| mpt | Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 00:00 |
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| jml | mpt: helloo | 00:19 |
| mib_u3hwzal9 | Quick question: what is the average latency of vcs-import from the time a project is registered? I'm not in a rush, I'm just curious. | 00:41 |
| Hobbsee | Read the page help to understand how removals work. | 01:40 |
| Hobbsee | where's the page help? | 01:40 |
| mpt | Hobbsee, something actually says "read the page help"? | 01:43 |
| mpt | If it does, please report it as a bug, and add the "navel-gazing" tag | 01:43 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: yeah, ppa package deletion page | 01:44 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: if you file it, it'll probably get fixed quicker, too | 01:44 |
| mpt | Hobbsee, I don't have a PPA, so I can't easily report it | 01:45 |
| mpt | well, I could set up one up locally | 01:45 |
| * mpt tries | 01:45 | |
| Hobbsee | mpt: enable your ppa :) | 01:45 |
| mpt | Sorry, I have a long-standing principle that I never do anything that starts with "Enable" ;-) | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:46 |
| mpt | ah, so now I have a PPA, but it has no packages | 01:50 |
| mpt | and I don't see the "read the page help" text anywhere | 01:50 |
| mpt | nm, found it in the code | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, i guess you'd need to add soem to delete some | 01:52 |
| mpt | I don't have good words for explaining why that's wrong | 01:52 |
| mpt | Alan Cooper expresses something similar when he says "Visually show what; textually show which" | 01:53 |
| mpt | but that's not quite the same thing | 01:53 |
| mpt | This problem is of the same type as when we used to have pages that started off talking about "the form below" | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 01:54 |
| mpt | Another example is those alerts that say "Click 'Yes' to <something>. Click 'No' to <something else>." | 01:55 |
| spiv | mpt: sort of "don't refer to something when you could give it to the user directly"? | 01:55 |
| mpt | yeah | 01:56 |
| mpt | indirection! | 01:56 |
| mpt | That's what it is | 01:56 |
| spiv | mpt: I was just about to use that word :) | 01:56 |
| mpt | thanks spiv | 01:56 |
| ScottK2 | mpt: Based on your comments in Bug #137448 and others, I really appreciate your efforts to make the LP U/I more sensible. | 02:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 137448 in malone "New UI is confusing and counter inuitive for changing affected package" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137448 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) | 02:04 |
| mpt | thanks :-) | 02:04 |
| ubotu | New bug: #195984 in soyuz ""Delete packages" page says "Read the page help"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195984 | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: i forgot to mention that it seems the page help doesn't exist either | 02:11 |
| mpt | aha, so it doesn't | 02:11 |
| sacul | I'm trying to do some work for gnome-do a project on launchpad and I'm having some difficulty with getting it to load in monodeveloop. is this the right place to ask my questions? | 02:33 |
| michalski | yes | 02:33 |
| sacul | well.. the instructions say to use bzr to download the trunk which i have.. then run configure to create the .mds file.. unfortunately there is no configure fiel. | 02:34 |
| michalski | can anyone help him? Im the equivalent of a janitor here.... | 02:35 |
| sacul | :-/ | 02:38 |
| sacul | thanks anyway michalski | 02:39 |
| michalski | no problem sorry | 02:39 |
| michalski | you should post it in launchpad | 02:39 |
| michalski | in the answers section | 02:39 |
| michalski | (https://launchpad.net/) | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | or see gnome-do support | 02:40 |
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| jetsaredim | question: I had 4 binary and 4 source packages in my ppa - i then successfully built two more packages (one hardy, one gutsy) - now my ppa lists 6 source and only 5 binary | 04:57 |
| jetsaredim | why is this? | 04:57 |
| jetsaredim | oop - looks like i'm just impatient - nm | 05:03 |
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| carlos | morning | 08:39 |
| mdke | carlos: hiya. I wanted to check something with you. If i upload a ubuntu-docs package with some amended po files for various languages (with fixes), will those translations take precedence over the ones committed by the tranlator teams so that the next time I download translations, they won't contain the errors which I fixed in my upload? | 08:41 |
| carlos | mdke: only if you upload them directly to each pofile's upload form and select 'user upload' | 08:42 |
| carlos | so you will need to do it one by one | 08:42 |
| mdke | argh | 08:43 |
| mdke | carlos: we have large quantities of broken po files for ubuntu-docs - is there no way it can be done in the package upload? | 08:44 |
| carlos | unfortunately, no, there is no way to do it automatically doing a package upload | 08:44 |
| carlos | if you do it that way | 08:44 |
| carlos | the ui will show a fork from upstream | 08:45 |
| mdke | upstream? | 08:45 |
| carlos | so users will be able to detect them easily and 'revert' those messages to what you uploaded | 08:45 |
| carlos | mdke: sorry, package source code | 08:45 |
