
[20:52] <Arwen> err, none
[20:52] <oliver_g_> hmm
[20:52] <oliver_g_> I had two FF updates so far I think
[20:52] <Arwen> I just upgraded yesterda
[20:53] <oliver_g_> Arwen: do you have 3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 installed?
[20:53] <Arwen> yes
[20:53] <oliver_g_> did you upgrade from Gutsy?
[20:53] <Arwen> yes
[20:53] <Arwen> was I not supposed to?
[20:53] <oliver_g_> then maybe FF didn't cope with the transition from FF2 to FF3?
[20:54] <Arwen> dunno, I tried with a clean profile and I just installed firefox fresh after upgrading
[20:54]  * oliver_g_ doesn't trust the update mechanisms :-)
[20:54] <oliver_g_> Arwen: in that case I suppose it would create a new clean profile
[20:54]  * Arwen was using a Mozilla Corp build until he got to 3.0b3 --> fonts stopped working
[20:55] <oliver_g_> Arwen: can you type in the search box? does it do anything?
[20:55] <Arwen> can type, does nothing
[20:58] <bardyr> has anyone noticed that udevd has gone crazy? and printing [  651.483895] device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table [  651.484822] device-mapper: table: 253:1: liear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed in dmesg every 0.01 ms
[20:58] <bardyr> i cant seem to find any open bugs on launchpad
[20:58] <Arwen> bardyr, doesn't happen here
[20:58] <bardyr> and i dont want to open a bugreport before i get the -10 kernel updated
[20:59] <jianfei> just installed updates and my res has dropped to 800*600? any ideas?
[20:59] <bardyr> jianfei, nvidia/ati?
[20:59] <jianfei> yeh
[20:59] <jianfei> :-(
[20:59] <flipstar> oO
[20:59] <flipstar> nvidia OR ati ..
[20:59] <jianfei> nvidia
[21:00] <flipstar> you installed the driver by yourself ?
[21:00] <bardyr> jianfei, start nvidia-settings what does it say?
[21:00] <jianfei> auto update
[21:00] <bardyr> jianfei, you probably need the restricted-modules for the new kernel
[21:01] <flipstar> i thought they would do that by themself..(?)
[21:02] <jianfei> cant even get to system the res is to low
[21:02] <Assid> reboot
[21:02] <Assid> rb
[21:03] <Arwen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/182038 <-- why should the video driver affect firefox rendering? unless firefox somehow gained OpenGL rendering abilities between 2.x and now
[21:03] <moomo1> help
[21:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182038 in xulrunner-1.9 "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Medium,Confirmed]
[21:04] <Arwen> moomo1, with?
[21:04] <moomo1> today my ubuntu updated, 44 updates
[21:04] <moomo1> and now it dont works
[21:04] <Arwen> !doesn't work
[21:04] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[21:04] <moomo1> before i had pretty desktop with compiz, now it said it didnt detect my stuff, so it was like 640x480 with vesa or vga
[21:04] <moomo1> now i manually put it to NVIDIA 8600 in screen & graphics
[21:04] <Arwen> haha, I assume your kernel updated right?
[21:05] <moomo1> i think so
[21:05] <Arwen> and you were using binary drivers?
[21:05] <moomo1> yes
[21:05] <Arwen> and your PC architechture is i386?
[21:05] <moomo1> yes
[21:05] <Arwen> then you'll just have to wait till new restricted modules show up
[21:05] <moomo1> oh
[21:05] <jianfei> my gfx is nvidia 7600
[21:06] <jianfei> i dont see any restriced drivers
[21:06] <moomo1> it updates to 2.6.24.10 before it was 2.6.24.4 i think, and i had proprietary nvidia-gfx-new driver
[21:06] <moomo1> when will it come new restricted modules ?
[21:06] <moomo1> its one restricted module in Update Manager, but its "gray" so i acnt install it
[21:06] <thegve> I have just updated everything, I think it is wise to keep my system running until the new restricted modules arive ....
[21:06] <Arwen> when someone from the kernel team realizes they screwed up
[21:06] <moomo1> oh ok
[21:06] <SeveredHead> Hello everyone.
[21:06] <moomo1> my mouse double-clicks instead of single clicks too :(
[21:06] <moomo1> why is this?
[21:06] <SeveredHead> Does anyone happen to know if there are Wine problems in Hardy?
[21:06] <SeveredHead> (Figured I'd jump in here and ask before Googling)
[21:07] <thegve> But a 'normal update' keeps a previous one in the menulst I think?
