| ubotu | New bug: #195636 in wacom-tools "/dev/input/wacom device missing for Bamboo Fun" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195636 | 02:11 |
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| superm1 | hey bryce_ you around? | 05:25 |
| bryce | heya superm1 | 05:26 |
| superm1 | good evenin. | 05:26 |
| superm1 | did you by chance see that patch that I attached to a mesa bug? | 05:26 |
| bryce | hey I have a question for you (maybe a bit philosophical) | 05:26 |
| superm1 | sure shoot | 05:26 |
| bryce | hmm, not sure (been looking at a lot of patches lately tho) | 05:26 |
| superm1 | bug 189580 | 05:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 189580 in mesa "mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in glXMakeCurrentReadSGI()" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189580 | 05:27 |
| bryce | well, with mythtv I'm wondering how you think things will work once analog is turned off next year, and cable companies are using DRM-laced digital feeds. | 05:27 |
| superm1 | well analog is only turned off OTA | 05:28 |
| bryce | do you think there'll be a solution, or is that going to be more or less the end of mythtv as a television recording tool? | 05:28 |
| superm1 | that's a big selling point to cable companies right now | 05:28 |
| superm1 | that you can "use your old tv" | 05:28 |
| superm1 | still | 05:28 |
| bryce | hmm, yet the analog channel sets that the two cable companies in my area provide are a small subset of the available channels | 05:29 |
| bryce | (essentially just what's provided OTA already) | 05:29 |
| superm1 | wow it's that bad by you? | 05:29 |
| superm1 | i get ~80 analog stations on my cable here | 05:29 |
| bryce | I mean, for the digital packages | 05:29 |
| superm1 | well the cable company can approach the issue from two sides | 05:30 |
| bryce | for "regular" cable I still get ~80 channels too, however I think they'll be ending that | 05:30 |
| superm1 | 1) either keep the analog stations around, and "transition" people over to their cable packages to use their old tvs - only to eventually plug that loop hole | 05:30 |
| superm1 | 2) deter people because they need a digital tuner for cable, satellite, or OTA | 05:31 |
| superm1 | i personally think most cable companies are going to approach it from (1) | 05:31 |
| bryce | the issue we've run into is that comcast has been gradually dropping channels from the analog service | 05:32 |
| bryce | quite irritating | 05:32 |
| superm1 | well look at it from a lamen's consumer perspective | 05:33 |
| superm1 | people are going to complain that they are missing all these channels | 05:33 |
| superm1 | the more that go | 05:34 |
| superm1 | and so cable companies either deal with that influx of complaints, or eventually open up the "basic" digital packages or keep analog around | 05:34 |
| bryce | hmm, that could be | 05:35 |
| superm1 | so, in other words my own belief is that some way or another it will be sorted out - either keeping analog around longer, or cable co's being forced to de-drm there stations | 05:35 |
| superm1 | and very worst comes to worst - there is always svid capture | 05:36 |
| superm1 | and ir blaster/serial changer/firewire changer | 05:36 |
| bryce | of course it sort of presumes the absence of monopolies or collusion | 05:36 |
| * superm1 shrugs | 05:37 | |
| superm1 | if only our capitalist society didn't allow for such things | 05:37 |
| superm1 | in the event of either of those though, you do need to remember how often the ability to sue gets abused | 05:37 |
| tjaalton | morning guys | 05:38 |
| superm1 | morning tjaalton | 05:38 |
| bryce | heya tjaalton | 05:38 |
| tjaalton | at least you guys have widespread HD?-) | 05:39 |
| bryce | hmm, well I guess if worse comes to worst, someone will come up with some clever mythtv/bittorrent thingee that bypasses the networks entirely | 05:39 |
| pwnguin | we've got about 80 channels here as well ;) | 05:40 |
| tjaalton | we only have a handful of crappy paytv-channels | 05:40 |
| tjaalton | ..that are HD | 05:40 |
| pwnguin | err | 05:40 |
| pwnguin | i mean, 80 analog cable TV channels | 05:40 |
| superm1 | bryce, you also have to remember too - once everything is all digital, hackers will pop up looking for a way to circumvent security measures | 05:40 |
| bryce | yup | 05:40 |
| superm1 | its always a cat and mouse game | 05:40 |
| tjaalton | this is the last week that cable companies are allowed to broadcast analog | 05:41 |
| tjaalton | in Finland | 05:41 |
| pwnguin | we just got a junkmail from our cable company bragging about how you can still use analog with their stuff | 05:41 |
