[00:00] <nixternal_> what is the purpose of it? I am not an aspiring database person, at any level
[00:00] <nosrednaekim> which is why i'm not going to be a computer science major
[00:00] <nixternal_> heh
[00:00] <nosrednaekim> (partly)
[00:00] <nixternal_> I have created a ton of sql databases, and never once heard of this stuff
[00:00] <nixternal_> wonder if I have been doing it wrong forever :)
[00:01] <Nightrose> nixternal_: if you want I can check if I can still find the slides of that lecture - maybe it helps
[00:01] <nixternal_> this mibbit IRC stuff through the internet is kind of nice
[00:01] <nixternal_> Nightrose: if your lecture is better than these slides, I am all for it, but don't look to hard :)
[00:01] <Nightrose> hehe ok - checking
[00:02] <nixternal_> Datase Processing: Fundamentals, Design, and Implementation - David M. Kroenke
[00:02] <nixternal_> that is the book we are using
[00:02] <nixternal_> I got tired of bringing it to class, so I just leave it at home now
[00:09] <yuriy> nixternal_: databases is required for you?
[00:10] <nixternal_> I guess...I don't know why
[00:10] <nixternal_> it was either this stupid class or access...I picked this stupid class
[00:10] <nixternal_> now I wish I would have went with access :)
[00:10] <Nightrose> nixternal_: bummer - they are in german - I thought that was one of our english lectures
[00:11] <yuriy> i took it as an elective. i kind of hated doing the problems, but it seemed like actually useful and interesting stuff
[00:11] <nixternal_> Nightrose: heh, I think our slides are in German too, because I have no clue wth they say :p
[00:11] <Nightrose> *lol*
[00:20] <Riddell> nixternal_: normalisation is useful, the academic theory behind it I've never found to be anything other than confusing something that is mostly simple
[00:21] <nixternal_> well, normalisation is somewhat easy, it is remembering the different things that separate 1NF, 2NF, 3NF, 4NF, and BCNF
[00:21] <Riddell> exactly
[00:21] <nixternal_> the funny thing I am finding out though, is all of the work asks for "my assumption"...which is great, because I can argue with the teacher and get a perfect score because that is my assumption :)
[00:30]  * Nightrose snoozes - nini :)
[00:31] <nixternal_> k'nite
[00:40] <ScottK2> Back when I was taking computer science classes we didn't learn about building databases.  We learned about data structures and writing an optimal sorting algorithm.
[00:42] <nixternal_> ScottK2: we already did that stuff
[00:43] <nixternal_> but back when you took computer science classes, databases were still on paper :p
[00:43] <ScottK2> Yeah, well from there it was into circuit design and hardware.
[00:43] <ScottK2> Yeah.
[00:44] <ScottK2> How many people here have felt the pain of dropping a deck of punch cards and having to re-sort them into the correct order/direction?
[00:44]  * ScottK2 raises hand.
[00:45]  * ryanakca wishes they still had machines like those running... just for the historic experience...
[00:48]  * nixternal_ has
[00:49] <nixternal_> I didn't re-sort them though...I walked away and left them
[00:49]  * ScottK2 had an assignment due.
[00:49] <nixternal_> probably why I got fired from that job
[00:49] <ScottK2> That's only surpassed by realizing your entire COBOL deck has preform instead of perform in it.
[00:50] <ScottK2> Probalby
 and <1:N> and <N:M>    finally something I understand
[00:52] <ryanakca> preform instead of perform?
[00:55] <ScottK2> Yes, IIRC (It's been over 25 years since I touched COBOL) you perform <FUNCTION>.  Preform is a syntax error and I had to retype about half the deck as I was consitently wrong throughout.
[00:56] <ryanakca> ah :)
[00:57] <ScottK2> Today it'd be trivial to fix with search and replace.  In 1980 it was painful.
[00:58] <ScottK2> 1980 on big iron with punch cards.  Micro computers did, in fact, exist at that point.
[00:58] <ryanakca> heh, punch cards... what were they punched with, surely some specialized machine and not a hole punch? :P
[00:58]  * txwikinger just had an earthquake
[00:58] <ScottK2> Yes.
[00:59] <ScottK2> txwikinger: In .de?
[00:59] <txwikinger> No England
[01:00] <ScottK2> Pretty unusual for there too, isn't it?
[01:00] <ryanakca> heh
[01:00] <txwikinger> yes... about the 2nd I had here in 6 years
[01:00]  * ryanakca wonders if they'll talk about it on BBC Radio 2's hourly news
[01:01] <ScottK2> ryanakca: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punch_card
[01:01] <txwikinger> ryanakca: must have been a very wide one
[01:02] <txwikinger> so far it was also in york, leeds and southport
[01:02]  * txwikinger is in Birmingham
[01:03] <ScottK2> Wos
[01:03] <ScottK2> Wow even
[01:04] <ScottK2> ryanakca: If you want even older: http://www.library.upenn.edu/exhibits/rbm/mauchly/jwm0-1.html
[01:04] <ScottK2> They still had bits of that lying around when I went there (but weren't using it anymore).
[01:04] <ryanakca> txwikinger: oh, Janice Long just mentioned it. Notingham, Duncaster, Lancasher, Bister, Hagly, Sheffield, Central London... etc (pardon the spelling)
[01:04] <txwikinger> Yes.. must have been all of south and middle England
[01:05] <ryanakca> ScottK2: interesting :)
[01:05] <nixternal_> see y'all in a bit...I am gonna head for some food and get my butt home, this class is boring tonight
[01:05] <txwikinger> wow.. 5.5 that is huge for England
[01:05] <txwikinger> http://geofon.gfz-potsdam.de/db/eqinfo.php
[01:05] <ryanakca> Night nixternal
[01:05] <txwikinger> hi nixternal
[01:05] <txwikinger> or night :)
[01:06]  * ScottK2 tries to smack some learning into these young whippersnappers.
[01:06] <ScottK2> Yeah.  Wow.
[01:08] <ScottK2> Doesn't seem to be on the BBC web site yet.
[01:08] <txwikinger> BBC is sleeping
[01:09] <txwikinger> they don't even have it on 24news yet
[01:09] <seele> how big was it?
[01:09] <ryanakca> lol, well, you can smack some more learning into me after I finish http://www.spoj.pl/problems/PALIN.pdf
[01:09] <ryanakca> txwikinger: switch to radio2
[01:10] <txwikinger> ok.. BBC2 radio
[01:28] <ScottK2> Says 2.5 here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/6940546.stm
[01:29] <ryanakca> ScottK2: Last Updated: Friday, 10 August 2007, 13:05 GMT 14:05 UK
[01:37] <ScottK2> Ah
[01:38] <jjesse> evening
[01:39] <ryanakca> aaaah, wtf. in I have compiz installed. Open konsole, python -> help() -> modules math
[01:40] <ryanakca> for some random reason I can't comprehend, compiz starts with the following message http://pastebin.ca/919882
[01:41] <ryanakca> txwikinger: 5 miles from Lincoln is the epicentre, 4.7 quake.
[01:42] <txwikinger> Yes Ryan
[01:42] <ryanakca> lol :D
[01:42] <jjesse> where was the earthquake?
[01:42]  * ryanakca wasn't sure you were still listening ;)
[01:42] <txwikinger> #ubuntu-uk has changed topic to earthquake :)
[01:43] <ryanakca> jjesse: South/central england
[01:43] <ryanakca> jjesse: hear all about it from the BBC ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio2.shtml
[01:44] <jjesse> wow crazy
[01:45] <jjesse> just would like to state there is no cup of coffee that is worse then hotel instant coffee
[01:45] <jjesse> don't even know if you can call it "coffee"
[01:45] <ryanakca> lol
[01:46] <ryanakca> does it have a kitchenette/stove element?
[01:47] <jjesse> nope just a "packet" with "coffee" in it that you put in and put water and turn it on
[01:48] <ScottK2> jjesse: Try drinking coffee on a Navy ship underway.  It's 3:30 AM (0330).  You've had 2 hours of sleep that will have to last you the night.  The coffee was made about 22 hours ago and has gradually been turning to sludge since.  That's a worse cup of coffee, but you'd drink it anyway and be glad for it.