[21:07] <thegve> SeveredHead: Or look it up in launchpad
[21:07] <thegve> I was having wine problems in Hardy
[21:07] <thegve> but I blamed myself for that
[21:07] <Arwen> wine is currently broken
[21:07] <thegve> I used some scripts I shouldn't use
[21:07] <moomo1> well just cuz it updated kernel, it shouldnt make graphics driver incompatible
[21:08] <moomo1> my wine dont even work in hardy
[21:08] <Arwen> moomo1, it does because part of the driver is in the kernel
[21:08] <Arwen> and that part is proprietary
[21:08] <h3sp4wn> Wine segfaults straight away here (on amd64 anyway)
[21:08] <Arwen> same here
[21:09] <Arwen> the old Gutsy version works, and supposedly manually compiling does too
[21:09] <jianfei> i'll reboot
[21:09] <heret1c> *phew*
[21:09] <SeveredHead> Yeah, there's a segfault bug.
[21:09] <SeveredHead> Bug #191575
[21:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191575 in wine "wine segfaults on winecfg" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191575
[21:10] <h3sp4wn> Is there a workaround that takes 5 mins or less ?
[21:10] <SeveredHead> People say the 0.9.54 Gutsy package works.
[21:10] <h3sp4wn> If there isn't I can wait
[21:10] <Arwen> h3sp4wn, if you haven't ignored me, the old one works and you can manually build .56 from upstream
[21:10] <h3sp4wn> I don't actually need it quite yet
[21:11] <Arwen> so he did ignore me.... his problem then
[21:11] <h3sp4wn> (still not too sure whether I trust works in wine to mean works in windows for my program though)
[21:11] <heret1c> Oooo... serious stuff to apt-get upgrade now...
[21:12] <smallfoot-> thank god i ahve windows xp, since i cant rely on hardy alpha for mission critical objectives such as porno, as it now dont work due to the update
[21:12] <SeveredHead> Hmm...
[21:12] <smallfoot-> how long does it take until they fix the nvidia graphics?
[21:13] <SeveredHead> Whoo, no segfault. ^__^
[21:13] <h3sp4wn> What is wrong with them I just got a new kernel + restricted modules
[21:13] <smallfoot-> also, on kernel.org there is 2.6.24.3, so how can ubuntu have 2.6.24.10 ????
[21:13] <h3sp4wn> why not just boot the old kernel for the time being
[21:13] <Assid> smallfoot-: who knows
[21:13] <h3sp4wn> it doesn't
[21:13] <smallfoot-> but it says it does
[21:13] <h3sp4wn> it has 2.6.24-10
[21:13] <smallfoot-> oh ok
[21:14] <smallfoot-> shouldnt it be 2.6.24-ubuntu10 then?
[21:14] <h3sp4wn> the -10 is the ubuntu release number and means nothing under any other context
[21:14] <smallfoot-> oh
[21:14] <h3sp4wn> and its based on 2.6.24 - thats all that matters
[21:14] <smallfoot-> well 2.6.24 is vulnerable to security vulnerabity, it got fixed in 2.6.24.1
[21:14] <smallfoot-> so now im using old unsecure version, this is not acceptable!
[21:15] <Arwen> smallfoot-, the fixes were probably backported
[21:15] <Arwen> instead of the entire kernel
[21:15] <h3sp4wn> There is no security updates for development releases
[21:15] <smallfoot-> oh ok
[21:15] <h3sp4wn> but that should be in anyway by now anyway
[21:15] <smallfoot-> then why should ppl want use development release, if there are no security update, and they can get hacked?
[21:15] <jianfei> still 800*600
[21:15] <Arwen> oh, incidentally, one of the cooler features of 2.6.24 is uvesafb which... doesn't work on Gutsy.
[21:16] <Arwen> smallfoot-, to... test them and well, develop?
[21:16] <smallfoot-> uvesafb?
[21:16] <Arwen> uvesafb is the next-generation vesafb
[21:16] <smallfoot-> Arwen, well i cant test them if its unsecure
[21:16] <smallfoot-> oh cool, what its good for? why its better than vesafb?
[21:16] <h3sp4wn> smallfoot-: Thats not the purpose of it
[21:16] <Arwen> it's better because you can use custom resolutions
[21:16] <smallfoot-> and does anyone really use vesafb when they can use like nv, or nvidia?
