[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #195636 in wacom-tools "/dev/input/wacom device missing for Bamboo Fun" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195636
[05:25] <superm1> hey bryce_ you around?
[05:26] <bryce> heya superm1
[05:26] <superm1> good evenin.  
[05:26] <superm1> did you by chance see that patch that I attached to a mesa bug?
[05:26] <bryce> hey I have a question for you (maybe a bit philosophical)
[05:26] <superm1> sure shoot
[05:26] <bryce> hmm, not sure (been looking at a lot of patches lately tho)
[05:27] <superm1> bug 189580
[05:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189580 in mesa "mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in glXMakeCurrentReadSGI()" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189580
[05:27] <bryce> well, with mythtv I'm wondering how you think things will work once analog is turned off next year, and cable companies are using DRM-laced digital feeds.
[05:28] <superm1> well analog is only turned off OTA
[05:28] <bryce> do you think there'll be a solution, or is that going to be more or less the end of mythtv as a television recording tool?
[05:28] <superm1> that's a big selling point to cable companies right now
[05:28] <superm1> that you can "use your old tv"
[05:28] <superm1> still
[05:29] <bryce> hmm, yet the analog channel sets that the two cable companies in my area provide are a small subset of the available channels
[05:29] <bryce> (essentially just what's provided OTA already)
[05:29] <superm1> wow it's that bad by you?
[05:29] <superm1> i get ~80 analog stations on my cable here
[05:29] <bryce> I mean, for the digital packages
[05:30] <superm1> well the cable company can approach the issue from two sides
[05:30] <bryce> for "regular" cable I still get ~80 channels too, however I think they'll be ending that
[05:30] <superm1> 1) either keep the analog stations around, and "transition" people over to their cable packages to use their old tvs - only to eventually plug that loop hole
[05:31] <superm1> 2) deter people because they need a digital tuner for cable, satellite, or OTA
[05:31] <superm1> i personally think most cable companies are going to approach it from (1)
[05:32] <bryce> the issue we've run into is that comcast has been gradually dropping channels from the analog service
[05:32] <bryce> quite irritating
[05:33] <superm1> well look at it from a lamen's consumer perspective
[05:33] <superm1> people are going to complain that they are missing all these channels 
[05:34] <superm1> the more that go
[05:34] <superm1> and so cable companies either deal with that influx of complaints, or eventually open up the "basic" digital packages or keep analog around
[05:35] <bryce> hmm, that could be
[05:35] <superm1> so, in other words my own belief is that some way or another it will be sorted out - either keeping analog around longer, or cable co's being forced to de-drm there stations
[05:36] <superm1> and very worst comes to worst - there is always svid capture
[05:36] <superm1> and ir blaster/serial changer/firewire changer
[05:36] <bryce> of course it sort of presumes the absence of monopolies or collusion
[05:37]  * superm1 shrugs
[05:37] <superm1> if only our capitalist society didn't allow for such things
[05:37] <superm1> in the event of either of those though, you do need to remember how often the ability to sue gets abused
[05:38] <tjaalton> morning guys
[05:38] <superm1> morning tjaalton 
[05:38] <bryce> heya tjaalton
[05:39] <tjaalton> at least you guys have widespread HD?-)
[05:39] <bryce> hmm, well I guess if worse comes to worst, someone will come up with some clever mythtv/bittorrent thingee that bypasses the networks entirely
[05:40] <pwnguin> we've got about 80 channels here as well ;)
[05:40] <tjaalton> we only have a handful of crappy paytv-channels
[05:40] <tjaalton> ..that are HD
[05:40] <pwnguin> err
[05:40] <pwnguin> i mean, 80 analog cable TV channels
[05:40] <superm1> bryce, you also have to remember too - once everything is all digital, hackers will pop up looking for a way to circumvent security measures
[05:40] <bryce> yup
[05:40] <superm1> its always a cat and mouse game
[05:41] <tjaalton> this is the last week that cable companies are allowed to broadcast analog
[05:41] <tjaalton> in Finland
[05:41] <pwnguin> we just got a junkmail from our cable company bragging about how you can still use analog with their stuff
[05:41] <superm1> tjaalton, so what is happening with digital stuff then, drm free?
