mptGooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!00:00
jmlmpt: helloo00:19
mib_u3hwzal9Quick question: what is the average latency of vcs-import from the time a project is registered? I'm not in a rush, I'm just curious.00:41
HobbseeRead the page help to understand how removals work.01:40
Hobbseewhere's the page help?01:40
mptHobbsee, something actually says "read the page help"?01:43
mptIf it does, please report it as a bug, and add the "navel-gazing" tag01:43
Hobbseempt: yeah, ppa package deletion page01:44
Hobbseempt: if you file it, it'll probably get fixed quicker, too01:44
mptHobbsee, I don't have a PPA, so I can't easily report it01:45
mptwell, I could set up one up locally01:45
* mpt tries01:45
Hobbseempt: enable your ppa :)01:45
mptSorry, I have a long-standing principle that I never do anything that starts with "Enable" ;-)01:46
mptah, so now I have a PPA, but it has no packages01:50
mptand I don't see the "read the page help" text anywhere01:50
mptnm, found it in the code01:51
Hobbseeyeah, i guess you'd need to add soem to delete some01:52
mptI don't have good words for explaining why that's wrong01:52
mptAlan Cooper expresses something similar when he says "Visually show what; textually show which"01:53
mptbut that's not quite the same thing01:53
mptThis problem is of the same type as when we used to have pages that started off talking about "the form below"01:53
mptAnother example is those alerts that say "Click 'Yes' to <something>. Click 'No' to <something else>."01:55
spivmpt: sort of "don't refer to something when you could give it to the user directly"?01:55
mptThat's what it is01:56
spivmpt: I was just about to use that word :)01:56
mptthanks spiv01:56
ScottK2mpt: Based on your comments in Bug #137448 and others, I really appreciate your efforts to make the LP U/I more sensible.02:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137448 in malone "New UI is confusing and counter inuitive for changing affected package" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137448 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)02:04
mptthanks :-)02:04
ubotuNew bug: #195984 in soyuz ""Delete packages" page says "Read the page help"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19598402:10
Hobbseempt: i forgot to mention that it seems the page help doesn't exist either02:11
mptaha, so it doesn't02:11
saculI'm trying to do some work for gnome-do a project on launchpad and I'm having some difficulty with getting it to load in monodeveloop.  is this the right place to ask my questions?02:33
saculwell.. the instructions say to use bzr to download the trunk which i have.. then run configure to create the .mds file.. unfortunately there is no configure fiel.02:34
michalskican anyone help him? Im the equivalent of a janitor here....02:35
saculthanks anyway michalski02:39
michalskino problem sorry02:39
michalskiyou should post it in launchpad02:39
michalskiin the answers section02:39
Hobbseeor see gnome-do support02:40
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jetsaredimquestion: I had 4 binary and 4 source packages in my ppa - i then successfully built two more packages (one hardy, one gutsy) - now my ppa lists 6 source and only 5 binary04:57
jetsaredimwhy is this?04:57
jetsaredimoop - looks like i'm just impatient - nm05:03
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mdkecarlos: hiya. I wanted to check something with you. If i upload a ubuntu-docs package with some amended po files for various languages (with fixes), will those translations take precedence over the ones committed by the tranlator teams so that the next time I download translations, they won't contain the errors which I fixed in my upload?08:41
carlosmdke: only if you upload them directly to each pofile's upload form and select 'user upload'08:42
carlosso you will need to do it one by one08:42
mdkecarlos: we have large quantities of broken po files for ubuntu-docs - is there no way it can be done in the package upload?08:44
carlosunfortunately, no, there is no way to do it automatically doing a package upload08:44
carlosif you do it that way08:44
carlosthe ui will show a fork from upstream08:45
carlosso users will be able to detect them easily and 'revert' those messages to what you uploaded08:45
carlosmdke: sorry, package source code08:45
mdkecarlos: is that something that could be fixed or is it a policy?08:45
mdkei mean, could I file a bug about this?08:45
mrevellLaunchpad users meeting in #launchpad-meeting in 12 minutes08:46