[21:16] <Arwen> it makes your tty consoles shinier
[21:16] <smallfoot-> oh
[21:16] <smallfoot-> oh
[21:16] <smallfoot-> i like shiny
[21:17] <oliver_g_> smallfoot-: you can test it locally first
[21:17] <oliver_g_> smallfoot-: no problems with security holes then :-)
[21:17] <smallfoot-> oliver_g_, test what?
[21:17] <smallfoot-> oliver_g_, but then i cant use internet, then i cant test the internet stuffs
[21:18] <smallfoot-> is it reported that 2.6.24-10 kernel update breaks the nvidia graphics on i386?
[21:18] <Arwen> smallfoot-, typically to exploit a kernel flaw, the attacker needs to have local access. Unless its a flaw in tcp/ip of course.
[21:18] <smallfoot-> so they know to fix it?
[21:18] <oliver_g_> smallfoot-: what bug was fixed in 2.6.24.1 then?
[21:18] <smallfoot-> oliver_g_, a kernel security bug i read on the internet
[21:18] <Assid> smallfoot-: breaks ?
[21:18] <smallfoot-> assasukasse, well my desktop isnt pretty when i updated to 2.6.24-10 anymore, before i had compiz and bling now its like 1980 computer
[21:19] <smallfoot-> Assid*
[21:19] <jianfei> lol, mine looks like my old 286
[21:19] <assasukasse> smallfoot-: compiz and the other compositors are just memory hogs and resource wasters..CLI is the answer
[21:19] <Oli``> The kernel security hole was a local exploit though wasn't it? So it's only a security risk if somebody (not you) has exploit permissions on your box, which probably would only be the case if you're running a public ssh server... no?
[21:19] <Assid> so compiz is broken again ?
[21:20] <smallfoot-> assasukasse, but CLI isnt pretty, i use compiz, i have a 3d cube, and my windows gets "beamed up" and when i close them, they burn in fire, its cool!
[21:20] <Assid> assasukasse: technology wouldnt move if cli was the answer
[21:20] <assasukasse> actually i think that plain metacity does its work very good
[21:20] <Assid> smallfoot-: exactly same effects on my desktop
[21:21] <smallfoot-> Assid, yeah its so cool :D
[21:21] <assasukasse> i think ppl should concentrate more on drivers and modules
[21:21] <smallfoot-> but not anymore, because 2.6.24-10 broke it, so now it looks junk
[21:21] <smallfoot-> thats why they need to make another update
[21:21] <Arwen> I don't use compiz... it makes everything slow
[21:21] <smallfoot-> or a "System Restore"
[21:22] <Arwen> smallfoot-, you could just reinstall the 2.6.24-8 kernel and use that instead
[21:22] <h3sp4wn> If they did a system restore then me -> Debian
[21:22] <smallfoot-> Arwen, i dont know how
[21:22] <jianfei> me either
[21:23] <h3sp4wn> (Unless they implimented it so well that it was perfect but that would take years of really serious work)
[21:23] <Arwen> smallfoot-, jianfei, it's in the package list - install it and choose it at bootup
[21:23] <napsy_> can I somehow force tracker to index a directory?
[21:23] <smallfoot-> oh
[21:24] <smallfoot-> so i guess that nvidia graphics driver dont work anymore is not a bug
[21:27] <flipstar> damn im afraid now of booting the new kernel :/
[21:28] <heret1c> h'm.
[21:29] <Arwen> fortunately for me, even without the kernel module, fglrx can load with 2d accel
[21:29] <Arwen> yay 4 me
[21:29] <heret1c> flipstar: worked here (qed)
[21:29] <flipstar> with nvidia drivers ?
[21:29] <heret1c> nope.
[21:29] <heret1c> intel
[21:30] <Arwen> heh, Intel
[21:30] <flipstar> whats qed ?
[21:31] <heret1c> which is hereby demonstrated
[21:32] <heret1c> quod erat demonstrandum, afaicr.
[21:32] <flipstar> oh .. okay :)
[21:34] <Arwen> demonstratum, perfect participle
[21:35] <jianfei> back on 2.6.24-8 and 1680*1050 res, thanks
[21:39] <heret1c> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ 8)
[21:40] <Arwen> heret1c, lame
[21:40]  * Arwen thinks there's no contest there. Aero is just plain awesome.
[21:40] <heret1c> even has a happy ending.
[21:41] <flipstar> bad quality ..
[21:41] <heret1c> Arwen:  you'd probably fall asleep if u saw my desktop.
