[00:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[00:19] <jml> mpt: helloo
[00:41] <mib_u3hwzal9> Quick question: what is the average latency of vcs-import from the time a project is registered? I'm not in a rush, I'm just curious.
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Read the page help to understand how removals work.
[01:40] <Hobbsee> where's the page help?
[01:43] <mpt> Hobbsee, something actually says "read the page help"?
[01:43] <mpt> If it does, please report it as a bug, and add the "navel-gazing" tag
[01:44] <Hobbsee> mpt: yeah, ppa package deletion page
[01:44] <Hobbsee> mpt: if you file it, it'll probably get fixed quicker, too
[01:45] <mpt> Hobbsee, I don't have a PPA, so I can't easily report it
[01:45] <mpt> well, I could set up one up locally
[01:45]  * mpt tries
[01:45] <Hobbsee> mpt: enable your ppa :)
[01:46] <mpt> Sorry, I have a long-standing principle that I never do anything that starts with "Enable" ;-)
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:50] <mpt> ah, so now I have a PPA, but it has no packages
[01:50] <mpt> and I don't see the "read the page help" text anywhere
[01:51] <mpt> nm, found it in the code
[01:52] <Hobbsee> yeah, i guess you'd need to add soem to delete some
[01:52] <mpt> I don't have good words for explaining why that's wrong
[01:53] <mpt> Alan Cooper expresses something similar when he says "Visually show what; textually show which"
[01:53] <mpt> but that's not quite the same thing
[01:53] <mpt> This problem is of the same type as when we used to have pages that started off talking about "the form below"
[01:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:55] <mpt> Another example is those alerts that say "Click 'Yes' to <something>. Click 'No' to <something else>."
[01:55] <spiv> mpt: sort of "don't refer to something when you could give it to the user directly"?
[01:56] <mpt> yeah
[01:56] <mpt> indirection!
[01:56] <mpt> That's what it is
[01:56] <spiv> mpt: I was just about to use that word :)
[01:56] <mpt> thanks spiv
[02:04] <ScottK2> mpt: Based on your comments in Bug #137448 and others, I really appreciate your efforts to make the LP U/I more sensible.
[02:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137448 in malone "New UI is confusing and counter inuitive for changing affected package" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137448 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[02:04] <mpt> thanks :-)
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #195984 in soyuz ""Delete packages" page says "Read the page help"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195984
[02:11] <Hobbsee> mpt: i forgot to mention that it seems the page help doesn't exist either
[02:11] <mpt> aha, so it doesn't
[02:33] <sacul> I'm trying to do some work for gnome-do a project on launchpad and I'm having some difficulty with getting it to load in monodeveloop.  is this the right place to ask my questions?
[02:33] <michalski> yes
[02:34] <sacul> well.. the instructions say to use bzr to download the trunk which i have.. then run configure to create the .mds file.. unfortunately there is no configure fiel.
[02:35] <michalski> can anyone help him? Im the equivalent of a janitor here....
[02:38] <sacul> :-/
[02:39] <sacul> thanks anyway michalski
[02:39] <michalski> no problem sorry
[02:39] <michalski> you should post it in launchpad
[02:39] <michalski> in the answers section
[02:40] <michalski> (https://launchpad.net/)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> or see gnome-do support
[04:57] <jetsaredim> question: I had 4 binary and 4 source packages in my ppa - i then successfully built two more packages (one hardy, one gutsy) - now my ppa lists 6 source and only 5 binary
[04:57] <jetsaredim> why is this?
[05:03] <jetsaredim> oop - looks like i'm just impatient - nm
[08:39] <carlos> morning
[08:41] <mdke> carlos: hiya. I wanted to check something with you. If i upload a ubuntu-docs package with some amended po files for various languages (with fixes), will those translations take precedence over the ones committed by the tranlator teams so that the next time I download translations, they won't contain the errors which I fixed in my upload?
[08:42] <carlos> mdke: only if you upload them directly to each pofile's upload form and select 'user upload'
[08:42] <carlos> so you will need to do it one by one
[08:43] <mdke> argh
[08:44] <mdke> carlos: we have large quantities of broken po files for ubuntu-docs - is there no way it can be done in the package upload?
[08:44] <carlos> unfortunately, no, there is no way to do it automatically doing a package upload
[08:44] <carlos> if you do it that way
[08:45] <carlos> the ui will show a fork from upstream
[08:45] <mdke> upstream?
[08:45] <carlos> so users will be able to detect them easily and 'revert' those messages to what you uploaded
[08:45] <carlos> mdke: sorry, package source code
[08:45] <mdke> carlos: is that something that could be fixed or is it a policy?
[08:45] <mdke> i mean, could I file a bug about this?