| mdke | carlos: is that something that could be fixed or is it a policy? | 08:45 |
| mdke | i mean, could I file a bug about this? | 08:45 |
| mrevell | Launchpad users meeting in #launchpad-meeting in 12 minutes | 08:46 |
| carlos | mdke: it's the way it works. We could think about a way to do it from the template upload form, but I don't see how could we differentiate from a package upload when it should modify translations automatically and when it shouldn't... | 08:46 |
| mdke | carlos: is there something wrong with a policy that says a package upload should always modify translations if the po file changes? | 08:47 |
| carlos | mdke: you can file a bug for anything you want, we will need to discuss it whether we can find a good solution or whether is impossible to fit your needs... | 08:47 |
| mdke | sure, but there's no point me filing a bug if there is a clear policy reason why my needs can't be implemented ;) | 08:47 |
| carlos | mdke: well, that's a problem, yes, because any fix done by Ubuntu translators would be reverted with each package update | 08:47 |
| mdke | carlos: ah, because in most packages po files are included from upstream? | 08:48 |
| carlos | right | 08:48 |
| mdke | I see | 08:48 |
| carlos | ubuntu-doc is just a special case | 08:48 |
| mdke | so the only way it could be done is by making an exception for ubuntu-docs | 08:48 |
| carlos | mdke: well, maybe danilo or jtv have a good way to implement both cases ;-) | 08:48 |
| mdke | ok, I'll have to upload them manually for now. Do I have access rights to do that for all languages? | 08:49 |
| carlos | mdke: hmm, you are the owner of the template so I think you are, yes. Let me confirm it... | 08:51 |
| mdke | carlos: not to worry, I have to run now - I'll give it a try and see! but if you can see a workaround to doing it manually, let me know - there are a lot for the various releases! | 08:53 |
| carlos | mdke: hmm, I think you may not have permissions | 08:54 |
| carlos | mdke: but please, just try it, if it fails, let me know and I will do it manually | 08:54 |
| mrevell | Launchpad users meeting in #launchpad-meeting now | 08:59 |
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| BenWheeler | Hi. Anyone on who's involved in imports? | 13:52 |
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| iKs | Hi ! | 16:25 |
| iKs | I recently upgraded my bzr repo version for it to support tags, using bzr upgrade | 16:25 |
| iKs | now I try to push to LP and this is what I get : | 16:25 |
| iKs | bzr: ERROR: Tags not supported by BzrBranch5('bzr+ssh://.../main/'); you may be able to use bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags. | 16:25 |
| iKs | when I do bzr upgrade [theURL] this is what I get : | 16:26 |
| iKs | bzr: ERROR: The branch format Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1 is already at the most recent format. | 16:26 |
| iKs | Any help ? | 16:26 |
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| kiko | iKs, can you ask in #bzr? | 17:08 |
| ubotu | New bug: #196173 in launchpad "https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+newmirror should have a comments/whiteboard entry" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196173 | 17:16 |
| ubotu | New bug: #196175 in launchpad "please add a way to triger a probe of _a_ mirror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196175 | 17:21 |
| ubotu | New bug: #196177 in launchpad "please add 'next' and 'previous' buttons to mirror review pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196177 | 17:25 |
| sacul | is it proper to add compiler directives to Makefile.am when using automake? | 17:40 |
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| wbrady | can anybody help me with question #25435 in launchpad itself? | 18:00 |
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| synic | hey folks, what's the best way to keep a "development" build of a package in PPA? Say a weekly build of the bzr trunk source? | 18:26 |
| somerville32 | synic: Write a script :) | 18:56 |
| synic | and just add something like ~devel1 or something to the version? | 19:00 |
| ubotu | New bug: #196222 in malone "text listing of bug missing related branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196222 | 19:20 |
| kiko | interesting | 19:21 |
| pete_ | OOPS-788EB100 | 19:51 |
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| cbx33 | can't get to ubuntu bugs at the moment | 19:52 |
| cbx33 | known issue? | 19:52 |
| BjornT | cbx33: can you try again? i just tried, and could get to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs | 19:54 |
| cbx33 | BjornT: the beta site | 20:16 |
| BjornT | cbx33: sorry, i meant https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs | 20:18 |
| HappyCamp | Can anyone help with me getting an error: OOPS-788A2131 when attempting to register my PGP key? | 20:22 |
| ubotu | https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/788A2131 | 20:22 |
| BjornT | cbx33: although, looking at your oops, there's something wrong there. i'll take a look at it. | 20:22 |
| matsubara | HappyCamp: I can help you out. | 20:23 |
| HappyCamp | Thanks :) | 20:23 |
| HappyCamp | I just tried that link, guessing it is a bot, and I don't think I have access | 20:23 |
| matsubara | HappyCamp: that oops is not available yet. Are you by any chance the Andy Bowman, who sent an email about having issues registering a pgp key, to the lp-users list? | 20:24 |