[21:42] <Arwen> hmm?
[21:42]  * DanaG performs an impression of Flash:
[21:42] <DanaG> *segfault*
[21:42] <flipstar> use vlc like i do :P
[21:42] <DanaG> That's what it does more often than anything else.
[21:43] <Arwen> gah, firefox 3 doesn't check RSS feeds automatically
[21:44] <DanaG> Can't use VLC for flash in Firefox, can you?
[21:44] <Arwen> no, you can't
[21:44] <flipstar> no, not in firefox
[21:44]  * Arwen doesn't want his browser showing videos anyway so that's a non-issue
[21:45]  * DanaG uses adblock plus.
[21:45] <flipstar> *uses adblock plus&nocript
[21:46] <DanaG> NoScript is too annoying for me.
[21:46] <flipstar> i just used "clive --player="/usr/bin/vlc %i --fullscreen" --play=src <url>"
[21:46] <flipstar> didnt even had to open firefox
[21:47] <Arwen> which would be a good thing since firefox is broken, but..
[21:48] <heret1c> Arwen> screenshot.
[21:48] <Arwen> of?
[21:48] <flipstar> ..here it works also in firefox..
[21:49] <heret1c> Arwen> erk. i'm not registered.
[21:50] <heret1c> Arwen> desktop.
[21:51] <Arwen> bug 182038
[21:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182038 in xulrunner-1.9 "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182038
[22:04] <heret1c> slow night.
[22:04] <dencrypt> yeah
[22:04] <Arwen> mm hmm
[22:04]  * heret1c amuses himself by youtubing +reptilian +reporter
[22:05] <dencrypt> I just took a break from my wiki-work. Might get to bed soon.
[22:05]  * Arwen patiently waits for linux-restricted-modules
[22:06] <heret1c>  -generic
[22:06]  * Arwen impatiently waits for firefox-3.0-dev
[22:06] <heret1c> hitting apt-get update every minute, eh? 9=
[22:09] <Kuni> gah
[22:10] <Kuni> the update to linux headers .10 killed my graphics! It doesn't recognize the card anymore
[22:10] <Arwen> Kuni, NVIDIA/ATI? i386?
[22:10] <Kuni> nvidia i386, yes
[22:11] <Arwen> yep, restricted modules aren't out yet...
[22:11] <Kuni> gah
[22:11] <heret1c> held back
[22:11] <Kuni> well be back in a bit then.
[22:11] <Assid> Kuni: so no compiz ?
[22:11] <Kuni> yeah, no compiz
[22:12] <Assid> your atleast able to use metacity right?
[22:12] <Kuni> I did manage to get my resolution back to 1920x1200 though
[22:12] <Kuni> yes
[22:12] <Assid> xorg got overwritten ?
[22:12] <Kuni> but my screenlets are really starting to tick me off. :)
[22:12] <Kuni> dunno, but it wasn't reading right, so I reconfigured it
[22:13] <Kuni> well, I'll be back shortly
[22:13] <dutchpot> you're luckier than me, I'm stuck in 800x600 right now ;-)
[22:13] <dutchpot> ...what's up with my name
[22:13] <Arwen> Funny, my setup still works
[22:13] <Arwen> yay 4 separate 2d and 3d acceleration
[22:15] <bardyr> does anybody have any experience with preload?
[22:16] <ppvanzella> Hi! I got a bit of a problem here: Todays update broke python
[22:17] <ppvanzella> so now Miro doesn't rum
[22:17] <ppvanzella> run
[22:20] <crimsun_> ppvanzella: more specifically?
[22:21] <ppvanzella> crimsun_: well, when I run miro (which wasn't updated, and was running fine so far, it returns ImportError: No module named _bsddb
[22:21] <ppvanzella> which I found to be a python problem
[22:21] <Kuni> gah
[22:22] <Kuni> any news on linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic's release?
[22:22] <Arwen> nope
[22:22] <FrankQ> should find the bug link, probably
[22:22] <lime4x4> anyone else having trouble coping a large file to another network share? I always get connection timed out issues when coping big file from hardy to gusty
[22:23] <Kuni> I almost feel like booting into vista...
[22:23] <crimsun_> Kuni:
[22:23] <crimsun_>  2.6.24.9-10.27
[22:23] <crimsun_> Published in hardy-release 18 minutes ago
[22:23] <FrankQ> same here, first time in ages I've had the thought o booting into something else ;-)
[22:23] <FrankQ> Though honestly, Ubuntu is actually amazingly usable on low resolutions compared to windows.