| superm1 | tjaalton, so what is happening with digital stuff then, drm free? | 05:41 |
| tjaalton | superm1: remains to be seen, so far it is drm free | 05:41 |
| tjaalton | meaning that you are able to record stuff | 05:42 |
| superm1 | well that's nice :) | 05:42 |
| bryce | superm1: what was the mesa patch you wanted me to look at? I can take a look at it in a little while tonight | 05:42 |
| superm1 | bryce, bug 189580 | 05:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 189580 in mesa "mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in glXMakeCurrentReadSGI()" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189580 | 05:43 |
| tjaalton | bryce: if it looks good, I can merge it with the new mesa from debian | 05:43 |
| bryce | tjaalton: ok | 05:43 |
| tjaalton | superm1: have you sent it upstream? | 05:43 |
| superm1 | i'm not sure if upstream mesa has already absorbed such a thing, but it resolves issues for myself and a handful of other folks that have ran into the issue using free drivers | 05:43 |
| tjaalton | would be nice to get some feedback from upstream :) | 05:44 |
| superm1 | tjaalton, not yet, i was hoping to find someone with a good relationship with x.org to forward it on up | 05:44 |
| superm1 | i'm not the original author of it, just a messenger :) | 05:45 |
| tjaalton | ok :) | 05:45 |
| tjaalton | it's easy to forward it, but the author should then subscribe to the upstream bug | 05:45 |
| superm1 | tjaalton, i'll be glad to link the appropriate bug trackers if you can send it for feedback | 05:46 |
| bryce | superm1: ok I've given a thumbs up on the bug. Patch looks pretty simple | 05:49 |
| superm1 | bryce, great thanks. | 05:49 |
| bryce | not certain what side-effects might come of it though | 05:49 |
| superm1 | i dont have core dev powers, so if you could sponsor it too, that'd be good :) | 05:49 |
| superm1 | bryce, well given the description of it, i wouldn't expect anything harsh, but i dont know for sure | 05:50 |
| tjaalton | there's a new release candidate in debian that needs merging anyway | 05:50 |
| bryce | I'm still a hair away from having core dev powers myself, so will leave to tjaalton | 05:50 |
| tjaalton | :) | 05:50 |
| bryce | superm1: well, since it's opening a dynamic library, there's a fairly limitless number of things that could happen in theory; in practice I'm betting it'll be fine | 05:51 |
| bryce | ok, bbiab | 05:51 |
| superm1 | bryce, wow, surprised you don't have the core-dev prowess already :) | 05:51 |
| tjaalton | ok, forwarded as freedesktop bug 14675 | 05:56 |
| ubotu | Freedesktop bug 14675 in GLX "mythfrontend crashes in glXMakeCurrentReadSGI()" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14675 | 05:56 |
| superm1 | tjaalton, okay thanks, i'll get the person who wrote the patch subscribed | 05:56 |
| tjaalton | cool | 05:57 |
| bryce | superm1: you're not the first to say that | 06:19 |
| superm1 | bryce, well then i'm sure you won't have trouble once you apply for it | 06:21 |
| ubotu | New bug: #195707 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Please upgrade Nvidia binary driver to 169.09" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195707 | 09:30 |
| tjaalton | superm1: seems that the mesa problem is already fixed in master, and if the backported commits work with 7.0, they could be added to the stable branch | 10:12 |
| ubotu | New bug: #194249 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "atieventsd crashed with SIGSEGV in _XSend()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194249 | 11:25 |
| ubotu | New bug: #187421 in limewire (universe) "c->xlib.lock failed (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187421 | 11:41 |
| ubotu | New bug: #187947 in azureus (universe) "azureus crashes (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187947 | 11:41 |
| ubotu | New bug: #194846 in netbeans (universe) "[hardy] Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194846 | 11:46 |
| ubotu | New bug: #188412 in ubuntu "jvm error (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188412 | 11:47 |
| ubotu | New bug: #189064 in j2se1.4-i586 (multiverse) "cannot view java applet on konqueror (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189064 | 11:47 |
| ubotu | New bug: #192761 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "Java JVM 6 Swing Crashes (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192761 | 11:47 |
| ubotu | New bug: #193061 in ubuntu "java: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed. (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193061 | 11:47 |