[01:48] <jjesse> hrmm looks like c-130 airplanes are doing night time touch and goes
[01:48] <jjesse> ScottK2: ok you have me beat
[01:48] <ryanakca> lol
[01:50] <ScottK2> nixternal would 2nd that perspective, I'm guessing.
[01:51]  * ryanakca pets the luxury that alt.coffee, homeroasted coffee and a Zassenhaus knee grinder grant him :)
[01:52] <jjesse> sounds expensive and tasty
[01:52] <jjesse> my wife and i order our coffee from Tully's in Seattle
[01:52] <jjesse> so much better then starbucks coffeee
[01:52] <ryanakca> jjesse: nah, homeroasting coffee is about half the price of the preroasted stuff
[01:52] <ryanakca> half to three quarters...
[02:02] <ScottK2> After Navy coffee, any coffee I have now is good coffee.
[02:10] <jjesse> i bet
[02:13] <jjesse> wow i totally don't want to do any work this evening
[03:08] <jjesse> hrmm i wonder if i should take the plunge and upgrade my gutsy box to hardy
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> jjesse» BTW... I got an email back from google, who said that I may be eligible, and that I should ask during the student-sign-up week :)
[03:09] <daSKreech> SoC?
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[03:15] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: that's awesome news i'm glad you sent a note
[03:15] <jjesse> its been nice so far this week i've had the opportunity to squish a lot of bugs assigned to the kubuntu team :)
[03:52] <daSKreech> Can I add a proxy to a machine via command line only?
[03:52] <daSKreech> I'm smelling iptables as the response ....
[04:46] <nixternal> ScottK2: I actually enjoyed the Haze Grey Cafe
[04:46] <nixternal> we would perculate coffee all day long, never removing the old grounds
[04:46] <nixternal> come 2am, you would have to use paint thinner for creamer
[04:55] <ScottK2> Yeah, well that's where I learned to like coffee, so my perspective is slanted.
[07:24] <apachelogger> omg
[07:24] <apachelogger> suse is having a so much nicer CD menu appearance :|
[07:26] <daSKreech> CSS rocks
[07:48] <apachelogger> daSKreech: they also have some kind of splash
[07:49] <apachelogger> nice animation fading in 'welcome' in different languages
[09:42] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping?
[09:46] <kwwii> erm, when _StefanS_ comes back someone tell him pong from me
[09:46] <kwwii> lol
[09:46] <kwwii> hi _StefanS_
[09:46] <_StefanS_> kwwii: hey
[09:46] <_StefanS_> kwwii: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy
[09:47] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I got the remaining buttons in svg from nuno
[09:47] <kwwii> _StefanS_: cool
[09:47] <_StefanS_> kwwii: you think so ? :)
[09:47] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I think that the panel looks a bit too light blue for my tastes
[09:48] <_StefanS_> kwwii: two secs, I will update the screenshot
[09:48] <_StefanS_> without the coloration of the kicker bar
[09:49] <kwwii> I am not against coloring the panel - it just looks a bit too blue to me now
[09:49] <_StefanS_> kwwii: well I think the entire thing look too glassy, but i dont want to change the theme too radically
[09:50] <_StefanS_> kwwii: what about the wallpaper, should we do anything to it? and what about the buttons for the windeco, is the frame too dark?
[09:50] <_StefanS_> I'm not really an artwork artist :)
[09:51] <kwwii> _StefanS_: they seem too dark to me, at least the outline should be lighter
[09:51] <kwwii> and to be honest, I think that the X and such on the old versions were better
[09:51] <_StefanS_> kwwii: yep, maybe 50% lighter?
[09:51] <kwwii> yeah
[09:51] <_StefanS_> do you have that X i svg ?
[09:51] <_StefanS_> cant remember if it were among those you sent me
[09:52] <_StefanS_> anyway I will send you the svg nuno did with all the buttons, so that I'm not the only one that has them
[09:55] <_StefanS_> kwwii: they're on their way
[09:57] <jussi01> kwwii: got a quick question for you if you have a min?
[09:58] <jussi01> kwwii: do you know of a easy way to make a mirror effect for an icon? ie. a reflection underneath?
[10:00] <kwwii> jussi01: do you mean in code or in the actual pic?
[10:01] <jussi01> kwwii: actual pic
[10:01] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I found your original X button, doing it now
[10:01] <kwwii> if you just want to make a simple reflection, copy the entire object, make it one shape, pull the top down below so that it is "mirrored" and give it a gradient fill going to transparent on the bottom
[10:01] <kwwii> _StefanS_: cool
[10:02]  * _StefanS_ is far from an inkscape artist :D
[10:02] <jussi01> kwwii: ahh, thank you
[10:05] <kwwii> np
[10:13] <apachelogger> uh the bug tags page needs a toc, seriously
[10:14] <apachelogger> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags - search for upstream, please make sure to use the tags when appropriate :)
[10:15] <kwwii> _StefanS_: are the final/exported buttons partialy transparent?
[10:17] <_StefanS_> kwwii: yes
[10:21] <_StefanS_> kwwii: it helped with the 50%, I will post some screens in a moment
[10:22] <kwwii> _StefanS_: cool, I might get a minute sometime later to play with them
[10:22]  * kwwii is in london in a packaging seminar :-/
[10:23] <_StefanS_> kwwii: http://enhance-it.dk/appearance.png
[10:23] <_StefanS_> http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/appearance.png
[10:24] <kwwii> cool
[10:30] <jussi01> kwwii: if you are not overly busy, could you let me know how to do the gradient in gimp? im feeling a little stupid atm... :(
[10:31] <_StefanS_> jussi01: dont worry, I dont know either :D
[10:32] <jussi01> :)
[10:33] <jussi01> _StefanS_: I just cant seem to get a non colored gradient :(
[10:35] <kwwii> jussi01: select the colors you want to use in the normal colors widget and then select the gradient tool
[10:35] <kwwii> one of the gradients in the list will be foreground to background
[10:35] <kwwii> or foreground to trasnparent
[10:35] <kwwii> also, you can define a new gradient but that is more complex
[10:37] <jussi01> kwwii: but I dont want any colour, i just want to fade out
[10:38] <_StefanS_> kwwii: the deb for kwin-style-crystal is here: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/kwin-style-crystal_1.0.5-0ubuntu3_i386.deb if you want to test it
[10:38] <kwwii> then you want foreground to trasnparent
[10:38] <_StefanS_> be back in 30min.
[10:38] <kwwii> _StefanS_: cool, thanks
[10:38] <jussi01> kwwii: yeah, but how do I choose a transparent colour for the foreground?
[10:40] <apachelogger> kwwii: a suitcase packaging seminar?
[10:40]  * apachelogger never gets that right :|
[10:41] <kwwii> jussi01: if you click on the gradient itslef in the Blend part of the gradient tool you can then click in the bottom right to open a dialog in which you can edit the gradients by hand
[10:42] <kwwii> apachelogger: lol, I am learning how to pack my bags for business trips :p
[10:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can we attend such a seminar as well?
[10:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sure - come by and I will teach you ;-)
[10:43] <apachelogger> I don't want to crumple my suit for cebit
[10:43] <Nightrose> oO suit?
[10:43] <Nightrose> damn it
[10:43] <kwwii> folding shirts is my wife's job ;-)
[10:43]  * Nightrose needs to get her stuff cleaned then
[10:44]  * apachelogger needs to get Nightrose to fold his shirts
[10:44] <apachelogger> don't get that right either
[10:44] <Nightrose> hihi
[10:44] <Nightrose> no prob
[10:44] <apachelogger> yay
[10:44]  * apachelogger goes bug triaging again
[11:27] <mhb> hi folks
[11:27] <mhb> hope everything is going well
[11:28] <jussi01> heya mhb
[11:28] <mhb> I wish I had less school these days so I could hang out here with you...