[22:23] <jianfei> crimsun: does it fix the nvidia issue?
[22:24] <RoC_MasterMind> what issue?
[22:24] <lime4x4> i just installed the nvidia drivers 169.09 from nvidias website
[22:24] <crimsun_> jianfei: no idea; I don't use l-r-m.
[22:25] <thompa> need help. I can load the modules acer-acpi and ath_pci but no wireless coming up
[22:25] <Arwen> someone forgot to make kde depend on python2.5-dev....
[22:25] <ppvanzella> Arwen: someone forgot to do a lot with python it seems ><
[22:26] <thompa> i heard that acer-acpi has been backported for 2.6.24
[22:26] <thompa> backported as wmi-acer?
[22:26] <so1> hi
[22:26] <Kuni> crimsun_: I've checked released and proposed, can't get it in either place
[22:26]  * DanaG hates iwl3945 -- lately it's formed the habit of breaking after suspend and resume.
[22:26] <Arwen> crimsun_, it's not out
[22:27] <crimsun_> Kuni: because it was just uploaded recently.
[22:27] <Kuni> ah
[22:27] <DanaG> .... and if I try to modprobe -r the module, modprobe simply hangs.
[22:27] <so1> mhhh iwl3945 doesn't work here, too
[22:27] <DanaG> So much for Intel being "Better for Linux".
[22:27] <crimsun_> DanaG: even with today's l-u-m?
[22:27]  * Arwen hates fglrx - it's broken
[22:27] <Arwen> And ATI has no intention of fixing it
[22:27] <so1> i can activate/deactivate it, but it doesn't show any wireless aps anymore ...
[22:28] <DanaG> It only breaks if I have the hotkey turned OFF at suspend.
[22:28] <thompa> i can apparently load modules but they do nothing
[22:28] <so1> i have a wired and a wireless nic, but networkmanager shows eth0, eth1 and wlan0_rename ---
[22:28] <thompa> glad im not alone here
[22:28] <Arwen> why are you glad other people have problems? o.O
[22:29] <Arwen> misery loves company?
[22:29] <thompa> no
[22:29] <FrankQ> means it's not just him
[22:29] <Arwen> oh yeah, shell completion with mplayer is broken. Can't complete pathnames with spaces
[22:30] <thompa> means there is a discussion going
[22:30] <ppvanzella> Arwen: it's exactly the same on Fedora 8
[22:30] <Arwen> oh yeah, is the "lzma" tool compatible with 7-zip?
[22:31] <ppvanzella> Arwen: so I guess it's a problem with mplayer, not with the packaged version
[22:31] <thompa> i wish i kept the earlier kernels to test, can i get them back?
[22:31] <Arwen> thompa, apt-get install :-P
[22:31] <DanaG> Fix for odd names: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules.
[22:31] <FrankQ> "apt-get install :-P". Never heard of that before!!
[22:32] <DanaG> It reeeeally needs to generate rules for wmaster interfaces, too.
[22:32] <DanaG> !aptitude
[22:32] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[22:33] <thompa> FrankQ: i need 2.6.24-4 i think.. only -8 is there
[22:33] <DanaG> dmesg | grep "wme:wme_qdiscop_enqueue ht_queue=4,queue=2 pool=0xF qdisc=f76ae280" | wc -l
[22:33] <DanaG> 1541
[22:33] <thompa> acer acpi stopped working after 2.6.24-4
[22:34] <FrankQ> thompa: Sorry, my joke misfired.
[22:34] <thompa> well now it has
[22:35] <Kuni> FrankQ: with :-P you really want to use aptitude to make sure you can remove the dependencies when you get rid of it.
[22:36] <RAOF> DanaG: Is that with 2.6.24-10?  It's meant to be fixed there.
[22:37] <DanaG> I'm on .8, actually.
[22:37] <FrankQ> Kuni: True. Then again, nobody in his/her right mind would wish to get rid of :-P
[22:37] <DanaG> I like to see complete changelogs before I install things.
[22:38] <thompa> im going to reinstall, is -10 in daily build already?
[22:38] <Kuni> FrankQ: I did. I much prefer :þ
[22:38] <h3sp4wn> Don't reinstall just install the old kernel from a live cd
[22:39] <thompa> good idea
[22:39] <FrankQ> Kuni: If you prefer to use propetiary smileys, that's your call, I guess.