carlosmdke: it's the way it works. We could think about a way to do it from the template upload form, but I don't see how could we differentiate from a package upload when it should modify translations automatically and when it shouldn't...08:46
mdkecarlos: is there something wrong with a policy that says a package upload should always modify translations if the po file changes?08:47
carlosmdke: you can file a bug for anything you want, we will need to discuss it whether we can find a good solution or whether is impossible to fit your needs...08:47
mdkesure, but there's no point me filing a bug if there is a clear policy reason why my needs can't be implemented ;)08:47
carlosmdke: well, that's a problem, yes, because any fix done by Ubuntu translators would be reverted with each package update08:47
mdkecarlos: ah, because in most packages po files are included from upstream?08:48
mdkeI see08:48
carlosubuntu-doc is just a special case08:48
mdkeso the only way it could be done is by making an exception for ubuntu-docs08:48
carlosmdke: well, maybe danilo or jtv have a good way to implement both cases ;-)08:48
mdkeok, I'll have to upload them manually for now. Do I have access rights to do that for all languages?08:49
carlosmdke: hmm, you are the owner of the template so I think you are, yes. Let me confirm it...08:51
mdkecarlos: not to worry, I have to run now - I'll give it a try and see! but if you can see a workaround to doing it manually, let me know - there are a lot for the various releases!08:53
carlosmdke: hmm, I think you may not have permissions08:54
carlosmdke: but please, just try it, if it fails, let me know and I will do it manually08:54
mrevellLaunchpad users meeting in #launchpad-meeting now08:59
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BenWheelerHi. Anyone on who's involved in imports?13:52
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iKsHi !16:25
iKsI recently upgraded my bzr repo version for it to support tags, using bzr upgrade16:25
iKsnow I try to push to LP and this is what I get :16:25
iKsbzr: ERROR: Tags not supported by BzrBranch5('bzr+ssh://.../main/'); you may be able to use bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags.16:25
iKswhen I do bzr upgrade [theURL] this is what I get :16:26
iKsbzr: ERROR: The branch format Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1 is already at the most recent format.16:26
iKsAny help ?16:26
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kikoiKs, can you ask in #bzr?17:08
ubotuNew bug: #196173 in launchpad "https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+newmirror should have a comments/whiteboard entry" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19617317:16
ubotuNew bug: #196175 in launchpad "please add a way to triger a probe of _a_ mirror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19617517:21
ubotuNew bug: #196177 in launchpad "please add 'next' and 'previous' buttons to mirror review pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19617717:25
saculis it proper to add compiler directives to Makefile.am when using automake?17:40
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wbradycan anybody help me with question #25435 in launchpad itself?18:00
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synichey folks, what's the best way to keep a "development" build of a package in PPA?  Say a weekly build of the bzr trunk source?18:26
somerville32synic: Write a script :)18:56
synicand just add something like ~devel1 or something to the version?19:00
ubotuNew bug: #196222 in malone "text listing of bug missing related branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19622219:20
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cbx33can't get to ubuntu bugs at the moment19:52
cbx33known issue?19:52
BjornTcbx33: can you try again? i just tried, and could get to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs19:54
cbx33BjornT: the beta site20:16
BjornTcbx33: sorry, i meant https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs20:18
HappyCampCan anyone help with me getting an error: OOPS-788A2131  when attempting to register my PGP key?20:22
BjornTcbx33: although, looking at your oops, there's something wrong there. i'll take a look at it.20:22
matsubaraHappyCamp: I can help you out. 20:23
HappyCampThanks :)20:23
HappyCampI just tried that link, guessing it is a bot, and I don't think I have access20:23
matsubaraHappyCamp: that oops is not available yet. Are you by any chance the Andy Bowman, who sent an email about having issues registering a pgp key, to the lp-users list?20:24
HappyCampNot me.  I am John Villalovos20:24