[11:28] <jussi01> mhb: :)
[11:28] <Nightrose> hey mhb :) how are you?
[11:29] <mhb> Nightrose: I'm doing well, but I'm not leaving school before 19:00 4 days a week
[11:30] <Nightrose> meh
[11:30] <Riddell> these KDE 4 CDs are one problem after another
[11:30]  * jussi01 sighs... sad :(
[11:31] <mhb> Nightrose: meh? as a sign of "I don't care"?
[11:31] <mhb> Nightrose: I still don't grasp what "meh" really means
[11:31] <Riddell> but I'm pretty sure that there's only one problem left, then make CDs, test and voila
[11:31] <Nightrose> meh as a sign of "bah that is bad" ;-)
[11:32] <mhb> Riddell: that's too bad
[11:32] <jussi01> Riddell: please let me know if and when they come out :)
[11:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: tell me about it .... neon was due on saturday ;-)
[11:49] <apachelogger> -.-
[11:50] <apachelogger> I just br0ke my system to reproduce a bug
[11:50] <apachelogger> my all nu hardy installation
[11:50]  * apachelogger could start crying right away
[11:50]  * blizzzek passes apachelogger a hanky
[11:50]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[11:52] <apachelogger> oh
[11:52] <apachelogger> ah
[11:52] <apachelogger> eh
[11:52] <apachelogger> omg
[11:52] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:52] <apachelogger> yay
[11:52] <apachelogger> bug 194814
[11:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194814 in kdebase-kde4 "A lot of programms can't start because of KComponentData" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194814
[11:53] <apachelogger> bug #194814
[11:53] <apachelogger> haha :D
[11:53] <apachelogger> people br0ke their installations with Riddell's Qt 4.4 snapshot
[11:53]  * apachelogger marks this bug as 'super strange, but invalid'
[11:58] <hunger> apachelogger: Hey, I have that one too! And I did not even need Riddel's Qt4.4 snapshot;-)
[12:00] <apachelogger> hunger: right, you randomly break your system eitherway :P
[12:00] <hunger> apachelogger: Well, this time my system is fine... I just can not get kde 4.1 to work.
[12:01] <hunger> THe kde4 debs work fine...
[12:01] <hunger> and usually I get my system broken by you ubuntu guys.
[12:01] <apachelogger> sure :P
[12:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: note hunger as possible test candidate for a possible global neon
[12:02] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:02] <Nightrose> k
[12:02] <hunger> Nightrose: I update usually once per 60min, so I'll test it whether you mark me out or not:-)
[12:02]  * apachelogger tries fixing his system again
[12:03] <Nightrose> hunger: *g* alright
[12:03] <Nightrose> you are on the list anyway
[12:04] <hunger> apachelogger: And by the way: I did not have any mayor issues since I started putting /etc under revision control. It helps a lot to have the old files around and to know which version of which deb was installed when things were still working;-)
[12:04] <hunger> Too bad that lp spec never got of the ground.
[12:04] <apachelogger> yeah, sounds reasonable
[12:05] <apachelogger> omg
[12:05] <apachelogger> -.-
[12:05] <apachelogger> network-manager got uninstalled
[12:05]  * apachelogger is connectionless
[12:17] <serega> hi everybody!
[12:17] <jussi01> heya serega
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hey serega, jussi01
[12:23] <jussi01> gday Hobbsee
[12:24] <serega> Hi, Hobbsee
[13:06] <seele> is nixternal the only one working on kubuntu kickoff?
[13:07] <seele> i havent checked out the latest live cd, but i noticed the menu selection highlight is full-width rather than variable (what the plasma team is pushing)
[13:07] <seele> just so you know, i fully support full width selection so dont feel like you have to change the selection highlight size to whatever is in kde svn :P
[13:11] <Riddell> seele: I don't think nixternal has done anything with it, apachelogger did add some patches
[13:22] <seele> Riddell: ok
[13:25] <nixternal> apachelogger: tags are stupid
[13:27] <nixternal> seele: I took a look at the code base, and aaron was right, there are a couple of ways to go with getting the dark themes fixed
[13:31] <nixternal> jeesh, the tag base has grown
[13:32] <jjesse> is that a good thing?
[13:32] <jjesse> nixternal: sent you an email last night
[13:32] <nixternal> ya, just got it
[13:33] <jjesse> cool
[13:33] <jjesse> i'm also having problems commit the changes i made last night to the network.xml file, keeps saying no changes
[13:34] <nixternal> after you made the changes and did 'bzr commit' it says no changes?
[13:34] <nixternal> or when you try to push it
[13:34] <jjesse> when i push it
[13:34] <jjesse> try to push it
[13:35] <txwikinger> make a change :)
[13:35] <jjesse> i did
[13:35] <nixternal> interesting...move the network.xml out of the directory, do bzr up, and then move the network.xml back and give it another shot
[13:35] <jjesse> and did a successfull bzr commit
[13:35] <jjesse> ok i'll will when i have some time later today
[13:45] <Riddell> all new kubuntu-kde4 CDs up for testing
[13:45] <Riddell> these ones are going to work, I just know it
[13:46] <Riddell> jussi01:
[13:48] <nixternal> Riddell: hehe, did you see my message the other day about them?
[13:48] <Riddell> nixternal: which one?
[13:48] <Riddell> startkde script was broken, I've fixed that
[13:48] <nixternal> about the LiveCD version not going to the desktop, but you could install, installed very slow, and yes the startkde script
[13:48] <seele> is downloading updates for alpha 5 sufficient or do i have to get the latest live cd?
[13:48] <nixternal> with startkde fixed that knocks out two issues
[13:49] <jussi01> Riddell: nice:) Ill grab one soon :D
[13:49] <nixternal> seele: it is a new LiveCD for just KDE 4 only
[13:49] <Riddell> seele: I'm looking for CD testing just now
[13:49] <seele> nixternal: the daily?  or the hardy alpha 5?  i found two places to download something
[13:50] <nixternal> I will grab one after my conference call and happily remove this Ubuntu install :)
[13:50] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily-live/20080227.2/  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily/20080227.3/
[13:50] <nixternal> seele: kubuntu-kde4/
[13:50] <nixternal> there you go :)
[13:50] <seele> kk thanks
[13:50] <nixternal> hehe
[13:53] <apachelogger> nixternal: not when doing proper bug triaging :P
[13:54] <nixternal> plus, some of those don't need upstream reports
[13:55] <apachelogger> nixternal: for example?
[13:58] <nixternal> power possibly, the gtk icons one in the taskbar
[13:58] <nixternal> those are the 2 at the top of my head
[14:00] <apachelogger> nixternal: easier to remove unncessary tags than to add them for 3bill existing reports
[14:01] <nixternal> true
[14:01] <nixternal> hahaha, 3 billion
[14:01] <nixternal> 100 million dollars
[14:04] <nixternal> the BBC, AP, Sky, or any news outlet has nothing on IRC
[14:04] <nixternal> we knew of the earthquake 2 hours before it hit the news :p
[14:04] <apachelogger> lol
[14:09] <vorian> moin everyone :)
[14:09] <vorian> i just packaged the kde4 port for keurocalc
[14:10] <vorian> is it too late for hardy? or do you think this warrants an exception?
[14:10] <jpatrick> vorian: FFe need yeah
[14:10] <vorian> werd
[14:11] <vorian> thanks jpatrick :)
[14:13] <jpatrick> vorian: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-February/025128.html
[14:14] <vorian> jpatrick, I've done a couple ff exceptions for updates
[14:15] <jpatrick> vorian: just a little heads up that he'll be after your bllod if you get a new package in without his approval ;)
[14:15] <vorian> who wha?
[14:15] <vorian> :)
[14:17] <vorian> jpatrick, jr?
[14:18] <jpatrick> vorian: the motu-release team
[14:18] <vorian> ok
[14:18] <vorian> :)
[14:44] <jussi01> apachelogger: you about?
[14:47] <ScottK> about what?