[22:40] <lime4x4> is hardy limiting network connection file transfer to 1.4 megs per sec?
[22:41] <bardyr> lime4x4, nope?
[22:42] <crimsun_> DanaG: I think you just need a new pin config block
[22:42] <crimsun_> s#just##
[22:42] <Kuni> oh why does it take so long to show up?
[22:42] <lime4x4> on my local network i can only tranfer files at 1.4 megs per sec and my local network is hardwired to a 10/100/1000 switch
[22:42] <DanaG> Sorry, I had an X crash when switching compositing on Metacity on.
[22:43] <crimsun_> I just got my hands on a new model, so I can do some limited testing in the evenings
[22:43] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the last thing I saw was "is hardy limiting network connection file transfer to 1.4 megs per sec?"
[22:43] <FrankQ> then you didn't miss any lines
[22:43] <DanaG> That reminds me: I can only connect at 24 or 36 megabits in Linux; in Windows, I can get 54.
[22:44] <rsk> probably driver limitation
[22:44] <rsk> or missconfiguration
[22:44] <DanaG> Oh, and the formal bug number for my STAC codec bug is this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/111145
[22:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix]
[22:44] <DanaG> New model of audio codec?
[22:45] <DanaG> Or laptop.
[22:45] <oliver_g_> btw. what would you recommend to measure raw TCP throughput between two machines?
[22:45] <crimsun_> DanaG: new hardware.
[22:45] <crimsun_> not codec AFAIK, but I haven't had enough time to peer at hwdep
[22:45] <DanaG> Aah, a new PC, then.  ?
[22:45] <crimsun_> a new machine to me; a friend's doing a huge favour for me
[22:45] <DanaG> Cool.
[22:46] <crimsun_> granted I have to vpn+ssh to it, but whatever :)
[22:47] <FransQ> I can confirm that metacity compositing crash :$
[22:48] <DanaG> It works fine on next login, though.  It's only on initially flipping the gconf setting, I believe.
[22:48] <FransQ> didn't retain the setting, here
[22:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have a doctor's appointment of some sort to go to, so I'll be away until evening.
[22:48] <DanaG> It kept the setting, for me.
[22:49]  * credible wonders why on earth people would want to use metacity's compositor ...
[22:49] <DanaG> But it started without Metacity; I had to launch it manually.
[22:49] <DanaG> The alt-tab thing is fugly.
[22:49] <Kuni> remind me to say no to partial upgrades in the future...
[22:49] <DanaG> '/me puts laptop in sleep.
[22:50] <h3sp4wn> credible: I wonder the same thing about compiz
[22:50] <FransQ> increased productivity.
[22:50] <credible> compiz may have problems, but at least it isn't xcompmgr crammed into metacity
[22:51] <Kuni> h3spw4n: it's pretty, and makes converting people from windows incredibly easy.
[22:51] <FransQ> on the composited solutions' window switcher things it's easier to find windows. Also, I personally find depth (shadows) to help focus on certain places.
[22:53] <h3sp4wn> Kuni: Are people that shallow ?
[22:53] <Kuni> h3spw4n: Yes? Of course?
[22:53] <FransQ> Is it shallowness? Everyone likes beauty.
[22:53] <Kuni> h3sp4wn: you must understand. I'm at a university in the USA. EVERYONE is that shallow. ;)
[22:54] <FransQ> and like I think Steve Jobs said, beauty makes systems more usable.
[22:54] <hydrogen> err
[22:54] <hydrogen> I completely disagree with that
[22:55] <hydrogen> usable beauty makes systems more usable
[22:55] <Kuni> Depends on whether functionality is sacrificed for beauty.
[22:55] <hydrogen> extreme iCandy makes systems more shit
[22:55] <hydrogen> that is all
[22:55] <FransQ> sure. overblown things make things worse.
[22:55] <h3sp4wn> I haven't found a functional gui yet
[22:55] <RAOF> credible: Because they run nouveau, and have fast XRender but no 3d :P
[22:55] <Kuni> because beauty makes working easier on the eye, but it can also make the computer run worse.
[22:55] <credible> RAOF: hehehe
[22:55] <heret1c> anyone use RISC OS?
[22:55] <Kuni> h3sp4wn: CLI is win, that is true.
[22:55] <Kuni> Epic win, even.
[22:56] <FransQ> but I don't consider Compiz overblown if you just... don't enable certain plugins
[22:56] <Arwen> Compiz can be pretty elegant with the right options... doesn't mean it isn't still slow, but...