[05:41] <tjaalton> superm1: remains to be seen, so far it is drm free
[05:42] <tjaalton> meaning that you are able to record stuff
[05:42] <superm1> well that's nice :)
[05:42] <bryce> superm1: what was the mesa patch you wanted me to look at?  I can take a look at it in a little while tonight
[05:43] <superm1> bryce, bug 189580
[05:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189580 in mesa "mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in glXMakeCurrentReadSGI()" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189580
[05:43] <tjaalton> bryce: if it looks good, I can merge it with the new mesa from debian
[05:43] <bryce> tjaalton: ok
[05:43] <tjaalton> superm1: have you sent it upstream?
[05:43] <superm1> i'm not sure if upstream mesa has already absorbed such a thing, but it resolves issues for myself and a handful of other folks that have ran into the issue using free drivers
[05:44] <tjaalton> would be nice to get some feedback from upstream :)
[05:44] <superm1> tjaalton, not yet, i was hoping to find someone with a good relationship with x.org to forward it on up
[05:45] <superm1> i'm not the original author of it, just a messenger :)
[05:45] <tjaalton> ok :)
[05:45] <tjaalton> it's easy to forward it, but the author should then subscribe to the upstream bug
[05:46] <superm1> tjaalton, i'll be glad to link the appropriate bug trackers if you can send it for feedback
[05:49] <bryce> superm1: ok I've given a thumbs up on the bug.  Patch looks pretty simple
[05:49] <superm1> bryce, great thanks.  
[05:49] <bryce> not certain what side-effects might come of it though
[05:49] <superm1> i dont have core dev powers, so if you could sponsor it too, that'd be good :)
[05:50] <superm1> bryce, well given the description of it, i wouldn't expect anything harsh, but i dont know for sure
[05:50] <tjaalton> there's a new release candidate in debian that needs merging anyway
[05:50] <bryce> I'm still a hair away from having core dev powers myself, so will leave to tjaalton
[05:50] <tjaalton> :)
[05:51] <bryce> superm1: well, since it's opening a dynamic library, there's a fairly limitless number of things that could happen in theory; in practice I'm betting it'll be fine
[05:51] <bryce> ok, bbiab
[05:51] <superm1> bryce, wow, surprised you don't have the core-dev prowess already :)
[05:56] <tjaalton> ok, forwarded as freedesktop bug 14675
[05:56] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 14675 in GLX "mythfrontend crashes in glXMakeCurrentReadSGI()" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14675
[05:56] <superm1> tjaalton, okay thanks, i'll get the person who wrote the patch subscribed
[05:57] <tjaalton> cool
[06:19] <bryce> superm1: you're not the first to say that
[06:21] <superm1> bryce, well then i'm sure you won't have trouble once you apply for it
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #195707 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Please upgrade Nvidia binary driver to 169.09" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195707
[10:12] <tjaalton> superm1: seems that the mesa problem is already fixed in master, and if the backported commits work with 7.0, they could be added to the stable branch
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #194249 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "atieventsd crashed with SIGSEGV in _XSend()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194249
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #187421 in limewire (universe) "c->xlib.lock failed (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187421
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #187947 in azureus (universe) "azureus crashes (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187947
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #194846 in netbeans (universe) "[hardy] Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194846
[11:47] <ubotu> New bug: #188412 in ubuntu "jvm error (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188412
[11:47] <ubotu> New bug: #189064 in j2se1.4-i586 (multiverse) "cannot view java applet on konqueror (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189064
[11:47] <ubotu> New bug: #192761 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "Java JVM 6 Swing Crashes  (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192761
[11:47] <ubotu> New bug: #193061 in ubuntu "java: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed.  (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193061
[11:47] <ubotu> New bug: #193103 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "sun java6 firefox plugin crashing (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193103
[13:21] <ubotu> New bug: #195767 in xorg-server (main) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195767
[13:31] <Ng> tjaalton: woo, thanks for the upload. the little fix I was testing got included upstream, right?