[14:47] <apachelogger> omg, I feel work
[14:48] <jussi01> ScottK: about quassel which is in his ppa ;)
[14:48] <jussi01> apachelogger: no, not really ;)
[14:48] <jussi01> apachelogger: may I pm for a moment?
[14:49] <apachelogger> jussi01: only if you behave yourself ;-)
[14:49] <jussi01> sure
[15:00] <soussou> hi all
[15:00] <soussou> what would be the best qt4 IDE?
[15:01] <soussou> someone said kdevelop
[15:01] <soussou> but are there any qt4 IDEs?
[15:02] <nosrednaekim> well, qt-designer makes it easy to make the GUI's
[15:02] <hunger> soussou: If you want to do qt only apps using qmake, then you might want to check qdevelep.
[15:02] <soussou> I know it does, I was just wondering how it stacks up against qdeveloper
[15:02] <ScottK> qdevelop is in Hardy.
[15:02] <ScottK> ..er
[15:03] <hunger> soussou: Otherwise kdevelop is nice, eclipse can be used as well, but does not really support Qt per se.
[15:03] <soussou> thanks guys
[15:04] <soussou> someone just said qdevelop is in hardy, I just tried a quick search, nothing came up
[15:05] <soussou> what repos is it in?
[15:05] <jpatrick> !info qdevelop hardy
[15:05] <ubotu> qdevelop (source: qdevelop): A development environment entirely dedicated to Qt4. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.25.2-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 1294 kB, installed size 2744 kB
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> !info qdevelop (hardy)
[15:05] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: ..
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> bleh :)
[15:05] <soussou> ubotu: what repos r u using?
[15:05] <jpatrick> !bot | soussou
[15:05] <ubotu> soussou: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> !ubotu
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> i'm slow today
[15:06] <soussou> LOL, i thought I was talking to some smart dude
[15:11] <jpatrick> soussou: you are
[15:22] <Riddell> awooga, all the CDs work
[15:24] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll see if I can find something to upload to fix that.
[15:24] <Riddell> is anyone else testing them?  seele, nixternal?
[15:25] <seele> Riddell: i havent yet.. i was planning to at my next break
[15:25] <seele> (in all day testing today)
[15:26] <Riddell> thanks
[15:26] <Riddell> jussi01?
[15:26] <serega> Riddell: hi
[15:26] <Riddell> hi serega
[15:27] <serega> Riddell: could you look at my patch?
[15:28] <Riddell> serega: where is it?
[15:28] <nixternal> Riddell: I am going to test alternative now
[15:28] <serega> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/919149
[15:28] <Riddell> nixternal: great
[15:33] <Nightrose> Riddell: I can test later (in 2 hours or so)
[15:33] <Riddell> serega: looks good
[15:33] <Riddell> Nightrose: thanks
[15:34] <Riddell> serega: recommends need commas between them otherwise I'll upload
[15:35] <serega> Riddell: ah... I'll fix it in seconds. Could you suggest me a source of "LEGAL TEXT" to copy?
[15:36] <Riddell> serega: legal text?  I can add the commas, that's just as easy
[15:37] <serega> Riddell: please do
[15:37] <serega> Riddell: look at line 187 of the patch
[15:37] <neversfelde> Riddell: I tested alternate CD 27.3 i386, worked fine for me
[15:37] <serega> Riddell: it meant to be a warning about libdvdcss legal status
[15:39] <Riddell> neversfelde: fantastic, thanks!
[15:40] <Riddell> serega: hmm
[15:42] <Riddell> "This package allows you to watch encrypted DVD videos.  This is illegal in some countries because it has not been authorised by the copyright holder.  Do you want to install this package?"
[15:42] <serega> Riddell: sounds very nice
[15:43] <seele> there is a 27.3 now?
[15:43]  * seele redownloads
[15:43] <serega> Riddell: could you add this to the patch too?
[15:43] <Riddell> seele: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily-live/20080227.2/
[15:43] <seele> ok.. that's what i have
[15:43] <Riddell> seele: alternates are .3, live/desktops are .2
[15:43] <seele> ah hah
[15:44] <Riddell> since neversfelde has tested an alternate live/desktops could do with the testing
[15:44] <serega> Riddell: mm... "This package" isn't good
[15:44]  * Nightrose will test live cd for i386
[15:44] <serega> Riddell: libdvdcss is not mentioned before this dialog
[15:45] <Riddell> "LibDVDCSS is about to be installed.  This package allows you to watch encrypted DVD videos.  This is illegal in some countries because it has not been authorised by the copyright holder.  Do you want to install this package?"
[15:45] <Riddell> "LibDVDCSS is about to be installed, it allows you to watch encrypted DVD videos.  This is illegal in some countries because it has not been authorised by the copyright holder.  Do you want to install this package?"
[15:46] <serega> Riddell: LibDVDCSS (http://link.to.homepage)
[15:46] <Riddell> "LibDVDCSS (http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html) is about to be installed, it allows you to watch encrypted DVD videos.  This is illegal in some countries which require decryption to be authorised by the copyright holder.  Do you want to install this package?"
[15:47] <serega> Riddell: it times nicer than my variants :)
[15:47] <serega> thanks you
[15:48] <serega> *thank
[15:51] <Riddell> serega: sorted, uploading
[15:51] <soussou> is there a tutorial on how to install qdevelop in gutsy?
[15:51] <soussou> I know that qdevelop was added to hardy, but I haven't moved to heron yet
[15:52] <Riddell> soussou: there's no packages for it.  you'd need to ask the qdevelop project for how to install manually
[15:53] <soussou> I see, but it was added to hardy, am I right?
[15:53] <Riddell> soussou: yes
[15:53] <soussou> is there another decent qt4 IDE I can use in gutsy?
[15:53] <soussou> besides kdevelop
[15:54] <soussou> I need one that seamlessly integrates qtdesigner preferably
[15:54] <hunger> soussou: Emacs, vi.
[15:54] <soussou> lol
[15:54] <iRon> soussou: for c++ programming? or python?
[15:54] <hunger> soussou: Sorry, I counld not resist.
[15:54] <soussou> i should have expected that one
[15:54] <Riddell> eric maybe
[15:54] <soussou> vim actually works better for me
[15:54] <soussou> c++ programming mainly
[15:54] <hunger> soussou: Designer tends to behave strange when embedded into other apps... I always use it stand alone.
[15:55] <soussou> hunger: ok then, maybe I ll just stick with codeblocks, and code the GUI separately
[15:55] <hunger> soussou: Well, maybe it did get better. I am using it standalone only for a couple of versions now;-)
[15:56] <fdoving> soussou: this is good: http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php
[15:56] <soussou> vim RULES, I don't need an editor though
[15:56] <soussou> I need a full fledged IDE
[15:56] <soussou> with debugging and version control, and all the hooplas
[15:57] <soussou> fdoving: I can lecture on vim for hours
[15:57] <soussou> but that'snot what I am after
[15:57] <hunger> So far I have not seen any IDE that is as good as specialized standalone apps and a couple of scripts.
[15:58] <seele> ew, installer text isnt anti-aliased
[15:58] <Riddell> seele: yeah, known problem
[15:58] <soussou> ok, qmake and .pro should do the job
[15:58] <soussou> thanks guys
[15:58] <seele> ok
[15:58] <seele> (as if you couldn't tell.. just popped the cd in now)
[15:58] <Riddell> arne says he's looking at changing fontconfig so its antialiased by default
[15:58] <fdoving> i've tried qdevelop, kscope and kdevelop, i always end up going back to vim in a terminal.
[15:58] <hunger> soussou: You might want to check ddd for debugging... its GUI is still using motif, but it is really nice otherwise.
[15:59] <seele> Riddell: well it's weird because the rest of the environment is antialiased, same with the dialog title.  just the regular text isnt
[15:59] <Riddell> seele: this is KDE 4?
