werneckI'm building a custom fully-automated, but I can't find what's the d-i attribute to avoid it from using the network to install packages... is there an option to make it use the cdrom only, or maybe a hack to set it as a mirror?00:27
werneckI have "d-i apt-setup/use_mirror boolean false" set, but still not working00:28
werneckcjwatson: do you know if that kludge is still worth using or is this issue fixed? http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2006/12/08/%23ubuntu-installer.txt00:54
twbcjwatson: I'm having trouble with hardy alpha-3's casper writing resolv.conf.  In 23networking, /domain/ matches no lines in /netboot.config01:26
twb(I forget, are you a casper hacker?)01:26
werneckcjwatson: well... it works... but still feel a bit hackish01:29
TheMusotwb: Have you tried alpha 5?01:32
twbIt wasn't around last time I looked.01:32
TheMusoAlpha 5 was released last week.01:32
twbI might actually be using a4 now, lemme check01:33
Chorcasooo, anyone awake in here?02:56
TheMusoYes I am, but I am not one of the primary maintainers of the installer.03:15
Chorcaah. Well, would you be up for a question?03:15
TheMusoOk, I'll see if I can help.03:16
ChorcaIt's a pretty odd one. Basically, my CD boots properly, but as soon as the kernel begins to boot from the CD (the usplash with the bar that slides back and forth) it starts toggling my floppy drive.03:17
ChorcaIt tries to access 19 times, and then dumps me to a BusyBox prompt.03:17
ChorcaIf I put a floppy in the drive, it tries to access the floppy for about 10 seconds, then proceeds to boot normally. If I disable the floppy drive in the BIOS, I run into the same BusyBox prompt.03:19
TheMusoChorca: Well thats easy so far as working out why the floppy drive is being accessed. FOr some reason, the initial boot stages of the CD cannot find your CD-ROM drive. What version of Ubuntu is this by the way?03:22
ChorcaHardy Alpha 503:23
Chorcathis also happened in Alpha 403:23
TheMusoAh ok. Does Ubuntu gutsy boot ok?03:23
ChorcaI haven't tried.. I think i have a CD around here, let me get it real quick.03:24
TheMusoOk. Did you try hardy alpha 3 by any chance?03:24
ChorcaNah, i started in on alpha 403:25
TheMusoHm ok.03:25
TheMusoI would try Ubuntu gutsy first, so we know whether there is a regression.03:25
ChorcaI've got a gutsy CD here, booting it now.03:25
ChorcaGutsy also toggles the drive, though slower and about half as many times, but then proceeds to boot normally from the CD.03:28
TheMusoOk, sounds like your hardware is not being recognised properly. Have you run any Ubuntu on this system at all int he past?03:28
TheMusoin the past even03:28
ChorcaWell I used to run Dapper I think, it's been awhile. It's an old system I put back into service recently.03:29
ChorcaGigabyte GA-7NNXP board and AMD Athlon 2800+ processor03:29
Chorcaheh, though it appears gutsy doesn't like the nvidia card and DVI monitor, there's no video out once it's booted.03:31
TheMusooh sorry, didn't read what you said... Right then we do have a regression somewhere.03:32
TheMusoSince I don't know how the CD boots that well, I suggest you file a bug in launchpad against the casper package, describing what you ahve tried, and I'll see about getting someone to look at it who knows more about how the bits work.03:33
Chorcaonly other things on it are a Silicon Image SATA 150 controller, and an ITE IDE RID.03:33
Chorcaokay. I started a thread in the Hardy forum as well on it.03:33
TheMusoRight, well the best place to get developers to see it is filing a bug.03:33
Chorcaalright, i'll start a bug up onnit.03:34
TheMusoChorca: Thanks.03:34
Chorcaok, call me silly, I can't seem to find a place in casper for bugs. Or should I just put a general bug in.03:39
TheMusoChorca: Go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bugs click report a bug, and you will find the package field already filled in for you.03:39
Chorcaooh there we go03:40
Chorcahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/195993 fiiiiled03:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 195993 in casper "Install CD dumps to busybox after toggling floppy" [Undecided,New]03:45
Chorcaell oh ell03:46
TheMusoChorca: Thanks.03:46
ChorcaThanksthanks for the help, too.03:53
TheMusoChorca: Welcome.04:08
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saispocjwatson: ping ?09:37
saispoi move the debian installer on a a new machine which is connected to a SAN and i have somme mounts on this and i get some error such as an iso still building but the lockfile exists, etc... have you an idea ?09:38
TheMusocjwatson: You were right, dmraid45 did make it into the kernel, I just wans't looking in the usual module locations. :)11:16
xivulonHave a few questions:13:32
xivulon1) where do I find preseeding values for supported keyboard variant codes?13:32
xivulon2) What do you think about 192116?13:33