[13:31] <tjaalton> it already was
[13:32] <Ng> ah, I've had mine on hold for a little while ;)
[13:32] <Ng> I'll unhold it and upgrade :D
[13:37] <tjaalton> cool
[13:37] <tjaalton> sigh, need to add ServerLayout back to make synaptics work
[13:46] <superm1> tjaalton, yeah i got an email from the author.  his fix went in in November :)
[13:47] <tjaalton> superm1: heh, ok. It's uploaded now, so please test when it's built
[13:47] <superm1> tjaalton, alright thanks
[13:48] <jcristau> tjaalton: why do you need serverlayout?
[13:48] <tjaalton> jcristau: people need it for synaptics
[13:48] <tjaalton> I can't test it, so I trust them :)
[13:49] <tjaalton> otherwise the synaptics section is not used by the server, I guess
[13:49] <jcristau> hrm
[13:50] <tjaalton> there's also a strange bug where enabling the SL section the keymap is different..
[17:43] <bryce> tjaalton: It may help having it back to reduce displayconfig-gtk breakage (which I think we still need for bulletproof-x mode)
[17:45] <seb128> bryce: speaking about bulletproof-x, was there any discussion about a boot option to start in vesa mode 800x600 or similar?
[17:56] <bryce> I vaguely remember something like that
[17:56] <bryce> I don't recall if there were any decisions
[17:59] <tjaalton> bryce: ah, indeed
[18:00] <bryce> seb128: have you had a chance to look at the gnome-desktop and gnome-settings-daemon changes?  I think they're ready to go up.
[18:00] <ubotu> New bug: #195843 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "INTEL_BATCH=1 should be enabled per default for Intel graphic hardware" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195843
[18:00] <seb128> bryce: no, new GNOME weeks are crazy, lool looked at the patches I think
[18:00] <bryce> seb128: gnome-control-center is also building correctly and should be ready to go up soon (I just want to do additional testing first)
[18:01] <seb128> he's slightly concerned about the API additions or changes
[18:01] <seb128> and he said the patches are not really clean
[18:06] <ubotu> New bug: #195846 in xserver-xorg-video-amd (main) "xserver-xorg-video-amd  2.7.7.6-1ubuntu2 fails at DDC module on Flat Panel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195846
[18:06] <bryce> seb128: I hope that either you two will be able to fix the issues, or provide me with detailed feedback so I can fix it.
[18:07] <seb128> bryce: right, will do, I've just been busy, but I'm almost done with this week updates and I'll look at those again
[18:09] <seb128> I'm away for dinner, be back later
[18:09] <bryce> seb128: having got things to this point, I would really like to just focus on gnome-control-center and it's remaining xrandr issues, and leave gnome-desktop and gnome-system-daemon to you guys.  I've taken care of most of the work with them, so hopefully between the two of you the remaining integration work should be straightforward.
[18:10] <seb128> bryce: right, should be alright
[18:10] <bryce> seb128: great
[18:10] <seb128> I'll ping you back about those later today or tomorrow, I have to go now
[18:10] <bryce> ok
[19:13] <ubotu> New bug: #29897 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse (main) "USB mouse not working after booting with mouse plugged in" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29897
[21:22] <ubotu> New bug: #195901 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "please sync nvidia-glx-new to new release 169.12" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195901
[21:41] <ubotu> New bug: #195912 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic broken after latest updates [Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha 5]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195912
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #195953 in wacom-tools (main) "Tablet input resolution tied to display resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195953
[23:59] <ubotu> New bug: #195952 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (universe) "gstreamer-properties default video out should be X Window System (No Xv)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195952