[15:59] <soussou> hunger: i will do it, thanks for the tip
[15:59] <seele> yes
[15:59] <seele> e.g. Keyboard Layout title is anti aliased, but the other text in the list and on the buttons is not
[16:00] <Riddell> seele: right, large fonts are antialiased
[16:00] <Riddell> I think that's down to obsolete fontconfig settings
[16:07] <seele> when you select Manual, click next to the screen, and click Back, it should take you to the Prepare disk space screen and not Keyboard layout
[16:07] <seele> same with the second Guided option after it takes you to the next screen
[16:08] <seele> also, the second Guided option shouldn't automatically take you to the next screen when you make the radio selection.. you should click Next and then get the extra Guided options
[16:10] <Riddell> it takes you to the next screen or it just enables some widgets?
[16:11] <seele> Riddell: new widgets appear and others disappear so it looks like a new screen
[16:11] <seele> Riddell: its not just enabling the SCSI option that is disabled
[16:11] <Riddell> hum
[16:11] <seele> hmm.. ubiquity just froze after clicking Skip for disk scanning
[16:11] <seele> Riddell: do you know what i mean?  or did i not describe it well?
[16:14] <Riddell> seele: I've added your comments to my TODO and I'll take a look when have my planned ubiquity day soon
[16:14] <seele> ok, let me know if youhave any questions
[16:14] <Riddell> skip and cancel buttons have been very badly tested
[16:14] <seele> hum.. have to start over.. ubiquity wont start after crashing
[16:29] <Riddell> nixternal: anything to add to this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha5/KubuntuKDE4
[16:49] <serega> Riddell: Jon, looks like you have forgot to add comma separators for recommends: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/kaffeine/0.8.6-0ubuntu5
[16:49] <serega> Riddell: builds are failed
[16:50] <Riddell> oh doh, I did
[17:11] <Nightrose> Riddell: going to test the live cd now - want me to test something specific or just the usual stuff?
[17:12] <Riddell> Nightrose: just that it installs and runs
[17:12] <Nightrose> don´t have a spare pc to test installing :(
[17:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: VirtualBox
[17:13] <Nightrose> ok trying that later
[17:15] <seele> ah, no games available.  those are the things that sometimes didnt work
[17:16] <Riddell> Nightrose: well that it runs then
[17:16] <Nightrose> k
[17:17] <Nightrose> will set up a virtual box later maybe
[17:25] <Nightrose> Riddell: gwenview still crashes on startup
[17:26] <Riddell> works for me
[17:26] <Nightrose> hmmm
[17:27] <neversfelde> is it possible to test amd64 CDs in a virtualbox?
[17:32] <Riddell> neversfelde: only on an amd64 machine I expect
[17:33] <neversfelde> this is one, but I do not use amd64. Shall I try the desktop amd64 CD, or is this already done?
[17:33] <Riddell> neversfelde: give it a try
[17:34] <neversfelde> k
[17:35] <Nightrose> hmm the new device applet is acting strange - no black background when adding it to the desktop
[17:35] <Nightrose> instead it shows 4 tiles with random bits of the desktop
[17:36] <Nightrose> fine when moving it
[17:39] <Riddell> also works for me
[17:39] <Riddell> stop finding bugs! :)
[17:40] <Riddell> seele: did you get it installed?
[17:40] <Nightrose> *lol* ok
[17:40] <Nightrose> well the rest works fine so far
[17:40] <apachelogger> Nightrose: these might as well be graphic driver issues
[17:40] <apachelogger> realted to hardy
[17:40] <Riddell> groovy
[17:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: might be..
[17:41] <Nightrose> but this is the first time any graphic stuff works at all for me
[17:41] <Nightrose> so better than before
[17:41]  * Nightrose got wobbly windows \o/
[17:41] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:42] <apachelogger> how is that?
[17:42] <Riddell> Nightrose: really?  compiz?
[17:42] <apachelogger> uhhh
[17:42] <apachelogger> compiz
[17:42]  * apachelogger shudders
[17:42] <Nightrose> kwin stuff
[17:42] <Riddell> do they actually wobble?  kwin doesn't have a wibbly windows plugin
[17:42] <Nightrose> nah ok not really wobble ;-)
[17:42] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:42] <apachelogger> there was a PoC once
[17:43] <apachelogger> but it wasn't really wobbling but drunkenmode
[17:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: lies, nothing but lies
[17:43] <Nightrose> fall appart it is called
[17:43] <apachelogger> you probably don't have any issues
[17:44] <jpatrick> !lies | Nightrose
[17:44] <ubotu> Nightrose: Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[17:44] <Nightrose> oO
[17:44] <Nightrose> :P
[17:44] <Nightrose> meh - ok the next effect wasn´t soo good...
[17:44] <Nightrose> b0rked - but probably due to crappy hardware
[17:54] <Nightrose> ok I give up - everything else seems to work fine ;-)
[17:54] <Riddell> thanks Nightrose
[17:54] <Nightrose> yw - will try to set up a virtual box now
[17:54] <Nightrose> let´s see if it likes me :P
[18:33] <LaserJock> can KDE menus handle .xpms for icons?
[18:35] <Riddell> I think so
[18:37] <LaserJock> I would think so since a great many icons in /usr/share/pixmaps/ are .xpm
[18:37] <Riddell> yes, I'm pretty certain it can
[18:37] <LaserJock> I just got a bug report that adds a 300+ KB diff to add pngs
[18:38] <LaserJock> supposedly for KDE
[18:38] <Riddell> bug no?
[18:39] <LaserJock> bug #196194
[18:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196194 in rasmol "[hardy] please include icons" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196194
[18:39] <LaserJock> I don't have KDE installed on this laptop, but in Gnome the menu icon surely shows up
[18:39] <LaserJock> I would assume KDE would be the same
[18:41] <Riddell> it says Icon=rasmol but the only icons included are /usr/share/pixmaps/rasmol_32x32.xpm and /usr/share/pixmaps/rasmol_48x48.xpm
[18:41] <LaserJock> hmm
[18:42] <LaserJock> so maybe gnome picks that up and KDE doesn't?
[18:42] <Riddell> maybe.  it's entirely non-standard
[18:42] <Riddell> ln -s /usr/share/pixmaps/rasmol_48x48.xpm /usr/share/pixmaps/rasmol.xpm  might help
[18:43] <LaserJock> hmm, it seems to have been changed in the the latest release
[18:44] <LaserJock> in any case, I don't think we need a 300KB diff to add pngs ;-)
[18:44] <Riddell> yes, it does
[18:45] <LaserJock> yep, checking on Hardy in gnome the icons don't show up
[18:45] <LaserJock> ok, so I think just doing a symlink will fix it for everybody
[19:01] <Nightrose> ok virtual box seems to work now after beating it a few times - installing from the live cd now now
[19:02] <Nightrose> -now
[19:02] <demir> hi
[19:02] <Riddell> good luck
[19:02] <Riddell> hi demir
[19:04] <demir> thanks
[19:04] <Nightrose> I think good luck was for me ;-)
[19:04] <Nightrose> hope I don´t need it
[19:10] <nixternal> Riddell: do you want the release notes for the KDE 4 page all doctored up, or is it fine the way it is?
[19:10] <nixternal> I need to come up with a better releases note method
[19:11] <Riddell> nixternal: I'm happy keeping it simple
[19:11] <nixternal> I am glad you said that :)
[19:15] <seele> network manager doesn't start on it's own the first time you log in to kde4?
[19:15] <Riddell> I'm a bit worried that seele has fallen off the internet during testing
[19:15] <Riddell> ah hah!
[19:15] <Nightrose> hehe
[19:15] <seele> hmm?
[19:15] <Riddell> just being paranoid :)
[19:15] <Riddell> seele: no, the autostart file needs to be moved
[19:15] <seele> Riddell: ok
[19:15] <Riddell> same for adept updater
[19:17] <nosrednaekim> Riddell» just wondering, how long does it normally take for a package to be moved to main?
[19:17] <seele> hmm.. no flash plugin by default?
[19:19] <jpatrick> seele: copyright issues?