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matsubaraHappyCamp: what's the key fingerprint you're trying to register?20:25
HappyCampmatsubara, 2F24 AD89 E5D5 C92B 7FE2  F878 7ED5 2D38 1A25 D86C20:26
HappyCampIt's an oldie but a goodie :)20:26
HappyCamppub   1024D/1A25D86C 1997-10-2220:26
HappyCamp      Key fingerprint = 2F24 AD89 E5D5 C92B 7FE2  F878 7ED5 2D38 1A25 D86C20:26
matsubarayou're definitely hitting the same problem as Andy Bowman. Just got your email to the lp-users list20:27
HappyCampGreat, I have company :)20:27
cbx33BjornT: nope, still broken here20:28
HappyCampmatsubara, I wonder if it could be because it is such an old key.20:28
HappyCampOr the type of key it is, I forget which type it is.20:28
HappyCampIt was created with PGP back in 1997.20:28
matsubaraHappyCamp: so, the problem is, when LP tries to import your key, it searches the key server for 0x1a25d86c, but that ID returns more than one key20:29
HappyCampThey foolishly think there will be no key collisions :(20:29
HappyCampAnd unfortunately the other key has been revoked, but not mine.20:30
matsubaraHappyCamp: I filed bug 19625320:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19625320:37
HappyCampThanks :)20:37
ubotuNew bug: #196252 in launchpad "pending-review mirror sites should show as "pending review", not "unofficial" on +mirror/$hostname" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19625220:40
ubotuNew bug: #196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19625320:46
sivangis kiko on vacation or am I just missing his work hours ?21:04
thumpersivang: kiko is in Brazil21:06
ubotuNew bug: #196257 in malone "https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ times out often" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19625721:06
sivangthumper: yeah, I know that, is Sao Carlos IIRC21:06
thumpersivang: although I have a feeling that he is travelling over the next day or so21:06
sivangthumper: do you know where he is travelling to ?21:07
thumpersivang: yes21:07
sivangHe told me that he might visit me again during March21:07
sivangand I'm awaiting him :)21:07
ubotuNew bug: #196258 in launchpad "Distribution mirror can't be reassigned to teams without contact addresses" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19625821:07
synicok, in PPA, I see _i386.deb, _amd64.deb, and _lpia.deb.  What is lpia?21:09
sivangcheers all21:13
mwhudsonsynic: "low power intel architecture" i think: http://www.intel.com/technology/systems/lpia/21:20
mib_j1mj1ghzQuick question: what is the average latency of vcs-import from the time a project is registered?21:57
mptGooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!21:59
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mptNo such thing!22:15
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pochuis it possible to make an advanced search in blueprints, or apply some filters?22:33
mptpochu, not at the moment22:35
pochumpt: I guess that's already reported and milestoned? :-)22:36
mptpochu, reported but not milestoned22:36
* mpt is waiting for the Bugs page to load to find the relevant report22:36
pochuno spec for it either22:37
pochumpt: for small projects it won't be useful I guess, but Ubuntu has 2521 blueprints right now ;)22:38
mptMost of them, if they were bug reports, would be Incomplete :-)22:38
mptbug 19574322:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 195743 in blueprint "blueprint tracker lacks an advanced search" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19574322:39
pochumpt: or won't fix ;)22:39
pochureported yesterday!22:40
pochuI guess everybody is looking at the pending blueprints looking for GSoC ideas ;-)22:40
joejaxxhas anyone checked to see if the people wanting to unscribe from launchpad-users are actually subscribed? or whether it is spam? :P23:40
pochuI think kiko does that23:41
* pochu wonders why there is so many spam on that list23:41
pochuand I guess my rants there contribute to the /unwanted mail/ ;)23:41
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joejaxxpochu: lol23:42
joejaxxwell i was just wondering as there has been an increase of these kinds of emails and i do not think anyone is automatically subscribed to that list23:43
joejaxxie they know how to unsubscribe23:43
joejaxxlol :)23:43
ubotuNew bug: #196305 in launchpad "Answers shows "Edit question" but then gave me a forbidden on submit." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19630523:43
pochuI think there was a message somewhere which asked to subscribe to that list to get CDs from shipit...23:44
pochunot sure though23:44

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