[22:57] <Arwen> oh yeah, and the cube needs more anti-aliasing :-P
[22:57] <Kuni> h3sp4wn: Although it gets annoying when you can't run a fullscreen terminal at your native resolution because the framebuffer doesn't come close to supporting 1920x1200 for some reason...
[22:57] <credible> compiz isn't slow at all, certain video drivers are slow at GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[22:57] <Kuni> Arwen: amen on the AA part.
[22:58] <Arwen> credible, it is slow
[22:58] <Arwen> because the desktop is faster without it
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> credible: This nvidia quadro should not be one of them
[22:58] <FransQ> I don't notice any substantial slowness, but I do notice that certain features allow you to get things done so much faster that the slight slowdown is worth it.
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> And it works flawlessly otherwise
[22:58] <credible> h3sp4wn: nvidia's driver is number one on that list
[22:59] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: That's what --loose-binding is for; to work around one of nvidia's bottlenecks.
[22:59] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: Is there a sane way to set that in a config file somewhere ?
[23:00] <credible> it's automatically set by ubuntu's compiz startup script
[23:00] <h3sp4wn> Well I was using that could it be my pciid is not in the table ?
[23:01] <credible> it checks by driver, not by card
[23:01] <RAOF> credible: Oh, do we really use loose binding by default?
[23:02] <credible> RAOF: to the detriment of nvidia users who need --indirect-rendering :/
[23:02] <credible> (at least on gutsy; I hope hardy's compiz-manager has been updated by now)
[23:04] <FransQ> I think at the starting of Hardy i had to manually switch to --indirect-rendering but that seems to be gone now.
[23:07] <GortiZ> hi to all
[23:07] <crimsun_> ok, one more test case to pass, then I can push and upload.
[23:07] <GortiZ> someone could help me with mesa drivers? I want to know if there are some options to make a powersave under mesa drivers... I used catalyst drivers and they have 3 power configurations: battery saving, balanced and performance.. there's something like that with mesa drivers?
[23:09] <h3sp4wn> there is a driconf
[23:09] <lime4x4> anyone having issues with bluetooth devices being disconnected after the screen saver has been running ?
[23:10] <h3sp4wn> But I dunno how much use it will be to you (its very little use to me as I don't know what most of the settings mean)
[23:10] <h3sp4wn> and I don't want to use trial and error
[23:10] <CarlFK> how can I tell if this patch is applied? http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-usb@vger.kernel.org/msg01968.html
[23:11] <h3sp4wn> Look in the source see if the blocks in question are the same
[23:11] <h3sp4wn> If they are sort of the same then it becomes more compilicated
[23:13] <CarlFK> apt-get source linux-image-generic ?
[23:13] <Arwen> CarlFK, that'll get you linux-meta. Try with apt-get source linux-image-version
[23:14] <crimsun_> CarlFK: it has not been applied to ubuntu-hardy.git.
[23:14] <CarlFK> crimsun_: thanks.
[23:14] <CarlFK> now to see about applying it...
[23:15] <crimsun_> CarlFK: line 317, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy.git;a=blob;f=drivers/usb/host/ehci-q.c;h=b10f39c047e944848f3ac2aa4067e820d2f5df90;hb=HEAD
[23:15] <ionstorm> anyone know an eta on the restricted modules issue
[23:15] <crimsun_> CarlFK: you may wish to inquire in #ubuntu-kernel
[23:15] <CarlFK> man, there is a #u-channel for evertyng :)
[23:15] <crimsun_> CarlFK: although I might add that since it is targeted to 2.6.25, hardy will pick it up automatically.
[23:16] <CarlFK> crimsun_: how soon?
[23:16] <macogw> hey anyone else notice that when running on battery power on the live cd, it shows the "on ac power" icon?
[23:16] <macogw> im playing with alpha 5
[23:16] <crimsun_> macogw: yes, known issue.
[23:16] <macogw> the installer has failed twice now
[23:16] <macogw> ok
[23:16] <macogw> how about the tooltip on the "simple ubuntu" bg being "elephant" while the tooltip on the elephant bg is "simple ubuntu"?
[23:17] <crimsun_> macogw: also, today's new (well, Ted's ppa version) g-p-m does not resolve the battery/AC<->icon issue.
[23:17] <macogw> ok
[23:17] <crimsun_> macogw: no idea about the latter.