[19:19] <seele> jpatrick: i thought there was an open flash plugin
[19:19] <jpatrick> ah, yes...
[19:19] <seele> it's better than no flash plugin at all
[19:20] <nixternal> how come none of my videos work anymore...I can't watch any format... Kaffein, Dragon, VLC, KMPlayer, MPlayer, I don't care what it is, I can't watch a video :/
[19:20] <Riddell> not much better, it wouldn't come with the video codecs
[19:35] <neversfelde_> Riddell: no amd64 installation possible, but i386 desktop CD worked fine
[19:36] <Riddell> neversfelde_: not possible because of virtualbox limitation?
[19:36] <neversfelde_> Riddell: yes,
[19:37] <neversfelde_> you need to run virtualbox on amd64 to test amd64
[19:49] <Riddell> nixternal: fridge story to edit/publish
[19:51] <Nightrose> ok install in virtualbox went fine (german version) - restarting now and testing a little
[19:54] <Nightrose> ok this is strange...
[19:54] <Nightrose> gwenview crashes in live session in virtual box as well
[19:54] <Nightrose> but not in installed version
[19:54] <nixternal> Riddell: roger that
[20:01] <Nightrose> no obvious bugs - enough testing for today
[20:04] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping?
[20:06] <nixternal> Riddell: posted
[20:49]  * nixternal goes for the alternate install
[20:59] <nixternal> so far so good on Kubuntu-KDE4 alternate
[21:00] <vorian> nixternal, your blog is gonna get hammered
[21:00] <vorian> :P
[21:00] <vorian> it's already sluggish
[21:00] <nixternal> won't be the first time
[21:00] <nixternal> it will go down here shortly
[21:00] <nixternal> that is why I don't add Digg crap to my blog
[21:00] <vorian> $10 says digg frontpage by the end of the day
[21:00] <vorian> hehe
[21:00] <nixternal> I tried once, and it killed the site within 5 minutes
[21:01] <ScottK> For a moment there I thought I read "* nixternal goes for the alternate lifestyle"
[21:01] <nixternal> don't ask don't tell
[21:01] <vorian> ScottK, I think that's what he meant
[21:01] <vorian> :)
[21:01]  * nosrednaekim goes to read his blog
[21:01] <ScottK> nixternal was motivated by the recut of Top Gun I sent him a few weeks ago.
[21:02] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[21:02] <vorian> amd64 is a sloooooow download
[21:02] <nixternal> that was awesome though
[21:02] <nixternal> I bet I am the only one who has top gun on dvd and watches it no less than 3 times a month
[21:03] <vorian> I always cry when Dr. Greene dies
[21:03] <vorian> um, I mean Goose
[21:03] <nixternal> heh
[21:04] <nixternal> that is a movie I watch over and over, and never once expect what's coming up
[21:04] <nixternal> it is like the first time I have seen it every time :p
[21:04] <Nightrose> vorian: dr green dying in ER is very sad as well...
[21:04] <vorian> Nightrose, yes
[21:05] <nixternal> bah, ER is horrible
[21:05] <vorian> when he left the show, I stopped watching
[21:05] <nixternal> they have only filmed like 3 scenes of the entire show in Chicago
[21:05] <Nightrose> oO nixternal - beware the ER fan ;-)
[21:05] <vorian> It's amazing they still can come up with new stuff
[21:05] <nixternal> Las Vegas FTW!
[21:05] <nixternal> and Chuck!
[21:05] <vorian> Chuck is awesome
[21:05] <nixternal> and Boston Legal!
[21:05] <nixternal> Denny Crane is da man!
[21:05] <Nightrose> boston legal rocks yea
[21:05] <vorian> Life is pretty good too
[21:06] <serega> is it normal when debian/patches/00list is absent?
[21:06] <nixternal> only thing I watch on Fox is Nascar :p
[21:06] <Nightrose> not so sure about lost any more
[21:06] <nixternal> serega: depends on the patching system used
[21:06] <nixternal> 00list is used for dpatch, series is used for quilt
[21:06] <nixternal> and simple-patchsys is just that, simple, you using nothing :0
[21:06] <serega> nixternal: oh... thanks
[21:07] <serega> is there a generic way to install all the patches from debian/patches?
[21:07] <nixternal> actually I was wrong with simple-patchsys, you need to do debian/rules trickery
[21:07] <nixternal> I like quilt for patching, it is nice and simple, so is dpatch though
[21:08] <serega> neither 00list nor series is present
[21:08] <nixternal> simple-patchsys is easy too, there are only 2 lines to add in debian/rules for it
[21:08] <nixternal> $(MAKE) -f /some/directory/file patch
[21:09] <nixternal> $(MAKE) -f /some/directory/file unpatch
[21:09] <nixternal> Riddell: Alternate CD installed!
[21:09]  * nixternal reboots to see if it starts :)
[21:09] <serega> nixternal: do I need to run configure and generate Makefiles?
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> FOX == 24 == awesomeness
[21:10] <nixternal> no, debuild/dpkg-buildpackage/pbuilder does it for you
[21:12] <nixternal> Riddell: Kubuntu-KDE alternate amd64 works like a charm
[21:12] <nixternal> need to tweak our KDE fonts too
[21:12] <_StefanS_> anyone know if kdesudo-kde4 still needs to have the password dialog subclassed from kde4 api?
[21:13] <nixternal> I don't know
[21:13] <_StefanS_> uhm ..
[21:13] <_StefanS_> I wonder where Tonio_ is
[21:14] <ScottK> Would one of you great KDE developers have a moment to help a lowly packager out with a spot of code ripping out?
[21:15] <_StefanS_> ScottK: maybe i can help
[21:15] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:15] <ScottK> The latest version of Klamav removed on access scanning, but left the U/I for it.
[21:16] <ScottK> So I was hoping to remove that bit of U/I since it doesn't work.
[21:16] <ScottK> My attempts at it so far invariable segfault.
[21:16] <ScottK> invariable/invariably.
[21:16] <ScottK> So I thought maybe someone who knows what they're doing might have more luck.
[21:17] <_StefanS_> sure i can try
[21:17] <_StefanS_> send me a screenshot with the stuff marked for removal
[21:17] <ScottK> OK
[21:17] <_StefanS_> and the package name
[21:17] <_StefanS_> or source..
[21:19] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: Here's the source https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/klamav/0.42-0ubuntu2
[21:20] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: is it dpkg-source something to unpack it like apt-get source does it?
[21:20] <_StefanS_> cant remember
[21:21] <jpatrick> _StefanS_: dget -x the .dsc
[21:21] <_StefanS_> ah yep -x :)
[21:21]  * _StefanS_ is nearly 30, so the brain starts to become mushy
[21:21] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: Hah.  I'm 50% older than you so quit whining.
[21:22] <_StefanS_> oh my you old geezer
[21:22] <_StefanS_> :D
[21:22] <ScottK2> Yep
[21:22] <ScottK2> Marking up the screen shot now.
[21:22] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: how was the fighting in WWII ?
[21:26] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: I'm compiling it now
[21:26] <nixternal> does kde 4 compositing work with the fglrx driver?
[21:27] <nixternal> I am seeing weird behavior using the r300 driver, ie. black horizontal lines coming off the corners of open windows
[21:27] <_StefanS_> nixternal: guess it should, but I havent tested. Threw out all ATI i could.
[21:27] <nixternal> lol, I wish I could do the same right about now
[21:27] <_StefanS_> nixternal: oh wasn't there some issues in the latest svn version on that..
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» yep
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» the new ones at least
[21:27] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: yep as in fglxr works
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> yeah, i'm using 7.12 right now
[21:28] <nixternal> do you have to configure anything silly, like that xgl whatever crap?
[21:28] <_StefanS_> nixternal: i think xgl is obsolete now since glx is properly supported in the flgrx drviers
[21:28] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: http://www.kitterman.com/test/klamav.jpg
[21:28] <nixternal> groovy
[21:28] <_StefanS_> blah_from_pixmap or whatever
[21:29] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» nope, it all Just Works.