[08:46] <mrevell> Launchpad users meeting in #launchpad-meeting in 12 minutes
[08:46] <carlos> mdke: it's the way it works. We could think about a way to do it from the template upload form, but I don't see how could we differentiate from a package upload when it should modify translations automatically and when it shouldn't...
[08:47] <mdke> carlos: is there something wrong with a policy that says a package upload should always modify translations if the po file changes?
[08:47] <carlos> mdke: you can file a bug for anything you want, we will need to discuss it whether we can find a good solution or whether is impossible to fit your needs...
[08:47] <mdke> sure, but there's no point me filing a bug if there is a clear policy reason why my needs can't be implemented ;)
[08:47] <carlos> mdke: well, that's a problem, yes, because any fix done by Ubuntu translators would be reverted with each package update
[08:48] <mdke> carlos: ah, because in most packages po files are included from upstream?
[08:48] <carlos> right
[08:48] <mdke> I see
[08:48] <carlos> ubuntu-doc is just a special case
[08:48] <mdke> so the only way it could be done is by making an exception for ubuntu-docs
[08:48] <carlos> mdke: well, maybe danilo or jtv have a good way to implement both cases ;-)
[08:49] <mdke> ok, I'll have to upload them manually for now. Do I have access rights to do that for all languages?
[08:51] <carlos> mdke: hmm, you are the owner of the template so I think you are, yes. Let me confirm it...
[08:53] <mdke> carlos: not to worry, I have to run now - I'll give it a try and see! but if you can see a workaround to doing it manually, let me know - there are a lot for the various releases!
[08:54] <carlos> mdke: hmm, I think you may not have permissions
[08:54] <carlos> mdke: but please, just try it, if it fails, let me know and I will do it manually
[08:59] <mrevell> Launchpad users meeting in #launchpad-meeting now
[13:52] <BenWheeler> Hi. Anyone on who's involved in imports?
[16:25] <iKs> Hi !
[16:25] <iKs> I recently upgraded my bzr repo version for it to support tags, using bzr upgrade
[16:25] <iKs> now I try to push to LP and this is what I get :
[16:25] <iKs> bzr: ERROR: Tags not supported by BzrBranch5('bzr+ssh://.../main/'); you may be able to use bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags.
[16:26] <iKs> when I do bzr upgrade [theURL] this is what I get :
[16:26] <iKs> bzr: ERROR: The branch format Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1 is already at the most recent format.
[16:26] <iKs> Any help ?
[17:08] <kiko> iKs, can you ask in #bzr?
[17:16] <ubotu> New bug: #196173 in launchpad "https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+newmirror should have a comments/whiteboard entry" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196173
[17:21] <ubotu> New bug: #196175 in launchpad "please add a way to triger a probe of _a_ mirror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196175
[17:25] <ubotu> New bug: #196177 in launchpad "please add 'next' and 'previous' buttons to mirror review pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196177
[17:40] <sacul> is it proper to add compiler directives to Makefile.am when using automake?
[18:00] <wbrady> can anybody help me with question #25435 in launchpad itself?
[18:26] <synic> hey folks, what's the best way to keep a "development" build of a package in PPA?  Say a weekly build of the bzr trunk source?
[18:56] <somerville32> synic: Write a script :)
[19:00] <synic> and just add something like ~devel1 or something to the version?
[19:20] <ubotu> New bug: #196222 in malone "text listing of bug missing related branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196222
[19:21] <kiko> interesting
[19:51] <pete_> OOPS-788EB100
[19:52] <cbx33> can't get to ubuntu bugs at the moment
[19:52] <cbx33> known issue?
[19:54] <BjornT> cbx33: can you try again? i just tried, and could get to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[20:16] <cbx33> BjornT: the beta site
[20:18] <BjornT> cbx33: sorry, i meant https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[20:22] <HappyCamp> Can anyone help with me getting an error: OOPS-788A2131  when attempting to register my PGP key?
[20:22] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/788A2131
[20:22] <BjornT> cbx33: although, looking at your oops, there's something wrong there. i'll take a look at it.
[20:23] <matsubara> HappyCamp: I can help you out. 
[20:23] <HappyCamp> Thanks :)
[20:23] <HappyCamp> I just tried that link, guessing it is a bot, and I don't think I have access
[20:24] <matsubara> HappyCamp: that oops is not available yet. Are you by any chance the Andy Bowman, who sent an email about having issues registering a pgp key, to the lp-users list?
[20:24] <HappyCamp> Not me.  I am John Villalovos
[20:24] <HappyCamp> https://launchpad.net/~happycamp
[20:25] <matsubara> HappyCamp: what's the key fingerprint you're trying to register?