| HappyCamp | Not me. I am John Villalovos | 20:24 |
| HappyCamp | https://launchpad.net/~happycamp | 20:24 |
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| matsubara | HappyCamp: what's the key fingerprint you're trying to register? | 20:25 |
| HappyCamp | matsubara, 2F24 AD89 E5D5 C92B 7FE2 F878 7ED5 2D38 1A25 D86C | 20:26 |
| HappyCamp | It's an oldie but a goodie :) | 20:26 |
| HappyCamp | pub 1024D/1A25D86C 1997-10-22 | 20:26 |
| HappyCamp | Key fingerprint = 2F24 AD89 E5D5 C92B 7FE2 F878 7ED5 2D38 1A25 D86C | 20:26 |
| matsubara | you're definitely hitting the same problem as Andy Bowman. Just got your email to the lp-users list | 20:27 |
| HappyCamp | Great, I have company :) | 20:27 |
| cbx33 | BjornT: nope, still broken here | 20:28 |
| HappyCamp | matsubara, I wonder if it could be because it is such an old key. | 20:28 |
| HappyCamp | Or the type of key it is, I forget which type it is. | 20:28 |
| HappyCamp | It was created with PGP back in 1997. | 20:28 |
| matsubara | HappyCamp: so, the problem is, when LP tries to import your key, it searches the key server for 0x1a25d86c, but that ID returns more than one key | 20:29 |
| HappyCamp | Yep. | 20:29 |
| HappyCamp | They foolishly think there will be no key collisions :( | 20:29 |
| HappyCamp | And unfortunately the other key has been revoked, but not mine. | 20:30 |
| matsubara | HappyCamp: I filed bug 196253 | 20:37 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196253 | 20:37 |
| HappyCamp | Thanks :) | 20:37 |
| ubotu | New bug: #196252 in launchpad "pending-review mirror sites should show as "pending review", not "unofficial" on +mirror/$hostname" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196252 | 20:40 |
| ubotu | New bug: #196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196253 | 20:46 |
| sivang | is kiko on vacation or am I just missing his work hours ? | 21:04 |
| thumper | sivang: kiko is in Brazil | 21:06 |
| ubotu | New bug: #196257 in malone "https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ times out often" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196257 | 21:06 |
| sivang | thumper: yeah, I know that, is Sao Carlos IIRC | 21:06 |
| thumper | sivang: although I have a feeling that he is travelling over the next day or so | 21:06 |
| sivang | thumper: do you know where he is travelling to ? | 21:07 |
| thumper | sivang: yes | 21:07 |
| sivang | He told me that he might visit me again during March | 21:07 |
| sivang | and I'm awaiting him :) | 21:07 |
| ubotu | New bug: #196258 in launchpad "Distribution mirror can't be reassigned to teams without contact addresses" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196258 | 21:07 |
| synic | ok, in PPA, I see _i386.deb, _amd64.deb, and _lpia.deb. What is lpia? | 21:09 |
| sivang | cheers all | 21:13 |
| sivang | laters | 21:13 |
| mwhudson | synic: "low power intel architecture" i think: http://www.intel.com/technology/systems/lpia/ | 21:20 |
| synic | thanks | 21:20 |
| mib_j1mj1ghz | Quick question: what is the average latency of vcs-import from the time a project is registered? | 21:57 |
| mpt | Gooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 21:59 |
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| mpt | No such thing! | 22:15 |
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| pochu | is it possible to make an advanced search in blueprints, or apply some filters? | 22:33 |
| mpt | pochu, not at the moment | 22:35 |
| pochu | mpt: I guess that's already reported and milestoned? :-) | 22:36 |
| mpt | pochu, reported but not milestoned | 22:36 |
| * mpt is waiting for the Bugs page to load to find the relevant report | 22:36 | |
| pochu | no spec for it either | 22:37 |
| pochu | mpt: for small projects it won't be useful I guess, but Ubuntu has 2521 blueprints right now ;) | 22:38 |
| mpt | yyyyyeah | 22:38 |
| mpt | Most of them, if they were bug reports, would be Incomplete :-) | 22:38 |
| mpt | bug 195743 | 22:39 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 195743 in blueprint "blueprint tracker lacks an advanced search" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195743 | 22:39 |
| pochu | mpt: or won't fix ;) | 22:39 |
| pochu | thanks | 22:39 |
| pochu | reported yesterday! | 22:40 |
| pochu | I guess everybody is looking at the pending blueprints looking for GSoC ideas ;-) | 22:40 |
| joejaxx | has anyone checked to see if the people wanting to unscribe from launchpad-users are actually subscribed? or whether it is spam? :P | 23:40 |
| pochu | I think kiko does that | 23:41 |
| * pochu wonders why there is so many spam on that list | 23:41 | |
| pochu | and I guess my rants there contribute to the /unwanted mail/ ;) | 23:41 |
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| joejaxx | pochu: lol | 23:42 |
| joejaxx | well i was just wondering as there has been an increase of these kinds of emails and i do not think anyone is automatically subscribed to that list | 23:43 |
| joejaxx | ie they know how to unsubscribe | 23:43 |
| joejaxx | lol :) | 23:43 |
| ubotu | New bug: #196305 in launchpad "Answers shows "Edit question" but then gave me a forbidden on submit." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196305 | 23:43 |
| pochu | I think there was a message somewhere which asked to subscribe to that list to get CDs from shipit... | 23:44 |
| pochu | not sure though | 23:44 |
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