[21:29] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: do you need the whole tab to go away?
[21:29] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: Yes
[21:29] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: an ofcourse the rightclick menu
[21:29] <_StefanS_> sure. let me look at it
[21:29] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: awesome, I will go ahead and install the fglrx drivers then
[21:30] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: Yes.  Thanks.  Blank would be an improvement over what we have now if making it go away is hard.
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» I warn you to follow the official instructions, and advise you to install without making it into a DEB.
[21:30] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: where do you get that rightclick  menu?
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> :)
[21:31] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: oh, so don't grab the fglrx drivers from the repos?
[21:31] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: You have to start the program first.  It should appear then
[21:31] <nixternal> ie. through restricted-manager
[21:31] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: ah the tray menu ;)
[21:31] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» unless you are on hardy
[21:31] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: thought it was in the main window
[21:31] <nixternal> I am on hardy
[21:31] <nixternal> OK, sweet
[21:32] <nosrednaekim> !info xserver-driver-fglrx (hardy)
[21:32] <ubotu> Package xserver-driver-fglrx does not exist in hardy
[21:32] <nosrednaekim> !info xorg-driver-fglrx (hardy)
[21:32] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.9-10.27)): Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:7.1.0-8-02+2.6.24.9-10.27 (hardy), package size 9672 kB, installed size 29420 kB
[21:32] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» yeah, you should be fine with that one then
[21:33] <nixternal> dang, you can't use jockey in kde4 system settings
[21:33] <nixternal> oh, you can just run 'jockey-kde'
[21:34] <nixternal> nice
[21:35] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: Well I couldn't fix either the main window tab or the tray menu right-click thing, so whatever you can manage would be a great help.
[21:35] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: will test in a moment
[21:36] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: forgot to run debuild -nc, so its recompiling the whole thing
[21:36] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: are you from US, btw?
[21:36] <ScottK2> Yes.
[21:37] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: is the Q9450 core 2 quad available there?
[21:37] <ScottK2> Dunno.
[21:38] <_StefanS_> ok, just wanted to ask because I have to wait like a month to get one here in DK
[21:38] <nixternal> jockey-kde doesn't work :(
[21:39] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: The site I normally buy from doesn't even list it.
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» there's always good old apt-get :)
[21:40] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: it should be out in US at 20 january or something
[21:40] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: was supposed to I mean
[21:40] <_StefanS_> anyways, doesnt matter ;)
[21:41]  * ScottK2 doesn't tend to chase the latest hardware.  My hardy test laptop is a PIII 700 w/256MB RAM.
[21:41] <ScottK2> Up until 3 months ago, it was my only laptop.
[21:45] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: wow you must have alot of time since you're using a P3 ;)
[21:45] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: maybe I should donate a dual core machine to your testing stuff :)
[21:46] <ScottK> New laptop is dual core.
[21:47] <_StefanS_> ScottK: good :)
[21:47] <_StefanS_> ScottK: btw, the menu option and tab is gone now.
[21:47] <_StefanS_> ScottK: just need to fix a quick segfault on exit
[21:48] <nixternal> Tm_T: you know what, I still haven't gotten any special box for you yet
[21:49] <ScottK2> Great.
[21:51] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: I installed fglrx via apt-get, wth am I supposed to do next...obviously you can tell I haven't messed with this garbage before... I remember a couple of years ago having to do something with aticonfig --initial or something
[21:52] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» just go into the xorg.conf and change Driver "ati" to Driver "fglrx"
[21:52] <nixternal> heh, there is no xorg.conf :p
[21:53] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/disable-autoscan.diff
[21:53] <nosrednaekim>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:53] <nosrednaekim> oh great ... 7.3?
[21:53] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: Looking.  Thanks
[21:53] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: np
[21:53] <nixternal> whatever comes with the hardy cd I just installed from :)
[21:54] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» uhhhh ok..... I have NO CLUE how 7.3 handles driver changes
[21:54] <nixternal> ya, 7.3
[21:54] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: it was some queries to klamd object that made it crash. you can always compile with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip to get the debugging info in the kcrash dialog
[21:55] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: show linenumber and filename.
[21:55] <_StefanS_> show/shows
[21:55]  * _StefanS_ wonders why 2d is so slow with the nvidia binary driver
[21:56] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: Thanks
[21:56] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: launching kdeinit in a konsole window will also give you the output of Kdebug statements in the code
[21:56] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: hope it works :D
[21:58]  * ScottK2 is compiling now
[21:59] <ScottK2> More precisely pbuilding it now, so it'll be a little while.
[21:59] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» huh.... seems maybe on reboot it will magically detect that you have fglrx installed?
[21:59] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» from what I read
[21:59] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: eew, its with all the dependencies... it will definitely take a while :)
[22:00] <ScottK> Well I've pbuilt klamav several times today, so they're all at least cached locally.
[22:00] <_StefanS_> yup that helps
[22:01] <_StefanS_> argh i hate those bzr urls
[22:03] <_StefanS_> oh my it worked in the first try
[22:03] <_StefanS_> :D
[22:05] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: isn't 24 postponed for the year?
[22:05] <Riddell> nixternal: thanks for testing!
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> Riddell» not that I heard... I thought it was just going to be later....like mayish
[22:07] <vorian> nosrednaekim, yeah, 24 is scheduled for Jan 09 :(
[22:07] <nosrednaekim> \0/
[22:08]  * nosrednaekim hates FOX... and the writers.
[22:08] <vorian> nosrednaekim, and one of the brains behind 24 quit
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> Riddell» you guys get 24 over there?
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> and american shows in general?
[22:09] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: not on normal tele, but the internet fixes that
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> right.
[22:10] <Riddell> sure, plenty of merkin shows, especially on digital only channels
[22:10] <Nightrose> same here but with a year delay or so - yay for the internets ;-)
[22:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: feel the quake last night, or was scotland too far north? (I'm guessing its the latter, since nobody had called in to BBC Radio 2 from Scotland about it)
[22:10] <nixternal> Comment:
[22:10] <nixternal> Great news! After a brief stint with OpenSuse I've come to learn just how much Kubuntu rocks. I've using KDE4 on gutsy right now, Hardy is going to be sweet!
[22:10] <nixternal> I love those type of comments
[22:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: certinaly did, shook me awake
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» XD
[22:11] <Riddell> nixternal: where's that?
[22:11] <nixternal> Riddell: my blog
[22:11] <ryanakca> Riddell: heh :)
[22:11] <nixternal> is it 6 months for KDE 4 community support?
[22:11] <nixternal> or 9
[22:11] <_StefanS_> brb
[22:12]  * ryanakca thinks he ought to publish something kubuntu-ish to the planet... haven't written an entry in ages
[22:12] <rbrunhuber> Riddell, hit by earthquake, Sydney (thats where Hobbsee) is by heavy storm and rain.
[22:12] <Riddell> nixternal: 6
[22:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: try out the kde 4 cd and blog it
[22:12] <rbrunhuber> Seems to be quite dangerous to be kubuntu member ;-). Maybe Nature wants its LTS?!
[22:13] <ryanakca> rbrunhuber: lol, I'm safe, as long as snowmen don't decide to wake up and attack me :)
[22:13] <rbrunhuber> where are you located ryanakca
[22:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: could do that, *adds buying blank CDs to his TODO*
[22:15] <ryanakca> rbrunhuber: Kingston, Ontario, Canada http://tinyurl.com/39f3pg
[22:15] <_StefanS_> is it me, or is kde4 on hardy gotten faster ?
[22:15] <_StefanS_> probably just me :D
[22:16] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: I haven't noticed anything, but that might be because I haven't run an update in the past few days
[22:16] <_StefanS_> uhm, just seems, ehm more efficient when doing stuff
[22:16] <_StefanS_> i wonder if its because of preload
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> oh!.... I forgot I had loaded preload... thats why it got faster!
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:17] <_StefanS_> heh
[22:18] <ryanakca> woah, 349MB update... thank god my bandwidth limit is rather high... preload? *googles*
[22:18] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: there was a recent article regarding it
[22:18] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: cant remember where
[22:19] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: http://www.techthrob.com/tech/preload.php ?