[20:26] <HappyCamp> matsubara, 2F24 AD89 E5D5 C92B 7FE2  F878 7ED5 2D38 1A25 D86C
[20:26] <HappyCamp> It's an oldie but a goodie :)
[20:26] <HappyCamp> pub   1024D/1A25D86C 1997-10-22
[20:26] <HappyCamp>       Key fingerprint = 2F24 AD89 E5D5 C92B 7FE2  F878 7ED5 2D38 1A25 D86C
[20:27] <matsubara> you're definitely hitting the same problem as Andy Bowman. Just got your email to the lp-users list
[20:27] <HappyCamp> Great, I have company :)
[20:28] <cbx33> BjornT: nope, still broken here
[20:28] <HappyCamp> matsubara, I wonder if it could be because it is such an old key.
[20:28] <HappyCamp> Or the type of key it is, I forget which type it is.
[20:28] <HappyCamp> It was created with PGP back in 1997.
[20:29] <matsubara> HappyCamp: so, the problem is, when LP tries to import your key, it searches the key server for 0x1a25d86c, but that ID returns more than one key
[20:29] <HappyCamp> Yep.
[20:29] <HappyCamp> They foolishly think there will be no key collisions :(
[20:30] <HappyCamp> And unfortunately the other key has been revoked, but not mine.
[20:37] <matsubara> HappyCamp: I filed bug 196253
[20:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196253
[20:37] <HappyCamp> Thanks :)
[20:40] <ubotu> New bug: #196252 in launchpad "pending-review mirror sites should show as "pending review", not "unofficial" on +mirror/$hostname" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196252
[20:46] <ubotu> New bug: #196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196253
[21:04] <sivang> is kiko on vacation or am I just missing his work hours ?
[21:06] <thumper> sivang: kiko is in Brazil
[21:06] <ubotu> New bug: #196257 in malone "https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ times out often" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196257
[21:06] <sivang> thumper: yeah, I know that, is Sao Carlos IIRC
[21:06] <thumper> sivang: although I have a feeling that he is travelling over the next day or so
[21:07] <sivang> thumper: do you know where he is travelling to ?
[21:07] <thumper> sivang: yes
[21:07] <sivang> He told me that he might visit me again during March
[21:07] <sivang> and I'm awaiting him :)
[21:07] <ubotu> New bug: #196258 in launchpad "Distribution mirror can't be reassigned to teams without contact addresses" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196258
[21:09] <synic> ok, in PPA, I see _i386.deb, _amd64.deb, and _lpia.deb.  What is lpia?
[21:13] <sivang> cheers all
[21:13] <sivang> laters
[21:20] <mwhudson> synic: "low power intel architecture" i think: http://www.intel.com/technology/systems/lpia/
[21:20] <synic> thanks
[21:57] <mib_j1mj1ghz> Quick question: what is the average latency of vcs-import from the time a project is registered?
[21:59] <mpt> Gooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[22:15] <mpt> No such thing!
[22:33] <pochu> is it possible to make an advanced search in blueprints, or apply some filters?
[22:35] <mpt> pochu, not at the moment
[22:36] <pochu> mpt: I guess that's already reported and milestoned? :-)
[22:36] <mpt> pochu, reported but not milestoned
[22:36]  * mpt is waiting for the Bugs page to load to find the relevant report
[22:37] <pochu> no spec for it either
[22:38] <pochu> mpt: for small projects it won't be useful I guess, but Ubuntu has 2521 blueprints right now ;)
[22:38] <mpt> yyyyyeah
[22:38] <mpt> Most of them, if they were bug reports, would be Incomplete :-)
[22:39] <mpt> bug 195743
[22:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195743 in blueprint "blueprint tracker lacks an advanced search" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195743
[22:39] <pochu> mpt: or won't fix ;)
[22:39] <pochu> thanks
[22:40] <pochu> reported yesterday!
[22:40] <pochu> I guess everybody is looking at the pending blueprints looking for GSoC ideas ;-)
[23:40] <joejaxx> has anyone checked to see if the people wanting to unscribe from launchpad-users are actually subscribed? or whether it is spam? :P
[23:41] <pochu> I think kiko does that
[23:41]  * pochu wonders why there is so many spam on that list
[23:41] <pochu> and I guess my rants there contribute to the /unwanted mail/ ;)
[23:42] <joejaxx> pochu: lol
[23:43] <joejaxx> well i was just wondering as there has been an increase of these kinds of emails and i do not think anyone is automatically subscribed to that list
[23:43] <joejaxx> ie they know how to unsubscribe
[23:43] <joejaxx> lol :)
[23:43] <ubotu> New bug: #196305 in launchpad "Answers shows "Edit question" but then gave me a forbidden on submit." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196305
[23:44] <pochu> I think there was a message somewhere which asked to subscribe to that list to get CDs from shipit...
[23:44] <pochu> not sure though