[23:18] <macogw> how about the installer inside the live environment going to a blank little box http://colbyframeco.com/~maco/nix/end_of_installer.png after you answer questions instead of a progress bar?  it only happened while using the live environment.  didnt happen when i chose the "install ubuntu" option (the second one) on the disk menu
[23:19] <macogw> those were the 3 things i noticed right away
[23:19] <macogw> i havent gotten it installed yet to find post-install bugs :P
[23:23] <Kuni> oh thank God, it's here
[23:23] <Kuni> be back i a bit
[23:23] <Kuni> *in
[23:23] <ionstorm> any1 know when the restricted modules pack will be fixed for -10
[23:24] <Arwen> Ubuntu has new wallpapers now?
[23:24] <Arwen> ionstorm, before Duke Nukem Forever is released
[23:24] <ionstorm> word
[23:24] <ionstorm> duke newkem rox
[23:25] <h3sp4wn> Did they release it ? (I have been waiting for that game for 10 years now)
[23:25] <FransQ> Arwen: They have the fela kuti newspaper
[23:26] <h3sp4wn> (meaning duke nukem forever)
[23:26] <ionstorm> http://www.3drealms.com/duke4/
[23:26] <macogw> wow the "installing system" window that is a useless blank little box won't die.  it keeps coming back all Thriller-style
[23:27] <macogw> and it claims the installation is complete....we'll see how that goes... brb gotta reboot
[23:27] <CarlFK> Arwen: wallpaper is /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png :)
[23:27] <Arwen> oh, lol
[23:27] <CarlFK> interesting name for something new...
[23:28] <Arwen> I wasn't around back when Warty/Hoary was released
[23:28] <CarlFK> new image, old name
[23:28] <CarlFK> I just noticed the name last week
[23:29] <CarlFK> when I noticed the new image... "hmm, I want to grab that... what's it called?.... wtf?
[23:29] <FransQ> yeah it could make you think it's some old wallpaper but it's actually new, AFAIK. It actually features a heron
[23:30] <Arwen> Kubuntu seriously needs new papers :-P
[23:30] <CarlFK> FransQ: that got bit in the nick by a hyena?
[23:30] <CarlFK> neck
[23:31] <h3sp4wn> ionstorm: Yeah I gave up looking - one day I guess they release it and it will not be what I thought it would be (not sure what that is anymore)
[23:32] <FransQ> CarlFK: "Ubuntu Hardy Heron. Not Hyena-resistant."
[23:32] <CarlFK> lol
[23:38] <Kuni> thank God for the ability to boot with 2.6.24-8
[23:39] <h3sp4wn> Other than one extra usb boot warning I don't have any issues
[23:41] <h3sp4wn> And the bios upgrade I just did seemed to fix that anyway
[23:41] <Kuni> lucky you
[23:42] <h3sp4wn> Well the hardware is supported to run Linux (SLES) but still
[23:42] <h3sp4wn> and kvm seems to be fixed also
[23:45] <flipstar> Kuni: trouble with the new kernel ?
[23:45]  * smallfoot- says PLZ MAKE NEW GRAPHICS FOR KERNEL 2.6.24-10, PLZ MY DESKTOP SUCKS, PLZ HELP, I NEED IT, PLZ MAKE IT!
[23:45]  * smallfoot- says PLZ MAKE NEW GRAPHICS FOR KERNEL 2.6.24-10, PLZ MY DESKTOP SUCKS, PLZ HELP, I NEED IT, PLZ MAKE IT!
[23:45]  * smallfoot- says PLZ MAKE NEW GRAPHICS FOR KERNEL 2.6.24-10, PLZ MY DESKTOP SUCKS, PLZ HELP, I NEED IT, PLZ MAKE IT!
[23:45] <Arwen> o.O k-lined?
[23:46] <void^> i wish
[23:47] <h3sp4wn> Perhaps my mirror is out of sink of aptitude just doesn't offer the really silly upgrades
[23:48] <Arwen> I upgraded intentionally, even seeing the b0rk :-)
[23:53] <Laser87> Hi!
[23:57]  * h3sp4wn still doesn't get compiz (It seems a bit faster now) but it flickers
[23:57] <h3sp4wn> SGI had that right in 1996 when I first saw hardware accelerated opengl desktop
[23:58] <flipstar> h3sp4wn: what did you do to make it faster ? it is very slow here when i restart compiz ..
[23:58] <h3sp4wn> flipstar: BIOS update and installing the updates nothing else
[23:58] <flipstar> uhm