[22:20] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: yep, that was it
[22:20] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: alot of stuff seems to run smoother. I dont think i'm imagining it.
[22:21] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: currently mine is using 256mb ram
[22:23]  * _StefanS_ would like that patch for adjusting the size of the kicker panel getting into hardy.
[22:23] <Nightrose> didn´t apachelogger try that?
[22:24] <Nightrose> I think there were some problems with it
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> kicker?
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> you can resize that
[22:24] <_StefanS_> well the taskbar-plasmoid
[22:24] <_StefanS_> :D
[22:24] <_StefanS_> where?
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> oh...that.... I wish :)
[22:26] <_StefanS_> heh
[22:26] <_StefanS_> you can do that on suse.... if you can ever get suse to boot that is.
[22:30] <nixternal> OK, this is really ticking me off...now I can't even log into KDE
[22:30]  * nixternal kicks the computer
[22:32] <nixternal> see, kicking the computer works
[22:32] <nixternal> it told me "hey moron, ~/.ICEauthority can't be written to you silly goose, sudo up"
[22:32] <ScottK2> You're just discovering this?
[22:32] <nixternal> KDE 4 is supa oogly w/o compositing
[22:33] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: Crashed for me on startup.
[22:33] <ScottK2> Urgh.
[22:35] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: What I did is here (dget -x again) if you wouldn't mind having a look http://www.kitterman.com/test/klamav_0.42-0ubuntu3.dsc to see what I messed up.
[22:36] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: what should I look for in the dsc file?
[22:36] <ScottK2> If you dget that, that will give you the package I built using your patch.
[22:36] <_StefanS_> oh
[22:36] <_StefanS_> :)
[22:36] <ScottK2> I'm hoping you can tell me what I messed up.
[22:36] <_StefanS_> i only used dpkg-source before
[22:36] <_StefanS_> 2secs.
[22:36] <ScottK2> dget -x does the same thing.
[22:39] <ryanakca> nixternal: I don't think I'm using compositing, and it doesn't look that bad... might just be because I'm used to it though :)
[22:39] <nixternal> krunner doesn't have a dumb white box behind it?
[22:39] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: uhm it seems okay, I will just try to compile it.
[22:39] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» use a dark theme and that disappeasrs ;)
[22:40] <ryanakca> nixternal: its only had one for the past week and a bit.
[22:40] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: (I mean you seem to have patched it correctly)
[22:41] <ScottK> Thanks
[22:41]  * ScottK will transition from sitting here pretending to do $WORK to being Dad for several hours in just a few minutes, please just let me know here and I'll read the scrollback.
[22:43] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: ok, testing it now.
[22:44] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: doesn't crash here
[22:45] <ScottK> _StefanS_: Thanks.  What architecture are you on?
[22:45] <_StefanS_> ScottK: ah..
[22:46] <_StefanS_> ScottK: you forgot to patch the stuff in QueryClose. Let me check, i might have made a mistake in the patch
[22:46] <_StefanS_> er, the diff.
[22:46] <ScottK> OK
[22:46] <ScottK> Thanks
[22:46]  * ScottK runs off to play Daddy.
[22:46] <_StefanS_> ScottK: you need to comment out the stuff in queryClose: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/disable-autoscan.diff
[22:47] <_StefanS_> ScottK:  bool Klamav::queryClose() {
[22:47] <_StefanS_> ScottK: then it should work.
[22:57] <serega> g'nite all
[23:42] <nixternal> Riddell: no ~/ folders at all with the KDE 4 alternate amd64 CD
[23:45] <Nightrose> nixternal: no hidden files/directories either?
[23:45] <Nightrose> because here there are a few
[23:45] <nixternal> well hidden files yes
[23:46] <Nightrose> ok
[23:46] <Nightrose> same here then
[23:46] <nixternal> I forget what the name of the spec was for the unified home directory stuff
[23:46] <nixternal> like Documents Graphics and so on
[23:46] <Nightrose> yea I knwo what you mean
[23:46] <nixternal> which doesn't bother me, because I hate folders with capital letters in them
[23:46] <Nightrose> hehe
[23:46] <nixternal> and I create my own anyways
[23:47] <nixternal> I have a-z folders pretty much
[23:48] <nixternal> http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper is the greatest wallpapers in the world!
[23:48] <Jucato> xdg-home-dirs iirc
[23:49] <nixternal> ya, that's them
[23:49] <nixternal> damn, interfacelift has wallpapers that remind me of puzzles they are so nice
[23:49] <Jucato> er user-dirs
[23:49] <nixternal> I love some of the old raggedy houses/landscape ones
[23:50]  * Jucato got addicted to night skyline pictures as wallpapers :)
[23:51] <nixternal> http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/downloads/01500_iceonthelake_1024x768.jpg
[23:51] <nixternal> you can see my old apartment in that picture
[23:51] <Jucato> O.o
[23:51] <nixternal> Jucato: like my Chicago night skyline?
[23:51] <nixternal> the tall black building all the way to the right
[23:51] <Jucato> the lonely black building? )
[23:51] <Jucato> :)
[23:52] <Jucato> nixternal: yeah, your chicago skyline started it :)
[23:52] <nixternal> http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/details.php?id=471
[23:52] <nixternal> http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/details.php?id=1178
[23:52] <nixternal> those are my 2 wallpapers I use
[23:52] <Nightrose> hmm where can I find a folder that I shared with a maschine in virtualbox? I told it to share a certain folder but can´t find it
[23:52] <nixternal> the colored one looks great on my big screen
[23:52] <Jucato> then this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Paris_Night.jpg
[23:52] <nixternal> Nightrose: no clue, I never once got the shared folders working in VBox
[23:52] <Nightrose> meh
[23:53] <Nightrose> ok workarounds it is then
[23:53] <nixternal> omg, that Paris one is beautiful
[23:53] <Jucato> yeah :)
[23:54] <Jucato> this one I'm using right now, although it's only centered :( http://www.farexplore.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/8/TokyoTower/TokyoTowerMoon.jpg
[23:55] <nixternal> I like the shot of the moon in that pic
[23:55] <Jucato> yeah
[23:55] <nixternal> I have a couple from interfacelift that people at our LUG events see on my laptop and think it belongs to a girl :)
[23:55] <nixternal> I have become a sucker for landscape wallpapers, and flowers
[23:55] <Jucato> lol
[23:55] <nixternal> wtf, flowers? me?
[23:56] <Jucato> hm.. considering the polos you wear, I'm not surprised one bit :)
[23:56] <nixternal> like that picture kwwii took a couple of years that was the wallpaper during KDE 4 alpha, I used that the day he posted it on his blog
[23:56] <Jucato> (or whatever you call those "shirts" that you wear over there :P)
[23:56]  * Nightrose uses a dark red one similar to the blue hardy wallpaper (by the same guy)
[23:56] <nixternal> I like polos, shows off the muscles :p
[23:57] <Jucato> yeah.. big scary man.. wearing flowery polos :)
[23:57] <nixternal> oh, and black & white photography....like an idiot, I just bought a 8 foot panoramic picture of the Chicago skyline
[23:57] <nixternal> it is 8 foot by 2.5 feet high
[23:58] <Jucato> O.o
[23:58] <nixternal> oh, my flowery shirt isn't a polo
[23:58] <nixternal> a polo is a 3 button shirt, ie. Raulph Lauren Polo
[23:58] <Nightrose> b/w photography <3
[23:58] <nixternal> the flower shirts are my beach shirts :)
[23:58] <nixternal> I have no idea what they call them, most people call them ugly, but I like um
[23:58] <Jucato> oh... I meant the type of clothes.  not the brand :)
[23:58] <Jucato> oh well nvm :P
[23:59] <nixternal> well that is where the name comes from
[23:59] <Jucato> gotta find the correct name for that type of shirt hehe :)
[23:59] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/1701318055/sizes/l/