cjwatson/usr/share/console-setup/KeyboardNames.pl, right-hand side of each element of the %variants hash13:33
cjwatsonthey originate in xkb-data13:33
xivulon3) Edubuntu devs suggested to support the addon ISO in wubi, what would be a good way to that? apt-cdrom was mentioned13:34
cjwatson2) I don't see why users shouldn't just be re-educated. Mounting in /media/host is IMO wrong and likely to create problems.13:34
xivulon3b) can I use apt-cdrom with an ISO? at what stage shall I call it? early command and success command seem my only options13:34
cjwatson3) the only thing I think you can do with umenu on the Edubuntu add-on CD is to recommend that they install Ubuntu first13:35
xivulonisn't apt-cdrom a viable route then?13:35
cjwatsonno, you still have to install Ubuntu first13:36
cjwatsonno way round that13:36
xivulonyeah the idea would be to download both the Ubuntu ISO + addon ISO13:36
xivulonboot off the Ubuntu ISO, adding the addon ISO as repo13:36
xivulonthen installing edubuntu-desktop13:36
cjwatsonerr. I don't really know13:37
xivulon"adding the addon ISO as repo" is the part I am not sure how to do (from within preseeding)13:37
cjwatsonI'd be surprised if there was all that much call for it in practice13:37
xivulonI would agree with that13:37
cjwatsonyou can give apt-cdrom an arbitrary mount point with -d though, and loop-mount something there first13:37
xivulondoes it have to be on fstab?13:38
cjwatsonI don't think so provided that you also use -m)13:38
xivulonthe next issue then is how to call apt-cdrom from within a preseed file13:39
xivulonI assume early command is too soon and success command is doable but not ideal13:39
xivulondon't think I have other hooks available13:39
cjwatsonearly_command is too soon, yes13:40
CIA-24ubiquity: cjwatson * r2506 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/filteredcommand.py):13:41
CIA-24ubiquity: * Print a traceback as well as the exception message if13:41
CIA-24ubiquity:  DebconfFilter.process_line raises an exception.13:41
cjwatsonTBH I don't think it's worth the necessary contortions. People can just install Ubuntu and then insert the Edubuntu add-on CD later on.13:41
cjwatsonwe aren't going to support direct installation of the add-on CD via any other method13:42
xivulonI liked the idea, as suggested by stgraber, also because it would be an avenue to add support to other distros now only available via the alternate CD13:43
xivulonbut that of course can be postponed to hardy+113:44
xivulonI'd assume that is your preferred option, hence I'll remove edubuntu from wubi13:46
cjwatsonI think so, yes, but run it by the Edubuntu guys with rationale13:46
xivulonwill do a pastebin of the above13:46
CIA-24ubiquity: cjwatson * r2507 ubiquity/ (6 files in 3 dirs):13:48
CIA-24ubiquity: * Enable debconf's escape capability for communications between the filter13:48
CIA-24ubiquity:  and the underlying frontend by default. Split arguments to filtered13:48
CIA-24ubiquity:  commands into only as many arguments as are required by the command.13:48
CIA-24ubiquity:  This should fix autopartitioning in certain locales (LP: #177623).13:48
cjwatsonevand: another pair of eyes on r2507 wouldn't hurt. If you encounter weird problems with debconf filtering then it's probably down to that, one way or another. However, it seems to be working better for me so far ...13:48
cjwatsonevand: the main symptom was that double spaces weren't always surviving filtering, because they got eaten by argument splitting; it turned out that the most straightforward way to fix that involved making filter<->frontend communication always use the escape capability, but that involved some care to make sure that we didn't blat escape on for confmodules that aren't expecting it13:53
CIA-24apt-setup: cjwatson * r125 apt-setup/ (debian/changelog finish-install.apt-cdrom-setup):14:11
CIA-24apt-setup: * Don't bother running 'apt-get update' after disabling cdrom entries in14:11
CIA-24apt-setup:  sources.list; it can be slow and is unnecessary.14:11
CIA-24apt-setup: cjwatson * r126 apt-setup/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.31ubuntu614:13
xivuloncjwatson thanks for the answers ^14:19
evandcjwatson: ok, I'll take a look14:22
evandcjwatson: do you think splitting failure_command into failure_command and automation_failure_command (user input needed) falls under UI freeze?14:37
evandhrm, actually nevermind.  That's not that big a change and should only take me a few minutes today.14:38
xivulonre edubuntu umenu, my understanding is that there is no stand-alone edubuntu ISO so there will be no "edubuntu umenu" either14:39
xivulonso no UI changes there (we can leave the artwork in anyway)14:40
cjwatsonevand: no, I don't think so15:15
CIA-24ubiquity: cjwatson * r2508 ubiquity/ubiquity/debconffilter.py: don't re-escape command arguments sent by confmodules with the escape capability set17:04