| ubotu | New bug: #193103 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "sun java6 firefox plugin crashing (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193103 | 11:47 |
| ubotu | New bug: #195767 in xorg-server (main) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195767 | 13:21 |
| Ng | tjaalton: woo, thanks for the upload. the little fix I was testing got included upstream, right? | 13:31 |
| tjaalton | it already was | 13:31 |
| Ng | ah, I've had mine on hold for a little while ;) | 13:32 |
| Ng | I'll unhold it and upgrade :D | 13:32 |
| tjaalton | cool | 13:37 |
| tjaalton | sigh, need to add ServerLayout back to make synaptics work | 13:37 |
| superm1 | tjaalton, yeah i got an email from the author. his fix went in in November :) | 13:46 |
| tjaalton | superm1: heh, ok. It's uploaded now, so please test when it's built | 13:47 |
| superm1 | tjaalton, alright thanks | 13:47 |
| jcristau | tjaalton: why do you need serverlayout? | 13:48 |
| tjaalton | jcristau: people need it for synaptics | 13:48 |
| tjaalton | I can't test it, so I trust them :) | 13:48 |
| tjaalton | otherwise the synaptics section is not used by the server, I guess | 13:49 |
| jcristau | hrm | 13:49 |
| tjaalton | there's also a strange bug where enabling the SL section the keymap is different.. | 13:50 |
| bryce | tjaalton: It may help having it back to reduce displayconfig-gtk breakage (which I think we still need for bulletproof-x mode) | 17:43 |
| seb128 | bryce: speaking about bulletproof-x, was there any discussion about a boot option to start in vesa mode 800x600 or similar? | 17:45 |
| bryce | I vaguely remember something like that | 17:56 |
| bryce | I don't recall if there were any decisions | 17:56 |
| tjaalton | bryce: ah, indeed | 17:59 |
| bryce | seb128: have you had a chance to look at the gnome-desktop and gnome-settings-daemon changes? I think they're ready to go up. | 18:00 |
| ubotu | New bug: #195843 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "INTEL_BATCH=1 should be enabled per default for Intel graphic hardware" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195843 | 18:00 |
| seb128 | bryce: no, new GNOME weeks are crazy, lool looked at the patches I think | 18:00 |
| bryce | seb128: gnome-control-center is also building correctly and should be ready to go up soon (I just want to do additional testing first) | 18:00 |
| seb128 | he's slightly concerned about the API additions or changes | 18:01 |
| seb128 | and he said the patches are not really clean | 18:01 |
| ubotu | New bug: #195846 in xserver-xorg-video-amd (main) "xserver-xorg-video-amd 2.7.7.6-1ubuntu2 fails at DDC module on Flat Panel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195846 | 18:06 |
| bryce | seb128: I hope that either you two will be able to fix the issues, or provide me with detailed feedback so I can fix it. | 18:06 |
| seb128 | bryce: right, will do, I've just been busy, but I'm almost done with this week updates and I'll look at those again | 18:07 |
| seb128 | I'm away for dinner, be back later | 18:09 |
| bryce | seb128: having got things to this point, I would really like to just focus on gnome-control-center and it's remaining xrandr issues, and leave gnome-desktop and gnome-system-daemon to you guys. I've taken care of most of the work with them, so hopefully between the two of you the remaining integration work should be straightforward. | 18:09 |
| seb128 | bryce: right, should be alright | 18:10 |
| bryce | seb128: great | 18:10 |
| seb128 | I'll ping you back about those later today or tomorrow, I have to go now | 18:10 |
| bryce | ok | 18:10 |
| ubotu | New bug: #29897 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse (main) "USB mouse not working after booting with mouse plugged in" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29897 | 19:13 |
| ubotu | New bug: #195901 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "please sync nvidia-glx-new to new release 169.12" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195901 | 21:22 |
| ubotu | New bug: #195912 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic broken after latest updates [Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha 5]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195912 | 21:41 |
| ubotu | New bug: #195953 in wacom-tools (main) "Tablet input resolution tied to display resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195953 | 23:15 |
| ubotu | New bug: #195952 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (universe) "gstreamer-properties default video out should be X Window System (No Xv)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195952 | 23:59 |
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