evandcjwatson: 2507 obviously looks reasonable, but I'll keep an eye out for side effects in new bug reports.17:04
evandah, I spoke too soon apparently :)17:04
cjwatsonheh, just broke the summary page a bit17:05
CIA-24ubiquity: evand * r2509 ubiquity/ (6 files in 2 dirs):17:24
CIA-24ubiquity: * Add ubiquity/automation_failure_command debconf question which is called17:24
CIA-24ubiquity:  whenever user interaction is required. This includes non-fatal error17:24
CIA-24ubiquity:  dialogs. ubiquity/failure_command is now only called when the installer17:24
CIA-24ubiquity:  crashes.17:24
saispocjwatson: why shebang in shell script are /bin/sh ? it some use some bash functions such as pushd, etc...17:36
cjwatsonwhich particular shell scripts?17:40
cjwatsonif a script uses bashisms but is #! /bin/sh then that is unambiguously a bug and should be filed as such17:40
cjwatsonbut I know of no installer shell scripts that do that17:41
cjwatsonbdmurray: weirdly, I can't find the fix for 89528 (or rather I can, but it predates the version the reporter is using), so I don't feel entirely comfortable closing it. Instead I've just unassigned myself from it, so if he still doesn't reply then the Launchpad Janitor will close it eventually.18:05
cjwatsonsuperm1: have you seen bug 196199 before? looks slightly different from the previous similar ones; I don't know if it's the same as 149935 and 15002918:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 196199 in ubiquity "Issue during Mythbuntu install from live cd 07.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19619918:14
bdmurraycjwatson: okay, thanks.  Additionally, I was doing some testing of the minimum memory requirements for Hardy and put notes in bug 105682.  What more should we do?18:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 105682 in casper "[gutsy] Tribe 5 amd64 needs more than 256MB of memory" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10568218:18
cjwatsonbdmurray: (a) hardy-targetted task on debian-installer to adjust help text (b) would also be useful to have figures for the boot mode that goes straight into the installer18:33
cjwatsonpossibly even more useful18:33
cjwatson512MB is huge as minimum requirements go. I'd be a lot happier with 384MB as a minimum requirement, and happier still if 256MB could be enough for install-only mode.18:34
bdmurrayright, I got 256MB to work with only-ubiquity yesterday w/ swap and evand said it didn't work w/o swap for only-ubiquity18:36
cjwatsoni.e. creating a swap partition during installation?18:36
bdmurray13:47 < evand> bdmurray: ugh.  ubiquity fails in 256M under those conditions  as well (no swap before or during install).18:38
cjwatsonI think it's fine to require one to be created during installation18:38
evandah, if that's reasonable then 256MB is adequate for an install in only-ubiquity18:53
evandxivulon: wubi and umenu do not work with the kde4 kubuntu CDs: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/19:10
cjwatsonevand: it's similar to the requirements that d-i has traditionally used, at least20:02
evandcjwatson: fair enough, I just didn't want someone to come back and say, "it didn't work in this configuration despite what the requirements told me", but if you're confident in it then I am as well.20:04
CIA-24ubiquity: cjwatson * r2510 ubiquity/ubiquity/components/mythbuntu_apply.py: bug number typo20:32
xivulonevand what is the issue exactly?20:47
xivulonwe also have another problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4416099&postcount=8520:47
xivulonbasically sometime device.map and grub4dos do not agree on the disk ordering20:48
xivulonI'll need some help with that!20:48
evandwe have this problem in Linux as well.  As I understand it, there's no easy solution.20:49
xivulonah ok then I am happier :P20:50
evandregarding the Kubuntu KDE4 issue, it's a matter of the .disk/info string being different, I believe20:50
evandKubuntu-KDE4 8.04 "Hardy Heron" - Alpha amd64 (20080227.2)20:51
xivulonwas about to ask that20:51
xivulondo you have a Ubuntu one handy too?20:51
xivulonah I know20:51
xivulonthe - in the name!20:51
xivulonI use "-" as a delimiter together with whitespace20:52
xivulonwill fix that20:52
xivulonbug 19626220:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 196262 in wubi "Wrong parsing of kubuntu .disk/info" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19626220:55
xivulonre device.map, I hope that the upstream fix will involve device.map side of things as opposed to fix grub booting code20:58
xivulonotherwise we will have to port the changes to grub4dos20:58
xivulonis there a bug for that by the way? Did a quick search but I cannot find it.21:03
evandbug 849721:13
evandargh, he left21:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 8497 in grub "grub guessed BIOS disk order incorrectly" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849721:13
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